WEBVTT - Friday Flight - Avoiding Upsells, HOA Hell, & Astrological Investing #843

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to How the Money. I'm Joel and I am Matt,

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<v Speaker 1>and today we're talking about avoiding up cells, hoa hell

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<v Speaker 1>and astrological investing.

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<v Speaker 2>Dude, I don't think I realized how many folks are

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<v Speaker 2>into astrology. Did I tell you about how so our

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<v Speaker 2>local mountain that we like to that we often hike

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<v Speaker 2>at the top there, there's it's pretty bare, right, so

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<v Speaker 2>it's just a bunch of rock essentially, and there are

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<v Speaker 2>like a bunch of crystals that were out with like

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<v Speaker 2>some paint and some other sort of interesting stuff. I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, what is all this? And somebody was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>that's it was like a full moon and folks will

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<v Speaker 2>put their crystals out to absorb the energy from the moon.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess, okay, or maybe at certain stars. Have you

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<v Speaker 2>ever heard of that kind of thing?

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<v Speaker 1>And I mean, I know that there's people who do

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<v Speaker 1>that, that it exists, and I think it's been going up

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<v Speaker 1>in popularity. It makes me think of when we had

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<v Speaker 1>Cody Sanchez. She was into crystals, remember that, Oh that

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<v Speaker 1>was like her, that was her sporge. I think was

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<v Speaker 1>really buying crystals, that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know much about it though, but we are

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<v Speaker 1>going to talk a little bit about astrology and how

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<v Speaker 1>some people are, especially younger folks, are letting the alignment

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<v Speaker 1>of the stars impact how they choose to invest, thinking

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<v Speaker 1>they might do better in the long run. But before

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<v Speaker 1>we get to that, Matt, let's talk about the Built Card.

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<v Speaker 1>It's one of the best credit cards out there. We've

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<v Speaker 1>talked about specifically for renters. So homeowners, Sorry, you can't

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<v Speaker 1>get rewarded for paying your mortgage with a credit card? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but renters and can.

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<v Speaker 2>And for a while there we were saying, hey, homeowners,

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<v Speaker 2>hang time, because maybe this will be something that becomes

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<v Speaker 2>an option for you. It's looking like that's less or

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<v Speaker 2>less going to be an option. That's not going to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not going to happen. And why is that not

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<v Speaker 2>going to happen? Well, it's the reason it's not going

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<v Speaker 2>to happen is because the Built Card is losing the

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<v Speaker 2>issuing which as well as Fargo ten million dollars a month.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a profile in the Wall Street Journal specifically

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<v Speaker 2>about this card, and obviously it's been a boon for renters.

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<v Speaker 2>They're you know, earning points and significant amounts of cash

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<v Speaker 2>back on a no fee credit card. This doesn't come

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<v Speaker 2>with an annual fee, and so for renters out there,

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<v Speaker 2>the bill card is like one you should have in

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<v Speaker 2>your wallet. How long will it be around? That remains

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<v Speaker 2>to be seen because the bank is getting screwed because

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<v Speaker 2>they made prognostications about the type of people who would

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<v Speaker 2>open one of these cards up and what they have

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<v Speaker 2>found is the folks using this credit card have pretty

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<v Speaker 2>healthy finances.

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<v Speaker 1>They aren't keeping a balance well, So.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's less about having healthy find it like,

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<v Speaker 2>think about it, like, how do banks actually make money?

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<v Speaker 2>Like yes, like you've got your anual fees, but you

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<v Speaker 2>make money on the balances that you don't pay off, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Like you the idea from the bank's point of view,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking like an evil bank, right, I got my

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<v Speaker 2>monocle in my eye, and you want folks to have

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<v Speaker 2>plastic and go out there and to rack up a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of charges that you're not necessarily planning on and

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<v Speaker 2>then oh the statement hits and you're like, oh, dang it,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have enough money to pay this off. You

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<v Speaker 2>carry a balance boom, you're paying interest in the banks

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<v Speaker 2>making money, and the.

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<v Speaker 1>Bank says you're a good customer.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly. But what charge are we talking about here that

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<v Speaker 2>folks are opening or applying for the bill card specifically

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<v Speaker 2>for their rent that is not a surprise payment like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Literally they're called renters like it's built into the name,

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<v Speaker 2>the name of folks who are renting apartments, and so

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<v Speaker 2>it's just I don't think there's any other monthly expense

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<v Speaker 2>that folks are so used to paying if you are

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<v Speaker 2>a renter, as opposed to something that you might see

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<v Speaker 2>on the shelf or there's a sale, folks are prepared

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<v Speaker 2>to pay off that balance people in every single month.

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<v Speaker 2>People who get that card, they're using it for rent payments,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't think they're using it for a whole

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<v Speaker 2>lot else.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we've talked about it. It's their quote unquote

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<v Speaker 1>rent card, right exactly. And there are other things you

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<v Speaker 1>can use it for than be I think like paying

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<v Speaker 1>for your cell phone service with the bill card. That's

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<v Speaker 1>nice because it comes with that cell phone protection. It's

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<v Speaker 1>one of the best credit cards for cel phone protection too.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it's the Wells Fargo is shocked that they're

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<v Speaker 1>losing so much money, should be shocked though.

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<v Speaker 2>That's I guess that's that's what I'm thinking.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I think they've inked this deal for

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<v Speaker 1>years to come, so they're not gonna be able to

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<v Speaker 1>get out of this perpetual money losing situation. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>another reminder. Yes, the bank's losing money, but maybe you,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're a renter, should help them lose even more

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<v Speaker 1>money and go sign up for this card because it's

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<v Speaker 1>the only way to actually get rewarded for paying your rent.

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<v Speaker 1>There has been no other card before this, and they're.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably because they're going to learn from Wills Fargo's mistakes.

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<v Speaker 2>It's almost as if the branding worked too well, Like

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<v Speaker 2>they branded it too hard as the only car that

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<v Speaker 2>you can put your int on, and if you have

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<v Speaker 2>siloed that card, it's no wonder that they're losing money

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<v Speaker 2>because folks are they're using it as a tool, and

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<v Speaker 2>they're like they're using that card judiciously as opposed to

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<v Speaker 2>getting sucked into how you would typically spend when you're

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<v Speaker 2>shopping online. You know, it's like it's the opposite of

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<v Speaker 2>like Klarna or four monthly installments.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm not shocked at this. I don't think you

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<v Speaker 1>are either, but it's just how how badly this has

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<v Speaker 1>played out for the banks, and how well it's played

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<v Speaker 1>out for consumers is impressive.

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<v Speaker 2>Who's losing money more Washington Post on a daily basis

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<v Speaker 2>or Wells Fargo with the built card.

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<v Speaker 1>It's probably the Washington Post, but it's it's close. But

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<v Speaker 1>we'll actually link to the review that we have up

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<v Speaker 1>on how to money dot Com of the Built card.

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<v Speaker 1>Matt and I homeowners, we can't take advantage of this,

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<v Speaker 1>but if you're a renter, you might still find And

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<v Speaker 1>I think there's still a lot of years left that

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<v Speaker 1>this that Wells Fargo and built are tied together, so

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<v Speaker 1>it's not like it's going away soon, but it might

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<v Speaker 1>go away in the future. But while the Sunshine and Maky.

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't be surprised too. If it's in the find

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<v Speaker 2>type that they can change the different payouts. So we'll

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<v Speaker 2>see maybe, but for now it exists. All right, let's

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<v Speaker 2>move ont. Let's get to the Friday Flight. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>quick sampling of stories we found interesting this week. We've

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<v Speaker 2>already kind of started the Friday Flight, I guess, so

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<v Speaker 2>that was kind of a time a little more newsworthy.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, well, let's talk about one of our favorite

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<v Speaker 1>cheap travel hacks. Now we've talked about this, but we

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<v Speaker 1>haven't talked about it in a long time. Megabus, it's the

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<v Speaker 1>one of the cheapest ways to get around the country

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<v Speaker 1>is by taking a bus. We're so used to taking flights,

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<v Speaker 1>and flights have you gone down dramatically in price in

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<v Speaker 1>recent years?

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<v Speaker 2>I get that.

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<v Speaker 1>I just booked some Southwest flights recently on a sale

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<v Speaker 1>they had a couple of weeks ago. Well, Megabus is

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<v Speaker 1>filed for bankruptcy, and a single tear came to my

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<v Speaker 1>eye when I read that, because I have enjoyed a

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<v Speaker 1>few trips on Megabus. Myself has been a Megabus patron. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's been a while, but I'm like, I want them

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<v Speaker 1>to be around. I'll probably use it in the future

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<v Speaker 1>at some point, but unlow you won't You really.

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<v Speaker 2>Think you'll use them in the future, Yeah, for sure. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>do they have seats as low as a dollar? And

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<v Speaker 2>it's I think, I just you don't have.

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<v Speaker 1>To go through the rigamarole of security getting the airport,

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<v Speaker 1>if it's a.

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<v Speaker 2>Little to get to the actual bus stop. If you're

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<v Speaker 2>sitting there, it takes so much longer. Like we always

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<v Speaker 2>talk about how your time is worth money, and like,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's a decent option for folks who might

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<v Speaker 2>have a like have some additional time. But like, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's not even sometimes you'll give it a shot, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes it's additional time.

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<v Speaker 1>But guess what, when you're on a bus, you can

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<v Speaker 1>do a lot of other productive things. And there's Wi

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<v Speaker 1>Fi on that bush. So you do that on a

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<v Speaker 1>plane too, you can, but then you've got to go through,

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<v Speaker 1>like I just said, the security all that kind of

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<v Speaker 1>stuff depends how far you're going. If you're going on

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<v Speaker 1>like a five or six hour bus ride, well versus

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<v Speaker 1>a plane trip, well, the economics are better of the

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<v Speaker 1>bus and the time is about equal. And so yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>post COVID, the airline travel bounce back, but bus travel

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<v Speaker 1>hasn't seen the same resurgence, and so that is why

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<v Speaker 1>megabus is dealing with these financial issues. The good news

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<v Speaker 1>is though Megabus is going to remain in service while

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<v Speaker 1>they're filing for bankruptcy. So I don't know. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's good. I think for regional travel, don't forget about

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<v Speaker 1>bus travel. And some people, Matt, they are cheaper like me,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're willing to, like, hey, save fifty bucks because

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<v Speaker 1>that's how much less expensive bus travel is. And guess what,

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<v Speaker 1>I can sleep on the bus, or I can get

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<v Speaker 1>some work done because there's a Wi Fi too. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. I think when you're taking trips in that

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<v Speaker 1>four to eight hour range, bus travel can be better

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<v Speaker 1>than driving in flying.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm just gonna point out you can do work

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<v Speaker 2>on a plane. You can also sleep on a plane.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say better, perhaps even on the plane, because

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<v Speaker 2>you kind of got that nice plane drone going on

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<v Speaker 2>that somehow just puts me to sleep. And you mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>the one dollar like because you know they've got it

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<v Speaker 2>painted on the actual buses, and like the fact is,

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<v Speaker 2>like those seats are incredibly limited, like sometimes it's only

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<v Speaker 2>like a single seat on an entire bus route in

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<v Speaker 2>order for them to be able to advertise that.

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<v Speaker 1>I just looked up a recent round trip fair though,

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<v Speaker 1>and it wasn't dollar seats, but it would have been

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<v Speaker 1>forty bucks round trip to the destination. I was thinking,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, I'm like a similar plane flight could have

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<v Speaker 1>been one to eighty So you're talking about a significant gap.

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<v Speaker 2>Possibly, Yeah, I guess for folks though, who have a

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<v Speaker 2>like a solid vehicle, like you're going to take your car, and.

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<v Speaker 1>So specifically a lot more than that smifically multitask in

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<v Speaker 1>the same way in a.

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<v Speaker 2>Car like that's per ticket, right, And so if.

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<v Speaker 1>You're because you're not interested, and it doesn't mean other

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<v Speaker 1>people aren't.

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<v Speaker 2>I think other people might. But also if you have

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<v Speaker 2>your own vehicle, like the convenience of having all your

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<v Speaker 2>stuff in your own vehicle, especially the more people you

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<v Speaker 2>pile into the vehicle, like it makes me think of

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<v Speaker 2>like in college, like when you would go on a

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<v Speaker 2>road trip. The more the merrier, because that's just another

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<v Speaker 2>person that can ship into the cost of gas. But

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<v Speaker 2>I think especially for folks who might live in a

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<v Speaker 2>bigger city who don't have a car, this is the

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<v Speaker 2>affordable option absolutely. But for folks who have a car, man,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't imagine there are too many folks who are thinking, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to catch a ride an uber, get a friend,

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<v Speaker 2>drop me off at the bus stop so I can

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<v Speaker 2>save twenty bucks, when instead I can just hop in

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<v Speaker 2>the car and it's gonna be more than twenty bucks.

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<v Speaker 1>It just it depends. It can be expensive and run

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<v Speaker 1>the numbers. But bus travel underrated all right, Speaking of traveling,

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<v Speaker 1>the mat. If you are traveling by plane and you're

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about going internationally, it's crucial to check your passport

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<v Speaker 1>expiration date. My older sister found herself in a conundrum

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<v Speaker 1>the other the other day she bought the plane ticket

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<v Speaker 1>for herself and for her son to go travel down

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<v Speaker 1>to Panama, and her son got stranded at home because

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<v Speaker 1>they had an updated his passport. And so it's really

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<v Speaker 1>crucial to do well in advance of your trip, because, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't want that money to go to waste. We

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<v Speaker 1>talked a while back about the State Department allowing for

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<v Speaker 1>the online renewal of passports, and I actually got in

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<v Speaker 1>on that during the very small window that they had

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<v Speaker 1>that available. It was like this short lived pilot program.

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<v Speaker 1>But they have resuscitated it. It's back and it's a

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<v Speaker 1>big time saver. So you got to be over the

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<v Speaker 1>age of twenty five to have had a passport for

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<v Speaker 1>at least ten years. And the State Department says they're

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<v Speaker 1>going to have a limited number of slots available for

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<v Speaker 1>online renewal each day. So our advice to you is

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<v Speaker 1>to get up early, get that application submitted if you

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<v Speaker 1>need to renew your passport. It's so much better than

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<v Speaker 1>driving somewhere waiting in line, which is what you had

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<v Speaker 1>to do, sadly, Matt. So it is the online. We

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<v Speaker 1>can do so many things online now, renewing the passport.

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<v Speaker 1>It just makes sense and it's going to, like I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's going to make renewing your passport much less

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<v Speaker 1>of a hassle.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I think I waited close to an hour,

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<v Speaker 2>although that was last year when travel was super hot.

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<v Speaker 2>Travels down this year. So if you don't happen to

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<v Speaker 2>be able to do it online, maybe it won't be quite.

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<v Speaker 1>As bad for you, but at least look into it.

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<v Speaker 2>But while we're talking about traveling, the Journal just wrote

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<v Speaker 2>about how good airlines are at upselling their passengers. They've

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<v Speaker 2>been decoupling the price of the ticket as well as

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<v Speaker 2>extra conveniences for years now, and the price of the

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<v Speaker 2>ticket now gets your button the seat, but it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>get you a whole lot else. If you want to

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<v Speaker 2>be able to pick your specific seat, that's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be an extra or twenty bucks. If you want to

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<v Speaker 2>be at the front of the line, well you're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>pay for that as well. The cost of a something

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<v Speaker 2>beyond like a small backpack that you can shove into

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<v Speaker 2>the little metal box that's obviously going to uh if

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<v Speaker 2>you do it there at the gate, is going to

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<v Speaker 2>cost you, like even maybe more than the ticket.

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<v Speaker 1>We saw that in our last trip. A couple of

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<v Speaker 1>yesaw their bags fit, they didn't quite fit, and then.

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<v Speaker 2>They had two additional bags, like eighty bucks a pop.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it was one hundred. They spent two hundred bucks.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of money. But here's the thing we're not

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<v Speaker 2>We're not highlighting this because we dislike it. Actually, personally,

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<v Speaker 2>I think this is a great thing because it gives

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<v Speaker 2>you optionality.

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<v Speaker 1>Like in our our backsit we didn't have to pay well.

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<v Speaker 2>Because we knew ahead of sign But the ability essentially

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<v Speaker 2>to not pay for a bunch of extras that you're

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<v Speaker 2>not going to take advantage of gives people the ability

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<v Speaker 2>to travel for less when maybe otherwise they would not

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<v Speaker 2>be able to take that flight. Like if you are

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<v Speaker 2>the one taking advantage of all the goodies, all the extras, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>well maybe you're actually making out like a bandit, But

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<v Speaker 2>like I don't necessarily want to subsidize a guy in

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<v Speaker 2>front of me, like chucking cokes or like the supply

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<v Speaker 2>of snacks on like a three hour flight when instead

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<v Speaker 2>I might go with an option that allows me to

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<v Speaker 2>decouple the price of the ticket from those additional perks.

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<v Speaker 1>And really what that means is for savvy travelers, more money.

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<v Speaker 1>You're able to save more money you can funnel towards

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<v Speaker 1>additional trips. If that's your jams right, all right, So

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<v Speaker 1>this is not a dental advice map, but on the

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<v Speaker 1>note of travel, people should consider open jaw to save money.

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<v Speaker 1>We talked about open jaw very much. No, yeah, it

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<v Speaker 1>sounds like something a dentist would take you to open

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<v Speaker 1>your jaw. Well, what is an open jaw trip?

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, no, the dentistas that close your jaw like you're

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to breathe through your nose.

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<v Speaker 1>No, but they have to open it so they can

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<v Speaker 1>open your mouth. Yes, they can clean it if you're close.

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<v Speaker 1>If your jaw is closed, they can't really do much

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<v Speaker 1>with your teeth, right, gotcha, got you gotta do some work. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>open jaw flights or when you fly into one city

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<v Speaker 1>and out of another, and it can save you hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>of dollars taking this strategy. This could work particularly well

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<v Speaker 1>for like, let's say a trip to Europe that you

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<v Speaker 1>might be planning because that way, not only does it

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<v Speaker 1>potentially save you money, but you don't have to navigate

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<v Speaker 1>back to starting city if you're planning on bouncing around

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<v Speaker 1>to multiple spots. And yeah, the money saving is the

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<v Speaker 1>thing we care about the most, because all it takes

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<v Speaker 1>is some planning, some flexibility, some creativity in searching four

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<v Speaker 1>flights to and from multiple destinations on a site like

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<v Speaker 1>Google Flights that can help you take your trip for

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<v Speaker 1>far less than you might have thought on the front end,

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<v Speaker 1>like hey, yep, I'll maybe I'll fly into Rome and

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<v Speaker 1>then I'll fly out of Amsterdam and check and seat

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<v Speaker 1>like some do some searches, like spend thirty minutes checking

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of destinations to and from and you might

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<v Speaker 1>find Wait, I thought my trip to Europe was gonna

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<v Speaker 1>cost me nine hundred and fifty bucks. Oh, it's only

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<v Speaker 1>gonna cost me six to fifty if I plan it

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<v Speaker 1>out this way. And I think, yeah, that incentive makes

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<v Speaker 1>me want to do some creative search.

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<v Speaker 2>It's funny that you mentioned in Italy because that's literally

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<v Speaker 2>turns out I've been an open jaw travel did you

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<v Speaker 2>didn't share why it's called open jaw? So it's called

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<v Speaker 2>open jaw because imagine like a sideways V, like a

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<v Speaker 2>greater greater than symbol, Like basically you're flying in and

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<v Speaker 2>out of a different city essentially, so it kind of

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<v Speaker 2>looks like an open mouth. That's exactly what I did

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<v Speaker 2>when we backpacked Italy back when I was in college.

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<v Speaker 2>We flew into Milan because at least at the time,

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<v Speaker 2>that was the absolute cheapest flight, and then we popped around, like,

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<v Speaker 2>we checked flights out of Italy from different cities, and

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<v Speaker 2>it turned out that flying out of Venice was going

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<v Speaker 2>to be the most affordable option. So we're like, boom,

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<v Speaker 2>that's what we're flying in and what seven days later

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<v Speaker 2>we're flying out of there? Yeah, what we do in

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<v Speaker 2>the middle.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's up to us, Right, that's totally the way

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<v Speaker 1>to do it. Just because most people book straight up

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<v Speaker 1>round trip to and from the same destination. Just because

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<v Speaker 1>that is the norm doesn't mean it's the way you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to save the most money.

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<v Speaker 2>All Right. Here is some news that actually may not

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<v Speaker 2>be news to you if you are a part of

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<v Speaker 2>an HOA, but they can be unpredictable, especially if you've

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how to run in with your hoa.

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<v Speaker 1>If you still got your Christmas decorations up, you deserve

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<v Speaker 1>the notices you're getting.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, This is an extreme example, but Yahoo Finance

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<v Speaker 2>they published an article about a Florida condo association that's

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<v Speaker 2>levying a six figure special assessment.

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<v Speaker 1>Hundred thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like one hundred and thirty four thousand dollars per unit.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a new law in Florida and they're forcing older

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<v Speaker 2>condo complexes to shore up their structural or potential structural issues.

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<v Speaker 2>This is, of course, in the wake of the surf

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<v Speaker 2>Side condo collapse. Gosh, how long ago was that now a.

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<v Speaker 1>Couple of years.

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<v Speaker 2>But those updates they can be insanely expensive, causing many

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<v Speaker 2>to just leave to vacate their condos instead of forking

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<v Speaker 2>of a massive chunk of change because they can't afford it.

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<v Speaker 2>But then on top of that, potential buyers they're wary too,

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<v Speaker 2>which means sales price are shrinking. So we are We're

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<v Speaker 2>pointing this out because sixty percent of new builds these

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<v Speaker 2>days come with an HOA, and depending on your opinion,

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<v Speaker 2>like there are certainly pros to having an HOA, but

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<v Speaker 2>there's cons too. Of course, the financial side of it,

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<v Speaker 2>and so we want folks to be careful. Look at

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<v Speaker 2>the financial standing of your HOA, look at the reserves,

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<v Speaker 2>make sure there are reserves. Maybe even talk to somebody

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<v Speaker 2>that's either on the board, maybe talk to other residents

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<v Speaker 2>that are under that HOA before you move forward, because

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<v Speaker 2>if not, it could come back to bite you.

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<v Speaker 1>And it might sound nice that, oh man, the monthly agoafe,

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<v Speaker 1>it's so small. It's one hundred and twelve dollars a

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<v Speaker 1>month or something like that, and look at all the

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<v Speaker 1>amenities it comes with, but that could be an artificially

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<v Speaker 1>low amount. Makes My mother in law bought a condo,

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<v Speaker 1>like I guess, this was probably ten years ago in Atlanta,

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<v Speaker 1>and she found out quickly that that low hoafe, well,

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<v Speaker 1>they hadn't bumped it up in a long time, and

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<v Speaker 1>so then they had a deferred maintenance, a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>deferred maintenance, and then they had the levy a special assessment.

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<v Speaker 1>Not six figures fortunately, but I want to say it

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<v Speaker 1>was like six thousand dollars. So if you're not planning

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<v Speaker 1>for that, it can derail you. Right Like most people,

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<v Speaker 1>they're not equipped to handle that. And you have to

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<v Speaker 1>realize that's a possibility with homeowner associations. We actually have

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<v Speaker 1>a new article up on the site that we'll link

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<v Speaker 1>to about the pros and cons of hoas it can

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<v Speaker 1>potentially help protect your property value, but can also on

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<v Speaker 1>the flip side, cost you a lot of money and

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<v Speaker 1>you might get hit with a giant bill that you

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<v Speaker 1>weren't expecting.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Plus, so we're talking about the financial side of it,

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<v Speaker 2>but don't forget about like all the drama side of

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<v Speaker 2>things as well. Oh yeah, you're signing up for There's

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<v Speaker 2>just a whole lot more that goes into it. And honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>that is hoa's or I always say, the lack of

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<v Speaker 2>an HOA where we currently live, like that is one

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<v Speaker 2>of the that's a big reason why we're not considering

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<v Speaker 2>some of these other neighborhoods that are near us and

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<v Speaker 2>instead we're about to renovate our homes because we don't

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<v Speaker 2>have an HOA, which means we have the freedom and

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<v Speaker 2>the autonomy to do not exactly like whatever we wanted,

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<v Speaker 2>but within the city rules and stuff. Yeah, exactly like

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<v Speaker 2>within good days. Like dude, some neighborhoods like you can't

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<v Speaker 2>even put playhouses or structures in it, like in your backyard,

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<v Speaker 2>not the front yard like in the backyard.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, one of my friends he bought a condo down

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<v Speaker 1>in Florida and the HOA was so poorly runs. He said,

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<v Speaker 1>the only way that I could that things could turn

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<v Speaker 1>around is if I ran for president. He ran for president.

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<v Speaker 1>Now he's got a part time job being the HOA president.

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<v Speaker 1>This takes twenty to twenty five hours a week of

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<v Speaker 1>his time. It's insane, and but thank you, But that's

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<v Speaker 1>his investment, Like he hasn't investment of this condo, and

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<v Speaker 1>the only way to make sure that his investment stays

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<v Speaker 1>intact is to put in all this time and effort

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<v Speaker 1>to turn things around. So yes, hoas can be a

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<v Speaker 1>blessing or a curse. And you just have to have

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<v Speaker 1>your eyes wide open before you buy a home inside

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<v Speaker 1>of an HOA neighborhood. And that's just one of the

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<v Speaker 1>rising costs of home ownership, many of which feel hidden

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<v Speaker 1>from people these days. We all know about higher home prices,

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<v Speaker 1>higher interest rates, but the annual cost of home maintenance

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<v Speaker 1>has increased by almost thirty percent over the past few

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<v Speaker 1>years too. Bank Rate just did a study. They found

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<v Speaker 1>that the average homeowner is spending eighteen thousand dollars a

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<v Speaker 1>year in taxes, insurance, utilities and repairs, and renters, they

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<v Speaker 1>obviously have to pay for utilities and insurance too, although

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<v Speaker 1>their insurance renters insurance is so much cheaper than homeowner's insurance.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's crucial to budget for these costs if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to own a home. It's another reason I would

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<v Speaker 1>say renting isn't throwing away money. I think home ownership

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<v Speaker 1>is a great goal, but you also have to realize

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<v Speaker 1>that they're additional costs beyond the mortgage, significant additional costs.

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<v Speaker 2>We want folks to make informed decisions. Joel, while we

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<v Speaker 2>are talking about real estate, let's talk about real estate

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<v Speaker 2>investments for a second, and specifically it's talk about real

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<v Speaker 2>estate syndication deals, because that's not something I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>we've talked about at all, or much at all, at

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<v Speaker 2>least maybe with on the show Braindon Turner back today.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, that's right. But like bottom line, one of

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<v Speaker 2>the reasons we don't discuss these often is because they're

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<v Speaker 2>they're only available to accredited investors, which means folks who

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<v Speaker 2>either have like a really large net worth or a

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<v Speaker 2>sky high income. But Bloomberg They had an article this

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<v Speaker 2>week about how many of these syndication deals are unraveling

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<v Speaker 2>because of the higher interest rates because unlike your primary

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<v Speaker 2>home financing, for these bigger real estate deals, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>locked in for the same duration, and so what that

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<v Speaker 2>means is that it is less insulated from the rising

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<v Speaker 2>rates that we've been experiencing, and investors are they're finding

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<v Speaker 2>out the hard way as quarterly payments they're drawing up,

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<v Speaker 2>they're capitals now at risk. And again, we want folks

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<v Speaker 2>to be informed. Like the syndication deals, they're not the devil,

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<v Speaker 2>but the devil is in the details. And these they're

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<v Speaker 2>just not quite as hot as they were a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of years ago as rates were lower, and so we

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<v Speaker 2>want folks to be incredibly cautious with this type of investment.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there are a lot of real estate influencers out there, Matt,

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<v Speaker 1>who wants you to think that real estate syndication it's

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<v Speaker 1>this private investment that other people don't want you to

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<v Speaker 1>know about. And it's a really laid back way to

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<v Speaker 1>invest in real estate that you don't have to get

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<v Speaker 1>your hands dirty buying your own property. But as people

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<v Speaker 1>are seeing when the economic environment shifts, some syndication deals

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<v Speaker 1>are doing quite well because the operator did their due

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<v Speaker 1>diligence and they locked in solid financing terms for an

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<v Speaker 1>extended period of time. But a lot of the more

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<v Speaker 1>precarious syndication deals are falling flat and investors are losing money.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, just a warning for anybody out there who

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<v Speaker 1>is considering going that route. We've got more to get

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<v Speaker 1>to on this episode, including a prediction that we're in

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<v Speaker 1>a stock market bubble. We'll talk about that and more

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<v Speaker 1>right after this, but we are back from the break.

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<v Speaker 2>We got more personal finance goodness to get to today.

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<v Speaker 2>But let's go ahead and get to the ludicrous headline

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<v Speaker 2>of the week, and this one is from Business Insider.

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<v Speaker 2>The headline reads, can the stars predict the stock market?

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<v Speaker 2>Gen Z think? So you like my voice there? That's

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<v Speaker 2>my incredulous, stupid headline voice, because obviously, first of all,

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<v Speaker 2>the entire population, the entire gen Z generation, does not

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<v Speaker 2>think that astrology is gonna aid them in stock picking.

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<v Speaker 2>I bet a gen exer wrote that headline. That does

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<v Speaker 2>seem like a gen X kind of thing to do.

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<v Speaker 1>I just like stomp on the generation below me.

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<v Speaker 2>So the headline itself is annoying, but like it's also

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<v Speaker 2>true that some in the younger generation, maybe they are

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<v Speaker 2>looking for an investing edge and they are looking to astrology.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe they're looking to tarot cards to advise them. And

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<v Speaker 2>one person who takes this tactic and this isn't the story,

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<v Speaker 2>they said, I tend to long the full moon, in short,

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<v Speaker 2>the new moon.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you do with the harvest moon?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh? What like? What does this even mean? It's just

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<v Speaker 2>it's ridiculous. It's hard to tell how widespread this sort

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<v Speaker 2>of approach is and what it is that you're letting

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<v Speaker 2>influence how it is that you invest. But if you're

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<v Speaker 2>in astrology, I think that's fine. You're in a crystals,

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<v Speaker 2>go for it, you do you, But similar to your politics,

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<v Speaker 2>don't let that influence your investments. Don't let it influence

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<v Speaker 2>how you invest when you get in and get out

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<v Speaker 2>of the market, or even why, like your long term

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<v Speaker 2>rationale and the reason behind what like what it is

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<v Speaker 2>that you're investing for.

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<v Speaker 1>And let's be honest, if you're a twenty five year

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<v Speaker 1>old and you think that you have special insight into

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<v Speaker 1>the stars and how that impacts the markets, well, don't

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<v Speaker 1>you think Neil de grasse Tyson would have figured this

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<v Speaker 1>out by now. Don't you think he would be the billionaire?

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<v Speaker 1>Like if there was some sort of rhyme or reason

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<v Speaker 1>to the movement of the planets and the sun and

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<v Speaker 1>the stars. Pretty sure that's the dude, Matt, who would

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<v Speaker 1>have capitalized on this. Not a person fresh out of college.

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<v Speaker 2>See, but he he understands the stars in a different

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<v Speaker 2>way than folks who are into astrology.

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<v Speaker 1>Dude, you know, like there's a spirit and there are

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<v Speaker 1>more advanced astrologers who would have this. I'm just saying.

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<v Speaker 2>But what they're saying is like, oh, I've I'm at

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<v Speaker 2>the intersection of astrology and investing. It's it's it's like

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<v Speaker 2>the Memestock generation of folks who think that this is

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<v Speaker 2>something that they can perhaps look to.

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<v Speaker 1>And I get the desire to increase your performance right there,

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's an understandable human desire. We talked about this too, Matt.

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<v Speaker 1>American exceptionalism almost demands that we not be average, and

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<v Speaker 1>so inside of investing, the line that we toe is

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<v Speaker 1>that average is the best thing for you. And I

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<v Speaker 1>get why people want to buck against that and they

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<v Speaker 1>want outsized returns. But it's hard to come by, and

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<v Speaker 1>these some of these just pie in the sky strategies

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<v Speaker 1>aren't going to help you get there, and in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>so much of the time you are going to lose

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<v Speaker 1>money by trying some novel theory of investing. Speaking of investing,

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<v Speaker 1>a new study from Northwestern Mutual finds that younger folks

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<v Speaker 1>are more open to AI money management tools than their

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<v Speaker 1>boom counterparts, although for most financial planning tasks, research also

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<v Speaker 1>showed that most people still prefer humans like fifty four

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<v Speaker 1>percent to just AI alone fifteen percent. And so obviously

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<v Speaker 1>AI is not like primetime. It's primetime for some things,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe for helping you with your writing tasks or search

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<v Speaker 1>results something like that. Well, AI is likely going to

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<v Speaker 1>be more of a help than a hindrance in the future,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly when it comes to some of these money tasks,

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<v Speaker 1>and we are seeing this transition in real time with

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<v Speaker 1>new fintech products. Taking a copilot Matt, it's a cool

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<v Speaker 1>budgeting tool, and they use artificial intelligence to help you

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<v Speaker 1>categorize transactions that are specific to your budget and your situation.

0:24:41.480 --> 0:24:44.360
<v Speaker 1>It gets smarter over time, right, makes that budgeting process

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<v Speaker 1>easier and more specific to you. Monarch money is another

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<v Speaker 1>one that we've talked about a great budgeting app. They

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<v Speaker 1>use AI to give you more personalized advice on their site.

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<v Speaker 1>You can ask it questions. It can help you set

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<v Speaker 1>goals or gain insights to your money at a deeper level.

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<v Speaker 1>But AI can also be like a marketing buzzword, and

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<v Speaker 1>so it makes me think of another fintech product, betterment.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't use artificial intelligence because what they've said is

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<v Speaker 1>that they found that simpler approaches are more effective for them.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, to boil it down, I guess I'm

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<v Speaker 1>excited about the potential, but I'm also wary of the

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<v Speaker 1>need for AI in a whole lot of the financial

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<v Speaker 1>realm too.

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<v Speaker 2>And so much of it I think is just marketing.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, like, are these companies actually using AI or

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<v Speaker 2>are they just have they just updated their algorithms, Like right,

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<v Speaker 2>it's all the same, Like we've been complaining about algorithms,

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<v Speaker 2>and maybe that hasn't cause as much steam because I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, it's not like this a brain new sector,

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<v Speaker 2>but like the whole just like the ads that were

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<v Speaker 2>fed via social media, it's like, Okay, that sounds a

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<v Speaker 2>lot like the AI that Monarch or Copilot has implemented

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<v Speaker 2>into their budgeting, and so much of it I think

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<v Speaker 2>is marketing and folks looking to cash in and to

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<v Speaker 2>show that they're forward thinking, they're you know, they're utilizing

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<v Speaker 2>technology in order to benefit their customers and to better

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<v Speaker 2>their products.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but you're right, some of it is smoking mirrors.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what it feels like to me. And and specifically

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<v Speaker 2>I think because of chat GPT, because it has like

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<v Speaker 2>the way it gives you the information, it's like there's somebody,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's like there's some mine behind it. It's

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<v Speaker 2>like typing it out and you're seeing it, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>like that's it's just like incomplete Google results that are

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<v Speaker 2>being sort of fed to you in real time, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's just formatted in such a way that looks

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<v Speaker 2>like there's somebody on the other end. But so much

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<v Speaker 2>of it I think is perception.

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<v Speaker 1>Even the new AI results with Google, when you see

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<v Speaker 1>that at the very top, it's linking to multiple articles

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<v Speaker 1>underneath ward's referencing them from and.

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<v Speaker 2>It's almost like the same old thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like the pull out they had before, which highlights

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<v Speaker 1>it takes information from one article different format though it's

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<v Speaker 1>a different format and that matters, And I guess how

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<v Speaker 1>it is that folks interpret, and I get that it's

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<v Speaker 1>a little different of how they may pull it off

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<v Speaker 1>on the back end, but yeah, it is.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's I think it's overblown, by the way.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're talking about investing. Don't let the different talking

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<v Speaker 2>heads on TV influence how you invest either. There was

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<v Speaker 2>a segment over on Fox Business where the economist Harry

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<v Speaker 2>Dent not to be confused with Harvey Dent, but he

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<v Speaker 2>predicted a stock mark crash worse than the two thousand

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<v Speaker 2>and eight crisis. The bubbles of all bubbles is what

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<v Speaker 2>he called it. And he's predicting an eighty six percent

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<v Speaker 2>drop in the SMP. That's bad news, man, that'd be historic. Which,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, this then reminds me of the phrase about

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<v Speaker 2>econdomists predicting nine of the last three recessions. So we

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<v Speaker 2>think this is also overblown, because, yeah, the stock market

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<v Speaker 2>might experience a meaningful decline of twenty percent even more,

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<v Speaker 2>that certainly could happen. Can we predict that when it's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna happen. There's no way or if it'll happen. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>pretty sure mister Dent that he's not going to be

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<v Speaker 2>able to predict it either. So we're pointing this out

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<v Speaker 2>because we want you to stay the course. And it

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<v Speaker 2>also makes me think about the reason so many folks

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<v Speaker 2>get airtime like this is because when you're being cautious

0:27:46.920 --> 0:27:49.200
<v Speaker 2>and you're calling for a correction, it's like, Hey, the

0:27:49.240 --> 0:27:51.760
<v Speaker 2>good times they're not gonna they're not gonna last. How

0:27:51.840 --> 0:27:54.480
<v Speaker 2>is that person perceived? They're seen as wise, they're seen

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<v Speaker 2>as prudent, as opposed to let's take out what history

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<v Speaker 2>has actually shown us over the paste hundred years, which

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<v Speaker 2>is that the stock market goes up three out of

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<v Speaker 2>every four years. What do you do with that information?

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<v Speaker 2>Will you say, oh, okay, then I'm just going to

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<v Speaker 2>continue to invest no matter what. Well, what is the

0:28:08.640 --> 0:28:11.760
<v Speaker 2>summary of if you take that sort of mindset, Oh,

0:28:11.800 --> 0:28:15.280
<v Speaker 2>you're seen as naive, you're pollyannish at the very least,

0:28:15.560 --> 0:28:17.720
<v Speaker 2>being the most interous. You're seeing as just overly optimistic.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's the reality. But obviously that doesn't get the headline,

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<v Speaker 2>that doesn't get the clicks.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't think it means that we're not seeing

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<v Speaker 1>any frothy behavior in the stock market or that there

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<v Speaker 1>isn't going to be some reversion to the meme because

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen outside gains over.

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<v Speaker 2>Talk to UST few years, Talk to me four years, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, talk to me after a decade.

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<v Speaker 1>I think if you're going to ask either of us,

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<v Speaker 1>will the stock market be at higher levels in four

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<v Speaker 1>years than it is today? I mean for sure?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes?

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<v Speaker 1>Does that mean we won't experience a lot of volatility

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<v Speaker 1>in between.

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<v Speaker 2>In the daytime? We probably will, But it doesn't matter

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<v Speaker 2>because we're not investing for the short term. Yeah, we're

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<v Speaker 2>investing for the long term. That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about spaving math. Have you heard of this

0:28:54.280 --> 0:28:57.960
<v Speaker 1>term before? I did not until this article. Okay, so

0:28:57.960 --> 0:29:01.320
<v Speaker 1>it's another dumb trend cult spaving that the USA Today

0:29:01.400 --> 0:29:03.200
<v Speaker 1>highlighted this week. And I don't know, maybe this is

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<v Speaker 1>just another term that the young kids are using and

0:29:05.440 --> 0:29:07.080
<v Speaker 1>you and I are too old to realize it. Now

0:29:07.440 --> 0:29:11.040
<v Speaker 1>we are over the hill. That's always stupid terms. We'll

0:29:11.040 --> 0:29:13.040
<v Speaker 1>get us stay up to speed on our vocabulary, though.

0:29:13.280 --> 0:29:16.000
<v Speaker 1>And so this is a new term though for something

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<v Speaker 1>it's old.

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<v Speaker 2>For Joel, your riz is off the chain this morning.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think he's say off the chain anymore? Run riz?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, Well, I was combining the two. Okay, it's like, yes.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, I appreciate like it, Yeah, nicely done, but okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So spaving is a new term for the age old

0:29:31.800 --> 0:29:34.760
<v Speaker 1>belief that you can save more by spending more. Is

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<v Speaker 1>letting the buy one get one fifty percent off deal

0:29:37.280 --> 0:29:39.880
<v Speaker 1>triggered to buy two things when you only needed one

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<v Speaker 1>because it feels like you're saving more in the process.

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<v Speaker 1>Or it's spending more to hit a free shipping threshold

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<v Speaker 1>when you weren't planning on buying those additional items in

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<v Speaker 1>the first place. We've all been there. I too have

0:29:51.160 --> 0:29:52.960
<v Speaker 1>had my mind hijacked in that way, Matt, so I

0:29:53.000 --> 0:29:56.320
<v Speaker 1>think this is a normal human condition. It's also it's

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<v Speaker 1>I would say, it's like spending more to hit a

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<v Speaker 1>credit card welcome bonus. It's right that you can earn

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<v Speaker 1>the eighty five thousand Southwest miles right now. We'll put

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<v Speaker 1>a link to that show notes if you want to

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<v Speaker 1>the details on how to get the Southwest Companion Pass

0:30:07.880 --> 0:30:10.040
<v Speaker 1>easier than ever given how many miles are throwing out there.

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<v Speaker 2>I just booked a kate Is Colorado trip for for

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<v Speaker 2>later this fall. I guess how much it costs me

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<v Speaker 2>to buy that second ticket nothing nine dollars and thirty

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<v Speaker 2>cents just for whatever the tax nine eleven ye charge exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>So those Southwest points coming super handy. But it's only

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<v Speaker 1>worth signing up for the credit card if you're not

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<v Speaker 1>having to manufacture spending to get there, which means having

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<v Speaker 1>to spend more than your normal budget allows for putting

0:30:32.600 --> 0:30:34.880
<v Speaker 1>you into debt that you can't pay off. Right, And

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<v Speaker 1>so if you know you're going to use that item

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<v Speaker 1>and you have the funds, or if you're buying in bulk,

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<v Speaker 1>you're stocking up spending more now to prolong your next purchase,

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<v Speaker 1>that's fine, but watch out for the marketing attempts trying

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<v Speaker 1>to make it sound like buying more is going to

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<v Speaker 1>save you more, it's going to perk your frugal ears up,

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<v Speaker 1>especially if you somebody like me. But ultimately it's a letdown,

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<v Speaker 1>and it means you've spent more than you than you

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<v Speaker 1>otherwise would have. And I feel like nothing gets in

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<v Speaker 1>that zone, Matt, as much as Black Friday and all

0:31:02.800 --> 0:31:05.000
<v Speaker 1>those deals like oh, you're a dummy if you don't

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<v Speaker 1>spend money this way because it's saving you money, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's like.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you actually need it, not really Nope. Yeah. It

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<v Speaker 2>makes me think of a recent article in the Atlantic

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<v Speaker 2>about the free trial trap, because, of course, who doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>want a free seven day trial or even like a

0:31:18.480 --> 0:31:21.640
<v Speaker 2>free month of service. But that offery doesn't exist out

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<v Speaker 2>of the goodness of that company's heart. It's a it's

0:31:24.320 --> 0:31:26.200
<v Speaker 2>a bait. It's to get a hook in your mouth.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's actually good news all the streaming front, because

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<v Speaker 2>we're seeing cancelations tick up to record numbers as the

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<v Speaker 2>different streaming services out there proliferate folks are realizing that

0:31:36.960 --> 0:31:39.640
<v Speaker 2>is eating up more of their monthly budget, and they're

0:31:39.680 --> 0:31:43.720
<v Speaker 2>cracking down the more folks are canceling everything like us,

0:31:43.920 --> 0:31:47.240
<v Speaker 2>they're opting to cancel a bit more indiscriminately at least.

0:31:47.240 --> 0:31:50.440
<v Speaker 2>But the free trial trap, man, the thing is real

0:31:50.520 --> 0:31:54.000
<v Speaker 2>because forgetting to cancel is costing folks big bucks. In

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<v Speaker 2>spider web, man, it's like it's more the fly, it's

0:31:56.360 --> 0:31:58.200
<v Speaker 2>a death by a thousand cuts because you don't think

0:31:58.200 --> 0:31:59.760
<v Speaker 2>it's that big of a deal, but all of those

0:31:59.760 --> 0:32:03.360
<v Speaker 2>things added up makes an impact. The US. They even

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<v Speaker 2>stued Adobe this week, did you see that over they

0:32:06.560 --> 0:32:09.960
<v Speaker 2>were making canceling too difficult for their customers. But It's

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<v Speaker 2>okay to try things before you buy, but don't forget,

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<v Speaker 2>like use a calendar reminder to ensure that you don't

0:32:15.760 --> 0:32:18.479
<v Speaker 2>forget to cancel that, like a couple of days at

0:32:18.560 --> 0:32:20.920
<v Speaker 2>least in advance, you know, because if you hit snows

0:32:20.960 --> 0:32:22.360
<v Speaker 2>or maybe if you click and drag it over to

0:32:22.360 --> 0:32:24.280
<v Speaker 2>the next day because you're like, ugh, I don't want

0:32:24.280 --> 0:32:26.600
<v Speaker 2>to do it today, give yourself a little bit of marginess.

0:32:27.120 --> 0:32:30.320
<v Speaker 2>There's a difference too, between again, between forgetting about it

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<v Speaker 2>versus just be becoming immune to those prices. And luckily,

0:32:33.920 --> 0:32:38.120
<v Speaker 2>more and more for folks are becoming less insulated from

0:32:38.160 --> 0:32:40.440
<v Speaker 2>those charges because there are so many of them, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the thing. It's you know, you're talking about part

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<v Speaker 2>time jobs earlier, Like that's what it takes in order

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<v Speaker 2>to manage all of the different subscription services out there.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a reason they give you free access for a

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<v Speaker 1>limited time because they know most people aren't going to cancel, Matt.

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<v Speaker 1>They realize I think we gave that statistic not too

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<v Speaker 1>long ago about people who signed up for Peacock to

0:32:59.800 --> 0:33:03.400
<v Speaker 1>watch the Chiefs Dolphins game back in the fall, and

0:33:03.520 --> 0:33:05.840
<v Speaker 1>people are so excited about that, and they sign up

0:33:06.440 --> 0:33:09.520
<v Speaker 1>for Peacock and then they never cancel, and maybe that's

0:33:09.560 --> 0:33:11.400
<v Speaker 1>the only thing they've watched on that service, but they're

0:33:11.440 --> 0:33:14.600
<v Speaker 1>still paying for it. The same thing with a gym membership. Man,

0:33:14.680 --> 0:33:17.440
<v Speaker 1>does any industry do it better than the gyms. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>talk about groceries for a second, and maybe whether or

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<v Speaker 1>not you should drive more in an attempt to save more.

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<v Speaker 1>There was an article in the Wall Street Journal citing

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<v Speaker 1>that more Americans are shopping around to save money. They're

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<v Speaker 1>hitting up various retailers in order to snag the specials

0:33:32.480 --> 0:33:35.960
<v Speaker 1>at each given store, even driving the cheaper area codes

0:33:36.320 --> 0:33:39.200
<v Speaker 1>to shop at less expensive stores. So made me think,

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<v Speaker 1>Matt like Publics is a grocery chain out of Florida

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<v Speaker 1>that we have some of them here in Georgia, actually

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of them, and they have a slew of

0:33:46.080 --> 0:33:48.520
<v Speaker 1>Bogo offers every week by wing get one free deals.

0:33:48.960 --> 0:33:51.960
<v Speaker 1>Those items can be a really good price if you're

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<v Speaker 1>buying just those Bogo deals at Publics, but the normal

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<v Speaker 1>prices are higher than basically every other grocery chain out there.

0:33:57.920 --> 0:34:01.000
<v Speaker 1>Publics has nice stores, and they charge more for almost

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<v Speaker 1>every item on their shelves than the discount chains You

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<v Speaker 1>and I like to shop at. So I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe you want to hit up publics but just based

0:34:08.280 --> 0:34:11.439
<v Speaker 1>on the Bogo deals and then you go somewhere else

0:34:11.640 --> 0:34:14.399
<v Speaker 1>to get more of your other groceries. The best way

0:34:14.440 --> 0:34:17.200
<v Speaker 1>to plan out your grocery purchases is to use the

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<v Speaker 1>website basically a digital tool like flip dot com flipp

0:34:21.800 --> 0:34:24.200
<v Speaker 1>dot com, so you can see all the sales flyers

0:34:24.239 --> 0:34:27.480
<v Speaker 1>in one place. That'll help you create a grocery saving strategy.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're the kind of person who says I'm willing

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<v Speaker 1>to not just go to a one stop shop or

0:34:31.920 --> 0:34:33.719
<v Speaker 1>to drive further to get to the discount place, maybe

0:34:33.719 --> 0:34:35.000
<v Speaker 1>I want to hit up two or three spots.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's I think that's the problem. That's my biggest

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<v Speaker 2>issue that I have with the journal with the headline,

0:34:39.040 --> 0:34:41.600
<v Speaker 2>which is them saying that hey, you can no longer

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<v Speaker 2>do the one stop shop. But that's not true. And

0:34:44.280 --> 0:34:47.640
<v Speaker 2>people they have so fallen into like they've fallen in

0:34:47.680 --> 0:34:49.319
<v Speaker 2>love with certain brands and they're like, oh, I got

0:34:49.320 --> 0:34:50.960
<v Speaker 2>to go to this store to get this because they're

0:34:51.000 --> 0:34:52.799
<v Speaker 2>the only place that sells that. I want to push

0:34:52.880 --> 0:34:55.040
<v Speaker 2>back on that a little bit, like you don't necessarily

0:34:55.080 --> 0:34:57.040
<v Speaker 2>need all the different options. You can just go to

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<v Speaker 2>Ald and not even look at the different deals at

0:34:59.560 --> 0:35:02.080
<v Speaker 2>the different grocery stores to save time and you you're

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<v Speaker 2>still going to save a ton of money. And I

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<v Speaker 2>know not everyone has an all D near them, but

0:35:05.719 --> 0:35:08.520
<v Speaker 2>they're dude. I feel like they're multiplying like rabbits, like

0:35:08.600 --> 0:35:10.759
<v Speaker 2>they're they're opening more and more of those stores are

0:35:10.760 --> 0:35:13.200
<v Speaker 2>opening all over the place. If you've never considered going

0:35:13.200 --> 0:35:15.000
<v Speaker 2>to an Aldi, you've got to check it out.

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<v Speaker 1>We're legal as well as a cousin to Aldi. That's

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<v Speaker 1>where we shot were.

0:35:19.440 --> 0:35:22.399
<v Speaker 2>It's we're slightly more complex, fancier cousin of Ald.

0:35:22.520 --> 0:35:26.360
<v Speaker 1>Is how I view letal. They're pretty similar legal and costco.

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<v Speaker 1>That's they get the bulk of our grocery dollars. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think the time and energy it takes and the

0:35:32.000 --> 0:35:34.080
<v Speaker 1>additional planning it takes to shop in a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>different grocery stores, you got to figure out how much

0:35:36.520 --> 0:35:38.840
<v Speaker 1>are you actually saving and whether it's worth the hours

0:35:38.840 --> 0:35:41.839
<v Speaker 1>you're putting into. So that's why I'm going to a

0:35:41.840 --> 0:35:44.320
<v Speaker 1>place like all the or Legal, like trying to really

0:35:44.560 --> 0:35:47.200
<v Speaker 1>get the bulk of your stuff at one store, but

0:35:47.320 --> 0:35:49.600
<v Speaker 1>the cheapest store is probably the best, best, the way

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<v Speaker 1>to do it. Yeah, all right, Matt, that's going to

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