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Speaker 1: Kind of unique. He was kind of a dual role

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Speaker 1: player for you, Steve, Steve a blimp. We're not even

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Speaker 1: into strated bear of normalcy here. It's another week, the

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Speaker 1: Like sands through the hour glass? So are the days

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Speaker 1: of our one Bills Live. Welcome to one Bills Live.

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Speaker 1: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you here for an abbreviated week.

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Speaker 1: We'll explain that in a little bit. We're leaving. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's the explanation. It's the down time of year, and

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Speaker 1: get a little time off ourselves before we ramp it

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Speaker 1: back up for training camp, preseason and regular season. So

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Speaker 1: we'll be here Monday and Tuesday this week, and then

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Speaker 1: we will be on hiatus until July sixth, and that's

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Speaker 1: NHL Draft coming up, So Duffer and Marty will be

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Speaker 1: NHL Draft July seventh and eighth. So Steve and I

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Speaker 1: getting a little downtime after Tuesday show tomorrow, so just

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Speaker 1: wanted to make you aware of that. Yeah, a little

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Speaker 1: bit of it has to do with the NHL Draft.

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Speaker 1: Marty and Duffer will be covering that extensively from Montreal,

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Speaker 1: which is good stuff. And plus, I mean, Savers got

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Speaker 1: people would be like locked in from January. Savers have

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Speaker 1: I'm listen. I've it's been a while since you've had

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Speaker 1: And you know, I'll tell you what when they play

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Speaker 1: opening night of the absolute neat season of all time.

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Speaker 1: I mean it was like the worst part and we

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Speaker 1: That's all there is to it. I'm something I don't know, right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, man, my city, my team, and they have

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Speaker 1: forever you thought. Listen, I've lived through a seventeen year drought.

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Speaker 1: This thing with the Saves, Yeah, this is nothing. Was

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Speaker 1: they're vermin. I know they're beautiful and all that, yegit eighty,

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Speaker 1: You know, dear. They're not brave, They're sneaky, and I

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Speaker 1: better than others, come back quicker. I mean, Adrian Peterson

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Speaker 1: came back from an ACL in six months and played

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Speaker 1: without missing a day, didn't have a setback nothing. Some

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Speaker 1: and every case is different. And I don't know what

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Speaker 1: Chase Young is doing. He's a he's a big player.

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Speaker 1: Who is He's not in his second contract, right, he's

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Speaker 1: still no still I believe he's still on his rookie deal. Um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is his third given the environment in which he

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Speaker 1: was thrust as a rookie and a young player in

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Speaker 1: picking the draft. In the for the Washington Commanders, I

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Speaker 1: could see a scenario where he says, you know what,

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna I'm just I'll come back when I'm

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Speaker 1: ready to come back. I don't want to you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean? Yeah, I don't know that. It going

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Speaker 1: to work in Washington for the Washington Commanders is something

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Speaker 1: that you can't wait to do every morning. Sometimes coming

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Speaker 1: back from ACL injuries is tougher for the bigger guys. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because number one, they're carrying more weight. It's more weight

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Speaker 1: to change direction. Not only that they got additional weight

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Speaker 1: leaning on them for the majority of the game. So

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Speaker 1: you're not just can't Chase Young's not just going to

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Speaker 1: be carrying his own two hundred and fifty five pounds.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna have three hundred pound lineman leaning on his

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Speaker 1: frame as well, putting torque on that knee and all

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Speaker 1: of that stuff. I don't want to I'm not trying

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Speaker 1: to make any allusions to whether or not Chase Young

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Speaker 1: wants to play or doesn't want to play. I'm saying this,

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Speaker 1: that's the kind of thing. Even his attitude and how

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Speaker 1: fast he wants to come back and how enticed he

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Speaker 1: is to come back, all that goes into the mix

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Speaker 1: of how fast a guy does come back. I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying that's the case with Chase Young. Could be completely physical,

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Speaker 1: he could be working really hard, and he probably is

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Speaker 1: working really hard. But there's a lot that goes into

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Speaker 1: what makes Chase Young different than Tradavious White. Not only

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Speaker 1: the size of the two guys in the positions they play,

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Speaker 1: but you know who they are and how their rehabs go,

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Speaker 1: in the situation they've got in the offseason, the facility

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Speaker 1: they've got to work out in, the doctors they've got there,

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Speaker 1: there's a million things in the middle of this that

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Speaker 1: make Chase Young different than Tradavious White. But the fact

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Speaker 1: that they got their injury two weeks and weeks and

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Speaker 1: a part on an injury that we're talking to like

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Speaker 1: sometimes as a year long injury, it's pretty significant and

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Speaker 1: it's kind of worth keeping an eye on. In the

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Speaker 1: grands game of things. It's like a week and a

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Speaker 1: half because the Bills played on Thursday in week twelve,

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Speaker 1: right first, they've played right out of the box Thanksgiving,

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Speaker 1: so it really only separated by a week and a half.

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Speaker 1: And look, I'm not trying to cast any doubt on

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Speaker 1: Tredevious White's rehab. You want you want to tell me

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Speaker 1: who I've got faith in to come back from a

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Speaker 1: major injury and be the same player. Tradevius White's probably

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Speaker 1: one of the first two names coming out of my

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Speaker 1: mouth on this roster. But when I see other guys

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Speaker 1: highly can Asian athletes, you know, supremely motivated people just

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Speaker 1: like Tradevious White suffering what appeared to be setbacks, it

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Speaker 1: puts it sends my radar up, like we really we've

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Speaker 1: been told everything's on schedule, but details have been few

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Speaker 1: and far between, and I understand why. I'm not trying to,

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Speaker 1: you know, unearth any state secrets or anything, but I

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Speaker 1: think it's just there's a genuine interest on the part

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Speaker 1: of the fan base the media, Hey, like, how's he doing?

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Speaker 1: Like I think there's a there's a great affinity for

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Speaker 1: Tray and the player that he's been for the Bills,

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Speaker 1: and people genuinely want to know that he's gonna be okay.

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Speaker 1: And I think everybody's expecting he's going to make a

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Speaker 1: full recovery be in the same player he always was,

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Speaker 1: if not better. But when you see other guys in

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Speaker 1: the league who are just as highly conditioned athletes as

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Speaker 1: he is, and suddenly things look different, their outlook looks

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Speaker 1: dramatically different, and their injuries only a couple of weeks

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Speaker 1: away from Trays, it's like, oh, well, I hope everything's

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Speaker 1: still gonna be all right with Tree, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean. It kind of can't throws doubt out into

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Speaker 1: the ether there. We have not at any point been

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Speaker 1: given any idea, any information that says Trey will will

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Speaker 1: be or will not be or whatever they say. He's

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Speaker 1: on schedule right what that schedule is is a little

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Speaker 1: bit vague. Certainly we can presume that they mean ready

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00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: for training camp, but that doesn't necessarily mean that's correct.

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Speaker 1: I know this too, you and I. I mean we've

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Speaker 1: said it on the show before. You see the guy

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Speaker 1: around here all the time. He's working, working hard, methodically,

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Speaker 1: and he looks great. I mean now at this point

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Speaker 1: he's kind of got his weight back. His leg looks fine.

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Speaker 1: Mean you can't. You couldn't tell standing there looking at

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Speaker 1: him which leg was hurt. But I know he can tell, right,

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Speaker 1: So he's got a ways to go. He's not. He's

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Speaker 1: not one hundred percent. If he was, we would hear

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Speaker 1: about it, and and he would have been out there, you know,

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Speaker 1: practicing and all that. And I tell this all all

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Speaker 1: my friends. I had a knee operations myself. I never

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Speaker 1: had an ACL but I had a ton of knee

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Speaker 1: procedures done minor and a little bit less than minor.

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Speaker 1: So the one mantra they always gave me when I

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Speaker 1: did it, and I found it to be very true.

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Speaker 1: Whenever you have a surgery on your knee or whatever

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Speaker 1: and you're trying to rehab coming back from an injury

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Speaker 1: that's pretty significant. They say that the easier you take

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Speaker 1: and the slower you take it in the beginning, the

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Speaker 1: fewer setbacks you have late. So if you give it

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Speaker 1: hard to do, it's the hardest part about the whole thing.

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Speaker 1: For me, a guy like me and others I've heard

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Speaker 1: about you. You feel so much better week to week.

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Speaker 1: You want to go out and run, You want to

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Speaker 1: go out and play and run and do and jump,

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Speaker 1: jump and nothing. But you know, they kind of sit

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Speaker 1: on you to keep you from doing that for for

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Speaker 1: what feels like a really uncomfortably long time because they

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Speaker 1: know that once your body gets that healing in, even

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Speaker 1: though it's not under duress, it's healed up, it's solid,

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Speaker 1: and it's not going anywhere, then when you do start training,

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Speaker 1: it's ready for it. Yeah, So you don't as soon

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Speaker 1: as you feel good, you don't start pushing it one

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Speaker 1: hundred and ten percent. You wait until it can stand it.

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Speaker 1: And so that's when you guys start. When you see

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Speaker 1: guys start doing physical stuff, even then, it's like they

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Speaker 1: are pro athletes almost to a man, are so impatient

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Speaker 1: to get back on the field. They have setbacks because

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Speaker 1: of their desire to work hard. You know, the harder

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Speaker 1: you work, the better it is. That's not always the

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Speaker 1: case with an injury obviously, so it's hard to get

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Speaker 1: the players to do that. So I think that's kind

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Speaker 1: of where you see a lot of these guys where

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Speaker 1: they don't take it easy enough early on because of that,

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Speaker 1: and they have setbacks later on because they note there

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Speaker 1: was nobody there to tell them, no, you're not you're

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Speaker 1: not doing leg extensions. They you're not doing this, You're

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Speaker 1: not doing that, You're not doing that. You're doing this

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Speaker 1: little thing here, this little tedious, little teeny tiny exercise

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Speaker 1: that's mind numbingly frustrating and easy. So it's it's a

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Speaker 1: battle that every guy fights. And when you hear about

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Speaker 1: guys not having any setbacks, it's because they listen to

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Speaker 1: that advice that is NFL News and notes. Twitter poll

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Speaker 1: for you today, how long will the Bills keep their

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00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: championship caliber window open? The choices are there for you

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Speaker 1: on the tweet sheet. Add one bills live. Choices are

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Speaker 1: A one to two years, B two to four years,

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Speaker 1: or see as long as Josh is the quarterback. So

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Speaker 1: feel free to chime in Add one bills live on

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Speaker 1: the Twitter poll, or you can give us a call

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Speaker 1: eight oh three, oh five fifty one eighty eight five

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Speaker 1: fifty two, five fifty Let us know what you think.

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Speaker 1: Taking a break here when we come back, your phone

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Speaker 1: calls and your comments on the tweet sheet. Next here

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Speaker 1: on one Bills Live, presented by Colloid of Health, It's

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Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills Radio. All right, welcome back to one Bills Live.

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Speaker 1: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you, and I want to

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Speaker 1: get your thoughts on how long you think the Bills

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Speaker 1: will be able to keep their championship caliber window open.

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Speaker 1: I think most would agree that the Bills were playing

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Speaker 1: the best football of any team in the league once

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00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: the playoffs hit last year, But an unfortunate ending in

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Speaker 1: Kansas City, probably in the eyes of Bills fans, prematurely

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Speaker 1: ended their postseason run. So back at it again this year.

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Speaker 1: But how many more years are they gonna be able

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Speaker 1: to say, well, we're still We're still gonna be right

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Speaker 1: in the thick of this thing. So we ask you

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Speaker 1: how long would the Bills keep their championship caliber window open?

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Speaker 1: Choices are there for you at one Bills Live. On

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Speaker 1: the Twitter poll eight oh three h five fifteen the

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Speaker 1: number to get on board get an open line for you,

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Speaker 1: So let us know we're gonna lead off on the

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Speaker 1: tweet sheet today, brought to you by Corrigan Moving Systems.

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Speaker 1: Dinah leads us off today and says it kind of

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Speaker 1: depends on how the caps adjusted and how wages increase

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Speaker 1: for all players. Josh is a big part of the equation.

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Speaker 1: But one man is not a team. You need several

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Speaker 1: key players, a solid core, and decent players for all

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Speaker 1: the other positions, which is most definitely true. There's no

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Speaker 1: debating that. So dynam makes a valid point. Yeah, we've

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Speaker 1: seen great, great quarterbacks keep teams in contention, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, you've got to have some guys to get

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Speaker 1: to the next level and have and contend for a

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl playoff teams. If you've got a great quarterback, yes,

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Speaker 1: you can certainly sing through the regular season enough times

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Speaker 1: to get in the playoffs and maybe put something together.

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Speaker 1: But if you want to have a championship caliber team,

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Speaker 1: you need more than that. Yeah, but you do need

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Speaker 1: that as well. Let's go to the phones at eight

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Speaker 1: oh three five fifty one eight eight five fifty two

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Speaker 1: five fifty open line for you there. If you want

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Speaker 1: to chime in on this and we go to Sylvia

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Speaker 1: in cheek Dwaga. What do you have for as Sylvia? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: hi Christmas, Steve it. This has nothing to do with football.

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Speaker 1: But I heard your problem with deer and I have

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Speaker 1: a book, The Hints, and it says, if deer are

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Speaker 1: getting to your flower guard and throw a few mothballs

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Speaker 1: on the ground, dear hate the smell. Am Okay, all right,

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Speaker 1: I'll have to give that a shot. I did buy

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Speaker 1: some Dear repellent spray and that seems to be working.

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Speaker 1: But I appreciate I appreciate the suggestion, um mothballs. It's interesting.

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Speaker 1: She mentioned that my grandmother loved mothballs. She had him

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Speaker 1: in every closet in her house. So you walk in

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Speaker 1: that house, it's like a slap in the face. I

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Speaker 1: could do without that slap in the face. That's good though. Yeah, mothballs,

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Speaker 1: I know, yeah, dear the dear thing. They're particularly sensitive

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Speaker 1: to the odors. Like that's what the dear repellent you

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Speaker 1: spray that on the stuff. Problem is, you know, you

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Speaker 1: gotta do it, You gotta remember to do it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and it probably wears off. You know what rainfalls, right,

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Speaker 1: and you know what it always reminds you to do

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Speaker 1: it again. The deer back is gone again. You gotta

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Speaker 1: forgot to be pre emptive, forgot to be pre emptive.

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Speaker 1: That's the problem with that stuff. It's user error, right.

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Speaker 1: How long will the Bills keep their championship caliber window open?

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Speaker 1: Back to the tweet sheet, and Dave says, as long

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Speaker 1: as Bean is the GM, Well, we know what Bean's

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Speaker 1: philosophy is, which is to be a perennial contender. Don't

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Speaker 1: necessarily mortgage the future to win everything right now, make

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Speaker 1: necessary moves if you believe it's gonna put you over

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Speaker 1: the top, but not at the expense of staying at

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Speaker 1: the top as best as possible. And that's kind of

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00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 1: been his mantras. And for the most part, you know,

638
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 1: playoffs in four of the last five years. Obviously the

639
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: coaching has a lot to do with that too, as

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00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: well as the players on the field. But I think

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00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: Bean and McDermot are in lockstep as to how to

642
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: best keep this roster strong. Yeah, those two guys work

643
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: really well together, and I think Brandon would acknowledge and

644
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 1: I think Sean would acknowledge as well, the crucial role

645
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: each one has. Sean has created a culture that players

646
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: from around the league find really attractive. He gets the

647
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: most out of his players. The players develop and get

648
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 1: better when they're in this building, and that's that is

649
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 1: Sean and his staff one hundred percent. Brandon, on the

650
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 1: other hand, has a real ability to scour all over

651
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 1: the NFL and bring in replacement pieces that were that

652
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 1: are replacing players that are important to the club. One

653
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: year you can come in and contribute to the Buffalo

654
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: Bills and be great, and then the next player you're

655
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 1: playing someplace else. But because of Sean's ability to assimilate

656
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: a team get them together, you can change out a

657
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: bigger portion of your roster for really players you've got

658
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 1: to kind of depend on. You can do that to

659
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:45,320
Speaker 1: a larger extent every year and still stay competitive because

660
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: Brandon being picks them right and Sean has the culture

661
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,320
Speaker 1: that includes them quicker, and they get up to speed quicker,

662
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 1: and they're acclimated quicker, and they become part of the

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00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: team quicker, and that keeps you competitive long term, right.

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Speaker 1: And I think with Josh in place, you're thinking, sure,

665
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,720
Speaker 1: he's gonna be the quarterback for probably the next ten years.

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Speaker 1: The sense I get from being as he wants to

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00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: be a perennial contender for all ten of those years.

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00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,359
Speaker 1: And also this this one year deals and the fact

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00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: these guys come in and they're gone or they're they're

670
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: here and they stay and then they're gone, you know that.

671
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: And there's other guys that are washed out, you know,

672
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 1: washed through the roster for one year or whatever. It

673
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: keeps them financially stable. You get a one year deal,

674
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: it's like it's off the books again. You got that

675
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 1: money to spend again. And even Josh addressed it, you

676
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:34,720
Speaker 1: know now in his fifth year he said it's flying

677
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: by yea, but he also said, I'm also getting exposed

678
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: to more of the business side of this sport, and

679
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: it's hard to take. He's finally experiencing that turnover on

680
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 1: a roster that inevitably happens in this league, and it

681
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: might happen more often than it ever has because of

682
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: free agency and other circumstances cap the money the players

683
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 1: are making, etc. Etc. So, you know, he sees people

684
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: like Feliciano and Beasley go out the door, and those

685
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 1: guys were instrumental parts of this team becoming a playoff

686
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:12,399
Speaker 1: caliber team and now a championship caliber team. So it's

687
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 1: hard to stomach sometimes because you build relationships with your

688
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 1: teammates and as we've said, it's a tight knit group,

689
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: but you want to be a perennial contender, you got

690
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 1: to make some hard decisions sometimes. Yeah, And I think

691
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 1: one of the things about it with this window that

692
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,399
Speaker 1: we talk about is that one of the things that's

693
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 1: kind of fun to look at is this was a

694
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 1: playoff team in two seventeen, all the way back then.

695
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:39,720
Speaker 1: When Tyrod broke the drought and they go to Jacksonville,

696
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: they are able to be competitive with a much different

697
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 1: roster year over year. They've certainly they've had a top

698
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: five maybe and a number one defense, top three defense,

699
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: number one defense overall through this thing. But there's no question,

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00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: like particularly even last year and twenty twenty, the last

701
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 1: two season, and it's an offense driven team and the

702
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 1: defense has done well, no question. But this offense is

703
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: what drives the team and scores points and wins games

704
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: a lot with playmaking. In twenty seventeen, the defense was

705
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 1: kind of the driver because they were getting turnover. They

706
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: were turning out turnover. It's like nobody's business, so that

707
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: the fact that they have been able to as a

708
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 1: coaching staff and as an organization to win with a

709
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 1: little bit of a different identity than what they had

710
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: year over year. And that doesn't mean it's vastly different,

711
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: but it's a little different year to year spells good

712
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: things for them going forward because they they're not afraid

713
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 1: to lean on some other players the next year that

714
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 1: they didn't have last year, or say goodbye to some

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00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: players that they were really crucial that came in this year.

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Speaker 1: They can do it with a different identity as a team,

717
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,760
Speaker 1: and that's that's big I think for a coaching staff

718
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: to be able to do that. Jack on the tweet

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00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: sheet says, I hope as long as Josh is the quarterback.

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00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 1: In turn of how long will the Bill to be

721
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 1: a championship caliber team? But in the salary cap era,

722
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: we all know the windows can close rapidly. Although with

723
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,760
Speaker 1: the young talent in the pipeline and continued strong drafts,

724
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 1: three to four years is very believable. And I think

725
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 1: while you draft well and the Bills have done that

726
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: for the most part, there are still foundational pieces of

727
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: this team that you know in three or four years

728
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,479
Speaker 1: are not going to be here. Jordan Poyer and Micah

729
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 1: Hyde will probably no longer be on this roster in

730
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: three or four years. Are there replacements just as good?

731
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Speaker 1: You're hoping they're even better, But that's a big ask

732
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,240
Speaker 1: and there are no guarantees. Yeah, but there may. People

733
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 1: take to schemes and they don't have to draft those

734
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: guys either. They can't go out and get them. Where

735
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 1: they got Micah Hyde and Jordan Boy, they have some

736
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: in the pipeline now. They got Josh Thomas who's undrafted.

737
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: They've got Jakwon Johnson it was a sixth round draft choice,

738
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Speaker 1: and they got Tamar Hamlin it was the seventh round draft.

739
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Speaker 1: So there's every safety. There's every safety that's on every

740
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: other team too, right, who's younger? And well that's how

741
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 1: they found Poyer and Hide exactly Um, same thing. Um,

742
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 1: they'll poach him if they have to. They will look

743
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: for particularly critical positions that they have. And then the

744
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 1: only reason I say I think Sean McDermott thinks the

745
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,320
Speaker 1: safety position is critical is because that's the first guy

746
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,240
Speaker 1: they signed. When he got the job, it was poorer

747
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 1: and Hide and everybody's like safeties really right, And he's

748
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 1: like I don't know really, and we were all like, Okay,

749
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 1: that's not really that sexy, and then you know they

750
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 1: turn out to be these pillars of the franchise for

751
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: five years and you got one. It is all pro

752
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: and they're the best tandem in save in football, and

753
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 1: they make all the difference in the world. They're number

754
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,760
Speaker 1: one defense. It goes on and on, number one against

755
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: the pass right. I mean, he goes on and on

756
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 1: and on. So I wouldn't be surprised if they do

757
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 1: it again, if they can that exact same way. When

758
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 1: Poor Year and Hide have come and gone, break time

759
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 1: for us here more of your thoughts on the tweet

760
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: sheet and on the phone line at eight o five

761
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: fifty open line for you there. We want to remind

762
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 1: you this conversation is going to continue in the second

763
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: hour of our show, when former front office executive for

764
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: the Eagles and Browns Joe Banner joins us to talk

765
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,840
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766
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: the most successful in the league. More coming your way

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00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: I discussing the championship window for the Bills and how

780
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: long they can keep it open. Choices are there for

781
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 1: you on the Twitter poll Add one Bills Live. You

782
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: let us know where you weigh in on that and

783
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: we'll check in on the poll. I believe leading was

784
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: Choice C. As long as Josh is the quarterback, we

785
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 1: were anticipating might be a runaway winner here. But I

786
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 1: think realistically top of the league good two to four

787
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 1: years I think is realistic. I think there's when you

788
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 1: get out two to four years, there's a lot of

789
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: unknowns out there, right and That's why I think that's

790
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:55,439
Speaker 1: a safe bet to vote that way. Yeah, it's as

791
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 1: long as Josh the QB. You feel like everything else

792
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: is replaceable anyway, And with one good draft you can

793
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 1: be right back in the saddle, one good free agent turn,

794
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: you can be right back in the saddle. Josh's contract

795
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,479
Speaker 1: he is gonna kick in, but the cap is gonna

796
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:14,359
Speaker 1: go up significantly after what twenty twenty three right anticipated

797
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 1: to Yeah, twenty twenty four, the new TV money kicks

798
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: in and the CAP's gonna jump, and so his cap

799
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: will be a smaller percentage of the overall. But until

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00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:26,399
Speaker 1: that happens, they should be lined up pretty well contractually

801
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: with all their key stars. Yeah, and we entered this

802
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: all this season the couple of question marks Tremaine Edmonds,

803
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 1: Dawson Knox is going to come up for grabs at Oliver,

804
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: Devin Singletary. Some of these guys are gonna come up

805
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: for new contracts. And you know, as we've been saying,

806
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: the Bills have been, I think surprisingly shockingly amazingly willing

807
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 1: to say goodbye to good players who have really contributed.

808
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: So none of those guys should feel like, hey, I

809
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: got it, I'll be all right. Um, the Bills are

810
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 1: gonna make all those guys offers because they like him

811
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 1: and because that's the way they do business. But they

812
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 1: will also have those guys say, listen, if you think

813
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 1: you can get more, you know, bless your heart, go ahead.

814
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,439
Speaker 1: And that's something that the Bills have done in their

815
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: culture and has really resonated with players around the league. Um,

816
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 1: they'll give you an offer, but if you want to

817
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,399
Speaker 1: go out and jump on on the free agent train,

818
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: we're all for you. Oh yeah, because he can get more.

819
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 1: Right now, Some guys have said, you know what, I

820
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: love it here, this is my home. I'll take a little.

821
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:39,839
Speaker 1: It's a life changer anyway. That right, it's a life

822
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: changer anyway, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna take it.

823
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:46,399
Speaker 1: And other players have signed extensions and restructures and all

824
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: that so that they don't ever go back on Mitch

825
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: Morris hide. All these guys have done that. So there

826
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: you have it. A Tradavious White signed his deal. He

827
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: didn't push it, you know, they had you know, as

828
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 1: soon as he was ready, they signed him and away

829
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: they went. So there are a lot of examples of

830
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: guys coming back and signing a deal because they really

831
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: liked what happened to them while they were here. You

832
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 1: can bet that that will probably continue to a certain extent.

833
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: Jeremy on the tweet sheet says, as long as we

834
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Speaker 1: have a healthy Josh and competent depth on the roster,

835
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: I believe the window will always be open. Do I

836
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: think we will be a deep playoff winner every season

837
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: for twenty years, No, But the roster composition being builds,

838
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 1: I think every year has potential. Yeah, I mean, I

839
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 1: think they'll be in it. I just don't know that

840
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 1: they'll be at the tippy top of the mountain as

841
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:35,879
Speaker 1: many people believe they were at the end of last

842
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:39,359
Speaker 1: season and as many people anticipate they will be this season. Right,

843
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:44,760
Speaker 1: It's nice to feel. I think where we're all feeling

844
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: is euphoria. Yeah, And I don't football going into another

845
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:54,879
Speaker 1: drought seems like such a remote possibility. With Brandon being

846
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: as Sean McDermott as your head coach and general manage,

847
00:46:57,560 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 1: those guys give you a chance to get in the

848
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 1: tournament every single year, and some years, like this year,

849
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 1: it looks like you're the fate. You're in to the

850
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 1: one seed, right, I mean, and last year too, finishing

851
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,479
Speaker 1: them the way they finished. So it seems as though

852
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 1: you're always going to have a chance at getting in

853
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: to see if you can catch light even if you're

854
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 1: it's a down year talent wise or statistics wise. You

855
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 1: always feel like with this coaching staff, you feel like

856
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: you can catch lightning in a bottle a little bit.

857
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 1: So I think Being and McDermott are as big a

858
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 1: part of the equation as Josh is, even though at

859
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:34,280
Speaker 1: the current moment, Josh is the juggernaut. Those two guys,

860
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,399
Speaker 1: if even if everything else is equal, those two guys

861
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: are difference makers, and Being a McDermott and I think

862
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: they're the things. They're the insulation against a drought that

863
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 1: could happen to any team at any given time. I

864
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,879
Speaker 1: would agree with that just by the nature of their

865
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 1: roster construction that fans are enjoying now so and there

866
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: have been smart decisions even after they kind of reach

867
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:04,879
Speaker 1: this rest of roster quality, difficult decisions that were made,

868
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: you know, you kind of forget about it. Terry has

869
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: a lot to do with it too. I mean that's

870
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: the guy that yeah brought him and and just kind

871
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: of says, yeah, Okay this, Yeah, okay that, and remember

872
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 1: this and remember that. I mean, he's a kind of

873
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 1: the accountable voice in the room. But man, oh man,

874
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 1: he's been on board with those guys. And not every

875
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 1: GM and head coach has that in their organization, believe me,

876
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 1: Especially with all the moving of money around that people

877
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:36,240
Speaker 1: had to do across the league with the restrictive cap

878
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 1: during the pandemic year, you had to pay a lot

879
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 1: more people up front to move some money around. You

880
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 1: need an owner that's going to write the checks. The

881
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,760
Speaker 1: Pagoulas have written the checks. You gotta have some cash flow. Yeah,

882
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 1: we have to take a break here, but we will

883
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: expand this discussion with our next guest. In our number two,

884
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: he wrote a piece on the thirty third team, which

885
00:48:56,200 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 1: NFL teams are primed for sustainable success. Where did the

886
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: Bills rank on that list? We'll talk with former NFL

887
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 1: executive for the Eagles and Browns Joe Banner next here

888
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 1: on one Bills Live presented by Kalida Health, It's Buffalo

889
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 1: Bills Radio. At a Steve Tasker who has been all

890
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: over the fields. Kind of unique. He was kind of

891
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:39,280
Speaker 1: a dual role player for you. Steve Steve a blimp.

892
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 1: We're not even in the strated here of normalcy, all right?

893
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,320
Speaker 1: Our number two here on a Monday, Chris Brown, Steve

894
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: Tasker with you were here on one Bills Live. Please

895
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: to be joined now by former CEO of the Cleveland Brown's,

896
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 1: former president of the Philadelphia Eagles, and the founder and

897
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 1: writer at the thirty third team. It has one Joe

898
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 1: Banner joining us. Joe, how are you enjoying your summer?

899
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 1: Thanks for giving us some time. I'm doing great and

900
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 1: pleasure to be on with you guys. Thanks for having me. Yeah.

901
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: So you know, I know that you put it together

902
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 1: a couple of pieces at the thirty third team, you

903
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,800
Speaker 1: know on front offices, teams that have kind of built

904
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 1: things the right way so they're you know, got a

905
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 1: good window to really challenge for championships, and you had

906
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:29,439
Speaker 1: the Bills rank pretty highly. Why don't you just kind

907
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: of lay out the criteria that you look for in

908
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 1: a team that you believe is primed for sustainable success. Yeah. Sure,

909
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 1: happy to do that and glad to the chance because

910
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 1: I worked with Shaw mcderbur for a couple of years

911
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 1: over a decade. Sorry, So you know, the first thing

912
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,800
Speaker 1: I do is they have a really good coach who

913
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 1: really has the respect of the players and understands what

914
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 1: are the parts of the game and building the roster

915
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 1: that differentiates who wins who loses. I think he did

916
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:02,879
Speaker 1: a great job, and partnering of the GM who's also

917
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 1: done a great job. And the next most important thing

918
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: as the quarterback, where I'm a big Josh Allen fan.

919
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: There are things to still grow and improve that, but

920
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 1: he certainly meets that those are kind of obvious. Most

921
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 1: of the fifth grades of all of football could do

922
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 1: that part of it. But then I switch to things

923
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 1: that I do think the Bills do differently than most

924
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:22,359
Speaker 1: of the league. For example, I think teams that win

925
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 1: are able to be effective, dominant even on both the

926
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,919
Speaker 1: offensive and defensive lines, even when they're playing other really

927
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,800
Speaker 1: good teams, and I think the Bills have built that.

928
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 1: I think it's a priority, and so as this turnover

929
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,320
Speaker 1: of people move on, I think it will stay a priority.

930
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: To me. Teams that sustain success achieve that. The rest

931
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: of it is very subtle. Having worked in the league,

932
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 1: I think fans underestimate how important is how smart is

933
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: your roster, how driven is your roster? You know how

934
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:55,879
Speaker 1: complimentary is it within itself? And I both think they're

935
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:58,399
Speaker 1: situated really well right now in the answers to those

936
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 1: more intible things as well as works with Shamlan has

937
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: to know he cherishes those things, so even as the

938
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 1: roster changes, still continue to make that the personality of

939
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:11,839
Speaker 1: a team and the culture. So that's why I think

940
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: we're going to be looking at the fans of Buffalo yourself,

941
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 1: We're going to be having a lot of fun around

942
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 1: that football team for a long time. Yeah, And it

943
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: has been fun to watch him build this up and

944
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 1: watch Josh Allen develop as he has. And I know

945
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 1: that the quarterback does make a big difference for all

946
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: these teams and their sustained success. We've seen it time

947
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 1: and time again. How and you, as former CEO of

948
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 1: the Browns of the president of the Eagles for long stretches,

949
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: how difficult is it too? And is it realistic to

950
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 1: think that you're going to stay competitive because you draft

951
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 1: better than everybody else? I mean, it's it seems, yeah,

952
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: team will put together a good draft, or maybe even

953
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 1: two good drafts in a row, but you're still you know,

954
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 1: you're still subject to the order of the draft. And

955
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 1: who's available. How difficult or realistic give it to think

956
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 1: teams can do that well? First of all, I think

957
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 1: that's the most important questions for people to be asking

958
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,240
Speaker 1: right now as people are looking at football on credit

959
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 1: you for that, because the answer this question has really

960
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 1: changed in the last four or five years, and the

961
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 1: teams that are realizing it, like the Rams, are winning.

962
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 1: And here's what I mean by that. When the cap

963
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 1: was going up slowly, the only team, the only way

964
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 1: to build a sustainable, high quality team was told consistently

965
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 1: draft better than other teams and keep your own. When

966
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 1: the cap started jumping and going up as dramatically as

967
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 1: it did, it opened a path where you could rely

968
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 1: much more on rent veterans combined with draft picks, and

969
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:44,879
Speaker 1: have a team that was capable of not only winning

970
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,320
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl or competing in a Super Bowl, but

971
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 1: then sustaining the success. Historically, you couldn't sustain success if

972
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 1: you were investing a lot of money in veterans. You

973
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: could have a good year or two a Super Bowl,

974
00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:59,280
Speaker 1: but you weren't going to have a lot of sustained

975
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: pair of success us. So there's a very small number

976
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 1: of teams and bills are one of them that have

977
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 1: recognized that the shift which was created by how much

978
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 1: the CAP's going up to year to year, well, you

979
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 1: could both smartly and strategically invest in veterans, some of

980
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:18,800
Speaker 1: them being very expensive, compliment them with rookies, and give

981
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,360
Speaker 1: a little more time to develop than you had to

982
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 1: when the cap was tight. And now you can combine

983
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,439
Speaker 1: both of those things, which will always make you better

984
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: than any team that's focusing only one or the other

985
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 1: of those two methods to build a team. So, you know,

986
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 1: as I analyzed who had a good chance for success,

987
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 1: the fact that the Bills recognized this and they're implement again,

988
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 1: it was seeing them effectively draft but also bring in

989
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 1: some key veterans because of this escalation of the cap

990
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 1: as part of the reason I'm so optimistic well with

991
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 1: their futureal Big Joe. One thing that Steph and I

992
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: have talked an awful lot about, you know, since the

993
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 1: McDermott being regime has kind of taken hold here that

994
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 1: has been in star contrast to previous regimes here, especially

995
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 1: through the layoff drought, is the player development on the

996
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 1: part of the coaching staff. Where does that piece factor

997
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:11,360
Speaker 1: in for you in this kind of criteria because I

998
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 1: don't have to tell you the Bills for a long

999
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 1: time drafted very high in each round because they couldn't

1000
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:20,359
Speaker 1: win football games year in and year out. And even

1001
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 1: though they were getting some elite talent in the draft,

1002
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 1: whether people thought they deserved to be drafted in those

1003
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 1: spots or not, they never got better once they got here.

1004
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 1: And that has done a complete one eighty under McDermot

1005
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:34,919
Speaker 1: and Bean. Where does that fit into the criteria? Well,

1006
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 1: obviously very important. This is kind of interesting anecdote. Having

1007
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 1: worked with Sean and having worked with him when he

1008
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 1: worked for Andy Reid. I've been asked a lot of

1009
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 1: pencil how is Andy read so good at developing coaches

1010
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 1: and other really good coaches haven't necessarily been as good.

1011
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 1: And the answer the question you're asking is the key

1012
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 1: to this the fundamental beliefs that lead to the culture

1013
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 1: and the development of the team. And what I mean

1014
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 1: by that, Andy Reid does not call himself a coach.

1015
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 1: He calls himself a teacher, and any coach that's worked

1016
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,880
Speaker 1: under Andy Reid understands that he used their boss and

1017
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 1: he thinks of them as teachers. And it's maybe there's

1018
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: some people, just a subtle overplay of work, just mixing

1019
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 1: up different words and giving different meanings. But it's really

1020
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 1: not the difference between thinking of yourself as a coach

1021
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:28,240
Speaker 1: and thinking of yourself as a teacher, which is subtly different,

1022
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 1: but I really think makes a big difference in answering

1023
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 1: a question. The guy who sees himself as fundamentally a

1024
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 1: teacher is going to put tremendous effort in studying, learning,

1025
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 1: and then teaching his players. So obviously you gonna end

1026
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 1: up with a group of coaches teachers who are going

1027
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:46,839
Speaker 1: to be a better at developing players than people don't

1028
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:48,880
Speaker 1: have that mindset. And that's for me, one of the

1029
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 1: prime reasons that Andy's been so successful and so many

1030
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 1: of his disciples have been a successful They don't Andy

1031
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 1: and have a turn to the general manner and said,

1032
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 1: now you pick the wrong guy. He would share the

1033
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 1: blame if we screwed it up. Maybe we didn't develop

1034
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 1: him enough, maybe we didn't teach him well enough, and

1035
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 1: maybe he wasn't the right pick. You have no idea

1036
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 1: how many positions the league where the coach is always

1037
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 1: thinking it's the GM's fault, and the GM's always think

1038
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:13,279
Speaker 1: it's the coach coach's fault. The realities they both have

1039
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 1: a role. So Sean had come in and, as you've stated,

1040
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 1: so effectively moved the team towards one that the coaches

1041
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 1: are teachers, they're developers, and it's not just by the

1042
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 1: way their skills, it's their whole being. It makes a

1043
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 1: very big difference. I would think that all of the

1044
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 1: top teams in the league have us. Yeah, and they

1045
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 1: also seem to have a head coach that is somehow

1046
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 1: in a closer knit or more aligned relationship with the GM.

1047
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 1: The GM and head coach tend to think alike, and

1048
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 1: we've all seen what it's like. And of course, when

1049
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 1: when teams win games, everybody's happy all the time. What

1050
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 1: are some of the signs you see of teams when

1051
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 1: the head coach and the general manager have maybe a

1052
00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 1: toxic relationship and yet everybody's you know, they don't want

1053
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 1: that to get out or it's not manifest. What's it

1054
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 1: manifest itself to the common fan? How's that look when

1055
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 1: a team has a GM and a head coach that

1056
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 1: don't like each other, don't philosophically line up aside from

1057
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 1: losing games, what's it looked like on a day to

1058
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 1: day basis. Well, unfortunately, most of the answer is the

1059
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 1: thing you're limited is the team. Most of the time

1060
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 1: you'll see some gradual deterioration. And by the way, interesting,

1061
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 1: we've had some very significant exceptions to this. And then

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00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 1: Ron Wolf and Mike Holmgren work together for years for

1063
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:31,439
Speaker 1: a while very well, at some point the relationship turns

1064
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 1: somewhat tense. You know, we saw Pittsburgh and Tom Donohoe

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00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 1: and Bill Koller for so many years, So there are

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Speaker 1: a couple of instances. But you see this in my mind.

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Speaker 1: The way you can tell this from the outside is

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00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 1: if you're seeing a true consistency in the philosophy that's

1069
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 1: operating in the team. So it's things like I mentioned before,

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00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 1: Are we really going to emphasize intelligence on our draft

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00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 1: board in our free agent selections? Are we going to

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00:58:56,680 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 1: emphasize flexibility when we make those decisions? Are we're going

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00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 1: to prioritize the lines like you heard me tak earlier,

1074
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 1: At least from my beliefs, that's such a crucial thing.

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00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 1: One should get to quarterback in place to be able

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00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 1: to dominate, and not just dominate a week team, but

1077
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 1: play a really good team and still win the battle

1078
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 1: of the line of scrimmage. When you see kind of

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00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 1: a consistency of the philosophy, I think you should be

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00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 1: able to trust. It could be some exceptions, but you

1081
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 1: should be able to trust that the general manager of

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00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 1: the head coach are getting along well and agree on

1083
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 1: the underlying philosophies that will make them the best they

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00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 1: can be. And I think everything we see in Buffalo

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00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 1: certainly indicates that that's the case. And again, if I

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00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 1: look at the Rams, if I look at the teams

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00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:38,440
Speaker 1: like the Eagles, if I look what's going on in

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00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 1: the last couple of years down in Tampa Bay, if

1089
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 1: you look what's even gone on in Cincinnati now, even

1090
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 1: though it's really kind of a one year wonder so far,

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00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 1: sorry about that, I think you see that those teams

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00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 1: have a consistency in what's driving their decision and whether

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00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 1: it's what you agree with or I agree with, it's

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00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 1: less important than the fact that they have a true

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00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 1: commitment to a philosophy that they don't really wave it

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01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 1: from very much or very often. Talking with former NFL

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Speaker 1: front office executive with the Eagles and Browns and founder

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Speaker 1: and writer at the thirty thirteen Joe Banner. Joe, I

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Speaker 1: was wondering about this one because the Bills seem to

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Speaker 1: be on the cutting edge of this as well. But

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Speaker 1: basically keeping their roster healthy. They've been one of the

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Speaker 1: healthiest rosters in the league the last three years. They've

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01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 1: invested heavily in sports science here analytics has been a

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Speaker 1: part of that, obviously, but you hear all the time,

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Speaker 1: availability is the most important ability, and they've been able

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Speaker 1: to keep their players on the field, and then if not,

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01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 1: they've been able to get them back on the field

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Speaker 1: relatively quickly, minimal number of soft tissue injuries. Obviously, you

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01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:47,680
Speaker 1: can't present prevent the car crash type injuries that happen

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Speaker 1: in football, but they've been an extraordinary healthy team the

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Speaker 1: last three seasons. I don't know if this is something

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Speaker 1: that's permeating the league, But where does that fit into

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Speaker 1: the puzzle? No, it's crucial. I mean, you look at

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Speaker 1: the missed games at the end of the season. You'll

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01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 1: rarely see, let's say, a Final four team that's very

1116
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 1: higher on that list in any given year. And if

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01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 1: you establish a three year track record is you're referring to,

1118
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:16,440
Speaker 1: it's not random. I mean, some injuries in football gonna

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01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 1: have to every team. Some teams consistently have a lot

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Speaker 1: of them, and some teams insistently have less, not none.

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Speaker 1: So it starts with a coach who really appreciates the

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Speaker 1: importance of that and is willing to allow his experts,

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Speaker 1: his medical people, as nutritionists, all these kinds of people

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Speaker 1: interact with the player that they understood. The people that

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Speaker 1: are deciding whether or not I have a job here,

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Speaker 1: the people that are deciding how much I get paid

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Speaker 1: if I stay here, they really believe in this. Therefore,

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Speaker 1: it's important to me. And there's definitely no doubt at

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Speaker 1: this point that things as basic as getting good sleep

1130
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 1: and much more complicated things about developments in the air

1131
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 1: of nutrition are absolutely affecting how many people are saying

1132
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Speaker 1: is healthy for how long. So it starts with a

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Speaker 1: Sean and being who have a mind set that is

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Speaker 1: open to those kind of things and not just thinking

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Speaker 1: about the way things were fifteen years ago when that

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01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily getting as much emphasis, and then creating an

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Speaker 1: environment where they must have and I don't even know

1138
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 1: their training staff or their doctors, but they're taking the

1139
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 1: lead from Sean of what's important and then they're doing

1140
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Speaker 1: an outstanding job of implementing and executing it, or you're

1141
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 1: not seeing three years where you consistently can say what

1142
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:29,040
Speaker 1: you're saying about the health of the team. One of

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Speaker 1: the other things that you've written about on the thirty

1144
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 1: third team, your website that you've founded, that it's got

1145
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 1: a lot of great stuff, and I would steer anybody there.

1146
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:37,680
Speaker 1: There's some in depth things. One of the things you

1147
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 1: said is there are four teams out there that you

1148
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 1: thought improved more than any other team, And it starts

1149
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 1: with the Chargers, goes to Baltimore, and then the second

1150
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:49,600
Speaker 1: two are a little bit surprising, the Detroit Lions and

1151
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 1: the Jacksonville Jaguar. Certainly they had a long way to go.

1152
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 1: But those four teams I thought were really interesting. LA

1153
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 1: came into the season last year already with a great roster,

1154
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 1: but you think they got markedly better. And of course Baltimore,

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01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 1: if they can just stay off the injured reserve, they'll

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01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:06,640
Speaker 1: be better. Give us a little thumbnail about the four

1157
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:10,480
Speaker 1: teams and why you pick them as being the most improved. Yeah,

1158
01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 1: and I'm glad you're phrased the way it did. Because

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01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:15,160
Speaker 1: I personally don't think Jacksonville has done a lot of

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01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 1: things that I would be doing if I happen to

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Speaker 1: be in decision making seat there, because they're too short term.

1162
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 1: They're filling needs of the moment as opposed to filling

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01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:26,439
Speaker 1: the most important things. But they're coming up in such

1164
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 1: a weak performance the last three years. I do think

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Speaker 1: they'll significantly improve this year, and most of the individual

1166
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 1: moves they made, I actually think we're good. But collectively,

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Speaker 1: first year head coach, second year quarterback with tremendous potential,

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Speaker 1: I just think they went too far too quick. But

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Speaker 1: if I'm merely looking at the questionable, who improved the

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Speaker 1: most from last year? So I put jackson on the list.

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Speaker 1: I'm the same way with Detroit, just they played so hard,

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01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 1: they played smarter. As the season went on, they did

1173
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:58,360
Speaker 1: start to put increased emphasis on linemen, like you know,

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01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:00,160
Speaker 1: you've probably heard me, and I started to be of

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01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 1: it that I think is so important. So I expect

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Speaker 1: them to be far from one of the elite teams

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Speaker 1: in the league, but it's easy to see that they're

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Speaker 1: on a path that could get them there. The other

1179
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 1: teams are the same things. You're mentioning. I mean, Baltimore

1180
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:16,280
Speaker 1: is you know, I'm a big fan of John Harbor

1181
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:18,160
Speaker 1: worked with them for years. One of the best coaching

1182
01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:22,560
Speaker 1: staffs out there. You know, lamar Jack is different in

1183
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:25,240
Speaker 1: his set of skills in most quarter of historically, but

1184
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:28,280
Speaker 1: clearly that set of skills has translated into the team

1185
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 1: doing extremely well behind him. They have very strong lines.

1186
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:35,440
Speaker 1: They have a new coordinator on defense that makes me

1187
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 1: a little nervous, but I know Harbaugh, they'll be very

1188
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 1: very aggressive on defense, even though it will be different

1189
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 1: people making it. But there again, just by the number

1190
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Speaker 1: of players they have kept coming back that they didn't

1191
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:47,400
Speaker 1: have last year, that that's going to be a very

1192
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:50,280
Speaker 1: different looking team. And I hesitated, honestly to put them

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Speaker 1: on it because they did end up with an ok

1194
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 1: rectored last year and they're actually playing in a division

1195
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 1: that's much much harder than it was just a couple

1196
01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 1: of years ago. But again, if I'm merely focusing on

1197
01:04:59,880 --> 01:05:03,160
Speaker 1: the question who's improved from last year, not who's going

1198
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:04,800
Speaker 1: to be in the super book, but who's made the

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Speaker 1: best kind of collective group of moves, I did feel

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Speaker 1: like they deserve to be on it. So a little

1201
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:12,520
Speaker 1: bit different answer for each team, but all of it

1202
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:14,920
Speaker 1: just in this context of who improved from last year.

1203
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:18,360
Speaker 1: Not predicting again, Jacksonville did exactly opposite of what I

1204
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 1: would recommend most teams doing the first year kind of

1205
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:23,320
Speaker 1: a new regime. But I do think they're in the

1206
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:26,520
Speaker 1: short term than a benefit significantly from those moves. Last

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Speaker 1: one I've got for you, Joe, and again thanks for

1208
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:32,120
Speaker 1: the time. I don't pretend to know how well you

1209
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:35,240
Speaker 1: know Ken Dorsey, but when you just mentioned in talking

1210
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 1: about Baltimore you had a coordinator change there under a

1211
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:42,840
Speaker 1: very established program in Baltimore, you expressed a little bit

1212
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 1: of trepidation. It's a big question here only because of

1213
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:49,560
Speaker 1: the unknown. Ken Dorsey has never called plays, and on

1214
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:52,120
Speaker 1: game day, as prepared as you are when that play

1215
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:55,440
Speaker 1: clocks clicking down, you know, choosing the right play at

1216
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:57,520
Speaker 1: the right time can be a lot more challenging than

1217
01:05:57,560 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 1: people realize. So how do you look at that? For

1218
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:05,800
Speaker 1: the Bills? Knowing the offense terminology wise, is going to

1219
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 1: stay the same. Obviously they still have Josh Allen, but

1220
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 1: it looks like they're going to keep it, you know,

1221
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:14,320
Speaker 1: maintain the air of continuity as much as possible. But

1222
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:17,320
Speaker 1: what is always what are always the caveats in those

1223
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 1: kinds of situations in your experience, Well, this is the

1224
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:22,960
Speaker 1: hardest thing you do. For example, in the roles that

1225
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:27,280
Speaker 1: I was into the NFL, is projecting the development and

1226
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 1: advancement of coaches. Because coaches generally know their business really well,

1227
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:35,640
Speaker 1: they know how to coach, They are very passionate, and

1228
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:39,440
Speaker 1: that passion comes through in an interview and separating kind

1229
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:42,440
Speaker 1: of the passion and the intensity to get from somebody

1230
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 1: to really break down and project who can actually take

1231
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 1: a step up and still keep us as strong, if

1232
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:52,760
Speaker 1: not stronger than they were. So my answer and Ken

1233
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:57,240
Speaker 1: is everything we've seen, from my opinion, leads us to

1234
01:06:57,320 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 1: believe he will be able to take a step and

1235
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:02,560
Speaker 1: do so very effect actively. But I say that acknowledging

1236
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:07,040
Speaker 1: that projecting that is extremely hard. Adding fifty on that

1237
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:10,720
Speaker 1: kind of projection is actually doing great. So I hate

1238
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:11,880
Speaker 1: to say it, but it's going to be kind of

1239
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:15,680
Speaker 1: a show me situation. He deserved the opportunity. There's a

1240
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:17,520
Speaker 1: lot in the people that know him and have worked

1241
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:19,520
Speaker 1: with him that would give you reasonably if he's likely

1242
01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:22,080
Speaker 1: to be very successful. But he's literally going to have

1243
01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:23,880
Speaker 1: to get on that clock on Sunday and start to

1244
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:27,439
Speaker 1: make those calls, develop the game plan, teach the game plan.

1245
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:30,919
Speaker 1: Should Steve can speak to this. People underestimate how many

1246
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:33,840
Speaker 1: of these games what happens on Tuesday and Wednesday has

1247
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 1: a huge impact on what happens on Sunday. And that's

1248
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:38,880
Speaker 1: where not just calling the play on Sundays, but Ken

1249
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:41,000
Speaker 1: Dorsey is going to have to demonstrate his ability with

1250
01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 1: his staff to develop that game plan and teach it

1251
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:46,600
Speaker 1: to the players in a way that gives them the

1252
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:50,240
Speaker 1: best chance to be able to effectively execute it on Sunday.

1253
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:54,600
Speaker 1: So I'm hopeful about that higher But I started by

1254
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:56,800
Speaker 1: admitting that even if you're right on fifty percent of

1255
01:07:56,840 --> 01:07:59,640
Speaker 1: the projection shamake, whether it's a coordinated becoming a head

1256
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:03,320
Speaker 1: coach or a position coach becoming the coordinator, it's really

1257
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 1: really hard to judge who's going to be who. But

1258
01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 1: I go into the Ken one with being very hopeful

1259
01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:13,640
Speaker 1: and optimistic, but knowing the risk of that kind of projection. Yeah,

1260
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:15,280
Speaker 1: I've said it on the show. I think these games

1261
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:17,120
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't realize they win the game

1262
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:19,720
Speaker 1: on Monday through Saturday and Sunday, they just get get

1263
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:24,320
Speaker 1: to chalk it up. Last thing for me, trends in

1264
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:27,000
Speaker 1: the NFL. We've seen it over the past couple of

1265
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:29,880
Speaker 1: years where you get guys like Pat Mahomes, Josh Allen,

1266
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:33,880
Speaker 1: even Matt Stafford, the quarterbacks of the future, the Kyler

1267
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:36,320
Speaker 1: Murray's that the athletes that are out there that are

1268
01:08:36,360 --> 01:08:39,720
Speaker 1: really playing at a high level, and Aaron Rodgers has

1269
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:41,640
Speaker 1: been there for a while. Tom Brady has made it

1270
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:43,479
Speaker 1: look easy. So there's a bunch of guys out there,

1271
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:47,200
Speaker 1: particularly in the AFC. Do you sense a trend that

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Speaker 1: has almost swung so far towards the offensive side of

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Speaker 1: the of the ledger that it's almost hard or maybe

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Speaker 1: too hard to play defense in the NFL? Certainly the

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Speaker 1: Division Round game from the Buffalo Bills and the Chiefs

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Speaker 1: this last year made it look like guys almost weren't

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Speaker 1: allowed to play defense. It was a seven on seven games.

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Speaker 1: Do you see it the trend of the pendulum swinging

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Speaker 1: too far that way? I think we're at risk of that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I as a fan like like the offense,

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Speaker 1: I like the emphasis of that, but if you get

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Speaker 1: a two out of balance. You know, we used to

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Speaker 1: say like when I was part of these organise building

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01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:25,080
Speaker 1: teams that ideally we wanted both our offense and defense

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Speaker 1: to be in the top ten, and if we're really

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Speaker 1: going to win a Super Bowl, we probably need at

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Speaker 1: least one of them to be in the top three

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Speaker 1: to five. I think it's changed so that now that

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Speaker 1: offense is even more if we used to treat them equally,

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Speaker 1: like it had to be really exceptional at one and

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Speaker 1: at least very good at the other. If you're truly

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Speaker 1: talking about winning Super Bowls, I think now you really

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Speaker 1: have to be exceptional at offense and you can get

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Speaker 1: away with being good on defense. And we may be

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Speaker 1: at the edge, in my opinion, of where they need

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Speaker 1: to make some adjustments to keep that true, because we're,

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Speaker 1: in my mind, we're right on the edge of the

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Speaker 1: cliff where the offense can become out of whacked in

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Speaker 1: terms of how much more important it is that is

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Speaker 1: in defense. Although again I actually agree with making rules

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Speaker 1: that kind of encourage an emphasis on offense, but I

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Speaker 1: think you're right that we may be taking it too far.

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01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:12,439
Speaker 1: We may right on the edge. We have to make

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01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:14,599
Speaker 1: some rules or approach the game a little bit differently.

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Speaker 1: Some of that, by the way, is efficiating too. That

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01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:22,599
Speaker 1: the officiating and the execution of the rules has made

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Speaker 1: that problem even bigger than it probably is without that element. Joe,

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Speaker 1: thanks very much for the time. It was a great conversation.

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Speaker 1: We're glad you took some time to have it with us.

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Speaker 1: Enjoy your summer. Thanks you do the same, you guys.

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Speaker 1: That's Joe Banner, former NFL front office executive with the

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Speaker 1: Browns and the Eagles, also the founder and writer at

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01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:44,679
Speaker 1: the thirty third Team. Some good professional insight from people

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Speaker 1: who have done the job like Joe right right on

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01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:52,400
Speaker 1: that site. It's you want to get a picture on

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01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:57,120
Speaker 1: how the inner workings of football organizations operate. There's quality

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01:10:57,200 --> 01:10:59,600
Speaker 1: content there that that you should read if you're that

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01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:05,479
Speaker 1: been too it um you think about Joe. Joe Banner

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01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:13,360
Speaker 1: was the president of the Eagles for like fifty seventeen years,

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Speaker 1: I mean from ninety five to twenty twelve, and he

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Speaker 1: was also the CEO of the Cleveland Browns from twenty

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Speaker 1: twelve to twenty thirteen. So he's been up in those

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01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:28,400
Speaker 1: in those big decision rooms for a couple of different

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01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:33,120
Speaker 1: teams in both conferences, and to understand the inner workings

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Speaker 1: of it and how the draft works, and the effects

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01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:38,080
Speaker 1: every decision make on the bottom line, and the and

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Speaker 1: the one lost column is it is pretty interesting to

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Speaker 1: hear him talk about. I liked your question there at

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Speaker 1: the end because I think it is getting dangerously close

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Speaker 1: to looking like sandlot football. Because, as you've mentioned before

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Speaker 1: on our show, the rules are slanted in favor of

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Speaker 1: offensive play. That's number one. It's officiated that way. That's

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Speaker 1: number two. I mean you can't even and yeah, you

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01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:04,000
Speaker 1: can't even come close to a quarterback's head if he slide,

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Speaker 1: you better not get within five yards of him, you

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01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:08,200
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So it all slants that way.

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Speaker 1: And if you think about it's Steve, it was only

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01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:15,160
Speaker 1: about five to eight years ago, if your offense average

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01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:18,640
Speaker 1: twenty four points a game, you were probably a playoff team. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: that's not good enough. Now it's more like twenty eight

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01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:24,960
Speaker 1: to thirty points. The difference is that now we've back

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01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:27,000
Speaker 1: in the day. Even ten years ago, you had like

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01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:30,720
Speaker 1: maybe three guys league wide who could get into a

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01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:34,439
Speaker 1: zone where if you weren't, if something bad didn't happen,

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01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:37,080
Speaker 1: they need to tip the pass or something funky like that. Happening.

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01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:39,599
Speaker 1: You couldn't get him off the field. Now you got

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01:12:40,280 --> 01:12:42,439
Speaker 1: like what ten of those guys a third of the

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01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:45,679
Speaker 1: league that if they're in a zone, it's Pat Mahomes,

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01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:47,920
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, it's a track meet. You can't get him

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01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:50,719
Speaker 1: off the field, particularly late in the season when they're

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01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:54,439
Speaker 1: they're greased lightning. And I think he's right. It comes

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01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:57,120
Speaker 1: down to the officiating. What they want the officials to

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01:12:57,240 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 1: be able to call, how they want to allow the

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01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:04,120
Speaker 1: defensive backs and the defensive linemen to be able to play,

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01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:06,880
Speaker 1: and also what offensive linemen are allowed to do to

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01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:09,160
Speaker 1: protect the quarterback. I mean, you got these guys with

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01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:12,800
Speaker 1: meat hooks out there, and in years past, the things

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01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:15,839
Speaker 1: they're doing now that are commonplace used to be a penalty,

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01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:17,880
Speaker 1: and you know, they used to get a lot of

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01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:21,240
Speaker 1: more holdings. You don't see that many anymore. It almost

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01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:23,280
Speaker 1: has to be a drag down before they'll call it.

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01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:27,639
Speaker 1: So it is slanted towards the offense. But it starts

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01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:31,519
Speaker 1: with their desire to say and they watch film. They

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01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:33,120
Speaker 1: can take the officials in and say, all right, we

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01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:35,680
Speaker 1: want you see how this you're not calling that last year.

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01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:38,519
Speaker 1: This year, we want this cold and this cold and

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Speaker 1: this cold, and we're gonna look at some film here

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01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:43,240
Speaker 1: and see exactly what happens. And they're gonna show them

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01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:46,320
Speaker 1: film after film after film of stuff that wasn't called

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01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:48,880
Speaker 1: in the past that will be called now. Those kind

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01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:52,519
Speaker 1: of meetings are what will swing the pendulum away from this.

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Speaker 1: You know the offense, and I know this too, man.

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01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:59,160
Speaker 1: Everybody wants more of the Chiefs Bills game, me included.

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01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:02,519
Speaker 1: But like Joe Banner says, they're they're on the edge

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01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:04,240
Speaker 1: of a cliff where there's no coming back from it.

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01:14:04,360 --> 01:14:10,160
Speaker 1: You got more than a handful of quarterbacks. You can't defend.

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Speaker 1: You just can't defend him. If you give any kind

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01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:16,120
Speaker 1: of down, if you give him any kind of talent

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01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:19,080
Speaker 1: around them, you even you cover him up, all right,

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01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:22,080
Speaker 1: he pulls it down, out runs everybody for a first down.

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01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:25,120
Speaker 1: If you keep him in the pocket and hold him out,

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01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:26,760
Speaker 1: you can't hold up in the back end because you've

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01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:29,080
Speaker 1: got two good of players around him, and Zingo, he

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01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:31,840
Speaker 1: hits the he hits the small window first down again.

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01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:36,560
Speaker 1: So they're in. They're in a window a point in

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01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:39,080
Speaker 1: history where these guys coming in are so good, These

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01:14:39,160 --> 01:14:40,960
Speaker 1: quarterbacks are so good, and the guys around him are

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01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:44,280
Speaker 1: so good, and the rules are such that you get

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Speaker 1: into a zone and man, you just can't get him

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Speaker 1: off the field. Yeah. I mean, Josh put together a

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01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:56,200
Speaker 1: perfect game against the Patriots in the playoffs, seven scoring

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01:14:56,280 --> 01:14:58,639
Speaker 1: drives in a row. They couldn't have They had one

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01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:02,479
Speaker 1: negative play and it was a p Yeah. They they

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01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:07,840
Speaker 1: didn't put They couldn't have gotten another yard offensively because

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01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:12,439
Speaker 1: there wasn't any more field. So you know, you're you're

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01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:15,000
Speaker 1: that's what you're looking at with some of these guys. Yeah.

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01:15:15,080 --> 01:15:17,639
Speaker 1: I don't know that it'll it's sustainable like that. They'll

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01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:21,679
Speaker 1: get it's gonna get kind of gagolicious. You know, it's

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01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:26,479
Speaker 1: kind to be too much of a good thing. We

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Speaker 1: do have some breaking news from Andrew Mason, who works

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01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:34,360
Speaker 1: for one or four point three the Fan in Denver.

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01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:39,200
Speaker 1: He is reporting that former Broncos quarterback and former Bills

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01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:44,120
Speaker 1: wide receiver Marlon Brisco passed away today. The Associated Press

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01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:48,400
Speaker 1: is also reporting this story. Brisco was a little bit

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01:15:48,439 --> 01:15:50,960
Speaker 1: more famous for what he did in Denver because he

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01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:54,960
Speaker 1: was the first black quarterback in modern pro football in

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01:15:55,080 --> 01:15:58,120
Speaker 1: the AFL When he stepped in for the Broncos in

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01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:03,040
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty eight, past fourteen touchdowns, ran for three more

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01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:06,080
Speaker 1: and actually earned the nickname out there in Denver, Marlin

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01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:09,080
Speaker 1: the Magician. But he was an accomplished receiver here for

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01:16:09,160 --> 01:16:13,280
Speaker 1: the bills in the AFL days. So condolences to his family.

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01:16:13,880 --> 01:16:19,760
Speaker 1: Brisco was seventy six years old, So some unfortunate news

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01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:23,559
Speaker 1: to pass along so soon after just losing longtime athletic

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01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:28,160
Speaker 1: trainer Eddie Abramoski just a last Friday, who was also

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Speaker 1: on the Wall of Fame. So condolences to the Briscoe family.

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Speaker 1: We will take a break here, we'll wrap up with

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01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:37,960
Speaker 1: the thoughts on the tweet sheet. Next here on One

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Speaker 1: Bills Live presented by Kalaida Health, It's Buffalo Bills Radio.

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01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:46,800
Speaker 1: Welcome Imagine one Bills Live, Chris Brown Ceve tests We're

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Speaker 1: with you. And in another layer of the Deshaun Watson

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01:16:52,120 --> 01:16:58,280
Speaker 1: civil suits, Tony Busby, the attorney who represents the plaintiffs

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01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:02,800
Speaker 1: basically representing all the women who filed civil suits against

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01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:10,320
Speaker 1: DeShawn Watson, filed another lawsuit against the Houston Texans. Here

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01:17:10,439 --> 01:17:14,200
Speaker 1: is the statement from Tony Buzzby, the attorney. Today we

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01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:16,960
Speaker 1: filed the first case of what will likely be many

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01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:21,400
Speaker 1: against the Houston Texans related to Deshaun Watson's behavior. Suffice

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01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:25,439
Speaker 1: it to say, the overwhelming evidence collected indicating that the

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01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:30,840
Speaker 1: Houston Texans enabled Watson's behavior is incredibly damning. We believe

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01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 1: the Texans new or A most certainly should have known

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01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:39,839
Speaker 1: of Watson's conduct. Beyond that, we believe the filing speaks

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01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:42,360
Speaker 1: for itself. This in the wake Steve of the New

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01:17:42,479 --> 01:17:46,840
Speaker 1: York Times right up by Jenny Brentiss, which clearly implicated

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01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:51,280
Speaker 1: the Texans as enablers for Watson. They gave him a

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01:17:51,439 --> 01:17:55,719
Speaker 1: hotel suite at one of the big downtown hotels, swanky

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01:17:55,800 --> 01:17:59,760
Speaker 1: ones the Houstonian, I believe it's called, where he ended

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01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:04,240
Speaker 1: up up conducting a lot of the massage therapy appointments.

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01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:08,240
Speaker 1: So they gave him accommodations to get these appointments done

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01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:12,839
Speaker 1: behind closed doors, not on the turf of a massage

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01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:17,160
Speaker 1: therapist per se. And then two, when he went to

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01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:21,040
Speaker 1: the Texans and explained that one of these massage therapists

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01:18:21,160 --> 01:18:25,200
Speaker 1: was threatening to out him for what he allegedly asked for,

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01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:30,759
Speaker 1: the attorney for the team provided him with a fully

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01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:34,519
Speaker 1: formed nondisclosure agreement and basically told him take this to

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01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:37,080
Speaker 1: a massage therapist every time you go for an appointment,

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01:18:37,120 --> 01:18:40,799
Speaker 1: and ask them to sign it prior to the appointments starting.

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01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:49,120
Speaker 1: So if that's not enabling, I don't know what is. You. Yeah,

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01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:50,920
Speaker 1: get them and here are the Texans. Here are the

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01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:53,679
Speaker 1: Texans probably thinking as soon as they traded to Shaun

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01:18:53,720 --> 01:18:56,439
Speaker 1: Watson they had washed their hands in the matter. Go

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01:18:56,600 --> 01:19:00,479
Speaker 1: get them, p Contray, go get them do it for him.

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01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:05,120
Speaker 1: I don't. That's yeah, you can't. I gotta say somebody,

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01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:09,080
Speaker 1: somebody has got to have the courage. But I don't

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01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:11,439
Speaker 1: care if they if they're paying the guy sixty million

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01:19:11,479 --> 01:19:14,240
Speaker 1: bucks a year, I don't, It doesn't matter. Somebody's gotta

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01:19:14,240 --> 01:19:16,720
Speaker 1: have the courage saying no, you're not gonna do that.

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01:19:16,840 --> 01:19:19,200
Speaker 1: Stop it. We're not gonna do that. If you're gonna

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01:19:19,240 --> 01:19:22,519
Speaker 1: have issues like this, you're gonna we're gonna take it

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01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:24,880
Speaker 1: to the We're gonna take it to the National Football League.

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01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:27,360
Speaker 1: We're gonna get you suspend. You know, you can't have

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01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:31,000
Speaker 1: people like that working under your roof. You can't condone it.

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01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:33,960
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't have to out the guy, but

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01:19:34,040 --> 01:19:38,080
Speaker 1: you gotta say, listen, knock it off. You know, you

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01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:41,120
Speaker 1: got to act like an adult here, not somehow and

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01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:43,000
Speaker 1: not some fifteen year old kid with a lot of

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01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:45,040
Speaker 1: money and a lot of time. And that's part of

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01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:49,840
Speaker 1: the problem. Everybody cow tows to the quarterbacks. And a

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01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:54,200
Speaker 1: lot of these quarterbacks have been, you know, given everything

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01:19:54,280 --> 01:19:56,519
Speaker 1: on a silver platter from the time they're twelve years old,

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01:19:56,600 --> 01:19:58,479
Speaker 1: told you the greatest thing since slice bread. By the

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01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:00,640
Speaker 1: time they're twenty, they believe it, and then there's a

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01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:03,800
Speaker 1: sense of entitlement there. And if you think about it's Steve,

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01:20:04,479 --> 01:20:07,240
Speaker 1: you say, well, why didn't anybody speak up and tell

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01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:09,160
Speaker 1: the quarterback you can't do that or you shouldn't be

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01:20:09,240 --> 01:20:11,200
Speaker 1: doing that, because the last thing they want to be

1475
01:20:11,400 --> 01:20:13,960
Speaker 1: is the guy that upset the quarterback to the point

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01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:15,800
Speaker 1: where he doesn't want to play in Houston anymore. Because

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01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:19,280
Speaker 1: that's what happened. Yeah, got to a point where even

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01:20:19,320 --> 01:20:21,960
Speaker 1: though they enabled this guy, he didn't want to play

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01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:24,040
Speaker 1: for them anymore because he claims the owner misled him.

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01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:26,400
Speaker 1: They didn't pick up the phone to ask him about

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01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:29,439
Speaker 1: a player transaction or give him a heads up on

1482
01:20:29,479 --> 01:20:32,439
Speaker 1: the player transaction or whatever. They didn't pick up the

1483
01:20:32,439 --> 01:20:34,200
Speaker 1: phone and make one phone call to him, so that

1484
01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:41,479
Speaker 1: soured a multi multimillion dollar relationship. That's how that's how

1485
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:45,080
Speaker 1: sensitive he has he was at that point. So you know,

1486
01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:47,160
Speaker 1: they probably had good reason to think that he would

1487
01:20:47,200 --> 01:20:50,559
Speaker 1: go off the deep end if they didn't enable him

1488
01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:52,360
Speaker 1: or do what he or help him out in his

1489
01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:59,559
Speaker 1: lifestyle choices or whatever. Yeah, the guy's character obviously can't

1490
01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:03,439
Speaker 1: support his talent. His decision making doesn't support his talent

1491
01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:06,800
Speaker 1: or his station with that within that organization. And now

1492
01:21:06,920 --> 01:21:10,360
Speaker 1: everybody has to pay the price for not having anybody

1493
01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:15,880
Speaker 1: in the building stamp and say wait a minute, Just

1494
01:21:16,280 --> 01:21:18,519
Speaker 1: wait a minute. That's all you gotta say, Wait a minute,

1495
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:24,000
Speaker 1: are you are you sure about this? That's to me

1496
01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:28,280
Speaker 1: is everything that's wrong with sports at every level, let

1497
01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:32,120
Speaker 1: alone the pro level. That's that's what's wrong with everything.

1498
01:21:33,680 --> 01:21:36,679
Speaker 1: Never should a guy's talent or his position on any

1499
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:42,160
Speaker 1: team supersede his responsibility to his fellow man and his

1500
01:21:42,280 --> 01:21:47,559
Speaker 1: behavior therein. And that's it's it's a it's a problems.

1501
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:50,080
Speaker 1: It's a problem as the oldest sports itself. I get it.

1502
01:21:50,160 --> 01:21:52,280
Speaker 1: It's not going away because I'm ranting on the radio

1503
01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:55,960
Speaker 1: all of that, But man o, man, that's where I'm

1504
01:21:55,960 --> 01:21:59,080
Speaker 1: sitting today. On that now, I might that might be

1505
01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:02,280
Speaker 1: a hill I die on. It's amazing when you think

1506
01:22:02,320 --> 01:22:06,560
Speaker 1: about the ripple effects of this. Deshaun Watson is the

1507
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:11,799
Speaker 1: personification of the Titanic in the NFL and the Texans

1508
01:22:12,479 --> 01:22:16,800
Speaker 1: and probably the Browns going down with them. They're going

1509
01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:19,519
Speaker 1: down with them, and yeah, and for no other reason

1510
01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:25,880
Speaker 1: that they decided to. And there it's unbelievable, the whole,

1511
01:22:27,080 --> 01:22:33,120
Speaker 1: the public relations whole, and the mirror we get whatever

1512
01:22:33,360 --> 01:22:35,200
Speaker 1: you want to call it, that the Browns have dug

1513
01:22:35,360 --> 01:22:37,760
Speaker 1: themselves by hitching their wagon to a guy like this,

1514
01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:43,640
Speaker 1: full knowing full well what it meant full well, and

1515
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:47,719
Speaker 1: still deciding to do it on the hopes of winning

1516
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:53,880
Speaker 1: football games. Man, I don't I don't know. Wouldn't you

1517
01:22:53,960 --> 01:22:56,360
Speaker 1: be better off keeping the money in your pocket because

1518
01:22:56,600 --> 01:22:58,120
Speaker 1: if you win a Super Bowl, you're gonna make that

1519
01:22:58,280 --> 01:23:02,400
Speaker 1: much more money rather than pay the guy that much

1520
01:23:02,439 --> 01:23:05,519
Speaker 1: more money. I mean, I get it's a lot of money,

1521
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:09,559
Speaker 1: but man, oh man, you really need that you can win.

1522
01:23:09,720 --> 01:23:12,400
Speaker 1: There are other ways to win games. Just do better,

1523
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:16,160
Speaker 1: don't take a short cut like that. Just do better

1524
01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:19,679
Speaker 1: what everybody else seems to be doing better at. Find

1525
01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:24,080
Speaker 1: better people. Oh my gosh, this and the and obviously

1526
01:23:24,200 --> 01:23:29,559
Speaker 1: now the Houston Texans aren't any better. They were, I mean,

1527
01:23:29,640 --> 01:23:32,240
Speaker 1: I get it too. They hadn't four note they knew too.

1528
01:23:32,439 --> 01:23:34,760
Speaker 1: They were like, listen, you know what, let's this guy

1529
01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:37,000
Speaker 1: wants out of here. Let's accommodate. Please, let's get him

1530
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:38,880
Speaker 1: out of here. I get that. Now. That's at least

1531
01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:40,960
Speaker 1: a little better than saying, oh, we'll take him. They

1532
01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:43,320
Speaker 1: did pretty damn well all things considered, in terms of

1533
01:23:43,439 --> 01:23:46,360
Speaker 1: getting some form of compensation back for what equates to

1534
01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:49,160
Speaker 1: a franchise quarterback playing a bill. Now we understand why

1535
01:23:49,200 --> 01:23:50,800
Speaker 1: they were like, going, you know what we need, let's

1536
01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:53,840
Speaker 1: we ain't calling this guy for anything. Get him out.

1537
01:23:53,960 --> 01:23:56,240
Speaker 1: But he's too late. He's been out of town for

1538
01:23:56,280 --> 01:23:58,120
Speaker 1: a few months. But they're still not out from under.

1539
01:23:58,200 --> 01:24:02,160
Speaker 1: The black cloud was cast over the organization. Trying to

1540
01:24:02,240 --> 01:24:06,479
Speaker 1: acquiesce to some superstar guy like that has now got

1541
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:11,040
Speaker 1: them dirty. Now they can't get away from it. He's

1542
01:24:11,479 --> 01:24:16,200
Speaker 1: you can't get near this guy. I mean, obviously most

1543
01:24:16,240 --> 01:24:22,760
Speaker 1: of the things radioactive now radioactive. It's not gonna ground zero. Yeah,

1544
01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:24,960
Speaker 1: it doesn't look like he's gonna play football this year.

1545
01:24:25,040 --> 01:24:27,320
Speaker 1: And it may be that he has to apply for

1546
01:24:27,439 --> 01:24:35,280
Speaker 1: reinstatement after this year. I'm just it's unbelievable. You can't

1547
01:24:35,479 --> 01:24:37,960
Speaker 1: let him. And I was a player, I mean I

1548
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:40,400
Speaker 1: had you know, I'm I mean I was an idiot too,

1549
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:44,479
Speaker 1: but I mean not this big an idiot. But still

1550
01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:48,560
Speaker 1: you you can't let him do that. Somebody in that

1551
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:51,080
Speaker 1: organizations has to put their hand on your show. And

1552
01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:54,080
Speaker 1: it happened to me over less egregious things than this,

1553
01:24:54,120 --> 01:24:57,639
Speaker 1: but they happened to me. He said, listen, you can't know, like, Okay,

1554
01:24:57,880 --> 01:24:59,640
Speaker 1: I get you. You mean to get yes, that's right.

1555
01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:02,559
Speaker 1: You gotta do this. So you got to have somebody

1556
01:25:02,600 --> 01:25:05,040
Speaker 1: in there that's willing to stand up and say to

1557
01:25:05,120 --> 01:25:09,000
Speaker 1: a player, hey, hey, hey, let's try this instead. Let's

1558
01:25:09,320 --> 01:25:12,600
Speaker 1: do you can't do that, right, nobody's willing to do

1559
01:25:12,760 --> 01:25:16,040
Speaker 1: that in this case is just Shaun Watson. Yeah. People

1560
01:25:16,120 --> 01:25:18,160
Speaker 1: just get out of the way when it involves a

1561
01:25:18,240 --> 01:25:27,320
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback. So unfortunately, two organizations have compromised their principles

1562
01:25:28,439 --> 01:25:32,639
Speaker 1: to either a keep a franchise quarterback on the field

1563
01:25:32,840 --> 01:25:37,000
Speaker 1: or be a choir one. It's pretty it's pretty damning.

1564
01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:40,160
Speaker 1: I mean the whole thing. Yeah, and I get innocent

1565
01:25:40,200 --> 01:25:42,760
Speaker 1: until proven guilty. Right now, you say they enabled it.

1566
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:44,840
Speaker 1: They did all this stuff, the Texans did. It was obvious.

1567
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:47,000
Speaker 1: It's obvious now they were trying to wash their hands

1568
01:25:47,040 --> 01:25:48,320
Speaker 1: of the whole thing, and we're trying to do it

1569
01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:51,880
Speaker 1: and you know they got Now. I still think the

1570
01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:55,800
Speaker 1: Browns are worse than the Protections in this scenario. The

1571
01:25:55,880 --> 01:25:58,519
Speaker 1: Browns were trying that. The Browns were They paid him

1572
01:25:58,600 --> 01:26:01,000
Speaker 1: not to play, just stay out of the building. The Texans,

1573
01:26:01,240 --> 01:26:04,120
Speaker 1: the Texans, not the Browns. The Texans did now the Browns,

1574
01:26:05,040 --> 01:26:08,840
Speaker 1: so we want that guy, right. At least the Texans

1575
01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:10,400
Speaker 1: can say, listen, we knew we had a problem, we

1576
01:26:10,439 --> 01:26:12,479
Speaker 1: wanted amount of our organization. We did our best to

1577
01:26:12,520 --> 01:26:14,760
Speaker 1: get our compensation. We did it. Now we still can't

1578
01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:18,120
Speaker 1: extricate ourselves from that situation. We regret it. That would

1579
01:26:18,120 --> 01:26:22,320
Speaker 1: be an appropriate statement coming from the Texans right now. Yeah,

1580
01:26:23,080 --> 01:26:28,840
Speaker 1: the Browns, it's a full blown quagmire. It's just wow.

1581
01:26:30,320 --> 01:26:32,320
Speaker 1: We have to take a break here, Steve and I

1582
01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:34,320
Speaker 1: will wrap up your thoughts on the tweet sheet in

1583
01:26:34,439 --> 01:26:37,439
Speaker 1: terms of how long you think the Bills can keep

1584
01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:42,600
Speaker 1: their championship caliber window open. Choices are there for you

1585
01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:46,240
Speaker 1: on the twitter page at one Bills Live. But you

1586
01:26:46,360 --> 01:26:47,840
Speaker 1: let us know. We'll give you a couple more of

1587
01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:50,160
Speaker 1: your thoughts next here on one Bills Live presented by

1588
01:26:50,200 --> 01:27:04,680
Speaker 1: Kalida Health, It's Buffalo Bills Radio. Some final thoughts on

1589
01:27:04,760 --> 01:27:06,519
Speaker 1: the tweet sheet how long would the Bills keep their

1590
01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:11,040
Speaker 1: championship caliber window open? The runaway winner in the poll

1591
01:27:11,479 --> 01:27:17,240
Speaker 1: was as long as Josh is the quarterback. But Josh said,

1592
01:27:17,479 --> 01:27:19,080
Speaker 1: and this is not Josh Allen, but he said, I'd

1593
01:27:19,120 --> 01:27:20,559
Speaker 1: like to say as long as Josh is the QB.

1594
01:27:20,720 --> 01:27:23,719
Speaker 1: But expecting superstar type play game after game to carry

1595
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:27,160
Speaker 1: a team is not sustainable. Realistically, it's two to four years.

1596
01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:28,680
Speaker 1: Then it's up to being a company to work their

1597
01:27:28,720 --> 01:27:32,880
Speaker 1: magic and restructure, reload, resign. Josh can't be Atlas for

1598
01:27:33,040 --> 01:27:37,280
Speaker 1: us every season. There is some validity to that, oh absolutely.

1599
01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:41,600
Speaker 1: And if you want to remain competitive, that means with

1600
01:27:41,800 --> 01:27:47,000
Speaker 1: or without any given player, you gotta keep picking great players,

1601
01:27:47,080 --> 01:27:49,720
Speaker 1: you gotta keep building it. And we had had Joe

1602
01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:51,960
Speaker 1: Banner on earlier and he said there's a trend where

1603
01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:55,160
Speaker 1: now you can get better quicker because of the quality

1604
01:27:55,200 --> 01:27:58,280
Speaker 1: free agents that are available in any given year and

1605
01:27:58,439 --> 01:28:00,720
Speaker 1: the affordability with the cap go up as much as

1606
01:28:00,760 --> 01:28:02,920
Speaker 1: it is every year, and the cap has now started

1607
01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:07,720
Speaker 1: a skyrocket and be well, it's it's starting to rise

1608
01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:13,559
Speaker 1: in significant proportions every year so that you can fit one, two,

1609
01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:17,040
Speaker 1: three more players under the cap, and quality players at

1610
01:28:17,080 --> 01:28:20,559
Speaker 1: that so you can get some difference makers and pay

1611
01:28:20,600 --> 01:28:23,880
Speaker 1: them every year. And that's what good teams are going

1612
01:28:23,920 --> 01:28:26,000
Speaker 1: to start doing. It's but it's gonna be more competitive

1613
01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:27,920
Speaker 1: just like that. And the more teams that get on

1614
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:31,160
Speaker 1: that bandwagon, you know, oh we saw at this office,

1615
01:28:31,280 --> 01:28:33,200
Speaker 1: the more of the market is going to be you know,

1616
01:28:33,479 --> 01:28:37,000
Speaker 1: flooded with money rather than players. I mean, Russell Wilson trade,

1617
01:28:37,080 --> 01:28:39,760
Speaker 1: Khalil Mack trade, like teams in the AFC made a

1618
01:28:39,800 --> 01:28:43,320
Speaker 1: point von Miller switching teams again. They're going to be

1619
01:28:43,400 --> 01:28:45,760
Speaker 1: great players available and you know you got to be

1620
01:28:45,760 --> 01:28:48,720
Speaker 1: able to build a team around them. That's gonna do

1621
01:28:48,840 --> 01:28:51,120
Speaker 1: it for us. Here for this Monday edition of One

1622
01:28:51,200 --> 01:28:53,320
Speaker 1: Bill's Live, Steve and I will be right back here,

1623
01:28:53,439 --> 01:28:57,960
Speaker 1: same bad time, same bad channel tomorrow, So we look

1624
01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:00,960
Speaker 1: forward to seeing you then, as Steve and I have

1625
01:29:01,200 --> 01:29:04,400
Speaker 1: one more show for you this week before we take

1626
01:29:04,439 --> 01:29:07,000
Speaker 1: a break ourselves it's One Bill's Live, presented by a

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Speaker 1: Collida Health. It's Buffalo Bills Radio. We'll see you tomorrow.