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Speaker 1: the Chuck Podcast. Here at Chuck podcast World Headquarters. The

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Speaker 1: Thursday recording means we are at the end of our

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Speaker 1: they've oh sixty or seventy other commitments that I feel

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Speaker 1: like I'm constantly juggling here. But these are good problems

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Speaker 1: is a tribute to the growth of the audience. You

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Speaker 1: guys have been out there. You guys have been terrific.

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Speaker 1: Got my newsphere show coming up later this week. Please

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Speaker 1: tune in for that. We'll have another version of a

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Speaker 1: preview of campaign twenty twenty five. You know, it's interesting

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Speaker 1: I can tell that Campaign twenty twenty five is not

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Speaker 2: You should tune in.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to be doing an election live stream along

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Speaker 1: with pretty much all of my friends in the political

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Speaker 1: data geek world. We're going to be doing it in

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Speaker 1: partnership with my friend Chris Eliza Decision Desk HQ, which

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Speaker 1: is quickly turning into the premier organization for counting and

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Speaker 1: calling elections these days, and so I'm looking forward to

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Speaker 2: But it was interesting. I did my preview on.

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Speaker 1: Substack, and you could just sort of feel the And

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Speaker 1: I think part of it is there's actually no drama

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Speaker 1: that's why people aren't just gobbling up every piece of information,

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Speaker 1: whether it's Virginia governor, feels like you kind of know

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Speaker 1: I am here to tell you folks, New Jersey Governor.

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Speaker 1: I think it's got some drama to it. But for

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Speaker 1: whatever reason, I think the candidates are running. They're pretty

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Speaker 1: normal politicians and we're so used to crazy thanks in

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Speaker 1: our attention. But this week you're reminded when Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: which frankly shouldn't be the case, because we're in the

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Speaker 1: going where is the sense of urgency. We've got deadlines

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Speaker 1: When it doesn't work, I just want to do whatever

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Speaker 1: Number one, I've been telling you there's no Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: So that inability right now of him engaging being interested

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Speaker 1: The fact that there's not. There's just at this point

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Speaker 1: I still think they can declare victory here. They still

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Speaker 1: have Donald Trump on the ropes with health care. He's

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Speaker 1: because the only alternative that's affordable will deny most of

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Speaker 1: you insurance.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: The only way you can create affordable insurance is if

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Speaker 1: But as long and at this point, there is a

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Speaker 1: baseline believe here, pre existing conditions cannot be used to

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Speaker 2: But the point is.

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Speaker 1: The fact that Democrats orchestrated the shutdown and snap benefits

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Speaker 1: You have a restive Republicans, there is a divide among obamacares.

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Speaker 1: we had seen a competent version of Biden for so

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Speaker 1: long in the public SA square. With Trump, right, he's

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Speaker 1: had his meandering, his weight, weave, his crazy. He's been

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Speaker 1: out there for so long that only the folks that

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Speaker 1: are following, that follow him super closely start to notice that, hey,

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Speaker 1: you know this he's using. His vocabulary is shrinking. He

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Speaker 1: seems to be harping on the same stuff. He seems

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Speaker 1: to not quite always know who's all there. And maybe

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Speaker 1: some of it's laziness. I've always said, a big chunk

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Speaker 1: of Donald Trump's misspeak and all that stuff, he's just lazy.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: He never reads a speech before he gives it, you know,

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Speaker 1: let alone actually participates in the writing of any speeches.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: I don't even think he does the dictation into a

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Speaker 1: into his iPhone and then hey, transcribe this as a

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Speaker 1: way to get started on.

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Speaker 2: A speech for speech writers.

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Speaker 1: So there's always been an inherent laziness that weirdly has

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Speaker 1: made me, has given me a sense of hope, hope,

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Speaker 1: hope's not the wrong way, a sense of why I

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Speaker 1: don't assume the worst, because he's too lazy to pursue

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Speaker 1: the worst course, right, the worst course, you know, trying

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Speaker 1: to consolidate power being an authoritarian. There's actually some work

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Speaker 1: that would have to be done, right, you know, if

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Speaker 1: he truly were desired untiltalitarian authoritarian, you know, presidency, he'd

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Speaker 1: be orchestrating a campaign to amend the constitution to allow

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Speaker 1: him to run again, right, to come up with some

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Speaker 1: sort of amendment that somehow would allow him to run,

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Speaker 1: but would bar Barack Obama from running for a third term.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it would be you know, presidents can run for

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Speaker 1: reelection if they don't win reelection the first time, or

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Speaker 1: some bizarre thing, right, the non consecutive to sort of

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Speaker 1: find a to create a non consecutive term loophole. But

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Speaker 1: the fact of the matter is he's he and mag

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Speaker 1: are too lazy to pursue a constitutional option, right, So

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Speaker 1: it's always at you know, if they really you know,

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Speaker 1: if there's an easy shortcut, they'll try it. But if

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Speaker 1: if it's a little more legwork or if it's a

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Speaker 1: little more effort, like writing a health care plan. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's always claimed he wants to come up with a

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Speaker 1: better healthcare plan, that it would be easy, Well do it,

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Speaker 1: write it. But he's lazy, right, you know, he's not.

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Speaker 1: You know, the reason our democracy is, I think safer

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Speaker 1: than some people think, is because of how lazy he is.

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Speaker 1: Just let's not you know, overestimate you know something. He

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Speaker 1: may have desires, but he is too lazy to pursue

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Speaker 1: some of those some of those desires. But I want

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Speaker 1: to go back to this optimism and I want to

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Speaker 1: go back to frankly, a call to action. I think

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Speaker 1: we've all you know, there's one of the ways that

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Speaker 1: some people have explained Trump's success in twenty twenty four

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Speaker 1: over Democrats has been because he's on the right side

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Speaker 1: of eighty twenty issues, right like the border wasn't turned

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Speaker 1: out to be an eighty twenty issue. Transgender women in

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Speaker 1: sports is an eighty twenty issue, you know. So he's

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Speaker 1: been on where Democrats have had to explain exactly why

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Speaker 1: they're on the side of an issue that doesn't have

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Speaker 1: popular support. And you know the rule in politics if

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Speaker 1: you're explaining you're losing. Reforming this government and reforming our

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Speaker 1: constitution is an eighty twenty issue, folks. The lack of

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Speaker 1: leadership in the general common sense middle has been quite frustrating.

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Speaker 1: It does not exist in this current Congress. Nobody has

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Speaker 1: stepped up to be the leader of the common sense

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Speaker 1: movement that says, hey, what we've been doing these last

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Speaker 1: decade is insanity.

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Speaker 2: This is crazy.

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Speaker 1: This is no way to run a lemonade stand, let

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Speaker 1: alone the largest government in the on the globe. And

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Speaker 1: it's about time that we fixed the proverbial metaphorical bridges

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Speaker 1: and roads of the American democracy. Would you tell folks

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Speaker 1: about it? It's in eighty twelve. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that makes sense that we need these things. Getting rid

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Speaker 1: of partisan primaries right like it is obvious. Now you've

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Speaker 1: got to connect these issues to people's day to day lives.

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Speaker 1: It can't just be an esoteric Hey, this is what

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Speaker 1: the founders would have wanted. Right That may that may

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Speaker 1: appeal to someone like me, but that's not going to

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Speaker 1: appeal to the to the everyday American who's not a

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Speaker 1: political or civics junkie, who's simply trying to make the

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Speaker 1: best of their lives, raise their kids, build a nest egg,

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Speaker 1: and and have a good life in this country. But

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Speaker 1: if you tell them that the current system is rigged

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Speaker 1: against them and you want to unrig the system, you

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Speaker 1: can't trust a part of politician to do this on

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Speaker 1: their own because either they don't have the power or

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Speaker 1: they are never going to be looking out for you.

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Speaker 1: They're going to be looking out for their self interests.

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Speaker 1: We need to prevent that. We need to create a structure.

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Speaker 1: We need to update the constitution to change our incentive structures.

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Speaker 1: You know, whether it's getting rid of partisan primaries, putting

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Speaker 1: in a campaign finance reform minimum, putting in age maximums

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Speaker 1: for serving in federal office, whether it's an appointment to

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court or running for the presidency. And yes,

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Speaker 1: all of those are going to have to be constitutional amendments.

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Speaker 1: If you have age minimums in the constitution, it means

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Speaker 1: you have age maximums. The US House was supposed to

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Speaker 1: expand with the population. It is stopped, but you're going

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Speaker 1: to have to force that into the constitution. There's an

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Speaker 1: easy metric to come up with on that point zero

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Speaker 1: zero zero one percent of the population.

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Speaker 2: Boom done.

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Speaker 1: You have your baseline metric for that, and it will

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Speaker 1: easily decide how many congressional districts state. And oh, by

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Speaker 1: the way, the electoral college and the popular vote won't

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Speaker 1: be as easily split if you actually have a Congress

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Speaker 1: and a US House that fits the country. So if

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Speaker 1: you already have a group of voters that are willing

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Speaker 1: to experiment on the first African American president right where

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Speaker 1: there was some skepticism is this going to work? And

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Speaker 1: they were willing to do it, And then you have

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Speaker 1: group of voters that are willing to basically a failed celebrity,

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Speaker 1: fake billionaire as president and try him twice because they

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Speaker 1: want because they know the current system is broken. So

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Speaker 1: this is the good news. The voters already know the

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Speaker 1: system is broken. What we need is a good leader

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Speaker 1: from the common sense center that makes the case of, hey,

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Speaker 1: we can fix this. Are you tired of having to

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Speaker 1: just find a cult of personality that might be able

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Speaker 1: to be the bull in the china shop to shake

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Speaker 1: things up?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: That is not how you run a country. That may

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Speaker 1: be how you run a small business. Right, you get

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Speaker 1: a better leader, and you might be able to transform

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Speaker 1: a small business. It might be a better way to run.

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Speaker 2: A football team.

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Speaker 1: You don't want a democracy deciding deciding a game plan

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Speaker 1: for a football game. Your head coach does need to

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Speaker 1: be an authoritarian of some sorts, benevolent. I think a

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Speaker 1: malevolent coach these days doesn't work, but a benevolent authoritarian.

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Speaker 1: But in this case, just this isn't going to be

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Speaker 1: a functional solution. The functional solution to the dysfunction that

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Speaker 1: we have is to update the rules of our democracy,

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Speaker 1: update the blueprint of our democracy. That's the constitution, that's

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Speaker 1: the leadership that is necessary. And the fact is, and

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Speaker 1: like I said, I just wanted to channel. If you

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Speaker 1: don't believe the public would would support this, you haven't

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Speaker 1: been paying attention.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: The public knows something's wrong, which is why they keep

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Speaker 1: voting against status quo. Whenever they get the chance, they

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Speaker 1: keep throwing people out. Okay, but in fairness to the

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Speaker 1: general public, they've got to live their own lives, and

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Speaker 1: so you need to If you lead them to the stream,

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Speaker 1: they'll drink the reform water. But someone's got to lead

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Speaker 1: them to the stream, and you've got to galvanize it.

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Speaker 1: And again we have seen it. That's why I began

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Speaker 1: with the shutdown and the lack of leadership from the

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Speaker 1: Common Sense Center here, and this is what needs to happen.

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Speaker 1: We're going to continue to sort of, you know, go

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Speaker 1: back and forth, like we've erected barriers in front of

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Speaker 1: the gutter. You know, they have little kids come up,

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Speaker 1: they erect the little barrier so that they don't have

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Speaker 1: to throw a gutter ball. So we always the system

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Speaker 1: does just enough to pure gutter balls presidencies, But we're

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Speaker 1: sort of our ball is slamming back and forth. If

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Speaker 1: we need is a bit a bit smoother set of leaders.

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Speaker 1: But we're not going to get it without an updated

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Speaker 1: structure that creates.

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Speaker 2: The incentives, that makes it so that.

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Speaker 1: Some some terrible leader doesn't take advantage of our weak system,

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Speaker 1: you know, whether it's for personal financial gain, or whether

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Speaker 1: it's for some other pet project that they might have

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Speaker 1: their own narcissism, or whatever it is. And right now

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Speaker 1: our system is weak enough and rickety enough where we've

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Speaker 1: allowed that to happen, and the focus needs to be

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Speaker 1: on preventing the next strump. In some ways, you know,

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Speaker 1: you can tie some things up with lawsuits and it

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Speaker 1: slows things down, it comes up the works, But the

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Speaker 1: real solution is going to be coming with fixing this

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Speaker 1: small d democratic infrastructure. But this lack of interest in

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Speaker 1: a political leader making this the platform to run for

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Speaker 1: national office to galvanize the country on this has been

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Speaker 1: disappointing to me that that somebody hasn't had the guts

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Speaker 1: to go down this road. But I actually think that

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Speaker 1: you have an electorate that is hungry for this. They

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Speaker 1: don't fully know what they're hungry for, they know what

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Speaker 1: they don't want to eat, but they're hungry for this.

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Speaker 1: You just have to make the case and you have

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Speaker 1: to connect it to hey, the shittiness that they feel

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Speaker 1: about how government's been and not helping them live their lives.

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Speaker 1: This better structure will create the We'll create the opportunity

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Speaker 1: so that government can be put to work to simply

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Speaker 1: help you live your life better. So, look, I'm often asked,

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Speaker 1: you know, sometimes I'm a bit pessimistic on here. You know,

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Speaker 1: give people something tangible to be hopeful on. The tangible

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Speaker 1: aspect is we have a hungry electorate that wants change,

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Speaker 1: wants reform. What we need is some leaders that have

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Speaker 1: the guts to pitch the reform in such a way

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Speaker 1: that it is not about themselves, that it is not

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Speaker 1: about Donald Trump alone. Okay, that is about you know,

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Speaker 1: how we end it up in this situation, how two

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Speaker 1: parties exploited Rickety rules to do put us in the

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Speaker 1: situation that we're in. Because I promise you, I know

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Speaker 1: there's some of my friends of the left and think,

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Speaker 1: stop both sidesing this, or some of my friends on

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Speaker 1: the right saying you're you're picking on Trump, You're not

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Speaker 1: doing you're not saying enough about how the left contributed

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Speaker 1: to this. The point is we're never going to get

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Speaker 1: anywhere if we just argue about who's more fault. That's

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Speaker 1: why we need a leader that comes from the eighty

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Speaker 1: This this is an eighty twenty issue, fixing the infrastructure

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Speaker 1: of American democracy. It's an eighty twenty issue, folks. We

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Speaker 1: just need the right leader to grab this, grab this platform,

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Speaker 1: and run with it. The good news is this electorate's

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Speaker 1: hungry for it. They just haven't been given a meal

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Speaker 1: prepared for them in such a way that.

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Speaker 2: They're ready to eat it.

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Speaker 1: All right, with that, we're going to sneak it a break,

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Speaker 1: My guests, You're going to love this conversation. It's my

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Speaker 1: friend Billy Corbyan. He is a documentary filmmaker. He's one

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Speaker 1: of those documentary filmmakers that makes movies that happen to

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Speaker 1: be documentaries rather than just sort of talking head documentaries.

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Speaker 1: This is the man behind the You, so you know

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Speaker 1: why I'm a big fan of him. But he's also

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Speaker 1: behind I think one of the most foundational films you

653
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,280
Speaker 1: can watch to understand the growth of Miami in the eighties.

654
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: It was called Cocaine Cowboys, and it really sort of

655
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 1: put it this way. After seeing and I understood my

656
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: childhood and better if you will. But He's got a

657
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: new documentary. It's actually almost a year old now called

658
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: Men of War, but it couldn't be more timely.

659
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,399
Speaker 2: It is about a failed sort of this.

660
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 1: It centers around a former Canadian military guy who renounces

661
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: his Canadian citizenship to become an American to join the

662
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:26,919
Speaker 1: American military and he just you know, does a bunch

663
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: of tours of duty in Iraq and Afghanistan. Anyway, when

664
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: he's a civilian again, he ends up somehow a mercenary

665
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 1: ready to help with a with a potential coup in Venezuela.

666
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 1: And this was about an attempt about four or five

667
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: years ago to deal with Maduro in Venezuela. There's there's

668
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: some interesting people that make cameos, including Donald Trump's former

669
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 1: body man Keith Schiller, if you remember that name.

670
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 2: The point is the.

671
00:38:55,680 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: Movie is both satirical, but it is it satirical meeting

672
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: it is. If you were trying to make satire, you'd

673
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: be like, well, this is kind of weird, but it's

674
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:07,399
Speaker 1: not right.

675
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 2: This is just what it was.

676
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 1: And now that we're actually in the middle of what

677
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: appears to be a military operation that is really about

678
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: regime change in Venezuela, but we've made up this new

679
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: phrase called narco terrorists, and essentially it's a total gaslighting

680
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: by this administration. Right they are absolutely not telling the

681
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 1: truth about anything they're doing right now in Venezuela. And

682
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: the only things they tell the truth on are the

683
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: ore stuff that we can verify a satellite imagery and

684
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 1: we can verify with the naked eye. But they are

685
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 1: not telling the truth about anything that's going on here.

686
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 1: So this documentary, which you can watch wherever you rent movies, Amazon, Apple,

687
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:53,240
Speaker 1: et cetera, go take a look. But conversation with Billy

688
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: it goes everywhere. We talk a little Florida politics, we

689
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 1: talk a little city of Miami politics, we talk a

690
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 1: little Venezel whale, a little Cuba, and maybe a.

691
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 2: Little bit of Miami Hurricanes football as well.

692
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: So we'll sneaking a break Billy Corban on the other side,

693
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: and then we'll do some questions and the most anticipated segment.

694
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 2: Of the week, my college football preview.

695
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: And joining me now is somebody I've known a long time.

696
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: We share a love of the Miami Hurricanes. We both

697
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: grew up in South South Florida. I always forget exactly

698
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,760
Speaker 1: where you grew up, Billy Miami. I grew up in Miami,

699
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 1: in Miami, which part of Miami.

700
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,839
Speaker 3: On northeast mind, like just east of Joe Robbie Stadium, Right,

701
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 3: you were sort of an Aventura boy. Well, Aventurer didn't exist,

702
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 3: but we you were just we're between ninety five and

703
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 3: Aventura and this sort of No, let's.

704
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: Just let's put it in good Miami terms. I was

705
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:01,879
Speaker 1: a Dadeland Mall kid and accasionally a cutler Ridge Mall kid.

706
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 2: For you, Yeah, my god, you lived in Guanta. My

707
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 2: grandfather lived in p ry No, that is you're yeah,

708
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:11,399
Speaker 2: you're a Southwest kid.

709
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: I was very Northeast and there were those were the

710
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,919
Speaker 1: two like get know, those were sort of the two

711
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: suburban pockets.

712
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 3: Arguably, Yeah, and you would know there would be really

713
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 3: little to no reason for you to ever venture to

714
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 3: that end of the I.

715
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 1: Know, going to north north part of the county is

716
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: like going to Sarasota for me, like it's just like

717
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: could be all the same.

718
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 3: And now more than ever in those es it could

719
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 3: take about a half hour. Now it takes about the mountains.

720
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 1: It might be easier to fly to Sarasota. But Billy,

721
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: you are are, Like I said that probably the definitive

722
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 1: documentary slash film, because I think you're you're one of

723
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: these documentarians. It's a filmmaker who does journalism.

724
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 2: I would say, there's two types.

725
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 1: You know, we know there's I just interviewed the the

726
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 1: gentleman behind the new or Well doc that's out.

727
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 2: Two plus two equals five.

728
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 1: And it's very much a filmmaker who does journalism, not

729
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 1: just a bunch of talking heads and cocaine cowboys. To

730
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 1: this day does a better job of explaining Miami in

731
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 1: the eighties than any other entity you can watch. And

732
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: I think, I think your success since then proves.

733
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 2: That and I think you you.

734
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: Did do this, and so you have found there are

735
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: so many rich stories in Miami to tell. And you

736
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,879
Speaker 1: have another one, Men of War. It couldn't be more

737
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: well timed. It actually came out last year. You can

738
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 1: see it everywhere right Apple, Amazon, anywhere you want to

739
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:44,800
Speaker 1: get this. It is about It's like Bay of Pigs

740
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: for Venezuela. Is that how am I doing?

741
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 2: Like?

742
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 3: Yes, someone said like Bay of pigs. What they call

743
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 3: it Bay of piglets? But someone someone described it as

744
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 3: Rambo meets Firefest.

745
00:42:55,560 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I remember when it came out, when I

746
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: first read about it, I'm like, wow, what this is

747
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 1: interesting and I can't wait to talk to Billy about this. Now,

748
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, we have our interview in the

749
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: United States government. It's taken over. It's amazing.

750
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 3: Where so kind of like semi relevant on the verge

751
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 3: of war with Venezuela and with our documentary about a

752
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 3: failed coup of Venezuela.

753
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 2: That was what happened like five four years ago. So

754
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 2: here we are. Tell me the story.

755
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 1: And you know, in Miami you can always find somebody

756
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 1: who claims they're going to be starting something somewhere.

757
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, well this is a perfect racking tour our company

758
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,280
Speaker 3: Racin Tour, which has been in my beach for twenty

759
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 3: five years.

760
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,359
Speaker 2: And you mentioned Cocaine Cowboys. It turns twenty next year.

761
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 3: Next year is the twentieth anniversary of the first Cocaine

762
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 3: Cowboys documentary.

763
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 2: I made it when I was ten. It's true, of

764
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 2: course you did. Of course you did this. And so

765
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 2: this is what I love to tell people.

766
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: By the way, why it's so, you know, because I

767
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: have often that people you grew up in my in

768
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 1: the eighties, you know it was our cocaine everywhere, and

769
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, it's the strangest thing. It was everywhere,

770
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: but if you weren't involved, it was nowhere. And I

771
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: literally lived next door to somebody who worked for one

772
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: of these cartels, who couldn't have been a better neighbor,

773
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:14,240
Speaker 1: who was just sort of a like And I didn't

774
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: fully know it until after I left, how connected they

775
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: were and it was always happening and right around us.

776
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 1: But if you show if you weren't involved, you never

777
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 1: saw it, well, your doc captured my understanding of it

778
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:28,439
Speaker 1: even better.

779
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 2: The only.

780
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 3: Real world successful case study of Reagan's trickle down economics

781
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,839
Speaker 3: is Miami in the Cocaine Boom, because it really did

782
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,320
Speaker 3: the rising tide, at the risk of using a climate

783
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 3: change metaphor.

784
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,240
Speaker 2: Really did raise all the ships.

785
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 3: And you saw that all over your neighborhood, but you

786
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 3: weren't necessarily touched, Like you didn't have to even be

787
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 3: in the drug business to be positively or negatively for

788
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 3: that matter, impacted by it.

789
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 2: But it wasn't like this idea that drugs were everywhere.

790
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 3: Cocaine was everywhere, but the money, I feel was everywhere,

791
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:02,959
Speaker 3: Like you like.

792
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,359
Speaker 1: No I've always I've compared it to and I think

793
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: we've had this conversation. What bootlegging meant to Chicago is

794
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 1: what the cocaine sort of gang's cartels, whatever you want

795
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: to call them, meant for the rise of Miami. We

796
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: don't have what the modern Miami without these guys, just

797
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 1: like you wouldn't have had the modern Chicago without the

798
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: criminal element.

799
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 3: It's a gold rush. It was a gold rush in

800
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 3: Dodge City. I mean, that's exactly what it was. So

801
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 3: men of war this So listen when you know they

802
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 3: had me at Venezuelan coup hatched in a we work

803
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:39,760
Speaker 3: in downtown Miami.

804
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 2: I mean, you have my attention.

805
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 3: You know, this is our this is our genre, right,

806
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 3: Florida fuckery, which which I can also sum up as

807
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 3: like Florida man behaving badly with international implications.

808
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 2: And that's kind of that's that's really what this is.

809
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 3: And and what was even more intriguing about it for

810
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 3: me is that, like we always look for that irreverence

811
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 3: and that comedy.

812
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 2: Dare I say, in our stories especially.

813
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 1: There's like like Argo had this, you know, right, and

814
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 1: you yours is real life the way you capture.

815
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 2: It it's a great guy. I haven't heard that. Argo

816
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 2: is a great comparison for this, and it does it.

817
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 3: It kind of starts out as this like irreverent, like

818
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 3: geopolitical action thriller, but like by the Coen Brothers almost,

819
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 3: and then it evolves into I think a pretty surprising

820
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 3: character study and of this like of this damaged war

821
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 3: hero and this exploration about like what happens to Captain

822
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 3: America's and g I jans when governments are done playing

823
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 3: with them and in this case, they kind of are

824
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 3: never done playing with them. And this idea of like

825
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,399
Speaker 3: a generation of perpetual war or I should say now

826
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:53,760
Speaker 3: multiple generations of Americans who are who were us trapped

827
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 3: in a perpetual war, and then this idea that what

828
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 3: do you do with these guys after we've invested did

829
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 3: millions of dollars in their training and their deployments in

830
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 3: this case Jordan Goudreau, who is a legit war hero

831
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 3: and you know, with a dozen deployments to Iraq in

832
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:15,839
Speaker 3: Afghanistan starting literally at his age of adulthood, all the way.

833
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: And this is one of those does any human can

834
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: any human do a dozen right? Like I've done? You know,

835
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: as you know, I love me a good documentary. I

836
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 1: promote festivals when I can. I've probably been, I know,

837
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:35,399
Speaker 1: I've helped with two or three of them, showcase these

838
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: documentaries about how this stuff just totally damages guys after

839
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:42,919
Speaker 1: the third or fourth tour and a dude doesn't. I mean,

840
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: it's I don't know if the human brain can handle it,

841
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 1: and his could until it couldn't anymore.

842
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 3: And it's really something to just see how we abuse

843
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 3: these men and women when they come home, and by

844
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 3: abusing them just by doing nothing for them, like providing

845
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 3: little to.

846
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: Know, so we break them emotionally. We make that where

847
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: they are incapable of just having normal interactions and normal relations.

848
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 1: It's it's it's a.

849
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 2: But hey, this is Pete Haiksteth's Warrior Ethos, right, Well.

850
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 3: This is a human tragedy. And if it's if it

851
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 3: applies to this guy, it applies to you know, mountless

852
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 3: managed women, you know, coming back from the His grandfather

853
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 3: was his hero, who fought in World War One, trained

854
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 3: soldiers for World War Two. But he describes accurately he

855
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 3: went to war and then he came home from war

856
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 3: and that was the end of it. This guy lived

857
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 3: in war and would occasionally get a hiatus, you know,

858
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 3: to come back home.

859
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 2: But for him, there was no home. For him.

860
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 3: It was Fort Brad was his home because he was

861
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 3: a Canadian kid who was kind of a rough kid

862
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 3: in school and decided to go to the mill into

863
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 3: the military early in Canada.

864
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 2: Needed his mother to sign off because he was only

865
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 2: straightened himself out. That's always one of those, yeah stories.

866
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,280
Speaker 3: One of those exactly, And his mom had to sign

867
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 3: off on it because he was only seventeen. And then

868
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 3: he goes into the Canadian military and he's bored. He's

869
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 3: bored because he knows he's never going to see any

870
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 3: action and there's not a lot going on. So he

871
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 3: decides to move to the United States and join the

872
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:27,359
Speaker 3: army the military here, and he does so less than

873
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 3: one year before the nine to eleven terrorist attacks. And

874
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:35,359
Speaker 3: so he describes a scene at Fort Brad he well,

875
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 3: as he often does, he compares it to pop culture

876
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 3: and to movies. He's kind of a he's kind of

877
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 3: a postmodern soldier in the way the Sopranos were postmodern gangsters.

878
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 3: You know, they're constantly referencing the pop culture that they

879
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 3: are both like making new and emulating at the same time.

880
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 2: It's like it's life imitating art imitating life.

881
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 1: See how I described Trump. I say, he's a movie mobster.

882
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 1: Like he's not a real mom uster, but he plays

883
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 1: a movie mobster in real life.

884
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, life imitating art imitating life imitating art. It's like this,

885
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 3: it's this. We're stuck in that postmodern cycle now, and

886
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 3: that's what this this This guy Jordan's constantly making allusions

887
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:15,879
Speaker 3: to James Bond. I think he is double O seven

888
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 3: in his email address, you know, to Jason Bourne, to Rambo,

889
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 3: to in this case Starship Troopers. He wants to be

890
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:25,399
Speaker 3: a super soldier, is what you're sapaying. And he was

891
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 3: for a time, there's no denying it. And but like

892
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 3: this is you were talking about sort of the mentality

893
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 3: and what the human brain is capable of as a warrior.

894
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 3: And he described this scene comparing it to Starship Troopers,

895
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 3: where everybody cannot suppress their joy at going to war,

896
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 3: like the fist pumping and the the high fiving, and

897
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 3: like we're going to war like so where the rest

898
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 3: of us we're watching, we can put ourselves in that moment,

899
00:50:56,680 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 3: watching the twin Towers on television and just the state

900
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 3: of mind that we were in, of shock, of fear,

901
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 3: of uncertainty. These guys on base were like, fuck yeah,

902
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 3: you know that Team America, you know American Fuck yeah,

903
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 3: Like that's going crazy, you know. But but again that's

904
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 3: a mentality. And and there's a moment where I'm like,

905
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 3: fuck yeah, I want you on that wall.

906
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 2: I need you on that wall.

907
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,439
Speaker 1: And by the way, there are times you want those

908
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 1: are the soldiers you want there, you know, right, those

909
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,839
Speaker 1: are the guys you want out there if if, if

910
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 1: shit's gonna happen.

911
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 3: And he is one of those guys, and they and

912
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 3: he renounced his Canadian citizenship so that he could expedite

913
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 3: his Green Beret, his Special Forces training, and so we

914
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 3: could get the you know, the the access to classified

915
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 3: you know, the clearance that he needed. And he was

916
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 3: and he became an American hero like kind of overnight.

917
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 1: So how does he get into the world of trying

918
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 1: to overthrow Maduro.

919
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,320
Speaker 3: It's like us, Chuck, when we're done with corporate media,

920
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,959
Speaker 3: we go indy, right, we go we become mercenaries.

921
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 1: That's kind of we Well that's what he became. He's right,

922
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 1: one of those mercenaries, right.

923
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 3: He wanted to be Eric Prince when he grew up,

924
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 3: you know, that's what he wanted to do. And so

925
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 3: he starts this company. Here's a deleted scene. You didn't

926
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 3: get this. It's really interesting. He starts this company, silvercre

927
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 3: In like Sarasota, Florida, shortly after the tragedy, well, the

928
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 3: mass shooting at Marjorie Stoneman Douglas implantation. He gets this one,

929
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 3: I think is a very good idea many years later,

930
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 3: I feel like Lindsay Graham floated it on an interview someone.

931
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:43,280
Speaker 3: But Jordan's idea was that in order to make work

932
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 3: and protect schools, he was going to start a company

933
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 3: that took former soldiers, retired soldiers in plane clothes or

934
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 3: in suits and ties, and was going to get contracts

935
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 3: with school boards or public schools and systems and put

936
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 3: these guys into schools as safety officers, security whatever you

937
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 3: want to call them, better train.

938
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 1: Than probably regular law enforcement officers at least on that

939
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 1: kind of stuff.

940
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and also again like what do these guys do.

941
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 3: We've spent, we've invested as taxpayers as a military, so

942
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,479
Speaker 3: much money in training these men and women.

943
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 2: Why not why not get the roi, you know, so

944
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:25,240
Speaker 2: to speak.

945
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 3: And so this was his idea, and he started to

946
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,760
Speaker 3: go to like, you know, PTA conventions and school board

947
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,359
Speaker 3: conventions and started it never quite got off the ground,

948
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 3: but that's where this started. And it evolved into an

949
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 3: opportunity to go to Puerto Rico after the hurricane and

950
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 3: do some hurricane relief and security efforts down there. And

951
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 3: then kind of one thing led to another and he

952
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:51,320
Speaker 3: winds up working a Trump rally I think in Tampa,

953
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:57,320
Speaker 3: Florida as security, playing close security. This is pre twenty

954
00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 3: sixteen or during the time, say during the twenty sixteen campaign.

955
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 3: And now he kind of falls into some kind of

956
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,919
Speaker 3: upper level people in the first Trump administration, including this

957
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 3: this guy, Keith Schiller, who was the President's body.

958
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 1: Man from Miss Trump body man for he was the president. Yeah,

959
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 1: I mean he was.

960
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 3: I mean the kind of loyalty that this president demands,

961
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 3: the kind of guy who was not just by his

962
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:27,800
Speaker 3: side but in front of him, you know, for decades

963
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:31,800
Speaker 3: at the Trump organization. And so this guy is working

964
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 3: for a company and they start having conversations about what

965
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 3: they're calling humanitarian aid in Venezuela. I think I should

966
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:41,240
Speaker 3: maybe should I do air quotes.

967
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,839
Speaker 2: I'm doing quotes for it. Ye so hard.

968
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 3: I'm getting crympal tunnel right now from my haircut. But like,

969
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 3: but so, there is some discrepancy about this we work

970
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 3: meeting Chuck and whether or not it was about you know,

971
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 3: humanitarian aid or whether there was an overt conversation about

972
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 3: regime change, and depending on who you asked. I think

973
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 3: Keith Schuller said he was present for a conversation about

974
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 3: humanitarian aid and if there was any talk about military

975
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,760
Speaker 3: or intervention, it happened while he was in the bathroom,

976
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 3: is what he said.

977
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:16,359
Speaker 2: So that's a direct quote.

978
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 3: You know.

979
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:18,919
Speaker 1: It's funny about all of Trump World, like that they're

980
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: all well trained. Jason Miller was king of this with me.

981
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, I heard this, What can you tell me

982
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: about this? And he says, well, I haven't heard it,

983
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 1: but it's possible you did, Like would never rule it out,

984
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 1: like you don't because you learn in Trump World somebody

985
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 1: you know, every reporter has six people in Trump World

986
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:41,359
Speaker 1: on speed dial, not just one or two.

987
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 2: Everybody's running to the bathroom, you know, everybody's figured out.

988
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, you didn't hear everything, and you probably don't try

989
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,839
Speaker 1: to own everything, because you won't. I mean Trump had

990
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 1: literally two different political consulting teams looking at twenty twelve,

991
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 1: and the two didn't know the other was working for him.

992
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:02,319
Speaker 1: Roger Stone was doing one, and he had he had

993
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 1: these other aunt Michael Cohen doing another, and they weren't communicating.

994
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:08,320
Speaker 3: Well that's how that's how you get the best intel

995
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:11,280
Speaker 3: I guess right, yes, yeah, accurate information.

996
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 2: But uh, this guy gets dragged into this scheme. The

997
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:18,320
Speaker 2: question is what was this scheme?

998
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:22,919
Speaker 3: Jordan comes along with a lot of receipts, a lot

999
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 3: of text messages, a lot of video. Again, he was postmodern.

1000
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 3: He was kind of self documenting a lot of this

1001
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:34,720
Speaker 3: adventure on social media, on private.

1002
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 1: Sort of building, you know, just to protect himself or

1003
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 1: just because you just said he's postmodern, meaning this is

1004
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: just the way the world works.

1005
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:45,760
Speaker 2: I'm gonna share it all. I think there was three reasons.

1006
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 2: One was self promotion.

1007
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:48,880
Speaker 3: I mean you can see on his Instagram it's you

1008
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 3: know a lot of you know, bad sort of you

1009
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 3: know Rambo stuff, and hire me to help. We're the

1010
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:59,799
Speaker 3: only ones who can help. Second is self preservation. He

1011
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 3: does does indicating the documentary that as you know, being

1012
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 3: trained in the military, He's like, I should record, I

1013
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 3: should memorialize this to ensure that in the event that

1014
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:13,959
Speaker 3: they deny my you know, the mission impossible style. He yeah,

1015
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 3: he there was in his contract because ultimately he signs

1016
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 3: a contract with this so called interim government of Venezuela,

1017
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 3: this Juan Guido character, who's an interesting Guido.

1018
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, right, yeah, So.

1019
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 3: He signs this contract and there is this this kind

1020
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 3: of disclaimer clause, this mission impossible clause, in the event

1021
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 3: that you and your men get captured, we will disavow

1022
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 3: your existence, like any knowledge of of you, this contract

1023
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 3: to your existence, et cetera. So he was recording for that.

1024
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 3: And lastly, at some point, well two points, the funding

1025
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 3: fell through his Parkers fell through at least twice that

1026
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 3: I know of, and he needed he actually he made

1027
00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 3: a sizzle reel chuck to go out to investors, to

1028
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 3: private investors to finance his coup. So the video that

1029
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 3: he was, you know, he had some videographers embedded so

1030
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 3: that he could put together a trailer basically for his

1031
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 3: for his proposed coup and go out to financiers. And

1032
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 3: so those were the three the three. It's very convenian

1033
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 3: for documentarians now that No, I mean, you know, you went.

1034
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 1: So much access and footage that it almost felt like

1035
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 1: this was a ruse.

1036
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 2: Yet there were various times when I felt like, is

1037
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 2: this guy are you being played? Yeah? Were you worried

1038
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 2: you were being played?

1039
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 3: Well, I mean he is not the world's most reliable narrator,

1040
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 3: which I think is part of what makes this story

1041
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 3: so compelling. But then when you're when you're thinking this

1042
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 3: this is at its most outlandish, suddenly he produces receipts.

1043
00:58:54,480 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 3: There's text messages, Instagram, dms, emails, videos, audio recordings, and

1044
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 3: you're like, oh shit, I guess this really did. But

1045
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 3: think about your own experience in Miami.

1046
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 2: Is it shocking?

1047
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 1: It's you know, it's never shocking in Miami. There is

1048
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:12,600
Speaker 1: weird There is a weird amount of those type of

1049
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 1: people always in circulation in Miami, Florida.

1050
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 3: Rarely shocks me, but regularly disappoints me. So that's a

1051
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 3: good way of putting that. Yeah, and no, but you're right.

1052
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 3: I mean, listen, the assassination of a Haitian president at

1053
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 3: the same time happened out of out of Miami.

1054
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 2: It was basically planned out of Miami.

1055
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 3: Well totally see. I don't think it the we work

1056
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 3: per se. But maybe they had an Airbnb. I don't

1057
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 3: know Verba, I'm not sure. But but no, I mean

1058
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 3: this is this is always right. My Miami is America's Casablanca,

1059
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 3: and like this is where and like I've always my

1060
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 3: pastime here has always been dive bars. I'm not much

1061
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 3: of a club guy, because you go to a dive

1062
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 3: bar in Miami and you want to find the crustiest

1063
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 3: old dude you can find. I mean literally a guy

1064
00:59:57,720 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 3: who just who just looks like, you know, a crustae

1065
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 3: like growing on a pile on you.

1066
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 2: And you know, way too sun dried, you know.

1067
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 3: And he's like he's like attached to the barstool and

1068
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 3: idle up. You strike up a conversation, and invariably you're

1069
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 3: talking to a guy that just left federal prison three

1070
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 3: days ago, or a deposed Third world dictator or his

1071
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 3: son or what like.

1072
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 1: No, you go to the publics and you're running to Bolsonaro, right,

1073
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 1: like that happens one hundred.

1074
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 3: That is like like just a thing. It's it's just

1075
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 3: a thing that in Miami and still is and so

1076
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:37,439
Speaker 3: these characters are you could argue, are are pretty commonplace

1077
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 3: down here, so it's it's it's easy to to doubt it,

1078
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 3: and then it's really easy to.

1079
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 2: To go But no, but because Miami, right, like of course.

1080
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 1: So I'm just curre is what's been your reception in

1081
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 1: the Venezuelan community in Miami to this doc.

1082
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 3: It's a good question. I'm mostly very positive. I think

1083
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 3: there was a lot of people who are skeptical about

1084
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 3: Wanguido and this interim government. By the way, that's I

1085
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 3: want to be the fake president of a country, of

1086
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:21,080
Speaker 3: an oil rich country when I grow up, because that

1087
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:24,439
Speaker 3: is quite a hustle. I mean, being the so called

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01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 3: democratically elected president.

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Speaker 2: In what are they like in exile?

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01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 3: But he was living in Caracas, which strikes me that

1091
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 3: like do you not have to pay a viig to

1092
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:36,920
Speaker 3: the dictator when you're living in like how dangerous?

1093
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 1: Well this is like Maduro's and before him, Chavez's genius.

1094
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 1: It was this weird way and it, frankly, it's a

1095
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:48,680
Speaker 1: pattern Trump is following. And I always vacillate by how

1096
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 1: far down the road to go and the whole what

1097
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 1: is Trump? And authoritarian? All this stuff and you know,

1098
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:58,200
Speaker 1: I think he I think he's so lazy. He wants

1099
01:01:58,240 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 1: to be but he's too lazy to make it happen.

1100
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 2: But either way, right, he surrounded himself with the right

1101
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 2: people to help.

1102
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 1: That's right, and he it is there's something about there's

1103
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 1: something about you know, being able to I guess it

1104
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 1: was like, this is what the Shah did, right, we

1105
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:23,440
Speaker 1: have these there's a there's a few other like leaders

1106
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 1: in exile from the Middle East or from African country.

1107
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:29,120
Speaker 2: It's it's the w W E. Yeah, that's what I mean.

1108
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 2: It's it's the Harlem globe trotters and the Washington generals.

1109
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 2: I mean, it's and what you're doing. In some ways.

1110
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 1: What I loved about this is I have a feeling

1111
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 1: this is what what the Cuban community was like in

1112
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 1: the sixties before you and I were born in Miami,

1113
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 1: when they were constantly somebody saying no, no, no, no, no,

1114
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 1: I've got I've got all this land, I've got all

1115
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 1: this power, I can do all this. And I feel

1116
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:53,720
Speaker 1: like that's what Guido and others do with Venezuela.

1117
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 2: Every now.

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01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, there's always like a next the next president

1119
01:02:57,000 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 3: or the president of a free Cuba. Listen, Marca Ruby

1120
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 3: once to everybody in Miami wants to be the president

1121
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 3: of a free Cuba. You know, it's it's so so

1122
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 3: that's I think that that I don't know that well.

1123
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 3: I mean, I'd love to see that, but just just

1124
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:13,080
Speaker 3: so I could go to Cuba. I've never been to Cuba.

1125
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 3: My grandparents used to talk about going to You never

1126
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 3: you never tried to go.

1127
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 2: I went once.

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Speaker 1: You know what I went. You know, I went looking

1129
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 1: two thousand. I happened to be there during the summer

1130
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 1: of eleon, Oh my god. And I went through Mexico City.

1131
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 1: You know, my statute of limitations is up, so I

1132
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:33,520
Speaker 1: fully will Are you sure?

1133
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:34,800
Speaker 2: I don't you know what?

1134
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 1: You know that just because just because the law should apply,

1135
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:43,720
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean it will, right, And uh.

1136
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 2: I'm really glad I did.

1137
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:49,920
Speaker 1: It is the greatest lesson of why communism is a

1138
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:54,160
Speaker 1: failure than I've ever really And here's the here's the

1139
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 1: thing that sticks is stuck with me the most been

1140
01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:01,360
Speaker 1: twenty five years. There's a real reason why those all

1141
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:05,280
Speaker 1: those nineteen fifties cars are in pristine condition down there.

1142
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 1: It's the only thing you're allowed to own.

1143
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:08,800
Speaker 2: Yep.

1144
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:11,680
Speaker 1: You don't own your where you live, you don't own

1145
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:13,720
Speaker 1: any of that stuff. So all of that stuff is

1146
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 1: just a pig style nobody. Most people don't keep there

1147
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:19,720
Speaker 1: because it's not theirs. It's just a government hand on

1148
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 1: all this stuff. But what they own, that car, that's theirs,

1149
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:27,960
Speaker 1: and there is a reason why they're in amazing and

1150
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:32,160
Speaker 1: it's just a it's my way of understanding. This is innate,

1151
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 1: you know what belongs to me. No industrial Revolution, it's the.

1152
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:36,360
Speaker 2: Last thing.

1153
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:44,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, before the and people saying having to whisper in

1154
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 1: order to tell you what they really feel. It was

1155
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:49,080
Speaker 1: that it was an important experience for.

1156
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:51,040
Speaker 2: Me having grown up in Miami.

1157
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 3: I grew up with a certain you know, conservative right

1158
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:55,760
Speaker 3: wing think about.

1159
01:04:56,880 --> 01:04:58,600
Speaker 2: And we both probably both did.

1160
01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I could never understand for me like I was

1161
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:04,520
Speaker 3: very much you know, I'm very much about the Davida.

1162
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 3: I'm very much like I will go to I will

1163
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 3: spend my money in Cuba when it is free, when

1164
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 3: I am not, when I don't feel like I am

1165
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 3: supporting or buttressing that evil dictator. All the Cubans in

1166
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 3: Miami send money down there and going.

1167
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:21,960
Speaker 1: I felt like I don't. I felt like I was

1168
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 1: there to help the people that are stuck. It is

1169
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:27,200
Speaker 1: funny once you get there, you realize that's actually the

1170
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 1: reason to visit is to give them some hope.

1171
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:32,440
Speaker 2: Interesting, well, listen, I was always a big bill.

1172
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:37,360
Speaker 3: I've never really understood or not never, but as time

1173
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:40,880
Speaker 3: war on, never failed to understand came to fail to

1174
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:45,480
Speaker 3: understand the wisdom of the embargo because like I thought,

1175
01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:48,200
Speaker 3: either like yeah, I felt like, well, free trade is

1176
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:50,480
Speaker 3: probably the best hope we have, both to bring hope

1177
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:53,200
Speaker 3: to the people, obviously, to stop the suffering. I mean,

1178
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 3: it's a humanitarian crisis there as we speak, and finally

1179
01:05:56,880 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 3: to maybe bring a taste of of American freedom and capitalism.

1180
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:05,160
Speaker 3: I never really understood it, but I also felt very

1181
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:07,640
Speaker 3: hardlined about it that I'm like, you know, I'm like,

1182
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:08,640
Speaker 3: you know, fuck Fidell.

1183
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:12,760
Speaker 1: Because we liked our we you know, we we liked

1184
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:15,720
Speaker 1: our Cuban friends and neighbors, and it was really important

1185
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:16,000
Speaker 1: to them.

1186
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 3: I understood, But I also, like, I feel so much

1187
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 3: of it is like not been ingenuous, Chuck, Like, like,

1188
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 3: I feel so much of it has been like if

1189
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 3: not a lie, then just certainly misinformation or probably.

1190
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:33,720
Speaker 1: Well yeah, I will tell you. I mean I had

1191
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:36,720
Speaker 1: firsthand experience. My grandfather was an engineer.

1192
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 2: He moved.

1193
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:39,320
Speaker 1: The whole reason my family ended up down in Miami

1194
01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:43,040
Speaker 1: was my grandfather got a got an engineering contract to

1195
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:46,760
Speaker 1: build sugarcane plants to help with sugarcane plants in Havana,

1196
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:50,120
Speaker 1: in Cuba, not Havana, and so he moved his business

1197
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 1: from Iowa to Miami in.

1198
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:53,480
Speaker 2: Order to go.

1199
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:56,880
Speaker 1: And you know, we're one of the non Cuban Miami

1200
01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:59,560
Speaker 1: families that says, oh, you have no idea how how

1201
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:02,439
Speaker 1: much more wealth we might have had if type of thing.

1202
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:05,360
Speaker 1: But my grandfather used to constantly tell stories he was

1203
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:07,400
Speaker 1: living in the more rural parts of Cuba when he

1204
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:12,040
Speaker 1: would go down there, and he had to keep photographs

1205
01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:15,960
Speaker 1: of Fidel in his trailer in order to make sure

1206
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:18,959
Speaker 1: he didn't get harassed by Fidel's guys. And the point

1207
01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:22,000
Speaker 1: he was saying, he had CIA interviewing him and other

1208
01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:24,680
Speaker 1: American businessman saying, hey, what do you think of Fidel,

1209
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:27,920
Speaker 1: And he'd be like, he's no better than Batista, And

1210
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:30,000
Speaker 1: it was like there was a whole bunch of American

1211
01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 1: businessmen who who are like, don't trust this Fidel guy.

1212
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:37,320
Speaker 1: And even as the CIA was working to overthrow Batista

1213
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:40,080
Speaker 1: and thinking Fidel was going to be their guy. It

1214
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:43,439
Speaker 1: is that is where there's an ingenuineness to this entire

1215
01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:46,800
Speaker 1: Cuba story, is the role that America played in getting

1216
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 1: Fidel into power.

1217
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:49,520
Speaker 3: Truly, the idea that has sort of been a sixty

1218
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:52,840
Speaker 3: year battle of my dictators better than your dictator, And

1219
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:56,480
Speaker 3: basically that's right. Yeah, I mean, my grandfather was in

1220
01:07:56,560 --> 01:08:01,080
Speaker 3: Cuba in nineteen sixty before anybody knew who this guy

1221
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:03,240
Speaker 3: was as bad as he was right right, who this

1222
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:06,600
Speaker 3: guy was gonna be and whose allies were. He was

1223
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:08,720
Speaker 3: in the lobby of the Hilton along with all the

1224
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 3: other businessmen looking for me.

1225
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 1: He was like he had all sorts of friends and

1226
01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:15,480
Speaker 1: right because he had. It was like a presidential election

1227
01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:18,599
Speaker 1: in Cuba, except it was two dictators with their little armies,

1228
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:22,280
Speaker 1: Batista versus Castro, but they each had their funders.

1229
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:25,600
Speaker 3: My grand my grandfather was with a buddy or his

1230
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:29,439
Speaker 3: business partner who was friendly with Rita Hayworth, and so

1231
01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:31,520
Speaker 3: they were sitting with Rita Hayworth.

1232
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:33,640
Speaker 1: In the feeling our grandfathers probably knew each other and

1233
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:34,560
Speaker 1: didn't realize.

1234
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:39,040
Speaker 2: It, but feeling they probably did. And so what happened was.

1235
01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:41,479
Speaker 3: I said to Grandpa, I'm like, did you ever get

1236
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:43,200
Speaker 3: an audience with Fidel?

1237
01:08:43,320 --> 01:08:44,200
Speaker 2: He goes, No, he goes.

1238
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:48,360
Speaker 3: But Rita did and because because somebody came down to

1239
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:50,000
Speaker 3: the lobby and.

1240
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:54,120
Speaker 2: To go get her, to get her, and she loved them.

1241
01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:57,120
Speaker 3: But they never came for my grandfather and his partner

1242
01:08:57,120 --> 01:08:59,280
Speaker 3: to have their meeting. And then of course the ship

1243
01:08:59,400 --> 01:09:01,160
Speaker 3: hit the fan, and that was the end of doing

1244
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:03,679
Speaker 3: business with Cuba, you know, yeah.

1245
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:06,639
Speaker 1: No, And that's why I just sort of is that

1246
01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:10,600
Speaker 1: the vet is is there that kind of expat Venezuelan

1247
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:14,120
Speaker 1: in Miami the way there was those expat Cuba Jude Darrowzuela.

1248
01:09:14,280 --> 01:09:17,360
Speaker 2: I mean, we have a whole municipality that you know.

1249
01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:20,120
Speaker 3: I often say that that, and this is true of

1250
01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:23,160
Speaker 3: a lot of major America, you know, diverse American cities.

1251
01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:24,840
Speaker 3: If I'm allowed to use that word, the d word,

1252
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:29,080
Speaker 3: then you know, there's a misconception that Miami is a

1253
01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:31,439
Speaker 3: is a melting pot, and we are not a melting pot.

1254
01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:33,599
Speaker 3: We are far more akin to a TV dinner where

1255
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 3: sometimes the peas fall into the mashed potatoes, you know,

1256
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:39,479
Speaker 3: And and obviously we'll.

1257
01:09:39,320 --> 01:09:41,960
Speaker 1: Share the same county boundary. But my god, there's like

1258
01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:45,280
Speaker 1: seven ethnicities and nationalities represented within it.

1259
01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:47,400
Speaker 3: And you better not get into a road rage incident

1260
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:49,320
Speaker 3: until you see which flag is hanging from.

1261
01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:50,920
Speaker 2: The rear view. I'll tell you that right now.

1262
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:54,839
Speaker 3: I mean, and there's just self segregation. Listen in Miami

1263
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:59,240
Speaker 3: Beach alone, in North what they call North Beach, every block,

1264
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:02,840
Speaker 3: this is the Venezuelan building, This is the Brazilian building,

1265
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:05,639
Speaker 3: This is the Argentinian building because one person moves there

1266
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:09,200
Speaker 3: and then friends and the flats literally on the balcony.

1267
01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:11,639
Speaker 3: The flags are flying at World Cup time.

1268
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:14,519
Speaker 1: It's very That's when you really see it was always

1269
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:16,360
Speaker 1: World Cup tribe.

1270
01:10:17,160 --> 01:10:19,760
Speaker 2: Where rival is it? Yes, during the.

1271
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:22,479
Speaker 1: World Cup I remember that feeling in eighty two and

1272
01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:25,720
Speaker 1: in eighty six, right when Argentina won, it felt like

1273
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:28,759
Speaker 1: Miami blew up, like it was like the It was

1274
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:31,080
Speaker 1: like why I knew we had some Argentinians here, I

1275
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:32,000
Speaker 1: didn't realize how many.

1276
01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:35,640
Speaker 3: You know, but Durrau they call it Duauzuela because of

1277
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:40,720
Speaker 3: the I think it's the largest Venezuelan population out in

1278
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:46,160
Speaker 3: the country outside of Yeah so and and I think

1279
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:49,639
Speaker 3: sixty percent of them voted for Trump, who are who

1280
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:52,120
Speaker 3: are legal registered vote, and now we're seeing the Wall

1281
01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:54,320
Speaker 3: Street Journal just covered a few weeks ago there's like

1282
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:58,400
Speaker 3: this peculiar exodus, like literally people leaving their furniture and

1283
01:10:58,439 --> 01:11:02,240
Speaker 3: their clothes and their belonging and just disappearing, some of

1284
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:05,040
Speaker 3: them going to Spain, some of them leaving the state,

1285
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:08,240
Speaker 3: some of them going back to Venezuela for crying out loud.

1286
01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 3: So there's like this, there's a disproportionate number of like

1287
01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:15,520
Speaker 3: of of vacancies in rental.

1288
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:18,160
Speaker 2: Units in terral which has been growing exponentially.

1289
01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:22,519
Speaker 3: There's a the starting price for a for a rental

1290
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:25,200
Speaker 3: unit is much lower than it is in the rest

1291
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:25,839
Speaker 3: of the county.

1292
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:28,800
Speaker 1: Well, they've made you know, they targeted, you know when

1293
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:32,400
Speaker 1: they when Steven Miller took you know, Steven Miller wanted

1294
01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:35,960
Speaker 1: to up the deportation numbers and there were too many

1295
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:42,960
Speaker 1: groups that had Temporary Protected Status TPS status, including Venezuelans

1296
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:45,559
Speaker 1: for like a real reason, right, you know, you have

1297
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:49,960
Speaker 1: a regime that will target these people if they go home,

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Speaker 1: like this is a real issue, and they simply wanted

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Speaker 1: to up their numbers. They take it away, and I

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Speaker 1: think this is you know, look, I've seen those a

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Speaker 1: few of those stories before. I think the Herald did

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Speaker 1: one about we voted for Trump. We thought he was

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Speaker 1: going to protect our people.

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Speaker 2: And he didn't. He go and he goes.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know that the President signed an

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Speaker 3: executive order on March first of this year declaring English

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Speaker 3: the official language of the United States of America.

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Speaker 2: They did, we not get the memo down here? What happened?

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Speaker 2: I mean, are we? Are we?

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Speaker 3: I mean, if they're going to start hitting Miami and

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Speaker 3: profiling and listening for I mean, there's a lot of

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Speaker 3: people or even people, if they are going after quote

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Speaker 3: unquote convicted criminals, there's a lot of our friends and

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Speaker 3: neighbors who did their time decades ago and who have

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Speaker 3: gotten out and have since been relatively productive members of society.

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Speaker 3: They do their annual check ins with ICE, you know,

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Speaker 3: they pay their taxes, they have jobs, their parents, their

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Speaker 3: business owners, their homeowners. And if we're going to say, oh, well,

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01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:51,200
Speaker 3: you got convicted of something thirty years ago or twenty

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Speaker 3: years old, forty years then I'm telling you there's gonna

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Speaker 3: be there's gonna be a listen, it's really going to

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Speaker 3: stabilize our housing market now for us locals because we can't.

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Speaker 2: Afford houses uh here right now.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's it doesn't It doesn't seem entirely productive

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Speaker 3: to vote to deport yourself and it It also was

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Speaker 3: surprising to me because I thought, what a fabulous moment

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Speaker 3: in history to have our first Cuban American secretary of

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Speaker 3: State and then to watch his soul leave his body

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Speaker 3: in the Oval Office sitting with you know, sitting with

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Speaker 3: you know, Putin somewhere sitting with with with with Zelenski.

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Speaker 2: Like just it's it was. It made me feel like.

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Speaker 3: So much of my childhood in my Miami education wasn't

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Speaker 3: by like it's really.

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Speaker 1: I guess I still think there's a little Anakin Skywalker

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Speaker 1: in Rubio. And I say this, I'll say it this way.

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Speaker 1: He keeps he keeps preventing Trump from going too far

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01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:50,240
Speaker 1: with Putin. He keeps preventing like it is it is.

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Speaker 3: You know what happens to Anakin skywalker at the end,

1339
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Speaker 3: don't you.

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Speaker 2: I'm aware.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying the Emperor won't eventually get his revenge.

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Speaker 1: Oh is it not obvious that Rubio is going to

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01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:04,200
Speaker 1: be the Maga Patsy when all is said and done,

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01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:08,320
Speaker 1: that when something goes extraordinarily wrong with all these blamed

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01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:11,120
Speaker 1: the Mexican Yeah, they're going to blame the guy who

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01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:14,240
Speaker 1: was not with them this at the beginning. He is

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01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:18,320
Speaker 1: the guy that will be at Whether Marco knows this

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01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:20,880
Speaker 1: or not, maybe he went in knowing this. He is

1349
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:23,960
Speaker 1: going to be the fall guy for whatever foreign policy

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01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:26,519
Speaker 1: failure happens on Trump's watch.

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Speaker 2: Be it this what's.

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Speaker 1: Happening in Venezuela right now, be what happens to you

1353
01:14:31,479 --> 01:14:33,559
Speaker 1: will he will be the fall guy. Look, he's got

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01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:36,920
Speaker 1: he's both National Security Advisor and Secretary of State and

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Speaker 1: the head of the National Archives.

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Speaker 2: I never want to leave that job out.

1357
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:45,519
Speaker 1: Craft Service, right, he's also with Craft Service, and he

1358
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:48,200
Speaker 1: may be the next football coach at the University of Florida.

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Speaker 2: Maybe, like you know, so right, this actually might be

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01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:54,920
Speaker 2: the time to get out right.

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Speaker 1: But he's going to be the mega fall guy because

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01:14:57,680 --> 01:15:01,120
Speaker 1: he's never been mega right, So it's so obvious to

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01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:03,400
Speaker 1: me he'll be the fall guy win something goes wrong,

1364
01:15:03,439 --> 01:15:06,439
Speaker 1: because they're playing with fire with what they're doing in

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Speaker 1: Venezuela right now.

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Speaker 2: I just this.

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Speaker 3: I thought of him as a for all the things

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Speaker 3: I might have liked and not liked about him ideologically

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Speaker 3: and otherwise.

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Speaker 2: I still thought of him as a statesman.

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Speaker 3: I thought of him as you know, a responsible Listen,

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01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:22,680
Speaker 3: how many you know how many Democratic senators voted to

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01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:27,000
Speaker 3: you know, uh, to approve him and I.

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Speaker 1: They all bought it too, and I I, look, I

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01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:33,360
Speaker 1: will just leave you with the warning I've left my

1376
01:15:33,439 --> 01:15:36,760
Speaker 1: wife ten years ago. I'm still with my I didn't

1377
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Speaker 1: leave my wife, but I remember saying this to her

1378
01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:43,000
Speaker 1: ten years ago. Sorry, I said, be careful. You don't

1379
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:44,920
Speaker 1: know who you don't like today. That might be the

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01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:49,080
Speaker 1: hero of the story down the road. And then within

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Speaker 1: four years she's donating money to Liz Cheney, right, like,

1382
01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:54,800
Speaker 1: you don't know who's going to stand up when the

1383
01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:55,479
Speaker 1: chips are down.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well you can say you can tell me whatever

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01:15:57,760 --> 01:16:00,920
Speaker 3: you want about your wife, because you know that nothing

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01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:04,879
Speaker 3: is certain in this life except death taxes. And nobody's

1387
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:08,959
Speaker 3: wife listens to their podcast, So so true.

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Speaker 2: She listens to the beginning every day. She tells me,

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01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:13,160
Speaker 2: I was gonna say that you're enough of this us

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Speaker 2: you know exactly? Do you want to hear more? Right?

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01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:18,559
Speaker 2: I'm going to opt into this.

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Speaker 1: I hear it all all the time. I guess where

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01:16:22,439 --> 01:16:28,400
Speaker 1: I'm going here is I'm curious looking at your your

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01:16:28,439 --> 01:16:31,519
Speaker 1: doc now through the lens of what we're on the

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Speaker 1: verge of doing. I mean, look, I'm just I cannot believe.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to quote James Langford, Republican senator from Oklahoma,

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01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:43,120
Speaker 1: who is who said this weekend, if Biden were giving

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Speaker 1: us the lack of insight into what they're doing in Venezuela,

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Speaker 1: I'd be apoplectic. He's sort of admitting, well, because he's

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01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:53,920
Speaker 1: on our side, I can't be upset about this. But

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01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:56,800
Speaker 1: Congress has no idea what the administration is up to

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01:16:56,840 --> 01:16:58,240
Speaker 1: in Venezuela.

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Speaker 3: And I mean, and Rand Paul is the voice of reason,

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01:17:03,479 --> 01:17:07,200
Speaker 3: and Marjorie uh uh Taylor Green is the voice of reason.

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01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:07,519
Speaker 2: All that.

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01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:10,759
Speaker 1: By the way, there are real isolationists and they're like, hey,

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01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:11,960
Speaker 1: he just said be careful.

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01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:13,439
Speaker 2: You don't know who the good guy is going to be.

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01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:19,320
Speaker 2: That's right here. And yes, you I think Rand Paul

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01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:19,640
Speaker 2: said it.

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Speaker 3: You You, A terrorist cannot be just whoever the executive

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01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:27,760
Speaker 3: Branch says a terrorist is. And and in foreign or

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01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:34,000
Speaker 3: international waters, we cannot just be blowing up boats and fishermen.

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Speaker 2: But what's interesting about this to your question, is that,

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Speaker 2: you know, uh.

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01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:42,160
Speaker 3: A month before our world premiere of Men of War

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01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:46,760
Speaker 3: at last year's Toronto last Summer's Toronto Film Festival, we

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01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:50,000
Speaker 3: Jordan Gudreau, this man who we had been embedded with

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01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:56,000
Speaker 3: and spent years kind of documenting this misadventure, gets arrested

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01:17:56,360 --> 01:18:00,000
Speaker 3: by the United States, by the FEDS, UH, for arms

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01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:04,200
Speaker 3: trafficking related to this operation Gideon. This this this ill

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01:18:04,280 --> 01:18:11,520
Speaker 3: fated coup that resulted in two of his fellow compatriots

1423
01:18:11,800 --> 01:18:16,760
Speaker 3: from you know, from Special Forces being arrested sentenced to

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01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:19,880
Speaker 3: twenty seven years in a tropical gulag in Venezuela for

1425
01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:26,559
Speaker 3: terrorism eight of their Venezuelan kind of defector military guys

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01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:30,719
Speaker 3: who came back and they were killed. An epic debacle

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01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:33,800
Speaker 3: that got kind of memory hold in the pandemic because

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Speaker 3: it happened right in the spring of twenty twenty and

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01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:38,960
Speaker 3: so this would have been a huge I mean, it

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Speaker 3: wasn't big international story.

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Speaker 2: But then it kind of got suppressed in nothing nothing

1432
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:44,479
Speaker 2: has legs anymore.

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Speaker 1: Have you noticed that, by the way, I mean, no

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01:18:47,080 --> 01:18:50,240
Speaker 1: stories have leg We demolished the East Wing. We've already

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01:18:50,280 --> 01:18:52,680
Speaker 1: moved on now. Trump has had an MRI that we're

1436
01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:56,320
Speaker 1: not sure about. Like it just it's astonishing our short

1437
01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:57,280
Speaker 1: attention span theater.

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Speaker 2: But so, Jordan.

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01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:01,720
Speaker 3: Gudreau is scheduled to go to trial shortly after the

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01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:05,160
Speaker 3: first of this year on these arms trafficking charges related

1441
01:19:05,200 --> 01:19:08,080
Speaker 3: to this coup alleged coup attempted to I don't know

1442
01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:11,320
Speaker 3: what you call it, but his is effectively a public

1443
01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:16,080
Speaker 3: authority defense. Okay, what might otherwise be criminal is legally

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01:19:16,200 --> 01:19:20,120
Speaker 3: justified because I was doing this at the behest of

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01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:22,880
Speaker 3: my commander in chief of my government, which was then

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01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:24,440
Speaker 3: the first Trump administration.

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01:19:24,720 --> 01:19:27,240
Speaker 1: I thought that Kevin Pollack character told us in a

1448
01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:29,360
Speaker 1: few good men that that didn't work at Nuremberg.

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01:19:30,120 --> 01:19:30,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, listen.

1450
01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:35,800
Speaker 3: Also it seems here he was more reading smoke signals

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01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:40,040
Speaker 3: and wings and odds and than he was actually getting

1452
01:19:40,360 --> 01:19:43,760
Speaker 3: direct orders. Also, so like there is this issue of

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01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:47,240
Speaker 3: who exact on whose authority are you claiming?

1454
01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:48,960
Speaker 2: Whose public authority your claim?

1455
01:19:49,240 --> 01:19:53,679
Speaker 3: But that being said, what he is the argument he's

1456
01:19:53,720 --> 01:19:58,160
Speaker 3: making is that there was every indication that Trump one point.

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01:19:58,040 --> 01:20:00,679
Speaker 2: Zero was looking at change.

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01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:03,800
Speaker 3: You know, there was the beginning of the of the

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01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:06,000
Speaker 3: there was the indictment against Maduro and some of his

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01:20:06,439 --> 01:20:10,760
Speaker 3: generals for drug trafficking. There was the uh, the the

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Speaker 3: bounty put on his look.

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Speaker 1: It looked like we were redoing Noriega and Panama.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I mean it looks like what we're doing now.

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01:20:20,439 --> 01:20:22,839
Speaker 1: I mean this feels like, you know, Trump is obsessed

1465
01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:25,400
Speaker 1: with the eighties, and it's like, how do I take

1466
01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:28,360
Speaker 1: Granada and Panama and do it all in one felt swoop?

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01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:32,720
Speaker 3: Here we are, and I think that's going to be.

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01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:36,559
Speaker 3: I think the current policy might wind up being I

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01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:38,960
Speaker 3: have no insight to this, but it might wind up

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01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:41,599
Speaker 3: my just the theory based on your you know, thinking

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Speaker 3: about it on your question, might very well, that.

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Speaker 2: Might very well be.

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01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:50,320
Speaker 3: Jordan Gudro's defense is, look at the policy of this administration.

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Speaker 2: It was always this, It was always regime change.

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01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:56,840
Speaker 3: It was always take Maduro out, and that was exactly what.

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Speaker 2: I was trying to do. How has he not gotten

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01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:14,720
Speaker 2: a part? I think it's a really good grad I.

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01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:17,080
Speaker 3: Guess he didn't have the cash or he hasn't hired

1479
01:21:17,080 --> 01:21:21,439
Speaker 3: the right lobbyist, I mean lawyer yet No, listen, I

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01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:26,720
Speaker 3: think that he is certainly attempted to get the administration's

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01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:29,280
Speaker 3: attention as far as I know, on social media, through

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Speaker 3: other other podcasts.

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01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:33,760
Speaker 2: I also don't know that.

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01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:38,400
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know that what he's saying though,

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01:21:38,680 --> 01:21:42,040
Speaker 3: is entirely accurate. So the idea that he's you know,

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01:21:42,080 --> 01:21:46,439
Speaker 3: because I mean think it was the Secretary of State

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01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:51,840
Speaker 3: at the time said what was the line? The line

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01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:54,559
Speaker 3: is we had nothing to do with this. If we had,

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01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:56,439
Speaker 3: if we did have something to do with it, it

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01:21:56,439 --> 01:21:58,120
Speaker 3: would have gone much.

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Speaker 2: Better or you know, it would have been much more

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01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:07,479
Speaker 2: interesting successful. So I feel like it was on.

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01:22:09,200 --> 01:22:13,120
Speaker 3: So I feel like Jordan is maybe not playing his

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01:22:13,240 --> 01:22:20,679
Speaker 3: cards just right because because he has it. It was Pompeio.

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01:22:20,720 --> 01:22:24,800
Speaker 3: It was Mike Pompeo. Oh sorry, when what I call

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01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:28,040
Speaker 3: I call a COVID brain, so like it's for free,

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01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:30,799
Speaker 3: Like I feel like there are words that are names

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01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:32,800
Speaker 3: that are on a top shelf that I can see

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01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:35,000
Speaker 3: but can't reach, you know, like and then and.

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Speaker 1: Then they come to this all the time. I have

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01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:39,000
Speaker 1: this all the time. Maybe it's just my late forties.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure. Yeah, well I kept messing up.

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01:22:42,040 --> 01:22:44,200
Speaker 1: I keep wanting to call the guy who did this,

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01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:47,040
Speaker 1: or well it's Raoul Peck. But it's like I can

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01:22:47,080 --> 01:22:48,840
Speaker 1: see the name and I want to say something else

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01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:49,559
Speaker 1: and it's terrible.

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01:22:49,720 --> 01:22:51,400
Speaker 3: And I was like, I'm talking, I know the word,

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01:22:51,439 --> 01:22:53,080
Speaker 3: I know the name, and then all of a sudden

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Speaker 3: it stops. You know.

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Speaker 1: So the great question that all of us have had

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01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:06,360
Speaker 1: being Miamians and I'm curious, which is, if Cuba was free,

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01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:09,599
Speaker 1: would have the population leave Miami and go back to Cuba?

1513
01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:14,599
Speaker 1: If Venezuela is free, would draw empty out?

1514
01:23:15,160 --> 01:23:21,559
Speaker 2: What say you define free? I mean, so if we.

1515
01:23:21,560 --> 01:23:26,280
Speaker 3: Replace Maduro with a Malay kind of character, like is

1516
01:23:26,360 --> 01:23:29,280
Speaker 3: that for like like when you say he wants to

1517
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:32,960
Speaker 3: do like like it's the eighties all over again. The

1518
01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:35,439
Speaker 3: theme of our I think the running theme of our

1519
01:23:35,479 --> 01:23:38,679
Speaker 3: intervention in Latin America is puppet dictators.

1520
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:38,640
Speaker 2: Right is it?

1521
01:23:38,720 --> 01:23:40,880
Speaker 1: Which is like the fifties and eighties all over again?

1522
01:23:40,920 --> 01:23:43,720
Speaker 1: And this, I mean, this doesn't end well for us.

1523
01:23:43,880 --> 01:23:47,080
Speaker 1: The last time I checked, everybody's number one ally in

1524
01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:50,679
Speaker 1: Latin America is China, not the United States. I find

1525
01:23:50,680 --> 01:23:53,120
Speaker 1: it to be the biggest, Like you know, there's and

1526
01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:56,560
Speaker 1: this has been multiple presidents have just botched the Western hemisphere.

1527
01:23:57,080 --> 01:24:01,120
Speaker 3: Well, look at Argentina soybean sales crying out loud, I mean,

1528
01:24:01,400 --> 01:24:03,840
Speaker 3: and look at America first, Yeah, and look at what

1529
01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:07,519
Speaker 3: I uh, the guy that cuts my hair as a

1530
01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:10,720
Speaker 3: South African white guy and he's talking to me. One

1531
01:24:10,720 --> 01:24:13,840
Speaker 3: of his clients is very conservative Cuban lady Uh several

1532
01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:17,040
Speaker 3: months ago, whispers to him. He says, you know, ear

1533
01:24:17,080 --> 01:24:20,320
Speaker 3: to ear, like a lot of conversations at Ventana's in Miami.

1534
01:24:20,360 --> 01:24:22,320
Speaker 2: You know you're ear to ear. He goes. He goes,

1535
01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:28,800
Speaker 2: is your family okay? And he my family in South Africa.

1536
01:24:28,439 --> 01:24:31,960
Speaker 3: Are because she watched a lot of Fox and she says, well,

1537
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:34,439
Speaker 3: of course they're they're fine. Why do you well, because

1538
01:24:34,479 --> 01:24:38,920
Speaker 3: there's the the massacre of the white the white genocide,

1539
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:41,479
Speaker 3: you know, the white people in South and she and

1540
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:44,519
Speaker 3: he goes, no, She goes, sweetie, that's a that's a lot.

1541
01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:47,639
Speaker 3: But I heard Elon Musk and I heard the He goes, no, No,

1542
01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:49,519
Speaker 3: that's a that's totally made up.

1543
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:53,160
Speaker 2: That's a total lie. And and he tells his to me.

1544
01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:56,439
Speaker 3: He says, you know, in the poor, you know, black

1545
01:24:56,600 --> 01:25:00,400
Speaker 3: nations of Africa, he said, what, of course has happening

1546
01:25:01,080 --> 01:25:05,040
Speaker 3: with the end of us aid he said, is that

1547
01:25:05,680 --> 01:25:07,879
Speaker 3: it's not just simply people dying and suffering.

1548
01:25:08,120 --> 01:25:11,479
Speaker 2: There is a vacuum that is being filled and gangs

1549
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:12,960
Speaker 2: and strong men and things.

1550
01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:17,439
Speaker 3: Like that by care packages that say, from your friends

1551
01:25:17,479 --> 01:25:20,960
Speaker 3: in China. So when you when you when you have

1552
01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:25,519
Speaker 3: a lack of sophistication on geopolitics and diplomacy, and you

1553
01:25:25,560 --> 01:25:28,960
Speaker 3: don't understand that that you know, what what what good

1554
01:25:29,040 --> 01:25:32,000
Speaker 3: we do in the world, not just for the purpose

1555
01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:37,479
Speaker 3: of saving lives and protecting children and and uh offering

1556
01:25:37,560 --> 01:25:41,840
Speaker 3: vaccines and and and aids prevention and cancer treatment is

1557
01:25:41,880 --> 01:25:46,400
Speaker 3: not just because that's what Jesus would do. It's because

1558
01:25:46,439 --> 01:25:51,120
Speaker 3: we also do earn goodwill and allies in the world.

1559
01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:55,320
Speaker 1: You're describing soft power, Billy, and we just and this

1560
01:25:55,360 --> 01:25:56,719
Speaker 1: guy has gotten you know.

1561
01:25:57,040 --> 01:25:58,920
Speaker 2: We've abdicated, we've advocated.

1562
01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:01,640
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I mean it's ironic to call it

1563
01:26:01,720 --> 01:26:04,679
Speaker 1: soft power, and it's be you know, this guy because

1564
01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:07,280
Speaker 1: he's soft it doesn't want to use soft power. And

1565
01:26:07,320 --> 01:26:10,599
Speaker 1: it's like dude, But anyway, sorry, I was going down

1566
01:26:11,200 --> 01:26:12,440
Speaker 1: a weird rule.

1567
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:13,519
Speaker 2: You decide where I was at it.

1568
01:26:13,880 --> 01:26:17,719
Speaker 3: This is the question like what what does a free

1569
01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:21,360
Speaker 3: what does a free venezuela look like? In this era

1570
01:26:22,040 --> 01:26:26,080
Speaker 3: of the United States of America when you don't necessarily.

1571
01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:28,760
Speaker 1: The Peace Prize winner as president, maybe that's a real

1572
01:26:28,840 --> 01:26:29,720
Speaker 1: free Venezuela.

1573
01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:30,519
Speaker 2: She seems sweet.

1574
01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:32,880
Speaker 3: It you mean if Obama runs in twenty eight, is

1575
01:26:32,920 --> 01:26:35,160
Speaker 3: that what you mean for a third term?

1576
01:26:35,240 --> 01:26:36,600
Speaker 2: Is that what you mean? I was talking about the

1577
01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:38,320
Speaker 2: new woman who won. But I take your point.

1578
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:40,640
Speaker 1: I take you well, that's always the reminder I have

1579
01:26:40,720 --> 01:26:45,599
Speaker 1: of of like, if you think Trump can run again,

1580
01:26:45,720 --> 01:26:48,599
Speaker 1: soa can Obama? You sure you want to go down

1581
01:26:48,680 --> 01:26:52,240
Speaker 1: that road? Maybe it's the ultimate showdown America needs.

1582
01:26:52,680 --> 01:26:53,080
Speaker 2: I mean that.

1583
01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:55,960
Speaker 3: I mean, listen, in a democracy, we get the government

1584
01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:58,639
Speaker 3: we deserve, and that is the election we deserve.

1585
01:26:58,720 --> 01:27:04,880
Speaker 2: Chuck, I think, yeah, probably, it probably is. I don't know.

1586
01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:08,360
Speaker 1: Every time, every time I think you can't top what

1587
01:27:08,439 --> 01:27:10,280
Speaker 1: you do. This one is one of those that you're

1588
01:27:10,320 --> 01:27:12,960
Speaker 1: just like and it's sort of like life imitating art,

1589
01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:15,719
Speaker 1: back to imitating life. Have you talked to him since

1590
01:27:16,240 --> 01:27:18,280
Speaker 1: the military campaign against Venezuela.

1591
01:27:19,400 --> 01:27:21,160
Speaker 3: No, I mean, he's in quite a bit of legal

1592
01:27:21,200 --> 01:27:24,599
Speaker 3: jeopardy obviously, I mean he is he nervous about talking

1593
01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:27,000
Speaker 3: to you now because his liberty is on the line.

1594
01:27:27,320 --> 01:27:30,960
Speaker 3: You know, his freedom is on the line, and obviously

1595
01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:34,280
Speaker 3: he feels a sense of betrayal by everybody.

1596
01:27:34,360 --> 01:27:35,880
Speaker 2: I imagine, right, yeah.

1597
01:27:35,640 --> 01:27:38,040
Speaker 3: And this is the country that he's fought for and

1598
01:27:38,080 --> 01:27:42,880
Speaker 3: now and to do what this guy did in the

1599
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:45,840
Speaker 3: name of freedom and democracy in the United States, to

1600
01:27:46,439 --> 01:27:49,559
Speaker 3: change the flag on his arm, you know, from being

1601
01:27:50,040 --> 01:27:53,439
Speaker 3: a native Canadian to an American war hero and then

1602
01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:59,920
Speaker 3: to see the words United States of America versus Jordan Gudru.

1603
01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:01,760
Speaker 2: I mean he's having a hard time with it. Yeah.

1604
01:28:01,840 --> 01:28:05,360
Speaker 2: It damages an already damaged psyche. You know, it does.

1605
01:28:06,160 --> 01:28:08,240
Speaker 1: No, it's a it's a it's another way we're letting

1606
01:28:09,720 --> 01:28:11,000
Speaker 1: we abuse these soldiers.

1607
01:28:11,960 --> 01:28:14,519
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not sure, you know, I go.

1608
01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:16,600
Speaker 1: I've said this about social media in general, right, I

1609
01:28:16,640 --> 01:28:19,000
Speaker 1: think social media is a human experiment that has failed,

1610
01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:22,960
Speaker 1: and here we are, we're living with the consequences of

1611
01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:26,720
Speaker 1: It's a total I mean, what good is social media brought.

1612
01:28:26,560 --> 01:28:27,040
Speaker 2: To the world.

1613
01:28:29,479 --> 01:28:33,679
Speaker 1: Well, we're friends, so I mean I do miss those

1614
01:28:33,720 --> 01:28:36,200
Speaker 1: first couple of years when we we were like, wow,

1615
01:28:36,240 --> 01:28:38,720
Speaker 1: this is great. I get to interact with people that

1616
01:28:38,760 --> 01:28:40,519
Speaker 1: I've been meaning to interact with but never had a

1617
01:28:40,600 --> 01:28:41,000
Speaker 1: chance to.

1618
01:28:41,280 --> 01:28:43,800
Speaker 2: It was it was it was a real community. It

1619
01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:46,679
Speaker 2: was novel. Look, it was the first couple of years.

1620
01:28:46,880 --> 01:28:49,360
Speaker 2: It was the it was town square. It was what

1621
01:28:49,439 --> 01:28:52,160
Speaker 2: it was, as Adams, It's the algorithm. What really destroyed

1622
01:28:52,160 --> 01:28:53,160
Speaker 2: it is the algorithms.

1623
01:28:53,320 --> 01:28:55,800
Speaker 1: Right, Like, when we were organically building it, it was

1624
01:28:55,880 --> 01:28:58,719
Speaker 1: great when they decided, hey, this is so much fun,

1625
01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:02,400
Speaker 1: let's keep people on it, let's peet, let's actively get

1626
01:29:02,479 --> 01:29:06,360
Speaker 1: them addicted to it. It's like, you know, it an

1627
01:29:06,360 --> 01:29:09,479
Speaker 1: occasional cigarette might have been okay, it was smoking twenty

1628
01:29:09,479 --> 01:29:10,559
Speaker 1: a day that was terrible.

1629
01:29:10,640 --> 01:29:10,760
Speaker 2: Right.

1630
01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:13,360
Speaker 3: It was the nicotine that right, it was the ninety

1631
01:29:13,439 --> 01:29:15,639
Speaker 3: nine percent pure coke was good. The second they started

1632
01:29:15,640 --> 01:29:17,519
Speaker 3: cutting it with fent and all that other shit, it

1633
01:29:17,600 --> 01:29:20,080
Speaker 3: started to get sort of but it was it was

1634
01:29:20,439 --> 01:29:23,639
Speaker 3: as advertised. Early on, it felt like that town Square.

1635
01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:26,439
Speaker 3: It felt like, well, you know, like it went from

1636
01:29:26,479 --> 01:29:29,320
Speaker 3: Arab Spring to like storm storm front, you know, like,

1637
01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:31,080
Speaker 3: you know, no, in.

1638
01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:35,120
Speaker 1: Some ways, this this guy, it is sort of the

1639
01:29:35,200 --> 01:29:37,920
Speaker 1: transition right during you know, in Arab Spring, we were

1640
01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:39,160
Speaker 1: celebrating stuff like this.

1641
01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:41,599
Speaker 2: You know, eventually it turns into this, you.

1642
01:29:41,560 --> 01:29:46,240
Speaker 3: Know, right, and it's it's not entirely pleasant. Listen to

1643
01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:51,040
Speaker 3: paraphrase one of my favorite Miami artists, the algorithm is

1644
01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:51,639
Speaker 3: going to get.

1645
01:29:51,479 --> 01:29:58,200
Speaker 1: You Miami politics really quickly. What is Miami Dade County

1646
01:29:58,280 --> 01:30:03,519
Speaker 1: right now red blue, somewhere in between in transition, it's

1647
01:30:04,280 --> 01:30:09,599
Speaker 1: I find Miami Dade's the most fascinating I think political

1648
01:30:09,680 --> 01:30:13,040
Speaker 1: community in the country, and in some ways it is

1649
01:30:13,760 --> 01:30:16,240
Speaker 1: served to sort of be both a precursor and a

1650
01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:19,760
Speaker 1: PostScript to what's going what's happening in the Trump era.

1651
01:30:20,080 --> 01:30:22,400
Speaker 1: You live it and breathe it, and you're very active

1652
01:30:22,400 --> 01:30:26,080
Speaker 1: in local politics. What would describe the state of the

1653
01:30:26,120 --> 01:30:28,720
Speaker 1: political world in Miami Dade County as far as you're

1654
01:30:28,760 --> 01:30:29,599
Speaker 1: concerned in these days?

1655
01:30:29,960 --> 01:30:34,720
Speaker 2: Oh, it's redder than red, I mean. And is it

1656
01:30:34,760 --> 01:30:37,280
Speaker 2: an ideological red or a cult read? Do you know

1657
01:30:37,320 --> 01:30:40,160
Speaker 2: what I mean by that? Yes? Yeah, the answer to

1658
01:30:40,200 --> 01:30:42,599
Speaker 2: either or question is affirmative.

1659
01:30:42,680 --> 01:30:45,960
Speaker 3: I think because I well with obviously now there's a

1660
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:48,479
Speaker 3: lot of people, or quite a few people who are

1661
01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:52,600
Speaker 3: having other ideas or adding second thoughts about some of this.

1662
01:30:52,840 --> 01:30:57,080
Speaker 3: Even though I think the Trump this second Trump administration

1663
01:30:57,360 --> 01:31:01,559
Speaker 3: has been as advertised, I don't know, you know, none of.

1664
01:31:01,479 --> 01:31:04,040
Speaker 2: This is anything we didn't see coming, right.

1665
01:31:04,200 --> 01:31:07,080
Speaker 1: It was like, you know, you're just like, you know,

1666
01:31:07,120 --> 01:31:09,519
Speaker 1: we knew he would do stuff like this, But the

1667
01:31:09,560 --> 01:31:13,960
Speaker 1: details have been fascinating. But the general pattern was very

1668
01:31:13,960 --> 01:31:17,320
Speaker 1: pret Trump is a terrible poker player. I've always said

1669
01:31:17,400 --> 01:31:19,879
Speaker 1: I'd love to play poker with him because he literally

1670
01:31:19,920 --> 01:31:21,040
Speaker 1: holds his cards this way.

1671
01:31:21,240 --> 01:31:22,760
Speaker 2: I mean, he just flips them around so you can

1672
01:31:22,800 --> 01:31:23,120
Speaker 2: see him.

1673
01:31:23,320 --> 01:31:25,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then and then lies to you about what

1674
01:31:25,439 --> 01:31:30,120
Speaker 3: he has. Yeah, and a third of the country believes it.

1675
01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:32,960
Speaker 3: On question, I mean two plus two eals five.

1676
01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:34,080
Speaker 2: Billy, I only.

1677
01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:35,640
Speaker 3: Knew he was going to knock down the entirety of

1678
01:31:35,640 --> 01:31:37,960
Speaker 3: the East Wing when he said he wasn't going to

1679
01:31:37,960 --> 01:31:40,519
Speaker 3: touch the East wing to build this way, I'm like, oh,

1680
01:31:40,520 --> 01:31:41,840
Speaker 3: that's probably the end of the.

1681
01:31:41,880 --> 01:31:47,519
Speaker 2: Entire East wing. Just I mean sure, yeah.

1682
01:31:47,520 --> 01:31:49,080
Speaker 3: And that's the thing too, is that, like, there's this

1683
01:31:49,120 --> 01:31:52,479
Speaker 3: really interesting moment where you know, we're getting away this

1684
01:31:52,560 --> 01:31:55,080
Speaker 3: three hundred and sixty million dollar piece of property for

1685
01:31:55,160 --> 01:31:59,599
Speaker 3: the Trump Hotel and casino and also Presidential Library in downtown.

1686
01:31:59,760 --> 01:32:02,280
Speaker 1: Just I can't believe this. By the way, this is

1687
01:32:02,320 --> 01:32:04,360
Speaker 1: where the Marlin Stadium should have been. But that's a

1688
01:32:04,400 --> 01:32:05,120
Speaker 1: whole other story.

1689
01:32:05,160 --> 01:32:08,880
Speaker 3: Well, when they talk about waste, fraud, and abuse, it's like, well,

1690
01:32:08,960 --> 01:32:13,120
Speaker 3: I just I found some I mean, you just violated

1691
01:32:13,640 --> 01:32:16,759
Speaker 3: sunshine laws in the state of Florida to secretly give away.

1692
01:32:17,479 --> 01:32:19,760
Speaker 3: Like this last piece of property that is owned by

1693
01:32:19,800 --> 01:32:21,120
Speaker 3: what was our community college.

1694
01:32:21,120 --> 01:32:22,000
Speaker 2: It's now a college.

1695
01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:25,439
Speaker 3: But like this is I think by student body size,

1696
01:32:25,520 --> 01:32:27,040
Speaker 3: is the largest college in the country.

1697
01:32:27,479 --> 01:32:29,559
Speaker 2: He is, Yeah, Mimy Day College is for a four

1698
01:32:29,600 --> 01:32:30,520
Speaker 2: year college.

1699
01:32:30,240 --> 01:32:37,559
Speaker 3: Now consequential to Miami both economically and educationally. Eduardo Padron,

1700
01:32:38,360 --> 01:32:41,680
Speaker 3: the president many years ago, what he had to go

1701
01:32:41,760 --> 01:32:44,439
Speaker 3: through to generate to raise twenty four million dollars to

1702
01:32:44,479 --> 01:32:46,559
Speaker 3: buy this piece of property because when you're in a

1703
01:32:46,640 --> 01:32:49,360
Speaker 3: landlocked downtown area, there's not a lot of room for growth,

1704
01:32:49,360 --> 01:32:52,760
Speaker 3: and so he wanted to preserve the future of this institution.

1705
01:32:53,080 --> 01:32:56,599
Speaker 3: So they buy this property. It's now appraised, not even

1706
01:32:56,600 --> 01:32:58,840
Speaker 3: a praise, but the property appraiser of the county says

1707
01:32:58,840 --> 01:33:01,960
Speaker 3: it's worth estimate it's worth sixty five people have said

1708
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:05,400
Speaker 3: easily on the open market three hundred and fifty million.

1709
01:33:05,160 --> 01:33:08,439
Speaker 2: Dollars, and they they want to give it away like

1710
01:33:08,880 --> 01:33:11,479
Speaker 2: for free. It's it is the biggest land.

1711
01:33:11,479 --> 01:33:14,200
Speaker 3: I mean, it makes the Melury Soccer Stadium hustle and

1712
01:33:14,280 --> 01:33:18,200
Speaker 3: the Marlins Park scam look like good deals in comparison.

1713
01:33:18,240 --> 01:33:19,960
Speaker 3: By the way, I have no problem with there being

1714
01:33:19,960 --> 01:33:23,040
Speaker 3: a Trump Library or whatever. It's going to be just

1715
01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:26,120
Speaker 3: you know, in downtown Miami. But you got to pay

1716
01:33:26,200 --> 01:33:29,160
Speaker 3: some market value for you. I mean, especially if you're

1717
01:33:29,160 --> 01:33:33,160
Speaker 3: going to deprive Mini Dade College of its future effectively

1718
01:33:34,120 --> 01:33:36,519
Speaker 3: like and I also have no problem with the fact

1719
01:33:36,840 --> 01:33:39,719
Speaker 3: that it shares a lot with the Freedom Tower, which

1720
01:33:39,720 --> 01:33:42,680
Speaker 3: of course is the Ellis Island of the South where

1721
01:33:43,200 --> 01:33:46,080
Speaker 3: review the earliest some of our earliest Cuban refugees fleeing

1722
01:33:46,640 --> 01:33:48,000
Speaker 3: the tyranny of v If.

1723
01:33:47,840 --> 01:33:50,480
Speaker 1: I were Trump, it's where I would want my library.

1724
01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:54,160
Speaker 1: It would be a symbolic place to go. Row.

1725
01:33:54,479 --> 01:33:57,360
Speaker 2: I love it that the deporter in chief, the proud

1726
01:33:57,400 --> 01:34:01,000
Speaker 2: Deporter in chief, is going to be I think it's like, listen,

1727
01:34:01,000 --> 01:34:03,599
Speaker 2: I've been I've been sitting Shiva for irony for years now,

1728
01:34:03,680 --> 01:34:05,960
Speaker 2: so I think it's I have no problem with that.

1729
01:34:06,200 --> 01:34:08,839
Speaker 2: It's just the For me, it's always the real It's Florida.

1730
01:34:08,840 --> 01:34:10,479
Speaker 2: It's always a real estate hustle.

1731
01:34:10,680 --> 01:34:14,240
Speaker 3: And by the way, a majority of Miami Dade County

1732
01:34:14,640 --> 01:34:18,920
Speaker 3: residents certainly more NPAs and Democrats than Republicans, but a

1733
01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:23,439
Speaker 3: vast you're talking almost sixty percent are against this this

1734
01:34:23,600 --> 01:34:29,280
Speaker 3: land giveaway. So there is a tied a sentiment on

1735
01:34:29,400 --> 01:34:32,240
Speaker 3: certain things that that that is turning, but we are.

1736
01:34:32,520 --> 01:34:37,639
Speaker 2: I mean, this is a firm red county.

1737
01:34:37,840 --> 01:34:39,880
Speaker 1: What will be your canary in the coal mine to

1738
01:34:39,920 --> 01:34:42,439
Speaker 1: see if there's movement in there? Is that the the

1739
01:34:42,520 --> 01:34:48,360
Speaker 1: one congressional race, I'm Toronto blank in her name real

1740
01:34:48,439 --> 01:34:51,679
Speaker 1: here at Salazar, y Salazar who replaced Illiana.

1741
01:34:52,200 --> 01:34:52,960
Speaker 2: No, I don't think.

1742
01:34:53,000 --> 01:34:56,120
Speaker 3: I mean, listen, speaking of the Washington generals, the Florida

1743
01:34:56,160 --> 01:34:58,840
Speaker 3: Democrats are the Washington generals of politics. I mean, they

1744
01:34:58,840 --> 01:35:02,280
Speaker 3: are unbelievable control of that position at this point. I mean,

1745
01:35:02,320 --> 01:35:05,600
Speaker 3: they never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity, so

1746
01:35:05,760 --> 01:35:08,880
Speaker 3: I wouldn't so, I mean, I think we've seen the

1747
01:35:08,920 --> 01:35:11,720
Speaker 3: canary in the coal mine. I think I think the

1748
01:35:11,760 --> 01:35:15,799
Speaker 3: Democrats are not a broken brand or a damage brand.

1749
01:35:15,840 --> 01:35:17,639
Speaker 3: I think they're just a dead brand in the state

1750
01:35:17,680 --> 01:35:20,080
Speaker 3: of Florida and certainly in Miami.

1751
01:35:20,160 --> 01:35:23,840
Speaker 1: Day I would love to see a John Morgan that

1752
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:27,840
Speaker 1: was fifteen years younger running right, like you know, you

1753
01:35:27,880 --> 01:35:29,559
Speaker 1: could see I just don't know if he's got the

1754
01:35:29,720 --> 01:35:32,680
Speaker 1: energy or the or the ambition to do it. He

1755
01:35:32,720 --> 01:35:35,240
Speaker 1: talks about it, but I just think you know, there's

1756
01:35:35,360 --> 01:35:37,360
Speaker 1: you could just sort of tell. It's like I'll do

1757
01:35:37,439 --> 01:35:38,920
Speaker 1: it if somebody else will do the work.

1758
01:35:39,160 --> 01:35:41,160
Speaker 3: No, No, he doesn't want to Listen, he loves the

1759
01:35:41,960 --> 01:35:44,759
Speaker 3: real liar, won't die of it, you know, as Trump

1760
01:35:44,800 --> 01:35:45,559
Speaker 3: did for a while.

1761
01:35:45,720 --> 01:35:47,800
Speaker 1: You know, well that's why you're like, none of us

1762
01:35:47,800 --> 01:35:50,160
Speaker 1: are fully dismissing it. You're like, well, the dude can

1763
01:35:50,160 --> 01:35:52,840
Speaker 1: write a check, and my god, those ads are he

1764
01:35:53,040 --> 01:35:55,360
Speaker 1: is in. He figured out how to create a fifty

1765
01:35:55,360 --> 01:35:58,000
Speaker 1: state law firm. Right, I mean, the job sucks, the

1766
01:35:58,080 --> 01:36:01,880
Speaker 1: job of being Florida governor. Actually, he's got a great life.

1767
01:36:01,920 --> 01:36:04,920
Speaker 1: This guy's got life perfected. John Morgan, what the hell

1768
01:36:05,000 --> 01:36:05,759
Speaker 1: or would you want?

1769
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:06,680
Speaker 2: That's right?

1770
01:36:06,800 --> 01:36:08,639
Speaker 3: The hellou do you want with that job? I mean,

1771
01:36:09,439 --> 01:36:11,000
Speaker 3: but you're right, I mean is it going to be?

1772
01:36:11,560 --> 01:36:13,280
Speaker 3: I mean, listen, he strikes me a little bit more

1773
01:36:13,280 --> 01:36:16,920
Speaker 3: as like kind of a blue dog Democrat, that style

1774
01:36:17,000 --> 01:36:18,639
Speaker 3: of like you know, Mia Miami.

1775
01:36:18,640 --> 01:36:22,320
Speaker 1: When I've interviewed him, you can't once you spring up

1776
01:36:22,320 --> 01:36:24,320
Speaker 1: Bill Clinton. I mean, it's just like I'm brought up

1777
01:36:24,320 --> 01:36:26,400
Speaker 1: his first wife, the one he fell in love with,

1778
01:36:26,520 --> 01:36:28,960
Speaker 1: like he just loves you know. That's what he wants

1779
01:36:29,040 --> 01:36:31,559
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party to be. Was what Bill Clinton was

1780
01:36:31,560 --> 01:36:34,000
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety seven, you know, I don't think that's

1781
01:36:34,040 --> 01:36:35,320
Speaker 1: the future of the party either.

1782
01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:37,920
Speaker 3: So I don't think that that's going to be what

1783
01:36:38,080 --> 01:36:41,960
Speaker 3: is going to win the day here for for Democrats

1784
01:36:41,960 --> 01:36:43,800
Speaker 3: in the state of Florida. I mean, listen, it's a

1785
01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:47,479
Speaker 3: red state. I mean, that's the bottom line. Certainly jerry

1786
01:36:47,560 --> 01:36:53,240
Speaker 3: manders into into into being that. So I don't really see.

1787
01:36:53,280 --> 01:36:56,600
Speaker 3: And again, there's no leadership here, there's no vision on

1788
01:36:56,760 --> 01:36:59,920
Speaker 3: there's just like just bad ideas. I left the party.

1789
01:37:00,280 --> 01:37:00,559
Speaker 2: Listen.

1790
01:37:00,840 --> 01:37:03,680
Speaker 3: Donald Trump was a Democrat longer than I was, But

1791
01:37:04,360 --> 01:37:07,679
Speaker 3: I left the party last year with an open letter

1792
01:37:08,120 --> 01:37:12,760
Speaker 3: that was not I said, this is not uh exhaustive,

1793
01:37:12,840 --> 01:37:18,800
Speaker 3: but it is thorough and and uh or not comprehensive

1794
01:37:18,840 --> 01:37:22,879
Speaker 3: but exhausted perhaps and all hyperlink. I brought the receipts.

1795
01:37:22,920 --> 01:37:25,240
Speaker 3: And I wish that was just over a year ago.

1796
01:37:25,680 --> 01:37:29,320
Speaker 3: And I wish I could say, I wish I could

1797
01:37:29,400 --> 01:37:35,200
Speaker 3: say that it's it's just as bad, but it's not.

1798
01:37:35,520 --> 01:37:38,760
Speaker 3: It's it's worse. And how the Democrats could be worse

1799
01:37:38,800 --> 01:37:41,519
Speaker 3: off now than they were a year ago? When when

1800
01:37:41,640 --> 01:37:45,160
Speaker 3: when I think Trump is arguably less popular now right.

1801
01:37:45,080 --> 01:37:48,080
Speaker 1: Now he is, and especially in some communities like you know,

1802
01:37:48,600 --> 01:37:50,920
Speaker 1: if a functional Democratic party is all over.

1803
01:37:50,800 --> 01:37:54,800
Speaker 2: Durrath absolutely functional being the key.

1804
01:37:56,640 --> 01:37:59,000
Speaker 1: No, I mean, it's just your you should be there,

1805
01:37:59,080 --> 01:38:01,519
Speaker 1: you know. That's what the Republicans did really well when

1806
01:38:01,720 --> 01:38:03,519
Speaker 1: Democrats weren't in some of these communities.

1807
01:38:03,560 --> 01:38:07,679
Speaker 2: They showed up and and and stayed and and and yeah.

1808
01:38:07,680 --> 01:38:12,519
Speaker 3: I mean, believe me, people in this community always say,

1809
01:38:12,640 --> 01:38:15,080
Speaker 3: you know, why aren't you here at church when you're

1810
01:38:15,080 --> 01:38:17,280
Speaker 3: not running for office? Why do we only see you

1811
01:38:17,320 --> 01:38:19,600
Speaker 3: once every two years or four years or what?

1812
01:38:19,680 --> 01:38:19,880
Speaker 2: You know.

1813
01:38:20,200 --> 01:38:24,920
Speaker 3: It's it's it's hard not to be cynical. Uh when

1814
01:38:24,960 --> 01:38:27,519
Speaker 3: when when? That's how the party operates. But to be fair,

1815
01:38:27,920 --> 01:38:30,040
Speaker 3: they have no money, they have no leadership, they have

1816
01:38:30,120 --> 01:38:32,720
Speaker 3: no vision, so it's really hard to have any kind

1817
01:38:32,720 --> 01:38:35,760
Speaker 3: of consistency or any kind of I mean, look at

1818
01:38:35,800 --> 01:38:37,040
Speaker 3: the voter registrations.

1819
01:38:37,280 --> 01:38:39,000
Speaker 2: It's it's unbelievable. It's insane.

1820
01:38:39,040 --> 01:38:42,080
Speaker 3: I mean, part of it certainly is transplants and and

1821
01:38:42,160 --> 01:38:45,200
Speaker 3: you know, people uh moving here, but but the rest

1822
01:38:45,280 --> 01:38:46,120
Speaker 3: is just bad.

1823
01:38:46,360 --> 01:38:48,760
Speaker 1: This is this is going to air before election day

1824
01:38:48,920 --> 01:38:51,000
Speaker 1: next week. Who's going to be mayor of Miami? City

1825
01:38:51,000 --> 01:38:51,400
Speaker 1: of Miami?

1826
01:38:51,400 --> 01:38:52,800
Speaker 2: Do we care?

1827
01:38:52,840 --> 01:38:54,519
Speaker 1: I mean it's a weak mayor, so it's you know,

1828
01:38:54,560 --> 01:38:56,280
Speaker 1: it's really more of a market It's like you're the

1829
01:38:56,640 --> 01:38:59,200
Speaker 1: it's like you're a marketing executive when you're the mayor

1830
01:38:59,200 --> 01:39:01,679
Speaker 1: of the City of Miami, versus you're the actual work.

1831
01:39:01,760 --> 01:39:03,720
Speaker 2: But still it is it is.

1832
01:39:05,080 --> 01:39:07,680
Speaker 1: Uh, Francis Suarez showed you could make a ton of

1833
01:39:07,680 --> 01:39:08,639
Speaker 1: money being mare of Miami.

1834
01:39:08,800 --> 01:39:11,960
Speaker 2: So it's good. It's good. Uh, it's good business. Who's

1835
01:39:11,960 --> 01:39:13,679
Speaker 2: the Mayorican with socialism to hustle?

1836
01:39:13,840 --> 01:39:16,040
Speaker 3: No? Yeah, like you said, the mayor of Miami is

1837
01:39:16,120 --> 01:39:19,639
Speaker 3: like a mascot who thinks he's the head coach.

1838
01:39:19,840 --> 01:39:21,840
Speaker 2: You know. That's that's kind of what that position is.

1839
01:39:22,320 --> 01:39:25,559
Speaker 3: They're really they're really a glorified hood ornament is kind

1840
01:39:25,560 --> 01:39:26,880
Speaker 3: of of of what know.

1841
01:39:26,880 --> 01:39:29,120
Speaker 1: I mean, because the county does all has all the power,

1842
01:39:29,160 --> 01:39:30,360
Speaker 1: all the money, all the everything.

1843
01:39:30,400 --> 01:39:33,360
Speaker 2: The city is is you know has you know, there's.

1844
01:39:33,360 --> 01:39:36,959
Speaker 3: This city's opery budget is now over a billion dollars

1845
01:39:37,040 --> 01:39:40,040
Speaker 3: for as well city like four hundred and fifty thousand people.

1846
01:39:40,200 --> 01:39:42,320
Speaker 3: They're just absolutely stealing from us.

1847
01:39:42,720 --> 01:39:45,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, and well, the fact that Joe I always look

1848
01:39:45,640 --> 01:39:48,080
Speaker 1: at it this way, the fact that Joe Caroyo never

1849
01:39:48,120 --> 01:39:50,559
Speaker 1: tried to go anywhere else tells you it was just

1850
01:39:50,640 --> 01:39:51,200
Speaker 1: too much.

1851
01:39:51,479 --> 01:39:54,360
Speaker 2: Why would I leave a good thing? Sorry that dude.

1852
01:39:54,479 --> 01:39:58,080
Speaker 1: You know you're like, You're like Joe Croyle's been ripping

1853
01:39:58,080 --> 01:39:59,960
Speaker 1: people off since I was a kid, and he's just

1854
01:40:00,160 --> 01:40:00,759
Speaker 1: never left.

1855
01:40:00,880 --> 01:40:04,160
Speaker 3: Joe Carollo was the youngest to this day, I believe,

1856
01:40:04,200 --> 01:40:08,240
Speaker 3: the youngest city commissioner ever elected in Miami in nineteen

1857
01:40:08,320 --> 01:40:09,000
Speaker 3: seventy nine.

1858
01:40:09,240 --> 01:40:12,519
Speaker 2: Think about the fact that they's never progressed because you

1859
01:40:12,560 --> 01:40:15,719
Speaker 2: know what, it must have been too good. It reminds

1860
01:40:15,720 --> 01:40:18,280
Speaker 2: me it's like when when Trump said, like, like, if

1861
01:40:18,320 --> 01:40:20,920
Speaker 2: I ever run, I have to run as a Republican

1862
01:40:21,360 --> 01:40:25,160
Speaker 2: because they'll vote for anybody, and I love them. I mean,

1863
01:40:25,240 --> 01:40:28,080
Speaker 2: like he carved his niche. That's what Joe did. Joe

1864
01:40:28,200 --> 01:40:31,200
Speaker 2: Carlo is unbelievable. Now I don't think he wins this

1865
01:40:31,280 --> 01:40:34,120
Speaker 2: marriage rate. What I love is the drama between Francis

1866
01:40:34,120 --> 01:40:37,720
Speaker 2: and Javier. So nobody's going to win this mayor's race.

1867
01:40:37,760 --> 01:40:39,960
Speaker 2: By the way, here's a runoff, right, it'll be top two,

1868
01:40:40,000 --> 01:40:41,559
Speaker 2: fast paced, right, there will be.

1869
01:40:41,760 --> 01:40:45,240
Speaker 3: I think there's no question this goes to a December runoff.

1870
01:40:45,479 --> 01:40:48,240
Speaker 3: So now I'm just choosing the top two. And you

1871
01:40:48,280 --> 01:40:52,080
Speaker 3: are right, Francis Suarez is not supporting his father.

1872
01:40:52,080 --> 01:40:55,880
Speaker 1: In this neighbors, well, his father is literally when people

1873
01:40:55,880 --> 01:40:59,040
Speaker 1: talk about voter fraud, I always say, we actually had one.

1874
01:40:59,520 --> 01:41:03,000
Speaker 1: We had the most outrageous voter fraud scam ever, and

1875
01:41:03,080 --> 01:41:04,720
Speaker 1: it was for Javier Schwires to.

1876
01:41:05,280 --> 01:41:07,880
Speaker 3: By the way, I keep I've been, I will I

1877
01:41:07,920 --> 01:41:11,080
Speaker 3: will pick up when when when Xavier or Javier Suarez

1878
01:41:11,120 --> 01:41:12,960
Speaker 3: announced he was running, Yeah, which is it?

1879
01:41:12,960 --> 01:41:14,799
Speaker 2: It's Javier now used to be Xavier.

1880
01:41:15,000 --> 01:41:16,560
Speaker 3: It's I think it's I think it's either it's like

1881
01:41:16,840 --> 01:41:18,799
Speaker 3: it's a it's a it's sort of the English version

1882
01:41:18,880 --> 01:41:19,400
Speaker 3: or the Spanish.

1883
01:41:19,400 --> 01:41:21,960
Speaker 1: I've always assumed Javier because you and I grew up

1884
01:41:21,960 --> 01:41:24,320
Speaker 1: down there, and that's what. And yet he will use

1885
01:41:24,439 --> 01:41:26,160
Speaker 1: Xavier everyone and he well he likes.

1886
01:41:26,240 --> 01:41:28,360
Speaker 3: X because like it also because he's like you know,

1887
01:41:28,479 --> 01:41:32,280
Speaker 3: and then Francis Is Francis x Francis Xaviers or Francis

1888
01:41:32,520 --> 01:41:35,840
Speaker 3: Xavier soars also. I think with the popularity of x men, uh,

1889
01:41:36,040 --> 01:41:40,000
Speaker 3: it was it was a good uh adaptation. But he

1890
01:41:40,760 --> 01:41:43,479
Speaker 3: so I start reading about his run, you know, a

1891
01:41:43,520 --> 01:41:45,760
Speaker 3: couple of months ago, and all the headlines and all

1892
01:41:45,760 --> 01:41:50,080
Speaker 3: the leads are uh, Miami's first Cuban born mayor in

1893
01:41:50,160 --> 01:41:51,360
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty five.

1894
01:41:51,640 --> 01:42:03,759
Speaker 2: And I said, a big deal. I remember when that happened.

1895
01:42:04,120 --> 01:42:05,800
Speaker 2: It was the guy.

1896
01:42:05,880 --> 01:42:08,280
Speaker 3: It's nineteen eighty five, the guy showing up to debates

1897
01:42:08,320 --> 01:42:11,080
Speaker 3: today in a DeLorean with a flux capacitor. Chuck in

1898
01:42:11,160 --> 01:42:14,960
Speaker 3: nineteen the guy talks about every year except twenty twenty five.

1899
01:42:15,000 --> 01:42:18,320
Speaker 3: It's unbelievable. So bless his heart. It's like, what did

1900
01:42:18,560 --> 01:42:22,320
Speaker 3: Jim Norton say it? That's watching them watching at one

1901
01:42:22,360 --> 01:42:25,040
Speaker 3: of the roasts, watching Norm McDonald do his set was

1902
01:42:25,040 --> 01:42:27,960
Speaker 3: like watching Henry fond Of pick blueberries. That's what it's

1903
01:42:28,000 --> 01:42:30,880
Speaker 3: like watching Xavier Suarez in these debates. It's like watching

1904
01:42:30,920 --> 01:42:34,320
Speaker 3: Henry fond Of pick blueberries. And so this. But I

1905
01:42:34,400 --> 01:42:36,920
Speaker 3: called all my friends in the media really pissed, because

1906
01:42:36,920 --> 01:42:39,600
Speaker 3: you know, this is a town Chuck, with a transient

1907
01:42:39,600 --> 01:42:43,000
Speaker 3: population and a lack of institutional memory. And what we

1908
01:42:43,080 --> 01:42:46,240
Speaker 3: need the local media to do is to when the

1909
01:42:46,280 --> 01:42:49,280
Speaker 3: city transforms as often as it does, to remind us

1910
01:42:49,280 --> 01:42:52,679
Speaker 3: who these dynastic political crime families are, what they've done,

1911
01:42:52,720 --> 01:42:53,680
Speaker 3: and what they're capable of.

1912
01:42:53,920 --> 01:42:56,320
Speaker 2: And I called them all. Nobody mentioned Chuck. Yes, they

1913
01:42:56,360 --> 01:42:58,960
Speaker 2: mentioned in nineteen eighty five. The first thing he did was.

1914
01:42:58,920 --> 01:43:01,120
Speaker 1: They didn't mention the absent ballot. I mean, it's the

1915
01:43:01,160 --> 01:43:03,040
Speaker 1: greatest fraud.

1916
01:43:03,360 --> 01:43:04,040
Speaker 2: They didn't mention.

1917
01:43:04,280 --> 01:43:06,840
Speaker 3: Your last thing he did is mayor in nineteen ninety

1918
01:43:06,880 --> 01:43:09,680
Speaker 3: eight is get removed from office by a judge for

1919
01:43:09,760 --> 01:43:13,360
Speaker 3: absentee ballot fraud so bad in fact, that they didn't

1920
01:43:13,360 --> 01:43:14,479
Speaker 3: even order a new election.

1921
01:43:14,760 --> 01:43:16,720
Speaker 1: They just gave it to the other guy. They gave

1922
01:43:16,720 --> 01:43:19,040
Speaker 1: it to Joe Corroll. You of all people, Well that

1923
01:43:19,160 --> 01:43:21,639
Speaker 1: was the reason. You're like, who could out corrupt who?

1924
01:43:22,000 --> 01:43:24,559
Speaker 1: It was just like, you know, that's why at first

1925
01:43:24,560 --> 01:43:27,240
Speaker 1: you're like, I don't know. They both probably tried to cheat.

1926
01:43:27,840 --> 01:43:29,880
Speaker 1: One guy just was more brazen about it.

1927
01:43:29,880 --> 01:43:34,160
Speaker 3: It's extremely relevant that you bring this up because all

1928
01:43:34,200 --> 01:43:38,280
Speaker 3: of Trump's a kind of like, what sounds like this

1929
01:43:38,400 --> 01:43:43,040
Speaker 3: sort of apocryphal demagoguery about not only election fraud but

1930
01:43:43,080 --> 01:43:45,320
Speaker 3: immigration emptying out the asylums.

1931
01:43:45,479 --> 01:43:47,320
Speaker 2: Dude, that's the Mariel boat lift.

1932
01:43:47,560 --> 01:43:50,800
Speaker 3: And when he talks about dead people voting, that is

1933
01:43:50,840 --> 01:43:55,080
Speaker 3: the nineteen ninety seven Miami mayoral election, where as Carl

1934
01:43:55,120 --> 01:43:57,280
Speaker 3: Hyasin called a manny Yip and his buddies down at

1935
01:43:57,320 --> 01:44:00,400
Speaker 3: the cemetery who were super voters. They voted in every

1936
01:44:00,439 --> 01:44:03,599
Speaker 3: election since they died seven years ago, and.

1937
01:44:03,479 --> 01:44:04,599
Speaker 2: That's how they got caught.

1938
01:44:04,920 --> 01:44:08,080
Speaker 1: Because you're like, wow, Well, first of all, if I

1939
01:44:08,120 --> 01:44:11,719
Speaker 1: remember correctly, Suarez got more absentee votes than real votes

1940
01:44:11,800 --> 01:44:13,720
Speaker 1: back in a time when we weren't doing a lot

1941
01:44:13,720 --> 01:44:15,200
Speaker 1: of early voting in the late nineties.

1942
01:44:15,520 --> 01:44:19,120
Speaker 2: But wast that's like, but but so the kernel of

1943
01:44:19,200 --> 01:44:23,599
Speaker 2: truthiness in Trump's in Trump's election fraud that election, yes,

1944
01:44:23,920 --> 01:44:24,800
Speaker 2: but a lot of.

1945
01:44:24,760 --> 01:44:28,200
Speaker 3: It comes from Miami, the kernel of his emptying out

1946
01:44:28,240 --> 01:44:30,559
Speaker 3: the like I said, the emptying out the asylums, the

1947
01:44:30,600 --> 01:44:31,519
Speaker 3: dead people voting.

1948
01:44:31,600 --> 01:44:34,320
Speaker 2: Well, you know what happened in Miami. Whoa, whoa?

1949
01:44:35,080 --> 01:44:38,479
Speaker 1: Be careful falling for his asylum line. You know, this

1950
01:44:38,640 --> 01:44:40,200
Speaker 1: is one of those where I'm pretty sure.

1951
01:44:40,120 --> 01:44:41,559
Speaker 2: He used about what asylum is.

1952
01:44:41,640 --> 01:44:45,000
Speaker 1: Yes, every time he hears the word asylum, he doesn't

1953
01:44:45,120 --> 01:44:48,600
Speaker 1: understand what it means. He thinks it's the insane asylum.

1954
01:44:49,960 --> 01:44:52,040
Speaker 1: It's a what you know that you seek it.

1955
01:44:52,439 --> 01:44:54,680
Speaker 3: I think he's conflating it though, because he knows he

1956
01:44:54,760 --> 01:44:55,640
Speaker 3: seems starface.

1957
01:44:55,760 --> 01:45:01,960
Speaker 2: He knows did that you know byami politics, he's seen scarface.

1958
01:45:02,080 --> 01:45:04,280
Speaker 2: That's what I'm what I'm seeing is that it's a

1959
01:45:04,280 --> 01:45:07,280
Speaker 2: movie mobster. I know, it's the kernel of truthiness there.

1960
01:45:07,400 --> 01:45:08,840
Speaker 2: You know that the uh that begs?

1961
01:45:08,880 --> 01:45:12,840
Speaker 3: But I think on I you cannot and you know this,

1962
01:45:13,200 --> 01:45:16,360
Speaker 3: you cannot count Joe Carollo out.

1963
01:45:16,760 --> 01:45:18,559
Speaker 2: No, somehow he could end up being mayor.

1964
01:45:18,760 --> 01:45:21,639
Speaker 3: He knows how to drink this better than anybody else, does,

1965
01:45:21,720 --> 01:45:24,559
Speaker 3: Dude like, because this isn't a citywide election.

1966
01:45:25,000 --> 01:45:26,479
Speaker 2: This is a bulletarra election.

1967
01:45:26,600 --> 01:45:29,320
Speaker 3: Because we're going to have such low voter turnout that

1968
01:45:29,360 --> 01:45:30,960
Speaker 3: it's gonna it's gonna be about it.

1969
01:45:31,000 --> 01:45:33,840
Speaker 2: There's nothing else on the ballot, right, I.

1970
01:45:33,840 --> 01:45:36,000
Speaker 3: Think there's a there's a couple of referendums in the city,

1971
01:45:36,040 --> 01:45:38,799
Speaker 3: but no no state wide, no county wide.

1972
01:45:38,880 --> 01:45:40,559
Speaker 2: No, you know obviously no, And.

1973
01:45:40,560 --> 01:45:42,280
Speaker 1: This is one of those where and I know it

1974
01:45:42,320 --> 01:45:45,360
Speaker 1: got turned into Francis Soarez was trying to go another year.

1975
01:45:46,439 --> 01:45:48,280
Speaker 2: This was not He's not wrong.

1976
01:45:48,439 --> 01:45:51,240
Speaker 1: We actually, if you want more voters participating in this

1977
01:45:51,360 --> 01:45:54,000
Speaker 1: election should be in the even numbered year. La mayor

1978
01:45:54,000 --> 01:45:56,880
Speaker 1: did this and they extended they had one five year

1979
01:45:57,000 --> 01:45:59,200
Speaker 1: term in order to do the same thing.

1980
01:45:59,680 --> 01:46:00,280
Speaker 2: It it is.

1981
01:46:00,880 --> 01:46:04,160
Speaker 1: The problem is in Miami, the assumption is, you know,

1982
01:46:04,280 --> 01:46:05,760
Speaker 1: this must be a corrupt angle here.

1983
01:46:05,880 --> 01:46:08,040
Speaker 3: No. No, But but it was because I mean if

1984
01:46:08,040 --> 01:46:10,080
Speaker 3: you saw it, like all he cares about is next

1985
01:46:10,160 --> 01:46:11,840
Speaker 3: year is World Cup in G twenty.

1986
01:46:12,040 --> 01:46:14,479
Speaker 2: No, he wanted the tickets. He's not the mayor.

1987
01:46:14,680 --> 01:46:17,519
Speaker 3: Then he's a relevant and this guy has zero path

1988
01:46:17,600 --> 01:46:21,479
Speaker 3: forward politically or diplomatically for that man he really wanted

1989
01:46:21,479 --> 01:46:25,639
Speaker 3: to be. He worked basically as a unregistered lobbyist for Saudi,

1990
01:46:25,720 --> 01:46:30,240
Speaker 3: the Saudis, and then wanted to be the ambassaard you know.

1991
01:46:30,880 --> 01:46:33,360
Speaker 1: You know, he was a never trumper and he's like

1992
01:46:33,640 --> 01:46:36,240
Speaker 1: h DeSantis for some in that, you know. And there

1993
01:46:36,320 --> 01:46:38,880
Speaker 1: was a minute that he flirted with running for governor

1994
01:46:38,920 --> 01:46:41,960
Speaker 1: as an independent for like two seconds. And then now

1995
01:46:41,960 --> 01:46:44,040
Speaker 1: he's trying to get into Trump world, you know. And

1996
01:46:44,080 --> 01:46:46,760
Speaker 1: he hired Kelly Ann I think as a consultant for

1997
01:46:46,800 --> 01:46:48,960
Speaker 1: a while there, which got him. That's when the VP

1998
01:46:49,120 --> 01:46:52,639
Speaker 1: running mate stuff got got created. Right, it was because

1999
01:46:52,640 --> 01:46:55,479
Speaker 1: he basically tried to get back into Trump world.

2000
01:46:55,479 --> 01:46:57,439
Speaker 2: That was a rumor. That was a rumor that he started.

2001
01:46:57,560 --> 01:47:02,120
Speaker 2: It is correct quite successfully. Mind you.

2002
01:47:02,560 --> 01:47:06,360
Speaker 1: All right, how are you feeling about Mario Cristabal these days?

2003
01:47:07,400 --> 01:47:11,639
Speaker 2: Listen, If Mario can't do it, nobody can. It's over.

2004
01:47:11,880 --> 01:47:14,000
Speaker 2: Like that's interesting. I sort of agree.

2005
01:47:14,080 --> 01:47:16,920
Speaker 1: I hate admitting that, but Mario is what got all

2006
01:47:17,000 --> 01:47:19,880
Speaker 1: the investment, and you can't. And right now, that's the

2007
01:47:19,880 --> 01:47:22,880
Speaker 1: way college football works. There are forty programs that can

2008
01:47:22,920 --> 01:47:25,800
Speaker 1: play at the top level, and somehow Miami decided to

2009
01:47:25,840 --> 01:47:28,320
Speaker 1: become one of those financially and that's because of Mario

2010
01:47:28,360 --> 01:47:28,960
Speaker 1: and his friends.

2011
01:47:29,280 --> 01:47:34,080
Speaker 3: NCAA fucked up their own their own game, and now

2012
01:47:34,080 --> 01:47:36,880
Speaker 3: we're all living with the consequences of it.

2013
01:47:36,960 --> 01:47:38,840
Speaker 2: Now, for better or for worse. I mean, you know,

2014
01:47:38,840 --> 01:47:39,360
Speaker 2: it's funny.

2015
01:47:39,360 --> 01:47:42,000
Speaker 1: I admitted this to a friend of mine the other day,

2016
01:47:42,040 --> 01:47:47,720
Speaker 1: which is, if if Miami weren't weren't able to show

2017
01:47:47,720 --> 01:47:50,479
Speaker 1: that it could play in this new world, I'd hate

2018
01:47:50,520 --> 01:47:53,879
Speaker 1: this and I'd be criticizing it. Right I'm less critical

2019
01:47:53,880 --> 01:47:56,599
Speaker 1: because at least we're the have because it's a we're

2020
01:47:56,600 --> 01:47:59,040
Speaker 1: going to the premier league. There are going to be

2021
01:47:59,080 --> 01:48:03,640
Speaker 1: forty programs that can play at this level, will consistently

2022
01:48:03,760 --> 01:48:07,200
Speaker 1: have the resources to do it, and they'll have another

2023
01:48:07,240 --> 01:48:09,760
Speaker 1: twenty programs that every once in a while we'll get

2024
01:48:09,840 --> 01:48:12,800
Speaker 1: lucky and it'll be a fun little thing like Wichita

2025
01:48:12,840 --> 01:48:15,880
Speaker 1: State in the basketball world, right every once in a while,

2026
01:48:16,040 --> 01:48:19,559
Speaker 1: or a Gonzaga and and you know, unless they less

2027
01:48:19,560 --> 01:48:23,000
Speaker 1: the FEDS truly get involved, and and you know, Miami

2028
01:48:23,120 --> 01:48:24,800
Speaker 1: is going to be a market that survives and a

2029
01:48:24,880 --> 01:48:28,400
Speaker 1: school that's a that's on the alet on the A team,

2030
01:48:28,720 --> 01:48:32,200
Speaker 1: and you have all the What's interesting is watching whether

2031
01:48:32,479 --> 01:48:34,880
Speaker 1: a Florida can do it, right, whether Florida State can

2032
01:48:34,880 --> 01:48:37,680
Speaker 1: do it, whether a Clemson can do it, and some

2033
01:48:37,760 --> 01:48:38,439
Speaker 1: of them aren't.

2034
01:48:38,200 --> 01:48:39,040
Speaker 2: Going to be able to do it.

2035
01:48:39,880 --> 01:48:42,200
Speaker 3: I'm I will say that I thought that we grew

2036
01:48:42,360 --> 01:48:46,200
Speaker 3: out of being the team that has that senseless mid

2037
01:48:46,240 --> 01:48:47,920
Speaker 3: season loss that we had.

2038
01:48:48,080 --> 01:48:48,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2039
01:48:48,360 --> 01:48:53,519
Speaker 1: Well, by the way, though, I sort of ask me

2040
01:48:53,520 --> 01:48:55,600
Speaker 1: again next week because I'm going to that game. My

2041
01:48:55,680 --> 01:48:57,840
Speaker 1: son's at SMU, so I got my daughter at Miami,

2042
01:48:57,880 --> 01:49:00,320
Speaker 1: my son at SMU, so we don't have family outing

2043
01:49:00,360 --> 01:49:04,040
Speaker 1: to the Miami SMU game. I'll learn a lot about

2044
01:49:04,360 --> 01:49:06,760
Speaker 1: We'll learn a lot about this team to me in

2045
01:49:06,840 --> 01:49:11,479
Speaker 1: that game, because that's the game they lose the last

2046
01:49:11,479 --> 01:49:12,240
Speaker 1: five years.

2047
01:49:12,840 --> 01:49:15,080
Speaker 2: Right. Well, but I think we did it to Louisville already.

2048
01:49:15,120 --> 01:49:16,759
Speaker 2: I think, well, that's my point.

2049
01:49:17,000 --> 01:49:20,160
Speaker 1: You're okay to do one that happens every season we

2050
01:49:20,200 --> 01:49:22,720
Speaker 1: had this, even during the heyday. I remember a game

2051
01:49:22,720 --> 01:49:25,360
Speaker 1: against Boston College in two thousand and one where Ed

2052
01:49:25,400 --> 01:49:28,240
Speaker 1: Reid saved the game, right, you know, we almost blew

2053
01:49:28,280 --> 01:49:30,760
Speaker 1: that game. There's always a game like that where you

2054
01:49:30,920 --> 01:49:33,559
Speaker 1: either do lose or you almost lose it. We lost

2055
01:49:33,560 --> 01:49:36,040
Speaker 1: a stupid game at BYU one year that cost us

2056
01:49:36,040 --> 01:49:40,960
Speaker 1: a title, you know, So I'm not I'm okay with

2057
01:49:41,040 --> 01:49:44,920
Speaker 1: one and this new system. At least for the ACC schools,

2058
01:49:44,960 --> 01:49:47,799
Speaker 1: you can survive one, you can't survive two. Only SEC

2059
01:49:47,840 --> 01:49:49,000
Speaker 1: schools get to survive too.

2060
01:49:49,720 --> 01:49:52,240
Speaker 2: I think I don't think there's going to be another

2061
01:49:52,280 --> 01:49:53,280
Speaker 2: loss this sub.

2062
01:49:53,800 --> 01:49:55,439
Speaker 1: I worry about the PIT game, and I worry about

2063
01:49:55,439 --> 01:49:57,439
Speaker 1: this the two road games SMU and PITT.

2064
01:49:57,680 --> 01:49:59,920
Speaker 3: I just think I hope, I hope they've learned some less.

2065
01:50:00,200 --> 01:50:01,840
Speaker 3: I hope they made some adjustments. I hope they're going

2066
01:50:01,920 --> 01:50:05,040
Speaker 3: to it certainly seems from this from this week's game

2067
01:50:05,080 --> 01:50:08,320
Speaker 3: that they are last week's game, that they're going to

2068
01:50:08,320 --> 01:50:09,720
Speaker 3: be coaching a bit more aggressively.

2069
01:50:10,040 --> 01:50:10,400
Speaker 2: They're not.

2070
01:50:10,479 --> 01:50:13,519
Speaker 1: I appreciated that they ran up that Mario Christobald never

2071
01:50:13,560 --> 01:50:18,200
Speaker 1: cares about covering spreads, and they went to score that touchdown.

2072
01:50:18,760 --> 01:50:20,080
Speaker 2: They knew that.

2073
01:50:20,720 --> 01:50:23,840
Speaker 1: Look the difference between Miami getting a BUYE or not

2074
01:50:23,880 --> 01:50:26,320
Speaker 1: getting a BUYE or getting into the tournament or not

2075
01:50:26,320 --> 01:50:31,080
Speaker 1: getting into the tournament might be. How big your victory is.

2076
01:50:31,160 --> 01:50:34,040
Speaker 1: I mean, look what Florida State got left out after

2077
01:50:34,040 --> 01:50:37,439
Speaker 1: being undefeated, right, we know that the ESPN Invitational will

2078
01:50:37,479 --> 01:50:42,200
Speaker 1: leave teams out. Is if Alabama's a notre name are available.

2079
01:50:42,320 --> 01:50:44,639
Speaker 3: It should have been forty to seven at the half

2080
01:50:44,840 --> 01:50:47,680
Speaker 3: of the Notre Dame game, like it, just like the

2081
01:50:47,760 --> 01:50:49,080
Speaker 3: conservative I'm hoping that.

2082
01:50:49,120 --> 01:50:54,800
Speaker 1: You know, we're this conservative coaching. It's the first half stubbornness.

2083
01:50:55,040 --> 01:50:58,559
Speaker 1: They stick to the game plan, and then God bless

2084
01:50:58,560 --> 01:51:01,479
Speaker 1: them now that they have all these advisors who basically

2085
01:51:01,520 --> 01:51:03,519
Speaker 1: come up with the game plan at halftime while the

2086
01:51:03,520 --> 01:51:05,720
Speaker 1: coaches are on the field. I mean, this is what

2087
01:51:05,760 --> 01:51:08,120
Speaker 1: these big time programs can afford to do now, and

2088
01:51:08,160 --> 01:51:11,599
Speaker 1: Miami's now doing that. We have an entire coaching staff

2089
01:51:11,720 --> 01:51:15,120
Speaker 1: that does nothing but scout the next opponent and then

2090
01:51:15,240 --> 01:51:16,200
Speaker 1: here's your game plan.

2091
01:51:17,360 --> 01:51:19,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I listen, I saw that. And if it was.

2092
01:51:21,040 --> 01:51:24,639
Speaker 3: Three of our signature wins this year were as close

2093
01:51:24,720 --> 01:51:28,040
Speaker 3: to meltdowns and major meltdowns as they were sign like

2094
01:51:28,160 --> 01:51:29,559
Speaker 3: major wins two years ago.

2095
01:51:29,640 --> 01:51:31,840
Speaker 1: We lose those games. Two years ago, we lose to

2096
01:51:31,880 --> 01:51:35,200
Speaker 1: Florida State, two years ago. We might have blown that

2097
01:51:35,240 --> 01:51:38,599
Speaker 1: Florida game. At Florida game was there Dame game right,

2098
01:51:38,640 --> 01:51:43,160
Speaker 1: and we didn't. I didn't mar the Louisville game.

2099
01:51:43,240 --> 01:51:43,840
Speaker 2: Can't do it.

2100
01:51:44,479 --> 01:51:47,920
Speaker 1: In the Louisville game, Louisville threw everything at us in

2101
01:51:47,920 --> 01:51:51,639
Speaker 1: that first drive, got their touchdown, and basically they hung

2102
01:51:51,680 --> 01:51:52,599
Speaker 1: on for dear life.

2103
01:51:53,160 --> 01:51:54,679
Speaker 2: Carson Beck just tried to be a hero.

2104
01:51:54,760 --> 01:51:56,240
Speaker 1: If he doesn't try to be a hero, we win

2105
01:51:56,320 --> 01:51:59,240
Speaker 1: that game, probably with the last minute field goal.

2106
01:52:00,080 --> 01:52:03,320
Speaker 3: I again, if Mario can't do it. No, I think

2107
01:52:03,360 --> 01:52:07,120
Speaker 3: this this investment by this this school, which you and

2108
01:52:07,160 --> 01:52:10,320
Speaker 3: I are both extremely impressed, and because.

2109
01:52:10,040 --> 01:52:11,360
Speaker 2: They've never done it in the past.

2110
01:52:11,600 --> 01:52:14,280
Speaker 1: Despite all the rumors about Miami and money, it was

2111
01:52:14,439 --> 01:52:16,840
Speaker 1: never anything like Alabama and A and M and l

2112
01:52:16,960 --> 01:52:20,760
Speaker 1: s U. Nobody Miami never spent like those three programs.

2113
01:52:21,040 --> 01:52:22,080
Speaker 2: And this year they are.

2114
01:52:22,320 --> 01:52:25,640
Speaker 3: And I think that this is this is like, this

2115
01:52:25,720 --> 01:52:28,679
Speaker 3: feels like the last coach of the Canes in meaning

2116
01:52:28,720 --> 01:52:28,920
Speaker 3: like it.

2117
01:52:29,080 --> 01:52:32,800
Speaker 1: Rights it's either he's r. Saban and the next Jimmy

2118
01:52:32,840 --> 01:52:38,519
Speaker 1: Johnson or or Miami is you know, Georgia Tech football

2119
01:52:38,560 --> 01:52:41,880
Speaker 1: at best an occasional at occasional lightning strike.

2120
01:52:42,280 --> 01:52:43,800
Speaker 2: Once a decade, but that's probably it.

2121
01:52:43,840 --> 01:52:45,920
Speaker 3: And all of our games are on the History Channel

2122
01:52:46,040 --> 01:52:48,559
Speaker 3: kind of vibe and like that. And they and they, well,

2123
01:52:48,560 --> 01:52:51,519
Speaker 3: they do what they did during the Shalila era, which

2124
01:52:51,560 --> 01:52:54,120
Speaker 3: is to kind of trade on their reputation and rest

2125
01:52:54,160 --> 01:52:56,200
Speaker 3: on their laurels, which they're not doing right now. They're

2126
01:52:56,200 --> 01:52:58,760
Speaker 3: trying to build their own reputation in a new dynasty.

2127
01:52:58,760 --> 01:53:00,639
Speaker 2: And I mean, Emmy, I'm sure.

2128
01:53:00,520 --> 01:53:02,240
Speaker 1: You feel this, and we're going on too long here,

2129
01:53:02,400 --> 01:53:05,760
Speaker 1: and I apologize, but Rubin Bain is the first guy

2130
01:53:06,240 --> 01:53:08,000
Speaker 1: that's reminded me of old Miami.

2131
01:53:08,080 --> 01:53:08,839
Speaker 2: I'm like that.

2132
01:53:08,840 --> 01:53:11,439
Speaker 1: That's what I'm telling my son, I Mike, that we

2133
01:53:11,600 --> 01:53:14,720
Speaker 1: always had a guy like Ruben Bain always, whether it

2134
01:53:14,760 --> 01:53:19,280
Speaker 1: was Daniel Stubbs, Kevin Fagan, you know, a Cortes, Kennedy,

2135
01:53:19,560 --> 01:53:22,760
Speaker 1: Wolf Fork sap right, we always had a Ruben Bain

2136
01:53:22,840 --> 01:53:24,519
Speaker 1: and we haven't had one in a while. It's nice

2137
01:53:24,520 --> 01:53:25,040
Speaker 1: to have one.

2138
01:53:25,760 --> 01:53:28,679
Speaker 3: I'd like to see that the players, you know, get

2139
01:53:28,720 --> 01:53:31,920
Speaker 3: coached up, play more aggressive, maybe even you know, what

2140
01:53:31,960 --> 01:53:34,720
Speaker 3: you also had in that era was you had players

2141
01:53:34,880 --> 01:53:38,439
Speaker 3: who were calling audibles, who were changing the play on

2142
01:53:38,560 --> 01:53:41,200
Speaker 3: the field. It didn't matter what they said on the sideline,

2143
01:53:41,200 --> 01:53:43,840
Speaker 3: if they were reading efense differently, if they were you know,

2144
01:53:43,840 --> 01:53:46,240
Speaker 3: if they had something else, some other scheme in my

2145
01:53:46,439 --> 01:53:49,040
Speaker 3: like and I know that gets your benched these days

2146
01:53:49,080 --> 01:53:51,840
Speaker 3: in this big time college football game. But that that

2147
01:53:52,000 --> 01:53:54,240
Speaker 3: was the It was the what was that great line

2148
01:53:54,280 --> 01:53:56,400
Speaker 3: from one of the U documentaries. It was the first

2149
01:53:56,680 --> 01:53:59,200
Speaker 3: the U documentary when Dennis Erickson came in, I think

2150
01:53:59,280 --> 01:54:02,559
Speaker 3: Jerome Brown somebody went to him and said, you've just

2151
01:54:02,720 --> 01:54:06,200
Speaker 3: been handed the keys to a Ferrari, like just you know, know,

2152
01:54:06,560 --> 01:54:10,559
Speaker 3: just you know, like this is not something you have

2153
01:54:10,640 --> 01:54:14,320
Speaker 3: to worry about, Like just it's a perfectly oiled machine.

2154
01:54:14,920 --> 01:54:16,360
Speaker 2: Just don't fuck it up, dude.

2155
01:54:16,479 --> 01:54:18,799
Speaker 1: And by the way, he kind of he won two titles.

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Speaker 1: Can't say he messed it up. He didn't leave us

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Speaker 1: in the best of shape.

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Speaker 3: But no, listen, I mean that's sort of that's the

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01:54:24,240 --> 01:54:27,599
Speaker 3: sort of semi absentee coaching style. Letting the assistance and

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01:54:27,640 --> 01:54:30,320
Speaker 3: the and the lunatics run the asylum got the man

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Speaker 3: some jewelry, man, I mean.

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01:54:32,440 --> 01:54:34,080
Speaker 1: Yes, it did, and it got him in a couple

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01:54:34,160 --> 01:54:38,640
Speaker 1: of NFL coaching gigs to boot. I like the siren,

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01:54:38,680 --> 01:54:40,840
Speaker 1: by the way, I like that we I rarely like

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Speaker 1: trying to start a tradition that never existed. Don't hate it.

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Speaker 1: I think the sirens are pretty good new tradition.

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Speaker 3: I also love that, like Michael Irvin is it every

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Speaker 3: game is hit every game.

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Speaker 1: So my daughter's a little She's like, what does he

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01:54:54,920 --> 01:54:58,440
Speaker 1: do for the university? And I'm like, she goes, because

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01:54:58,440 --> 01:55:00,520
Speaker 1: he's every He's at every game and you know, she's

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01:55:00,560 --> 01:55:02,960
Speaker 1: part of homecoming. And she's like, and then, so have

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Speaker 1: you ever been to a Cowboys game?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: This is a little disturbing.

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Speaker 1: So I went to a Packers Cowboys game a couple

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Speaker 1: of weeks ago and Michael Irvin the you know that

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Speaker 1: you go to a Miami game and before the fourth quarter, right,

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Speaker 1: they blair the Michael Irvin raw Ross speech to get

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Speaker 1: you fired up.

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01:55:23,160 --> 01:55:26,400
Speaker 2: It's a fourth quarter, it's green tree, right, all this stuff.

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Speaker 1: He does the same thing for the Cowboys for their

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Speaker 1: fourth quarter. And I'm like, and I tape it and

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Speaker 1: I send it. You know, I record it. Listen to me.

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01:55:35,320 --> 01:55:37,440
Speaker 1: I'm an old guy, right, I tape it, I record

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01:55:37,520 --> 01:55:39,600
Speaker 1: it and send it to my daughter. And she went,

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01:55:40,720 --> 01:55:42,880
Speaker 1: so does he just do this for every team? And

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01:55:42,920 --> 01:55:45,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, every team he played for. But it's

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01:55:45,080 --> 01:55:48,040
Speaker 1: literally the same stick that he does for Miami that

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01:55:48,080 --> 01:55:50,440
Speaker 1: he does for Jerry and the Cowboys.

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Speaker 3: I love it. I love it, and I love that.

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Speaker 3: I mean he's like Sebastian and Michael Irvin. I mean

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01:55:56,200 --> 01:55:57,600
Speaker 3: like they are are, like he.

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Speaker 2: Is our mascot.

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01:55:59,080 --> 01:56:03,240
Speaker 1: I think I think Malachai Tony's probably had to google

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01:56:03,400 --> 01:56:04,240
Speaker 1: Who's Michael Irvin.

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Speaker 2: I mean, like, I you know, it's been that long.

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Speaker 2: These kid Yeah, these kids were eighteen nineteen years old.

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Speaker 1: Right, he was, he had already he he literally he

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01:56:13,880 --> 01:56:15,720
Speaker 1: was in the Hall of Fame when they were born.

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Speaker 2: Dude.

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Speaker 3: Two thousand and two was the last time this team

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01:56:19,080 --> 01:56:22,920
Speaker 3: won a national championship. I mean there are people on

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01:56:23,000 --> 01:56:25,560
Speaker 3: this team who were not born yet. I mean just

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01:56:25,600 --> 01:56:27,200
Speaker 3: not born, not alive.

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Speaker 1: We may live in the past, but they weren't even

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01:56:29,600 --> 01:56:30,800
Speaker 1: there for the past anyway.

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Speaker 2: Us.

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Speaker 1: If you want to see the preview to Donald Trump's

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01:56:38,240 --> 01:56:41,400
Speaker 1: New War with Venezuela, Billy Corbyn already did it.

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01:56:42,720 --> 01:56:45,840
Speaker 2: Cocaines, all right, my man, good to talk with you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. Sorry I stepped on your plug at the

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01:56:48,720 --> 01:56:51,280
Speaker 2: end there, No, it's your plug. Men of war.

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01:56:51,320 --> 01:56:55,320
Speaker 1: Oh, I know everywhere everywhere you want to get you know,

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01:56:55,760 --> 01:56:58,320
Speaker 1: do you have a it's you can stream it everywhere?

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01:56:58,320 --> 01:56:59,400
Speaker 2: What Amazon? Apple?

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01:57:00,000 --> 01:57:03,040
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, everywhere, I mean direct TV, anywhere you rent

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01:57:03,240 --> 01:57:05,680
Speaker 3: or buy or stream movies.

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01:57:06,240 --> 01:57:08,480
Speaker 2: Very nice, very nice. Well go say it.

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01:57:08,480 --> 01:57:11,880
Speaker 1: It's it's worth it's worth the money, it's worth your time,

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01:57:11,920 --> 01:57:15,240
Speaker 1: worth the rental, even an ownership.

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Speaker 2: I assume you do.

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Speaker 1: What what is the difference in your finances between rental

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01:57:20,640 --> 01:57:21,080
Speaker 1: and owning?

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01:57:22,040 --> 01:57:23,360
Speaker 2: Nothing? Zero?

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01:57:23,880 --> 01:57:27,280
Speaker 3: H yeah the yeah, it's because Neon is distributing. So

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01:57:27,400 --> 01:57:30,640
Speaker 3: what No, I don't know if there's any trickle down

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01:57:31,400 --> 01:57:33,800
Speaker 3: you're it doesn't help you either way. Renting it just

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01:57:33,840 --> 01:57:36,200
Speaker 3: seeing is what I would I would love for people

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01:57:36,200 --> 01:57:37,800
Speaker 3: to see it. I think it's I think it's some

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01:57:38,240 --> 01:57:40,200
Speaker 3: I think we did. I think I think it turned

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01:57:40,200 --> 01:57:42,160
Speaker 3: out very well. You know some of these things with some.

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01:57:42,120 --> 01:57:44,000
Speaker 2: Of them, and as anything, whuld you do it?

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01:57:44,000 --> 01:57:45,800
Speaker 1: You're like, oh my god, it's even more relevant now

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01:57:46,520 --> 01:57:47,240
Speaker 1: that's my point.

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01:57:47,360 --> 01:57:50,280
Speaker 2: It's even more relevant now, all right, my friend, thank you,

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01:57:50,560 --> 01:57:51,320
Speaker 2: thanks so much, Chuck.

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01:58:01,960 --> 01:58:04,000
Speaker 1: Well, I hope you're rushing out and going and renting.

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01:58:04,080 --> 01:58:07,360
Speaker 1: Move go again, Go spend a few bucks on Metal war.

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Speaker 1: Just trust me, you'll learn you'll learn a thing or

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01:58:11,440 --> 01:58:14,760
Speaker 1: two which will be helpful as we uh as this

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01:58:14,880 --> 01:58:17,600
Speaker 1: issue in Venezuela will be front page news in the

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01:58:17,640 --> 01:58:21,120
Speaker 1: next couple of weeks when when Trump green lights this

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01:58:21,200 --> 01:58:26,280
Speaker 1: secret whatever we're doing here, Since there's no explanation to Congress,

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01:58:27,000 --> 01:58:31,440
Speaker 1: just a reminder, Republican James Langford said, if Biden we're

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01:58:31,480 --> 01:58:34,520
Speaker 1: not informing Congress as much as Trump is not informing

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01:58:34,520 --> 01:58:35,280
Speaker 1: Congress on this.

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01:58:35,760 --> 01:58:36,760
Speaker 2: He'd be apoplectic.

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01:58:38,160 --> 01:58:40,880
Speaker 1: But we digress, all right, little Q and eight time

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Speaker 1: ask Chuck, this comes from Mike Slex.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if this is Mike P. From Salex,

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01:58:50,520 --> 01:58:56,240
Speaker 1: Iowa or Mike P. Salex from Iowa. So as an

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01:58:56,280 --> 01:59:00,760
Speaker 1: Iowa guy, I'm going to see if say it is.

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Speaker 1: It's town, So my apologies for not knowing Salex, Iowa.

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01:59:05,640 --> 01:59:09,040
Speaker 1: It's a small city in Woodbury County near the Missouri River,

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01:59:09,120 --> 01:59:14,360
Speaker 1: so the western side of the state. All right, I

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01:59:14,440 --> 01:59:16,960
Speaker 1: see I see you there, I see you Salex, Iowa.

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01:59:17,040 --> 01:59:18,920
Speaker 1: So it might be my apologies.

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Speaker 2: A little.

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01:59:20,280 --> 01:59:24,520
Speaker 1: Uh. My eastern Iowa geography is much better than my

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01:59:24,520 --> 01:59:27,560
Speaker 1: western Iowa geography. But anyway, here's your here's your question.

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Speaker 1: Chuck Love the podcast never missed them. I'm curious what

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01:59:29,920 --> 01:59:32,040
Speaker 1: you think would happen if Democrats took back the House

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01:59:32,040 --> 01:59:34,200
Speaker 1: with a five to ten member advantage and took the

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01:59:34,240 --> 01:59:36,480
Speaker 1: Senate fifty one to forty nine. You think Dems would

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01:59:36,480 --> 01:59:40,360
Speaker 1: try and impeach Trump? Obviously they would start huge amounts

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01:59:40,400 --> 01:59:42,560
Speaker 1: of oversight and slow down or completely stop as agenda.

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Speaker 1: Just curious on your thoughts. Did that happened. I do

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01:59:45,120 --> 01:59:48,040
Speaker 1: not think there will be a third impeachment, Okay, I

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01:59:48,120 --> 01:59:49,000
Speaker 1: really don't.

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Speaker 2: It just it is.

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Speaker 1: I don't think a Democrat will it will will instigate

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Speaker 1: a third impeachment. The only shot you would have at

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02:00:02,400 --> 02:00:06,360
Speaker 1: a third impeachment of Trump is if Republicans in the

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02:00:06,400 --> 02:00:08,880
Speaker 1: Congress were the ones to instigate it. For some reason,

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02:00:10,320 --> 02:00:13,240
Speaker 1: there's Democrats are not going to start this because the

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02:00:13,280 --> 02:00:15,879
Speaker 1: minute it becomes partisan, you're not going to get anywhere.

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Speaker 2: You're going to get a lot more.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be a lot more fruitful, frankly, to

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02:00:20,160 --> 02:00:24,240
Speaker 1: do the oversight, a lot more fruitful to force this

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02:00:24,320 --> 02:00:27,480
Speaker 1: administration to tell to tell the country what it's doing,

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02:00:27,520 --> 02:00:30,600
Speaker 1: whether it's on military campaigns like what's going on in Venezuela,

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02:00:31,960 --> 02:00:35,560
Speaker 1: what they've been doing with usaid, what's been happening at

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02:00:35,560 --> 02:00:39,040
Speaker 1: the Department of Education, what's been happening at HHS and

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Speaker 1: the CDC, that is, you know, there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: you know, in some ways, impeachment would be a distraction

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02:00:46,560 --> 02:00:49,280
Speaker 1: from all the work that in oversight, work that needs

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Speaker 1: to be done in a variety of other places. So

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Speaker 1: I think it would be politically it is. Look I

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02:00:57,120 --> 02:01:01,640
Speaker 1: think Republicans in some places are going to use as

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02:01:01,720 --> 02:01:07,000
Speaker 1: part of their counter messaging in the midterms that Democrats

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02:01:07,120 --> 02:01:09,160
Speaker 1: just want control of Congress in order to impeach Trump,

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02:01:10,360 --> 02:01:12,640
Speaker 1: because they're going to be trying to figure out how

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02:01:12,720 --> 02:01:15,040
Speaker 1: to goose the Trump voter to show up for the midterms.

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Speaker 1: And so I do think the impeachment issue is going

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Speaker 1: to be somewhat salient in these campaigns, but mostly from

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Speaker 1: Republican campaigns. And you're going to have I think a

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Speaker 1: lot of Democrats running for the House and Senate saying no,

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Speaker 1: we're not going to pursue impeachment, and probably saying it

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Speaker 1: on the campaign drum. So I don't expect an impeachment.

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Speaker 1: I expect rigorous oversight. I go back to something I

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02:01:43,360 --> 02:01:45,000
Speaker 1: hinted at in a previous episode.

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02:01:45,840 --> 02:01:48,600
Speaker 2: This is the bad bet. Corporate America's making.

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02:01:49,520 --> 02:01:54,920
Speaker 1: This decision to essentially allow themselves to be extorted by Trump,

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02:01:54,960 --> 02:01:58,600
Speaker 1: whether it's to give money to the building. Again, I

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02:01:58,640 --> 02:02:03,040
Speaker 1: could make a patriotic case for funding the building, and

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02:02:03,200 --> 02:02:06,120
Speaker 1: you know, and as the way presidential libraries are sort

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02:02:06,120 --> 02:02:10,440
Speaker 1: of kind of bipartisan money, people will throw money at,

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02:02:10,520 --> 02:02:12,560
Speaker 1: you know, the Biden Library and the Trump Library right

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02:02:12,600 --> 02:02:17,200
Speaker 1: to sort of claim that they're balancing themselves out. I

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02:02:17,240 --> 02:02:21,040
Speaker 1: think all of these corporate entities, whoever's given money to

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02:02:21,280 --> 02:02:26,720
Speaker 1: the inaugural fund, whoever's given money to the to the building,

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02:02:27,920 --> 02:02:32,760
Speaker 1: these various crypto ventures, they're all because while Trump may

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02:02:32,760 --> 02:02:36,000
Speaker 1: be able to use executive privilege to prevent a lot

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Speaker 1: of testimony from Trump appointed officials, Corporate America is not

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02:02:40,560 --> 02:02:43,720
Speaker 1: going to be able to hide from these subpoenas as well.

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Speaker 1: And that's where I expect there to be a lot

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02:02:46,680 --> 02:02:52,680
Speaker 1: of action and potentially a lot of confessions, and where

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Speaker 1: we'll find out exactly how how Trump Trump World's extortionist

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02:02:59,200 --> 02:03:03,840
Speaker 1: tactics work. Right, How does it work? There's going to

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02:03:03,920 --> 02:03:08,440
Speaker 1: be corporate entities that, if Democrats get control, that are

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02:03:08,440 --> 02:03:10,960
Speaker 1: going to be put in some uncomfortable positions thanks to

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Speaker 1: subpoenis that's where I expect the most fruitful ways. And

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Speaker 1: you may say, well, they'll probably what gets uncovered. May say, hey,

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Speaker 1: that's impeachable, of which I would argue anything's impeachable. It's

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Speaker 1: whatever a majority of the House says, right.

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Speaker 2: It is.

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Speaker 1: There's basically a similarity. You know how they say grand

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Speaker 1: jury's you know you can get it. You can indict

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Speaker 1: a ham sandwich. Well, you can impeach a ham sandwich

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02:03:36,320 --> 02:03:38,200
Speaker 1: if a majority of the House decides to impeach a

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02:03:38,280 --> 02:03:41,800
Speaker 1: ham sandwich. So anything to me and an impeachable offense,

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Speaker 1: I think it goes into what should be an impeachable

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02:03:45,200 --> 02:03:46,640
Speaker 1: offense on that front.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 1: Next question comes from Chris k out of South Carolina.

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Speaker 1: Chris K Junior, don't want to leave that out. We

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Speaker 1: got it have we got it wrong? When it comes

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Speaker 1: to how we compensate members of Congress and government officials,

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02:03:59,520 --> 02:04:01,360
Speaker 1: lately have been wondering a better pay might attract more

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02:04:01,360 --> 02:04:04,400
Speaker 1: serious qualified individuals to public service. If term moments are

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02:04:04,440 --> 02:04:07,280
Speaker 1: the future, who besides the wealthy can afford to pursue

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02:04:07,280 --> 02:04:10,040
Speaker 1: a short lived political career. Would a higher salary make

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02:04:10,080 --> 02:04:13,880
Speaker 1: it more palatable, demanding stock trading and divesting from personal

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02:04:13,880 --> 02:04:16,880
Speaker 1: financial interests within that helped shift the focus from personal

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02:04:17,000 --> 02:04:20,400
Speaker 1: enrichment to public service. Civic duty may only go so far,

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02:04:21,280 --> 02:04:27,440
Speaker 1: go Hawkeyes. So look, I've always been a bit more

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Speaker 1: empathetic of members of Congress and this salary. Right, I

2350
02:04:32,800 --> 02:04:34,360
Speaker 1: think you have to do this one of two ways.

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02:04:34,400 --> 02:04:38,320
Speaker 1: You either have to make it easier to be a

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02:04:38,840 --> 02:04:44,560
Speaker 1: member of Congress and have essentially have two living conditions. Right,

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02:04:44,600 --> 02:04:46,840
Speaker 1: the idea that members of Congress have decided they're going

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Speaker 1: to sleep in their office because they don't want to

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Speaker 1: have to pay extra money for you know, a rental

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Speaker 1: or something like this.

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Speaker 2: Look, I think we out of corporate housing for members

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Speaker 2: of Congress.

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Speaker 1: So you know, we might have dormitories, right, you know,

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Speaker 1: high end dormitories, high in corporate housing. That was a

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Speaker 1: popular thing a decade or so ago with remote stuff.

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Speaker 1: It's corporate housing is sort of not, no, not as

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Speaker 1: prolific as it once was. There was used to be

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Speaker 1: quite a few corporate housing complexes here in DC. There's

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02:05:22,400 --> 02:05:24,640
Speaker 1: still a fair number because you do get a lot

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02:05:24,680 --> 02:05:28,680
Speaker 1: of temporary deployments in the government, particularly military or defense

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02:05:28,680 --> 02:05:32,840
Speaker 1: contractors and things like that, But I think corporate housing

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02:05:32,880 --> 02:05:39,480
Speaker 1: would be a more affordable way. You know, it's funny.

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Speaker 1: I I think congressional pensions. I I don't think members

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Speaker 1: of Congress should get a pension.

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Speaker 2: But.

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Speaker 1: Or if you do get it, or it should be

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Speaker 1: sort of if you want the pension, then you got

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Speaker 1: a band stock trading like I think you could do

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Speaker 1: something like that or what it's worth, because once you've

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Speaker 1: hit five years, you get this pension and it's you know,

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Speaker 1: it's quite something.

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Speaker 2: I think staffers ought to be eligible for this stuff.

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Speaker 1: But I think you could have a conversation about elected official.

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Speaker 2: But look if you.

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Speaker 1: If you could, if you had corporate housing so that

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Speaker 1: there wasn't this pressure to have two locations, if you

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Speaker 1: could have remote voting. And I do think if we

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Speaker 1: don't look the House of Representatives, if we if it were,

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Speaker 1: if it were right sized, what with the ratio that

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Speaker 1: it should be about, want to say, one for every

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Speaker 1: four and one thousand people, we'd have about eight hundred

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Speaker 1: somewhere between eight hundred and fifty nine hundred members of

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Speaker 1: Congress eight hundred and eighty one if you buy one

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Speaker 1: calculation that I did, but somewhere between eight fifty and

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Speaker 1: eight ninety, and.

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Speaker 2: I do think that that would diversify the pool of people.

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Speaker 1: It would sort of make it a little more accessible

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Speaker 1: to get in, if you will, but you allowed people

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Speaker 1: to still could deal with their families, remote vote every

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Speaker 1: once in a while, have remote committee meetings. I do

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Speaker 1: think there should be some more flexibility where your main

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02:07:20,040 --> 02:07:23,880
Speaker 1: office is your constituent's office, and maybe you really only

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Speaker 1: have a small hideaway here in Congress. You know, there's

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Speaker 1: there's very The bottom line is I think it's Congressional

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02:07:32,640 --> 02:07:36,960
Speaker 1: salaries are awfully low for have to have two households, right,

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02:07:37,040 --> 02:07:39,800
Speaker 1: essentially two places to live At one hundred and seventy

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars a year, that's you know, that's not yes,

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Speaker 1: you get all your expenses paid, your travel expenses.

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02:07:46,360 --> 02:07:48,960
Speaker 2: You know you're likely eating for free things like that.

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Speaker 1: You know, if you told me we were going to

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Speaker 1: have hard term limits to you know, to your terms,

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02:07:56,760 --> 02:07:59,040
Speaker 1: and I might be all in favor of doubling or

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02:07:59,040 --> 02:08:02,200
Speaker 1: tripling the south because it's only a finite amount of

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02:08:02,200 --> 02:08:06,840
Speaker 1: time and then definitely no pension on that if you

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02:08:06,880 --> 02:08:09,600
Speaker 1: did term limits. So I think it really just depends

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02:08:09,640 --> 02:08:12,480
Speaker 1: on this goes back to the need for a constitutional convention.

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Speaker 1: I think we would rethink all this if you will,

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02:08:17,080 --> 02:08:19,280
Speaker 1: I really do, and I think it all needs to

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02:08:19,320 --> 02:08:23,400
Speaker 1: be thought about here. But corporate housing could help, and

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02:08:23,440 --> 02:08:25,400
Speaker 1: I think that would lower the barrier or entry, the

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02:08:25,440 --> 02:08:26,800
Speaker 1: financial barrier to entry to some.

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02:08:26,880 --> 02:08:27,800
Speaker 2: I think that would help.

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02:08:29,320 --> 02:08:32,320
Speaker 1: Making a little more ease of participating in committee meetings,

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02:08:32,320 --> 02:08:35,960
Speaker 1: remotely voting from your congressional district. You know, I might

2421
02:08:36,000 --> 02:08:37,840
Speaker 1: say you have to vote from your congressional office. You

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02:08:37,840 --> 02:08:40,560
Speaker 1: couldn't just vote from anywhere remotely, that you'd have only

2423
02:08:40,800 --> 02:08:42,520
Speaker 1: either vote in the four of Congress or your vote

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02:08:42,520 --> 02:08:48,640
Speaker 1: from your official district office. But it's I think there's

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02:08:48,680 --> 02:08:51,400
Speaker 1: a lot of room here, which is why we need

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02:08:51,400 --> 02:08:55,080
Speaker 1: a constitutional convention, all right. Next question comes from Greg

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Speaker 1: from Alexandria, Virginia. You've talked a lot about political refums, Yes,

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Speaker 1: I have. So what are your thoughts on the biggest

2429
02:09:01,160 --> 02:09:02,720
Speaker 1: reform of them all? If you could wave a magic

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02:09:02,720 --> 02:09:05,280
Speaker 1: wand would you make the US a parliamentary system where

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02:09:05,280 --> 02:09:07,960
Speaker 1: the executive branch is chosen by the majority party in Congress?

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02:09:07,960 --> 02:09:12,560
Speaker 1: Things raise high, Greg, You know no, and I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you why.

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02:09:14,160 --> 02:09:16,200
Speaker 2: I thought. You know, one of the most compelling.

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02:09:15,840 --> 02:09:18,240
Speaker 1: Articles I've read about the state of the American democracy.

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02:09:18,360 --> 02:09:21,280
Speaker 1: Was about a month ago. I recommended it. If for

2437
02:09:21,320 --> 02:09:23,480
Speaker 1: some of you may remember when I recommended this reading.

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02:09:23,880 --> 02:09:27,560
Speaker 1: It was in Politico magazine, right, and I don't even

2439
02:09:27,640 --> 02:09:29,880
Speaker 1: know if they publish a hard copy, but it was

2440
02:09:29,960 --> 02:09:34,200
Speaker 1: under their magazine section of their website. And it was

2441
02:09:34,240 --> 02:09:35,960
Speaker 1: a case of sort of like you know, it was

2442
02:09:36,320 --> 02:09:38,880
Speaker 1: as a writer. It was a political science professor was

2443
02:09:39,160 --> 02:09:41,560
Speaker 1: basically arguing that, hey, you know, all we read about

2444
02:09:41,600 --> 02:09:44,320
Speaker 1: is all the ways that were the democracy is eroding,

2445
02:09:45,160 --> 02:09:49,720
Speaker 1: but not explaining, like you know, and comparing different things

2446
02:09:49,760 --> 02:09:54,040
Speaker 1: here with what to happen in countries where the democracy failed. Right,

2447
02:09:54,480 --> 02:09:56,720
Speaker 1: Usually it's a comparison to something that happened in Germany

2448
02:09:56,720 --> 02:10:02,320
Speaker 1: in the nineteen twenties or thirties. But this person pointed out, hey,

2449
02:10:02,680 --> 02:10:04,960
Speaker 1: take a look at the countries that didn't fall to

2450
02:10:05,080 --> 02:10:09,480
Speaker 1: authoritarian fascism or authoritarian socialism versus the countries that did.

2451
02:10:12,000 --> 02:10:19,280
Speaker 1: Parliamentary systems are very vulnerable to authoritarian populists. You can,

2452
02:10:19,360 --> 02:10:23,080
Speaker 1: you can sort of, you can, you can you can

2453
02:10:23,600 --> 02:10:24,640
Speaker 1: win with a minority.

2454
02:10:24,840 --> 02:10:25,000
Speaker 2: You know.

2455
02:10:25,040 --> 02:10:29,480
Speaker 1: The issue with a parliamentary system and how it makes

2456
02:10:29,520 --> 02:10:31,720
Speaker 1: you I think more vulnerable to an authoritarian is that

2457
02:10:31,760 --> 02:10:35,800
Speaker 1: you can win with a minority, you know, with the

2458
02:10:35,840 --> 02:10:40,879
Speaker 1: largest minority, and then cobble together a majority to hold power,

2459
02:10:42,040 --> 02:10:45,320
Speaker 1: you know, using you know, just look at how Netanyahu

2460
02:10:45,760 --> 02:10:50,080
Speaker 1: has held power. He's held power by cobbling together a

2461
02:10:50,080 --> 02:10:54,520
Speaker 1: majority in order to get power in the Knesset even

2462
02:10:54,640 --> 02:10:57,880
Speaker 1: though none of those parties have sort of majority support

2463
02:10:58,160 --> 02:11:01,600
Speaker 1: in the country, right, and so you can you can

2464
02:11:01,680 --> 02:11:07,080
Speaker 1: sort of win small by democratically and have a government

2465
02:11:07,800 --> 02:11:13,240
Speaker 1: that is immediately unpopular with a majority of the country

2466
02:11:13,520 --> 02:11:18,560
Speaker 1: because it's not what a majority of the country voted for. So,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's funny when I grew when I was

2468
02:11:23,880 --> 02:11:26,840
Speaker 1: growing up, I grew up in a household that was

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02:11:27,040 --> 02:11:29,280
Speaker 1: I think i've expressed this, that was, you know, somewhat

2470
02:11:29,320 --> 02:11:32,120
Speaker 1: divided politically. So I grew up in a very bipartisan way,

2471
02:11:32,200 --> 02:11:35,200
Speaker 1: sort of always being shown you know, well at this

2472
02:11:35,240 --> 02:11:38,120
Speaker 1: point of view, that point of view, and I'm always

2473
02:11:38,200 --> 02:11:39,160
Speaker 1: was very thankful of that.

2474
02:11:39,360 --> 02:11:39,560
Speaker 2: You know.

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02:11:39,720 --> 02:11:41,880
Speaker 1: My mother and father in some ways were training me

2476
02:11:41,960 --> 02:11:44,360
Speaker 1: for this job, and I don't think they fully do it,

2477
02:11:46,160 --> 02:11:50,240
Speaker 1: and my father wasn't would occasionally make the argument in

2478
02:11:50,280 --> 02:11:53,800
Speaker 1: favor of a parliamentary system, and he was, you know,

2479
02:11:53,840 --> 02:11:56,560
Speaker 1: he was somebody who was frustrated that Democrats always had

2480
02:11:56,560 --> 02:11:58,760
Speaker 1: control of Congress, even though a majority of the country

2481
02:11:58,840 --> 02:12:04,760
Speaker 1: seemed to prefer sort of you know, more center right politics, right,

2482
02:12:04,800 --> 02:12:06,720
Speaker 1: and that was in an era, right we kept electing

2483
02:12:06,720 --> 02:12:09,879
Speaker 1: Republican presidents because we had the assumption was, well, Democrats

2484
02:12:09,920 --> 02:12:12,480
Speaker 1: always control Congress, and for like forty years it felt

2485
02:12:12,480 --> 02:12:15,200
Speaker 1: like they did that this was just sort of the

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02:12:15,560 --> 02:12:20,040
Speaker 1: permanent majority, and that was the case. I mean in

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02:12:20,760 --> 02:12:22,920
Speaker 1: the eighties, you know, we were in the thirty fifth,

2488
02:12:22,960 --> 02:12:25,800
Speaker 1: thirty six, thirty seventh, thirty eight, forty you know, year

2489
02:12:26,080 --> 02:12:30,200
Speaker 1: of democratic control of the House, and and the six

2490
02:12:30,280 --> 02:12:32,640
Speaker 1: years that Republicans controlled the Senate in the eighties at

2491
02:12:32,640 --> 02:12:34,440
Speaker 1: the time was sort of a I think the first

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02:12:34,440 --> 02:12:40,760
Speaker 1: time that happened in a couple of decades. So, you know,

2493
02:12:40,800 --> 02:12:44,720
Speaker 1: he would occasionally express interest in that. But the older

2494
02:12:44,760 --> 02:12:46,680
Speaker 1: I've gotten and that that article really, you know, I

2495
02:12:48,000 --> 02:12:49,840
Speaker 1: could I could go back and forth.

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02:12:49,880 --> 02:12:52,080
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a.

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Speaker 1: I think the ideal system is more I'd like to

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02:12:55,000 --> 02:13:00,440
Speaker 1: see a four party system in presidential runoffs. I think

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02:13:00,480 --> 02:13:04,480
Speaker 1: the top four system is probably the best of both worlds,

2500
02:13:04,520 --> 02:13:08,920
Speaker 1: where it forces some coalition building right where you'd have

2501
02:13:09,000 --> 02:13:11,440
Speaker 1: the top two party vote getters then meet in a

2502
02:13:11,520 --> 02:13:15,600
Speaker 1: runoff so that somebody wins fifty percent of the presidency.

2503
02:13:16,800 --> 02:13:19,280
Speaker 2: That I think that that's the system.

2504
02:13:19,320 --> 02:13:23,040
Speaker 1: I would want four major parties, top four, you know,

2505
02:13:23,120 --> 02:13:26,040
Speaker 1: and frankly, no other third part you know, no other

2506
02:13:26,360 --> 02:13:30,440
Speaker 1: top four political parties, you know, no independence you'd have

2507
02:13:30,480 --> 02:13:32,120
Speaker 1: to form your own party to get on the ballot.

2508
02:13:32,160 --> 02:13:35,200
Speaker 1: That might be one reform I might include in here,

2509
02:13:35,440 --> 02:13:44,040
Speaker 1: but top four party nominees, you know, essentially, you know,

2510
02:13:44,080 --> 02:13:47,880
Speaker 1: can get major party status in any election cycle, and

2511
02:13:48,240 --> 02:13:50,520
Speaker 1: the top two vote getters meet in the runoff, and

2512
02:13:50,560 --> 02:13:56,160
Speaker 1: then they figure out in a democratic way with the voters,

2513
02:13:56,240 --> 02:13:59,280
Speaker 1: rather than in a back room, smoke filled way that

2514
02:13:59,360 --> 02:14:02,960
Speaker 1: would happen in parliamentary system whose voters you go after

2515
02:14:03,080 --> 02:14:06,000
Speaker 1: to build your coalition. I think you would get the

2516
02:14:06,000 --> 02:14:10,160
Speaker 1: best of what parliamentary systems give you, which is sort

2517
02:14:10,200 --> 02:14:14,440
Speaker 1: of a force of compromise coalition building without the vulnerability

2518
02:14:14,800 --> 02:14:23,040
Speaker 1: of minority authoritarianism. Next question comes from David in Highland Park.

2519
02:14:23,160 --> 02:14:25,320
Speaker 1: All right, hey, check, I'm a longtime fan of yours.

2520
02:14:25,320 --> 02:14:27,360
Speaker 1: Thank you love the podcast. SAW sixteen minutes interview with

2521
02:14:27,400 --> 02:14:29,280
Speaker 1: Dana White on Sunday, and I couldn't help but notice

2522
02:14:29,520 --> 02:14:31,720
Speaker 1: this a couple of weeks ago. Now I'm catching up.

2523
02:14:31,720 --> 02:14:34,680
Speaker 1: I'm trying to catch up on some questions. So my apology,

2524
02:14:35,560 --> 02:14:37,880
Speaker 1: but couldn't help but notice the softness of the questions

2525
02:14:37,880 --> 02:14:39,600
Speaker 1: as well as not asking once about his efforts to

2526
02:14:39,640 --> 02:14:42,000
Speaker 1: change the Muhamad ali ak. Is this a signal that

2527
02:14:42,080 --> 02:14:44,400
Speaker 1: sixty Minutes and CBS are transitioning to a fox stout

2528
02:14:44,400 --> 02:14:46,640
Speaker 1: propaganda machine. Side note, I used to be a sports

2529
02:14:46,640 --> 02:14:49,000
Speaker 1: reporter in Tallahassee and some of the most intense football, baseball,

2530
02:14:49,000 --> 02:14:52,080
Speaker 1: and basketball rivalry games were between Miami and FSU. Yes, sir,

2531
02:14:52,120 --> 02:14:54,640
Speaker 1: they were, That's for sure. I'd almost say the baseball

2532
02:14:54,680 --> 02:14:56,800
Speaker 1: games equal the intense hatred between the two schools on

2533
02:14:56,840 --> 02:14:59,080
Speaker 1: the football field. In your mind, who is Miami's most

2534
02:14:59,080 --> 02:15:02,160
Speaker 1: hated rival? Regardless some sport, keep making these podcasts. Your

2535
02:15:02,240 --> 02:15:07,640
Speaker 1: unique long term optimism means a lot in these uncertain times. Kindly, David, thank.

2536
02:15:07,480 --> 02:15:12,120
Speaker 2: You for that. Yes, look, I think you have to realize.

2537
02:15:11,760 --> 02:15:15,200
Speaker 1: That the data wide interview happened what like one week

2538
02:15:15,240 --> 02:15:22,160
Speaker 1: after Paramount announced a massive investment in UFC rights right

2539
02:15:22,240 --> 02:15:26,160
Speaker 1: for Paramount plus and all of that. So I think, look,

2540
02:15:28,040 --> 02:15:31,320
Speaker 1: I think what's fair to say is on what you're

2541
02:15:31,320 --> 02:15:35,040
Speaker 1: going to see with sixty and this, And I kind

2542
02:15:35,040 --> 02:15:44,120
Speaker 1: of almost want to defend the promotion. As long as

2543
02:15:44,200 --> 02:15:46,320
Speaker 1: sixty minutes can do, it's still going to devote a

2544
02:15:46,320 --> 02:15:49,640
Speaker 1: segment to something hard hitting. You know, you can sort of,

2545
02:15:51,000 --> 02:15:54,920
Speaker 1: you know, you can accept the premise that, hey, corporate

2546
02:15:54,920 --> 02:16:01,760
Speaker 1: overlords want to promote UFC, so here you go, and

2547
02:16:01,800 --> 02:16:02,960
Speaker 1: you can sort of suck.

2548
02:16:02,800 --> 02:16:03,800
Speaker 2: It up and accept it.

2549
02:16:04,080 --> 02:16:05,840
Speaker 1: And by the way, I would argue, sixty minutes is

2550
02:16:05,880 --> 02:16:10,240
Speaker 1: always sort of have They've always preserved one of their

2551
02:16:10,320 --> 02:16:13,960
Speaker 1: pieces for something soft, for sort of a cultural icon.

2552
02:16:14,680 --> 02:16:19,240
Speaker 1: That and and those interviews never have heard any questions.

2553
02:16:19,240 --> 02:16:21,600
Speaker 1: And you can go back to the Mike Wallace days

2554
02:16:21,640 --> 02:16:24,400
Speaker 1: and know that those things existed. Right there was like

2555
02:16:25,040 --> 02:16:28,160
Speaker 1: they would almost have three types of segments, and I

2556
02:16:28,280 --> 02:16:31,320
Speaker 1: suspect that because of the sixty minutes brand, you'll still

2557
02:16:31,320 --> 02:16:33,640
Speaker 1: have this, You'll have one that was basically to service

2558
02:16:33,680 --> 02:16:37,080
Speaker 1: the football viewer, right, so they could they you know,

2559
02:16:37,200 --> 02:16:42,600
Speaker 1: with the sixty minutes is mostly a ratings juggernaut thanks

2560
02:16:42,600 --> 02:16:45,240
Speaker 1: to football, right, you sort of can see the distinction

2561
02:16:45,360 --> 02:16:48,039
Speaker 1: between sixty minutes ratings in the spring versus the fall.

2562
02:16:49,560 --> 02:16:52,120
Speaker 1: But there's always been sort of the tough, hard hitting piece,

2563
02:16:52,920 --> 02:16:57,240
Speaker 1: the think piece, the analytical piece, and then the soft piece,

2564
02:16:57,720 --> 02:17:02,959
Speaker 1: right the entertainment piece. And in sports, they've always kind

2565
02:17:03,000 --> 02:17:07,840
Speaker 1: of been soft. So I understand, I'm not I'm not

2566
02:17:07,920 --> 02:17:13,640
Speaker 1: disputing your observation here. I had the same reaction. And

2567
02:17:13,720 --> 02:17:16,440
Speaker 1: I think Dana White in particular has been a polarizing

2568
02:17:16,440 --> 02:17:20,879
Speaker 1: figure and probably deserves some questioning in a in a

2569
02:17:20,879 --> 02:17:24,600
Speaker 1: straight news setting, and you're not. And unfortunately it was

2570
02:17:24,600 --> 02:17:27,520
Speaker 1: pretty clear that in that first week of Paramount Control,

2571
02:17:27,920 --> 02:17:32,680
Speaker 1: sixty wasn't going to do that. I'm guessing there's you know,

2572
02:17:32,879 --> 02:17:36,080
Speaker 1: it's Dana White's not the prime minister of a country,

2573
02:17:36,120 --> 02:17:38,160
Speaker 1: and he's not a US senator, and he's not a governor.

2574
02:17:38,200 --> 02:17:41,480
Speaker 1: So it is it is, you know. I also don't

2575
02:17:41,480 --> 02:17:43,640
Speaker 1: know if you know, if you're if we're going to

2576
02:17:43,640 --> 02:17:47,400
Speaker 1: totally hammer them for this. Do I wish they did

2577
02:17:47,400 --> 02:17:50,520
Speaker 1: a little accountability with him. I do with Brian Gumbel

2578
02:17:50,640 --> 02:17:52,440
Speaker 1: and real sport. I mean, but there's a reason real

2579
02:17:52,480 --> 02:17:56,039
Speaker 1: sports existed even in the era of sixty minutes, because

2580
02:17:56,040 --> 02:17:58,640
Speaker 1: sixty minutes never did sports in a hard any way,

2581
02:17:59,400 --> 02:18:03,480
Speaker 1: Real Sport and my friend Brian Gumble, that was another story, right,

2582
02:18:03,959 --> 02:18:07,040
Speaker 1: they'd have done a piece on Dana White that that

2583
02:18:07,920 --> 02:18:11,240
Speaker 1: that would have that would have either included him or

2584
02:18:11,280 --> 02:18:14,640
Speaker 1: not included him. But that might have been And by

2585
02:18:14,680 --> 02:18:18,320
Speaker 1: the way, I miss Real Sports and Bryant. If anyone

2586
02:18:18,640 --> 02:18:23,040
Speaker 1: gets this to you, man, just thinking about you, hang

2587
02:18:23,200 --> 02:18:28,240
Speaker 1: hang in there. But that was you know, I think

2588
02:18:28,240 --> 02:18:32,560
Speaker 1: Brian Gumble is one of the last great sports journalists

2589
02:18:32,560 --> 02:18:35,760
Speaker 1: on that on that on that run. If you will

2590
02:18:36,520 --> 02:18:42,920
Speaker 1: ask for Miami's most hated rival, I don't hate Florida State.

2591
02:18:44,480 --> 02:18:46,040
Speaker 1: And it's not just because I'm married to a Florida

2592
02:18:46,040 --> 02:18:49,560
Speaker 1: State alum. This was true even before, Right, It's what

2593
02:18:49,720 --> 02:18:53,520
Speaker 1: made my family accept the Florida State alum and why

2594
02:18:53,600 --> 02:18:58,400
Speaker 1: her family accepted a Miami fan because it's a sibling.

2595
02:18:58,520 --> 02:18:59,760
Speaker 1: Florida State has always been a sibling.

2596
02:18:59,840 --> 02:19:00,000
Speaker 3: Right.

2597
02:19:01,120 --> 02:19:04,520
Speaker 1: The heated rivalry for Miami's is basically for me and

2598
02:19:04,560 --> 02:19:07,000
Speaker 1: my childhood is Notre Dame. But that was more of

2599
02:19:07,080 --> 02:19:09,800
Speaker 1: we were like, screw Notre Dame. Right, We were not

2600
02:19:09,800 --> 02:19:12,160
Speaker 1: Notre Dame's biggest rival, but we felt Notre Dame was ours.

2601
02:19:12,600 --> 02:19:15,120
Speaker 1: And it's the same with Florida. So the hatred is

2602
02:19:15,120 --> 02:19:19,400
Speaker 1: for the Gators and Notre Dame. But I'll even admit

2603
02:19:19,600 --> 02:19:23,480
Speaker 1: my hatred for Notre Dame is softened with Marcus Freeman

2604
02:19:23,640 --> 02:19:27,080
Speaker 1: ause I just think he's a stand up dude, and

2605
02:19:27,160 --> 02:19:29,680
Speaker 1: I think that there's less arrogance to the team. Right,

2606
02:19:29,920 --> 02:19:33,480
Speaker 1: Lou Holtz plus Notre Dame. I mean, you couldn't have

2607
02:19:33,520 --> 02:19:38,920
Speaker 1: come up with an easier sort of villain to deal with.

2608
02:19:39,160 --> 02:19:42,520
Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, Steve Spurrier and Florida combo

2609
02:19:42,600 --> 02:19:44,959
Speaker 1: platter was a good set of villains for me. And

2610
02:19:45,040 --> 02:19:47,920
Speaker 1: throw an urban Meyer and Florida was a good combo

2611
02:19:47,959 --> 02:19:50,520
Speaker 1: platter for that. You know, there's never even been a

2612
02:19:50,640 --> 02:19:52,840
Speaker 1: coach pairing with Florida State that says, oh, what a

2613
02:19:52,959 --> 02:19:53,720
Speaker 1: jerk coach?

2614
02:19:54,400 --> 02:19:54,640
Speaker 2: You know.

2615
02:19:54,760 --> 02:19:56,680
Speaker 1: Do I think what Jimbo did to them was a

2616
02:19:56,760 --> 02:19:59,600
Speaker 1: jerky move? Yes, I don't think he was a jerk

2617
02:19:59,640 --> 02:20:07,160
Speaker 1: coach on that front. So I think Look, the ESPN

2618
02:20:07,240 --> 02:20:10,280
Speaker 1: archives will tell you. I think who Miami's you know,

2619
02:20:11,000 --> 02:20:14,920
Speaker 1: most hated rival is. For a certain generation of Miami fans,

2620
02:20:16,200 --> 02:20:18,359
Speaker 1: it's those boys from South Bend.

2621
02:20:18,640 --> 02:20:19,280
Speaker 2: That's for sure.

2622
02:20:20,320 --> 02:20:21,920
Speaker 1: All Right, I'm gonna do one more question here and

2623
02:20:21,920 --> 02:20:26,160
Speaker 1: then we'll just in college football. Gillian F. Frights, Hey, Chuck,

2624
02:20:26,200 --> 02:20:28,160
Speaker 1: I was listening to your podcast on the treadmill this morning.

2625
02:20:28,840 --> 02:20:30,760
Speaker 1: Had to write in, I share your belief that political

2626
02:20:30,840 --> 02:20:32,640
Speaker 1: violence is no place in America, but I disagree that

2627
02:20:32,680 --> 02:20:35,280
Speaker 1: it's equally fueled by all sides. I never said it

2628
02:20:35,320 --> 02:20:37,960
Speaker 1: was equally fueled by all sides in reference. In fact,

2629
02:20:38,000 --> 02:20:41,320
Speaker 1: that's been my frustration from my view, the rhetoric and

2630
02:20:41,640 --> 02:20:44,480
Speaker 1: in action on gun violence coming from the right, epitomized

2631
02:20:44,480 --> 02:20:47,200
Speaker 1: by Charlie Kirk's comments about accepting gun violence to protect

2632
02:20:47,200 --> 02:20:50,440
Speaker 1: the Second Amendment, drive much of today's dangers. His racist

2633
02:20:50,440 --> 02:20:52,680
Speaker 1: and homophobic remarks like saying black women lack the brain

2634
02:20:52,720 --> 02:20:55,640
Speaker 1: power to be taken seriously, make that hypocrisy even starker.

2635
02:20:55,640 --> 02:20:57,400
Speaker 1: As a pre k teacher and mother of an adopted

2636
02:20:57,400 --> 02:20:59,960
Speaker 1: black daughter, I find it infuriating, especially when those same

2637
02:21:00,120 --> 02:21:01,560
Speaker 1: voices hide behind Christianity.

2638
02:21:01,600 --> 02:21:03,480
Speaker 2: I appreciate the pod, Jane.

2639
02:21:03,320 --> 02:21:03,400
Speaker 3: I.

2640
02:21:05,040 --> 02:21:08,480
Speaker 1: Don't you know I'm not gonna first of all your

2641
02:21:09,400 --> 02:21:16,080
Speaker 1: concern I get it, and I share it. My point

2642
02:21:16,120 --> 02:21:20,760
Speaker 1: on all this is trying to trying to win the debate.

2643
02:21:20,840 --> 02:21:23,760
Speaker 1: That one side does this more than the other is

2644
02:21:23,800 --> 02:21:27,400
Speaker 1: an unwinnable debate because it just it's no way to

2645
02:21:27,440 --> 02:21:30,160
Speaker 1: get anything done. Like you're going to have to if

2646
02:21:30,160 --> 02:21:32,840
Speaker 1: you want to get a larger focus on this issue,

2647
02:21:33,480 --> 02:21:36,840
Speaker 1: you're going to have to let someone think, well, they're

2648
02:21:36,879 --> 02:21:39,200
Speaker 1: going more than halfway, so I'll meet them there and

2649
02:21:39,280 --> 02:21:39,880
Speaker 1: vice versa.

2650
02:21:40,160 --> 02:21:44,280
Speaker 2: It just you sort of have to you have to.

2651
02:21:45,440 --> 02:21:46,879
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter.

2652
02:21:46,640 --> 02:21:52,280
Speaker 1: If it's thirty sixty or sixty thirty. If everybody's going

2653
02:21:52,360 --> 02:21:54,280
Speaker 1: to come to the table, there has to almost be

2654
02:21:54,400 --> 02:21:56,840
Speaker 1: this sort of Okay, we're all going to admit some

2655
02:21:57,040 --> 02:21:59,920
Speaker 1: fault here, but we're all secretly going to believe the

2656
02:22:00,000 --> 02:22:02,080
Speaker 1: other sides more at fault. But we're gonna we're gonna

2657
02:22:02,120 --> 02:22:04,720
Speaker 1: we're gonna stop that part of the argument and accept

2658
02:22:04,720 --> 02:22:06,600
Speaker 1: the premise that we've got to turn the temperature down.

2659
02:22:06,959 --> 02:22:10,800
Speaker 1: So that's that's, you know, my nuanced way of trying

2660
02:22:10,800 --> 02:22:13,800
Speaker 1: to go about this, like trying to say, you know,

2661
02:22:13,879 --> 02:22:17,680
Speaker 1: trying to own a moment that's terrible, particularly when it

2662
02:22:17,959 --> 02:22:20,199
Speaker 1: you know, came from one side, you know, did come

2663
02:22:20,240 --> 02:22:23,000
Speaker 1: from from you know, this person was inspired. You know,

2664
02:22:23,879 --> 02:22:27,680
Speaker 1: there's enough political violence inspired by the left and the

2665
02:22:27,800 --> 02:22:31,760
Speaker 1: right to say there's a problem on both sides is

2666
02:22:31,800 --> 02:22:36,440
Speaker 1: it equal. It's never equal. There's moments in time that

2667
02:22:36,440 --> 02:22:39,280
Speaker 1: that one rises more than the other. It's never equal.

2668
02:22:40,080 --> 02:22:44,720
Speaker 1: But it is very reactionary and violence always is met

2669
02:22:44,760 --> 02:22:47,520
Speaker 1: with more violence, and so we have to stop. And

2670
02:22:47,560 --> 02:22:52,080
Speaker 1: we could probably agree that, you know I do. I

2671
02:22:52,080 --> 02:22:55,039
Speaker 1: I think Donald Trump is responsible for the atmosphere. I

2672
02:22:55,040 --> 02:22:59,000
Speaker 1: think he creates the political weather. That does not mean

2673
02:22:59,480 --> 02:23:04,720
Speaker 1: somebody that's inspired to violence on the left while due

2674
02:23:04,720 --> 02:23:07,720
Speaker 1: to the weather that Donald Trump is created, that that

2675
02:23:07,760 --> 02:23:10,480
Speaker 1: person that we should blame Trump for that for that

2676
02:23:10,640 --> 02:23:15,120
Speaker 1: person on the left's actions, No, the person on the

2677
02:23:15,160 --> 02:23:17,480
Speaker 1: left actions are who responsible for that action?

2678
02:23:17,760 --> 02:23:19,320
Speaker 2: Anyway?

2679
02:23:19,440 --> 02:23:22,600
Speaker 1: I hope that gives a little more clarity to what

2680
02:23:22,840 --> 02:23:28,800
Speaker 1: the argument I'm trying to make and why it's not

2681
02:23:28,920 --> 02:23:31,600
Speaker 1: about whether I am not. And this is where people

2682
02:23:31,840 --> 02:23:35,840
Speaker 1: people sometimes with this both sides stuff it is they

2683
02:23:35,959 --> 02:23:39,360
Speaker 1: use it as a way to compartmentalize and ignore the

2684
02:23:39,400 --> 02:23:43,760
Speaker 1: times where maybe an ally isn't behaving correctly. And I

2685
02:23:43,760 --> 02:23:47,680
Speaker 1: think that's that's our problem right now in our polarized system.

2686
02:23:47,760 --> 02:23:50,080
Speaker 1: The left doesn't police the left and the right doesn't

2687
02:23:50,080 --> 02:23:52,760
Speaker 1: police the right. The right only wants to police the left,

2688
02:23:52,879 --> 02:23:55,640
Speaker 1: and the left only wants to police the right, and

2689
02:23:55,800 --> 02:23:59,920
Speaker 1: until we get out of that cycle, we're going.

2690
02:23:59,920 --> 02:24:01,760
Speaker 2: To be stuck in this place that we're stuck in.

2691
02:24:12,160 --> 02:24:13,959
Speaker 2: I'd be remiss if I didn't.

2692
02:24:15,200 --> 02:24:17,960
Speaker 1: Admit that I'm now two days removed from that eighteen

2693
02:24:18,000 --> 02:24:20,000
Speaker 1: inning game, and I still feel like I haven't recovered

2694
02:24:21,400 --> 02:24:25,840
Speaker 1: from enough sleep. I fell asleep between innings twelve. Sort of,

2695
02:24:26,680 --> 02:24:30,960
Speaker 1: I sort of woke up when Kershaw survived it got

2696
02:24:31,000 --> 02:24:33,120
Speaker 1: out of the inning. I didn't see him come in.

2697
02:24:33,320 --> 02:24:37,400
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, Kershaw's pitching, but he survived the inning.

2698
02:24:38,080 --> 02:24:44,320
Speaker 1: And then I kept watching that game, and you know,

2699
02:24:45,280 --> 02:24:48,120
Speaker 1: it was interesting. I was listening to somebody, somebody who

2700
02:24:48,160 --> 02:24:50,520
Speaker 1: talked about being at that game. You know, when you're

2701
02:24:50,520 --> 02:24:53,039
Speaker 1: at a game like that, you don't actually know some

2702
02:24:53,160 --> 02:24:55,800
Speaker 1: of the little things that's going on. I mean, I

2703
02:24:56,320 --> 02:24:59,360
Speaker 1: was mesmerized in the eighteenth by the fact that Yamamoto

2704
02:25:00,200 --> 02:25:02,240
Speaker 1: warming up to come in in the nineteenth and Shane

2705
02:25:02,320 --> 02:25:05,200
Speaker 1: Bieber was stretching to get ready to warm up to

2706
02:25:05,200 --> 02:25:09,640
Speaker 1: come into the nineteenth. So as a as a baseball fan,

2707
02:25:09,680 --> 02:25:11,800
Speaker 1: I was sort of kind of rooting for the nineteenth inning,

2708
02:25:12,080 --> 02:25:13,520
Speaker 1: But then all of a sudden, it was two forty

2709
02:25:13,520 --> 02:25:14,720
Speaker 1: five e straight time and I was like, man, I

2710
02:25:15,000 --> 02:25:17,199
Speaker 1: couldn't fall asleep. But anyway, it was just a mess

2711
02:25:18,080 --> 02:25:18,720
Speaker 1: on that front.

2712
02:25:18,760 --> 02:25:21,840
Speaker 2: But I know some of you have known me a

2713
02:25:21,879 --> 02:25:22,440
Speaker 2: long time ago.

2714
02:25:22,760 --> 02:25:25,200
Speaker 1: Aren't you a Rabbit Dodger fan? You know, aren't you

2715
02:25:25,400 --> 02:25:28,440
Speaker 1: excited about this? And you know the rise of the Gnats,

2716
02:25:28,920 --> 02:25:33,760
Speaker 1: My son's love of the Nats really has I've, you know,

2717
02:25:33,920 --> 02:25:35,280
Speaker 1: so the first time I've lived in a city with

2718
02:25:35,320 --> 02:25:37,640
Speaker 1: a major League team. So I'm I'm more Nats fan,

2719
02:25:37,720 --> 02:25:39,240
Speaker 1: you know, the Dodgers of the team of my youth.

2720
02:25:39,600 --> 02:25:42,640
Speaker 1: I still collect Dodger paraphernalia from my youth and even

2721
02:25:42,680 --> 02:25:45,840
Speaker 1: further back. You know, I'm a Roy Campanella collector because

2722
02:25:45,879 --> 02:25:49,960
Speaker 1: that was my dad's favorite player. I collect any cool,

2723
02:25:50,800 --> 02:25:54,760
Speaker 1: affordable pieces I can get, Jackie Robinson and Don Newcombe.

2724
02:25:55,120 --> 02:25:57,600
Speaker 1: I just love those, those those early Dodger players, and

2725
02:25:57,640 --> 02:26:01,240
Speaker 1: of course all things Sandy Kofax. You know, us Jewish Americans,

2726
02:26:01,800 --> 02:26:05,640
Speaker 1: we love our avatar in Sandy, if you will. So

2727
02:26:06,760 --> 02:26:11,840
Speaker 1: I still sort of glorify the past. My greatest memory

2728
02:26:12,480 --> 02:26:15,040
Speaker 1: as a Dodger fans the eighty eight World Series. Watching

2729
02:26:15,520 --> 02:26:18,000
Speaker 1: watching the Dodgers win that World Series with my dad

2730
02:26:18,000 --> 02:26:22,280
Speaker 1: on his deathbed, but he did get to see the

2731
02:26:22,320 --> 02:26:26,360
Speaker 1: Dodgers winning win that World Series from there, so it

2732
02:26:26,400 --> 02:26:29,879
Speaker 1: is there is so much and so I will always

2733
02:26:29,959 --> 02:26:33,560
Speaker 1: root for the Dodgers as my second team. But as

2734
02:26:33,600 --> 02:26:36,800
Speaker 1: I learned during the NATS playoff run of the teams,

2735
02:26:37,600 --> 02:26:39,480
Speaker 1: whenever they were matchup with the Dodgers, I wanted the

2736
02:26:39,560 --> 02:26:42,280
Speaker 1: Nets to win. So I knew that the switch had

2737
02:26:42,280 --> 02:26:46,960
Speaker 1: been the switch had been complete. But wow, is it

2738
02:26:47,000 --> 02:26:50,119
Speaker 1: so much fun to watch Otani play baseball. I mean,

2739
02:26:50,280 --> 02:26:55,400
Speaker 1: it's just unbelievable. Five walks, nine reached base nine times

2740
02:26:55,400 --> 02:26:58,040
Speaker 1: in one game, four for four and it's not even

2741
02:26:58,080 --> 02:27:00,000
Speaker 1: the best game that he played this postseason.

2742
02:27:00,320 --> 02:27:05,240
Speaker 2: It's just astonishing. Is it is awesome when great players

2743
02:27:05,320 --> 02:27:09,480
Speaker 2: are great in big moments, It's just awesome, right, It's

2744
02:27:09,640 --> 02:27:13,000
Speaker 2: amazing when they step up in great moments, right, Like

2745
02:27:13,040 --> 02:27:15,360
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, I'll tell you when I finally

2746
02:27:15,400 --> 02:27:17,879
Speaker 2: sort of got over my sort of denial that Brady

2747
02:27:18,000 --> 02:27:19,640
Speaker 2: was great and it was the twenty eighth to three

2748
02:27:19,640 --> 02:27:21,680
Speaker 2: Super Bowl, You're like, the dude did it in a

2749
02:27:21,760 --> 02:27:24,680
Speaker 2: Super Bowl, right, something like that at a Super Bowl? Right?

2750
02:27:24,680 --> 02:27:28,520
Speaker 1: You just when great players are great in big moments,

2751
02:27:28,840 --> 02:27:29,760
Speaker 1: it's there's.

2752
02:27:29,560 --> 02:27:30,400
Speaker 2: Nothing like it.

2753
02:27:30,400 --> 02:27:32,760
Speaker 1: It's just a joy to watch as a sports fan,

2754
02:27:33,120 --> 02:27:34,720
Speaker 1: even if it's for a team you're not rooting for.

2755
02:27:35,040 --> 02:27:37,080
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about this weekend in college football,

2756
02:27:37,080 --> 02:27:40,760
Speaker 1: because guess what, I'm about to go see my beloved

2757
02:27:40,760 --> 02:27:43,240
Speaker 1: Miami Hurricanes in person for the fourth time this year.

2758
02:27:43,680 --> 02:27:45,800
Speaker 1: Went to the Notre Dame game, went to the Florida game,

2759
02:27:45,879 --> 02:27:48,520
Speaker 1: went to the Florida State game, going to the SMU game.

2760
02:27:48,920 --> 02:27:52,440
Speaker 1: Close Listeners' podcast know, I now have a divided family.

2761
02:27:52,560 --> 02:27:57,039
Speaker 1: I my mother, my kid's grandmother, tried to get the

2762
02:27:57,800 --> 02:28:00,600
Speaker 1: tried to get a Miami SMU half an half shirt,

2763
02:28:01,360 --> 02:28:04,760
Speaker 1: and she the companies she's tried so far claimed that

2764
02:28:04,800 --> 02:28:09,119
Speaker 1: they don't have the copyrights to do that. I'd love

2765
02:28:09,200 --> 02:28:11,879
Speaker 1: some advice from any of you on how to do

2766
02:28:12,040 --> 02:28:16,560
Speaker 1: those divided loyalty shirts, because I can tell you I

2767
02:28:16,640 --> 02:28:19,680
Speaker 1: have a mother and grandmother who would both like to

2768
02:28:19,720 --> 02:28:23,600
Speaker 1: be wearing Miami some sort of joint Miami SMU. It's

2769
02:28:23,640 --> 02:28:28,880
Speaker 1: not the most requested dual jersey type things out there.

2770
02:28:28,959 --> 02:28:32,959
Speaker 1: They're probably there are Miami Florida State divided loyalties. Those exist.

2771
02:28:33,760 --> 02:28:36,800
Speaker 1: I'm guessing the big Miami Florida State SMU ones are

2772
02:28:36,840 --> 02:28:39,640
Speaker 1: harder to come by, but if anybody has advice on

2773
02:28:39,720 --> 02:28:41,160
Speaker 1: how to do that, I would love to have it.

2774
02:28:41,200 --> 02:28:45,200
Speaker 1: So I will be seeing SMU in person there. I'm

2775
02:28:45,200 --> 02:28:49,119
Speaker 1: not gonna lie little concerned, not as concerned as I was.

2776
02:28:49,080 --> 02:28:50,160
Speaker 2: Going into the Louisville game.

2777
02:28:51,040 --> 02:28:54,360
Speaker 1: But this is Miami's first road game out of the UH,

2778
02:28:56,400 --> 02:28:58,080
Speaker 1: out of the state of Florida, believe it or not,

2779
02:28:58,200 --> 02:28:59,959
Speaker 1: first time they have traveled outside the state of flo

2780
02:29:00,600 --> 02:29:02,680
Speaker 1: This is a small stadium, but this is going to

2781
02:29:02,680 --> 02:29:04,960
Speaker 1: be an excited SMU fan base.

2782
02:29:05,640 --> 02:29:06,560
Speaker 2: It's a good thing for.

2783
02:29:06,560 --> 02:29:08,680
Speaker 1: Miami that this is a day game, not a night game.

2784
02:29:08,920 --> 02:29:10,959
Speaker 1: I think this would be a much tougher atmosphere if

2785
02:29:10,959 --> 02:29:13,880
Speaker 1: this were at night there. But I'm looking forward just

2786
02:29:13,920 --> 02:29:17,600
Speaker 1: my first in person SMU football game, if you will,

2787
02:29:17,640 --> 02:29:20,440
Speaker 1: so looking forward to that. That should be fun. I

2788
02:29:20,480 --> 02:29:22,600
Speaker 1: do wish SMU had won last week because then I

2789
02:29:22,600 --> 02:29:25,119
Speaker 1: think it would make this game a little bit bigger.

2790
02:29:25,240 --> 02:29:27,080
Speaker 1: The game would have probably been later in the afternoon,

2791
02:29:27,120 --> 02:29:28,959
Speaker 1: maybe even at night, and oh, by the way, game

2792
02:29:29,000 --> 02:29:31,600
Speaker 1: day might have been there. In fact, I think game day.

2793
02:29:32,080 --> 02:29:35,680
Speaker 1: Can you imagine, like they assumed Penn State, Ohio State

2794
02:29:35,720 --> 02:29:38,320
Speaker 1: would be where they would go or maybe Miami SMU.

2795
02:29:38,840 --> 02:29:43,359
Speaker 1: I think they're out West, They're doing Utah, Cincinnati. Anyway,

2796
02:29:44,360 --> 02:29:48,640
Speaker 1: we shall see. But I think the most important thing

2797
02:29:48,720 --> 02:29:52,119
Speaker 1: is is there any coach that gets fired this week

2798
02:29:52,360 --> 02:29:56,640
Speaker 1: for performance? Or are we done with all the fired

2799
02:29:56,720 --> 02:29:57,600
Speaker 1: coach games?

2800
02:29:57,760 --> 02:29:57,960
Speaker 2: Right?

2801
02:29:58,560 --> 02:30:01,800
Speaker 1: I guess the only coach that might be on the

2802
02:30:01,800 --> 02:30:03,800
Speaker 1: hot seat before the end of the season at this

2803
02:30:03,879 --> 02:30:07,240
Speaker 1: point is Luke Thickle at Wisconsin, but he has you know,

2804
02:30:07,320 --> 02:30:10,760
Speaker 1: been shut out and back to back games. Frankly, played

2805
02:30:10,760 --> 02:30:13,440
Speaker 1: a slightly better game against Oregon than I think many

2806
02:30:13,440 --> 02:30:17,520
Speaker 1: people expected last week. He's probably the only in person,

2807
02:30:17,760 --> 02:30:20,000
Speaker 1: the only coach left that could get at least in

2808
02:30:20,040 --> 02:30:25,600
Speaker 1: the power for that could get candled. Though, what happens

2809
02:30:25,600 --> 02:30:29,480
Speaker 1: if Brent Benables loses two of the next three games

2810
02:30:30,040 --> 02:30:33,680
Speaker 1: just something to think about in Oklahoma. But anyway, so

2811
02:30:33,680 --> 02:30:35,879
Speaker 1: we got the big Miami SMU game. Other than that,

2812
02:30:35,959 --> 02:30:39,360
Speaker 1: I think that you know the playoff implication games. Mimi

2813
02:30:39,440 --> 02:30:41,840
Speaker 1: SMU is one of them, right. The third loss for

2814
02:30:41,959 --> 02:30:47,400
Speaker 1: SMU eliminates them, right, and they're basically they have a

2815
02:30:47,560 --> 02:30:50,800
Speaker 1: very narrow path at the ACC title game. But it

2816
02:30:50,800 --> 02:30:54,680
Speaker 1: does seem unreal and I'm really curious, right, three loss

2817
02:30:54,760 --> 02:31:01,000
Speaker 1: teams this week, who maybe had visions of of making

2818
02:31:01,040 --> 02:31:04,800
Speaker 1: the playoff? How do they perform right? How does an

2819
02:31:04,920 --> 02:31:09,800
Speaker 1: LSU perform? I just just very curious on those front.

2820
02:31:09,879 --> 02:31:10,800
Speaker 2: So anyway, the.

2821
02:31:10,720 --> 02:31:14,840
Speaker 1: Playoff oflmitigation games Vanderbilt Texas. Right, if Vanderbilt beats Texas

2822
02:31:15,680 --> 02:31:19,680
Speaker 1: backup quarterbacks starting this week at Texas, what happens if.

2823
02:31:19,560 --> 02:31:30,359
Speaker 2: Backup quarterback does well? Anyway? As a gambler, Texas underdog?

2824
02:31:30,920 --> 02:31:31,800
Speaker 2: Are they an underdog?

2825
02:31:31,800 --> 02:31:33,160
Speaker 1: I think they're going to be a slight favored by

2826
02:31:33,200 --> 02:31:36,680
Speaker 1: game time and kickoff. Look, Vanderbilt wins this one and

2827
02:31:36,760 --> 02:31:39,959
Speaker 1: I think they lock a playoff spot. Vanderbilt loses this

2828
02:31:40,000 --> 02:31:42,920
Speaker 1: one and they may not, I don't you know. Then

2829
02:31:42,959 --> 02:31:45,000
Speaker 1: they have to win out. And I do think if

2830
02:31:45,000 --> 02:31:47,120
Speaker 1: they went out, which would mean a victory over Tennessee

2831
02:31:47,200 --> 02:31:50,200
Speaker 1: they attended to, Vanderbilt does get into the playoff, but

2832
02:31:50,320 --> 02:31:51,840
Speaker 1: nine and three Vanderbilt doesn't.

2833
02:31:52,000 --> 02:31:52,560
Speaker 2: At this point.

2834
02:31:52,640 --> 02:31:56,080
Speaker 1: So and certainly for Texas, this is a playoff elimination game,

2835
02:31:57,000 --> 02:31:57,959
Speaker 1: and they can they have.

2836
02:31:57,959 --> 02:31:58,760
Speaker 2: The schedule to win out.

2837
02:31:58,800 --> 02:32:00,440
Speaker 1: Now they have to play Georgia and am Now I

2838
02:32:00,440 --> 02:32:02,320
Speaker 1: only anybody thinks they're going to win both those games.

2839
02:32:02,760 --> 02:32:05,400
Speaker 1: But guess what when they were preseason number one ranked

2840
02:32:05,400 --> 02:32:07,000
Speaker 1: team in the country. I think there was some assumption

2841
02:32:07,080 --> 02:32:11,720
Speaker 1: that they they could and so in the Texas defense

2842
02:32:11,800 --> 02:32:14,800
Speaker 1: is pretty good. Point is Vanderbelt Texas. They gets a

2843
02:32:14,800 --> 02:32:19,439
Speaker 1: playoff elimination game. The other playoff elimination game is probably

2844
02:32:21,080 --> 02:32:26,080
Speaker 1: Oklahoma Tennessee. Certainly a third loss for either team, and

2845
02:32:26,120 --> 02:32:30,000
Speaker 1: that's it, right, That's that's done. There's no I don't

2846
02:32:30,000 --> 02:32:32,120
Speaker 1: think we're seeing a three loss team get into this

2847
02:32:32,160 --> 02:32:35,440
Speaker 1: playoff win the first three loss team that isn't a

2848
02:32:35,480 --> 02:32:38,360
Speaker 1: conference champion, because we've had that with Clemson, but a

2849
02:32:38,360 --> 02:32:42,560
Speaker 1: three loss team at large that gets into the playoff,

2850
02:32:43,120 --> 02:32:45,359
Speaker 1: it will be an SEC team and it will be Alabama,

2851
02:32:45,480 --> 02:32:45,920
Speaker 1: Notre Dame.

2852
02:32:46,400 --> 02:32:47,440
Speaker 2: Those are right now.

2853
02:32:47,520 --> 02:32:51,080
Speaker 1: I think the only two programs that the ESPN Invitational

2854
02:32:51,440 --> 02:32:55,160
Speaker 1: because it is and I know, you know, my friends

2855
02:32:55,160 --> 02:32:57,280
Speaker 1: at ESPN don't like when I want I refer to that,

2856
02:32:57,920 --> 02:33:01,400
Speaker 1: but it's it's hard. You know, we know that that

2857
02:33:01,640 --> 02:33:08,119
Speaker 1: stuff matters. Okay, that stuff matters because if it were

2858
02:33:08,160 --> 02:33:09,560
Speaker 1: straight metrics, they'd tell us.

2859
02:33:09,440 --> 02:33:11,680
Speaker 2: It was straight metrics, and it is not. Right.

2860
02:33:11,720 --> 02:33:15,160
Speaker 1: There's there's enough leeway there in order to find ways

2861
02:33:15,959 --> 02:33:18,800
Speaker 1: to make sure you find ways to to get bigger

2862
02:33:18,840 --> 02:33:23,040
Speaker 1: programs into this thing. So sorry, Vanderbilt, you're not going

2863
02:33:23,120 --> 02:33:25,640
Speaker 1: to be the first three loss SEC team to crack

2864
02:33:25,640 --> 02:33:30,080
Speaker 1: the playoffs. So playoff elimination game there, playoff elimination game

2865
02:33:30,200 --> 02:33:37,680
Speaker 1: Oklahoma Tennessee and technically I think Cincinnati Utah USC Nebraska

2866
02:33:37,760 --> 02:33:40,080
Speaker 1: are both playoff elimination games. But you have to believe

2867
02:33:40,080 --> 02:33:43,960
Speaker 1: that USC Nebraska are are somehow realistic. If the winner

2868
02:33:43,959 --> 02:33:46,960
Speaker 1: of this game could win, could win out now they

2869
02:33:47,000 --> 02:33:50,720
Speaker 1: both could, And that's the point. Big ten and SEC.

2870
02:33:51,959 --> 02:33:54,480
Speaker 1: You know, ten and two Big ten teams we're going

2871
02:33:54,520 --> 02:33:56,800
Speaker 1: to are going to get strong consideration, and ten and

2872
02:33:56,840 --> 02:33:58,880
Speaker 1: two SEC teams are almost all going to get in.

2873
02:33:59,360 --> 02:34:02,320
Speaker 1: And USC Nebraska still technically can both become ten and

2874
02:34:02,360 --> 02:34:05,600
Speaker 1: two teams. So loser, though, you know you're out. So

2875
02:34:05,640 --> 02:34:09,520
Speaker 1: that's why pay attention to that. And Cincinnati Utah, right,

2876
02:34:09,560 --> 02:34:11,680
Speaker 1: the loser of this game is going to not be

2877
02:34:11,720 --> 02:34:14,039
Speaker 1: able to get to that Big twelve title game, but

2878
02:34:14,120 --> 02:34:16,480
Speaker 1: the winner is gonna I think the winner is still

2879
02:34:16,480 --> 02:34:20,080
Speaker 1: going to feel alive. So I have to say this

2880
02:34:20,120 --> 02:34:22,520
Speaker 1: is where I love the addition of this playoff, and

2881
02:34:22,560 --> 02:34:25,480
Speaker 1: I'm all for making sixteen team shoot. I like the

2882
02:34:25,520 --> 02:34:27,600
Speaker 1: twenty four and twenty eight team idea that the Big

2883
02:34:27,640 --> 02:34:30,760
Speaker 1: ten through a round. Actually I could get behind that

2884
02:34:31,600 --> 02:34:33,800
Speaker 1: idea because I think you could actually make it a

2885
02:34:33,800 --> 02:34:37,240
Speaker 1: little more metric based and keep the ESPN TV executives

2886
02:34:37,240 --> 02:34:40,560
Speaker 1: out of the decision making process. But the point is

2887
02:34:40,920 --> 02:34:45,320
Speaker 1: this expanded playoff means we have essentially playoff games. Look, Miami,

2888
02:34:45,520 --> 02:34:49,320
Speaker 1: I would argue, sorry Miami to say this. Do I

2889
02:34:49,360 --> 02:34:51,400
Speaker 1: think AT ten and two Miami team should have been

2890
02:34:51,440 --> 02:34:52,320
Speaker 1: invited last year?

2891
02:34:52,400 --> 02:34:55,000
Speaker 2: Yes? Should AT ten into Miami team probably get invited

2892
02:34:55,040 --> 02:34:59,920
Speaker 2: this year? Yes? Will they No? Not unless it's Miami

2893
02:35:00,080 --> 02:35:02,040
Speaker 2: Notre Dame for the last two slots, and then they'd

2894
02:35:02,080 --> 02:35:03,920
Speaker 2: have to give it to Miami since Miami beat Notre Dame.

2895
02:35:04,440 --> 02:35:09,840
Speaker 1: But I think Miami has to operate on the one

2896
02:35:09,879 --> 02:35:13,360
Speaker 1: loss mindset and that every game now is a playoff game.

2897
02:35:14,160 --> 02:35:17,160
Speaker 1: And this is the real test for me with Mario

2898
02:35:17,400 --> 02:35:20,240
Speaker 1: and this staff, which is and this team is do

2899
02:35:20,280 --> 02:35:24,000
Speaker 1: you have these team mentally prepared to realize that every

2900
02:35:24,000 --> 02:35:27,120
Speaker 1: game is an elimination game going forward? There can't be

2901
02:35:27,160 --> 02:35:31,840
Speaker 1: any slip ups. I was sorry to see Shannon Dawson

2902
02:35:31,920 --> 02:35:36,640
Speaker 1: take the bait of some straightforward media questions about about

2903
02:35:36,720 --> 02:35:39,520
Speaker 1: run calls, the play calling on the run side of things.

2904
02:35:40,680 --> 02:35:43,280
Speaker 1: Never let them see your sweat, Shannon, You've been pretty

2905
02:35:43,280 --> 02:35:44,560
Speaker 1: smart about that going forward.

2906
02:35:44,600 --> 02:35:45,880
Speaker 2: Don't do it. Don't do it.

2907
02:35:46,520 --> 02:35:49,240
Speaker 1: You never win a debate with crazy fan boards, so

2908
02:35:49,320 --> 02:35:52,959
Speaker 1: don't try to win the debate with fan boards simply saying, Hey,

2909
02:35:53,040 --> 02:35:54,760
Speaker 1: you know, we've been pretty happy with our run game.

2910
02:35:54,800 --> 02:35:55,480
Speaker 2: You could just say it.

2911
02:35:55,959 --> 02:35:58,680
Speaker 1: You know, we've got running backs that note that are

2912
02:35:58,720 --> 02:36:01,519
Speaker 1: more comfortable running in those small.

2913
02:36:01,240 --> 02:36:02,039
Speaker 2: A and B gaps.

2914
02:36:02,120 --> 02:36:04,680
Speaker 1: You know, there were better ways to answer that question

2915
02:36:05,240 --> 02:36:08,240
Speaker 1: without getting defensive on the play calls. And you know

2916
02:36:08,600 --> 02:36:11,320
Speaker 1: you do try to run outside, right, That's what jet

2917
02:36:11,400 --> 02:36:16,120
Speaker 1: sweeps are for, and a few other things. But I

2918
02:36:16,120 --> 02:36:21,360
Speaker 1: thought the defensive nature of your response, it strikes me

2919
02:36:21,440 --> 02:36:23,480
Speaker 1: that you're feeling some pressure.

2920
02:36:23,640 --> 02:36:24,160
Speaker 2: I get it.

2921
02:36:25,000 --> 02:36:26,520
Speaker 1: This is the big time. All of you are going

2922
02:36:26,600 --> 02:36:36,080
Speaker 1: to feel pressure. I understand it. But always think about

2923
02:36:36,160 --> 02:36:40,400
Speaker 1: your answer before you say it, especially in this media climate.

2924
02:36:41,000 --> 02:36:42,720
Speaker 1: I am happy, by the way, coach Chris Ball, if

2925
02:36:42,760 --> 02:36:44,840
Speaker 1: you would like to hire me for any media training.

2926
02:36:44,520 --> 02:36:47,680
Speaker 2: For any of your coaches, count me in for that.

2927
02:36:47,760 --> 02:36:51,320
Speaker 1: All right, with that, I've gone ramblan long enough, by

2928
02:36:51,320 --> 02:36:54,600
Speaker 1: the way, for you NFL gamblers out there, nine home dogs,

2929
02:36:55,840 --> 02:36:58,600
Speaker 1: be careful out there, and with that, i'll see you

2930
02:36:58,680 --> 02:36:59,040
Speaker 1: next week.

2931
02:37:00,640 --> 02:37:01,000
Speaker 3: Hey,