WEBVTT - Angela Stent Previews Trump-Putin summit

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<v Speaker 1>Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio News.

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<v Speaker 2>Last night we had a meeting This is with Surveillance

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<v Speaker 2>Senior executive producer Eric Molow, Herder of Interns, yep, it's

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<v Speaker 2>his new title, Herder of Interns. And we had a

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<v Speaker 2>list of people and at the top of the list

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<v Speaker 2>on Putin Trump in Alaska was Angela's Stent, her book

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<v Speaker 2>Putin's World is absolutely definitive. We are beyond honored to

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<v Speaker 2>have a conversation this morning with Angela Stent. Angela, if

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<v Speaker 2>you were in Alaska for this meeting, what would you

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<v Speaker 2>listen for from the.

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<v Speaker 1>Two Well, I'm listening to see what it is that

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<v Speaker 1>Putin is proposing to President Trump, and so far it

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<v Speaker 1>seems that, you know, Ukraine is supposed to see territory

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<v Speaker 1>to Russia that Russia doesn't even control and really not

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<v Speaker 1>get very much a return, maybe a freezing of the

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<v Speaker 1>cattle lines. And with Trump, I'm listening to see does

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<v Speaker 1>he under really understand that Putin isn't willing to stop

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<v Speaker 1>this war and that he's being played. So those are

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<v Speaker 1>the things that I would be listening to.

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<v Speaker 2>And I look Angela at this and of course in

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<v Speaker 2>the Zeitgeist this morning, is the build article in Germany

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<v Speaker 2>that they got the translation run.

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<v Speaker 3>Do we have the process and apparatus to prepare for

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<v Speaker 3>Friday's meeting? I mean, do we have said administration in

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<v Speaker 3>place that can do this?

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<v Speaker 1>So so far it doesn't appear that we do. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>normally these kinds of summits are well prepared in advance,

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<v Speaker 1>they're experienced diplomats or involved in them. This is the

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<v Speaker 1>result of, you know, a long conversation between Stephen Whitcoff,

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<v Speaker 1>not a diplomat, not an expert on Russia, and Vladima Putin.

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<v Speaker 4>We don't know the.

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<v Speaker 1>Contents of it, and so we are really left in

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<v Speaker 1>the dark about what the process is in this. And

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<v Speaker 1>the concern is that President Trump will be and then

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't have all the backing he needs and the

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<v Speaker 1>and the understanding going into this about what Pudent's actually

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<v Speaker 1>trying to do.

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<v Speaker 5>What is the role if any, for President Zelenski.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, so far, President Zelenski of course, has been excluded

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<v Speaker 1>from this. The US and Russia are talking about his

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<v Speaker 1>own country. President Trump has spoken to him, He's in

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<v Speaker 1>he Zelensky is in very close contact with the Europeans.

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<v Speaker 1>The Europeans are trying to impress on President Trump that

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<v Speaker 1>he has to go into this clear eye and realistic

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<v Speaker 1>about what Putin is.

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<v Speaker 4>Trying to do.

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<v Speaker 1>But to think about two countries trading away another country's

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<v Speaker 1>territory without that country being present, I think that bears

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of thinking about.

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<v Speaker 5>Does President Putin have any intention to sign a ceasefire

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<v Speaker 5>on Friday or even discussing.

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<v Speaker 4>I very much doubt it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think what he's trying to do is to probe

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<v Speaker 1>and see how much he can get from President Trump.

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<v Speaker 4>So I would not hold you breath on.

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<v Speaker 3>That, Angela. I get the drama.

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<v Speaker 2>Max put writes it up in the Washington Post and others,

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<v Speaker 2>and we don't need to do a history lesson in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen thirty eight Munich where Neville Chamberlain gave away a

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<v Speaker 2>piece of Czechoslovakia and look what happened. But do you

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<v Speaker 2>see that moment here? I mean, these two world leaders,

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<v Speaker 2>do we, Angela? Do we know where they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>meet in Alaska? Yet?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know where they're going to meet in Alaska?

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<v Speaker 1>And it's interesting, Sofa Putin, all he has to do

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<v Speaker 1>is fly over Russia if he were to meet Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>In many other places he probably couldn't because there are

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of countries he can't fly over because it's

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<v Speaker 1>interesting interesting.

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<v Speaker 4>So we don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so maybe they're going to meet on those two islands.

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<v Speaker 2>They can wave at each other across the bearing straight

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<v Speaker 2>Angela's stent discuss what's in the zeitgeist this morning of

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<v Speaker 2>illusions to two years before World War Two.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think you know, two years before World War two,

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<v Speaker 1>if you think about Neville Chamberlain, I mean, he was

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<v Speaker 1>trying to poss bone of war because you know, he

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<v Speaker 1>and he believed that if he just gave Hitler what

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<v Speaker 1>he wanted, which was you know, talking about what was

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<v Speaker 1>happening to the Zudate land, then there wouldn't be a war.

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<v Speaker 4>I think we may still be at that point.

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<v Speaker 1>I think there's a not a full comprehension among the

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<v Speaker 1>in the Trump administration that you know that from Putin,

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<v Speaker 1>the subordination of Ukraine is the goal now, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>the first step towards really retaking influence and land in

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<v Speaker 1>what used to be the former Soviet Union, and Putin

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<v Speaker 1>has expansionist aims, and I think maybe in nineteen thirty eight,

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<v Speaker 1>mister Chamberlain didn't understand exactly what Hitler's expansionist aims were.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think people need to understand what this is about.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm sure that that that's not fully appreciated in

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<v Speaker 1>the White House.

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<v Speaker 4>Yet.

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<v Speaker 5>It seems, Angela, that most world leaders around the world

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<v Speaker 5>have bent their need to President Trump, whether it's on

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<v Speaker 5>tariffs other issues. That's not the case with mister Putin.

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<v Speaker 5>How does he how do you think he've used President

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<v Speaker 5>Trump and the administration.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think he believes that mister Trump really wants

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<v Speaker 1>to have a better relationship with Russia. Trump started out

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<v Speaker 1>by saying we need to reset and improve relations. I

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<v Speaker 1>think the Russians understand that there's inconsistency in the positions

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<v Speaker 1>of the Trump administration. They're going to push as far

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<v Speaker 1>as they can. This is the old, if you like

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<v Speaker 1>Soviet style of negotiation. What's mine is mine and what

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<v Speaker 1>is what's yours as negotiable. So I think they still

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<v Speaker 1>believe that they can get President Trump to agree to

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<v Speaker 1>terms that would be really very unfavorable for Ukraine and

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<v Speaker 1>would give Russia most of what it.

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<v Speaker 2>Wants, angel Ston, On the cover of your book, Putin's World, folks,

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<v Speaker 2>it was my book. I think I can't remember, Paul

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<v Speaker 2>if it was Book of the Year, Book of the whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Read the book Putin's World. Angela Stent with a new

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<v Speaker 2>chapter out now. Bill Burns, who has a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of experience at CIA, says Putin's World is a definitive

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<v Speaker 2>guide to understanding the tangled history of post Cold War

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<v Speaker 2>Russia and its place in the world. You got a

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<v Speaker 2>great photo on the cover, Angel I'm sure you picked

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<v Speaker 2>it out of the forty seven foot table with mister

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<v Speaker 2>Putin sitting at one end, and I think mister McCrum

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<v Speaker 2>said at the other end. That's not going to be Alaska.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it going to be all smilies and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>arm padding and all that. I mean, is it going

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<v Speaker 2>to be touchy feely?

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<v Speaker 4>It may well be.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you've seen the pictures of mister Whitcoff, and

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<v Speaker 1>mister Whitcoff putting his hand on his.

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<v Speaker 4>Heart, smiling, shaking his hand.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what President Trump will do, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>not going to be this long table, so that will

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<v Speaker 1>be smiles at least for the public.

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<v Speaker 3>As Oh, you're not old enough to remember this.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember when Khrushchef took a shoe off and pounded

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<v Speaker 2>in the UN. Have we treated Khrushchef or Bresenham or

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<v Speaker 2>Stalin or dare I say Lenin? Have we treated them

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<v Speaker 2>like the administrations treating mister Putin. It's absolutely original, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, it's completely original. No, we were very suspicious of them.

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<v Speaker 1>They were communists. We knew that they were at least

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<v Speaker 1>officially committed to taking over the world.

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<v Speaker 4>We were very wary with them.

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<v Speaker 1>Having said that, you know, Nixon and Brezhnev, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>did shake each other's hands, where all smiles. Bresna visited

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<v Speaker 1>the US drove around in big costs, so there was

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<v Speaker 1>some of that. But this is a very different feel

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<v Speaker 1>to what it was like, I mean during the Cold War.

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<v Speaker 3>This is just it's like the new season of slow Horses.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, mister Trump and mister Woodcoff and all should

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<v Speaker 2>just watch slow horses.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, that's what the That's how they got prepared for.

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<v Speaker 5>So, Angela, is there a scenario here where I don't know,

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<v Speaker 5>some kind of deal gets signed between Russia and President Trump?

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<v Speaker 5>And if I'm a Ukraine, I'm just sitting on the

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<v Speaker 5>outside saying what.

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<v Speaker 3>Do I do here?

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, that is that even.

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<v Speaker 4>Definitely a scenario.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the Russian goal is to sign and agreeing

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<v Speaker 1>with President Trump it's favorable toward Russia, and then blame

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<v Speaker 1>the Ukrainians if it doesn't work out, because the Ukrainians

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<v Speaker 1>are not going to sign onto a deal that status

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<v Speaker 1>are advantageous for them, and the Europeans are going to

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<v Speaker 1>back them in this. So that's definitely a scenario that

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<v Speaker 1>some deal is signed between the US and Russia, but

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<v Speaker 1>in fact the Ukrainians won't accept it.

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<v Speaker 2>And just one final serious question. Then this goes back

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<v Speaker 2>to mister Gates and Condaliza Rice. I believe in Belgrade.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I get it. There's territory in eastern Ukraine

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<v Speaker 2>and they've got four acres of Russia.

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<v Speaker 3>Da da da.

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<v Speaker 2>It comes back to the emotion of Crimea. Will that

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<v Speaker 2>even be discussed at this meeting about the sheer reality

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<v Speaker 2>of Crimea on the Black Sea?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know whether it'll be discussed, but it really

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't seem to be an issue. I mean, I think

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<v Speaker 1>the Trump administration is assuming that the Ukrainians can't do

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<v Speaker 1>anything about the annexation of Crimea, and that they will

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<v Speaker 1>at least day facto.

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<v Speaker 4>I have to recognize you.

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<v Speaker 3>Need from Secretary Rubio.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think Secretary Rubio needs to, you know, to

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<v Speaker 1>make sure that concessions are not made to Putin that

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<v Speaker 1>are not warranted. He seems to he I think I

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<v Speaker 1>understands the situation pretty well. He was previously at least

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<v Speaker 1>a hawk on Russia, so he needs to somehow be

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<v Speaker 1>a restraining factor in this.

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<v Speaker 2>Wonderful This was great, Paul Angela's den, thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>On Putin's World, we begin our coverage of this historic summit.

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<v Speaker 2>Meeting is scheduled for Friday. David Girl will join us

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<v Speaker 2>later in the show this morning to provide further briefing.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a story on a move to say the least,