WEBVTT - 01/27/22 DPS Best Of 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:03.640 You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 0:00:03.680 --> 0:00:08.119 Sports Radio. Tom Pelisera has been a busy guy NFL insider. 0:00:08.360 --> 0:00:11.559 You can follow him on Twitter at Tom Pelisero. And 0:00:11.880 --> 0:00:14.800 this Sunday, a special six hour edition of NFL Game 0:00:14.880 --> 0:00:18.880 Day Morning airs at nine am Eastern on the NFL Network. 0:00:19.360 --> 0:00:22.239 Tom broke the news this morning that Nathaniel Hackett, the 0:00:22.280 --> 0:00:25.720 offensive coordinator from the Packers, is going to be the 0:00:25.760 --> 0:00:29.360 head coach of the Denver Broncos. Tom, thanks for joining us. 0:00:29.560 --> 0:00:33.040 Who is Nathaniel Hackett and why did he get this job? 0:00:34.080 --> 0:00:38.720 Nathaniel Hackett, Dan is a fascinating Guy's forty two years old. 0:00:39.400 --> 0:00:42.080 He's been a longtime coach, going all the way back 0:00:42.080 --> 0:00:45.560 to his days in Buffalo with the Bills at Syracuse 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:48.960 down in Jacksonville where I was in attendance at Hinesfield 0:00:48.960 --> 0:00:51.880 after the twenty seventeen season when the Jaguars with Blake 0:00:51.960 --> 0:00:54.920 Bortles at quarterback, put up forty five points on Pittsburgh 0:00:55.080 --> 0:00:58.160 to go to the AFC Championship Game. He ended up 0:00:58.600 --> 0:01:01.240 getting dismissed there the fallow year amidst a whole bunch 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:04.320 of injuries on offense, but landed in Green Bay with 0:01:04.400 --> 0:01:08.000 Matt Lafleur and Aaron Rodgers, and has really flourished in 0:01:08.080 --> 0:01:11.640 his role. He's pasted several years. He's a unique individual 0:01:11.840 --> 0:01:14.840 in terms of the way that he presents. He is 0:01:14.959 --> 0:01:19.520 very into technology, he's into analytics, he's into pop culture. 0:01:19.680 --> 0:01:22.720 He finds different ways to reach this generation of players. 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:24.760 And I don't just mean, you know, the twenty twenty 0:01:24.760 --> 0:01:27.160 one year old millennials or whatever we're calling them, but 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:29.600 even the likes of Aaron Rodgers, who's a veteran quarterback 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:32.800 has heard it all for twenty plus years playing football 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:36.039 at every level, and Rogers has want to Hack It's 0:01:36.080 --> 0:01:39.080 biggest fans, to the point that last year, when Hacking 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:41.680 got his first head coaching interview with the Falcons, Aaron 0:01:41.800 --> 0:01:45.080 Rodgers called Atlanta and said, you need to hire this guy. 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:48.040 So the fact that now he's getting the Broncos job 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:49.880 at a time that Danie might have heard there are 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:52.800 some questions about where Aaron Rodgers we play in football 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:56.400 in twenty twenty two, if anywhere, It's a really good 0:01:56.400 --> 0:01:59.280 fit for a bunch of different reasons. And I'll tell 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:02.600 you this, he's so high energy. Nathaniel Hackett is nobody's 0:02:02.600 --> 0:02:04.760 gonna fall asleep in his meetings. He's going to give 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:07.240 the most entertaining press conferences in the league. And they 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:08.720 think he's gonna win a lot of football games for 0:02:08.800 --> 0:02:10.800 him too. But I wonder you go in in the 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:15.400 interviewing process in Denver, does John Elway say, if we 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:18.480 give you this job, can we get Aaron Rodgers? Like, 0:02:18.800 --> 0:02:22.559 how do you would he get this job as standalone? 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:25.079 You get the job to be fair to his resume, 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:28.560 and how much is the possibility of getting Aaron Rodgers 0:02:28.720 --> 0:02:31.640 attached to this? Well, the Broncos were going through this 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:34.680 process and general manager George Peyton has been the one 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:37.919 leading it. They knew that they couldn't hire a coach 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:41.560 based solely on a contingency that may or may not happen. 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:45.120 Of course, last year, Denver was the most linked spot 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:48.800 to Aaron Rodgers. Rogers at various points told people that 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:50.720 Denver was a place he wanted to go. He may 0:02:50.760 --> 0:02:53.679 have even thought that's where he would potentially end up. 0:02:53.880 --> 0:02:55.480 And that was at a time that you had Vic 0:02:55.560 --> 0:02:58.760 Fangio as the head coach and Pat Shermer was the 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:03.280 offensive coordinator. So now you have Hackett there he's going 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:06.200 to in all likelihood hire at least one Packers assistant. 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:09.280 Adam Stenovich, who's the offensive line coach run game coordinator, 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:11.720 really well respected, use like seventy five different old line 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:15.720 combinations this year with Bok tri out and managed to 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:18.160 make it work. There's going to be familiarity there with 0:03:18.240 --> 0:03:21.720 the system, with the coaches. It would only heighten the 0:03:21.840 --> 0:03:24.920 possibility the Rogers could land there. But they did a 0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:28.359 thorough search. You know. Peyton had one of the most 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:32.120 expansive search parties. They had I think seven people who 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:34.520 traveled around on the plane. They had other people involved 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:38.880 on Zoom. They had different perspectives from different people, and 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:41.240 he spent time with ten different candidates during the process, 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:44.200 almost all of them in person, which is rare because 0:03:44.200 --> 0:03:46.360 in this cycle. One thing that came out of COVID 0:03:46.480 --> 0:03:48.360 was everyone was like, Hey, the zoom thing is great. 0:03:48.520 --> 0:03:50.760 We'll just do a dozen or in the Bears case, 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:54.080 two dozen different interviews all on zoom. Then we'll get 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:56.600 to the second interviews. The Broncos kind of went old school. 0:03:56.640 --> 0:03:59.040 Fire up the private jet. We're going to go see 0:03:59.120 --> 0:04:01.720 ten of these coaches go all the way literally from 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:04.120 the East coast Sea and drowd Mayo to the West 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:06.960 Coast seeing Kevin O'Connell. But one of the first interviews 0:04:06.960 --> 0:04:09.840 that they did was Nathaniel Hackett in green Bay. Peyton 0:04:09.880 --> 0:04:12.440 had dinner with him the night before, they spent a 0:04:12.480 --> 0:04:16.440 long time together. Hackett, after that initial interview, had so 0:04:16.560 --> 0:04:19.080 impressed them that he became one of, if not the 0:04:19.200 --> 0:04:21.120 front runner, and so he was the only one that 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:24.000 they brought back for a second interview on Monday. There's 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:26.919 a lot to like about Nathaniel Hackett for the Denver 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:31.080 Broncos beyond Aaron Rodgers, though certainly the Rogers possibility is 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:34.440 a nice piece. It feels like people aren't on the 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:37.680 same page with Aaron Rodgers being able to leave the 0:04:37.720 --> 0:04:41.640 Green Bay Packers. He's not a free agent. There would 0:04:41.640 --> 0:04:43.760 have to be a trade here, and I don't even 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:48.000 know does Aaron Rodgers have a no trade clause? He 0:04:48.120 --> 0:04:52.400 does not have a no trade clause, though effectively you 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:54.440 have one when you're at that stage, and you could 0:04:54.480 --> 0:04:58.240 just say, if you try to trade me, to know whatever, Jacksonville, 0:04:58.320 --> 0:05:00.360 I'm just going to retire. So really here's how it 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:02.680 sets up. In so, they redid his contract last year. 0:05:03.040 --> 0:05:05.240 They shaved off, they didn't have any new money to it. 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:07.839 They moved some things around, but they shaved off the 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:10.840 last year in twenty twenty three, and they added this 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:14.160 post Super Bowl void clause that in essence means they 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:18.120 can't tag Aaron Rodgers after the twenty twenty two season either. 0:05:18.240 --> 0:05:20.720 So really there's three different avenues Rodgers can go. He 0:05:20.760 --> 0:05:23.480 could retire, that's pretty clean. The Packers would save a 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:26.680 bunch of money on the salary cap. He could say 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:29.200 I'm going to continue playing for the Packers, at which point, 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:31.960 in all likelihood that would involve the Packers Naron Rodgers 0:05:32.200 --> 0:05:34.800 doing some kind of big, fully guaranteed extension that would 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:37.279 keep him as a Packer for life. Or door number 0:05:37.320 --> 0:05:40.520 three is he could say, you know what, it's been fun. 0:05:41.200 --> 0:05:43.160 I've had you know, a ton of success here over 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:45.600 seventeen years, but it's time for me to do something else. 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:48.360 The Packers then at that point would have two choices themselves, 0:05:48.440 --> 0:05:51.360 one being they could say we're not trading you. You're 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:54.400 the Raining two time Raining NFL MVP. You're going to 0:05:54.560 --> 0:05:57.400 play out your contract here. And Rogers could say, either okay, 0:05:57.440 --> 0:06:01.480 I'll do that, or I will just decide to walk away, 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:04.480 or the Packers could go it's in our best interest 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:07.400 to trade Aaron Rodgers when he's worth more right now 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:10.159 in terms of capital in players and picks than he 0:06:10.200 --> 0:06:12.080 ever probably will be in the rest of his career. 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:14.920 Will trade him now as opposed to he plays out 0:06:14.920 --> 0:06:17.680 his contract in twenty twenty two and then at most 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:20.279 you're getting like a fifth round compensatory pick in twenty 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:22.159 twenty three form. So it would set up a really 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:26.160 interesting situation. He has that control to dictate what direction, 0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:28.720 what the options are, and then the packers would have 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:32.159 their own decision to make. Yeah, I just wonder, I'm 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:35.839 sure they want to trade him to the AFC. That 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:39.159 sound right if you know, it's like Seattle of Seattle 0:06:39.200 --> 0:06:41.200 wants to move on from Ross. They probably want him 0:06:41.240 --> 0:06:44.039 in the AFC, not the NFC. It would make sense. 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:46.680 And just for historical context, Dan I was working for 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:49.039 the Green Bay Presscazette in two thousand and eight during 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:52.960 the bread fav retirement saga, under retirement saga and all 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:54.960 that stuff, and when he showed up in a lightning 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:58.120 storm and a helicopter and came in in August during 0:06:58.120 --> 0:07:00.520 the Family Nights scrimmage, showed up in his lux rebox 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:03.520 during the scrimmage where Rogers getting cheered when he throws 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:05.960 in completions and booed when he does something. Well, most 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:09.000 bizarre scene ever. But there were two teams on Brett Farve, 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:12.520 which were the New York Jets and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:15.360 Brett Farve that day after linkedy meetings with at the 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:18.400 time Ted Thompson, Mike McCarthy left the facility thinking he's 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:21.960 being traded to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Comes to find 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:24.200 out later that night that Ted Thompson's trading him to 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:25.840 the New York Jets and the Jets had to recruit 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:28.200 him to go there. Part of that was Ted Thompson 0:07:28.480 --> 0:07:31.320 was one of Brian Goodacoont's mentors. Did not want Brett 0:07:31.360 --> 0:07:34.480 Farve in the NFC. That's not to say necessarily would 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:38.000 follow the same path, but absolutely that's something that executives 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:41.120 take into account. What do you think Sean Payton's going 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:45.560 to do. He's going to take some time away, you 0:07:45.600 --> 0:07:47.360 know he was after the season. This was such a 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:50.200 trying season for Sean Payton and the Saints. I mean, 0:07:50.240 --> 0:07:53.040 you think about everything they overcame from being displaced by 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:55.720 a hurricane in the early portion of the season, to 0:07:56.360 --> 0:08:01.800 Jamis Winston's injury, to other injuries, to COVID situation where 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:04.040 they're down to starting ian book in a in a 0:08:04.160 --> 0:08:07.840 nationally televised game, Sean Payton was wiped out by the 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:10.240 end of it. So, you know, shortly after the season ended, 0:08:10.280 --> 0:08:13.040 he flew down to Cabo, he played golf, he drank tequila, 0:08:13.280 --> 0:08:15.880 he thought about his future, and he came back and 0:08:15.880 --> 0:08:18.280 he just thought, I need a break. You know, in 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:21.200 the short term, certainly he's going to have broadcast options, 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:24.080 TV options. He's you know, I think that his thirty 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:26.520 five minute opening monologue to the press conference would probably 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:28.720 fit better on a podcast than in the forty seconds 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:32.000 between plays in a game. But Sean would be exceptional 0:08:32.360 --> 0:08:34.640 at doing that. You know what's gonna be one coaches 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:36.960 because said, look, Jerry Jones is going to be eighty 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:40.720 years of age. Oh yeah, he has. He's not given 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:44.439 the stamp of approval for Mike McCarthy coming back. The 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:48.240 timing of this is just too strange. Why wait an 0:08:48.280 --> 0:08:51.480 extra year for Sean Payton when you could get him 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:55.560 now and you give the Saints money and or picks, 0:08:55.720 --> 0:08:59.200 and you got your coach, a coach that you've always wanted. 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:02.520 You never say never because you also know that other 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:05.640 owners are looking at this and going the time is now. 0:09:05.679 --> 0:09:07.360 If we're going to make a move for Sean Payton, 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:09.800 we're at least going to place that phone call. I 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:14.040 am choosing at this particular stage. And based on the 0:09:14.080 --> 0:09:16.640 emotion that we saw from Sean Payton the other day 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:18.640 that he really is we can take him at face 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:21.600 value that his intention. Of course, intentions can change, but 0:09:21.640 --> 0:09:24.920 his intention is to take twenty twenty two off and 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:27.960 then that makes him one of the most fascinating characters, 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:30.439 not just a year from now, but really throughout this season. 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:32.599 I mean, every time that a team is in a 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:34.680 rut and we're talking about a coach potentially being on 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:37.240 the hot seat, there's going to be that cloud hanging 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:40.439 over of what might Sean Payton do. Dallas is certainly 0:09:40.440 --> 0:09:42.080 a place that he's been linked to, I don't know 0:09:42.120 --> 0:09:44.680 how many times throughout the course of his career, but 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:47.240 there's going to be other places the potentially are going 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:48.680 to be in that mix two. And you look at 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:50.800 some of the teams that did not move on from 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:53.560 their head coaches this year, and teams that did not 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:57.960 as strongly state publicly that they're going to stick with 0:09:58.000 --> 0:10:01.800 their coach as Stephen Jones the Cowboys did with Mike McCarthy. 0:10:01.920 --> 0:10:04.680 There's absolutely going to be some coaches who are going 0:10:04.720 --> 0:10:08.200 to be at risk of losing their jobs during next season. 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:10.160 Sean Payton's going to be rumored for every one of 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:14.080 those openings, and it would be organizational malpractice Dan to 0:10:14.280 --> 0:10:16.480 not make a phone call on one of the most 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:19.400 successful coaches over the last sixteen years. Yeah, I just 0:10:19.480 --> 0:10:23.840 get a feeling that Sean is The timing is just interesting. 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:26.320 I mean, you get a chance to coach the Cowboy 0:10:26.400 --> 0:10:31.280 that's different than any other coaching vacancy or potential coaching vacancy. 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:34.440 You win in Dallas, It's like being the Cowboys quarterback. 0:10:34.480 --> 0:10:37.040 You may not be the best quarterback in football, but 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:39.840 you're the best known. I mean, you're the Cowboys quarterback, 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:43.160 You're the Cowboys coach. I don't know. And Jerry is 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:46.839 desperate to get another Super Bowl at eighty years of age. 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:50.280 I don't know, man, I don't know. I don't know. Again, 0:10:50.440 --> 0:10:53.959 I would say organizational malpractice if you're a team that's 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:56.760 even thinking about making a coaching change to not place 0:10:56.840 --> 0:11:00.640 a call on Sean Payton. At the same time, I 0:11:00.679 --> 0:11:05.000 would tell you the support from the Joneses for Mike 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:08.640 McCarthy and his staff is probably stronger internally than it's 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:12.440 perceived to be externally. They went from six and ten 0:11:12.600 --> 0:11:15.800 in his first year to twelve and five this season. 0:11:15.800 --> 0:11:18.520 They obviously made leaps. They weren't consistent enough offensively. The 0:11:18.600 --> 0:11:21.280 penalties were a problem in the playoff game, as they 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:23.520 were throughout the course of the season, and they had 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:26.960 some frankly strange stuff happened with a play that they've 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:30.640 rehearsed a million times over and now has become this 0:11:30.760 --> 0:11:34.040 supposed example of that they don't they're poorly coached and 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:36.840 everything else. They practiced that every Friday. It's the same scenario. 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:39.120 They timed it out. They just never rehearsed having the 0:11:39.200 --> 0:11:41.319 umpire be twenty eight yards behind the play and then 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:43.040 come and run over their quarterback on the way to 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:45.800 spotting the ball and respotting it and spotting it again. 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:49.120 It's again, I'm not saying that you couldn't have called 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:51.960 something different there, but based upon that look where the 0:11:51.960 --> 0:11:54.439 nose tackles lined up. Everything that they did was exactly 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:56.880 how they rehearsed it. It didn't work out, it doesn't 0:11:56.880 --> 0:11:59.120 completely erase the fact they went twelve and five this 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:03.760 season and should be good for years to come. Thank you, Tom. 0:12:03.800 --> 0:12:06.680 We appreciate you joining us and congrats on breaking the 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:09.760 hacka to the Broncos news. We'll wait for you to 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:13.360 break other news like Sean Payton to the Cowboys. Thanks 0:12:13.360 --> 0:12:15.560 for having me, Dad. Thank you Tom. That's Son pelisera 0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:20.079 NFL Network insider. You can follow him at Tom PELISERA 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:23.360 does a great job, probably doesn't get enough credit for 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:26.000 the job that he does. Thanks for listening to The 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:28.800 Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be sure to catch us live 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:31.640 every weekday morning nine until noon eastern six to nine 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:34.480 Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, and you can find us 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:38.360 on the iHeartRadio app at FSR or stream us live 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:41.959 every day at YouTube dot com slash the Dan Patrick Show. 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:44.880 Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan 0:12:45.000 --> 0:12:48.640 Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:53.080 on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. Before we 0:12:53.120 --> 0:12:56.719 get to Ross Tucker, do you have any update on 0:12:57.120 --> 0:12:59.160 you couldn't carry My jobs? Yeah. The phrase you couldn't 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:01.160 carry my jockstrap has been around a long time. I 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:04.200 could find references to it going back to the seventies. 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:07.440 In eighties, it was said by Larry Holmes talk about 0:13:07.520 --> 0:13:09.719 Rocky Marciano, and he gotten a lot of trouble for it. 0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:11.520 He kind of meaning they thought it was demeaning towards 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:14.360 Rocky Marciano. A couple of people I emailed said, and 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:17.679 they believe one was a sports historian, believes it refers 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:20.760 to like the equipment manager, Like if you said to 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:23.360 someone like Paul, you're not good enough to make that team. 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:25.800 You couldn't even you couldn't even carry the jockstraps, like 0:13:25.840 --> 0:13:28.320 you could even be the equipment guy. That's what they 0:13:28.360 --> 0:13:31.480 believe the reference refers to is like the equipment manager 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:33.880 on the team carries the jockstraps at low end job, 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:35.600 and you're not even good enough to do that, much 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:38.120 less make the team. That's what two people told me. 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:40.560 They believe the origin is yeah, seton. We also got 0:13:41.000 --> 0:13:44.280 on social media from some people that the correct reply 0:13:44.480 --> 0:13:47.480 to you couldn't carry my jock is something along the 0:13:47.520 --> 0:13:50.200 lines of that's because I don't carry tweezers. For something 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:54.280 that's small. So bang, now we've got the appropriate response, 0:13:55.520 --> 0:13:58.800 and that is a natural segue for Ross Tucker, host 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:02.719 of the Ross Tucker Football Podcast, works for CBS Westwood One. 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:05.640 He'll be on the sidelines for the FC Championship game 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:08.000 in Kansas City Sunday between the Bengals in the Chief 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:11.520 or Westwood One, Tony Biselli and Iron Eagle. Did you 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:15.800 wear a jock strap when you played football? Never? Never, 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:19.120 not once. I've never worn a jock strap or a 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:23.120 cup in my entire life. I don't know any football 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:26.840 players that ever wore a cup. I do remember, I 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:30.640 think like in college, I remember some guys wore jock 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:34.760 straps and that was like all they wore underneath their 0:14:34.840 --> 0:14:39.920 game pants. And the one year our white home pants 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:43.680 at Princeton were almost see through because I remember some 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:47.080 moms were telling their sons that they could see their 0:14:47.120 --> 0:14:50.480 bare butts out on the field and so that maybe 0:14:50.480 --> 0:14:53.200 they would want to wear like spandex shorts. I gotta 0:14:53.200 --> 0:14:54.880 tell you, guys, I gotta tell you guys a story 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:58.040 right now. I don't know how you got on the 0:14:58.120 --> 0:15:03.200 jock strap conversation uh this morning, but I swear as 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:06.800 God is my witness. Yesterday, I pick up my girls 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:10.600 from school. I'm driving to dance class and I do 0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:13.040 a radio hit somewhere. I don't know who I was 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:16.520 talking to, but I sat on it. Something about so 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:20.280 and so couldn't hold his you know what? Okay, radio 0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:24.360 interviews over. We're walking in the dance class and my 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:26.280 one daughter, my daughters are eight to nine. My one 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:30.000 daughter says, what's a you know what? What? What was 0:15:30.040 --> 0:15:32.440 the you know what that they couldn't hold? And I 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:35.760 was like, uh, like a jock strap, like a jock 0:15:36.360 --> 0:15:40.440 And they said, what, what's a jock strap? And I said, well, 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:45.440 it's a thing that like holds up a boy's private 0:15:45.560 --> 0:15:50.080 so they don't flop around. And they both looked at me. 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:56.360 Look their eyes got real bid. I can't believe you 0:15:56.400 --> 0:15:59.240 guys either bugged in my car? How are you talking? 0:15:59.240 --> 0:16:01.880 How are you having the same conversation that how with 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:05.880 my daughters like ten hours ago. It's a teaching moment 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:09.280 for you. I love that because in a million years, 0:16:09.320 --> 0:16:11.800 you never think, you know, when you say to your wife, oh, 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:13.600 did you talk to the girl? Would you talk about 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:18.800 something that holds onto your something your privates? And then 0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:21.120 your wife or your daughters go home and say, hey, 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:24.760 dad brought up this thing that you put your thing 0:16:24.880 --> 0:16:29.640 in so it doesn't jiggle around. Mom. Yeah, and how 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:31.560 do I explain that one? And I you know, they're 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:33.960 in the back seat in their car seats and I'm 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:37.400 talking about something football. Oh man, they couldn't hold his 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:40.000 you know what. I didn't even say, Jock. But when 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:42.480 you say you know what, your kids want to know 0:16:42.760 --> 0:16:46.160 what is you know what? And so I was like, Jock, Jock, 0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:48.640 I had to go through the hole. It was. It 0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:52.520 was hilarious and eye opening. And so they haven't referenced 0:16:52.520 --> 0:16:54.640 it yet. I don't think they told my wife. It's 0:16:54.680 --> 0:16:58.440 good that nobody's listening or watching. Our buddy hosts a 0:16:58.440 --> 0:17:02.040 bunch of podcasts, including the Ron Tucker Football Podcast, and 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:05.920 you can check him out on social media at Ross Tucker, NFL. 0:17:06.440 --> 0:17:10.320 Ben Roethlisberger announces the obvious that he's going to step down. 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:17.640 Ben Roethlisberger's legacy is going to be what. I think 0:17:17.640 --> 0:17:19.439 he's a Hall of famer. I think he's a first 0:17:19.480 --> 0:17:22.040 ballot Hall of Famer. You know what I think about 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:23.760 when I think of him, Dan, I think of a 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:26.880 couple things and I know people want to dive into 0:17:26.920 --> 0:17:29.560 the off the field stuff. I'm not really gonna go there. 0:17:30.000 --> 0:17:32.080 That was a long time ago. We've talked about it 0:17:32.440 --> 0:17:34.800 quite a bit. For some people, by the way, that 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:37.560 is part of his legacy. That is something that they 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:39.640 bring up, and look, I see it all the time. 0:17:39.800 --> 0:17:42.280 I mean, that is something that people will bring up, 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:44.720 and I know he has to live with that. I 0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:48.119 feel like the thing that jumps out to me is 0:17:48.119 --> 0:17:52.800 just how much he's matured on off the field during 0:17:52.880 --> 0:17:55.880 his career. I mean, Dan when he was first there, 0:17:55.960 --> 0:17:57.840 and I know you know this because you talk to 0:17:57.960 --> 0:18:00.760 enough people, but I'm gonna say it, he was the 0:18:00.880 --> 0:18:03.680 last guy to get there and the first guy to leave. 0:18:03.760 --> 0:18:07.439 That's what I was told. And some of the years, 0:18:07.480 --> 0:18:09.840 I was told that his weight would get up there 0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:15.720 during the season, to two sixty two seventy two seventy five, 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:21.480 and I remember distinctly thinking, there's no way this guy 0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:25.440 plays more than like ten years. What a terrible combination 0:18:26.160 --> 0:18:29.280 of not watching what you eat and your weight going 0:18:29.400 --> 0:18:33.160 ballooning up and you don't put the time in to 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:36.919 really be able to excel with the mental aspect of 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:42.920 the game. He got by playing street ball early in 0:18:42.960 --> 0:18:45.400 his career. You know, I always said that if I 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:48.000 was ever going to play in my backyard or like 0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:52.560 at Recess, Roethlisberger would have been my guy. He had 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:58.000 the most uncanny ability to shrug guys off, fend him off. 0:18:58.359 --> 0:19:01.200 I mean, they invented a new way to tackle quarterbacks 0:19:01.280 --> 0:19:04.680 because of him. You couldn't tackle him low, you couldn't 0:19:04.720 --> 0:19:07.919 tackle him high. He would still throw the ball. You 0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:11.400 had to tackle his right wrist. You had to tackle 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:15.000 the ball because he was that big, that strong. So 0:19:15.080 --> 0:19:20.600 to me, his ability to mature with how he lived 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:24.439 his life off the field and mature as a football player, 0:19:25.040 --> 0:19:29.160 lose weight, put the mental aspect of the game, get 0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:33.320 rid of the ball faster. He really transitioned during his career. 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:40.320 Steelers more likely to trade, sign a free agent, or 0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:45.600 draft their next quarterback or stay with what they have. Yeah, 0:19:45.600 --> 0:19:48.040 I think what they have is I think they've been 0:19:48.080 --> 0:19:52.840 a nice job there actually of having a baseline of Mason, 0:19:52.960 --> 0:19:57.359 Rudolph and Haskins competing. I don't think anybody has delusions 0:19:57.400 --> 0:20:00.440 of grandeur for either one of those guys. But it's 0:20:00.480 --> 0:20:05.280 not a terrible fallback plan, right, I think somewhat curious 0:20:05.320 --> 0:20:09.720 they might be about what Mason Rudolph could do. I 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:13.080 don't know that I envisioned them drafting one where they're 0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:17.080 drafting unless they love somebody, which could be possible. Maybe 0:20:17.160 --> 0:20:19.359 Kenny Pickett falls to them and they love him because 0:20:19.359 --> 0:20:24.719 he's right there in Pittsburgh. I think trade is probably 0:20:24.880 --> 0:20:28.919 more likely. That's sort of been the Steeler way. I 0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:33.840 know their fans are convinced that these one of these 0:20:33.960 --> 0:20:36.680 veteran guys wants to come there. I'm not so sure 0:20:36.720 --> 0:20:40.600 that's the case. I'm not so sure following Ben in 0:20:40.680 --> 0:20:45.439 Pittsburgh is as enticing to an Aaron Rodgers or Russell 0:20:45.480 --> 0:20:49.520 Wilson as Steelers fans might think it is. The news 0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:52.440 broke this morning, Tom Plicero the NFL Network said the 0:20:52.440 --> 0:20:56.360 Broncos we're going to hire the Packers offensive coordinator Nathaniel Hackett. 0:20:57.880 --> 0:21:02.720 That would lead you to believe what Ross Tucker. It's 0:21:02.800 --> 0:21:07.600 hard for me to imagine Dan that Aaron Rodgers is 0:21:07.640 --> 0:21:11.800 a zero percent factor in that decision. I don't think 0:21:11.840 --> 0:21:15.399 he's a huge factor because there's so many different things 0:21:15.400 --> 0:21:20.120 in play, with his contractual status, the Packers trading him, 0:21:20.160 --> 0:21:24.199 all those things. But there had been rumors that he 0:21:24.240 --> 0:21:26.400 wanted to go to Denver last year. I think there 0:21:26.400 --> 0:21:28.840 were rumors on draft Day that he was close to 0:21:28.960 --> 0:21:33.400