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Speaker 2: Exki, how's me? Do you mean Jennifer Affleck?

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Speaker 1: Okay, good catch, I mean Jennifer Affleck. Twenty years after

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Speaker 1: By the way, I would totally worship at a church where

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Speaker 1: And just like your patron, Saint Elizabeth. Of the many

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Speaker 1: many things that Jennifer is known for, relationships might be

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Speaker 1: Jalo has been half of some of the world's most

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Speaker 1: famous power couples.

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Speaker 2: If it's a power couple and she's the only constant.

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Speaker 1: Then she brings all the power.

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Speaker 2: You said it. Love jail out there just making these

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Speaker 1: It's time, Joseph, let's dive into one of the most

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Speaker 1: talked about women when it comes to love. And it

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Speaker 1: may not be exactly what you expect, but yes, we

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Speaker 1: do promise you plenty of cheese men.

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, and this tea is piping hot.

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Speaker 1: But before we get to that, there's also another kind

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Speaker 1: of story here about love, and not just romantic love.

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Speaker 1: This story is about the kind of love you have

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Speaker 1: to find for yourself and the kind of love that

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Speaker 2: I believe the children are the future. Teach them well

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Speaker 1: Right, Yes, that's right, that kind of love. And today

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Speaker 1: it is all about amore, the ups, the downs, the

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Speaker 1: world with romances, the courtships, the breakups. Yes, those two.

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Speaker 1: Today on becoming an Icon, he Diddy.

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Speaker 1: Okay, We've got a lot of amends to talk about,

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Speaker 1: so we better get to it. Oh and six engagements

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Speaker 1: and four marriages. I'm your host, Lilianavasquez.

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Speaker 2: And I'm Joseph Carrio and this is Becoming an Icon.

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Speaker 1: A weekly podcast where we give you the rundown on

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Speaker 1: how today's most famous LATINX stars have shaped pop culture.

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Speaker 2: And given the world some extras at all.

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Speaker 1: Sit back and get comfortable.

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Speaker 2: Because we are.

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Speaker 1: Going in the only way we know how.

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Speaker 3: With Buena Visi bunasriesas, and a lot of opinions as

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Speaker 3: we relive their greatest achievements on our journey to find

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Speaker 1: We have to start the episode by saying this. Jennifer

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Speaker 1: is a hopeless romantic. In her twenty eleven book True Love,

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Speaker 1: serious relationships. Each relationship was different, and each relationship had

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Speaker 1: In each relationship, I thought my childhood fairy tale was

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Speaker 2: Wow, would you consider yourself a hopeless romantic?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely not. No, I am not. I am such a

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Speaker 1: So I'm much more thoughtful and pragmatic. So I'm the

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Speaker 1: opposite of a hopeless romantic. But for her, she obviously

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Speaker 1: believes in multiple soulmates. Do you believe in a soulmate

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Speaker 2: I believe that love is not something that's tangible that

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Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying. I do think your point

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Speaker 1: His name was David Krups, and they met while they

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Speaker 2: Get this.

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Speaker 1: He took her to prom and she wore addressed that

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Speaker 2: And number two, huh, that's cute.

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Speaker 1: Jennifer was a good kid until she met.

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Speaker 1: But here's the thing. This wasn't just high school though.

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Speaker 1: When she heard the news, Jennifer called David's mom on

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Speaker 1: Soon, Jennifer's career took off and she was in movie

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Speaker 2: While filming in Miami, Jennifer met Ohanni Noah No, not

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Speaker 1: So much so that at the rap party for Selena,

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Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing. None of that would have mattered anyway,

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Speaker 2: Exactly him coming to propose to her.

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Speaker 1: She wasn't j low, but she had just made a

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Speaker 2: Which she can go back and learn all about that

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Speaker 1: But the next love of her life, well, he had

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Speaker 2: He did he yo. In the late nineties, there were

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Speaker 1: Well, Joseph, it worked because soon Jennifer and Cruz were

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Speaker 1: But one faithful night in a Manhattan night club is

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Speaker 1: They start arguing and yelling, then gunshots ring out around

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Speaker 1: Everyone is arrested, yes, including Jennifer in cuffs, and not

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Speaker 1: It was her real life. No woman wants to live

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Speaker 1: that throwback post not the greatest time in her life, buddy.

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Speaker 1: What she was not here for it. But one thing

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Speaker 2: His mama don't care. I don't care, Jodan, the pussycats

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Speaker 1: Jud was a dancer. The relationship moved really fast, safe

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Speaker 2: You totally did ten seconds? Who benefer. The couple met

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Speaker 1: Well, she feels it a lot. She's a hopeless romantic

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Speaker 1: They were everywhere. The media frenzy was non stop. Every

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Speaker 2: But let's keep it one hundred. It's not like they

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Speaker 1: The media frenzy reached new heights. They were Hollywood's it couple.

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Speaker 2: The pair went off to film a new Kevin Smith

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Speaker 1: Don't feel bad for them. If they wanted to live

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Speaker 1: But not for long. It's two thousand and four. Jennifer

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Speaker 1: So the last time we saw them together, Mark was

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Speaker 2: in our music episode and while here at it, leave

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Speaker 2: a five star rating and share it. Come on, do

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Speaker 1: Back to Jenny. That was in nineteen ninety nine, and

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Speaker 2: But the attraction was there. I knew he was into her.

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Speaker 1: I know now, Remember how different Jennifer was to p

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Speaker 2: Exkiows me, he's leaving Miss Universe for Jennifer Lopez? Am

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Speaker 2: So seriously, is my Google broken? Women just be falling

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Speaker 1: Get married in a quiet ceremony in Beverly Hills, so quiet,

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Speaker 1: He produces and co writes her first Spanish language album,

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Speaker 1: When she held the babies in her arm for the

443
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,159
Speaker 1: first time, she says, I reached out and pulled them

444
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,640
Speaker 1: to my chest and all I remember was kissing them

445
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 1: and saying I love you. It was instinctual, it was pure,

446
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 1: It was unconditional. This was love, a love I had

447
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 1: never felt before. It empowered me in a way that

448
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:24,639
Speaker 1: I could have never imagined.

449
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:29,640
Speaker 2: Wow wow, wow wow. How do you think from back

450
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 2: in our days when we were we were hanging and

451
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 2: partying and now, like, how do you think you get

452
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,639
Speaker 2: up at that club tearing it up with mister Preble.

453
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 2: How has motherhood changed you now?

454
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,399
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm a completely different person. Not to

455
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 1: say that parts of me don't still exist, It's just

456
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,400
Speaker 1: they have had to be reworked in order for them

457
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 1: to make sense in my life. In who I am today.

458
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 1: There's a morning period that moms go through because there

459
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,439
Speaker 1: is a loss like your old identity, Yeah, your old identity.

460
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 1: So it's important to mourn that. It's also important to

461
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,679
Speaker 1: not fight the new identity. And that's hard, especially for

462
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 1: somebody who becomes a mother later in life, like Jennifer

463
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 1: did and like I did. So that's for sure one

464
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 1: of the reasons or one of the ways that mother

465
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: had changed me. The other thing has just made me

466
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 1: so much more vulnerable. I'm kind of a hard ass.

467
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 1: Most people that know me, not the big I'm not

468
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,880
Speaker 1: a big crier. I don't like emote a lot, and

469
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 1: Santi will literally nuzzle in my neck and I'll fucking

470
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:34,160
Speaker 1: start crying and I'm like, I love you or by

471
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 1: the way, or the other thing happens too, which this

472
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 1: is something people don't say. Or he'll give me a

473
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: dirty look or a disapproving glance, and it crushes me

474
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 1: because it makes me feel I've fallen short as his mother,

475
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,159
Speaker 1: or I'm not doing enough, or I've disappointed him. So

476
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 1: both sides of that exist, and I'm sure Jennifer felt

477
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 1: a lot of this, and I can't even imagine going

478
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 1: through the birth of twins in the public eye way

479
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 1: that she did.

480
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 2: Sadly, after almost seven years, Mark and Jennifer's marriage isault

481
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,439
Speaker 2: mister x Lopez out the house.

482
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 1: Looking back on their relationship, Mark was, according to Jennifer,

483
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 1: a man who came and saved me at my lowest moment.

484
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 1: But the two were different. They had different habits and

485
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,880
Speaker 1: different ways of communicating, and soon it just wasn't working out.

486
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:40,640
Speaker 2: Luckily, I guess they parted on good terms in twenty ten.

487
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: And thankfully, motherly love brought Jlo to a life changing realization.

488
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 1: As she put it, children don't do what you tell

489
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 1: them to do. They do what they see you do.

490
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 2: That's deep and also very true.

491
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: So Jennifer started doing the work so she could set

492
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: the example she wanted her children to see, and that

493
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 1: worked started with her.

494
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 2: She said.

495
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,679
Speaker 1: She went back to every relationship from high school and

496
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: noticed she had never stopped to consider how special her

497
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,439
Speaker 1: love was. She says, you deserve a love that is

498
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 1: as pure and special as the one you are giving.

499
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: My love has value. I have value. This was groundbreaking

500
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 1: to Jennifer. In her book True Love, Jennifer says, this

501
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,479
Speaker 1: I was finally recognizing a really unhealthy pattern that had

502
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: entrapped me for so many years. I was always looking

503
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 1: for the other person to tell me I was great,

504
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: so I could feel good about myself. I lived for that.

505
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: I wanted their appreciation even worse if they didn't give

506
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 1: it to me, I tried even harder to prove to

507
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: them that I was worthy. I would keep trying to

508
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 1: fix things and make them better, searching for that validation.

509
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: I always thought the reason it wasn't working had to

510
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 1: be because I was doing something wrong. So no matter

511
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: how I was treated or what the other person did

512
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: in our relationship, all I cared about was getting his approval.

513
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: In fact, that would oftentimes become the glue that kept

514
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: these relationships together. Ultimately, love I wasn't giving myself I

515
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: was trying to get from others.

516
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 2: Wow, Wow, bitch? Was that Oprah? Or was that Jay?

517
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 2: Excuse me?

518
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: I am did we just go to JLO Church?

519
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 2: Preach? Bitch? Pre eh?

520
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: I need to monogram them on a T shirt or

521
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: a series of T shirts.

522
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 2: I think it would be a dress. It would be long,

523
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 2: be a blank be a blanket, cozy blanket. Wow. But

524
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 2: I feel like when you reach a certain age, I

525
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 2: am older I've been celebrating my twenty seventh birthday for

526
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,479
Speaker 2: like thirteen years. But you learn that love is just

527
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 2: you have to search for it inside yourself. And I

528
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 2: love that the kids, her children, is what brought her

529
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 2: to learn to love herself.

530
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's big moments in life that teach

531
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: you that lesson. For some people it's children. For some people,

532
00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: it's an incredible discovery or experience and is that they

533
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: have when they're traveling. For some it's faith. It can

534
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: be anything, right, it's something that really questions the way

535
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 1: you exist in the world in your own space.

536
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 2: That happened for me during COVID.

537
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: Well, and isn't that so powerful that you just decided

538
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: that you wanted to be different and then you chose differently?

539
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 2: You know what? It was about digging deep And also

540
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 2: it's one of those things what Jayla had said where

541
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 2: going back to the relationships and thinking more about her

542
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 2: her role, And that's what I was looking for when

543
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 2: I was looking for a change. It was just my

544
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 2: new role as who I am now in this present

545
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 2: day and just kind of going through my past and

546
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 2: not reliving it but re understanding it in my present mindset.

547
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: That makes perfect sense, And anyone who's been to therapy

548
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: knows the real work starts when you stop finding blame

549
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: in the other person and being like you did this

550
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: and you made me feel this, and instead flipping it

551
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: around and saying I feel this way, I'm responsible for this.

552
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: This is how I feel. When you make that switch

553
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: from projecting and blaming someone else to really looking inside,

554
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: that's when, like, the real growth happens. And this was

555
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: so serious growth. By the way, why have I not

556
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: read this book cover to cover? I'm ordering it right

557
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: now on one hundred. But heartbreak can't keep a good

558
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: j Lo down. After Mark, Jenny starts dating Passper Smart,

559
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: another backup dancer.

560
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 2: Let me just say right now, this girl has a type.

561
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: Honey, we all do, Joseph, what's yours?

562
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 2: I'm not even gonna go I'm not doing this.

563
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: Anyway. Then she falls for Alex Rodriguez and the pair.

564
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the pair date for a while. He's

565
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 2: her Instagram husband and number one fangirl, but Alex can't

566
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 2: stop fielding other bases. He is a cheetah and day

567
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 2: break up. Did I miss anything? Great benefit two point

568
00:31:58,480 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 2: zho Let's go.

569
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: Okay, fine, everything Joseph said, and yes, it is now

570
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 1: time for Bennefer two point zero, so you know all

571
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: about what Jennifer has been doing since her and Ben

572
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: broke up.

573
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 2: Ben put on some tight leather pants and started doing

574
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 2: flips and kicks.

575
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: And oh, yeah, that's right, you made.

576
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 2: Daredevil, Daredevil.

577
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: I was just dreaming, bitch Daredevil. Joseph is in two

578
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: thousand and four movie starring Ben Jon Favreau and Jennifer Gardner.

579
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: Oh she's cute, she is, and Ben thought so too,

580
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: and soon they were a pair, and shortly after they

581
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: were married and had three children. While with Jennifer Garner, Yes,

582
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: Ben one another Oscar, this one for Best Picture, and

583
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: he starred as a very forgettable batman.

584
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 2: He also went to rehab a couple more times.

585
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: Sadly that is true. Ben's habits and ways toured his

586
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: marriage with Garner, and soon they were no more. After Garner,

587
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: Ben was spotted dating, but most of the relationships fizzled

588
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: out quickly.

589
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 2: Rest in peace, the Anna the Adamas cut out. You

590
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 2: will always Pete famous.

591
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: Heh tea. Let me just say it again, head tea.

592
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 2: If you know you know.

593
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: Then in early twenty twenty one, after singing God Bless America.

594
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: At Joe Biden's inauguration, Jalo flew to the dr to

595
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: continue filming her movie Shotgun Wedding. It was there that

596
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: she received an email from Ben, and soon the two

597
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: were in constant communication.

598
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 2: Wait an email? Really? Was he stuck back in the

599
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 2: two thousands? He thinks he's Tom Hanks. Anyways, then when

600
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 2: a Rod's busted, a us couldn't stay away from the

601
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 2: Southern charms Madison Lacroix and while Jlo said f you

602
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 2: and took the conversation from email to real life.

603
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: By spring twenty twenty one, there were sightings of Ben

604
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: and Jlo in Montana, Miami, and soon it was official.

605
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: Bennifer was back.

606
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 2: How crazy is this?

607
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,320
Speaker 1: Oh so good? I remember the photos when he was

608
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: driving her in the suv. They landed in Montana and

609
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: were like, Montana does Jelo even like the mountains? Have

610
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: you ever seen this woman in a snowsuit?

611
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 2: I'm sure she packed some badass snowsuits? Dead ass well,

612
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 2: and like usual, Jennifer Waste died no time, and in

613
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 2: early twenty twenty two, the two went to Vegas and

614
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 2: got married.

615
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I have to pause you there because the

616
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: fact that these two went to Las Vegas, Babe to

617
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: get married. Listen, it was just a formality because then,

618
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 1: in a celebration more fitting for two superstars, they hosted

619
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: a swanky affair months later at Ben's place in Savannah

620
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: with their closest friends and of course their children.

621
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 2: Oh, I was so mad I couldn't go.

622
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 1: H Well, okay, I'm sorry. Not only did you get

623
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: an invite, but then you declined.

624
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 2: You know, I book up really really quickly, and my sculpting,

625
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 2: I'm like sculpting, sculpting, sculpting follow up sculpted by Joseph.

626
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 2: Thank you.

627
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: My number one wish for all of our listeners is

628
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 1: that they find the same confidence that Joseph has in

629
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: his pinky finger. Okay, that's my wish for all of you.

630
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: So j Loo tells Rolling Stone that she's happy now,

631
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:38,240
Speaker 1: happier than I've ever been at any time in my life.

632
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: And Jennifer credits that to knowing herself more and she's

633
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:46,479
Speaker 1: pretty sure this time it's forever. When asked if round

634
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: two could lead to another painful split, j Lo says,

635
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: I don't think we would have got back together if

636
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: we thought that was where it was headed. We feel

637
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: like what we found again is so much more important

638
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,720
Speaker 1: and how we protect that and how we live our lives.

639
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: What to share what not to share is the balance

640
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 1: that we have now, the benefit of experience and the

641
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 1: wisdom that we gained over the years.

642
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 2: So much growth, Thank you therapy.

643
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: Doesn't it just feel well? Do you think it feels different?

644
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,399
Speaker 2: I one hundred percent think it feels different. I will

645
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,240
Speaker 2: tell you this just from what I am actually learning

646
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 2: from Jlo in the book and the stuff that she says.

647
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 2: It's like she's just in a different place where she

648
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 2: is not in love with love, she is in love

649
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:35,439
Speaker 2: with herself, and so it's totally different. And Ben being

650
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,760
Speaker 2: having gone through what he went through with Jennifer Garner

651
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 2: and his kids and he's just grown totally too, so

652
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 2: it is different. They're both in completely different places in

653
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 2: their life. I also think that social media has changed

654
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,439
Speaker 2: in itself, and if Ben hasn't been on social media

655
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 2: as actively as Jlo. Right, Jlo and her team know

656
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 2: exactly what needs to be put out there. They have

657
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 2: this down in a rhythm because it's now been ten

658
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 2: years or plus of social media and fast exposure and

659
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 2: a click and it's posted. So everything has changed for

660
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 2: them as well.

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Speaker 1: While we think that social media gives us so much

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Speaker 1: accessibility into celebrities lives, I can tell you this as

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Speaker 1: an entertainment journalist. Celebrities and the people around them actually

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Speaker 1: control what you see as a fan as a consumer

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Speaker 1: of social media. So what you think is you're getting

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Speaker 1: this purely authentic, accessible, organic experience with a celebrity. You're not.

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Speaker 1: It's incredibly micromanaged, and not everybody, but when you are

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Speaker 1: someone like Jennifer or Been, everything has a purpose and

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Speaker 1: nothing is posted without a reason or without something being

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Speaker 1: controlling the narrative. And that's what social media has done

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Speaker 1: for celebrities that use it the right way, and that's

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Speaker 1: a powerful tool. We've talked about the looks.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, bitch, you mean the lurk.

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Speaker 1: The songs and the hooks.

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Speaker 2: Don't be fooled by the rocks that I got.

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Speaker 1: I'm still I'm still Jenny from the bluff.

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Speaker 2: Oh the acting, doesn't money make you horny?

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Speaker 1: Excuse me?

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Speaker 2: It's from hustlers.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, right, And today he.

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Speaker 2: Tackles love hmmm, so what's left?

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Speaker 1: I think that's it. There are so many sides to her,

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Speaker 1: but when it comes to Jlo, I think you could

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Speaker 1: easily do ten episodes and you would barely scratch the surface.

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Speaker 1: She's just that iconic. On the next Becoming an Icon,

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Speaker 1: Jaylo may have played a stripper and hustlers, but our

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Speaker 1: next icon was the real deal stripper, reality star, a

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Speaker 1: record breaking Grammy winning artist. There is no one quite

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Speaker 1: like her. Nope, not at all, and that's why she's

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Speaker 1: so iconic. Next up, La Mamasita, herself a Cardi b Am.

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Speaker 1: Becoming an Icon is presented by Sonoo and Iheart's Michael

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Speaker 1: Duda podcast Network. Listen to Becoming an Icon on the

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