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Speaker 1: table read was happening, and so and they said to

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00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,639
Speaker 1: me that they've been looking everywhere and they hadn't been

429
00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,200
Speaker 1: able to find anybody to play this kid. And so

430
00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:38,720
Speaker 1: I was I got on the plane with my mom.

431
00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,960
Speaker 1: Literally the script had been fed X to me, you know,

432
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:45,199
Speaker 1: way pre email had been FedEx to me, and I

433
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,000
Speaker 1: was reading it on the plane, highlighting the lines, and

434
00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:52,840
Speaker 1: it suddenly became a very stressful experience because I realized that,

435
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:54,960
Speaker 1: you know, I had never said these lines before to

436
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:59,080
Speaker 1: a casting director, to Michael. And even though they given

437
00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:00,720
Speaker 1: me this part quote on quote, I knew if I

438
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:02,600
Speaker 1: didn't get it right that I would be back on

439
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,320
Speaker 1: the plane headed back to North Carolina very quickly, because

440
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:07,680
Speaker 1: you know, I knew Michael, and I know he expects

441
00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:09,720
Speaker 1: it to be funny and so, um, I was a

442
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 1: bit stressed going into the table read. We landed, went

443
00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:14,879
Speaker 1: right into the table read, and I said that first line,

444
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 1: which was am I misremembering was killer be the first

445
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,359
Speaker 1: episode that no, you are not misremembering, this is the

446
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,239
Speaker 1: first one that I did. Okay. So I as I

447
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:27,600
Speaker 1: was watching the episode, I remembered like saying that first

448
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:29,600
Speaker 1: line at the table read and I say that out

449
00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:31,200
Speaker 1: when I get hit in the back of the head,

450
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 1: and it got a huge laugh. And as soon as

451
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:37,320
Speaker 1: I got that laugh, I just I was like, Okay,

452
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,840
Speaker 1: I can do this. I can do this. Yeah. So

453
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:43,440
Speaker 1: I think only you and Bill Daniels were offered the

454
00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 1: role on Boy Me Tworld. Everybody else I think had

455
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:55,199
Speaker 1: to audition, but Leon Orris and exactly pretty exactly good company.

456
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,679
Speaker 1: To be in good company, I'll take it. And so

457
00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,200
Speaker 1: you you know, we have talked on this show lot

458
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,400
Speaker 1: about the death chair and that there was that death chair.

459
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,880
Speaker 1: You having already been on the Tortil Sens with Michael,

460
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 1: did you already know of the version of the death

461
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 1: chair from the Tortal Sens, Like, had you because you

462
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,200
Speaker 1: had already kind of seen that happen. I did, well,

463
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I lost two siblings, so I saw, you know,

464
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:21,479
Speaker 1: I saw things happen but rest in peace, and they

465
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,199
Speaker 1: were wonderful, you know. And then I and then I

466
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,119
Speaker 1: had my own my own dance with sort of the

467
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 1: death chair later. So, I mean I understood it was

468
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,160
Speaker 1: a business like I I knew what was going on. Um,

469
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,679
Speaker 1: but Michael was he Look, he changed my life. I

470
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 1: mean he he gave me that opportunity on the Tortal

471
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 1: Sens and he brought me back to bloo Meat's world.

472
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 1: And um, you know, I was just a kid from

473
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 1: North Carolina. You could still hear the accident come through,

474
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 1: and I was you know, was certainly not winning any Emmys.

475
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 1: We were finding our way. But he just he recognized

476
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 1: I think my instincts and he knew how to talk

477
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 1: to me and and get me to where he wanted

478
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,919
Speaker 1: me to be. And it was always so you know,

479
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 1: I'm grateful to so we we we have been marveling

480
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:10,879
Speaker 1: at your performance here. So good. You arrive fully formed

481
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 1: as a character. It's it could so easily be like

482
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:17,479
Speaker 1: a cliche, and you just managed to imbue it with

483
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:21,440
Speaker 1: such humanity. It's so funny. You're so sweet and yet

484
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 1: you know it's just great man. It's you are truly

485
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 1: and you are you have such a I mean I

486
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 1: said this when we first you arrive as as an

487
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 1: amazing comedian, act, community actor and like I feel like

488
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:34,879
Speaker 1: the rest of us are kind of flailing around, and

489
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,919
Speaker 1: I can It's so funny. I can hear you know,

490
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 1: Like there are times when I could see Ben and

491
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 1: I remember like him kind of not knowing what he

492
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 1: was doing, which is also part of Corey, right, But

493
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,400
Speaker 1: like with you, you are so confident and in control

494
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,119
Speaker 1: of every senior in and with every actor that you're

495
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 1: up against. It is wonderful to watch. And and you

496
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 1: just think, this tiny little kid, it's cute, man, But

497
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 1: you are You're so You're so comfortable in your skin.

498
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 1: You're even your physicality is very like commanding. Even though

499
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 1: you are a small you were a small child, you

500
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 1: have a commanding presence. You are so in your skin

501
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 1: and so sure of yourself. Uh it is. You are

502
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 1: just such a delight to watch in every episode when

503
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: you were in the episodes, I cannot take my eyes

504
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 1: off you. The thing that amazed me, especially about this

505
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 1: first episode about Killer that when we were just talking

506
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 1: about Killer Bees, which we are watching, well, we're watching

507
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:26,679
Speaker 1: in order, but we shot out of order. So this

508
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: is the first time that we actually were together. If

509
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 1: you didn't know anything about boy Mes World, you could

510
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 1: easily think that you were the star of this show. Yeah,

511
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 1: this show was built around mincus and cons like, this

512
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,679
Speaker 1: is what the show is about, and this is going

513
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: to be what it's like. I was just sitting there

514
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 1: watching it, going like, oh, he easily could have been

515
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 1: the star of the show. Well, thank god, I thank

516
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 1: god I wasn't, is all I have to say, because

517
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,640
Speaker 1: I mean, major props and respect to Ben. I mean,

518
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 1: I was just I'm marveled at his ability to carry

519
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 1: the show. It was incredible, and I'm I'm glad that

520
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 1: I wasn't at the center because I frankly I don't

521
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 1: know how he did it. And and you to you all,

522
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 1: I mean, this is really high praise coming from you guys,

523
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,360
Speaker 1: because I'm going back and watching it and of course

524
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 1: I'm cringing at some of the things I'm doing. But writer,

525
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 1: you were so natural and Will You're just hysterical, and

526
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,119
Speaker 1: and Danielle. Without you being there, I was like, this

527
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:24,120
Speaker 1: show was terrible. Where is she? So you know, it's

528
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 1: the feeling of love is is mutual, and you know,

529
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 1: I really appreciate it, but you were just my god,

530
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 1: the natural talent was was there from this And again

531
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 1: we talked about this all the time. We're, as a

532
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 1: writer said, we're just trying to find ourselves, especially like

533
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 1: Eric really didn't have a character to Pango was supposed

534
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 1: to be on one episode, writer had like a line

535
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,120
Speaker 1: or two. We're just trying to figure out what we're doing,

536
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,399
Speaker 1: what we're there, and then Mincas comes in. It's like, oh,

537
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 1: I get him right away, Like you knew Mincus right away. Well,

538
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,919
Speaker 1: I love that that Mincus is the quote unquote nerd character.

539
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 1: But my favorite part of you as the as the

540
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: actor is that you didn't take ish from anybody, like

541
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 1: you were the first person to have a comeback and

542
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 1: to have a response. And I just how did you like? What?

543
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: To who is Minkus to you? What? What? How did

544
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 1: you think of him? I never thought, of course, I

545
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,439
Speaker 1: never thought of him as a nerd. I thought of

546
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 1: him as a kid who had um great parents who

547
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: loved him and told him he was get on the block,

548
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: you know, like that he and not that he was

549
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: better than anybody else, but just that he was just

550
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,120
Speaker 1: as good as anyone else, you know, and that um

551
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: that his thing that he loved was was was learning,

552
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 1: you know, that he loved to learn. And I shared

553
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 1: that in common with him, I am not not nearly

554
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 1: as smart as he was at all, but I certainly

555
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 1: could relate to that. And I also could relate to

556
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 1: um not necessarily being the most popular kid in school,

557
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: but but feeling good about who I was, and that

558
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: I that I've kind of floated between different groups, and

559
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: I loved everybody, and and so I sort of let

560
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: that confidence infuse him because I think the last thing

561
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: anybody wanted to watch was, you know, a nerd get

562
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 1: hit in the back of the head and didn't feel

563
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,479
Speaker 1: really sorry for himself, you know what I mean, nobody.

564
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: I think everybody just wanted to you know, loved him

565
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: because he was a likable guy who just did his

566
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: thing and knew he was going to find his way.

567
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,880
Speaker 1: So that's that's, you know, how I played him. We've

568
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,239
Speaker 1: talked a little bit about UM, a real little bit

569
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: about what our experience was before starting Boy Meats World.

570
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: Writer had already had quite a bit of acting experience,

571
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 1: had already been on a show. He was a little

572
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: jaded already going into Boy Meats World. Will's entire life

573
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: all he wanted was to be on a sitcom. So

574
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: this was a dream come true for him, and I

575
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: had literally done nothing except like a few commercials and

576
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: what two episodes of Full House, So I was very

577
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: very new. What was your Do you remember your first

578
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: impression of all of us the first time you met us?

579
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: You had you were very experienced, having already been on

580
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: two other shows that had been successful in their own right.

581
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: And but and yet I was intimidated because you know,

582
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: again I had been told similarly Danielle one or two

583
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: episodes tops I was not expecting to be there. I

584
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: was that true. You were You weren't immediately hired as

585
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: a regular opening opening I know that that came later.

586
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: So we we filmed those first two episodes, and during

587
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: the filming of this second episode, they started coming to

588
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 1: my mom and saying, we we want to talk about

589
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: making him a regular. It felt great, um and and

590
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: so um. Because of that, I just came in meeting everybody,

591
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 1: not knowing that, you know, I would get to form

592
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: any really deep relationships. But I just remember Ben was

593
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 1: very kind and sort of what just building on what

594
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: I said, I was so taken aback of his day

595
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,239
Speaker 1: was scheduled, like he was either on set or in

596
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: school or doing an interview. Or something, and I just

597
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: kind of marveled at that, and he was he was

598
00:29:56,120 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: very kind to me, which I appreciated. I was by

599
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: how intellectual you were. I mean, you were just a

600
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: smart guy, and you had your older brother, and you

601
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: were just much more worldly than I was. And I

602
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: just thought you were so cool. And you know, I

603
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: just was really impressed with you all together. And Will

604
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: I loved you right away. I felt like we had

605
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 1: a very um, maybe an East Coast sensibility or kind

606
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: of a vibe, but not that kindecicet in North Carolina

607
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: are the same. Yeah, it's kind of kind of an

608
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 1: East Coast thing. Close with your family and you know,

609
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: just really um, you were just such a nice guy

610
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: and hysterical. And I remember we you know later would

611
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 1: come to live at the oak Wood, and I just

612
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: I will never forget as long as I live, that

613
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 1: huge earthquake hitting the same thing. I was thinking about

614
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: the same story before the Fugitive episode the Fugitive, I

615
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: actually missed it because I was up north and I

616
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 1: was flying in that day. But you guys were the

617
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: oak Woods together, right, Yeah, that's right. So my building

618
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: was like just down the hill from Wills and and

619
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: I remember there was like a guard there was like

620
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: a guard gate to get on the property. And I'll

621
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: never forget like coming back to work and hearing that,

622
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: like the guard at the Oakwood freaked out because Will

623
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: and his roommate when we lost power, turned on their

624
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: gas logs to try to provide light in the apartment,

625
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: and the guard like high up to their apartment and

626
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: like out of breaths, like turning your gas logs off,

627
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: and we hear the East Coasters. We had no idea,

628
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: no we needed light. So there was an earthquake, we

629
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: had no power, turn on gas fire. That seems like

630
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: the most appropriate thing to do. There's two guards banging

631
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: on our door holding fire extinguishers, thinking that the whole

632
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: building is on fire. We're like, sorry, we didn't know.

633
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: That's hysterical. So do you guys? Were you both woken

634
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: up by the earthquake? Because it was never on the

635
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 1: phone with each other. We remember your your your mom

636
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: and I and we were all talking about like, all right,

637
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: what do we do now? Like what's what's the plan?

638
00:31:55,880 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: We had no power? Experience possible? Right? Were both like

639
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: the like the third month we were there something like that.

640
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: The second or third month we lived in Los Angeles.

641
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: It was it was quite a way to literally wake

642
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: up in the morning. And so that earthquake was How

643
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,239
Speaker 1: old were you lee at the time it was? I

644
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: think I was in turning twelve. I'm not a math guy,

645
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: I believe it or not. So yeah, so I think

646
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: you were even a little bit younger than all of

647
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: us because I was. I thought I was the youngest

648
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: at twelve. I think you were just slightly younger than me.

649
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: I may have started, I was. I either started at

650
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: eleven or started at twelve. I don't, but I want

651
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: to say twelve, Okay, same months, Okay, September Okay, I

652
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: was born in May. So I'm just a few years

653
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: older than you. Okay, a few months, not a few years.

654
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: Few months older okay. Wow. And so so that puts

655
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: me two years or at least a year and a

656
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: half older than you, which is significant at that age. Yeah.

657
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: And Ben was somewhere in between two and benc Yeah.

658
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: Ben is also in September of eighty one, right, I

659
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 1: he I think he is. I think he. I mean

660
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: his birthday is definitely and all right, so a year

661
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: year older. I remembered feeling, you know, younger, and then

662
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: to just continue on. Danielle. When you came in, I

663
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: just I was like, this is my this is my person.

664
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: Like we had school together, we had the same teacher,

665
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: and you were just so friendly, and your mom was

666
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: and all of your mom's will I don't I don't

667
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: think I got to to hang out with yours. My

668
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: parents who pop in and out. Yeah, yeah, but everybody's

669
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: mom's were so great. It was just a family, truly

670
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: a family thing. It was. It was great. Yeah. I

671
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 1: remember your mom very well, and I remember her her

672
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: beautiful accent, and she she called your dad Boogie. That's

673
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: that was that's my dad's name. And she would say

674
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: she would say, well Boogie, And I just every time

675
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: she'd say anything, I think I could listen to you

676
00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 1: read anything just so soothing and so sweet. And it

677
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: was so obvious that your family was so close and

678
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: you were so supported and loved, and um, you know

679
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: you did you always you kind of made all of

680
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: us in the nicest way. You weren't intentionally doing it,

681
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: but you made all of us look bad because you

682
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 1: did have such great manners, and you would say, hell,

683
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 1: you would be like you were so polite and and

684
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 1: so on top of it, you were so professional and yeah,

685
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 1: I mean, man, I am I remembering correctly that you

686
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: you could sing really well too. Uh well, you're kind

687
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: I mean I did sing. I wouldn't sing very well,

688
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, I mean I remember that. For some reason,

689
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 1: I have this indelible memory of you, like singing on

690
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 1: set or like talking about music all the time. Like

691
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 1: I just remember being like, no, I did I did,

692
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 1: like seeing I did. Later in college, I was in

693
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 1: an acapella group. I was never going to cut a

694
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 1: record deal, but you know, I enjoyed it, Okay, I

695
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: gotta know, because they always have the best names, like

696
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: chock full of notes. So what was your acapella group name? Yeah,

697
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,720
Speaker 1: of course we were called Inny Window. And the reason

698
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: we were called that is because we were the first

699
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 1: co ed acapella group on campus. So we were like

700
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 1: the sketchy acapella kids that had female and males in

701
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: the same group in a in a southern college. So yeah,

702
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 1: I love it. Let's talk about then you were on

703
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: the first season. How many episodes do you know about

704
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,240
Speaker 1: how many episodes you did in the first season? What

705
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: what was the total number was it twenty two you

706
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: like that? Of the of the first season? I think

707
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,479
Speaker 1: we did. There were twenty two. Yeah, so I wasn't

708
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,399
Speaker 1: in the was it? Okay? I can't remember. So I

709
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 1: wasn't in the pilot, And I think there was like

710
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: one other that I wasn't in where they brought Rue

711
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 1: McClanahan in and like they couldn't afford me that week

712
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: or so ye a rolling Stone, right, Yeah, So I

713
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 1: didn't do those two, but I think everything it was

714
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 1: in all the other I think so. Actually, technically you

715
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: were in all of them because even in the pilot,

716
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: you're in the opening title sequence, so you see there

717
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: Norris right there, and then there's people are like what

718
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,720
Speaker 1: he wasn't not why he wasn't in the first episode?

719
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: To what happened at the end of the first season,

720
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: and how when what was that conversation? How did you

721
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 1: find out you weren't going to be in season two?

722
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: And what was that dialogue? Because I've never known the story? Yeah,

723
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: you know you you all may know more than I do,

724
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, I mean it. When I left,

725
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: I left on good terms, feeling great about what the

726
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,240
Speaker 1: work we've done. It felt like the show was doing well,

727
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: and I felt like I had contributed and done my part,

728
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: and nobody was coming up to me saying, you know,

729
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: I'm going to be back. Um. So as far as

730
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: I when I was saying goodbye to you guys, I

731
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: just thought, well, I'll see you in a couple of months. UM.

732
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,839
Speaker 1: And it wasn't right away, but I you know, at

733
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: some point again, I got a phone call at home

734
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 1: and UM, it wasn't Michael, it was another one of

735
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: the producers and they just said, we love wee. He's

736
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: done incredible, but we're not bringing him back. And UM,

737
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 1: and I think what I what we were told? They

738
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,479
Speaker 1: didn't talk to me they Um. What how asked along

739
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: to me was that you know, Friends was doing really

740
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: well and that ABC wanted to age the show up

741
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: and that you know I have this perpetual baby face,

742
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 1: are better or worse, and so that I just did

743
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: old and continue on. And I certainly accepted that. UM,

744
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: but it didn't I didn't really understand it, and my

745
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: gut it didn't necessarily feel like maybe the whole story

746
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,879
Speaker 1: and maybe it was. I don't know. UM. For for

747
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,800
Speaker 1: anybody listening, what I would say is the best sitting

748
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 1: here as a forty year old and and knowing that honestly,

749
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: it really doesn't even matter at this point, Like what

750
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: what The lesson that that this taught me at a

751
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: really young age is that, especially as an actor, because

752
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: we all go through this, you can put your heart

753
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:49,280
Speaker 1: and soul into something, you know, do a pretty and

754
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 1: and things can still not work out the way that

755
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: you think because of any other number of circumstances or

756
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: reasons that are beyond your control. And at twelve, that

757
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: was a hard thing to learn. I need it. We

758
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 1: of course, I was like, well, what did I do wrong?

759
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: It must have been something you and your parents getting

760
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 1: a divorce. You're like, you blame yourself, you know, we

761
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: just immediately think that you did something, and um, you know.

762
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: It taught me a valuable lesson early, and I think

763
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: anybody listening can identify with that, whether you're an actor

764
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 1: or not, whether you're putting your all into a relationship

765
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: or you work at a bank or whatever, there's things

766
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 1: that happened, and it just there are things out of

767
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,879
Speaker 1: your control. All you can control was what you do.

768
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, I heard so I heard a story

769
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: that I don't know if this is true or not,

770
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: but this is the story that I heard. I heard

771
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: that ABC because the lead in was Family Matters and

772
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: Family Matters big breakout star who was also not starting

773
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: on that did not start in the show was Julia

774
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: White as Erkele, and so they did. ABC did not

775
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: want to have two shows back to back. That quote

776
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: unquote featured a nerd. Wasn't the story that I heard.

777
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: And I heard that years after because I don't want

778
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: to speak for Danielle and Ryder, but none of us

779
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: knew you weren't going to be on the seconds, Like

780
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: I don't think we all thought you were coming back.

781
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: And then it was nobody calls and because we're we're kids,

782
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: so nobody calls and says we're going to change the

783
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: show or this person is not coming. You just show

784
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: up at the table read and you look around, you go, wait,

785
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: where's Lee? Like that's exactly I knew anything. I heard

786
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: different things. I think I heard a version of that.

787
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:26,879
Speaker 1: And then later when I came back to do Girl

788
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: Meets World, you know, Michael took my wife and I

789
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: out to dinner and we had a really lovely conversation

790
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 1: and I'm sure part of this was that he was

791
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: trying to get me to do grow meats were all

792
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 1: you know. Again, I would just say, the best feeling

793
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 1: is that ultimately lay mentorl didn't need me. This show

794
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 1: wasn't you guys were amazing and and and luckily for me, um,

795
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: you know, things worked out. I was able to go

796
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: on and do other shows and move on with my life.

797
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: And it just taught me so early on that your

798
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: your self worth and your value cannot be wrapped up

799
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 1: in being a and kid actor or it'll or it'll

800
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 1: crush you, you know. And so I I learned that

801
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: really quickly, and I'm you know, for better or worse,

802
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 1: I'm glad that I learned it because it's helped me

803
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 1: a lot over the course of my life. Yeah, well

804
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,720
Speaker 1: we missed you, we really did. Thanks well, we found

805
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: reasons to get back to It's been good. Hold on,

806
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: I want to jump in real quickly. Do you still

807
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 1: get recognized for mankas? Like when you get recognized is

808
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: it mostly mincas even or one treat? What? Which is? Uh?

809
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: It depends on the age. But I'll always get recognized

810
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 1: for me because two weeks ago I was running through

811
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 1: the airport late for a flight you know, doing the

812
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: home alone dash through the airport and I hear someone, YEO,

813
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,720
Speaker 1: hold the plane for Mancas, you know, as I'm like running,

814
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: and you know, it's just I wanted to give him

815
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 1: a peace sign on the way. I just know it

816
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 1: will always be there. But I'm so I'm so proud

817
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: of it, and I'm grateful. You know, I'm sorry. I

818
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: need to call right now, absolutely, please bracket this. I

819
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 1: need a hold the plane for Mancas shirt. I want

820
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:18,760
Speaker 1: one of those, because that's awesome, that's amazing. Love that. Okay,

821
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 1: So I want to I want to jump back in

822
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: and Lee, you don't have to answer this question if

823
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,959
Speaker 1: you don't want, but I have to ask. Michael called

824
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 1: you with good news, called you for the Charcoal Sins.

825
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,399
Speaker 1: He called you to offer you Girl Meets World. Did

826
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 1: you ever hear from Michael after they decided to let

827
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 1: you go after season one? Yeah? I think I think

828
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: he called at some point. He wasn't the initial phone call, um,

829
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: but yeah, no he called, and and you know there

830
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: was something about we're going to find another show for you,

831
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,439
Speaker 1: you know, and you know, you just you just take

832
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 1: it all in, and you know, I just had to

833
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: go back to school, get back into my routine. Of course,

834
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: all my friends were watching Boy Meets World, so you know, like,

835
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 1: what where are you? You know, that must have been

836
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: so hard. It was tough, but you know, you just

837
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,280
Speaker 1: you have to pick up and move on with your life.

838
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: And um, and now looking back, I'm just I'm grateful

839
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: that I got to be part of it, even if

840
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 1: it was for a year, and then to come back

841
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: and do the other stuff it was it was really

842
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: cool and interesting to come back and do the graduation episode.

843
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 1: It's like a totally different show. I mean it just

844
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: felt the set and every and just I mean obviously

845
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 1: you guys have aged, and you know, there weren't parents

846
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 1: running around everywhere. It was different exactly. So tell us

847
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: then a little bit about the decision to come back

848
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: and do a few episodes of Girl Meets World. What

849
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: did you have to think about it? Was it an

850
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 1: immediate yes? Like what was the process for you? Yeah? No,

851
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 1: I Um, I mean of course I was humbled and

852
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: flattered when they asked, and um, I wasn't sure. It

853
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,959
Speaker 1: wasn't um, it wasn't like a no or yes right away.

854
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 1: I was just thinking about it. And of course Michael

855
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: was like, let's go to dinner, and because I was

856
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: in l A and so you know, we went out

857
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: to dinner and he again said some very nice things

858
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: and said we never should have let you go. You

859
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 1: should we should have kept you on the show all

860
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: the stuff, which is really nicely, truly nice, absolutely true.

861
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: Should have It was very kind, and um, you know,

862
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 1: he I just said, look, you know, I tell me

863
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: about what you're planning to do with the character. And

864
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 1: he told me about the character of Farcle and told

865
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: me how great Corey was, and um, you know, just

866
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: I thought this could be really be cool. And this

867
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: was before I was an actual dad in real life,

868
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 1: but I knew that I wanted to be a dad,

869
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 1: and I thought, how great would this be eventually to

870
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 1: be able to show you know, hopefully my kid and

871
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: and show him season one of Boy Meets World, which

872
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 1: I can't wait too. He's going to get a kick

873
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: out of that and be a long time before I

874
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: let him watch One Tree Hill or Zodiac. So that's goodness. Um,

875
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,479
Speaker 1: so I'll show him that to start with, gone, girl,

876
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 1: You're not my wife would not be bleased. So um,

877
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 1: so you know, I can't wait for him to watch

878
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: Boy and a Girl. I mean, that's it's really special

879
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,720
Speaker 1: to be able to have something like that. And um,

880
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: it was so much fun. I mean, Corey got but

881
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: all of those kids were just incredibly talented and had

882
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 1: it so much more together than I did. I mean

883
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: I just was really blown away at how smart they

884
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:19,280
Speaker 1: were and what gifted actors they were, so, um, really

885
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: really fun and it was just fun to get to

886
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 1: see you guys. I missed you. I mean it really

887
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: was a bummer. I mean I felt like anytime I

888
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 1: see you guys, I sort of I feel like I'm

889
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: twelve again. But we had this really kind of formative

890
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: experience and of course it went on for you all.

891
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 1: But um, you know I did. I did miss you guys,

892
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: and so I feel like I shared that with you

893
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,479
Speaker 1: and and and even if it is just for a year,

894
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: and so it's always fun to get together and have

895
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: that that bond, you know, just seeing us all together,

896
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 1: I literally feel like I feel like we no time

897
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 1: have passed it, and I just want to keep I

898
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 1: want to keep the feeling like I want to do

899
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: it all the time we can. Um, I have a

900
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 1: I have a an acting question for you from from

901
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: an acting standpoint. As a actor, did you feel more

902
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:05,919
Speaker 1: connected to Almost Home in the Torkleson's or to boy

903
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 1: Mew World. Um, I gosh, that's a tough question. Well,

904
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: I I mean I felt connected to them for different reasons.

905
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 1: I felt connected to the Torto Sens because I was

906
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: playing a Southern kid, so and I was a Southern kid,

907
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,800
Speaker 1: so you know, there was no hiding the accent um.

908
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: But the Tortal Sens was a single mom and it

909
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: was a very different family dynamic than what I had.

910
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: Um And I think you know, by the time I

911
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: was playing Minkas, I was twelve, and there's a there's

912
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: a there's a lot of growing up that happens between

913
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 1: nine and twelve, and so I felt much more aware

914
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 1: and understanding of a lot more things. And so you know,

915
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 1: I was processing things differently, really thinking about Minkas as

916
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 1: a character, whereas I feel like with the Tortal Sins,

917
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: a lot of it was probably just a heightened version

918
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 1: of me. With Again, with Faith Glass, I always had

919
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: faith glasses. Whatever show I did, I never wore glasses,

920
00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: so you know that was always amazing. But um so

921
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 1: reverse Clark Kent, the Reverse Clark can always, and you know,

922
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: they made me wear them for every run threw. It

923
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 1: was like I had to have them all and like

924
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:09,800
Speaker 1: I would get headaches because the lights would like shoot

925
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 1: the light into my eyes, and like by the end

926
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:14,760
Speaker 1: of the run through, i'd like, you know, be taking

927
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: to Advilain, like you know, going home, back to the

928
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: oak Wood. But um, anyway, so a great question, but

929
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: I I think just by the time I got to

930
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: play Mincas, I was really thinking about it more from

931
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: an acting standpoint of this is a character. I mean,

932
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,879
Speaker 1: you guys knew me. I. I shared treats with him,

933
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 1: but he I'm not Mincas and vice versa. And um,

934
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: so I really enjoyed getting in his skin and figuring

935
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:42,320
Speaker 1: out like that type posture and you know he speaks

936
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,399
Speaker 1: of the very rhythmic and punching and that's not really me.

937
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:47,839
Speaker 1: So it was really fun to get to do that.

938
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 1: Like I loved doing that. Do you have any specific

939
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 1: favorite stories from your time on Boy Meats World, Like

940
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: a favorite moment, a favorite behind the scenes memory, have

941
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 1: so many. I mean I think film every filming, every

942
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: episode was really fun. Um. The the episode where minkus

943
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 1: Um gets drunk on you who because he gets the

944
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: math problem wrong and it's like, you know, oh man,

945
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 1: I forgot about it. And that was that was like

946
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: an incredible and that was a roller coaster because that

947
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 1: was another one where Michael wasn't thrilled with where it

948
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: was after the first run through, and it was a

949
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 1: lot of working and reworking to get it right. And

950
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 1: then it when we got it in front of the audience,

951
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: luckily it it worked. Um. So that was really fun um.

952
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: And then you know, off camera, I just remember the

953
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: times we all got to hang out as kids was

954
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: just a blast. I remember, like writer, I think we

955
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: went on a trip, you and Ben and I went

956
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: we went like snow skiing or something, and oh you

957
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: were on this yes, and you went like did you

958
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: like bungee jump? I was like geez, I mean it

959
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,280
Speaker 1: was really growing up for me because I didn't have sibling,

960
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: I didn't have older siblings, and so I really viewed

961
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: you guys is like sort of older brothers in a way,

962
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:05,320
Speaker 1: really turning me onto things that I was not thinking about.

963
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: Bungee jumping and a sense of the any sense of

964
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 1: the no, of course that did you ski? Yeah? So

965
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 1: we did that and then at Danielle. I have a

966
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: really weird memory of you and I like on a

967
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:26,240
Speaker 1: bus going to I think they shut Disneyland down or something,

968
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 1: and you and I were like in our own little world.

969
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: I remember we were sitting on the bus, like playing

970
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 1: this game that we had come up with where we

971
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,760
Speaker 1: just looked at each other and we had to guess

972
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 1: the word that the other person was thinking. And so

973
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: I would say, like rabbit, and you would be like, yes,

974
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 1: it was rabbit. You're testing your psychic powers. Like what

975
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, just stupid, stupid, twelve year old stuff.

976
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 1: But we were having so much fun. That must have

977
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: been the holiday at Disneyland. For every holiday season they

978
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 1: closed down Disneyland after five pm and open it up

979
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:03,280
Speaker 1: for just Disney employees, um, and it becomes an amazing

980
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:06,439
Speaker 1: season and they would bust us down. Our entire cast

981
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: and crew would get to go down in a bus.

982
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,399
Speaker 1: It was like one of my favorite days of every year.

983
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 1: One of the best perks of working for Disney was

984
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 1: so much fun. You know. What I remember, Lee was

985
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 1: that we would always play football and basketball out And

986
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 1: then the thing that's really funny is we did a

987
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: press day recently and Entertainment tonight holed up footage they

988
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: have almost actually playing, but it is. It's all of

989
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 1: us actually playing. And the funniest, funniest part was there's

990
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 1: like five of us out there, four of us out

991
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: there playing basketball. We play for a good minute, minute

992
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 1: and a half and no one makes a basket. They

993
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: eventually just started shooting you guys with cutting the basket

994
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 1: like out of the shot, so that it just didn't

995
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: know if you guys were making it. Hole. This is

996
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 1: why we're actors. Yeah, I want to talk to you

997
00:49:55,840 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 1: about your development as an actor post Boymates World, like

998
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: because you went on to do more dramatic stuff and

999
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 1: then of course, you know, if you think about the

1000
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 1: uh you know, the spectrum from Boy Meat's World to

1001
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 1: David Fincher films, Uh, that's pretty wide and you fit

1002
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,720
Speaker 1: into both. So I'm curious, like, when did you start

1003
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,720
Speaker 1: to realize the difference, like the different styles of acting

1004
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: or because up until not to go until boy Meets World,

1005
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: I'm assuming you had only done sitcoms. So how did

1006
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: that happen? How did you grow as an actor post

1007
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: boy Meets World? Um, you know, it's it's interesting when

1008
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 1: I came back to North Carolina. I kept, you know,

1009
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,760
Speaker 1: I was back in school, but I kept auditioning for things.

1010
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 1: And this was in the nineties when I think I

1011
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: heard you talk about this oppressive Like all the TV

1012
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 1: movies were in vogue, you know, in the nineties, and

1013
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 1: so that was what a lot of what was coming

1014
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,280
Speaker 1: to North Carolina at the time. So I started getting

1015
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 1: hired to play these like battered and abused kids in

1016
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:53,720
Speaker 1: these sad nineties TV movies. Um. But a very special

1017
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 1: movie of the week, very special movie of the week

1018
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 1: with like you know, Judith Light and Lindsay Wagner and

1019
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 1: Christopher Reeve and really know just but and and it

1020
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 1: was of course corny and and probably terrible, but it

1021
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 1: was my first taste of like doing dramatic stuff and

1022
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 1: not doing sitcom stuff. And I really got to see

1023
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 1: like the difference in you know, between what I had

1024
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,839
Speaker 1: done on the sitcoms and what was going on there. Um.

1025
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 1: So that was sort of my first introduction to it. Um.

1026
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: And you know, I went on to college. I went

1027
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: to Wake Forest and I did theater. I didn't study theater,

1028
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 1: but I participated in theater at wake Forest and got

1029
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 1: to do Midsummer Night's Stream and really got to really

1030
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: have more of a real training because I've never had training.

1031
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: So that was really my first taste of like really studying, um,

1032
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 1: you know, Shakespeare and all of that, and so that

1033
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 1: that really helps me out a lot and just gave

1034
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:46,839
Speaker 1: me a lot of good life experience too, as as

1035
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure you all know it's important to

1036
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 1: have that aspect as well. What did you study? What

1037
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 1: did you major? And I studied English. I was in

1038
00:51:55,000 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: English major. Yeah no math, no math now, but um,

1039
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: so all of that I think helped. And and you know,

1040
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 1: really when when I was fortunate enough to book Wintree Hill,

1041
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:11,359
Speaker 1: um that that really you know, at tend your show,

1042
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: you're you're you get comfortable with drama and I got

1043
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: to mix in comedy as well. But the Fincher movies

1044
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:20,359
Speaker 1: came up during that period, and uh, just I just

1045
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: felt so grateful. They're small parts, but just to even

1046
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 1: have that time with him and um work with incredible

1047
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 1: actors like that was just mind blowing. And yeah, I'm

1048
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 1: really grateful for every aspect of of what I've been

1049
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: able to do. It's just been from Boy Meets World

1050
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 1: to all of this, the different experiences just teach you

1051
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 1: so much and it's it's incredible. We got to talk

1052
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 1: about first, David Fincher talk to you about your work

1053
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: on Boy Meets World. Does David Fincher you know of

1054
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 1: Boy Meets World? He was, he must know. I we

1055
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 1: didn't specifically talk about it, but David Fincher is a

1056
00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:01,840
Speaker 1: fan of actors. He loves actors, and he loves making

1057
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 1: unconventional choices, taking from someone you know, like a Neil

1058
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: Patrick Harris and putting him in Gone Girl. And he really,

1059
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 1: you know, values actors and believes that that they can

1060
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: do more than whatever they've been pegged, you know, in

1061
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 1: the TV show. And thank god that someone like him exists, because,

1062
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: as you all know, that's what we're all fighting most

1063
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:23,799
Speaker 1: of the time after we've done something like that. But

1064
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 1: he was also notorious for like hundred and fifty takes.

1065
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 1: He's one of those kinds of guys. Right, Do you

1066
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 1: have like a great Fincher like a long night story? Yeah, Well,

1067
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 1: of course. My very first shot in Zodie, it's the

1068
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 1: opening of the movie to Zodiac. I run up to

1069
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 1: the car and there's a girl driving the car and

1070
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 1: I leaned my head in the window and I say

1071
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: something like I don't know where have you? What's taking

1072
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: you so long? Or you're late or something. And we

1073
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 1: shot at seventy six times and it's literally was the

1074
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 1: most deflating thing. I'm walking back resetting every time, and

1075
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 1: they're backing the car up and they're pulling it back

1076
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 1: in and I'm you know, and every and I think

1077
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 1: it was right. You might appreciate this. I think it

1078
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 1: was the first film that was fully shot on a

1079
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 1: red camera, I like, fully digital, And so that was

1080
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 1: an interesting thing too, because we would do all these

1081
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 1: takes and then I would hear him say delete, and

1082
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:20,720
Speaker 1: as he would delete them, and it would of course

1083
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:23,919
Speaker 1: crush my soul because I'm like, what if I don't

1084
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 1: get it as good the next time, maybe we should

1085
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 1: hang on to it. Yeah. He would call out which scenes,

1086
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 1: which which takes? Did you do it in front of

1087
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 1: the actors, and it was like the craziest thing for

1088
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 1: people to get used to, Like, yeah, I mean didn't work,

1089
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:44,479
Speaker 1: but seventy was great. I went back to my chair

1090
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 1: after that first night and was sitting in my chair

1091
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 1: kind of dejected, and and a p a walked up

1092
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 1: and was like hey, don't feel bad. Mark Ruffalo was

1093
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 1: like sixty three and Robert Downey Jr. Was like seventy two.

1094
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's just the way that it is.

1095
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,839
Speaker 1: And once I realized that, I was like, Okay, Yeah,

1096
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 1: he really believes in actors getting beyond like out of

1097
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 1: their head, and he believes that you just have to

1098
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:08,760
Speaker 1: say it so many times that you're not even aware

1099
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:10,840
Speaker 1: of what you're saying. Like that's his sort of version

1100
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 1: of getting actors to be as president as possible. But

1101
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 1: I can imagine it must be so difficult if you

1102
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 1: don't know that going in And yeah, and I actually

1103
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 1: responded to it well because I think coming from the

1104
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 1: child actor background, where it is often trilled in our heads,

1105
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 1: that was sort of a crutch for me. And so

1106
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 1: for me, I actually really appreciated it because it broke

1107
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 1: down a lot of that um And I know some

1108
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:36,319
Speaker 1: actors don't love it as much, but it worked. It

1109
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 1: worked for me, So it's so cool. Well, and you

1110
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 1: have to rely on Mankus to do all of your

1111
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 1: fincher stuff, like what would make us have done here?

1112
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 1: I get that. Yeah, no, it's check. Actually, we are

1113
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 1: so happy you joined us for this episode. Where can

1114
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 1: we find you? Now? What are you working on now?

1115
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 1: Just give us any sort of update and where people

1116
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 1: can find you? Yeah you can. You can. All the

1117
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:03,320
Speaker 1: grandmothers and grandfathers listening can find me on Facebook or

1118
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 1: its official. UM. I do have I do have a

1119
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 1: like a private Instagram that's just for family and friends,

1120
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 1: which I would you can put that in our chat.

1121
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 1: Welcome you all to UM. But you know, I'm an

1122
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:20,240
Speaker 1: old fashioned guy. I just nobody cares about me eating

1123
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:22,360
Speaker 1: a sandwich or whatever, so I just keep all that

1124
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 1: stuff private. But you know, but yeah, I'm there on

1125
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 1: Facebook and UM. Professionally and personally, I'm good. I'm so

1126
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 1: lucky to have found just the most wonderful person, my

1127
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:36,919
Speaker 1: wife Andrea, and we're so blessed to have our son,

1128
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 1: and my parents are still healthy thankfully, and and UM,

1129
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 1: you know, things are good. So it's it's thank you

1130
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 1: for having me. It's wonderful to see you guys. Thanks

1131
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 1: for UM. I mean, I don't know I I for saying

1132
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 1: goodbye yet, but but thanks for being so special to

1133
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:54,359
Speaker 1: me and always being so welcoming over the years. I mean,

1134
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 1: you are you are a forever family member of us,

1135
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 1: and UM I really, I I can't believe that you

1136
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 1: that all of our memories were just in that one season,

1137
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 1: because I feel like I have so many memories with you,

1138
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 1: and I wish, I wish we did have a full

1139
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 1: seven years of them. Um, but should and you're right,

1140
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 1: we should have it, should have it should have been

1141
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 1: that way. Boy meets retirement home. It's coming. Can't take

1142
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 1: the poll. I can't do. Maybe maybe Fincher will direct

1143
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 1: and you'll change your mind. Yes, I would do it

1144
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 1: for that. I would do it for that. Well, thank

1145
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 1: you again for joining us for this. We love you

1146
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 1: so much, and please give our love to your family Andrea,

1147
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 1: your son, and your mom and dad. Same same to

1148
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 1: you all. And I know my mom would be mad

1149
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 1: at me if I don't. Please tell them hello from

1150
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 1: my mom and dad as well. Of course all of

1151
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 1: our parents were close. Yes, no, they'll they'll be very

1152
00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 1: excited and they're they're proud of all of you. So yeah, alright,

1153
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 1: well we love you guys. Thanks, bye bye. I mean,

1154
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 1: how is it possible that we just it feels like

1155
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 1: no time has passed. He's amazing, he's great. It was

1156
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 1: so great too. I mean I first connected with him

1157
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 1: when we did Girl Me the World. I ended up

1158
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 1: directing a couple episodes with him in it, and it

1159
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 1: was just so much fun to be adults together and

1160
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 1: to talk about what we do. And you know, he's

1161
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 1: he's truly an actor's actor, Like he's ruining those people

1162
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 1: he's That's why I wanted to ask him about acting

1163
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 1: is because he went from nailing the sitcom performance at gelve,

1164
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 1: like being above and beyond anybody, and then you know,

1165
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 1: going on to do with such great work um and

1166
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 1: and such wide you know, varied work stylistically, and he

1167
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 1: knows what he's doing, he knows what he's talking about.

1168
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 1: It's just such a great That's that's the thing when

1169
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 1: you're that good, that young, and then you decide to

1170
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:04,439
Speaker 1: study the craft, It's like, man, how sky's the limit

1171
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 1: at that point because you're just so good when you

1172
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 1: start amazing, Yeah, I I can't believe it. Im. I

1173
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 1: also had a very similar experience writer working with him

1174
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 1: on Girl Meat's World, like just looking at each other

1175
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 1: and being like, I can't believe we're here, Like we're adults,

1176
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 1: we're just adults together and and he's right. Lee and

1177
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:24,919
Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time together. Um, we were

1178
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 1: you know, you guys were kind of inseparable on the set. Yeah,

1179
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 1: we were inseparable. We were we were the youngest, um

1180
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:34,919
Speaker 1: and uh, we were. We were very close, I think.

1181
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 1: I think, um, even though Orange County is a long

1182
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:40,919
Speaker 1: way away from North Carolina, there were a lot of like,

1183
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 1: there were still a lot of similarities. I think we

1184
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 1: both felt just kind of out of our element a

1185
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:48,919
Speaker 1: little bit. Um and so yeah, we were very close.

1186
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:50,919
Speaker 1: And then being together with him on Girl Meat's World

1187
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 1: was amazing, and I think we exchanged information. We were like, oh,

1188
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 1: we should get together. He wasn't living far from me

1189
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 1: in l A. When he was living in l A.

1190
00:59:57,360 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 1: And then you know it just being an adult kind

1191
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 1: of sucks sometimes and you you lose contact. So I

1192
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 1: want to get all of his information so that um

1193
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 1: we can actually so you can go you can go

1194
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 1: pick him up there. I remember being very happy to

1195
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 1: discover that he had no bitterness. You know that he

1196
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 1: does not carrying around this like because it could so

1197
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 1: easily drive somebody crazy to be known as Minkus your

1198
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 1: entire life, and then also to only have done one season,

1199
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 1: and you know that that sense of like he described like,

1200
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 1: did I what do they do wrong? When he finds

1201
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 1: out he's not coming back for the second season and

1202
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 1: for him to rebound from that be so confident, healthy

1203
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 1: and put it into such a healthy perspective. Um And

1204
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 1: I remember when we when we reconnected on Girl MEAs World.

1205
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 1: I was so appreciative of that because I was always worried,

1206
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 1: you know, I remember being like, what happened to lead?

1207
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 1: Does least? You know? Does Lee hate us all? Does

1208
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 1: Lee think? Does he resent this time on this show?

1209
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 1: And to find out that you've heard that from other

1210
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 1: guests that have like that were let go or something

1211
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:58,680
Speaker 1: where they it bothered them for years and years and

1212
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 1: years they carried it with them. Well, think about how

1213
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 1: different it would be now if we had cell phones

1214
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 1: back then that we didn't have an easy way of

1215
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 1: being like, hey man, what happened? Where are you? We

1216
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 1: didn't know, like it was just we thought we were

1217
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:12,480
Speaker 1: going to see him in a few months, and then

1218
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 1: he didn't return for season two and then it was

1219
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 1: just like, Okay, I guess he's just out of our lives.

1220
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 1: Like it was. Also, it's it's a really bizarre kind

1221
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:27,480
Speaker 1: of unspoken reminder that we could go at any time.

1222
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:30,520
Speaker 1: All of us know what I meant. I meant, you

1223
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 1: know what I meant as actors on the show, but

1224
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 1: also we could die at That's not what I meant,

1225
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 1: thank you very much. I meant that we were we

1226
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:42,439
Speaker 1: were lucky, lucky to be on Board World. And then

1227
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:44,920
Speaker 1: it was like we saw it with Lee, and then

1228
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:46,840
Speaker 1: we saw it with Tony Quinn, and then we saw it.

1229
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 1: There's a number of times where it was just like

1230
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:50,880
Speaker 1: you think you're doing this and your kicking butt and

1231
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 1: you're having a great time, and then you get a

1232
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 1: phone call, Hey, you're not on the show anymore. And

1233
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 1: so it was that was we never really it's a

1234
01:01:57,160 --> 01:02:01,480
Speaker 1: pretty intense environment. We take that for granted now, but

1235
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 1: that is a weird thing, this, you know, sort of

1236
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 1: Hunger Games quality of of being on a TV show

1237
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 1: like we probably you know that that. And he was better,

1238
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 1: He was a much but I always speak for myself.

1239
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 1: He was a much better actor than I was when

1240
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 1: we were kids, a much better. There was no reason

1241
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 1: for him to go other than he went, like for

1242
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 1: whether it was political, whether it was ABC, whether it

1243
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 1: was money, whatever it was, Hey, thanks you were awesome.

1244
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 1: Buy and I'm not sure we ever, as kids, especially

1245
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:35,360
Speaker 1: ever discussed that where it's like, Wow, he was here

1246
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:37,440
Speaker 1: and now he's not, and that could happen to any

1247
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:39,760
Speaker 1: of us at any time. I think we discussed it,

1248
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 1: and I think we were scared of it, but we

1249
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 1: also felt like we could have we could avoid it

1250
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 1: by you know, doing our job and not messing up.

1251
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 1: And that kind of pressure is really intense. I mean,

1252
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:51,560
Speaker 1: that's the pressure that we internalized and in retrospect, you know,

1253
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 1: as a healthy grown I think grown ups probably do

1254
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:56,960
Speaker 1: this too on TV shows, but I think in particular

1255
01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 1: on our show, there was a fear of being fired constantly.

1256
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 1: I mean, it was that was and that was an

1257
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 1: all pervasive feeling, maybe until like the fifth by by

1258
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 1: you know, like fifth sixth season, we knew we weren't

1259
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 1: going I mean, they weren't gonna fire Shawn in season

1260
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 1: five to Pango wasn't going anywhere, certainly for the first

1261
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:16,920
Speaker 1: couple of years, though you yeah, well, I mean, I

1262
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 1: I think I agree with you in Prince in general,

1263
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 1: but we also renegotiated contracts at times, and I remember

1264
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 1: being scared and I remember feeling like and I also

1265
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 1: wanted out off the show. At a certain point, and

1266
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 1: I remember being wooed back, and so there was always

1267
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 1: this you know, this pressure that was intense because there

1268
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:35,439
Speaker 1: was a lot of a lot of power on the line,

1269
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:39,960
Speaker 1: money and fame and the sense of self worth and

1270
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Speaker 1: and we'll have to work again if I leave this

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Speaker 1: show or it's uh yeah, wow, Well it's a fun

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Speaker 1: way to end that episode. Sorry, I lovely. I'm so

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Speaker 1: glad he was here. That was really great. I can't

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Speaker 1: wait to jump into recapping the episode Killer Bees is

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Speaker 1: his number one oh five, directed by David Trainer. Um,

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Speaker 1: we're going to get into that next. Um, but this

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Speaker 1: was really fun. And be sure to follow us on

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Speaker 1: we got March March. It's lots of shirts. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: do a David Fincher shirt. We're probably going to do

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Speaker 1: a shirt about holding the plane for me Gus. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna have so many shirts. But you know what, you know,

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Speaker 1: what somebody suggested, and I think is a really good

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Speaker 1: idea is muggs. I would like a shirt with mugs

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Speaker 1: on it. Great idea? Is that not? Did I misunderstand. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: actually the reverse is probably true. It's gonna be all

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Speaker 1: It's my turn. We love you all, pod dismissed. Pod

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