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Speaker 1: this Sunday, a special six hour edition of NFL Game
Speaker 1: Day Morning airs at nine am Eastern on the NFL Network.
Speaker 1: Tom broke the news this morning that Nathaniel Hackett, the
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator from the Packers, is going to be the
Speaker 1: head coach of the Denver Broncos. Tom, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 1: Who is Nathaniel Hackett and why did he get this job?
Speaker 1: Nathaniel Hackett, Dan is a fascinating Guy's forty two years old.
Speaker 1: He's been a longtime coach, going all the way back
Speaker 1: to his days in Buffalo with the Bills at Syracuse
Speaker 1: down in Jacksonville where I was in attendance at Hinesfield
Speaker 1: after the twenty seventeen season when the Jaguars with Blake
Speaker 1: Bortles at quarterback, put up forty five points on Pittsburgh
Speaker 1: to go to the AFC Championship Game. He ended up
Speaker 1: getting dismissed there the fallow year amidst a whole bunch
Speaker 1: of injuries on offense, but landed in Green Bay with
Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur and Aaron Rodgers, and has really flourished in
Speaker 1: his role. He's pasted several years. He's a unique individual
Speaker 1: in terms of the way that he presents. He is
Speaker 1: very into technology, he's into analytics, he's into pop culture.
Speaker 1: He finds different ways to reach this generation of players.
Speaker 1: And I don't just mean, you know, the twenty twenty
Speaker 1: one year old millennials or whatever we're calling them, but
Speaker 1: even the likes of Aaron Rodgers, who's a veteran quarterback
Speaker 1: has heard it all for twenty plus years playing football
Speaker 1: at every level, and Rogers has want to Hack It's
Speaker 1: biggest fans, to the point that last year, when Hacking
Speaker 1: got his first head coaching interview with the Falcons, Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers called Atlanta and said, you need to hire this guy.
Speaker 1: So the fact that now he's getting the Broncos job
Speaker 1: at a time that Danie might have heard there are
Speaker 1: some questions about where Aaron Rodgers we play in football
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two, if anywhere, It's a really good
Speaker 1: fit for a bunch of different reasons. And I'll tell
Speaker 1: you this, he's so high energy. Nathaniel Hackett is nobody's
Speaker 1: gonna fall asleep in his meetings. He's going to give
Speaker 1: the most entertaining press conferences in the league. And they
Speaker 1: think he's gonna win a lot of football games for
Speaker 1: him too. But I wonder you go in in the
Speaker 1: interviewing process in Denver, does John Elway say, if we
Speaker 1: give you this job, can we get Aaron Rodgers? Like,
Speaker 1: how do you would he get this job as standalone?
Speaker 1: You get the job to be fair to his resume,
Speaker 1: and how much is the possibility of getting Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: attached to this? Well, the Broncos were going through this
Speaker 1: process and general manager George Peyton has been the one
Speaker 1: leading it. They knew that they couldn't hire a coach
Speaker 1: based solely on a contingency that may or may not happen.
Speaker 1: Of course, last year, Denver was the most linked spot
Speaker 1: to Aaron Rodgers. Rogers at various points told people that
Speaker 1: Denver was a place he wanted to go. He may
Speaker 1: have even thought that's where he would potentially end up.
Speaker 1: And that was at a time that you had Vic
Speaker 1: Fangio as the head coach and Pat Shermer was the
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator. So now you have Hackett there he's going
Speaker 1: to in all likelihood hire at least one Packers assistant.
Speaker 1: Adam Stenovich, who's the offensive line coach run game coordinator,
Speaker 1: really well respected, use like seventy five different old line
Speaker 1: combinations this year with Bok tri out and managed to
Speaker 1: make it work. There's going to be familiarity there with
Speaker 1: the system, with the coaches. It would only heighten the
Speaker 1: possibility the Rogers could land there. But they did a
Speaker 1: thorough search. You know. Peyton had one of the most
Speaker 1: expansive search parties. They had I think seven people who
Speaker 1: traveled around on the plane. They had other people involved
Speaker 1: on Zoom. They had different perspectives from different people, and
Speaker 1: he spent time with ten different candidates during the process,
Speaker 1: almost all of them in person, which is rare because
Speaker 1: in this cycle. One thing that came out of COVID
Speaker 1: was everyone was like, Hey, the zoom thing is great.
Speaker 1: We'll just do a dozen or in the Bears case,
Speaker 1: two dozen different interviews all on zoom. Then we'll get
Speaker 1: to the second interviews. The Broncos kind of went old school.
Speaker 1: Fire up the private jet. We're going to go see
Speaker 1: ten of these coaches go all the way literally from
Speaker 1: the East coast Sea and drowd Mayo to the West
Speaker 1: Coast seeing Kevin O'Connell. But one of the first interviews
Speaker 1: that they did was Nathaniel Hackett in green Bay. Peyton
Speaker 1: had dinner with him the night before, they spent a
Speaker 1: long time together. Hackett, after that initial interview, had so
Speaker 1: impressed them that he became one of, if not the
Speaker 1: front runner, and so he was the only one that
Speaker 1: they brought back for a second interview on Monday. There's
Speaker 1: a lot to like about Nathaniel Hackett for the Denver
Speaker 1: Broncos beyond Aaron Rodgers, though certainly the Rogers possibility is
Speaker 1: a nice piece. It feels like people aren't on the
Speaker 1: same page with Aaron Rodgers being able to leave the
Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers. He's not a free agent. There would
Speaker 1: have to be a trade here, and I don't even
Speaker 1: know does Aaron Rodgers have a no trade clause? He
Speaker 1: does not have a no trade clause, though effectively you
Speaker 1: have one when you're at that stage, and you could
Speaker 1: just say, if you try to trade me, to know whatever, Jacksonville,
Speaker 1: I'm just going to retire. So really here's how it
Speaker 1: sets up. In so, they redid his contract last year.
Speaker 1: They shaved off, they didn't have any new money to it.
Speaker 1: They moved some things around, but they shaved off the
Speaker 1: last year in twenty twenty three, and they added this
Speaker 1: post Super Bowl void clause that in essence means they
Speaker 1: can't tag Aaron Rodgers after the twenty twenty two season either.
Speaker 1: So really there's three different avenues Rodgers can go. He
Speaker 1: could retire, that's pretty clean. The Packers would save a
Speaker 1: bunch of money on the salary cap. He could say
Speaker 1: I'm going to continue playing for the Packers, at which point,
Speaker 1: in all likelihood that would involve the Packers Naron Rodgers
Speaker 1: doing some kind of big, fully guaranteed extension that would
Speaker 1: keep him as a Packer for life. Or door number
Speaker 1: three is he could say, you know what, it's been fun.
Speaker 1: I've had you know, a ton of success here over
Speaker 1: seventeen years, but it's time for me to do something else.
Speaker 1: The Packers then at that point would have two choices themselves,
Speaker 1: one being they could say we're not trading you. You're
Speaker 1: the Raining two time Raining NFL MVP. You're going to
Speaker 1: play out your contract here. And Rogers could say, either okay,
Speaker 1: I'll do that, or I will just decide to walk away,
Speaker 1: or the Packers could go it's in our best interest
Speaker 1: to trade Aaron Rodgers when he's worth more right now
Speaker 1: in terms of capital in players and picks than he
Speaker 1: ever probably will be in the rest of his career.
Speaker 1: Will trade him now as opposed to he plays out
Speaker 1: his contract in twenty twenty two and then at most
Speaker 1: you're getting like a fifth round compensatory pick in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three form. So it would set up a really
Speaker 1: interesting situation. He has that control to dictate what direction,
Speaker 1: what the options are, and then the packers would have
Speaker 1: their own decision to make. Yeah, I just wonder, I'm
Speaker 1: sure they want to trade him to the AFC. That
Speaker 1: sound right if you know, it's like Seattle of Seattle
Speaker 1: wants to move on from Ross. They probably want him
Speaker 1: in the AFC, not the NFC. It would make sense.
Speaker 1: And just for historical context, Dan I was working for
Speaker 1: the Green Bay Presscazette in two thousand and eight during
Speaker 1: the bread fav retirement saga, under retirement saga and all
Speaker 1: that stuff, and when he showed up in a lightning
Speaker 1: storm and a helicopter and came in in August during
Speaker 1: the Family Nights scrimmage, showed up in his lux rebox
Speaker 1: during the scrimmage where Rogers getting cheered when he throws
Speaker 1: in completions and booed when he does something. Well, most
Speaker 1: bizarre scene ever. But there were two teams on Brett Farve,
Speaker 1: which were the New York Jets and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Speaker 1: Brett Farve that day after linkedy meetings with at the
Speaker 1: time Ted Thompson, Mike McCarthy left the facility thinking he's
Speaker 1: being traded to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Comes to find
Speaker 1: out later that night that Ted Thompson's trading him to
Speaker 1: the New York Jets and the Jets had to recruit
Speaker 1: him to go there. Part of that was Ted Thompson
Speaker 1: was one of Brian Goodacoont's mentors. Did not want Brett
Speaker 1: Farve in the NFC. That's not to say necessarily would
Speaker 1: follow the same path, but absolutely that's something that executives
Speaker 1: take into account. What do you think Sean Payton's going
Speaker 1: to do. He's going to take some time away, you
Speaker 1: know he was after the season. This was such a
Speaker 1: trying season for Sean Payton and the Saints. I mean,
Speaker 1: you think about everything they overcame from being displaced by
Speaker 1: a hurricane in the early portion of the season, to
Speaker 1: Jamis Winston's injury, to other injuries, to COVID situation where
Speaker 1: they're down to starting ian book in a in a
Speaker 1: nationally televised game, Sean Payton was wiped out by the
Speaker 1: end of it. So, you know, shortly after the season ended,
Speaker 1: he flew down to Cabo, he played golf, he drank tequila,
Speaker 1: he thought about his future, and he came back and
Speaker 1: he just thought, I need a break. You know, in
Speaker 1: the short term, certainly he's going to have broadcast options,
Speaker 1: TV options. He's you know, I think that his thirty
Speaker 1: five minute opening monologue to the press conference would probably
Speaker 1: fit better on a podcast than in the forty seconds
Speaker 1: between plays in a game. But Sean would be exceptional
Speaker 1: at doing that. You know what's gonna be one coaches
Speaker 1: because said, look, Jerry Jones is going to be eighty
Speaker 1: years of age. Oh yeah, he has. He's not given
Speaker 1: the stamp of approval for Mike McCarthy coming back. The
Speaker 1: timing of this is just too strange. Why wait an
Speaker 1: extra year for Sean Payton when you could get him
Speaker 1: now and you give the Saints money and or picks,
Speaker 1: and you got your coach, a coach that you've always wanted.
Speaker 1: You never say never because you also know that other
Speaker 1: owners are looking at this and going the time is now.
Speaker 1: If we're going to make a move for Sean Payton,
Speaker 1: we're at least going to place that phone call. I
Speaker 1: am choosing at this particular stage. And based on the
Speaker 1: emotion that we saw from Sean Payton the other day
Speaker 1: that he really is we can take him at face
Speaker 1: value that his intention. Of course, intentions can change, but
Speaker 1: his intention is to take twenty twenty two off and
Speaker 1: then that makes him one of the most fascinating characters,
Speaker 1: not just a year from now, but really throughout this season.
Speaker 1: I mean, every time that a team is in a
Speaker 1: rut and we're talking about a coach potentially being on
Speaker 1: the hot seat, there's going to be that cloud hanging
Speaker 1: over of what might Sean Payton do. Dallas is certainly
Speaker 1: a place that he's been linked to, I don't know
Speaker 1: how many times throughout the course of his career, but
Speaker 1: there's going to be other places the potentially are going
Speaker 1: to be in that mix two. And you look at
Speaker 1: some of the teams that did not move on from
Speaker 1: their head coaches this year, and teams that did not
Speaker 1: as strongly state publicly that they're going to stick with
Speaker 1: their coach as Stephen Jones the Cowboys did with Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 1: There's absolutely going to be some coaches who are going
Speaker 1: to be at risk of losing their jobs during next season.
Speaker 1: Sean Payton's going to be rumored for every one of
Speaker 1: those openings, and it would be organizational malpractice Dan to
Speaker 1: not make a phone call on one of the most
Speaker 1: successful coaches over the last sixteen years. Yeah, I just
Speaker 1: get a feeling that Sean is The timing is just interesting.
Speaker 1: I mean, you get a chance to coach the Cowboy
Speaker 1: that's different than any other coaching vacancy or potential coaching vacancy.
Speaker 1: You win in Dallas, It's like being the Cowboys quarterback.
Speaker 1: You may not be the best quarterback in football, but
Speaker 1: you're the best known. I mean, you're the Cowboys quarterback,
Speaker 1: You're the Cowboys coach. I don't know. And Jerry is
Speaker 1: desperate to get another Super Bowl at eighty years of age.
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I don't know. I don't know. Again,
Speaker 1: I would say organizational malpractice if you're a team that's
Speaker 1: even thinking about making a coaching change to not place
Speaker 1: a call on Sean Payton. At the same time, I
Speaker 1: would tell you the support from the Joneses for Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy and his staff is probably stronger internally than it's
Speaker 1: perceived to be externally. They went from six and ten
Speaker 1: in his first year to twelve and five this season.
Speaker 1: They obviously made leaps. They weren't consistent enough offensively. The
Speaker 1: penalties were a problem in the playoff game, as they
Speaker 1: were throughout the course of the season, and they had
Speaker 1: some frankly strange stuff happened with a play that they've
Speaker 1: rehearsed a million times over and now has become this
Speaker 1: supposed example of that they don't they're poorly coached and
Speaker 1: everything else. They practiced that every Friday. It's the same scenario.
Speaker 1: They timed it out. They just never rehearsed having the
Speaker 1: umpire be twenty eight yards behind the play and then
Speaker 1: come and run over their quarterback on the way to
Speaker 1: spotting the ball and respotting it and spotting it again.
Speaker 1: It's again, I'm not saying that you couldn't have called
Speaker 1: something different there, but based upon that look where the
Speaker 1: nose tackles lined up. Everything that they did was exactly
Speaker 1: how they rehearsed it. It didn't work out, it doesn't
Speaker 1: completely erase the fact they went twelve and five this
Speaker 1: season and should be good for years to come. Thank you, Tom.
Speaker 1: We appreciate you joining us and congrats on breaking the
Speaker 1: hacka to the Broncos news. We'll wait for you to
Speaker 1: break other news like Sean Payton to the Cowboys. Thanks
Speaker 1: for having me, Dad. Thank you Tom. That's Son pelisera
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Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. Before we
Speaker 1: get to Ross Tucker, do you have any update on
Speaker 1: you couldn't carry My jobs? Yeah. The phrase you couldn't
Speaker 1: carry my jockstrap has been around a long time. I
Speaker 1: could find references to it going back to the seventies.
Speaker 1: In eighties, it was said by Larry Holmes talk about
Speaker 1: Rocky Marciano, and he gotten a lot of trouble for it.
Speaker 1: He kind of meaning they thought it was demeaning towards
Speaker 1: Rocky Marciano. A couple of people I emailed said, and
Speaker 1: they believe one was a sports historian, believes it refers
Speaker 1: to like the equipment manager, Like if you said to
Speaker 1: someone like Paul, you're not good enough to make that team.
Speaker 1: You couldn't even you couldn't even carry the jockstraps, like
Speaker 1: you could even be the equipment guy. That's what they
Speaker 1: believe the reference refers to is like the equipment manager
Speaker 1: on the team carries the jockstraps at low end job,
Speaker 1: and you're not even good enough to do that, much
Speaker 1: less make the team. That's what two people told me.
Speaker 1: They believe the origin is yeah, seton. We also got
Speaker 1: on social media from some people that the correct reply
Speaker 1: to you couldn't carry my jock is something along the
Speaker 1: lines of that's because I don't carry tweezers. For something
Speaker 1: that's small. So bang, now we've got the appropriate response,
Speaker 1: and that is a natural segue for Ross Tucker, host
Speaker 1: of the Ross Tucker Football Podcast, works for CBS Westwood One.
Speaker 1: He'll be on the sidelines for the FC Championship game
Speaker 1: in Kansas City Sunday between the Bengals in the Chief
Speaker 1: or Westwood One, Tony Biselli and Iron Eagle. Did you
Speaker 1: wear a jock strap when you played football? Never? Never,
Speaker 1: not once. I've never worn a jock strap or a
Speaker 1: cup in my entire life. I don't know any football
Speaker 1: players that ever wore a cup. I do remember, I
Speaker 1: think like in college, I remember some guys wore jock
Speaker 1: straps and that was like all they wore underneath their
Speaker 1: game pants. And the one year our white home pants
Speaker 1: at Princeton were almost see through because I remember some
Speaker 1: moms were telling their sons that they could see their
Speaker 1: bare butts out on the field and so that maybe
Speaker 1: they would want to wear like spandex shorts. I gotta
Speaker 1: tell you, guys, I gotta tell you guys a story
Speaker 1: right now. I don't know how you got on the
Speaker 1: jock strap conversation uh this morning, but I swear as
Speaker 1: God is my witness. Yesterday, I pick up my girls
Speaker 1: from school. I'm driving to dance class and I do
Speaker 1: a radio hit somewhere. I don't know who I was
Speaker 1: talking to, but I sat on it. Something about so
Speaker 1: and so couldn't hold his you know what? Okay, radio
Speaker 1: interviews over. We're walking in the dance class and my
Speaker 1: one daughter, my daughters are eight to nine. My one
Speaker 1: daughter says, what's a you know what? What? What was
Speaker 1: the you know what that they couldn't hold? And I
Speaker 1: was like, uh, like a jock strap, like a jock
Speaker 1: And they said, what, what's a jock strap? And I said, well,
Speaker 1: it's a thing that like holds up a boy's private
Speaker 1: so they don't flop around. And they both looked at me.
Speaker 1: Look their eyes got real bid. I can't believe you
Speaker 1: guys either bugged in my car? How are you talking?
Speaker 1: How are you having the same conversation that how with
Speaker 1: my daughters like ten hours ago. It's a teaching moment
Speaker 1: for you. I love that because in a million years,
Speaker 1: you never think, you know, when you say to your wife, oh,
Speaker 1: did you talk to the girl? Would you talk about
Speaker 1: something that holds onto your something your privates? And then
Speaker 1: your wife or your daughters go home and say, hey,
Speaker 1: dad brought up this thing that you put your thing
Speaker 1: in so it doesn't jiggle around. Mom. Yeah, and how
Speaker 1: do I explain that one? And I you know, they're
Speaker 1: in the back seat in their car seats and I'm
Speaker 1: talking about something football. Oh man, they couldn't hold his
Speaker 1: you know what. I didn't even say, Jock. But when
Speaker 1: you say you know what, your kids want to know
Speaker 1: what is you know what? And so I was like, Jock, Jock,
Speaker 1: I had to go through the hole. It was. It
Speaker 1: was hilarious and eye opening. And so they haven't referenced
Speaker 1: it yet. I don't think they told my wife. It's
Speaker 1: good that nobody's listening or watching. Our buddy hosts a
Speaker 1: bunch of podcasts, including the Ron Tucker Football Podcast, and
Speaker 1: you can check him out on social media at Ross Tucker, NFL.
Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger announces the obvious that he's going to step down.
Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger's legacy is going to be what. I think
Speaker 1: he's a Hall of famer. I think he's a first
Speaker 1: ballot Hall of Famer. You know what I think about
Speaker 1: when I think of him, Dan, I think of a
Speaker 1: couple things and I know people want to dive into
Speaker 1: the off the field stuff. I'm not really gonna go there.
Speaker 1: That was a long time ago. We've talked about it
Speaker 1: quite a bit. For some people, by the way, that
Speaker 1: is part of his legacy. That is something that they
Speaker 1: bring up, and look, I see it all the time.
Speaker 1: I mean, that is something that people will bring up,
Speaker 1: and I know he has to live with that. I
Speaker 1: feel like the thing that jumps out to me is
Speaker 1: just how much he's matured on off the field during
Speaker 1: his career. I mean, Dan when he was first there,
Speaker 1: and I know you know this because you talk to
Speaker 1: enough people, but I'm gonna say it, he was the
Speaker 1: last guy to get there and the first guy to leave.
Speaker 1: That's what I was told. And some of the years,
Speaker 1: I was told that his weight would get up there
Speaker 1: during the season, to two sixty two seventy two seventy five,
Speaker 1: and I remember distinctly thinking, there's no way this guy
Speaker 1: plays more than like ten years. What a terrible combination
Speaker 1: of not watching what you eat and your weight going
Speaker 1: ballooning up and you don't put the time in to
Speaker 1: really be able to excel with the mental aspect of
Speaker 1: the game. He got by playing street ball early in
Speaker 1: his career. You know, I always said that if I
Speaker 1: was ever going to play in my backyard or like
Speaker 1: at Recess, Roethlisberger would have been my guy. He had
Speaker 1: the most uncanny ability to shrug guys off, fend him off.
Speaker 1: I mean, they invented a new way to tackle quarterbacks
Speaker 1: because of him. You couldn't tackle him low, you couldn't
Speaker 1: tackle him high. He would still throw the ball. You
Speaker 1: had to tackle his right wrist. You had to tackle
Speaker 1: the ball because he was that big, that strong. So
Speaker 1: to me, his ability to mature with how he lived
Speaker 1: his life off the field and mature as a football player,
Speaker 1: lose weight, put the mental aspect of the game, get
Speaker 1: rid of the ball faster. He really transitioned during his career.
Speaker 1: Steelers more likely to trade, sign a free agent, or
Speaker 1: draft their next quarterback or stay with what they have. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think what they have is I think they've been
Speaker 1: a nice job there actually of having a baseline of Mason,
Speaker 1: Rudolph and Haskins competing. I don't think anybody has delusions
Speaker 1: of grandeur for either one of those guys. But it's
Speaker 1: not a terrible fallback plan, right, I think somewhat curious
Speaker 1: they might be about what Mason Rudolph could do. I
Speaker 1: don't know that I envisioned them drafting one where they're
Speaker 1: drafting unless they love somebody, which could be possible. Maybe
Speaker 1: Kenny Pickett falls to them and they love him because
Speaker 1: he's right there in Pittsburgh. I think trade is probably
Speaker 1: more likely. That's sort of been the Steeler way. I
Speaker 1: know their fans are convinced that these one of these
Speaker 1: veteran guys wants to come there. I'm not so sure
Speaker 1: that's the case. I'm not so sure following Ben in
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh is as enticing to an Aaron Rodgers or Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson as Steelers fans might think it is. The news
Speaker 1: broke this morning, Tom Plicero the NFL Network said the
Speaker 1: Broncos we're going to hire the Packers offensive coordinator Nathaniel Hackett.
Speaker 1: That would lead you to believe what Ross Tucker. It's
Speaker 1: hard for me to imagine Dan that Aaron Rodgers is
Speaker 1: a zero percent factor in that decision. I don't think
Speaker 1: he's a huge factor because there's so many different things
Speaker 1: in play, with his contractual status, the Packers trading him,
Speaker 1: all those things. But there had been rumors that he
Speaker 1: wanted to go to Denver last year. I think there
Speaker 1: were rumors on draft Day that he was close to
Speaker 1: being traded to Denver. You'd have to think the Packers
Speaker 1: would prefer to trade him to the AFC if that's
Speaker 1: what he wants to do. I don't think he wants
Speaker 1: to be there. I think I told you last week
Speaker 1: that if he lost, I thought he would be as
Speaker 1: good as gone. I'm gonna stick with that. I don't
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be back in Green Bay, and I
Speaker 1: think Denver's a good possibility. And I think if the
Speaker 1: Packers are gonna give Aaron Rodgers a decent amount of
Speaker 1: say in this man, he kind of already wanted to
Speaker 1: go there, and now they get the offensive coordinator that
Speaker 1: he really really likes. You know, I would say that
Speaker 1: they're certainly dan feathering the nest for Aaron Rodgers for
Speaker 1: sure in Denver. Is that the first feathering the nest
Speaker 1: reference we've had Polly this year. I think since we've
Speaker 1: been doing this, I think that's the first feathering the
Speaker 1: nest checking. Okay, thank you, What does it even mean?
Speaker 1: By the way, I never even heard that until we
Speaker 1: had kids, and feathering the nest is like, that's like
Speaker 1: when my wife got the cribs ready and like the
Speaker 1: nursery or whatever, like getting ready for the baby. That's
Speaker 1: what it means, right, I think? So feathering, Yes, that's
Speaker 1: what the Broncos are doing. They're feathering the nest for
Speaker 1: baby Aaron. Yes, Pa, I see that a definition feathering
Speaker 1: the nest. You mean someone is getting a lot of
Speaker 1: money out of something so they could lead a comfortable life. Oh,
Speaker 1: Mary is much more interested in doing things for other
Speaker 1: people than feathering her own nest. Oh that means where
Speaker 1: taking care of what you do or what your your
Speaker 1: house and Aaron Rodgers and I've never heard of reference
Speaker 1: that way. It could be a multiple. Definitely, you're you're
Speaker 1: the Princeton guy. Yeah, you're the Ivy League guy. So
Speaker 1: what I say that? I agree? I agree? I agree.
Speaker 1: You Ivy leaguers book smart? So what are you street smart?
Speaker 1: That's what I want? Do you want to hear something? Dan?
Speaker 1: This is the truth too? Okay, there is not there's
Speaker 1: there's a correlation, but there are plenty of Ivy League guys.
Speaker 1: And I know because I've had coaches tell me that
Speaker 1: their football intelligence was not where it needed to be,
Speaker 1: and it's part of the reason why they got cut.
Speaker 1: I know two guys for sure, because I talked to
Speaker 1: coaches afterwards that they said he just couldn't pick things
Speaker 1: up from a football standpoint. Meanwhile, there are guys that
Speaker 1: are probably not real good in school, not real book smart,
Speaker 1: unbelievable football intelligence, and IQ unbelievable off the charts. I
Speaker 1: think there's some correlation, but I don't think it's as
Speaker 1: heavily correlated as people otherwise might think. You got the
Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs and the Cincinnati Bengals. Bengals have beaten
Speaker 1: the Chiefs during the regular season a couple of weeks
Speaker 1: ago in Cincinnati. How does Cincinnati beat Kansas City. I
Speaker 1: think it's tough. I really think it's tough. You know,
Speaker 1: probably similar to what they did the last time. They
Speaker 1: need Jamar Chase to just go bananas and have over
Speaker 1: two hundred yards receiving two long touchdowns. I think the
Speaker 1: Chiefs will have a different defensive strategy this time. Dan.
Speaker 1: You know, last time they played a lot of man
Speaker 1: to man with a single high safety, and when you
Speaker 1: do that, that single high safety is in the middle
Speaker 1: of the field. He can't get to the sideline, he
Speaker 1: can't get outside the numbers. And Joe Burrow I was
Speaker 1: talking with Greg Kosell about this on the raw Stucker
Speaker 1: podcast this morning. If it's one on one, Dan, Joe
Speaker 1: Burrow just throws it. He trusts his guys, Chase and Higgins.
Speaker 1: He throws up to those guys, gives him a chance
Speaker 1: to make a play, and they do. I think that
Speaker 1: the Chiefs will have more too deep safety coverages to
Speaker 1: not allow Chase and Higgins to beat them deep down
Speaker 1: the sideline and make the Bengals have to move the
Speaker 1: ball a little bit more. And why wouldn't you. I mean,
Speaker 1: the offensive line can't hold up the one big knock
Speaker 1: I have on Joe right now. He takes sacks you
Speaker 1: just can't take. I mean, like that's something he'll improve
Speaker 1: on for next year. But they're dead if he takes
Speaker 1: those sacks. And it's Frank Clark, Melvin Ingram, Chris Jones
Speaker 1: against the Bengals. Oh line, you know how I am, Dan,
Speaker 1: I'm on this side. I'm praying or a close game.
Speaker 1: I hope it's an epic, awesome back and forth. I'm
Speaker 1: a little bit worried that this game could get away
Speaker 1: from the Bengals. You know, Mahomes is not thrown three
Speaker 1: picks like Tannehill did. That's just not happening. He just
Speaker 1: doesn't do it. And I don't think that the Bengals
Speaker 1: are gonna be able to light up the Chiefs. I
Speaker 1: think the Chiefs have a better defensive plan. I don't
Speaker 1: feels like thirty to twenty maybe the Chiefs. The Chiefs
Speaker 1: win by double digits. I hope it's closer than that.
Speaker 1: But I'm a little bit worried that this is kind
Speaker 1: of the end of the line for the Bengals and
Speaker 1: in the second half they start to, you know, feel
Speaker 1: good about what they've accomplished this year and how far
Speaker 1: they've come. Who has changed the conversation about their careers
Speaker 1: more Odell Beckham or Matthew Stafford. Oh, Matthew Stafford. Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 1: I think Odell Beckham is helping it, but he wasn't
Speaker 1: a gigantic factor in that last game. I mean for
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford to win two playoff games, to win on
Speaker 1: the road against Tom Brady, and to make the incredibly
Speaker 1: clutch throws, especially the last one that he made after
Speaker 1: automomentum had been lost. I mean, Dan I said this
Speaker 1: during the game. Certain things only happened to the team
Speaker 1: playing against Tom Brady in the playoffs. I don't know
Speaker 1: if he did a deal with the devil or he
Speaker 1: has a voodoo which four fumbles, I mean the ball
Speaker 1: gets snapped and Stafford's not ready for it. Cam Akers
Speaker 1: fumbles with a minute and a half left your kickers
Speaker 1: short on a forty seven yard field goal in the NFL,
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever even seen that. I mean,
Speaker 1: things happened in that game. I couldn't believe for the
Speaker 1: Rams to get give up a twenty seven three lead
Speaker 1: and Stafford still right the ship and make that throw
Speaker 1: while and Dominican Sue was about to kill him. It's incredible.
Speaker 1: Stafford has changed a lot of opinions. He's made the
Speaker 1: Rams right for bringing him in, and I think he's
Speaker 1: got a great chance to go to the super Bowl
Speaker 1: if they can beat the Niners. Obviously, it's tough for
Speaker 1: the Niners to win seven straight. They've won six in
Speaker 1: a row. I like the Rams in that game, although
Speaker 1: it'll be a great close one. Stafford changed the opinion
Speaker 1: of him. You know who else has changed their opinion.
Speaker 1: I think a little bit Josh Allen. I think there
Speaker 1: were some people that were still a little skeptical of
Speaker 1: Josh Allen with what he did in those two playoff games.
Speaker 1: Now people are calling him the one B to Patrick
Speaker 1: Mahomes one A. Have a great weekend. Great to talk
Speaker 1: to you again. We'll talk to you next week always.
Speaker 1: Thanks guys. That's Ross Tucker, Never Wore a Jockstram, host
Speaker 1: to the Ross Tucker Football Podcast. He'll be on the
Speaker 1: sidelines working the AFC title game for Westwood One Bengals
Speaker 1: and the Chiefs. Thanks for listening to The Dan Patrick
Speaker 1: Show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday
Speaker 1: morning nine until noon eastern six to nine Pacific on
Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio and you can find us on the
Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app at f R or stream us live on
Speaker 1: the Peacock app. Kevin James, we spoke to him on Monday,
Speaker 1: so I did not ask him about Sean Payton stepping
Speaker 1: down as the Saints head coach because that just happened.
Speaker 1: But as I mentioned, the movie, it's called Home Team.
Speaker 1: It'll be released on Netflix tomorrow. Two years after winning
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, Sean Payton gets suspended, goes back to
Speaker 1: his hometown finds himself reconnecting with his twelve year old
Speaker 1: son by coaching his Pop Warner football team. But we
Speaker 1: started out the interview where I asked him about going
Speaker 1: to high school, same high school with the WWE legend,
Speaker 1: Mick Foley. Yeah, the WW Hall of Famer. He was
Speaker 1: the heavyweight on our team and he had no one
Speaker 1: to practice with. And I was a running back on
Speaker 1: our team, and I was a pretty big kid back then.
Speaker 1: It was a good shape and they needed another heavyweight,
Speaker 1: so they brought me over to wrestle with Mick. And
Speaker 1: I had never wrestled before. But he's such a sweet kid.
Speaker 1: I knew him and he's such a great guy. And
Speaker 1: I got to wrestle with him and train with him
Speaker 1: and kind of work through the season with him. It
Speaker 1: rested one year. That was it. But when did you
Speaker 1: realize that that mc foley had become that MCFOLI with
Speaker 1: WW Just now I'm putting together right now, just as
Speaker 1: you're saying, I'm like, oh my gosh, this is all
Speaker 1: adding up now. What is wow? Wow? Uh? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I knew he was he was he was a
Speaker 1: nutbag back in the day. He would he would. I
Speaker 1: remember him jumping off his roof into boxes and he
Speaker 1: was always into that crazy stuff and didn't seem like that,
Speaker 1: and like his personality is a very sweet guy, but
Speaker 1: he was just a nut. He would he would, he
Speaker 1: would do anything, he would eat stuff, and you didn't
Speaker 1: even want to get into it. It was just he
Speaker 1: was a crazy, uh sweet heart of a guy. Which
Speaker 1: again weird combo. You know when I don't know how
Speaker 1: this works that if you hear there's a movie about
Speaker 1: Sean Payton, or somebody comes to you and says, we
Speaker 1: think you look like Sean Payton or could play that role. No, no.
Speaker 1: Samler came to me and sent the script and said, hey, listen, buddy,
Speaker 1: I got an idea that I think could be a
Speaker 1: really cool sports movie. What do you think about this?
Speaker 1: And then he sent me the script and once he
Speaker 1: pitched it to me about Sean Payton and the story
Speaker 1: was about him going back to Coach's twelve year old son.
Speaker 1: I was. I was in one hundred percent. I mean
Speaker 1: I loved it. I loved the idea of it all.
Speaker 1: And uh yeah, I mean it was like it was
Speaker 1: a no brainer. You know, how do you fall into
Speaker 1: that coach uh persona, are you drawing off other coaches?
Speaker 1: Famous coaches? Just go you just kind of go with
Speaker 1: what now. I didn't want to do that, but I
Speaker 1: just you start with what you think of coaches is
Speaker 1: going to be, and this guy and a motivator, and
Speaker 1: let's go. And then when I got to meet Sean
Speaker 1: and talk to him and try to find out what
Speaker 1: he's about and what he does specifically different than ever,
Speaker 1: you know, than than other coaches. That's the hardest thing
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of great coaches that are just
Speaker 1: motivating and do different things. But he's a He's a
Speaker 1: fun guy, man, he really is. And the most difficult
Speaker 1: thing for me with Sean was the accent because he's
Speaker 1: from California, but like he sounds a little texting. It's
Speaker 1: like everything in there. And he had admitted it. I'm like,
Speaker 1: because I I'm having a tough time getting you down,
Speaker 1: and he said, uh yeah, because he goes. I switched
Speaker 1: it up. The movie is Home Team. We're talking to
Speaker 1: Kevin James. He portrays Sean Payton as is two years
Speaker 1: after the Super Bowl win when he was suspended. Do
Speaker 1: you remember first late night appearance as mine stand up.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean as doing stand up, we're doing
Speaker 1: like sit down with you know, in the Tonight Show.
Speaker 1: I remember Tonight Show was just it was misery for me,
Speaker 1: you know. I was so scared. Yeah, I remember that one.
Speaker 1: How old were you I was? I started stand up
Speaker 1: at twenty four or some twenty three. I was probably
Speaker 1: twenty six maybe something a few years later, and it
Speaker 1: was I was just frightened. I remember I had gotten
Speaker 1: in Tonight Show. I was in California and there was
Speaker 1: an opening and we wanted to, you know, and a
Speaker 1: comedian works for the Tonight Show his whole career. That's
Speaker 1: what you're working for. That was the big benchmark. And
Speaker 1: I got it and my manager called me and said
Speaker 1: you got it, and uh, I got panicked. I was like,
Speaker 1: he's like it's this week and I'm like, well, I'm
Speaker 1: not ready yet. He's like, what are you talking about.
Speaker 1: We're out here, We're ready to do it. You've been
Speaker 1: doing stand up your whole life, you know, you know
Speaker 1: now you're starting to do it. I go, well, I'm
Speaker 1: just not ready yet because it's live. It's that whole
Speaker 1: that live with the camera and stuff like that. I
Speaker 1: don't want to do it, and I got panicked, and
Speaker 1: he goes, I can you cancel? Tell them I can't
Speaker 1: do it. You know any years you want to cancel
Speaker 1: and let them know you don't want to do it.
Speaker 1: You've been working for this, So I said. He convinced
Speaker 1: me to actually do it, and then uh, he goes,
Speaker 1: just go practice your set. So I run around town.
Speaker 1: I went to Eggb's. This was a comedy club back
Speaker 1: in the day. The improv all these clubs and practiced
Speaker 1: my set and it was the night before the tonight
Speaker 1: show and I did great in front of the audience.
Speaker 1: But I said, I'm still panick. I'm afraid. He's like,
Speaker 1: what are you afraid you're gonna do? So I remember
Speaker 1: we were up at night, me and Jeff Susson, my manager,
Speaker 1: up at like two o'clock in the morning, and he's like,
Speaker 1: what are you still panicked? Aback? I was really having
Speaker 1: a panic attack, he said. I said, I just I'm
Speaker 1: gonna forget my lines and it's a live show. I
Speaker 1: don't want to do it. So he started. He literally
Speaker 1: was lighting things on fire and throwing them at me.
Speaker 1: He goes, do your rack right now, and he just
Speaker 1: started throwing things at me, like shoes and this and that,
Speaker 1: and I was trying to evade that and and do
Speaker 1: my act. I got no sleep that night. I went
Speaker 1: to the Tonight show. It wasn't with Johnny by the way,
Speaker 1: it was with Jay Leno at the time. I didn't
Speaker 1: make it when Johnny was there, but Leno came backstage
Speaker 1: and he's like, how are you doing? I had bags
Speaker 1: into my eyes. I was panicked. I didn't want to
Speaker 1: do it. I said, listen, man, I'm afraid. I don't
Speaker 1: want you know, I'm nervous. And he's like, what are
Speaker 1: you a faid of I go, I'm going to forget
Speaker 1: my stuff and this and that, and I remember he
Speaker 1: was the greatest. He's like, hey, I don't worry about it.
Speaker 1: You know, we'll stop it. We'll stop the tapes and
Speaker 1: and do it again. I go, what, it's a live show.
Speaker 1: He goes, you have but we don't air two eleven,
Speaker 1: you know whatever. So you guys, you couldn't. You can
Speaker 1: mess up, don't. You're gonna be fine. We'll do everything.
Speaker 1: We'll walk you through it. And it was the great
Speaker 1: calmed me down, and uh I got through it. Who
Speaker 1: who are you mistaken for right now does that big
Speaker 1: show probably, I don't know. Does that anybody come up
Speaker 1: and say, aren't you Jason Statha Pavaratti, No, no, not
Speaker 1: stath of what you mean? The new look with this,
Speaker 1: look what I'm going for? Yeah? Are you can see
Speaker 1: you going for Jason Staithe and look, I would love that.
Speaker 1: That's actually a good idea. I don't think it's too
Speaker 1: complimentary of Jason State. But I uh yeah, if Jason
Speaker 1: Statham lost everything, I guess and lived the rest of
Speaker 1: his life on a boat and ate nothing but dominoes.
Speaker 1: But it looks like you're down on your luck, keV.
Speaker 1: I mean in that room, there's there's nothing in the room.
Speaker 1: I kind of sad. Yeah. Do you want me to
Speaker 1: show you around? Yeah? Like that? I mean this, Do
Speaker 1: you have a People's Choice Award in there or anything
Speaker 1: like that? I mean, no, there's no there's nothing. No, No,
Speaker 1: is everything? Okay? Is everything? Okay. I didn't want to
Speaker 1: go into this. I mean I didn't know we were
Speaker 1: going this way with everything, but uh yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I mean thoughts and prayers for you here, I just yes, yes,
Speaker 1: well I'm going with the minimalist life. You know, I
Speaker 1: thinking less is more. No furniture in there looks like
Speaker 1: somebody has been like kids have been scribbling on the
Speaker 1: walls or something. Does that look like scribbling? This chair
Speaker 1: doesn't even have a bottom. I'm actually just squatting right now.
Speaker 1: If I showed you, yeah, I've been full sumo squat
Speaker 1: right now. Well, the movie comes out Friday, January twenty eighth,
Speaker 1: and you can see Kevin James be an NFL well,
Speaker 1: sort of an NFL head coach to twelve year olds.
Speaker 1: It's called Home Team. Hey, it's great to catch up
Speaker 1: with you and up grants on the movie, and thank
Speaker 1: you and thank you for your part. That's all I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say. You were great, you were wonderful. I don't
Speaker 1: want to rout, but yes, I understand I was gonna
Speaker 1: say that I was, but I I'm glad you said it.
Speaker 1: I appreciate. Yes, Kevin, You're amazing. You're amazing in the movie.
Speaker 1: I'm not even kidding. I'm not even kidding because when
Speaker 1: when we got it back from editing, they sent me
Speaker 1: the scene. So I'm gonna say, and it's nothing major
Speaker 1: what you're doing. I'm just saying that, but you made
Speaker 1: it major, which was and I meant that. I called
Speaker 1: Sandler immediately. I go, this guy's getting incredible. He's getting
Speaker 1: he's just getting better and better. Honestly, each movie you do,
Speaker 1: you're amazing. Thank you, Kevin, thank you, good luck, Thanks Budd.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. It's Kevin James movie comes out tomorrow
Speaker 1: called Home Team. I have a little cameo there. I
Speaker 1: don't want to say that I stole the scene, but
Speaker 1: I have to play myself. I know that's the bummer.
Speaker 1: I love to disappear into a role, like totally immersed myself,
Speaker 1: like de Niro, did you know Taxi Driver, like all
Speaker 1: of the great actors where you just say, wow, who
Speaker 1: is that? Oh that's de Niro, that's Christian Bale, that's Brando,
Speaker 1: Oh that's Dan Patrick. Like when I played Abe Lincoln.
Speaker 1: I mean people thought like they that I was really
Speaker 1: Abe Lincoln, and then that's what was amazing. Yes, he's
Speaker 1: sort of like the guy from Succession who it just
Speaker 1: gets so deep in his roles that he it just
Speaker 1: takes over his whole life. Yes, the point I was
Speaker 1: kind of hoping you play like the Saint Special Teams
Speaker 1: coach or something like that. The visor and a clipboard.
Speaker 1: Maybe I could have played Greg Williams, the defensive coordinator
Speaker 1: who brought about bounty gage. You've had a few bounties
Speaker 1: on people over the Yes, I have. I still have
Speaker 1: some bounties I have now there's no need to do that.
Speaker 1: They're outstanding, Yes they are. They're outstanding, and they're outstanding.
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Speaker 1: Peacock app. Sean Payton, former Saints head coach, does that
Speaker 1: sounds strange to hear? Actually, it's the first time I
Speaker 1: heard that and it sounded a little odd. Yes. When
Speaker 1: did you realize though, that you were getting close to
Speaker 1: a decision about stepping away from the Saints. I think
Speaker 1: probably the latter part of the season, and when we finished,
Speaker 1: you always try to kind of avoid, you know, something
Speaker 1: like that when it's raw, right when the season's over with,
Speaker 1: and you know, I spent a couple of days. I
Speaker 1: spoke with Mickey, our general manager, Missus Benson, and and
Speaker 1: then you know, typically a staff has a week off
Speaker 1: after the season before you start on the Senior Bowl
Speaker 1: and the scouting and so we all kind of had
Speaker 1: that vacation. But I'd say, honestly, the last the last
Speaker 1: part of the season, Um, there wasn't one game, There
Speaker 1: wasn't one specific moment. It it just felt like this
Speaker 1: was going to be the time. Who tried to talk
Speaker 1: you out of this? Well, Mickey, who's a dear friend O,
Speaker 1: our GM and I spoke for an hour and a half.
Speaker 1: This is the This was right after the season ended,
Speaker 1: so this is you know, the week prior to the
Speaker 1: wild card round. He was good. I mean, he understood
Speaker 1: we've been together two of us sixteen years. Missus Benson
Speaker 1: was the one that really was adamant, you know that
Speaker 1: I take a week away and and um, and don't
Speaker 1: give her an early decision. Um. And then outside of that,
Speaker 1: you know, Dennis lausch our president the same way. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, both my kids we were all ears. You know,
Speaker 1: they really wanted to be supportive, and you know that
Speaker 1: they there's a it's we've heard burnout before. I don't
Speaker 1: know that it's that. But when you're someplace for sixteen years,
Speaker 1: fifteen seasons, um, you know over a period of time
Speaker 1: that you're you're you're almost ready for another challenge, and
Speaker 1: you don't know the thing about it is that there
Speaker 1: was a week or two leading up to this, and
Speaker 1: then at the at the point where I stepped away,
Speaker 1: there was this discussion that hey, he's going to go
Speaker 1: into TV and I'd like to do that, and yet
Speaker 1: I hadn't heard from anybody. You know, there was this,
Speaker 1: well he's already and I'm like, a kind of hard
Speaker 1: to go in if nobody's asking you to commit, no
Speaker 1: one's asking So fortunately the day of after the press conference, UM,
Speaker 1: we received a number of calls. And but you know,
Speaker 1: there's every once in a while, I think it's all
Speaker 1: right to step outside, be a little uncomfortable in h
Speaker 1: and I think that that had a lot to do
Speaker 1: with it. Do you want to do studio or would
Speaker 1: you like to be part of a game broadcast. That's
Speaker 1: a great question. I don't I don't know, honestly. I'd
Speaker 1: like maybe some expert to say, this is what I
Speaker 1: think you should do, um, because I have no idea. Well,
Speaker 1: here's the here's the problem. And Drew ran into this
Speaker 1: in the playoff game that he did, like, you got
Speaker 1: to be to the point you got twenty seconds, fifteen seconds,
Speaker 1: you have a play clock, you know that you had
Speaker 1: have to adhere to. Yeah, can you do that? Can
Speaker 1: you compartmentalize, say something that is going to be tangent
Speaker 1: to what's going on, Get the hell out of the way.
Speaker 1: Let the play develop. Now what did you just see
Speaker 1: that we didn't see? And yeah, I think so. Um. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: I had a guide a production meeting this year from
Speaker 1: one of the networks asked me to hey, when you're
Speaker 1: taking us through this, take us through it like you
Speaker 1: were you were helping our moms or explaining it to
Speaker 1: our mothers. You know where everyone can understand. And I
Speaker 1: think that in a year where we lost, probably the
Speaker 1: best to ever do it relative to the masses and
Speaker 1: John Madden. You know, when John there's generations that think
Speaker 1: of John either as a coach that wasn't me an announcer,
Speaker 1: that was me, and then certainly the Madden Game, which
Speaker 1: is my son. Um he had a great way in
Speaker 1: ten seconds or even less than that to say, hey,
Speaker 1: they pushed harder here and that's why they gained three yards. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it seems simple, but it's not. And the great ones,
Speaker 1: you know, Romo does an unbelievable job, collins Worth does
Speaker 1: an unbelievable job, Troy does. It's you've got to see it,
Speaker 1: say it, get out of the way and let your
Speaker 1: play by playboys call the action. Now you have to
Speaker 1: clean up the mess right after that of why it
Speaker 1: happened or you know it didn't happen. Yeah. Absolutely, And
Speaker 1: sometimes what I observed from Afar is and with all
Speaker 1: of the guys you just mentioned. I've done some some
Speaker 1: studio work before a Super Bowl or studio on set
Speaker 1: work before whatever, a playoff round, and you have your topic,
Speaker 1: and you know the person in charge is the one
Speaker 1: that's really directing traffic. They've got a hard job. We
Speaker 1: all wait for our little point, you know, they throw
Speaker 1: us the pass and we shoot, We shoot a shot,
Speaker 1: and would then we root for that to happen in
Speaker 1: the game and then when it doesn't happen in the game,
Speaker 1: the coaches are all messed up. Why didn't that happen?
Speaker 1: I predicted it, and so yeah, I think sometimes I
Speaker 1: would guess one of the bigger mistakes would be, uh,
Speaker 1: we're not getting paid by the word. Yes, sometimes it's
Speaker 1: right there for us to watch and and you see that,
Speaker 1: you know, it's interesting. I think one of the better
Speaker 1: compliments would be I can't recall who called the game.
Speaker 1: And my dad used to say, you know, the sign
Speaker 1: of someone that was well dressed. You couldn't remember what
Speaker 1: he wore, but we could certainly remember when we don't
Speaker 1: like what we hear. Well, it's like an umpire in baseball.
Speaker 1: If I don't know your name, you probably had a
Speaker 1: pretty good game. We're talking to Sean Payton, the former
Speaker 1: Saints head coach. I was curious about the stay of
Speaker 1: the Saints and the role that that played in your
Speaker 1: decision salary cap issues. You don't have a franchise quarterback,
Speaker 1: you don't know what's happening with Michael Thomas. You somehow
Speaker 1: squeeze nine wins out of this roster, which was amazing,
Speaker 1: But what role did that play in you deciding that
Speaker 1: you wanted to step away. You know, I've been asked
Speaker 1: that question, but would I would say it had little
Speaker 1: to do with this decision. And here's where I'm going.
Speaker 1: We had fifty eight. We were the first team to
Speaker 1: ever have fifty eight starters in a season. That was
Speaker 1: a record, and so the prior record was fifty seven.
Speaker 1: That team, I'm not sure who won three games. There
Speaker 1: was somebody that had fifty six that won five games.
Speaker 1: We won nine games with fifty eight starters, and we
Speaker 1: won because our defense is playing at an outstanding level.
Speaker 1: We didn't turn the ball over offensively, and granted we
Speaker 1: played four different quarterbacks, but we're built through the offensive line.
Speaker 1: Mike Thomas will be coming back off an entry, and
Speaker 1: we have a salary cap issue, but we had that
Speaker 1: same cap issue in a different even in a more
Speaker 1: dramatical fashion heading into last season. Then you look at
Speaker 1: our division because you want to win, and you look
Speaker 1: at Carolina, and then you look at Atlanta and now, well,
Speaker 1: I'm okay with that, And then you look over at
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay and man, there's gonna be some shuffling of
Speaker 1: the guard there. They won the division, but they didn't
Speaker 1: beat us. So I think, yeah, there's no utopia when
Speaker 1: you walk into one of these jobs and then me leaving.
Speaker 1: I don't think Dan, I don't think it was it
Speaker 1: was because of the current. I would say that almost
Speaker 1: was something that was weighing with me because you don't
Speaker 1: get a defense like this often. You know, it took
Speaker 1: a long time. Yeah, how many teams have reached out
Speaker 1: to you? Not one? No networks? Now, well they they
Speaker 1: would have to reach out to the scenes and look,
Speaker 1: you you know this, you can have a back door. Hey,
Speaker 1: would you have any interest? Um, that's happened maybe with
Speaker 1: a couple a couple of clubs. But I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: not looking at that path right now. At some point,
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm finished coaching. But um, I was
Speaker 1: excited to get two or three calls in texts from
Speaker 1: from people in the television industry. But you have had
Speaker 1: teams back channel, third party, uh two? And And when
Speaker 1: I say that, if I guess, will you tell me? Yeah?
Speaker 1: You know, because it's only you said yes. If I know.
Speaker 1: When I say that, all I'm saying is somebody who's
Speaker 1: close to someone. Man, you'd be really good here. Um,
Speaker 1: this is only we're twenty four or forty eight hours
Speaker 1: remove from it, and that's not my plan. Um. My
Speaker 1: plan is for someone to tell me we think you'd
Speaker 1: be good at played by or not played by play,
Speaker 1: but in game analysis or in studio, we think you'd
Speaker 1: be good at this, and we'd like you to to
Speaker 1: come try it, and I'd be excited because there's a
Speaker 1: part of you that also wants to to listen and
Speaker 1: learn again and not be the one directing. Just how
Speaker 1: can I be great at something, at something different than
Speaker 1: coaching and then teach me the Bears and the Cowboys? No, no, oh,
Speaker 1: that's where it's okay. Oh okay, Well here's the other thing, Sean.
Speaker 1: You can't master it in one year. If if you're
Speaker 1: going to do this, you know you you have to
Speaker 1: go all in and do it. Because Jason Witten wasn't
Speaker 1: ready to do this. He needed to He needed other
Speaker 1: reps to maybe get to a certain point. But if
Speaker 1: you're going to commit to this, then you got to
Speaker 1: look at it and say I'm committed for two years,
Speaker 1: three years, Because if I'm hiring you and it's going
Speaker 1: to be in a booth, you know, studio or interchangeable,
Speaker 1: but in a booth, you're calling a game, and if
Speaker 1: you're there with Joe Buck for Fox, then I want
Speaker 1: to know you want to be there. And we developed
Speaker 1: But and even you know, Jim Nance said this to
Speaker 1: us earlier in the week. This was the first game
Speaker 1: he did with Tony Romo where he thought the five
Speaker 1: years we've been together, that we called our best game
Speaker 1: and they're among the elite to ever do it. But
Speaker 1: that's the commitment you're going to have to make, no,
Speaker 1: I understand, And I think that's kind of exciting. I said, look,
Speaker 1: I might coach again, because I don't want to say
Speaker 1: I'm never doing this and then someday somebody say, well,
Speaker 1: this is what he told us. I thought, you know,
Speaker 1: that happens so often with coaches that. Um, when Madden
Speaker 1: left after ten years, my understanding was he was pursued twice,
Speaker 1: you know, and then and then finally took that job
Speaker 1: with CBS, and uh, yeah, I don't think it's possible
Speaker 1: to dabble in something like that, And it's not possible
Speaker 1: for me to dabble in anything. And um, and I've
Speaker 1: I've listen, I've watched these progressions and these hires, and
Speaker 1: I would I would say, I agree with you with
Speaker 1: with what you're saying. Whitten didn't have a great surrounding
Speaker 1: cast either, but interesting to watch Tony's because the one
Speaker 1: thing that that that's apparent is until that individual's on
Speaker 1: camera for a game or two, it's hard to predict
Speaker 1: how they're going to be and how the television is
Speaker 1: going to receive them. Like, you know, it's probably a
Speaker 1: little bit like a first round pick or a second
Speaker 1: round pick. We think we've got a vision, and yet
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's been a lot of missus and then
Speaker 1: I'm sure there have been some other ones that this
Speaker 1: guy was better than we ever expected. Yeah, it's that
Speaker 1: ability to be able to predict what's going to happen,
Speaker 1: and it helps being a quarterback. You know, with Peyton
Speaker 1: doing it or Romo doing that, that that you're aware that, hey,
Speaker 1: you do your homework. If you were coaching against this team,
Speaker 1: like sure, that's that's your process, probably is like this
Speaker 1: is what we always prepared for, this is what they
Speaker 1: like to do, This is what I would be called.
Speaker 1: Like those are the kind of things where you can
Speaker 1: rely on all of those years of being a head
Speaker 1: coach and assistant coach. Yeah, and you look exactly. Because
Speaker 1: when I watch a game, which isn't often, but when
Speaker 1: you watch a game in a television manner, last weekend
Speaker 1: was a great weekend of football. You're thinking, situationally, thirteen seconds,
Speaker 1: this is what we're going to have to do to
Speaker 1: win this game on defense, or you're thinking, how the
Speaker 1: hell did that happen? How the hell? Now I'm asking
Speaker 1: you as an analyst, Yeah, how the hell did the
Speaker 1: Chiefs do that in thirteen seconds? They did it because defensively,
Speaker 1: Buffalo played outside outside technique in a zone coverage defending
Speaker 1: the sidelines. The problem was Kansas City had timeouts, and
Speaker 1: you can't do that when a team has timeouts. So
Speaker 1: every receiver entered entered the defensive backfield with free access,
Speaker 1: particularly they're better receivers, and it just can't happen. And
Speaker 1: it didn't. You know, there's a there's a four man rush,
Speaker 1: but they're protecting the sidelines when Kansas City didn't need
Speaker 1: to get to the sidelines. Kansas City could go anywhere
Speaker 1: they wanted. That's good, but I would I would have
Speaker 1: cut that down to about fifteen seconds, and you would
Speaker 1: have you would have squeezed it in there. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: So then asked me the end of the Cowboys game,
Speaker 1: and let me see if I can do this better. Okay,
Speaker 1: what did the Cowboys do wrong in this situation? Well, look,
Speaker 1: they're trying to get in field, they're trying to get
Speaker 1: in touchdown range, and they ran a draw. We typically
Speaker 1: would throw a pass and down down. Ultimately, I think
Speaker 1: two further, two more steps for Dak. He's got to
Speaker 1: slide a little quicker. He's up ball asked to go
Speaker 1: to the umpire, Then let's go. We can never hand
Speaker 1: the ball to the center. Okay. I like that. You
Speaker 1: got to speak in fifteen second sound bits. You should
Speaker 1: actually practice this. You know, let's somebody ask you a question,
Speaker 1: give him fifteen seconds and have that clock in your head.
Speaker 1: You know, if pizza is delivered fifteen seconds, that's it.
Speaker 1: Drew Yes calls you fifteen seconds per answer. What are
Speaker 1: you gonna do all day to day? Well, I've got
Speaker 1: a list, I've got I've got to do some packing.
Speaker 1: I'm actually moving into another house here in New Orleans.
Speaker 1: You're going to stay there in New Orleans? Work? Well? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I'm gonna have a presence here. We'll always
Speaker 1: have a presence here and we're moving in from a
Speaker 1: bigger house into a like a condominium development. So I've
Speaker 1: got a number of things I've got to do relative
Speaker 1: to packing. Um, I'm gonna stop there because I'm a
Speaker 1: fifteen seconds. Okay, that's good. That's good. And you got
Speaker 1: a movie tomorrow night that comes or tomorrow comes out
Speaker 1: on Netflix. I you know, I've been asked so much
Speaker 1: about it, and I'm I'm really excited for that group,
Speaker 1: for Adam Sandler and his team and Chris Tytone, who
Speaker 1: is my daughter's boyfriend. Um, I've got zero input in
Speaker 1: in I've helped them with the story. I've got a
Speaker 1: small little cameo and I'm excited, like you are, just
Speaker 1: to watch it. Put it on and see it and
Speaker 1: see what it looks like. You know, it sounds like
Speaker 1: it's going to be funny and along the lines of
Speaker 1: the bad news Bearers and what I say in my cameo,
Speaker 1: just so you know, I don't believe what I said. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm an actor because I I was a little critical
Speaker 1: about you and your ego. Ah, I got it so well.
Speaker 1: I'm a janitor in this movie, and so as a janitor,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be offended about what you say
Speaker 1: about Kevin James playing Sean Payne exactly. Um, could we
Speaker 1: get the visor from your last game? Yeah, we don't.
Speaker 1: We'd like to put it in the man cave. If
Speaker 1: I could, I like it. I will make sure and
Speaker 1: I know where it's at. Um, we will send that
Speaker 1: to you. That might not be the last visor you
Speaker 1: wear as a head coach in the NFL. Well, yeah
Speaker 1: there's a chance. Look, if this television thing goes well,
Speaker 1: and I don't think they're gonna want me an advisor,
Speaker 1: maybe the first game you wear a DVisor, just to
Speaker 1: let it know you're coaching. You know, you pay attention
Speaker 1: to all these things. And Romo and Nance have the
Speaker 1: matching CBS suits, and then certainly Bluck and Ackman go
Speaker 1: a certain direction, and then NBC everyone's got their own little,
Speaker 1: their own little twist to it. It is interesting to watch,
Speaker 1: and it's it's those first two weekends wild card or
Speaker 1: divisional round where one of the networks has two games
Speaker 1: and you get and I don't want to say this
Speaker 1: in any but you get the other team and you're
Speaker 1: watching a playoff game and you're like, hey, why do
Speaker 1: I have the other team? And it's the playoff game,
Speaker 1: and you understand that. Obviously they've got two games. Good
Speaker 1: luck with this and if I can help, let me know.
Speaker 1: You know, I appreciate it. Yeah, I appreciate our friendship
Speaker 1: and working relationship too, all through these years. Thank you, Sean.
Speaker 1: We appreciate it. Good luck, all right, Thank you. Sean Payton,
Speaker 1: the former Saints head coach,