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Speaker 1: Too Much Information is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hello everyone, and welcome to Too Much Information, the show

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Speaker 2: that brings you the secret histories and little known fascinating

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Speaker 2: facts and figures behind your favorite TV shows, music, movies,

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Speaker 2: and more. We are your two genius Jehovah's Witness, genre

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Speaker 2: bending guitar slinging Paisley Parked progenitors of Minneapolis Minutia all out,

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Speaker 2: I'm Alex.

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Speaker 1: Title and I'm short and run talk. That was very good.

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Speaker 2: And this week we are continuing our two part exploration

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Speaker 2: of the phenomenon that is Prince's Purple Rain.

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Speaker 1: We have moved from the world of the strictly oral

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Speaker 1: into the visual.

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Speaker 2: We're now looking at the hallucinatory vision of Prince's Minneapolis.

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Speaker 1: That's part biopic and part.

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Speaker 2: Hagiography, without a doubt, one of the strangest and most

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Speaker 2: successful cinematic ventures ever mounted by musician at their own behest.

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Speaker 1: That's a really crucial point too. Nobody asked for this.

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Speaker 1: This wasn't like a post studio that was like, hey,

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Speaker 1: we gotta we gotta use Prince, or we have this

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Speaker 1: great idea, who can we get for this, oh Prince. No,

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Speaker 1: Prince was just like Hey, I really want to do

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Speaker 1: this thing. I don't really have an idea for it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and in the pantheons of you know, musician starring things

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Speaker 1: like It's Got, I mean that aren't explicitly I mean,

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Speaker 1: I guess we have to slot in a bunch of biopics, right,

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Speaker 1: like Ray and dream Girls and stuff. But yeah, none

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Speaker 1: of those people are playing themselves, you know. So, I

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Speaker 1: mean I gotta say, this is another bad Prince take

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Speaker 1: for me in a long line of bad Prince takes

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Speaker 1: from me. I always kind of ignored that there was

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Speaker 1: a movie that accompanied the album, you know, I kind

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Speaker 1: of just assumed for many many years that it was

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Speaker 1: just this embarrassing vanity project that happened. It kind of

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Speaker 1: is bro Yes, yes, I mean, bearing mind every he

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, the quiet part I allowed is that

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Speaker 2: it's not a good movie.

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Speaker 1: It's like, but it's better than it has any right

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Speaker 1: to be. I think that was where that was how

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Speaker 1: I approached it. I mean I literally thought that it

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Speaker 1: was just like a long music video for a very

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Speaker 1: long time, and then when I did watch it quite late,

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Speaker 1: I want to say, it was like out of college.

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Speaker 1: He was good.

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Speaker 2: Actually, Yeah, I mean it's really carried off on Prince

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Speaker 2: doing the Kubrick stare all like just his powerful gaze

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Speaker 2: and like I think the secret MVP this movie is

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Speaker 2: more as Day, not Apollonia, not like anyone else. It's

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Speaker 2: just like it's more as Day because the rest of

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Speaker 2: them are all like perfectly serviceable actors in a sense,

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Speaker 2: but in another truth when she's all bad, Yeah, oh

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Speaker 2: they're all bad. But like Morris day Man, that guy

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Speaker 2: should have had a bigger career if you weren't so

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Speaker 2: just like struts around. He's he's got it. He's got

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Speaker 2: that thing that draws you to him, and he's just

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Speaker 2: so and that laugh that laughs still so annoying and

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Speaker 2: hilarious that it's like, how's a family? You know, he's

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Speaker 2: so funny. Yeah, and you know, we know obviously all

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Speaker 2: the music stuff looks amazing.

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Speaker 1: I didn't realize until rewatching scenes from this how all

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Speaker 1: the years that I was a wedding DJ, I was

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Speaker 1: subconsciously trying to recreate the opening scene whenever I would

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Speaker 1: open the dance floor with Let's go crazy. Yeah, Like

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Speaker 1: that was what I was trying to make happen. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that editing in that sequence is really cool. You see

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Speaker 2: Really like the rapid fire cuts and just sort of

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Speaker 2: the you know, I think there's like a girl on

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Speaker 2: But otherwise it's just a bunch of like cool detail

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Speaker 2: shots of people wearing ridiculous fashions and so forth. But

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Speaker 2: that opening scene crackles pretty well, it just slows to

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Speaker 1: You know, all right, here here's a fun little thought experiment.

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Speaker 1: Game hit me. Movies that are nowhere near as good

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Speaker 1: as their soundtrack. I would like to offer up Saturday

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Speaker 1: Night Fever, Bodyguard, Reality Bites, maybe Garden State, maybe Famously, Yeah, Glitter.

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Speaker 1: I'm actually not even sure if the album is all

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Speaker 2: Soundtrack better than album. Godzilla.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh you're totally not the.

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Speaker 2: P Diddy Yeah, but not the p Diddy song. But

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Speaker 2: there's a there's a bang in Regi against the Machine

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Speaker 2: song on there. There's jamiir Kwi Mortal Kombat, the original

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Speaker 2: Has like Nate palm death up against orbital, Like it's

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Speaker 1: For you, right, that was a yeah? Well, I mean.

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Speaker 2: It's just so funny hearing orbit will pop up in

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Speaker 2: like Mean Girls and I'll stuff halleon Hallion on and on,

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Speaker 2: like pop up is like the end of Mean Girls

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Speaker 2: when I'm like, that's the Mortal Kombat song. But what

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Speaker 2: else is in this category? What else is in this category? Uh,

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Speaker 2: it's a great thought experiment Flash Chance. H what's on

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Other than that, that's it. I'm not counting like

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Speaker 2: That's oh bang, Yeah, okay, maybe not maybe not a

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Speaker 2: Flash Chance, although yeah that's flash Dance has h what

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Speaker 2: to know what the streaming ones are?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? What Furious seven? It's been alone? Oh that makes

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Speaker 1: total sense? So that was number one for like tifteen weeks?

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Speaker 2: Star is Born, Greatest show Man, Frozen, the twenty sixteen

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Speaker 2: thought experiment over. Oh man, I forgot My favorite shot

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Speaker 2: when Prince meets Apollonia for the first time, he is

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Speaker 1: Wait? Is that also the scene where he basically seduces

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Speaker 2: Got so many pinched smirks in this movie. It's an

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Speaker 2: old timer for smirking. I'm not sure that's when he

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Speaker 2: came together. Here's everything you didn't know about Prince's Purple

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Speaker 2: Rain the movie. So, as we mentioned last week, Prince

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Speaker 2: as the late seventies. I found a long thread on

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Speaker 2: Prince dot org that was collecting references to films Prince

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Speaker 2: made in his lyrics cross his entire career, including The

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Speaker 2: seemed to have an affinity for Roger Vadiem. He referenced

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Speaker 2: Vediem's films and God Created Woman and Barbarella in song.

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Speaker 2: Barbarella has a few references, and he christened one keyboard

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Speaker 2: player at one point Tommy Barbarella.

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Speaker 1: Of course he loves Barbarella. It's all the horniest movies

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Speaker 1: made with Jane Fonda. That poster is iconic, and you'll

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Speaker 1: recall that me, you and your then girlfriend now wife

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Speaker 1: a Sunday Afterion Will a number of years ago. That's soundtrack.

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Speaker 1: I mean, of course Prince loved it. It's weird, SpaceX

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Speaker 1: and slick songs, good summation, check out Barbarella, everybody it rules.

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Speaker 1: We should do that. Actually, oh yeah, that'd be fun.

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Speaker 2: Lisa Coleman remembers Prince having a poster for the Chris

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Speaker 2: Christofferson Barber streisand version of a Star Is Born on

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Speaker 2: mentioned that last week, after the success of nineteen ninety nine,

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Speaker 2: Prince came to his management team and said if they

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Speaker 1: I want it from a major. I don't want it

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Speaker 1: from some drug dealer or diamond jewelu that you.

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Speaker 2: Find yeah, pacific and hilarious, because like that would have

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Speaker 2: been a source of funding in the eighties. Prince's managers,

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Speaker 2: Bob Cravallo, Joe Ruffalo and Steve Farnoli understandably blanched at this,

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Speaker 2: but nevertheless started to put out feelers for financing. This

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Speaker 2: Just like draw a money sign over it. Prince had

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Speaker 2: the posthumously published memoir The Beautiful Ones and Old Boy

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Speaker 2: Is It Dark? The main protagonist named for some reason, Prince,

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Speaker 2: of Prince's version, rather than the triumphant musical performance that

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Speaker 1: Very hamlet. Oh, I know we'll touch on this later,

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Speaker 1: we're here, Prince. In real life, his parents split up,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the whole film is it's basically just

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Speaker 2: out to get him, and that was something that Albert

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Speaker 2: Magnoli did in his version of the screenplay, was very

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Speaker 2: it's just, yeah, there's a lot, there's a lot going

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Speaker 1: I can't remember. Did Prince get married in real life?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I cut a whole thing about him and

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Speaker 1: his wife Maria. Oh and yes, they lost their first kid, babe, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: And he immediately went back to work. May tay Garcia

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Speaker 1: I cut that because it was too dark. How did

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Speaker 2: Decidebar Morris Day, Man, what do you that guy mentioned

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Speaker 1: I mean, is this a thing where he just like

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Speaker 1: It was a lot slower and funkier, but he liked

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Speaker 1: as was his wont, immediately got to work helping Day

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Speaker 2: So Day has a memoir out called on Time, A

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Speaker 2: according today, Prince stifled the band's record distribution in Europe

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Speaker 3: After these messages, Prince's management team were rejected by basically

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Speaker 1: Makes sense because it's basically them pointing out an eight

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Speaker 1: I guess they had to have a script at this point.

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Speaker 1: got a lawyer in Los Angeles who gave me a

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Speaker 1: talent agent who gave me a series of clients. Know

432
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Speaker 1: why we're getting stonewalled? Margnoley, basically just feeling bad for

433
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:05,359
Speaker 1: the poor guy, offered to take a look at the

434
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,439
Speaker 1: script and said that the bleak family stuff had to

435
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,439
Speaker 1: go and that the banded rivalry in Minneapolis. Local flavor

436
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,399
Speaker 1: needed to be at the center of the story, so

437
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,679
Speaker 1: carvol Op pressed him further, asking what he would do

438
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,360
Speaker 1: for a story, and basically off the top of his head,

439
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 1: Albert Margnoli rattled off the eventual plot of Purple Rain. Carvolo,

440
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 1: very impressed, asked Margnoli if he would consider the job.

441
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,360
Speaker 1: As Marknoley recalled to the Huffington Post, I said, put

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Speaker 1: me on a plane to Minneapolis tomorrow night. I'll meet

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Speaker 1: with Prince and I'll tell him this new story. If

444
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 1: he likes it, we'll make a film. If he doesn't,

445
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 1: you're out nothing more than the cost of a plane ticket.

446
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Speaker 1: And this was in June nineteen eighty three, shortly before

447
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Speaker 1: William Blynn had finished his first draft of the script

448
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 1: and returned to La to go back to making fame.

449
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:52,480
Speaker 1: Only when Magnola got to Minneapolis, he was confronted by

450
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Speaker 1: another member of Princess Management, the similarly named Steve Bargnoli.

451
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Speaker 1: That's why I said his name wrong. It's very con Yeah, yeah,

452
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 1: Magnoli said. Steve immediately zeroed in on me and said,

453
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Speaker 1: we're not doing your story. The film we're doing is

454
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 1: the script that's being written, and that's all there is

455
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Speaker 1: to it. I'm going to take you to the hotel

456
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Speaker 1: where Princess stang, and he's going to come down the

457
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 1: elevator at exactly midnight, and you're going to meet him.

458
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,719
Speaker 1: When Prince came down to meet Magnoli, presumably exactly at midnight,

459
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:25,680
Speaker 1: he was struck by the stars seeming self consciousness, something

460
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:27,920
Speaker 1: that he would come to identify as an important part

461
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,919
Speaker 1: of the movie's tone. When Prince asked him about the

462
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 1: Dream screenplay, Magnoli brashly told him something to the effect of,

463
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Speaker 1: I'm not here to talk about that. I'm here to

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Speaker 1: talk about a story I told Bob yesterday in Los Angeles,

465
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Speaker 1: before launching into another mini pitch for what he told Covolo,

466
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Speaker 1: adding on the fly elements of characterization from what he'd

467
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,680
Speaker 1: just seen right then, and there is Prince's own vulnerability

468
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 1: and isolation. Prince dismissed everyone else and took Magnoli out

469
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Speaker 1: for a late night drive in his blue BMW. Leaving

470
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Speaker 1: the city and cruising through pitch black Minnesota farmland, he

471
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 1: asked Magnoley, do you know me? Magnoldy answered truthfully that

472
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Speaker 1: he'd only heard cuts from nineteen ninety nine on the radio.

473
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 1: Prince responded, well, how is it then that you came

474
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 1: here and in ten minutes you told me my life story.

475
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Speaker 1: Imagine Prince telling you that, presumably at dawn, driving through

476
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:26,919
Speaker 1: farmland in his blue BMW, I would be a little frightened. Actually, yeah, maybe.

477
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Speaker 2: Originally they were set to use five hundred thousand from

478
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,640
Speaker 2: Prince and another five hundred thousand from his management, which

479
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 2: would have been a terrifyingly shoestring budget for a feature film.

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Speaker 1: That's like three million dollars today. But then they started

481
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Speaker 1: shopping at around to studios. Both Richard Pryor's and Jim

482
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,880
Speaker 1: Brown's Indigo Productions and the Geffen Film Company were interested,

483
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:49,360
Speaker 1: but they wanted too much creative control, and the project

484
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 1: was rejected by essentially every other major studio as well,

485
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Speaker 1: until Moe Austen, who is one of Prince's biggest boosters

486
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Speaker 1: at Warner Brothers, decided to help out and agreed to

487
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Speaker 1: throw in some financing for the film. I met with

488
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Speaker 1: the head of production at Warner at that time, Mark Canton,

489
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 1: and convinced him. Austin told Billboard in twenty sixteen, the

490
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,880
Speaker 1: top executive in the company had some misgivings about it,

491
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Speaker 1: and in order to get them to commit, the management

492
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: and probably Princes himself agreed to put in some money

493
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Speaker 1: to front the film, and we told the film company

494
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 1: that we the record company, would guarantee everything that went

495
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: over budget, so that really sealed the business part of

496
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 1: the deal. Warner Brothers agreed to throw in seven million

497
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Speaker 1: to the Purple Rain budget. A large part of that

498
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 1: was supposedly something like two to four million of Moe

499
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 1: Austin's own salary. That's crazy, like he took an advance

500
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Speaker 1: against his future salary to help fund Purple Rain. Get

501
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 1: yourself a friend like Moe Austin, Yeah, seriously.

502
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Speaker 2: One of the studio notes was early on if John

503
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Speaker 2: Travolta could be considered for the role of the kid God, jeez,

504
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 2: that would be just the fucking piece of shit.

505
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Speaker 1: Actually, you know.

506
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Speaker 2: What, he can probably have made it work. I was dancing, certainly.

507
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I would allow it. If he wore the

508
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 1: frilly new romantic outfits and the Chelsea Oh he for

509
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 1: sure would have.

510
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,679
Speaker 2: I mean, like yes, his yeah, well, I mean he

511
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:10,160
Speaker 2: wears worse in.

512
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Speaker 1: Uh everything else, all live staying alive. Oh, the sequel,

513
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: the Misbegotten Saturday Night Fever sequel. Yeah, I forgot about that.

514
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 2: See some of the costumes he wears, Well, it's sort

515
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 2: of the I mean he's torqued, but he's sort of

516
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,959
Speaker 2: wearing the Prince speedo from Dune.

517
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Speaker 1: Why is he so oily? Yeah?

518
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 2: Well, Magnoli Brashley shut the John Travolta aspect of things

519
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 2: down before also shutting down the studio's requests for PG

520
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 2: thirteen rating, intent on keeping the darker.

521
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Speaker 1: Aspects of the film in place.

522
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 2: It would have probably still been PG.

523
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Speaker 1: At this point.

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Speaker 2: Actually, I think that's a mist remembered bit because the

525
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,199
Speaker 2: PG rating had been created like a year or.

526
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Speaker 1: Two before this was in production.

527
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 2: Warners eventually folded, and Magnoli was soon on his way

528
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,360
Speaker 2: to a minut Napolis to interview local musicians and other

529
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 2: people in Princess Circle to gather material for the film.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So about those darker elements we touched on earlier.

531
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Speaker 1: Prince's character in the film, named simply the Kid no

532
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 1: longer Prince, is not a great guy. There's the famous

533
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Speaker 1: scene in which he tells Apollonia to purify herself in

534
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: the cleansing waters of Lake Minnetaka you haven't completed the purification,

535
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: and then after she does so, tells her that the

536
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: body of water she was just in was not, in

537
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 1: fact like Minietonka, before taking off on his motorcycle, leaving

538
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: her freezing, naked and stranded for a time. Not cool,

539
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: A rare moment of actually no, there's a lot of

540
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: moments of him not being great to women, as we'll

541
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 1: touch on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's also a scene in

542
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: which Morris Day and Jerome Benton literally toss a woman

543
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: into a dumpster, something that Manoli said that, as well

544
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,239
Speaker 1: as the other misogyny, was intended as commentary on the

545
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: actual sexism in the club scene and music industry at

546
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: the time, and not an endorsement of it. Yeah, yeah,

547
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: was it though It's played for comedy, which is odd

548
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: and dumb comedy. Yeah, but something that you write is

549
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: resolutely not funny, and i'll co sign that is the

550
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: scene in which the kid hits Apollonia in the film,

551
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 1: which you may remember from last week, was the scene

552
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 1: that caused Stevie Nicks to flee the premiere and hide

553
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: in the bathroom. I wonder if she had PTSD from

554
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 1: Beam with Lindsay Buckingham all those year. Yah Jesus. Yeah.

555
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: It was also a point of contention this scene with

556
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: Prince's rival Michael Jackson, who told a friend that he

557
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: also left the Purple Rain movie in bad spirits, saying, quote,

558
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: can you read this in the voice? Prince looks mean

559
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: and I don't like the way he treats women. Salient points, MJJ,

560
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: is it true? True? Yeah. Prince later defended the slapping

561
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 1: scene in his very first TV interview, That's not quite true.

562
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: He was interviewed as an eleven year old on a

563
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:59,959
Speaker 1: picket line for Okay Alright, saying it was a story,

564
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: a fictional story, and should be perceived that way. Violence

565
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,719
Speaker 1: is something that happens in everyday life, and we are

566
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 1: only telling a story. A Polonia echoed that on the

567
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: tour for the film, saying the movie had to do

568
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 1: with alcoholism and a dysfunctional family. There was an abusive

569
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: relationship and a paralleled the relationship the Prince had with

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Speaker 1: his parents.

571
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 2: But but yeah, as I was writing this man, the

572
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 2: New York Times magazine published an article that I think

573
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 2: it was like it might have been just like five

574
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 2: days ago. It's all about this lost Prince documentary that'll

575
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 2: probably never will definitely never see the light of day

576
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 2: because of his state issues and this, that and the other.

577
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 2: But Netflix is tied up in it somehow. It's this

578
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 2: guy Ezra Edelman, and it is nine hours long, and

579
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Speaker 2: it has one scene in particular that challenges Prince's whole

580
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 2: fictional story. Jill Jones, who you may remember from last

581
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 2: week's episode, was one of Prince's backup singers who was

582
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 2: with him when he supposedly made the decision to yank

583
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 2: the base out of the mix of When Dove's Cry,

584
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 2: and she recalls on screen. She recalls one night in

585
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty four when she and a friend visited Prince

586
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 2: at a hotel. Prince naturally overlooked Jones and started kissing

587
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 2: her friend. Jones understandably slapped him before Prince looked at

588
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 2: her and said, bitch, this ain't no movie. The pair

589
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 2: then got into a fight, which ended with Prince repeatedly

590
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 2: punching Jones in the face. She wanted to press charges

591
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 2: against him, but eventually declined out of what still remained

592
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 2: her love for him, and when his team told her

593
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 2: that pursuing the issue would.

594
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: Ruin his career. Now.

595
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 2: That scene is preceded by Tyken Nelson, Prince's sister, recalling

596
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:48,959
Speaker 2: how their father used to hit their mother when they

597
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 2: were growing up. Obviously, as in Purple Rain, it's intended

598
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 2: to depict the cycle of violence that physical abuse often

599
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 2: locks multiple generations into, but it so casts a pall

600
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 2: over the film and Prince's views on women as a whole.

601
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,239
Speaker 2: I was looking at this and they were actually, like

602
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 2: historically contemporaneously, there were many people pressing this on him,

603
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 2: So are bringing this up when the movie came out,

604
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 2: So at least for the time, it was not overlooked.

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00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's more that can be said for a lot

606
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: of this kind of stuff in media. So on a

607
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: lighter note, back to the movie, we mentioned that it

608
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: was originally supposed to start Vanity as the female lead,

609
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: but people have said that it wasn't necessarily the breakup

610
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: of Prince in Vanity, but the fact that she supposedly

611
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 1: was in the running for the role of Mary Magdalene

612
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 1: in Martin Scorsese's The Last Temptation of Christ. Barbara Hershey

613
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: ultimately played that role and was nominated for a Golden Globe,

614
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: but supposedly that's the reason that Vanity left. Director Albert

615
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: Magnoli told Spin I felt bad for her because I

616
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: knew she was in a terrible bind. In the end,

617
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: she and her representative made the determination that they would

618
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Speaker 1: do this Scorsese project, which then got delayed because of financing.

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Speaker 1: Oh jeanter Grishawn auditioned for the role and god as

620
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: far as meeting Prince, but she wasn't down with the

621
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: explicit sexual nature of the role. Let's say, what movie

622
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 1: we gone. We talked about her and something She's come

623
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: up multiple times.

624
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Speaker 2: I think I don't know if it was most recently,

625
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 2: but it was for the lesbian thriller Bound that she

626
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 2: made with Jennifer Tilly. That was the Wachowski's first film.

627
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: Oh right, that's.

628
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Speaker 2: What got like one guy at Warners to be like,

629
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Speaker 2: these guys have some thing. Sorry these people, he would

630
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 2: have said, guys at that point, I'm just being historically accurate.

631
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 2: Please don't cancel us.

632
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: It's not what Kanye based his song Bound Too on.

633
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: I don't even know.

634
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were, just the name is not going to

635
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 2: be referenced in this podcast ever.

636
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Speaker 1: If I have my brothers, do you feel like do

637
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: you feel like Kanye your jumny click voice. Do do

638
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: you feel like you clubbed Prince? Do you feel like

639
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: you clocked Kanye West from the beginning? Yeah, I mean

640
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: I loved my beautiful, dark, twisted fantasy, sure, but the

641
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: ego that would have to make something that astonishingly uh

642
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 1: manic and astonishingly delusional in a way. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: I think that that would. Uh that was a sign

644
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: after that, I mean the Taylor Swift thing also a sign. Yeah.

645
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 1: I just always thought he was not good. That's like

646
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 1: a rare well and I actually like love See, I

647
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: actually never drilled into that. I kind of wrote him

648
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: off after like college dropout stuff because I was like

649
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: you yeah, I mean like I kind of pretty quickly

650
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 1: clocked that.

651
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 2: It was like, oh you just the sped up soul

652
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 2: sample is like your thing, because right around that time

653
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 2: he'd done h h to the i Iszzo, which is

654
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 2: like one of my favorite jay Z songs. But I

655
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 2: was like, after like hearing three to four songs in

656
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 2: a row where Conny was just doing the sped up

657
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 2: soul sample, I was like, Okay, I get this guy's thing,

658
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 2: and then uh, you know, I was in my jazz

659
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 2: era in college.

660
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: So I mean, anyway, he did have some a great

661
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 1: run on Twitter, didn't he say? Like, I hate when

662
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 1: I'm like sleep on a plane, I wake up and

663
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 1: somebody put like a water bottle on my tread. Now

664
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 1: he's like, great, Now I got a responsible for the

665
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: fall of water.

666
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 2: He did also call what's the Elder Chris Chris Kardashian

667
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 2: Chris Jong Eel at one point.

668
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that was also good. Also medium funny Chris Jenner,

669
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: Chris Jenna. Jeez, Chris Jenner. Oh, I'm so sorry.

670
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 2: Yes, right, anyway, Uh, production saw I've also heard, We've

671
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 2: I've also heard the Jennifer Biles turned it down to

672
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 2: go to Yale, which was probably a smart decision. Production

673
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 2: saw hundreds of girls for the role, ultimately landing on

674
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 2: actress slash model, slash singer slash dancer Apollonia Kotero.

675
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 1: When she showed up for casting. She later told The

676
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,280
Speaker 1: Current there was a girl walking out of the casting office.

677
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: It was Nina Peebles, and I remember she had this

678
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 1: terrified look in her face and she said, it's you.

679
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: You're the one. You're gonna kill me. Aberbagnolli liked a

680
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 1: Polonia because she showed up in sweats. Apparently. Apolonia later

681
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: told Spin I was in South America and Mexico singing

682
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: in nightclubs, doing commercials, TV series films. I had to

683
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: submit my tape with songs in the acting reel, meet

684
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: the producers in LA and meet Prince in Minnesota. He

685
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: was shy, and he smelled real good, like purple. We

686
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: sat there and stared at each other for the longest time.

687
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: Prince took her to dinner. She remembers he had spaghetti

688
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 1: and tea, so clearly he must have been in a

689
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 1: spaghetti phase. Tea is what kind of tea, green herbal?

690
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: If it's like English breakfast tea, that's gross, awful black tea. No, no, no.

691
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: And after this Italian meal, he took her to the

692
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: First Avenue club to dance. I felt like i'd met

693
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: him before, she continued to the current. There was something

694
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: that's still to this day. I don't understand. I don't

695
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,479
Speaker 1: really believe in past lives or anything, but I felt

696
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 1: really comfortable with them. Supposedly, when it came time to

697
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,280
Speaker 1: film the couple's sex scene, they shot it three ways

698
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: with a g PG an R rating. In mind a

699
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: G rated sex scene with Prince Jesus Christ. There's also

700
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: a long standing rumor that there's a much more explicit

701
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 1: version of this sex scene out there, since the MPAA

702
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: allegedly gave Purple Rain an X rating when it was

703
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 1: first submitted. I want to do a quick sidebar, although

704
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: I think you know more about it than me. On

705
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: Prince's recording session for the Batman soundtrack with Kim Bassenger,

706
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: oh all I remember because he was like trying to

707
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: date her, and all I remember is that he was

708
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 1: trying to make a singer out of her, and he

709
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: sent everyone away from the studio to work with just her,

710
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: and then they came in the next day, the technicians did,

711
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 1: and they found the mixing board all covered with honey?

712
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: Am I remembering that? Right?

713
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 2: I actually don't know. I'm so sorry. I wish I

714
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 2: could verify that.

715
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,399
Speaker 1: That seems like a pure Alex Heigel's story. I can't believe. Yeah,

716
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 1: it sounds about right. I feel like someone one of

717
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 1: my coworkers, one of my first coworkers in New York,

718
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 1: told me some kind of story where someone came to

719
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: a Hollywood party once and they thought what they thought

720
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,240
Speaker 1: they saw Kim Bassenger running around a pool being pursued

721
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: by a naked twelve year old and it was Prince. Uh.

722
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: An engineer said to a magazine that Prince arrived in

723
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 1: the studio with Kim and a pot of honey. Everyone

724
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: was ordered out. Later on, when everybody came in the

725
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: next day, there's honey all over the mixing desk.

726
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 2: That's real bad for the console. Man, that's real bad

727
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 2: for it. I just I think that's like rule number one, like,

728
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 2: don't get honey in.

729
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 1: There, don't have honeysex on.

730
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 2: The I just don't understand honeysecks man, it's parting me

731
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 2: such a series of delicate fluid balances, and they're gonna

732
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 2: introduce bees to it.

733
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a that's a moment of vulnerability. I feel

734
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: like Macnoley coming to see Prince and seeing that glimmer

735
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,879
Speaker 1: of vulnerability that others may miss. I don't know, man,

736
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: that came out of a bee. Why would you put

737
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 1: it on that's the line for you. Why would you

738
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: put it on your parts? I mean, I guess I

739
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: get it. It's it's tastes good.

740
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 2: Certainly, But I feel like if I was the one

741
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 2: being having it applied to the second it starts getting

742
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 2: anywhere near the bathing suit area or any significant holes.

743
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: I'm just like, keep the bee stuff away from there.

744
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,879
Speaker 1: You know, babies aren't even allowed to eat honey because there,

745
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because they haven't developed the relationship with the

746
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: allergens yet. We can literally kill them. Oh yeah, here

747
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: we are.

748
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 2: And here Prince is slathering around on Kim Besinger's You know,

749
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 2: you know, you've heard of it well.

750
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,720
Speaker 1: This time of year, though, it's important as the seasons

751
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: change and Elogi's kind of kick in if you're feeling

752
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: a little under the weather because of that, it's really

753
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 1: good to have very local honey. And there's actually, for

754
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:19,240
Speaker 1: any New Yorker listeners out there, there's actually a dealer

755
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 1: in the Union Square farmers market that has honey that

756
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: actually comes from beekeepers located on roofs in different neighborhoods.

757
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: You can have honey that's so so local that it

758
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: can be in your own neighborhood in New York. Is

759
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: that nice? How much are they paying you? That was

760
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 1: a nice memory. That was a nice thing, And actually

761
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 1: I find it very helpful.

762
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 2: Okay, right in the pocket of Big Honey, the.

763
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:55,760
Speaker 1: Only Big Honey Higel's you ah, oh oh, this is great.

764
00:40:55,840 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 1: So Prince hired an acting coach named Don Emmn Dooley

765
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: and a dance choreographer named I can't believe this is

766
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 1: his dances name, John command Wait. I can't think, I

767
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 1: cannot believe that is the man.

768
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 2: He was the creative director of the Minneapolis Dance Theater,

769
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 2: where they raised the Purple Range.

770
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 1: Taping show raised money for tremendous name. Dance instructions were

771
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 1: held at the Minnesota Dance Theater and Lisa Coleman, Princess

772
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 1: keyboard player Lisa Coleman, remember being in a proper jazz

773
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: ballet class and being forced to do jazz hands, while

774
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: Bobby doctor Fink remembers every morning starting out with one

775
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: of Jane Fonda's workout tapes, our second Jane fond of

776
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:43,399
Speaker 1: reference this episode. Eventually, Prince released the cast from dance

777
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:48,320
Speaker 1: lessons after much protest on their end. Wennie Melvoye, another

778
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: member of Princess band, told the Minneapolis Star Tribune, You'd

779
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: go into the next room in the warehouse and there

780
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: was Don Ammondolia doing acting classes. Act like ice cream

781
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 1: and melt. Then we go downtown to these dance classes,

782
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: and there would be time drummer jelly Bean Johnson, the

783
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 1: six foot four guy trying to do purouettes across the

784
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 1: room with a trench coat on searing image, I know,

785
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: really haunting a man named Jellybean. So, speaking of trench coats,

786
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: let's talk wardrobe. The film's stylists were Lewis Wells, who

787
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: spent decades working with Earth, Wind and Fire, and Marie France,

788
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 1: and they took cues from everything from the then fashionable

789
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: new Romantic stylings of bands like Adam and the Ants,

790
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,760
Speaker 1: with the kind of military jacket and eye patch situation

791
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 1: Human League, and they also played up a lot of

792
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: seventeenth and eighteenth century what they call byronic influences in

793
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: the cravat. Some influences were more specific. Prince's cropped leather

794
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: motorcycle jacket was inspired by James Brown. Lewis Wells told

795
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: Billboard he wanted this because it showed off his butt

796
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: so well.

797
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:57,720
Speaker 2: He loved his butt. That's good every man should. Prince's

798
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 2: look in the film varies from his trench coat, which

799
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 2: was a holdover from the Dirty Mind era, where he

800
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 2: dressed the entire band in trench coats, and Wells said

801
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 2: it was fun because you never knew what it was

802
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 2: going to be under it when it opened. But the

803
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 2: freely pirate shirts amid other centuries old touches, came right

804
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 2: from Prince's name. Wells said, when I first met Prince

805
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty one, he had this idea to make

806
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 2: an autobiographical movie about his life. He told me he

807
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 2: would call it Purple Rain because purple was the color

808
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 2: of royalty and he thought of himself as musical majesty.

809
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 2: By the way, no one is ever going to know

810
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 2: why this film was called Purple Rain or when it

811
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 2: was named Purple Rain, because seventeen different people have given

812
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 2: seventeen different accounts of it. I assume the most likely

813
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 2: explanation is that the song came first and everything else followed.

814
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 2: But like then you got this guy who's like no.

815
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 2: In nineteen eighty one, he told me it was going

816
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 2: to be named Purple Rain, which I have to call

817
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 2: bull on because at that time it would have been

818
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 2: called Dreams. Lewis Wells died, so I can't say anything

819
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 2: bad about him.

820
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: Senator Northson, Yeah, much.

821
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 2: Of Prince in the Revolutions wardrobe was otherwise the wheelhouse

822
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 2: of Prince's former bassist Andre Simon's seamstress, sister Sylvia.

823
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 1: I just want to applaud that you got that out.

824
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 2: She added a lot of the studs and the other

825
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 2: accouterments to whatever the band wore off the rack, as

826
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 2: well as tailoring their outfits for them. Von Terry, who

827
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 2: also worked in the wardrobe department of Prince, said, I

828
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 2: would say we influenced the world of fashion with Prince.

829
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 2: This is in an interview with Women's Wear Daily in

830
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 2: tribute to as Wells. He continued, you would characterize Prince's

831
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 2: influence with the ruffel shirt, the purple trench coat, the

832
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 2: fitted pants with sheering up the side, the diagonal fly

833
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,760
Speaker 2: with the big twenty millimeters buttons. Certainly the leather jacket

834
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 2: with the scarf with the tassels. Even now we're still

835
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 2: using it. I do storyboard references at Coach pulling out

836
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 2: Prince pictures. It's still influencing fashion tremendously. Also, did you

837
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,439
Speaker 2: know that there was an officially licensed line of Prince

838
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 2: clothing called Purple Wear. It was exclusively sold through the

839
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 2: now defunct Merry Go Round chain of retailers.

840
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: I've never even heard of the chain of retailers. No,

841
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 1: I could kind of see it being awesome. I mean

842
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:12,439
Speaker 1: it's out there.

843
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,280
Speaker 2: I think it's just like kind of mass market versions

844
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 2: of a lot of the wardrobe um. Purple Rain began

845
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 2: shooting on Halloween of nineteen eighty three. I forget if

846
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 2: I mentioned this last episode or not, but Magnoli was

847
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 2: so captivated by the Revolution's August performance of Purple Rain

848
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 2: at First Avenue that he told Prince it had to

849
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,800
Speaker 2: be in the movie, which subsequently gave the film its name.

850
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 2: But Magnoli also told the Hoffington Post that the weather

851
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 2: in Minneapolis had something to do with it. The weather

852
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 2: can be quite extreme, and they have very dramatic torrential downpours.

853
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 2: He said, just before a fierce storm, clouds would begin

854
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 2: to churn, and Royal Prince would grab me and take

855
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 2: me outside. We would stand together in a field just

856
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 2: looking up at the sky. It would change color from

857
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 2: dark gray to blue and finally to purple, and then

858
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 2: the sky would open up and down came the rain.

859
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 2: That sounds so romantic of them. Also, did you know

860
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 2: that Prince has his own pantone color?

861
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 1: I did not know. Eighteen Dash three eight three eight.

862
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: Nice love that for him. Yeah. Speaking of production, paid

863
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: one hundred grand to close down first avenue of the

864
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 1: club from November twenty sixth through December twentieth, nineteen eighty

865
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: three to shoot the film's musical performances. Bob Carvolo told Spin,

866
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: we were a few weeks behind. We had four weeks

867
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: set to shoot the music. So I said the Prince.

868
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: You know, Albert's gonna want to do twenty takes. He's

869
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: going to want to get different angles and Prince he

870
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:36,280
Speaker 1: almost changed color. I'll give him one take for each song.

871
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: He said, No, that's extreme. What if we just did

872
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: a couple takes with a bunch of cameras and that

873
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: sounds like the compromise that they all agreed to. We

874
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: got a bunch of cameramen and Prince, who's unbelievable, always

875
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: hit his mark. If he did three takes, there was

876
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: no change between Prince's abilities and the revolutions unerring tightness.

877
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,879
Speaker 1: After months of full day rehearsals, what they budgeted four

878
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: weeks to shoot took only one. Director Aberbagnoli told Variety,

879
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 1: I'm a massive Bob Fosse fan, and he called after

880
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: he saw the movie and said, I just can't believe

881
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 1: that you shot all that music in one week. Do

882
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 1: you know how long it took me to shoot the

883
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: opening musical sequence in Lenny a month. I just want

884
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 1: to say I'm a huge Bob Fosse fan, and I

885
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 1: was on a big Fossy kick earlier this year after

886
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 1: I saw Cabaret on Broadway with Eddie Redman, and I

887
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:28,760
Speaker 1: watched the FX documentary and the book All That Jazz,

888
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 1: which is like six hundred pages long. I believe he

889
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: means All That Jazz the movie from nineteen seventy nine

890
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,280
Speaker 1: with Roy Scheider, which is one of my favorite movies

891
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 1: ever that has a big opening musical number sequence that

892
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,320
Speaker 1: I think he spent a month working on. Lenny is

893
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 1: a biopic of the famed comedian and free speech activist.

894
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: You could say, Lenny Bruce, there are no musical numbers

895
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 1: in that movie, thank you.

896
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 2: I wonder if they got the refund back from First

897
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 2: Avenue for only taking a week out of a projector.

898
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh good good. Point. Didn't that place used

899
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 1: to be like a bus station or something.

900
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 2: All of these Prince locations used to be something industrial

901
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 2: and sad. I think his warehouse was a dog.

902
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Well, fortunately for the Purple Rain. Production doctor

903
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 1: Albert MacNulty told Salon Warner Brothers left us alone. I

904
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 1: must give them a lot of credit for that. They

905
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: left us alone to make the film throughout the shoot

906
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 1: and the entire process. However, he said this might have

907
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: had to do with practical concerns and the goodness of

908
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 1: their hearts, adding the winter in Minneapolis was harsh twenty

909
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 1: degrees below zero with eight feet of snow they were

910
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 1: trying to visit us. Prince Band member Wendy Melvoye added

911
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 1: to the Minneapolis Star Tribune, Lisa and I had a

912
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 1: condo in aDNA, a town nearby. I remember that our

913
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: call on the set was at like four thirty or

914
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: five o'clock in the morning, and the two of us

915
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: had to get up an hour earlier to go out

916
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 1: and turn the damn car on to get it warm

917
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 1: enough to get into town. We'd be done filming by

918
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: ten o'clock at night. Well grown up in the suburbs

919
00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: of Boston. That, oh, just give me bad flash. Abber

920
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: Bagnoli told Rolling Stone that the weather's impact on the

921
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:08,360
Speaker 1: shoot was made immediately clear to them on Halloween nineteen

922
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 1: eighty three. We were scheduled to begin shooting on November first,

923
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,320
Speaker 1: but it was a beautiful fall day. Bob said, is

924
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: there anything we can shoot that quickly to take advantage

925
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: of this, meaning the beautiful weather. I said, we could

926
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: do all the aerial motorcycle shots within forty eight hours.

927
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,720
Speaker 1: The temperature went from the mid sixties to twenty degrees

928
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:29,240
Speaker 1: and then below zero. The first snowstorm was five days later,

929
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:31,919
Speaker 1: and by the time we finished shooting there were eight

930
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: foot snow drifts. The generator truck froze into ice just

931
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,320
Speaker 1: getting to the sets. Meant we had three trucks paving

932
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 1: the way for us. He also added in a different

933
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,359
Speaker 1: interview that they had quote a blowtorch brigade of crew

934
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 1: members who had come out in clear paths on exterior

935
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: sets for specific shots, not a place where Misser, we're

936
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 1: supposed to live or film movies. Good Lord, these conditions

937
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: would prove harshest on Apollonia. Kotero, who was a right

938
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: from La I, wasn't accustomed to that type of weather.

939
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 1: She told the current. We had mini heaters on our

940
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: hands and feet. One late afternoon, I went for a walk.

941
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 1: It was my day off, I don't wanted to go

942
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: walk in the snow away from the hotel. I got

943
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: caught in a mini blizzard. It started as snow and

944
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: it was nighttime already, and I didn't know where I

945
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: was because I couldn't see where I was anymore. I

946
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: thought I could be on the street, get hit by

947
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 1: a car or something, you know. So I finally saw

948
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 1: the green letters of the Holiday Inn and I made

949
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 1: it back, and I was terrified. By the time I

950
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: got back. I remember my hair was wet from the snow,

951
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:34,760
Speaker 1: and I guess I was crying, so I had icicles

952
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 1: on my eyelashes. The people in the lobby were like,

953
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:41,280
Speaker 1: are you okay? And I was like, no, I got lost.

954
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,479
Speaker 1: It was scary. I mean, that's a stupid thing someone

955
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: from LA would do. I don't think I've ever been there.

956
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 1: I don't thought in a blizzard.

957
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know, dude, Like, I would never

958
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:56,479
Speaker 2: want to be in one of those white outs where

959
00:50:56,520 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 2: you just like cannot see, especially in downtown Minneapolis.

960
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:02,879
Speaker 1: Holy why do people live there?

961
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 2: Things got worse for her while filming the famous Purify

962
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 2: Yourself in the cleansing waters of Lake Minnetonka scene, and obviously,

963
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 2: as Prince says in the film, first she tries to

964
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 2: stop her from jumping in, and then afterwards he says,

965
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 2: that isn't Lake Minnetonka.

966
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 1: Rather, it's a portion of the Minnesota River.

967
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 2: Near Henderson, Minnesota, which is like a population of eight

968
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 2: hundred people or something. So they must have just driven

969
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 2: down like one of the interstates that were like, eh,

970
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 2: this is fine.

971
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 1: Apollonia told The Current that.

972
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 2: The first attempt of the scene is the one that

973
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 2: ultimately ended up in the film, but that she did

974
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 2: three more afterwards, and after the fourth production shoved her

975
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 2: into a tent where a nurse took her temperature, ascertained

976
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 2: that she was going into shock from hypothermia, and.

977
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:49,760
Speaker 1: Rushed her to the hospital. Oh God.

978
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 2: And I just thought to myself, Oh no God, Oh

979
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 2: no God, I don't want to die. How many different

980
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 2: line readings can I do that? And I just thought

981
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 2: to myself, Oh no God, I don't want to die now.

982
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:07,479
Speaker 1: I don't want to die. I just thought to myself. Yeah,

983
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: And I just thought to myself, Oh no God, I

984
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 1: don't want to die. Now. Let's go with that one.

985
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 1: And I thought to myself I thought.

986
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 2: I thought to myself, Oh God, I don't want to

987
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 2: die now.

988
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 1: This is like this, I says to God. I say so,

989
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: I says to God, I don't want to die now.

990
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 1: She said, I want to finish this movie. And I

991
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 1: could hear, just in the distance, the nurse's voice. She

992
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: was panicking, and I just started to fade out. And

993
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: then Prince came in because I remember feeling his warmth.

994
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 1: He held me and he said, please don't die, Please, don't die, Apollonia,

995
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 1: and his voice kind of cracked, and I don't know

996
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 1: it took a while, but I remember, just like in

997
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 1: the movies, you kind of fast forward, and then I

998
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 1: started to see images and it was him, and I

999
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 1: just remember, once I was able to talk, I just said, no,

1000
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 1: I'm not going anywhere.

1001
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 2: I have to shoot more. We've got to get more

1002
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 2: in the can. Man, I'm not going anywhere. We've got

1003
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 2: to shoot some more. And he kind of chuckled. He

1004
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 2: probably favored her with a very emotional pinched smirk. Anyway,

1005
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:13,800
Speaker 2: after all this, they wound up finishing a lot of

1006
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 2: that stuff in La despite all of the weather that

1007
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 2: was trying to kill them. Every chance they could get

1008
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 2: Margoli told Rolling Stone that the most difficult day was

1009
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 2: when Prince trash's a basement. There was some apprehension when

1010
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 2: we had to terror part the basement. It was emotionally rough.

1011
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 2: It takes a lot to teror part a basement. We

1012
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:37,720
Speaker 2: didn't have the budget for a second take. He added

1013
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 2: that Prince had a really hard time with this. With

1014
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 2: a different shot, it's the scene in the film where

1015
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 2: the kid deals with his father's attempted suicide and his

1016
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 2: own briefly imagined one which is quickly flashed as him

1017
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 2: hanging from the basement ceiling. Magnolia said, it's a shot

1018
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 2: that lasts less than eight frames, but that was a

1019
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:58,839
Speaker 2: highly emotional scene. Prince was very agitated during the entire thing,

1020
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:01,839
Speaker 2: especially when I had to him up. His body had

1021
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 2: to be roped into this harness to be hung on

1022
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 2: a stud in the basement. We put him on the

1023
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 2: hook and he was hanging there. Then I said to

1024
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 2: one of the grips, touch his body so he's swinging,

1025
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 2: and he just went berserk. He just lost total control.

1026
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 2: The fear was coming from a real place. That's mean

1027
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:18,800
Speaker 2: that they put a little short guy up and started

1028
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 2: pushing him around and making him swing.

1029
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 1: Come on, guys, he was probably just scared. He'd never

1030
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 1: been that far off the ground before. We're gonna take

1031
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:30,399
Speaker 1: a quick break, but we'll be right back with more

1032
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 1: too much information in just a moment. Hello, folks, it's me,

1033
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 1: the mean one, Alex from too much information. I'm here too.

1034
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:50,359
Speaker 1: Jordan's here too, for a variety of reasons that they're

1035
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 1: not interesting. Jordan and I have, in our quest to

1036
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:58,320
Speaker 1: make this thing as efficient as possible and justify the

1037
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 1: enormous amount of time we spend on it weekly, have

1038
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,839
Speaker 1: been trying a variety of things, and we are now

1039
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 1: at the begging stage. We were not going to do

1040
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 1: a paywall, We're not going to do a Patreon, but

1041
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 1: what we are going to do is drop the I'm

1042
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 1: told it is pronounced co fee, which is sort of

1043
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 1: a digital tip jar into this episode's description. I know

1044
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 1: people complain about the ads, but trust us, we're not

1045
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,319
Speaker 1: seeing ad revenue and this is a way to make

1046
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 1: it a little more sustainable and let us keep doing it. Essentially,

1047
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:34,919
Speaker 1: if the average monthly listenership of this podcast just gave

1048
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:38,720
Speaker 1: us fifty cents, it would be a truly affecting amount

1049
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 1: of money, and if everyone gave a dollar, it would

1050
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 1: be like life changing for a few months. So that's

1051
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 1: all there is. We're not doing a payroll, we're not

1052
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 1: doing a Patreon. We're going to drop a koffee link

1053
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:52,839
Speaker 1: in there, and if you feel so compelled, you may

1054
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 1: donate to it, and we will be ever so grateful

1055
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 1: and not let it go to our heads or affect

1056
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 1: our work in any way. Probably that is all onto

1057
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 1: our regular schedule.

1058
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 2: Programming up Alex's Gear, Alex's Gear corner.

1059
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 1: Well, it's Alex's Gear corner. No one cares about this.

1060
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: I put it in. Oh I'm very excited about this.

1061
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 2: So I promised last week that we're going to talk

1062
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:30,799
Speaker 2: about the guitar in the movie, and here we go.

1063
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:34,319
Speaker 2: Baby Prince is so called Cloud Guitar. And I think

1064
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 2: it got its nickname because on around the world in

1065
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 2: the day Princes wearing the cloud suit and this is

1066
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 2: the guitar that he's holding, So it just started calling

1067
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 2: the Cloud Guitar. It was made by a local Minneapolist

1068
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 2: luthier named Dave Russon, who is then working at the

1069
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:53,440
Speaker 2: astonishingly named newt Coupe Music, which is an uptown Minneapolis

1070
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:56,439
Speaker 2: store co founded by a local guitarist named Jeff Hill,

1071
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 2: and Prince had been going there since high Schooler Dave

1072
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:02,400
Speaker 2: Rus told Premier Guitar that he'd actually been working in

1073
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 2: London for like nine months at a different guitar shop,

1074
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 2: and one day after returning to Minneapolis, he saw Prince

1075
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,800
Speaker 2: come into the shop and asked for the owner, Jeff Hill.

1076
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 2: He and Jeff went into the back office and they

1077
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 2: talked a long time, and then Jeff came down and

1078
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 2: told me Prince is going to make a movie. He

1079
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 2: needs a guitar, and you're going to make it. Brusanne

1080
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 2: and Prince actually went back further than this. The luthier

1081
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 2: auditioned for Prince's backing band in the early days, but

1082
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:28,439
Speaker 2: in his own words, Prince was looking for a black

1083
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 2: female guitarist, so I didn't get it. There's a writer

1084
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 2: named Andrea Swenson who really went above and beyond trying

1085
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 2: to track down the exact inspiration for the Cloud guitar. Supposedly, well,

1086
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 2: it's generally agreed upon. The guitar's distinctive design was inspired

1087
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 2: by a bass that Prince had bought Andre Simon, his

1088
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 2: childhood friend in the original bassis in his live band,

1089
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 2: but Simon remembered that this happened in San Rafael, California,

1090
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 2: when Prince was working at a record plant in Sasolito.

1091
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 2: The bass was made by Jeff Levin, who built instruments

1092
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 2: under the name Sardonic's Guitars, which is hilarious, but he

1093
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 2: worked out of the East Village. So after a ton

1094
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 2: of research, and I do mean a ton, Swinson was

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00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 2: contacting Princess Roady's calling all of those original shops. She

1096
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 2: got a call from one of the shops and sent

1097
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 2: Raphael that she'd already checked out, who told her that

1098
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 2: the original owner had been contacted and had indeed confirmed

1099
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 2: that that was where Prince bought the bass in late

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00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy seven. Wildly unnecessary deep dive, but good for her.

1101
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:36,919
Speaker 2: The actual bass looks kind of cool.

1102
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 1: He said.

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00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 2: It was inspired by Gibson mandolins, so kind of the

1104
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 2: curving parts of it are reminiscent of the mandolin design, which.

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00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 1: Is what Gibson originally made. Actually, my grandfather, I think

1106
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 1: it was my grandfather had one that my dad now has.

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00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 1: That's from the Geez. I want to say it's in

1108
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 1: nineteen teens, maybe nineteen twenties. It's pretty cool looking cool.

1109
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 2: Brusen remembered Prince had this bass with him in the

1110
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 2: store that day. I'd actually worked on it before, and

1111
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 2: his main requirements was just that the guitar should be

1112
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 2: in that shape, and it had to be white, and

1113
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 2: it had to have gold hardware. I think he specified

1114
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 2: he wanted EMG pickups. But compared to all the conversation

1115
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 2: you would usually have.

1116
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 1: With someone about a customed guitar, there wasn't anything else

1117
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 1: you wanted to talk about, the size and the neck,

1118
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 1: the frets, the playability features or anything. And this is funny.

1119
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 2: There was a guitar company in the nineteen eighties called

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00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 2: O'Hagan that had put out a model called the Shark,

1121
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 2: and they send a bunch of these to this music

1122
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 2: store newte Coupe, and that's what he carved the Prince

1123
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 2: guitar out of the body of this defunct Shark guitar model.

1124
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 2: So you can say that Princess Cloud guitar is in

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00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 2: a way a Shark.

1126
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 1: I'm not over New Cupe.

1127
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, it was a pain in the ass doing this. Apparently,

1128
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 2: he said they had to strip down their first paint

1129
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 2: job and do it over again because of trying to

1130
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 2: get it into all those little scrolls and the little

1131
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 2: scrolls and detailing. And then he told Fretbord Journal on

1132
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 2: the different interview that his only memory of this all

1133
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 2: important influence bass, the Sardonyx, was that it was basically

1134
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 2: a weird piece of it had no trust rod and

1135
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 2: it had bar Fretz. That's all I remember, with only

1136
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 2: this to go on and a few other scant details

1137
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 2: that owner Jeff Hill was able to ring out of Prince.

1138
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 1: On subsequent shop.

1139
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 2: Visits, Russan turned in an instrument that Prince loved so

1140
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 2: much he ordered two more of. There was a fourth

1141
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 2: made for Warner Brothers, a promotional giveaway that they had

1142
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty five, like win a Prince guitar, but

1143
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:38,440
Speaker 2: no one seems to know where that one is. Later

1144
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 2: in the nineteen nineties, Washington based luthier Andy Beach made

1145
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:44,920
Speaker 2: twenty seven additional copies of the Cloud guitar for Prince.

1146
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 2: Russan had since been making custom copies of the Prince

1147
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 2: guitar by hand in Minneapolis for years. When after Prince's death,

1148
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 2: his estate partnered with guitar maker Scheckter to release their

1149
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 2: own line of Prince guitars that are seld in the

1150
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 2: Paisley Park gift shop, and demanded that Dave Russan stop

1151
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 2: using the design and name. One of Princess Cloud's guitar

1152
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 2: hangs in the Smithsonian after he donated in nineteen ninety three.

1153
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:14,440
Speaker 2: Here you want this, Well, it's funny because so it

1154
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:16,440
Speaker 2: hung up in the museum and it was credited to

1155
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 2: the wrong luthier. And that's part of what this woman

1156
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 2: went on her. She was just like, I want him

1157
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 2: to get credited. So that was what spurred her whole

1158
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 2: insane research thing. And you know the luthier when she

1159
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 2: finally got to him the New York I was just like, yeah,

1160
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 2: I mean, I wish it hadn't gone up without my

1161
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 2: name on it, but I guess it's fine. I believe

1162
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:42,720
Speaker 2: they have since corrected the air. One of the ones

1163
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 2: that Russan did make sold at auction in twenty twenty

1164
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 2: for five hundred and sixty three and five hundred dollars.

1165
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:54,080
Speaker 2: So I guess congrats to whichever rich piece of owns that.

1166
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 1: Now it's gotta be Jimmy or say it owns the Colts,

1167
01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:01,640
Speaker 1: and you know, it's like Hendricks is white woodstock guitar,

1168
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 1: and I think he owns I think he owns Tiger

1169
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 1: or one of Jerry Garcon. Did I ever tell you? So?

1170
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:16,960
Speaker 1: A friend of my girlfriend's family, real character and just

1171
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 1: has a lot of great stories. And he used to

1172
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 1: he knew I liked the Beatles, and he used to

1173
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 1: definite tell you this. And one day he would come

1174
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 1: up to me. It's happened a few times. He said, oh,

1175
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:26,920
Speaker 1: you know, I got Joe Lennon's piano, right, And I

1176
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, you don't, but you know, and then

1177
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:31,919
Speaker 1: he would like punch me on the shoulder and be like, yeah,

1178
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 1: now I also got Hitler's Mercedes in the garage. And

1179
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:36,000
Speaker 1: then he'd laugh and walk away, and I just thought

1180
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 1: he was messing with me. And then I was going

1181
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 1: to interview Yoko Ono for for work, and word got

1182
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 1: back to him and I got a text from him said, hey,

1183
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 1: show these pictures to Yoko and see if she wants

1184
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 1: to buy it. And it was this very very distinct

1185
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 1: Baroke piano. It was like a black and red with

1186
01:02:57,400 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 1: like these candelabras that were ult in these brass candle

1187
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:03,560
Speaker 1: oberas that were built into it. It looked like this,

1188
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:06,640
Speaker 1: like mystical piano, and I've seen it in pictures at

1189
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 1: John Lennon's house. Is the piano that he wrote all

1190
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 1: of Sergeant Peppern and All You Need Is Love and

1191
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:17,280
Speaker 1: like very famous piano, and he ended up selling it

1192
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:24,080
Speaker 1: against My Tearful Wishes, and Junior say about it. I

1193
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 1: got to hit a key on it, though nice, I

1194
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:30,680
Speaker 1: got to play it. Yeah. Well, with all the guitar

1195
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 1: minutia settled, we have to move on to another character

1196
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 1: in Purple Rain, Prince's motorcycle, which also of course appears

1197
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 1: on the album cover. It's a heavily customized nineteen eighty

1198
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:44,440
Speaker 1: one Honda CM four hundred Honda Maatic and with Prince

1199
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:48,000
Speaker 1: at five foot two and you assume ninety nine pounds,

1200
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:51,720
Speaker 1: the motorcycle there was comparatively lightweight at four hundred pounds,

1201
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 1: with a low seat height of thirty inches. It dubbed

1202
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 1: a Hondomatic because it only had two gears high and

1203
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 1: low like me, and twenty seven horsepower, and it was

1204
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 1: the first of these to appear on screen. There had

1205
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 1: never been a Hondomatic on screen before. Let somebody prove

1206
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:12,560
Speaker 1: me wrong. Prince was the first one of the many

1207
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:14,840
Speaker 1: barriers he broke. I think it was because they were

1208
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 1: considered like children's toys. Yeah. Man, I was a little kid.

1209
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:22,480
Speaker 1: I always wanted one of those like electric cars that

1210
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 1: you would sit in, And then I went to a

1211
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 1: kid's birthday party and the accidentally ran me over in one,

1212
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 1: and I don't want one anymore. That tracks. Yeah, Yeah,

1213
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:34,200
Speaker 1: there were three of these movie bikes made. There was

1214
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:37,520
Speaker 1: Princes and two for stunt ridings. That's kind of I

1215
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 1: sort of am sad that he didn't do his own stunts.

1216
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:42,240
Speaker 2: I've heard that he did a good amount some of

1217
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 2: the riding, certainly mean this is an opening seed where

1218
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:48,520
Speaker 2: he just pulls up to yeah first first avenue on

1219
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 2: the motorcycle with a guitar, just simply on plane air

1220
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:56,000
Speaker 2: strapped across his back, which was like, come on, man.

1221
01:04:57,280 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 2: But yeah, he supposedly did a good bit of driving.

1222
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:02,720
Speaker 2: There's a really funny when I was researching last episode, Uh,

1223
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:04,160
Speaker 2: Steve Luke Luke.

1224
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 1: Lutherger No, he's the guy from Toto. Yeah, so that's

1225
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 1: that's why. That's what I'm saying.

1226
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:10,440
Speaker 2: So in the in some of the research I was

1227
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:13,920
Speaker 2: doing last episode there was Steve Luthericker was being guitarist,

1228
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:18,640
Speaker 2: total guitarist and session whiz. Steve Lutherger was being interviewed

1229
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 2: at Sunset Sound and he said he is one of

1230
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:25,360
Speaker 2: his memories of Prince where Steve Lutherger was rolling in

1231
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:27,520
Speaker 2: at like ten am for a you know, for a

1232
01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:31,000
Speaker 2: job in right around the Purple Area era, and he

1233
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:33,000
Speaker 2: turns like the corner from the parking lot and there's

1234
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 2: Prince astride the motorcycle in like full purple regalia, like

1235
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:40,360
Speaker 2: at ten in the morning.

1236
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:45,760
Speaker 1: Being photographed. I should also I wish, I wish it

1237
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 1: was just him just for just waiting out there.

1238
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:50,959
Speaker 2: It's really funny because he talked this is definitely gonna

1239
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:53,800
Speaker 2: get lost in the translation of of podcast of visual

1240
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:55,840
Speaker 2: but he talks about like I think the first time

1241
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:59,360
Speaker 2: Prince like was in the studio and Steve Lutherger was playing,

1242
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:01,920
Speaker 2: or there was some kind of situation where they were

1243
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 2: in the studio together. But he talked about how shy

1244
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:05,600
Speaker 2: Prince was and he was like, yeah, and you know

1245
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:07,840
Speaker 2: we were just playing tracking, like messing around, and then

1246
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:11,960
Speaker 2: you know, every so often we just see like Prince's

1247
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:15,200
Speaker 2: tiny head come up from like below the mixing from

1248
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 2: below the console desk, like like the you know Kilroy

1249
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 2: was here viewing?

1250
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh wow, I actually I event Steve Lucather he was.

1251
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:31,000
Speaker 1: It was backstage. He's in Ringo Stars All Star band,

1252
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:35,240
Speaker 1: and before going on stage that night, he apparently always,

1253
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 1: or at least then, was in the habit of warming

1254
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:41,600
Speaker 1: up by playing an acoustic twelve string because then it's

1255
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:44,200
Speaker 1: like baseball players when they like carry a bunch of

1256
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:46,240
Speaker 1: bats and then they go up with just the one.

1257
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:49,040
Speaker 1: It feels a lot easier. Having like the big, chunky,

1258
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 1: thick neck double strings for the twelve string made it

1259
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 1: a lot easier to do like single string bends and

1260
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:56,920
Speaker 1: stuff on electric guitar later that night. That was a

1261
01:06:56,960 --> 01:07:01,520
Speaker 1: good tip. I liked that man. His his sessionography's crazy.

1262
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 1: His sessionography is crazy.

1263
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:09,000
Speaker 2: But I was just I'm thinking specifically of Rosanna sim

1264
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:12,040
Speaker 2: singing on that and playing guitar.

1265
01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:14,280
Speaker 1: I wonder if you does he play that batch guitar

1266
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:18,320
Speaker 1: solo that rules so much. I think he does. He

1267
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 1: has a bunch of motorcycle details that neither one of

1268
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:23,800
Speaker 1: us understand, but maybe you do. Nope. The purple rain

1269
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:27,600
Speaker 1: bike had Calmstar wheels six ben handlebars and a King

1270
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:32,360
Speaker 1: Queen seat not a Prince seat, stitch with recess purple

1271
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 1: diamonds and supported by a Tridath style sissy bar. I

1272
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:36,680
Speaker 1: not a sissy bar is.

1273
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:39,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the King Queen is just like a two

1274
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:42,440
Speaker 2: seater with like the Queen ostensibly being behind you supported

1275
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 2: by the sissy bar.

1276
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:48,320
Speaker 1: The bike was also embellished with an early version of

1277
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:51,560
Speaker 1: Prince's love symbol, which he'd later changed his name to.

1278
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:55,160
Speaker 1: Prince kept the motorcycle and used it again in the

1279
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:58,280
Speaker 1: film Graffiti Bridge, his nineteen ninety sequel to Purple Rain,

1280
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:01,480
Speaker 1: in which he again played the kid, but it was

1281
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:05,080
Speaker 1: repainted black, which I'm horrified by, and some of its

1282
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:08,880
Speaker 1: chrome pieces were gold plated. Okay, that's kind of cool. Yeah.

1283
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:11,680
Speaker 1: These movies are actually some of the most lasting tributes

1284
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:14,240
Speaker 1: to this bike. It wasn't around for very long. Honda

1285
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:17,240
Speaker 1: produce the four hundred cc version from nineteen seventy eight

1286
01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:21,320
Speaker 1: to nineteen eighty one, and while most other engine sizes

1287
01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:24,040
Speaker 1: were offered in different years, overall sales were poor for

1288
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:27,760
Speaker 1: the Hondomatic and they were discontinued after nineteen eighty three.

1289
01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:31,680
Speaker 1: Blue Too Close to the Sun Baby Princess bike was

1290
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:34,759
Speaker 1: retired to Paisley Park after filming for Graffiti Bridge wrapped.

1291
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:38,599
Speaker 1: But you saw one source that suggested that Princess Honda

1292
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:40,839
Speaker 1: Maatic went up for auction in twenty eighteen.

1293
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:43,639
Speaker 2: I did never found a sell price for it, so.

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01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:45,479
Speaker 1: Do you know who bought it? It sounds like a

1295
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:47,360
Speaker 1: hard rock or a rock and Roll Hall of Fame

1296
01:08:47,400 --> 01:08:50,320
Speaker 1: type of thing. That's like a pretty I thought I

1297
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:52,120
Speaker 1: saw it. Now that I'm thinking about it, maybe it

1298
01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:54,320
Speaker 1: was one of the stunt ones at the Rock and

1299
01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:56,880
Speaker 1: Roll Hall of Fame. I just like to imagine driving

1300
01:08:56,880 --> 01:09:02,040
Speaker 1: it around the interiors of Paisley Park, except for in

1301
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:06,679
Speaker 1: the elevator. Ooh, you'll get that one on your way home.

1302
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:15,200
Speaker 1: How could you? How could you? Wow? Wow? One of

1303
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:19,240
Speaker 1: the happiest moments of my life. It wasn't, but all

1304
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:24,840
Speaker 1: for the purposes of this anecdote. My friend, who was

1305
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:27,920
Speaker 1: a lot cooler than me, had a I don't know

1306
01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:30,160
Speaker 1: why he had it, but he had what was basically

1307
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:34,360
Speaker 1: like a cheap electric Vespa scooter. It wasn't Vespa, but

1308
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 1: it was like an electric scooter that you just plugged

1309
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:39,120
Speaker 1: into the wall. Wasn't like anything crazy, and I somehow

1310
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:41,840
Speaker 1: wound up with it, and a bunch of us were

1311
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:46,160
Speaker 1: hanging out after school and nobody was around, and so

1312
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:50,280
Speaker 1: we went around and opened all the doors and turned

1313
01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:52,000
Speaker 1: the school because it was built in like a big

1314
01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:56,000
Speaker 1: O shape, and just rode the thing around down the

1315
01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:59,920
Speaker 1: school hallways and down like the ramps and stuff after hours,

1316
01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:03,720
Speaker 1: and it was really fun. It was real fun. It's

1317
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:07,040
Speaker 1: probably the most like stereotypically bad thing I ever got

1318
01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:08,479
Speaker 1: up to. All told.

1319
01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:11,680
Speaker 2: From Magnoli's Fateful Prince meeting in July to the end

1320
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:16,600
Speaker 2: of shooting in mid December, Purple Rain was conceived, written, financed, organized,

1321
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:20,320
Speaker 2: and shot in about five months, which is crazy.

1322
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:26,840
Speaker 1: It shows well, it doesn't show visually, but it shows

1323
01:10:27,479 --> 01:10:30,800
Speaker 1: in every other way or well not musically either. Just

1324
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 1: it's really just the acting. It looks real good. Yeah,

1325
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:35,360
Speaker 1: Like I almost wonder if this could have been saved

1326
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:40,559
Speaker 1: if it had like gel actors. Jennifer Biale, Yeah, yeah, boy,

1327
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:44,200
Speaker 1: you have it in for Apollonia. Huh Oh, she's cool,

1328
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:47,679
Speaker 1: she's pretty, she's pretty brunette. It's kind of my thing,

1329
01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 1: isn't the name of Michael corleon AND's Sicilian bride that

1330
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:58,760
Speaker 1: gets blown up? I don't have that one deep on. Yeah,

1331
01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:03,800
Speaker 1: Apolonia of itele Coleone, m hm, cool man. Yeah, what's

1332
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:10,919
Speaker 1: her real name? Patricia who Apollonia? Ah, Oh that's not her. Wow.

1333
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:13,639
Speaker 1: I feel really, I feel like one of those kids

1334
01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:15,360
Speaker 1: had just found out Sanda is not real. It's like, oh,

1335
01:11:15,400 --> 01:11:17,959
Speaker 1: of course, Tricia, that's not her real name.

1336
01:11:18,040 --> 01:11:20,080
Speaker 2: From San Pedro, California.

1337
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:24,880
Speaker 1: Who named her that? Parents? No, Apollonia did like Prince.

1338
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:27,960
Speaker 1: I assume prince. Oh well, okay, it's her middle name,

1339
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:31,759
Speaker 1: all right. Anyway, Warner Brothers was very confused when presented

1340
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:35,439
Speaker 1: with Purple Rain, somewhat understandably, but they were supposedly afraid

1341
01:11:35,479 --> 01:11:39,719
Speaker 1: of competing with the Rick Springfield starring Hard to Hold,

1342
01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:42,679
Speaker 1: a movie that I am just now hearing about. Yeah,

1343
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:46,040
Speaker 1: they gave him a they just like handing out. I

1344
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:47,080
Speaker 1: guess he's kind of handsome.

1345
01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:49,080
Speaker 2: I mean, it makes sense. He he wound up on

1346
01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:51,000
Speaker 2: the soap, right, so.

1347
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:54,760
Speaker 1: He like he did. Oh yeah, he was on General Hospital.

1348
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:58,320
Speaker 2: For two years in the eighties and then four years

1349
01:11:58,360 --> 01:12:03,640
Speaker 2: in the ADTs. Anyway, Albert MAGNOLDI assured them wouldn't be

1350
01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:05,760
Speaker 2: a problem competing with it.

1351
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:07,799
Speaker 1: He was correct. There were three.

1352
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:10,840
Speaker 2: Test screenings held for the film, Warners were concerned about

1353
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:13,439
Speaker 2: the dumpster tossing scene and had magnoldly take it out

1354
01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:16,360
Speaker 2: for the second, after which he decided it was going

1355
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:19,200
Speaker 2: back in. The first screening was done in Culver City,

1356
01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:21,839
Speaker 2: and the reaction to it was so insane that warners

1357
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:23,840
Speaker 2: thought they were being taken for a ride. They were like,

1358
01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:25,680
Speaker 2: there's no way this can be a real thing, Like

1359
01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:29,320
Speaker 2: you juice these stats. You seated the audience or something.

1360
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:33,360
Speaker 2: So Magnoli told Spin the studio said, we need to

1361
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:35,720
Speaker 2: go to Texas now and screen this in front of

1362
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:38,840
Speaker 2: an all white, redneck audience. A week later, we fly

1363
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:40,880
Speaker 2: down to textit and put it on in front of

1364
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:43,519
Speaker 2: three hundred white kids. Within three minutes, they were all

1365
01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 2: up on their feet. So by he told Rolling Stone,

1366
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:49,920
Speaker 2: by the third screening they said, okay, we have something here.

1367
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:52,519
Speaker 2: They originally thought to put it in two hundred theaters,

1368
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:54,920
Speaker 2: but that jumped to nine hundred, and within a week

1369
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:58,559
Speaker 2: that number jumped to a thousand. This was helped by

1370
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:00,799
Speaker 2: the fact that by the time Purple Rain was released

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01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:03,400
Speaker 2: on July twenty seventh to nineteen eighty four, When Does

1372
01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:07,840
Speaker 2: Cry and Let's Go Crazy had both been enormous singles. Consequently,

1373
01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:08,479
Speaker 2: the film.

1374
01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:10,800
Speaker 1: Knocked Ghostbusters out of the top spot on the weekend

1375
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:15,799
Speaker 1: box office, and while Beverly Hills Cop and Ghostbusters headlined

1376
01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:19,360
Speaker 1: that year's most successful list in terms of box office.

1377
01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:22,320
Speaker 2: Purple Rain narrowly missed out on the making the top ten.

1378
01:13:22,360 --> 01:13:24,640
Speaker 2: It came in at the eleventh spot. It gross to

1379
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:28,200
Speaker 2: very respectable sixty eight point four million on again a

1380
01:13:28,240 --> 01:13:31,759
Speaker 2: seven million dollar budget. And then Prince became the youngest

1381
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:36,240
Speaker 2: ever winner of the Academy Award for Best Original Song Score.

1382
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:39,240
Speaker 2: That is a weird oscar category that has not been

1383
01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:42,360
Speaker 2: given out since him, because then I think they started

1384
01:13:42,360 --> 01:13:45,000
Speaker 2: treating it best Original sore and Best Original Song. But

1385
01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:47,080
Speaker 2: do you know who Prince beat out for that record?

1386
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:47,799
Speaker 1: Uh? Huh?

1387
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:50,920
Speaker 2: George Harrison for Let It Be. He was twenty seven

1388
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:54,240
Speaker 2: when he won that. Whoa Prince beat him by the ear?

1389
01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:58,720
Speaker 1: Wait? Song score? Was that just a consolidated No, I

1390
01:13:58,760 --> 01:13:59,880
Speaker 1: don't understand what that category.

1391
01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:03,519
Speaker 2: I don't know either, yeah, because everyone just does original score.

1392
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:06,120
Speaker 2: I think it was like a weird category that was

1393
01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:12,439
Speaker 2: intended to differentiate between scores that would have been popular

1394
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:15,400
Speaker 2: music versus traditional scores. That's the only reason I can

1395
01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:17,280
Speaker 2: think of the other winner, one of the other winners

1396
01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:21,040
Speaker 2: being George Harrison. Anyway, after they picked up the Oscar,

1397
01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:23,720
Speaker 2: Lisa Coleman told Spin that Prince immediately equipped to the

1398
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:25,880
Speaker 2: band we better run. They're going to think we stole it.

1399
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:32,360
Speaker 2: That said reviews were mixed. There's a long standing anecdote

1400
01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:35,599
Speaker 2: that Prince had a very specific nightmare before the film

1401
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:38,680
Speaker 2: premiered about Ciskel and Ebert ripping it to shreds. But

1402
01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:41,000
Speaker 2: both of them actually loved Purple Ran, and they put

1403
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:43,360
Speaker 2: it on their top ten lists for nineteen eighty four.

1404
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:45,519
Speaker 2: Roger Ebert later called it one of the greatest rock

1405
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:49,280
Speaker 2: movies of all time, which sure Vincent canby at The

1406
01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:51,680
Speaker 2: New York Times had some of my favorite reactions. His

1407
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:54,880
Speaker 2: most famous one is from his review is probably the

1408
01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:57,599
Speaker 2: flashiest album cover ever to be released as a movie.

1409
01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:02,000
Speaker 2: And then later he drops this stonishingly caddy line. With

1410
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:05,519
Speaker 2: his mass of carefully tended black curly locks and his large,

1411
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:09,519
Speaker 2: dark dough eyes, Prince looks in repose like a poster

1412
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:12,720
Speaker 2: of Liza Minelli on which someone has lightly smudged a mustache.

1413
01:15:13,160 --> 01:15:15,599
Speaker 2: When astride his large motorcycle as he is from time

1414
01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:18,640
Speaker 2: to time. The image suggests one of Jim Henson's.

1415
01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:21,600
Speaker 1: Special effects from uppet movie Kermit the Frog on a

1416
01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:26,680
Speaker 1: Harley Davidson So Mean. Unfortunately, as we mentioned in the

1417
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 1: last episode, Prince didn't have particularly long to enjoy the film,

1418
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:33,200
Speaker 1: with the Purple Rain tour starting in November nineteen eighty four.

1419
01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:36,559
Speaker 1: This screwed up much of Albert mcnolay's attempts to get

1420
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:38,960
Speaker 1: a sequel off the ground. As he told Rolling Stone,

1421
01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:41,400
Speaker 1: if you look at the credits of Purple Rain, it said,

1422
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:44,160
Speaker 1: may you live to see the Dawn. That's what I

1423
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:46,759
Speaker 1: wanted to do next with him The Dawn. We discussed

1424
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:49,920
Speaker 1: doing a true musical, singing and dancing a Broadway show

1425
01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:52,639
Speaker 1: on film, but Prince had to go do the Purple

1426
01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:54,639
Speaker 1: Rain tour and that took him away for the next

1427
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:58,320
Speaker 1: two years. Bob Carvallo, princess manager, said that he wanted

1428
01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:00,200
Speaker 1: to start working on The Dawn, but they need did

1429
01:16:00,200 --> 01:16:02,680
Speaker 1: a concert film, so I said I would work on

1430
01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:07,080
Speaker 1: The Sign of the Times movie uncredited. Sadly, while Warners

1431
01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:09,400
Speaker 1: signed Prince for two more movies off the success of

1432
01:16:09,439 --> 01:16:12,360
Speaker 1: Purple Rain, he failed to launch an on screen career

1433
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:15,040
Speaker 1: with it. He was in the director's chair with an

1434
01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:19,240
Speaker 1: uncredited assist from cinematographer Michael Bauhaus for nineteen eighty six

1435
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:23,880
Speaker 1: decidedly misguided Under the Cherry Moon, which is intentional mudge

1436
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:28,360
Speaker 1: to old school screwball romantic comedies. Prince plays a jigglow

1437
01:16:28,479 --> 01:16:31,479
Speaker 1: swindling a French woman on the riviera until he falls

1438
01:16:31,479 --> 01:16:33,639
Speaker 1: in love with one of them. Have you ever seen

1439
01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:34,639
Speaker 1: Under the Cherry Moon?

1440
01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:35,000
Speaker 2: No?

1441
01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:37,960
Speaker 1: Am I missing it.

1442
01:16:37,960 --> 01:16:40,519
Speaker 2: It's something. It's a punishing watch, I would say.

1443
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:43,920
Speaker 1: Under the Cherry Moon grossed just ten point one million

1444
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:48,599
Speaker 1: dollars domestic box office, so not great. The third film

1445
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:51,880
Speaker 1: in Princess Warner's deal, Graffiti Bridge, started out promising enough.

1446
01:16:52,200 --> 01:16:56,280
Speaker 1: Prince's new manager, Arnold's Steifel, was eyeing major players like

1447
01:16:56,360 --> 01:17:03,320
Speaker 1: Kim Bassenger, the aforementioned Kim Passenger, the aforementioned Honeypot Yeah

1448
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:08,400
Speaker 1: with whom Prince was you right? Friendly Patti LaBelle was

1449
01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:12,320
Speaker 1: also considered, and Paula Abdul as both an actress and

1450
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:15,439
Speaker 1: choreographer that would have been cool, and director Jonathan Kaplan,

1451
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:18,960
Speaker 1: who just directed Juddie Foster's Oscar winning turn in The Accused.

1452
01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:21,720
Speaker 1: With all those things in place, I went to Mo

1453
01:17:21,840 --> 01:17:24,240
Speaker 1: Austin at Warner Brothers, and they put up the money,

1454
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:27,960
Speaker 1: Arnold Stiffel told the Hollywood Reporter. But when they said Rollam,

1455
01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:31,439
Speaker 1: instead of Jonathan Caplan directing, it was Prince, and instead

1456
01:17:31,439 --> 01:17:35,880
Speaker 1: of Combassador, it was someone named Ingrid Chavez all rude.

1457
01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:38,120
Speaker 1: Although I don't know who she is either. No, you

1458
01:17:38,120 --> 01:17:39,000
Speaker 1: don't know she is either?

1459
01:17:39,080 --> 01:17:39,160
Speaker 2: No.

1460
01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:41,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. Prince's first cut of the film clocked in it

1461
01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:46,160
Speaker 1: over five hours and even cut down to a spry

1462
01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:51,320
Speaker 1: what two hours? Yeah, failed to make an impact when

1463
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:55,559
Speaker 1: it premiered in nineteen ninety I've never seen graffiti bridge, No, no, no.

1464
01:17:55,800 --> 01:17:58,559
Speaker 1: It pulled in only ten million dollars at the box office.

1465
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:01,479
Speaker 1: By nineteen ninety three, Prince was embroiled in his famous

1466
01:18:01,479 --> 01:18:04,080
Speaker 1: feud with Warner Brothers over his music, during which he

1467
01:18:04,360 --> 01:18:08,080
Speaker 1: scrolled slave on his face, and that was it for

1468
01:18:08,120 --> 01:18:11,240
Speaker 1: his career on the silver screen, unfortunately, which is sad.

1469
01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:12,920
Speaker 1: I feel like he could have made a serious go

1470
01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:17,360
Speaker 1: of it. You really, I don't know. He's fun to watch, Yeah,

1471
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:20,920
Speaker 1: that's true. Prince's one time manager, Bob Carvola, told Spin

1472
01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:25,040
Speaker 1: that he had his own idea for a sequel that

1473
01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:27,599
Speaker 1: sounds like something that we would riff on. It does,

1474
01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:32,639
Speaker 1: doesn't it? Purple Rain two the Further Adventures of the Time,

1475
01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:39,080
Speaker 1: which would have transplanted the rivalry between Prince and Morris

1476
01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:42,080
Speaker 1: Day to Las Vegas, which kind of would rule I

1477
01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:45,200
Speaker 1: would like that very funny. I gotta say.

1478
01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:48,679
Speaker 2: There have been sporadic updates to the Purple Rain legacy, though.

1479
01:18:49,160 --> 01:18:51,800
Speaker 2: In twenty fifteen, the film was remade in Niger with

1480
01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:55,280
Speaker 2: appropriately altered settings, featuring members of the nomadic group of

1481
01:18:55,320 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 2: people known as the Tareg. They are probably most famous

1482
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:02,680
Speaker 2: state side into music circles because the band Tenari when

1483
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:06,040
Speaker 2: are members of this tribe having at one point been

1484
01:19:06,240 --> 01:19:10,200
Speaker 2: like legitimate freedom fighters in the Sub Saharan region. This

1485
01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:12,600
Speaker 2: is just gonna be a funny thing hearing me pronounce this.

1486
01:19:13,160 --> 01:19:14,320
Speaker 2: It was titled.

1487
01:19:13,960 --> 01:19:19,080
Speaker 1: Akunak tadala taha has Oguhai, which translates to rain the

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01:19:19,080 --> 01:19:22,120
Speaker 1: color of blue with a little red in it, because

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01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:25,920
Speaker 1: the tar Egg have no word for purple. Wow. Oh

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01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:26,959
Speaker 1: that's awesome.

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01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:30,960
Speaker 2: Well here's what's crazy. This starred Madu mac Tar who

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01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:33,760
Speaker 2: is currently like having a big moment as like, you know,

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01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:35,760
Speaker 2: once every couple of years the US decides like, oh,

1494
01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:37,920
Speaker 2: we're gonna get really into like an African guitarist. It

1495
01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:42,120
Speaker 2: happened to Ali Farcatore, it happened to Tanaru when currently

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01:19:42,160 --> 01:19:46,920
Speaker 2: it's Midu mak Tar's turn on that semi patronizing you know,

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01:19:47,439 --> 01:19:48,160
Speaker 2: Merry Go Round.

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01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:49,480
Speaker 1: But he shreds.

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01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:52,640
Speaker 2: He's been influenced by his own emission, not only by

1500
01:19:52,680 --> 01:19:56,400
Speaker 2: Ali Farka Torre and Tenari Win, but like Eddie van Halen.

1501
01:19:56,680 --> 01:19:59,280
Speaker 2: His most recent album maybe not recent, but the one

1502
01:19:59,320 --> 01:20:00,800
Speaker 2: that I saw get munch of reviews and the one

1503
01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:03,320
Speaker 2: that I have is called Afrika Victim and it is

1504
01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:04,760
Speaker 2: so shredtastic.

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01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:07,439
Speaker 1: The man rips and Yeah.

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01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:09,680
Speaker 2: In twenty fifteen they made a Purple Rain movie, A

1507
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:10,599
Speaker 2: Nice Year with him.

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01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:12,439
Speaker 1: It was funny.

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01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:16,439
Speaker 2: Director Christopher Kirkley said that because it was made under

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01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:21,599
Speaker 2: restrictive and four conservative Muslim audiences couldn't feature a kiss

1511
01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:25,360
Speaker 2: or any particularly heavy romance, and when he pitched a

1512
01:20:25,400 --> 01:20:28,080
Speaker 2: movie ending hug between the male and female.

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01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:29,719
Speaker 1: Leads, that was also turned down.

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01:20:33,240 --> 01:20:36,599
Speaker 2: Lastly, it was announced in January of this year that

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01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:41,120
Speaker 2: Albert mcnolay's long standing dream of Purple Random musical is

1516
01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:44,400
Speaker 2: coming true. It has a book from music and lyrics,

1517
01:20:44,439 --> 01:20:47,000
Speaker 2: of course, by Prince, with a book from Pultzerprise finalist

1518
01:20:47,080 --> 01:20:52,879
Speaker 2: Brandon Jacobs Jenkins, directed by Tony Award nominee Lilliana Blaine Cruz.

1519
01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:57,240
Speaker 2: Back in twenty eighteen, Universal actually acquired the rights to

1520
01:20:57,280 --> 01:20:59,439
Speaker 2: a selection of print songs. I believe they were eyeing

1521
01:20:59,479 --> 01:21:02,760
Speaker 2: a rocket Man esque big screen musical, but as of

1522
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:04,760
Speaker 2: January twenty four there had been no update on that.

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01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:06,880
Speaker 2: And actually, I'm just going to off the dome this.

1524
01:21:08,479 --> 01:21:13,160
Speaker 2: I believe there was an article about this recently January. Yes,

1525
01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:17,400
Speaker 2: Premirie in Minnesota in spring of twenty twenty five, so

1526
01:21:17,479 --> 01:21:18,760
Speaker 2: that feels appropriate.

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01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:23,040
Speaker 1: It can't be good, right, Oh pishaw. Look at all

1528
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:26,080
Speaker 1: the awards that are attached to it. Yeah, Tony nominee,

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01:21:26,120 --> 01:21:31,360
Speaker 1: a Polizer nominee. Granted they lost, but you know, it

1530
01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:33,799
Speaker 1: seems like the kind of like the kind of project

1531
01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:36,759
Speaker 1: that you get after you get all the critical bona fides,

1532
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:39,240
Speaker 1: and it's like, all right, here's the big pay check.

1533
01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:42,040
Speaker 1: It's gonna suck no matter what you do. But here

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01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:43,639
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of it. There was a rolling

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01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:45,320
Speaker 1: star arcle beut. Let me just quickly see if there's

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01:21:45,320 --> 01:21:47,000
Speaker 1: anything interesting.

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01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:51,760
Speaker 2: So I guess this proposal went back many years ago.

1538
01:21:52,479 --> 01:21:56,800
Speaker 2: Bobby Z said that Prince became very animated after he'd

1539
01:21:56,840 --> 01:22:01,040
Speaker 2: seen Rent and later Hamilton, both of where which he loved.

1540
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:03,320
Speaker 2: Bobby Z said, it was one of those days in

1541
01:22:03,320 --> 01:22:05,360
Speaker 2: the studio and he said, Wow, we should really take

1542
01:22:05,400 --> 01:22:08,519
Speaker 2: this as stage like Broadway. He didn't think he could

1543
01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:10,720
Speaker 2: personally do it because it's a different animal, but he

1544
01:22:10,760 --> 01:22:12,720
Speaker 2: lit up on that, which gives me a feeling that

1545
01:22:12,760 --> 01:22:15,000
Speaker 2: Purple Rain going Forward is in the spirit of something

1546
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:17,720
Speaker 2: creatively in his orbit. It will feature songs not just

1547
01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:19,960
Speaker 2: from Purple Rain, because the album is, of course only

1548
01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:22,639
Speaker 2: nine songs in length. I think they're going to address

1549
01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:24,960
Speaker 2: some of the misogyny like.

1550
01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:28,400
Speaker 1: A big bugsy Berkeley musical number of like people jump

1551
01:22:28,439 --> 01:22:30,040
Speaker 1: cleansing themselves in the waters of like.

1552
01:22:30,240 --> 01:22:34,320
Speaker 2: Lata exactly, they have a big tank on the stage.

1553
01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:38,320
Speaker 2: I'm going to leave the last word on Purple Rain

1554
01:22:38,360 --> 01:22:42,120
Speaker 2: to Questlove. Questlove is a huge avowed fan. He wrote

1555
01:22:42,120 --> 01:22:45,080
Speaker 2: about Prince's legacy when he died twenty sixteen. He's brought

1556
01:22:45,160 --> 01:22:47,400
Speaker 2: him up constantly as a big musical obsession of his.

1557
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:51,360
Speaker 2: He said that after getting his copy of nineteen ninety

1558
01:22:51,439 --> 01:22:53,439
Speaker 2: nine in nineteen eighty two, I think he said he

1559
01:22:53,439 --> 01:22:56,200
Speaker 2: bought it twice because his parents took the first copy.

1560
01:22:57,439 --> 01:23:00,240
Speaker 2: He wrote, Prince was in my ears, and he was

1561
01:23:00,280 --> 01:23:03,680
Speaker 2: in my head starting then I patterned everything in my

1562
01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:06,880
Speaker 2: life after Prince, and then came Purple Rain, and the

1563
01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:10,639
Speaker 2: world changed. Before that, I kept my Prince obsession close

1564
01:23:10,680 --> 01:23:13,400
Speaker 2: to my vest. But the day after the video for

1565
01:23:13,439 --> 01:23:15,640
Speaker 2: Wendove's Cry premiered, I was shocked to see that my

1566
01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:19,120
Speaker 2: secret was out. Everyone suddenly knew what I knew, which

1567
01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:21,439
Speaker 2: is that Prince was like nothing else and that he

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01:23:21,560 --> 01:23:25,040
Speaker 2: was everything. Folks, thank you for listening. This has been

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01:23:25,200 --> 01:23:27,800
Speaker 2: too much information. I'm Alex Heigel.

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01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:36,280
Speaker 1: And I'm Jordan Runtogg. We'll catch you next time. Too

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01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:39,280
Speaker 1: Much Information was a production of iHeart Radio. The show's

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01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:42,679
Speaker 1: executive producers are Noel Brown and Jordan Runtogg. The show's

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01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:45,240
Speaker 1: supervising producer is Michael Alder June.

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01:23:45,400 --> 01:23:48,519
Speaker 2: The show was researched, written and hosted by Jordan Runtogg

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01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:49,640
Speaker 2: and Alex Heigel.

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01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:52,719
Speaker 1: With original music by Seth Applebaum and the Ghost Funk Orchestra.

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01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:55,080
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