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Speaker 1: Part two, the Louis t K Edition. Now. Several of

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Speaker 1: his workplace to watch him master it in his office

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Speaker 1: was appropriate. The Times article says he proposed his favorite

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Speaker 1: sex act to the pair of women he didn't know

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Speaker 1: but who admired him as soon as they sat down

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Speaker 1: in her room wrapped in their winter jackets and hats.

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Speaker 1: When they quote lacked it off, he did it anyway,

433
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Speaker 1: c K. It would have his fans believe that he

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Speaker 1: honestly thought this would be erotically pleasing for the two

435
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,160
Speaker 1: bundled up women that he truly believed that he had

436
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 1: their concerts exactly because it has nothing to do with

437
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Speaker 1: their interests or desires. He's totally disrespectful and ignorant of

438
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Speaker 1: and not interested in understanding what they want and desire

439
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 1: in that moment, because it sure's how it wasn't going

440
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 1: to be to watch him masturbate. Yes, duh, absolutely accurate.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna get into a little bit more about why

442
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Speaker 1: c K's allegations seemed a little bit different from the others.

443
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Speaker 1: After this quick break and we're back, and we were

444
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Speaker 1: just talking about Luis c K and really why it

445
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,159
Speaker 1: was so tempting to maybe give him a pass to say, oh,

446
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 1: is his statement was good, And I really do think

447
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,920
Speaker 1: it's because of how he functions in the comedy world.

448
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 1: First of all, as The New York Times points out,

449
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Speaker 1: the man is a comedy legend. He's so successful. He

450
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Speaker 1: sold out Madison Square Garden, his show is huge. He's

451
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Speaker 1: really should have known as kind of a eastmaker and

452
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Speaker 1: the comedy in Hollywood. So I wonder if that played

453
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Speaker 1: into why these allegations went unaddressed for so long. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: You know what's ironic and now very horrifying, is that

455
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Speaker 1: Louis c K built a reputation as the unlikely conscience

456
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Speaker 1: of a comedy scene. As written in The New York Times,

457
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Speaker 1: they go on to say, he made audiences laugh about hypocrisy,

458
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Speaker 1: especially male hypocrisy. And I think that's exactly why men

459
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Speaker 1: like c K can be so insidious, because they make

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Speaker 1: you believe that they're these woke progressive feminists. They get it,

461
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,200
Speaker 1: they get what the women are going through, they get

462
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,959
Speaker 1: their own role in it. But just saying the right

463
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Speaker 1: stuff about gender doesn't actually make you a feminist exactly.

464
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Speaker 1: His work really underscored and played up the grossness of men,

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Speaker 1: which made him kind of endearing. For instance, take his

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Speaker 1: classic joke about how dating men is dangerous. He says,

467
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Speaker 1: how do women still go out with guys when you

468
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Speaker 1: consider that there is no greater threat to women than

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Speaker 1: men were the number one threat to women globally and

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Speaker 1: historically we are the number one cause of injury and

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Speaker 1: mayhem to women, which, by the way, I never thought

472
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Speaker 1: was that funny because it's so freaking true, you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that was like a scary, real joke. But

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Speaker 1: he got people laughing because he's the oh, like, we're

475
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 1: so bad, like terrible men, like oh self deprecation on

476
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 1: steroids totally. And I have just a hard time seeing

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Speaker 1: through this when it's happening, and like the guy is

478
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Speaker 1: in my good graces. But after that that, it's so

479
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Speaker 1: easy to call this out for what it is exactly.

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Speaker 1: And you know who did that beautifully is Francesca Ramsey,

481
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 1: who really articulated this in the perfect way on stage

482
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Speaker 1: just earlier this week. I think what really is the

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Speaker 1: worst is like looking back on his material and realizing

484
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Speaker 1: that he was doing all of this stuff to get

485
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Speaker 1: like head pats for being like a woke white guy

486
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 1: who like understands it's hard to be a woman like you, dude.

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Speaker 1: He was telling jokes about himself. He was going up

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Speaker 1: and telling jokes about how hard it was to be

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Speaker 1: a woman because guys are cools, and he was talking

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Speaker 1: about himself, and he was getting millions of dollars for it.

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Speaker 1: And it's just, honestly, I could not have put it

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Speaker 1: better myself. Um, I think it's I think she's absolutely

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00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 1: spot on, right. We all kind of bought into this

494
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 1: idea of Louis c k as this feminist truth teller.

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00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 1: There's actually a Salon article about all about how he's

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Speaker 1: a male feminist comedian and it's this new thing, and

497
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: I just think we bought it, and he was making

498
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 1: millions doing it. Underscores to me just how enraged we

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00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 1: all should be about it. Absolutely, And I think the

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Speaker 1: fact that we gave him money for telling jokes about

501
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 1: his own gross disturbing behavior really say something about us.

502
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Speaker 1: Over at g Q, they write c K two had

503
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Speaker 1: a rep for being painfully honest, particularly in regard to

504
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 1: his own shortcomings as a husband, father, and man. In general.

505
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 1: Looking back, it feels like c k's entire ubra was

506
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 1: less a deployment of harsh truths than a deft way

507
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 1: of laundering them, masking his truly unforgivable behavior. He was

508
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 1: strategically vulnerable, always in control of his own narrative. He

509
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 1: almost certainly got more Catharsis out of his act than

510
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 1: his audience did. C K also had a habit of

511
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: presuming his own personal flaws, his inner racism, his sexual hangouts, etcetera,

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00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 1: were universal aspects of the human condition. I know that

513
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,360
Speaker 1: playbook well, and it's often used by a white dude

514
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 1: who thinks everyone else also thinks like a white dude,

515
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: which I'm sure many white dudes do, but like it doesn't.

516
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: It's not exactly inclusive comedy like that. That's why that

517
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 1: joke about men being the number one deadliest threat to

518
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: women was not funny to me. Right, But again, I

519
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: think a certain kind of man see c K and says,

520
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: if I think like him, I'm a good guy. I'm

521
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 1: a progressive. I can be gross, I can do all

522
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: these gross things. I mean. He had an episode of

523
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Speaker 1: his show Louis where he basically tries to rape Pamuela

524
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 1: Alden's character, and it's sort of framed as, Oh, he's

525
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,719
Speaker 1: just this bumbling guy who doesn't know how to how

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Speaker 1: to be with women, and looking back, it's like, why

527
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 1: did we entertain that? Why did we allow that to

528
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 1: be wrapped up and kind of a you know, a

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00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 1: fluffy bow. Another episode that I actually had forgotten about

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Speaker 1: until just now is Louis. You know, he's this sort

531
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 1: of chronically single, can't get a date, hapless guy who

532
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: doesn't understand women, and it's supposed to be lovable on

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Speaker 1: the show. He goes to a supermarket and there's a

534
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Speaker 1: black woman behind the checkout counter and he buys like

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Speaker 1: a dozen roses and he says, these are for you,

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Speaker 1: and she's like, I can't accept these roses. I don't

537
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 1: want them. And he's like, no, I'm I bought them

538
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: for you. I bought them for you. She's like, no,

539
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 1: I'm not interested. He then waits until she gets off

540
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Speaker 1: of her job. He follows her back to her apartment

541
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Speaker 1: and this is New York, so she lives in like

542
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: hard limits and it's involves, you know. He gets on

543
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 1: the subway with her and he goes back to her apartment,

544
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: and it's like trying to woo her after she's made

545
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: it very very clear that she's not interested, and the

546
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: episode is played for sort of. He's this romantic guy

547
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: who's trying his best to woo this girl who could

548
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: not have made it any more clear that she's not

549
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: into it. And what's worse is that the girl actually

550
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: gives this very pointed kind of monologue about what's happening

551
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: and why it's messed up. She says, you think this

552
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: is gonna be something where you come to the hood

553
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: and like come to Harlem and like make my day

554
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: and like buy me flowers, and it's supposed to be

555
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: so nice. I'm not into it. It's not romantic, it's

556
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: not cool, and you're thinking, oh, maybe he gets it.

557
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: But then here's the kicker. It's played for laughs because

558
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: as he's leaving her apartment, he sees another black woman

559
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: and they have like what is supposed to be humorous sex.

560
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: So basically essentially stalks a woman all the way through

561
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: her work day on the subway back to her home.

562
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: After she's like you need to leave her, I'm basically

563
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: calling the coups. He sleeps with another woman and it's

564
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: supposed to be funny and charming, and I wonder where

565
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: we all just caught up in that and exactly what

566
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: Francesca was saying, this sort of bumbling white guy progressivism

567
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 1: that we kind of got dupe in at think k

568
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: that was cool. I think he is playing up the

569
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: very real problem that our society has on understanding consent.

570
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 1: I think the confusion around consent is honest. Clearly he

571
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: doesn't understand that when your doubt in the workplace, even

572
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: if it is a hotel room after a comedy show,

573
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: in front of two women who could not have looked

574
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: or seemed less interested, is not okay. So I think

575
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: this like hapless learning what consent means, Like clearly he

576
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: needs to understand what eighteen year olds are hopefully getting

577
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 1: through their heads a little more. Then it's like a

578
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 1: generational thing. Not that that's a pass, but I think

579
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 1: his comedy resonated because there is real confusion in this

580
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 1: country about what consent actually means. And once you add

581
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: power in a sense of entitlement to it, which white

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00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: men in our country seem to have an oversized amount

583
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 1: of right now and historically, then that's a that's a

584
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: pretty dangerous comment nation, a lack of respect around consent,

585
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: an outsized estimation of your own awesomeness right about your

586
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: own sex appeal perhaps or your entitlement and your power,

587
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: and an actual outsized amount of power in this country.

588
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: I would also go further and say an outsized estimation

589
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: of your own feminism right, because I do think him

590
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: being sort of appointed as quote feminist dude perhaps did

591
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: give him a lot of leeway to make art that

592
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: we weren't super critical about, in addition to getting away

593
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: with things that were really inappropriate. That's why I love

594
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: this piece that Sarah Dittman put out at a new Statement.

595
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: She says it's typical of the low standards men benefit

596
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: from that simply describing how men are bad for women

597
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: could be enough to get c. K lauded as a

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00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: hero of the women's movement, in the same way that

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00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: a male primary school teacher who simply shows up for

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00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: work long enough can find himself glass elevator to the

601
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: head of leadership. Just dropping some about sex and power

602
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: can be enough to have a man seen appointed to

603
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: top feminist and if like seeking he seems to be

604
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: admitting to personal foibles as he goes, then he can

605
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: be praised all the more for his honesty. Yeah, the

606
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: bar is so low. The bar is so low for

607
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: male feminists is in the public eye and the entertainment industry,

608
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: And isn't interesting how a lot of times these notable

609
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: male feminists find themselves kind of dealing with this kind

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00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: of thing. I'm thinking of folks like Jamie Kilsten, Josh Sweden,

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00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: all of these men that sort of appoint themselves as

612
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: these feminist heroes. Sometimes they end up being kind of gross,

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00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: I'm kind of sleazy and using their feminist street cred

614
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: to prey on women. Yeah. I can almost hear the

615
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: guy listening though, saying like, what am I too much

616
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: of a feminist now? It's like kind of how Matt

617
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: McGorry got a lot of shade after he was like

618
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: a little too from I almost wonder if it's one

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00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: of those Malcolm Gladwell style sticking points where when you're

620
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: you're like woke, and then you get to a point

621
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: where it's like it's too woke, and then you're like

622
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 1: something's about to turn it down. Yeah, something's about to

623
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: It's like something that something has to give. It's the

624
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: it's the idea of like um pass the mic exactly

625
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: just as a personal thing. When a man vocally and

626
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: loudly calls himself a feminist, I'm always a little skeptical.

627
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, I just feel as though if you actually

628
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: are truly down with the cause, you're not just talking

629
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: about it and tweeting about it. You're actually out there

630
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: being a good guy. You're actually out there passing, passing

631
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: the mic and elevating women's vas. You're actually out there

632
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: checking your bros when they do something inappropriate to a

633
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: woman when they can't call a woman. You're actually out

634
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: there walking the walk, not just talking the talk. Yes,

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00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: you know. I actually heard Wade Davis speak at Mobilizing

636
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,959
Speaker 1: the Power of Women, the elevat Networks conference in New

637
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: York earlier this year, and when he got up as

638
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: one of the handful of keynote speakers in the morning

639
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: of the conference, the first thing he said was, listen,

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Speaker 1: I'm not here to get brownie points. I think there's

641
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: a lot of things wrong with the men who get

642
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: up at these conferences just get brownie points. So like

643
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: is not about me, And I come to you humbly

644
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: and like I'm here to learn and listen. And I

645
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: was just like, damn, you don't get that kind of

646
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: a message from a lot of speakers period, but especially

647
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: as an expert in diversity and an inclusion which he

648
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: is a former NFL player, an educator, and a diversitating

649
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: inclusion consultant. You know, he was incredibly tactful and how

650
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:29,280
Speaker 1: he walked the walk, which it definitely your actions speak

651
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 1: louder than your words when it comes to this kind

652
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,800
Speaker 1: of thing. Well, I think these kind of big public

653
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,879
Speaker 1: moments like that can really be models for how men

654
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 1: can get it right and men can get it wrong.

655
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 1: And I gotta say I was a little disappointed by

656
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: one of our faves, John Stewart, looking back at footage

657
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,240
Speaker 1: of him being asked about these allegations, it's mortifying. Basically,

658
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 1: he dismisses it as quote some internet thing, right, he

659
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,399
Speaker 1: doesn't even really take the rumor seriously and he's kind

660
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 1: of just brushes them off. And that video today, you know,

661
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: it's a few years old, but watching it in light

662
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: of the recent allegations coming out to be true, it

663
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 1: really doesn't play well. But conversely, I thought it was

664
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: interesting that thirty year x Judy Friedlander really showed a

665
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: different model for how Ckse comedy colleagues could really hold

666
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 1: him accountable and support the women were coming forward. When

667
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 1: Freedlander was asked about sexual assault in the comedy world,

668
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 1: he said, there's a big rumor. I think you know

669
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: who I'm talking about. I've only ever read things on Gawker.

670
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 1: I got a loaded to it a year ago when

671
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 1: it was online. I don't generally deal with him. He's

672
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: been to me, so I know nothing about it. But

673
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: if anyone in the comedy community has been abused by anyone,

674
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: I support them a hundred percent. Whoever's doing it, no

675
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 1: matter how big or small, I hope they do time

676
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: for the crime. And you know, I bet that wasn't

677
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 1: an easy thing to do. I bet that did have

678
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: consequences for him. But there's a right way to be

679
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: an ally when you're a man, and there's a wrong

680
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: way to be an ally when you're a man. And

681
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: I think moments like this really show us how folks

682
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 1: can get it right or get it wrong. Yeah, and

683
00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 1: it it involves taking risks to your own personal professional

684
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 1: credibility or potential, you know, like calling out like the

685
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: big fish in the scene does not come without consequences.

686
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, Let's take a quick break and talk a

687
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,240
Speaker 1: bit more about what this means for c K's movies

688
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 1: and for the media landscape going forward. And we're back.

689
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 1: We were just talking about Louis c K and sort

690
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: of how he was able to function as a creep

691
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: in Hollywood for so long. And I would be ever

692
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: missed to talk about Louis c K without mentioning that creepy,

693
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 1: creepy movie I Love You Daddy. To me, there is

694
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 1: no better evidence of how secure c K felt in

695
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 1: his status and in his standing in Hollywood and in

696
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: the New York comedy scene, and the fact that he

697
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 1: felt it was appropriate and a good idea to write, direct,

698
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,240
Speaker 1: and self finance a movie called I Love You Daddy

699
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: that deals heavily with a seventeen year old high school

700
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 1: student possibly having sexual relations with a much older man,

701
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: mind you, in the style of other potentially noted creep

702
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 1: Woody Allen. Yeah basically is a film whose plotline plays

703
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: homage to the Woody Allen era in which, like this creative, fumbling,

704
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: bumbling older man finds inspiration in a muse who is

705
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 1: like basically barely legal or in this case, not legal. Yeah,

706
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 1: if you've ever seen Manhattan, I Love You Daddy, Basically

707
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,879
Speaker 1: it's an homage to Manhattan, wherein I think it's Brookshields

708
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 1: with fifteen is the love interest for very adult Woody Allen,

709
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: and it's just seen as a thing. And I think

710
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: the fact that Louis c k decided to pay homage

711
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: to Woody Allen, in my mind, it just makes me think, like, wow,

712
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: you really were Like this is like a this is

713
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 1: not subtle, right, Actually I have a Madison had a

714
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: great tweet about something else, but it reminded me so

715
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: much of this. This is like a movie wherein the

716
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: serial killer sends taunting letters to the police. It's like,

717
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: we get it, dude, you're a creep, Like how many

718
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: other ways could you try to tell us that you're

719
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 1: a creep? It's so insane and you're right like the

720
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: hootspah on this guy to think that he could get

721
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: away with that while he's busy doing this kind of

722
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: jerk off, you know, assault type strategy, Like why would

723
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,879
Speaker 1: you do that? Because you no longer fear consequences because

724
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: you're very powerful and you're untouchable, or so he thought,

725
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: and you're powerful friends will all fall in line to

726
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: protect you, because you're a great comedian like that, Like,

727
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,280
Speaker 1: it's no question to me that he very clearly felt secure,

728
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,359
Speaker 1: secure enough to make what I feel Like it's such

729
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: an obvious, horrible idea of a movie, particularly in this

730
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 1: cultural climate, Like, even if these allegations about him never

731
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: came to light, even if they never came to be true,

732
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: maybe a movie about your seventeen year old daughter having

733
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: sex with a grown man and your sort of moral

734
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 1: ambiguity around that is weird regardless it to make a

735
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 1: movie like that in this climate and think it will

736
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: just be fine. Yeah, And while to be clear, we

737
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: have not seen this film ourselves. Alexandra Schwartz and The

738
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 1: New Yorker sums it up in really what she describes

739
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: as the only generous way to read I Love You, Daddy,

740
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: which she says is as a portrait of male cowardice.

741
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 1: What kind of man would be so shamefully pathetic as

742
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,839
Speaker 1: to avoid confronting the famous geezer who may or may

743
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: not be screwing his underage daughter because that geezer has

744
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: offered to read his latest script, The same man presumably

745
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:49,240
Speaker 1: who winces but doesn't intervene, as his Dumbo comedian buddy

746
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: Charlie Day describes at gleeful length all the ways that

747
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 1: the man's daughter has probably been done spring Break, As

748
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: is often the case with the roles that Louis writes

749
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 1: for himself, if there is a strong note of masochistic

750
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: pleasure in this extreme passivity. Louis famously obsessive and controlling

751
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: of his work. He writes, he directs, the edits, he acts,

752
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: he produces, he distributes, he does it all. Likes to

753
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: play losers who are at the mercy of others. Often

754
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 1: those others are women. It's hard not to wonder, in

755
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:26,439
Speaker 1: the wake of Thursday's revelations, to what extent Louis has

756
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: used this persona to shield his reputation. But cowardice is

757
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 1: not just an avoidance of a moral stance. It is

758
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,800
Speaker 1: a moral stance too, and not a flattering one. So basically,

759
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 1: in the movie, he he's got this powerful older filmmaker

760
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,800
Speaker 1: who he really admires, who he doesn't necessarily want to

761
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,479
Speaker 1: confront about whether or not he's sleeping with his teenage daughter,

762
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: And like we're supposed to empathize with that kind of ambiguity, right,

763
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: and just like you were talking about before, how his

764
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 1: comedy and his show kind of served to launder his

765
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: own behavior and sort of put this sort of mask

766
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,439
Speaker 1: of what does it all mean? Let's ask quote tough

767
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: questions about bad behavior of men and just asking questions

768
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: right Like, I feel like the film really sort of

769
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: puts a veneer of this is these are smart, alreadie

770
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: people having smart already conversations about whether it's cool to

771
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,280
Speaker 1: have sex with the fourteen year old. It almost sounds

772
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 1: like he's using his art or the this character that

773
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: he seems to play over and over again as a

774
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 1: way of denying his own responsibility in his own life. Absolutely,

775
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: maybe I'm not doing this, Maybe it's all just happening

776
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: to me exactly, infinite victimhood that honestly, I dated people

777
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,359
Speaker 1: every every like dude I've dated. It is like I'm

778
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: just the victim here, and a lot of the controlling

779
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 1: and abuse of men that I've encountered in my life,

780
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 1: whether I was in a relationship with them or not,

781
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 1: are constantly feeling like victor, like hapless SAPs that just

782
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:03,919
Speaker 1: you know, I just want to love and be loved.

783
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: I think Louis plays that up so much. And I

784
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 1: think it's no coincidence that you see that in men

785
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,800
Speaker 1: who can come off a little controlling in Toxic. Is

786
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: that constant shirking of responsibility by seeing you as a

787
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 1: victim of your own life instead of having any agency

788
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:21,760
Speaker 1: or power or responsibility over your actions so common place.

789
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: It's so common, And I think kind of back to

790
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,919
Speaker 1: the movie. Even though I think I've talked at length

791
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 1: about how gross I think this movie is even beyond that,

792
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 1: something that really troubles me is that we give men

793
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: like Loui the space to tell these stories. I'm in

794
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 1: general sick of the overcrowding of our media landscape with

795
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 1: stories like this, stories about men grappling with you know,

796
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 1: wanting to younger women and all of that. I just

797
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 1: am done with that, right. Something that I often say

798
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 1: that people give me a lot of heat for is

799
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,359
Speaker 1: I don't actually read books by men. I'm just sick

800
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 1: of it. Something against men. I just I get it.

801
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,240
Speaker 1: I feel like we have heard these stories so often.

802
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: What new thing could Louis c K tell us about,

803
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: you know, the human experience? Right? And I just feel like,

804
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:17,320
Speaker 1: for so long we have given men this pass to

805
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 1: make whatever kind of stories they make and people just

806
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: take it seriously. Well, that's why Tigna Taro's One Mississippi

807
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 1: is so refreshing. Which, by the way, did you hear

808
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: her interview that chucked in on It's a it's a

809
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 1: amazing I love Taro And again, she was one of

810
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: the earliest people to really call c K out. And

811
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,760
Speaker 1: that's another thing that really pissed me off about the situation.

812
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: How many women, how many women showrunners, women front runners,

813
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 1: are gonna go down because of c ks Pamula Auden's

814
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: better things. She is out there like doing her own

815
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: show about complicated women made of a certain age, stories

816
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: that you don't see. Is his situation going to like

817
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: taint her project? Is situation going to taint? Take Nataro's

818
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: project because he sort of like helped her get famous.

819
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: Because when you look at allegations of wrongdoing by men,

820
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: so often we expect the women in their orbit to

821
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,879
Speaker 1: answer for their wrong doings. Look at Hillary Clinton, look

822
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: at Huma ab Deen, right, how often do we expect

823
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,879
Speaker 1: women who are in the orbit of powerful men, who

824
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: who mess up, who mess up? How often do we

825
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 1: look at them and say, like, where was she? What

826
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: did she do it was a relationship stand by your

827
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: man or not kind of song gets played over and

828
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 1: over again, but hopefully because Louis E. K is not

829
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: romantically attached to any of these women, that won't happen.

830
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,839
Speaker 1: But when I think about Pamula Alden, I only think

831
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 1: about her in relation to c K, and I think

832
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 1: that there was a creatively correct I was just reading

833
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 1: earlier today about how in comedy for women, so often

834
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: women aren't taken seriously as creators until they are attached

835
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: to a powerful man. I love Ray's Insecure, but it

836
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 1: was really Larry Wilmore kind of putting a stamp on

837
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: that her where she is and got her that recognition

838
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 1: and saying, Okay, we'll give her some legitimacy as a

839
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 1: content creator. Yeah. And I feel like either way is

840
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: such a good example, like to your Natara of like

841
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 1: maybe we should give women comedians more money to make

842
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 1: more creative stuff. There are so many more stories to

843
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: be told than this Woody Allen bs rerun absolutely absolutely correct,

844
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: and again I'm hoping that this moment will really be

845
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: a sea change, not just around the fact that we're

846
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,320
Speaker 1: sick of powerful men getting away with sex crimes. But

847
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 1: also we're sick of the stories of men dominating our

848
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 1: media landscape. I hope this moment is a galvanizing one

849
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: for women content creators and women comedians, women writers, women directors,

850
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 1: and every aspect from agents and managers to people who

851
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:49,320
Speaker 1: are behind the camera. I want this to be a

852
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 1: moment that says, listen, men have had their run in Hollywood.

853
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: It's our turn. Clearly, you're messing everything up. Clearly you

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Speaker 1: can't keep it in your pants. Clearly we're all sick

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Speaker 1: of it. An you know what else, We're sick of

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Speaker 1: your stories because they're whack and tired. Sit out and

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Speaker 1: let us have a chance at the helm. Yes. Also

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Speaker 1: did o that for politics? Yes, and all the things.

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Speaker 1: Really like everything. I know, people chafe at that idea

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Speaker 1: of like, you've had your turn, give us a shot.

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Speaker 1: But that is valid. That is a valid and I

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Speaker 1: think I couldn't have said it better myself. The good

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Speaker 1: news is that you don't have to look very far

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Speaker 1: for evidence that the market is hungry for more stories,

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Speaker 1: not the Woody Allen rerun. Even this past weekend, women

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Speaker 1: led films were crushing it at the box office. The

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Speaker 1: New Francis McDorman movie called Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri,

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Speaker 1: open to the third highest purse screen average for any

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Speaker 1: movie this year, with a stellar three dollar take from

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Speaker 1: just four screens. It played alongside the movie with the

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Speaker 1: highest purse screen opening of that year, the Greta Gerwig

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Speaker 1: written and directed and Sores Ronan starring Lady Bird, which

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Speaker 1: earned per screen in its debut and widened in its

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Speaker 1: second weekend to become a bona fide specialty cinema smash hit,

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Speaker 1: which f y I. I saw Ladybird over the weekend,

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Speaker 1: and honestly, it doesn't surprise me that a movie that

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Speaker 1: treats young women as actual thinking beings who have desires

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Speaker 1: and needs and all of that, as fully authentic people

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Speaker 1: was a smash hit this past week and and it

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Speaker 1: can really be seen in tandem with Luis c K's

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Speaker 1: I Love You Daddy. We're in his seventeen year old daughter.

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Speaker 1: It's just this object of desire right exactly exactly that.

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Speaker 1: And so I don't think it's a coincidence at all

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Speaker 1: that these authentic women fronted movies with these strong female

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Speaker 1: protagonists have been doing dang busters in light of all

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Speaker 1: these horrible allegations against powerful men in Hollywood. I also

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Speaker 1: see this playing out on the small screen. By the way,

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Speaker 1: how I am hungry for women led dramas. I think

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Speaker 1: The Crown was doing incredibly well. We've already discussed how

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Speaker 1: Reese Weatherspoon's production studio is changing the game with things

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Speaker 1: like Big Little Lies. I think as a TV fiend

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Speaker 1: who doesn't really actually get to the movies very often,

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Speaker 1: I don't know why. I'm not really a movie person,

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Speaker 1: but I am a TV series binge watcher extraordina um.

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Speaker 1: I see this playing out in my Netflix account as well,

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Speaker 1: and I want more of it. It's kind of like

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Speaker 1: music too. I give my dad and a lot of

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Speaker 1: the guy friends in my life a lot of credit

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Speaker 1: for introducing me to some of the most iconic bands

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Speaker 1: that I've ever loved, a lot of classic rock. And

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Speaker 1: then I realized, in the past decade, you don't listen

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Speaker 1: to any women lead bands, Like, what is wrong with you?

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Speaker 1: Let me introduce you to some bands that you've been

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Speaker 1: missing out on. As a musical artist, who you've been

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Speaker 1: missing out on? Although to his credit, my dad did

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Speaker 1: introduce me to Janelle Money. Oh what ye dadda dad?

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Speaker 1: Aries my Jewish white father went to a Jenelle Money

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Speaker 1: concert solo in Hartford, Connecticut, twenty minutes of our house,

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Speaker 1: in the pouring rain, stayed to like meet her backstage.

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Speaker 1: Pretty sure he was the only white Jewish suburban father

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Speaker 1: in the whole place, by the way, and got her signed.

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Speaker 1: I was sure. She was like, where's your adopted black daughter? Oh?

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Speaker 1: He was so proud. I love it. I love it well,

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Speaker 1: sminthy listeners, we want to hear from you. What was

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Speaker 1: your take on Louis's statement about these allegations? Did it

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Speaker 1: seem genuine to you? Why am I not? What's your

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Speaker 1: take on why men masturbade in front of women who

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Speaker 1: are non consenting? And did anybody else sort of catch

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Speaker 1: themselves like me being too easily placated and then thankfully

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Speaker 1: getting enraged all over again the more I read about this,

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Speaker 1: and is that problematic? Like do you find yourself too

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Speaker 1: easily placated by the celebrities you formerly admired? Um in

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Speaker 1: a statement of quote unquote apology like this one, It's

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Speaker 1: easy to do, totally understandable. So hit us up on

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Speaker 1: Mom Never Told You. On Twitter, at mom Stuff podcast

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