Speaker 1: Look like God alreadyo.
Speaker 2: O lao la look more is I'm Viosa.
Speaker 1: And I'm Mala And I have noticed recently that the
Speaker 1: TikTok crash out is like the newest most popular genre
Speaker 1: of reality television.
Speaker 2: What have you been seeing?
Speaker 1: I've just been seeing so much content from creators on
Speaker 1: TikTok who post themselves in states of like clear crisis.
Speaker 1: But the number of people that tune in like post
Speaker 1: after post, as if it's like an episode of TV unfolding.
Speaker 2: Right, there's a certain voyeurism to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like garnering millions of views, comments are always
Speaker 1: like a mixed bag. Are they supportive, are they hating?
Speaker 1: Are they making fun? It's a little bit of everything,
Speaker 1: and I've just been seeing so much of it, especially
Speaker 1: on TikTok, in particular with with the young people.
Speaker 2: M the young people. Well, more on that in a
Speaker 2: little bit, but let's talk about how we climax and cried?
Speaker 1: I sweet, But first, how did we climax and how
Speaker 1: did we cry? Do you want to get us started?
Speaker 2: Well, I just want to note that that Heen is
Speaker 2: in the studio with us today. He is, so he's
Speaker 2: kind of walking around. If I hold him, you'll hear
Speaker 2: his panting, so you might hear him walking around, but
Speaker 2: just that's just the vibe today.
Speaker 1: We have a little furry guess.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's the star.
Speaker 1: We have a little furry friend. He's been in look
Speaker 1: at though out projects before on camera.
Speaker 2: Yes, he has been. He has been. So I decided
Speaker 2: to bring him today to get him out of the
Speaker 2: house for a little bit. If anyone has a Pomeranian,
Speaker 2: you know that they are not good with children. And
Speaker 2: my mom is babysitting and so he's just so I'm like,
Speaker 2: let's get him out and let's bring him to the studio.
Speaker 2: He's never been.
Speaker 1: Do they get territorial with the kids or like he
Speaker 1: wants the attention that the kids are getting.
Speaker 2: My theory is that Pomeranians have Napoleon syndrome and so
Speaker 2: the little children are like close.
Speaker 1: To his size.
Speaker 2: Okay, so he's like a little threat and buy them.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure, but he is just not good with them.
Speaker 1: They're like other little creatures invading his territory.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so that's why he's joining us today. But
Speaker 2: in terms of climax and cry, well, let me start
Speaker 2: with my climax, Like, well, yes, let me start with
Speaker 2: my climax. I was one of eight hundred runners that
Speaker 2: ran from Altadina to the Palisades. Now, before you get
Speaker 2: too impressed, it was a relay, so I did six
Speaker 2: miles and I was in a team of five, so
Speaker 2: each of us did about six miles. So the organizer
Speaker 2: of this event, Silver Lake Track Club, shared with us
Speaker 2: on Saturday morning that they raise fifty thousand dollars collectively
Speaker 2: and that money is going to various wildfire relief organizations,
Speaker 2: like our friends over at Endelon, the National Day Labors
Speaker 2: Organization Network, and so that was really cool. And so
Speaker 2: it was just a really beautiful experience being out in
Speaker 2: the community running with a bunch of runners with this
Speaker 2: one cause in mind. And obviously races tend to have
Speaker 2: this philanthropic component to it, but this just felt so
Speaker 2: different because it was going to the wildfire relief. So
Speaker 2: that was I think my climax for the week.
Speaker 1: That's fabulous. And it was a relay. Did you guys
Speaker 1: have batons?
Speaker 2: We didn't have batons, but I did see other groups
Speaker 2: have batons and they were really fun ones, Like I
Speaker 2: saw like one of those plastic fake chickens ha ha.
Speaker 2: I saw like a little critter. They're called like Smiski's
Speaker 2: I think that's how you pronounce it. And they're just
Speaker 2: like little little like men, like little figurine like little
Speaker 2: bodies that have a little face and they're green. Oh
Speaker 2: and they're just tiny. And so I saw one one
Speaker 2: team have that. So that was cute.
Speaker 1: Oh, very fun. That sounds like a great time running
Speaker 1: for a cause.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. How about your cry?
Speaker 2: My cry? What is my cry for the week? Oh,
Speaker 2: there's so many things to cry about. Oh no, so
Speaker 2: just generally speaking, just state of the world, Elon musk
Speaker 2: Ai all of it, rfk Junior. I'm just like I'm
Speaker 2: sad about it all the time. So I mean that's
Speaker 2: near my general answer for the week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is dire. It is dire, but I feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, we lived through nine to eleven.
Speaker 2: Yes, We've lived through lots of things. I think just
Speaker 2: my sadness comes from so much being dismantled at a
Speaker 2: policy level, and so I'm like, yes, we will survive
Speaker 2: this historic event, these quote unpreceded times that like we've
Speaker 2: been living through. It's all unprecedented, like for whatever group
Speaker 2: is living at the moment. But yeah, I think more
Speaker 2: so that's what I've been sad about PBS NPR, like
Speaker 2: all that funding. I saw a couple of bookstores arts
Speaker 2: organizations that had their funding cut because they were receiving
Speaker 2: grants from the National Endowment of the Arts. So like midyear,
Speaker 2: they're like funding is being cut and so or their
Speaker 2: grants are being withheld, like just kidding, we're taking this back.
Speaker 2: So it's just a very dire time for the arts
Speaker 2: right now and just for this country for funding, and
Speaker 2: so that's definitely been on my mind this week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the arts and education. I saw also that Donald
Speaker 1: Trump wants to cut the federal grad plus loans in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. So if you want to go to
Speaker 1: graduate school and you're thinking about taking out educational loans,
Speaker 1: do it this year because they might not be available
Speaker 1: come twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I still have my student loans from
Speaker 2: undergrad and I have been a little on edge about them.
Speaker 2: They're small enough that I can pay them off. But
Speaker 2: at the same time, I was kind of hopeful that
Speaker 2: student loans were going to get canceled during the Biden administration,
Speaker 2: so I was like, I'm going to just pay the
Speaker 2: minimum because what if they get canceled. I'm just going
Speaker 2: to keep it, pushing pay the minimum. And now we
Speaker 2: know that that's not happening. And so I logged into
Speaker 2: my student loan portal and they were no longer there.
Speaker 2: They were sold to another company. They're quote in forbearans,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, what does that mean? And so apparently
Speaker 2: that just that's what they call it when they're sold
Speaker 2: to another company, and so they're not delinquent, but just
Speaker 2: the whole thing is just unnecessarily stressful.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, you and I both with the student loans.
Speaker 1: I'm sure lots of our listeners are.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we never really talked about that. God, but
Speaker 2: because it's one of those things where you stuff it
Speaker 2: down under, you do not. I do not want to
Speaker 2: talk about this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but we have loans. We have plenty of loans,
Speaker 1: and I'm accumulating more and that's fine. We'll see what happens.
Speaker 1: Those are really good climaxes and christs.
Speaker 2: It's all in the name of education. Something I think
Speaker 2: both of our parents instilled in us was like pursuing
Speaker 2: higher ed and my dad growing up San Medico, he
Speaker 2: always told me like and so that was like something
Speaker 2: that was really important to him that we like pursued
Speaker 2: higher education. I don't think you should like go into
Speaker 2: debt like by any means necessary. But I also don't
Speaker 2: think like funding should be a reason you don't go
Speaker 2: to school.
Speaker 1: Oh of course. Yeah, it's this unfortunate reality in the
Speaker 1: United States in particular, that tuition money is a barrier. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and access to funding to pay that tuition is a
Speaker 1: barrier to entry for a lot of fields. I mean, like,
Speaker 1: I was just learning about this board exam that my
Speaker 1: friend Liliah has to take, and just to schedule the exam,
Speaker 1: it costs nine hundred dollars.
Speaker 2: Oh wow.
Speaker 1: You know that's just to like get a date on calendar.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: And there's other fees and then if you don't take it,
Speaker 1: or if you fail, you have to take it again.
Speaker 1: It's just like and that's one one test in the
Speaker 1: in the grand scheme of the whole like med school journey.
Speaker 2: But AnyWho, how did you climax? How did you.
Speaker 1: Cry onto me? Mike? Climax is my climax. I feel
Speaker 1: is on its way, okay, because I'm going to EADC
Speaker 1: this weekend, which is my first rave. I've never been
Speaker 1: to a rave. And I'm going to DC for the
Speaker 1: first time with my partner. We're very excited. We've been
Speaker 1: getting ready basically since November, and the prep and all
Speaker 1: that has just been really fun and we're really looking
Speaker 1: forward to it. He also he went to EDC when
Speaker 1: he was like a senior in high school, when it
Speaker 1: was at the.
Speaker 2: College the coliseum when people died.
Speaker 1: Yes, when people died, because then it got.
Speaker 2: Osted because the following year wasn't the first time they
Speaker 2: did it in Vegas, And I went.
Speaker 1: Oh, did you really? What was that? So it was
Speaker 1: the first year in Vegas? What was that?
Speaker 2: Like? Well, I was not even eighteen. I like, use actually,
Speaker 2: let me not incriminate myself. I was not eighteen, but
Speaker 2: I went. And I think because I wasn't a raver,
Speaker 2: it was just like it was fun. It was fun
Speaker 2: for that age, you know, and like being up all night,
Speaker 2: but you know, I wasn't like partaking in the things
Speaker 2: that people do at rave.
Speaker 1: Sure.
Speaker 2: Oh I think that also, you know, made it like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm tired, let's two three am, let's go.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's what I've been told is it's a marathon
Speaker 1: of an experience. It's three days and you basically are
Speaker 1: sleeping all afternoon and all morning and then like heading
Speaker 1: out to the rave. That's Vegas, like at six pm.
Speaker 2: That's Vegas for you.
Speaker 1: And I don't really do Vegas. I've never been to Vegas. Girl.
Speaker 1: I know it's like it's like the thing to do
Speaker 1: for a lot of people, like.
Speaker 2: A write a passage for some people.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I went to Vegas a couple of times, maybe
Speaker 1: in my early twenties with my friend and my sister,
Speaker 1: but it never really appealed to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there are some people, like I have family members
Speaker 2: who love to go to Vegas. They have their annual trips.
Speaker 2: That's like never been my style either.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm excited for you, thank you, thank you. I
Speaker 1: will report back. Yes, I have my looks, I have
Speaker 1: my outfits.
Speaker 2: Yeah, are you going to tease any of the outfits
Speaker 2: like on socials? Are you gonna wait or are you
Speaker 2: going to show anything? You know what?
Speaker 1: I kind of did tease an outfit already because when
Speaker 1: I went to Cowboy Carter, I wore pieces that.
Speaker 2: Was a fabulous look, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: I wore pieces of my like Saturday edc look with
Speaker 1: like this denim jumpsuit cue so that was kind of
Speaker 1: a tease of its own. And then I'll wear the
Speaker 1: full thing and post it.
Speaker 2: What is your cry for the week?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, my cry for the week? You know, Okay,
Speaker 1: let's be frank. We've been talking like podcasting stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and like we you know, I think we try and
Speaker 1: share here and there, like growing pains and being like
Speaker 1: entrepreneurs and self employed and working in the podcasting industry
Speaker 1: and doing all the things that we do is fabulous
Speaker 1: and so fun. But there also are these like obstacles,
Speaker 1: and these moments were like, Okay, we have to like
Speaker 1: make an assessment, yeah, and make a pivot and game
Speaker 1: plan and take action. And so the podcast is in
Speaker 1: this like moment of pivotal like like nothing but opportunity
Speaker 1: for growth first of all, Yes, but it's a in
Speaker 1: a moment where like we're pivoting.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't want to put too much pressure on us,
Speaker 2: but it does feel like a pretty big year in
Speaker 2: like both the positive and like in a challenging way,
Speaker 2: you know, And so I.
Speaker 1: Feel that, Yeah, so you know, just there's work to do,
Speaker 1: that's all.
Speaker 2: There's always work to be done.
Speaker 1: There's always work to be done. But I mean it's good.
Speaker 1: You know, it's good. It's like a living thing is
Speaker 1: gonna grow and you go through its ups and downs.
Speaker 1: That means it's live. Yeah, there's blood pumping. So yeah,
Speaker 1: more from us, more from us, we're teasing news.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Also on social oh yeah, more to come. This
Speaker 2: is I think the most not growth, but I guess
Speaker 2: newness that we're bringing to not just look at thought
Speaker 2: a radio, but just as a production company. And so
Speaker 2: with that, it's I think we've in some ways wanted
Speaker 2: things to look a certain way or like be perfect,
Speaker 2: or just you know, wait for the right opportunity. But
Speaker 2: I think what we've learned in the last couple of
Speaker 2: weeks especially, is like you just have to do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: There are actually a lot of people that have been
Speaker 2: in the industry for less years that are putting out projects,
Speaker 2: that are putting out opportunities, and I don't know what
Speaker 2: we've been waiting for. I mean, I know why. Internally,
Speaker 2: we know why. But it does kind of give you
Speaker 2: that point of reflection of is like, all right, let's
Speaker 2: just do it. Then everyone else is doing something, let's
Speaker 2: do it too.
Speaker 1: Yeah. We've had a lot of ideas in the works
Speaker 1: over the years. Like we've been ideating for a long
Speaker 1: time and we've put out a lot of work. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm still really proud of Senora sex Ed and having
Speaker 1: two shows. Oh yeah, you know at iHeart is no
Speaker 1: small feat. But there's more, more, more to do, more
Speaker 1: to come.
Speaker 2: Don't go anywhere, lokomotives. We'll be right back.
Speaker 1: And we're back with more of our episode.
Speaker 2: All right, well, thank you for listening to Climax and Cry.
Speaker 2: Let's get into o Ye.
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Speaker 2: question is how do you keep up with self maintenance
Speaker 2: like nails, hair, skin, makeup? All of my life, I've
Speaker 2: been a low maintenance girl, but I'm changing.
Speaker 1: I love that I am changing. You have always been
Speaker 1: really good with that is like always going in for
Speaker 1: your lash fills and getting your nails filled and doing
Speaker 1: it on a regular basis.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I am a high maintenance person. I don't
Speaker 2: consider it high maintenance because it just feels like this
Speaker 2: is just who I am and this is just a
Speaker 2: part of me. Something I've been kind of not laughing.
Speaker 2: Something I've been kind of sitting with and I say
Speaker 2: this kind of playfully but also seriously, is like I
Speaker 2: have to keep my nails forever because with kind of
Speaker 2: this puritan conservative culture, you know, coming back in terms
Speaker 2: of fashion, I'm like, oh, I have to keep my
Speaker 2: nails long, Like I can't have short nails. As it's
Speaker 2: a political statement now. I mean it's always been, but
Speaker 2: especially now because I have been feeling like I'm lifting more,
Speaker 2: I'm playing tennis, Like maybe I should shorten my nails.
Speaker 2: Maybe I should do something a little more low key.
Speaker 2: That is not who I am, and it is a
Speaker 2: political statement for me. It's an extension of my politics. Right,
Speaker 2: We've talked about Femi's politics for a long time. So
Speaker 2: I think for that reason, it doesn't feel like, oh,
Speaker 2: I gotta go do this. It feels like, Okay, I
Speaker 2: get to do this, Like to have the luxury to
Speaker 2: do my hair. I've been a redhead for three years.
Speaker 2: That's not inexpensive, that's not a cheap thing to do,
Speaker 2: and I've made it work. And yeah, that's how it
Speaker 2: feels for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I am a really appreciate your consistency. It's because
Speaker 1: I know that it's like it's scheduling and its work
Speaker 1: and it's time and it's money. Me personally, like I
Speaker 1: am getting back into my nails and lashes, which I've
Speaker 1: always dabbled in here and there, but I feel like
Speaker 1: I've been more of like I'll do the nails and
Speaker 1: the lashes if there's like an occasion, if there's an
Speaker 1: event maybe, But I've always always also been a fan
Speaker 1: of the strip lash. You know, it's there when you
Speaker 1: need it and at the length that you want it
Speaker 1: and just for the for the night, you know. I
Speaker 1: also have like such anxiety about like personally, like I've
Speaker 1: I've always had a lot of anxiety about like the
Speaker 1: false lashes, pulling out my natural lashes and then being
Speaker 1: stuck in a cycle of feeling like I need to
Speaker 1: constantly get lashes put on because I'm losing my natural
Speaker 1: lash right, and like that's a cycle that terrifies me
Speaker 1: that I know want to be a part of. Yes,
Speaker 1: you know, and I know, and my mom has been
Speaker 1: wearing false lashes every week for decades because she performs
Speaker 1: on stage. And so I've also always like learned from
Speaker 1: her and watched her as far as giving her lashes
Speaker 1: like a chance to recover totally, you know, and like
Speaker 1: letting them go back and like doing the latis and
Speaker 1: all that stuff, because like all that is so delicate,
Speaker 1: you know, And then we hear stories about like, oh,
Speaker 1: like women who overpluck their brows and they never go back.
Speaker 1: These things just have always maybe nervous, but.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's that was the thing. Well, yeah, I also
Speaker 2: feel like lashes are the one thing I'm okay with
Speaker 2: letting go where I'm like, I kind of I go
Speaker 2: through that cycle as well. And it's actually it's been
Speaker 2: harder for me to wear contacts because of the lashes.
Speaker 2: That's why I wear glasses a lot. Yeah, and I
Speaker 2: think it's because I'm blinking less. This is my my
Speaker 2: non medical professional opinion.
Speaker 1: You blink less when you have the lashes.
Speaker 2: This is what I'm thinking, Like, my eyes are getting
Speaker 2: dryer because of the lashes. Interesting, so that's why contacts
Speaker 2: bother me. Now, Oh is my thought process.
Speaker 1: It's just a lot going on, yes on one little
Speaker 1: eye or little eyeballs. Yeah, but they're beautiful, but like
Speaker 1: they're beautiful and you always look like done.
Speaker 2: Yes, that is That's what keeps me going.
Speaker 1: You always look done and you don't have to do
Speaker 1: like a full face of hair.
Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, my mom used to dye her eyebrows
Speaker 2: back in the nineties, and my mom has lost a
Speaker 2: lot of like almost all of her eyebrow hair, right,
Speaker 2: and it is something that she's self conscious of. So whenever,
Speaker 2: like I go to the salon and they're like, do
Speaker 2: you want to dye your eyebrows to match your hair,
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, I will color them in.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: There's so many reasons, like she could have lost her
Speaker 2: eyebrow hair. Yeah, but that is one of the things
Speaker 2: she feels like, Wow, I wonder if it was the
Speaker 2: hair dye because it was meant for her scalp not
Speaker 2: for face.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely absolutely, And all those little hairs everything is
Speaker 1: just so delicate and all little follicles are delicate. So
Speaker 1: I don't know, I feel like, obviously do you, yes,
Speaker 1: always do you? And whatever fits your lifestyle. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: with school and like handling equipment. The nails were not realistic, yeah,
Speaker 1: and yeah, but I love them, you know, And I
Speaker 1: just feel so polished when I have everything done, so
Speaker 1: I think enjoy it and like have fun with it.
Speaker 2: There's also I think, I mean, in addition to the economy,
Speaker 2: there's been a rise of press on nails, and that
Speaker 2: just feels like a low maintenance trick, similar to the
Speaker 2: strip lashes. You have them when you want them. You
Speaker 2: don't have to be committed to them for like a
Speaker 2: full cycle of a set. You can just pop on
Speaker 2: the press ons.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I've been seeing a lot of beautiful brands,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, with gorgeous options and like long ones. You know,
Speaker 1: it's not your like your CBS brand.
Speaker 2: No, there's like designer press on nails now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I feel like they're getting pretty good with
Speaker 1: the adhesive they.
Speaker 2: Are, They're getting better. Yeah, that's what I would worry.
Speaker 2: During twenty twenty, I was wearing press ons because I
Speaker 2: wanted to feel like a little semblance of myself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it would pudemic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would put press ons on because I wasn't
Speaker 2: going to the nailsal on like many of us, and
Speaker 2: that did make me feel like a little put together.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, So thank you for that question. I think
Speaker 1: it's it's on the minds of a lot of a
Speaker 1: lot of batties. Yes, we love it. It's okay to
Speaker 1: take a break. It's always going to be there. The
Speaker 1: beauty industry is not going anywhere.
Speaker 2: No, no, if anything, if you're going to splurt on anything,
Speaker 2: in my opinion, get a facial. That's the one thing
Speaker 2: I think, like, if you're going to give yourself only
Speaker 2: one luxury, is like, get the facial. Because depending where
Speaker 2: you live, I mean anywhere you live, there's pollution, if
Speaker 2: you're working out, there's just our skin barrier gets damaged.
Speaker 2: And I think that that's one good splurge if you
Speaker 2: want to call it a splurge, Like if you can
Speaker 2: only spend on one, I think it should be the facials.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like good skin, glowing skin is going to like
Speaker 1: take you farther than most everything else.
Speaker 2: Agreed, I agree with that. Don't go anywhere, lokomotives.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back, and we're back with more of
Speaker 1: our episode.
Speaker 2: Well, let's get into today's topic.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, So today we're talking about the millennial
Speaker 1: breakdown and the gen Z crash out. We're seeing similarities,
Speaker 1: we're seeing there's like a trajectory, there's like a timeline
Speaker 1: here from millennial breakdown to gen Z crash out. And
Speaker 1: we're just gonna like talk through it because we've been
Speaker 1: noticing some things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and let's define crash out. What is
Speaker 2: a crash out?
Speaker 1: So from what I've seen on TikTok, it can mean
Speaker 1: a couple different things.
Speaker 2: Okay, it can be used as a noun, all right.
Speaker 1: Sometimes the girlies post oh, like in reference to themselves,
Speaker 1: when you're a retired crash out and blah blah blah
Speaker 1: blah blah.
Speaker 2: Okay, this meaning I used to lose it, all right.
Speaker 1: And freak out on people or myself back in the day,
Speaker 1: but now I don't. Okay, that's my understanding. So that's
Speaker 1: a noun. It's self referential. I've also seen it as like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is an experience someone is having. Someone is crashing out.
Speaker 2: Okay, they're like.
Speaker 1: Unwinding, they're unraveling, they're having some type of a meltdown.
Speaker 1: And at this point people are posting their own crash
Speaker 1: outs and putting them right online. So that's my understanding.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so definitely rooted in like a mental health crisis
Speaker 2: is how I've understood it. There's a lot of different
Speaker 2: ways folks online talk about mental health crises, like the
Speaker 2: crash out, the mentib.
Speaker 1: The mentib r.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and so but like calling it what
Speaker 2: it is in simple terms, it is a mental breakdown.
Speaker 2: It's a mental health crisis.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that's what's what's interesting is the
Speaker 1: the content and oh, this is a crashout. It's entertaining.
Speaker 1: Sometimes people find it funny. A lot of these video
Speaker 1: will garner lots of views. I remember when Gaby Hannah,
Speaker 1: who is like a musician slash like influencer, Gabby Hannah,
Speaker 1: had a very public what would be described as a
Speaker 1: crash out, and like many many videos, many posts, many episodes,
Speaker 1: and after a while, you see in the comment and
Speaker 1: the comments folks starting to sort of the tone shifts
Speaker 1: and it goes from like, oh, like, you know, we're
Speaker 1: hating on Gaby Hannah. We think she's like I don't know,
Speaker 1: we think she's ridiculous too. We think that she's not okay,
Speaker 1: and she's like clearly in the middle of a mental
Speaker 1: health crisis.
Speaker 2: Okay, got it.
Speaker 1: And then at some point, for those who were following,
Speaker 1: because I was following, I was watching, at some point
Speaker 1: somebody who was watching all this happen and all her
Speaker 1: posts online showed up at her house and got into
Speaker 1: her home and then there's a video of her realizing like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is a random person, get out
Speaker 1: of my house. Okay, So it was like it was
Speaker 1: a really wild time. She's not the only one. I
Speaker 1: think that there's like just more private people who end
Speaker 1: up opening TikTok accounts and posting like their unraveling. But
Speaker 1: then we have like these other celeb and like creator types,
Speaker 1: like a Nikita Dragon for example.
Speaker 2: Right, And I haven't really followed these like celeb quote
Speaker 2: crash outs on TikTok or Instagram. They just don't really
Speaker 2: reach my algorithm. But sometimes I learn about them after
Speaker 2: the fact. And I was reading about or I was
Speaker 2: watching a video about Justin Bieber allegedly having a crash
Speaker 2: out after Selena Gomez's engagement announcement in her album all
Speaker 2: of that, and that was when I kind of started
Speaker 2: seeing like, oh, he's having like a mental health crisis.
Speaker 2: But I couldn't actually track down like the original videos,
Speaker 2: and I like wasn't really going to deep dive into it.
Speaker 2: But that was when I started kind of picking up like, Okay,
Speaker 2: wait a second, we're talking about it in different ways now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, when we were younger, it was not a
Speaker 1: crash out. The term was.
Speaker 2: Breakdown, breakdown. This celeb had a breakdown and it was
Speaker 2: captured by paparazzi usually.
Speaker 1: Usually Yeah, I think Justin Bieber was also like a
Speaker 1: paparazzi situation more recently. But I do feel like I
Speaker 1: don't know if he was posting himself per se.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, but but yes, I.
Speaker 1: Feel like if you're an A lister, the paparazzi are
Speaker 1: still out there. Oh yeah, and now people who are
Speaker 1: not a list celebrities are almost their own paparazzi.
Speaker 2: Yes. It it's a part of the surveillance state, right
Speaker 2: where we're just so happy to like film ourselves us included, right,
Speaker 2: we include ourselves in that we're so happy to put
Speaker 2: our lives on display in these ways, and for some
Speaker 2: people that even include like these mental health breakdowns, these
Speaker 2: quote crashouts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's it's fascinating and like we were talking
Speaker 1: about this when we were prepping for this episode about
Speaker 1: like Britney Spears just being straight up stocked, followed, harassed,
Speaker 1: like she couldn't go anywhere without paparazzi following her, taking
Speaker 1: photos of her, taking videos of her in her lowest
Speaker 1: moments right right, And I think that that still happens,
Speaker 1: But I don't think there's ever been a time where
Speaker 1: like otherwise anonymous people, yeah, would have their mental health
Speaker 1: crisis projected for millions of people to see.
Speaker 2: That's a really good point because even someone like Britney Spears, right,
Speaker 2: there was the free Britney movement to remove her from
Speaker 2: her conservatorship, and then she was removed from her conservatorship
Speaker 2: started posting online and people could not handle I think
Speaker 2: for her mental state no where. It's like we wanted
Speaker 2: I think in their minds, not we Mala and I,
Speaker 2: but it's like in their minds they wanted a quote
Speaker 2: free Brittany, but they wanted still wanted her to be
Speaker 2: like the polished pop Brittany, pop Brittany when actually, like
Speaker 2: this woman has so much healing to do. And so
Speaker 2: we're then because she has a celebrity status, we're like
Speaker 2: uncomfortable by the quote crash out or this like mental
Speaker 2: health breakdown online. Yeah, And I think that we also
Speaker 2: see that with like these influencers or just online folks
Speaker 2: that have like big followings or not, like sometimes things
Speaker 2: just go viral.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Also, what's been interesting for me to observe. Okay,
Speaker 1: so there's somebody that I know who also has had
Speaker 1: their own social media platform of sorts, who is recently
Speaker 1: posting a lot of very concerning videos of themselves in
Speaker 1: a clear like state of like crisis. But because of
Speaker 1: this person's sort of branding and the type of following
Speaker 1: that they've cultivated over the years, it's very interesting to
Speaker 1: see in the comments some follow like no matter what
Speaker 1: this person says or does, or the accusations they make
Speaker 1: about other people, or like the comments they make about
Speaker 1: themselves that are just clearly like histrionic and like delusional,
Speaker 1: because of the type of following that they've cultivated, there
Speaker 1: are there are are commenters followers who are still extremely
Speaker 1: supportive and like validating through the things being said.
Speaker 2: You know, they're maybe not seeing it for what it is, yes, right,
Speaker 2: with that kind of objective lens of like wait, maybe
Speaker 2: this person is not doing okay, Like this.
Speaker 1: Person needs to go to the hospital, right, this person
Speaker 1: is unwell. That was fascinating for me to observe that
Speaker 1: you can almost have people who are are such big
Speaker 1: fans of what you're doing that they're not seeing when
Speaker 1: actually you're deeply unwell, and it's like the blind support yea,
Speaker 1: you know, which I think feeds into this sort of
Speaker 1: like cycle of then you're in a state of crisis,
Speaker 1: you're posting, getting a lot of feedback and attention and views,
Speaker 1: We're going to post more. It like feeds. Yes, the
Speaker 1: mainia the delusion.
Speaker 2: Because social media does have that dopamine effect, right like
Speaker 2: you do. Your brain does get something out of being online,
Speaker 2: the out of posting, out of the validation. I even
Speaker 2: catch myself sometimes like I'm feeling really insecure today, I'm
Speaker 2: feeling like I want affirmations, and instead of texting my
Speaker 2: friend group, I'm like, let me post to strangers. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And then I have to be like, wait a second,
Speaker 2: hold on, girl, Yeah, maybe that's not the move. Post
Speaker 2: because you want to post, but posting because you maybe
Speaker 2: want an external validation because you're feeling sad today, you know,
Speaker 2: is maybe not the best thing for you right now.
Speaker 2: And so I think there's all these different levels to it.
Speaker 2: Right There's like maybe something more extreme of like a
Speaker 2: quote crash out having a mental health crisis online, and
Speaker 2: then there's the maybe a quote lesser where you're seeking
Speaker 2: external validation because of that dopamine effect, which is still
Speaker 2: tied to like our mental health and our brain and
Speaker 2: how we function.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and in both instances, whether it's seeking support or
Speaker 1: attention for a crisis or seeking validation, it's going to
Speaker 1: the same place where you are not going to find
Speaker 1: what you actually need. Oh yeah, right, it's just it's
Speaker 1: something else. It's a third thing. It's not help and
Speaker 1: it's not true like love and support. It's engagement. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's engagement, and so people are like engaging with the
Speaker 1: need or the call or the post what have you,
Speaker 1: but the issue is not being addressed.
Speaker 2: And on the flip side, like, for folks watching this
Speaker 2: type of content, why do you think we as we
Speaker 2: like the royal we as a society because we're all
Speaker 2: in this, we're all on social media. Maybe we don't
Speaker 2: consume it ourselves, but why do we What is the
Speaker 2: attraction to this type of content? We talked about voyeurism
Speaker 2: at the top of the episode, right, is it like
Speaker 2: does it make us feel better about ourselves? Like, oh,
Speaker 2: we're not look at how sad they look?
Speaker 1: Can't lie? Sometimes it does make it feel better about myself. Yes, actually,
Speaker 1: like okay, things might be tough, but they're not here,
Speaker 1: So they're not here. That's horrible. But I think I'm
Speaker 1: just being honest, can't help it. That's that's sometimes an
Speaker 1: immediate like who I hope they get everything they need,
Speaker 1: and I hope that if I was in this type
Speaker 1: of a state that my loved ones would like say
Speaker 1: something and intervene and step in. But I also think
Speaker 1: it's the same phenomenon watching a crash out on TikTok
Speaker 1: and like tuning in is not that different from watching
Speaker 1: a crash on the freeway, and how traffic.
Speaker 2: Always slows, always stops the looky loose.
Speaker 1: No matter what. Yeah, no matter like the size of
Speaker 1: the crash, the traffic always slows down because people want
Speaker 1: to get a look at the crash. It's the same thing.
Speaker 2: I think that is like a right of Like it's
Speaker 2: like a train crash. I can't look away. Yes, I
Speaker 2: want to look away, but I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't. Why do we watch horror films and people
Speaker 1: get mutilated? I mean, it's this very strange thing that
Speaker 1: that clicks in the human mind when we see chaos
Speaker 1: and carnage.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very dark, very dark. I mean I think
Speaker 2: that that raises a question like, does it give us
Speaker 2: control or does it give us the illusion of control,
Speaker 2: either by making this type of content or just filming ourselves,
Speaker 2: and then it becomes content because maybe it's not with
Speaker 2: the intention of it being content, but like you said, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm posting it and people are engaging, so I'm going
Speaker 2: to keep posting it, and so then it does become content.
Speaker 2: So does it give us an illusion of control or
Speaker 2: does it actually give us control?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: I think is the question.
Speaker 1: Yes, And control of what? Maybe control of the way
Speaker 1: that you're.
Speaker 2: Viewed, control of self. Maybe it feels like the only
Speaker 2: thing you can control. I can post this online, I
Speaker 2: can take it down if I want to, not really
Speaker 2: write on social media anymore. You can like screen record anything.
Speaker 2: But there is I think maybe this sense of control, Yeah, a.
Speaker 1: Sense of control and maybe hoping maybe someone out there
Speaker 1: will see this and will have the answer. Yeah, maybe's
Speaker 1: one of these millions of people. Yeah, will give me
Speaker 1: the help that I need, I will say.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm obviously, I think a little older than
Speaker 2: the gen zs and the folks that we've seen do this.
Speaker 2: But when I had my own mental health breakdown not
Speaker 2: that long ago, the first thing I did was call
Speaker 2: a hotline because I didn't even call my friends because
Speaker 2: I was like, this is too heavy. I know my
Speaker 2: friends are there for me and they will pick up
Speaker 2: the phone if I need it, but I need to
Speaker 2: talk to a professional. And actually didn't go that far
Speaker 2: because as I was texting the hotline, I was like,
Speaker 2: I think just doing it kind of like calmed my
Speaker 2: nervous system. And I was like, Okay, I'm fine. I
Speaker 2: need to work through this and I need to make
Speaker 2: a game plan for the situation that I'm in right now,
Speaker 2: but I have a handle on myself. And then I
Speaker 2: texted my friends after I was like, in a commerce
Speaker 2: sense state of mind, but that's me. I'm also they're
Speaker 2: very therapized. My immediate thought was not like let me
Speaker 2: film myself crying, right, you know, but there is it's
Speaker 2: so normalized that I do see why people do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very normalized. And I think that's a reminder.
Speaker 1: Call a hotline. Yeah, get into therapy, go to the hospital, like,
Speaker 1: go see a doctor, Go speak to a mental health professional,
Speaker 1: look up an organization like NAMI. You know, there are
Speaker 1: resources out there. TikTok itself is not a resource. It
Speaker 1: might lead you to resources, but in and of itself,
Speaker 1: it's not therapy. It's not a therapist. It's not a psychiatrist.
Speaker 2: Chat GPT is not a therapist.
Speaker 1: No, it's not. That's something else people are doing, is
Speaker 1: like talking to their chat GPT as if it's their therapist.
Speaker 2: That is not a replacement for therapy. All of these
Speaker 2: things are tools, and I like AI is a tool,
Speaker 2: whether you agree with it or not, it's obviously out
Speaker 2: there as a tool for us, but it's not a
Speaker 2: search engine. It's people are using it as a search engine,
Speaker 2: but it's not a replacement for real like care, like therapy. No, right,
Speaker 2: same with TikTok. TikTok is a tool. Social media is
Speaker 2: a tool for us to find information, to even find misinformation, right.
Speaker 2: And then there's therapists that become like therapy influencers. Right,
Speaker 2: But that is just like one thing. It's not the
Speaker 2: only thing.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And I think it's important also to remember, like
Speaker 1: I think about people like Whitney Houston and Amy Winehouse
Speaker 1: and yes Britney Spears, and like these women were so
Speaker 1: talented global superstars had these adoring fan bases, but on
Speaker 1: some level the fan base is also turned on them, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and mistreated them.
Speaker 2: Sorry say that again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but at some point and on some level, their
Speaker 1: fan bases turned on them and mistreated them. And we're
Speaker 1: very unkind to them in their most vulnerable moments. Right.
Speaker 1: And so with an audience like a TikTok audience or
Speaker 1: an Instagram audience what have you, the audience is not
Speaker 1: They're not really your friends and they're not really going
Speaker 1: to take care of you, right, And it's important to
Speaker 1: remember that too. I think when we're going to our audiences,
Speaker 1: like asking for these types of help and support, like
Speaker 1: you know, you got to go to like your family,
Speaker 1: your friends, your actual in person community who knows you
Speaker 1: and they're invested in you and they love you. And
Speaker 1: again to like your medical team. No one's going to
Speaker 1: be more invested in your well being than those people.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think you can use your social media account,
Speaker 2: your following as a like I've said already, like a tool,
Speaker 2: a resource in the sense that you're like, hey, where
Speaker 2: can I find this? You know I shared you know
Speaker 2: many years ago I used to talk about how I
Speaker 2: found Open Path Collective to find my therapist, and that
Speaker 2: was something that people would then ask me, like will
Speaker 2: you posted about this one time. I still get like
Speaker 2: dms about it, like recently and it's been years.
Speaker 1: Now, I saw a therapists through them because you mentioned them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I feel like that like using social media
Speaker 2: in that way, right, especially if you're not a therapist,
Speaker 2: like not giving advice, right, if you're not licensed to
Speaker 2: like give therapy. Clearly obviously that's its own conversation. But
Speaker 2: I think like if you're sharing resources, like that's a
Speaker 2: good way to use social media totally, but using it
Speaker 2: like it's a therapy, like it's therapy itself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And following this is another thing of there's influencers
Speaker 1: who will post like therapy tips yeah and insights because
Speaker 1: they themselves are in therapy. Yes, but that also is
Speaker 1: not a replacement for actual therapy. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I've found I've seen a couple of videos like this
Speaker 2: and they're more so in like just and they're funny,
Speaker 2: but there there's truth to it. It's like ways my
Speaker 2: therapist drive me today? Yes, you know you want to
Speaker 2: know what my therapist said to me today? Can you
Speaker 2: believe this? Like that kind of content, And I've like
Speaker 2: there have been times where my therapist that has said
Speaker 2: something like really powerful and like that really made me
Speaker 2: shift perspective on something or change my mind. And I've
Speaker 2: thought about sharing it, like this was helpful for me.
Speaker 2: Take it if you need it, but there's just always
Speaker 2: something in me that like stops, not because I don't
Speaker 2: think it's helpful, but just like who am I? Like
Speaker 2: I'm in my own process. Everyone's experience is so unique,
Speaker 2: shaped by everything they've lived through that it might not
Speaker 2: actually apply to you totally. You know, it might be
Speaker 2: helpful in some ways, but there's just always that part
Speaker 2: of me that's like, hmm, no, that's just not my thing.
Speaker 2: I think there was a while where I was very
Speaker 2: much like everyone needs to be in therapy. Let's normalize
Speaker 2: talking about therapy and going to therapy. And I still
Speaker 2: feel that way, but it's not so much a part
Speaker 2: of like my social media presence, if you will. But
Speaker 2: I think for like a hot minute, it.
Speaker 1: Was, Yeah, I think the content changes as like we
Speaker 1: move through life. You know, uh, yeah, I love that
Speaker 1: show Couples Therapy. It's so good. But then it's like
Speaker 1: watching them does not mean that I'm in my own
Speaker 1: therapy session. It doesn't mean that I've gone through a session,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm just I'm watching somebody else do their work,
Speaker 1: you know, but that doesn't replace doing your own work.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I don't know. I wonder what you guys
Speaker 1: out there think about this, if you've noticed this, the
Speaker 1: gen Z crash out, the TikTok crash out, if it
Speaker 1: reminds you at all of like breakdowns that we would
Speaker 1: see of celebrities in the two thousands. For example, we
Speaker 1: talked about Britney Spears, And I don't know, what do
Speaker 1: you guys think about it? Like, is it just a
Speaker 1: way for people to express themselves, is it building community?
Speaker 1: Is it looking for support? Like is that even possible
Speaker 1: on TikTok? I'm curious about what the listeners think.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think at its core, there is maybe a
Speaker 2: part of it's like I want help and I want
Speaker 2: to be seeing people want to be seen. Especially I
Speaker 2: think this generation that really did not experience like the
Speaker 2: coming of age milestones because of the pandemic, right, And
Speaker 2: I feel like that like the long term effects on
Speaker 2: mental health and younger generations like is still to be
Speaker 2: seen totally. And so I just wonder if there's that's
Speaker 2: part of the piece of it.
Speaker 1: Also, Yeah, I think what we also see online is
Speaker 1: a lot of conversations about our attention spans, and we've
Speaker 1: talked about this. Trends move so quickly, so I feel
Speaker 1: like that our timing with everything is so fast, and
Speaker 1: we move on from things and the pandemic ended, so
Speaker 1: that's over and we're moving on now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like there's also some type of like
Speaker 2: our brain is maybe, well, we're all traumatized, right, I
Speaker 2: think there's a collective trauma. Millions of people died. It's
Speaker 2: how can we not be traumatized as a society, And
Speaker 2: so I do think there's like something in our brain
Speaker 2: that's like defense that is behind us when it's really not.
Speaker 2: It hasn't been that long, and the effects I think,
Speaker 2: like I said, I think are still to be seen.
Speaker 2: Like there's a reason we're in a loneliness epidemic. There's
Speaker 2: a reason there's like a rise in like the Man
Speaker 2: of Sphere, like all everything that happened in isolation. I
Speaker 2: just think we're seeing the effects of it now. We're
Speaker 2: seeing a trickle out into like then the public.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the reverberations will last for a long time.
Speaker 1: I think, yes to your point, this example of the
Speaker 1: crash out and self documenting your mental health crisis for
Speaker 1: views essentially is like a trickle, a trickle down of.
Speaker 2: That because remember at the start of the pandemic. Obviously
Speaker 2: this is very very subjective depending on where you lived,
Speaker 2: the type of work that you did, but there was
Speaker 2: a moment where like everybody was making sour dough yea,
Speaker 2: and everyone's everyone's content on either platform was like about
Speaker 2: making their sourdough.
Speaker 1: Bread and delgo in a coffee.
Speaker 2: Yes, I did that. And then it became I mean,
Speaker 2: it's so much deeper, rite, so much more. The platforms
Speaker 2: evolved for like us being in isolation and so yeah,
Speaker 2: it's all it's all connected.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, it's all connected. I also this maybe
Speaker 1: is tangentially related. But there's also a good number of
Speaker 1: accounts of people who like suffer from deep, deep, deep
Speaker 1: depression and it's like, oh, come with me to clean
Speaker 1: my depression room, yes, you know, and it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this room has not been cleaned in like six months.
Speaker 1: It's like looks like a hoarding room at this point,
Speaker 1: and folks feeling, you know, maybe it is a motivation
Speaker 1: to get the room clean and to move on it.
Speaker 1: And if that helps you know, to like improve day
Speaker 1: to day life. Then I think there's value in that.
Speaker 1: But it is interesting how many I think, basically have
Speaker 1: channels where this person clearly goes through a depression cycle
Speaker 1: and now we're cleaning the room, and now they're in
Speaker 1: their cycle again, and now we're cleaning the room. It's
Speaker 1: a very I don't know, there's something. Uh, I don't
Speaker 1: even have the words to do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I see what you're saying. There's like a level
Speaker 2: of maybe accountability. Oh, if I put it online, I
Speaker 2: have to do it. I have to do People do
Speaker 2: that for anything projects like oh, I'm going to I
Speaker 2: said I was going to go run tomorrow. I'm going
Speaker 2: to go run tomorrow. Ye. Right, But then there's like
Speaker 2: this deeper like, oh, I need to be held accountable
Speaker 2: for this six month pile up, so I'm going to
Speaker 2: put it online. Yeah, and then I have to do.
Speaker 1: It with you, right. And I feel like there's a
Speaker 1: possibility that those people probably don't let people closest to
Speaker 1: them see that space when it's like that, but there's
Speaker 1: a distance between them and their TikTok following that feels
Speaker 1: more comfortable sharing.
Speaker 2: I feel like this season we've been talking about our
Speaker 2: mothers a little bit more. It's because we're getting older.
Speaker 1: We're obsessed with our mothers.
Speaker 2: But I just think, like sometimes I'm like, imagine if
Speaker 2: our moms knew we were posting our depression build up,
Speaker 2: not in like I mean, our moms would shame us.
Speaker 2: I'm not shaming you, but our moms would. And that's
Speaker 2: what would stop me from doing that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like just clean your room. Yes, it's not
Speaker 1: that simple all the time.
Speaker 2: It's really not. If you have executive dysfunction, right, Like,
Speaker 2: there's reasons depression is really hard. Our moms don't care.
Speaker 2: They want you to clean your room.
Speaker 1: They want the room clean. But you know what I
Speaker 1: think about that too, And like, if you have someone
Speaker 1: who is in such a funk because of mental health
Speaker 1: that it is creating an obstruction in their daily life.
Speaker 1: And you're not a mental health professional, your mom, and
Speaker 1: you're just trying to keep things running. What else do
Speaker 1: you do? Yeah, you know, And so I think sometimes
Speaker 1: it's that that tough love that I don't think always works,
Speaker 1: but I think it's one of the things that they
Speaker 1: have in their arsenal.
Speaker 2: Yes, you know, yeah, I would love a more gentle love,
Speaker 2: but I see why they do it. I don't agree
Speaker 2: with it all the time, but I get it again.
Speaker 2: I think it's like when you're a mom, like the
Speaker 2: mental load of running a house. You're like, you can't
Speaker 2: even clean your room.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's how they see it, right, and probably what they've
Speaker 2: been through that whole day just to get to that
Speaker 2: one point, right. I think about that now as I'm
Speaker 2: older too, is like I used to think like, Wow,
Speaker 2: how does my mom remember to do everything? And now
Speaker 2: I'm like the fuck? What is like? What is wrong
Speaker 2: with us? Like as not as children, but it's like
Speaker 2: the expectation that the mom is just gonna do everything
Speaker 2: without anyone asking like hey, wait, how how are you
Speaker 2: handling that?
Speaker 1: Like do you need?
Speaker 2: Do I need to? What do I do? What does
Speaker 2: he do?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: Exactly.
Speaker 1: Of course we used to talk about invisible labor all
Speaker 1: the time.
Speaker 2: There's so much invisible labor.
Speaker 1: So much, Oh, there's so much, there's so so much. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like in a family, a mom. In a family,
Speaker 1: every person is their own planet, and the mom is
Speaker 1: trying to manage the whole solar system.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's a good analogy, you know, but.
Speaker 1: It's like but I have my whole world. Yes, I
Speaker 1: have my own world. Okay, but yeah, there's like ten
Speaker 1: worlds you're gonna collide, yes, you know. And so that's
Speaker 1: like the levels.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like the mom just keeps them spinning, basically.
Speaker 1: Keeps every on their orbit.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yes, by by hook or by crook, shout out to mom.
Speaker 2: Moms are amazing. We love moms, We love mom's. Happy
Speaker 2: Mother's Day, Happy belated Mother's Day to all our listeners
Speaker 2: who are moms, y'all are amazing.
Speaker 1: Amazing, amazing, So thank your mom and clean your room.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and maybe I mean would love to hear folks
Speaker 2: what they think about quote crash out, mental health breakdowns,
Speaker 2: the voyeurism of it all, and questioning when you see
Speaker 2: like a viral quote crash out and maybe actually seeing
Speaker 2: it for what it is. It's a mental health crisis.
Speaker 2: Maybe this person needs more support.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, ask for help when you need it, seek
Speaker 1: out resources offline, offline.
Speaker 2: Yes, getting community. I feel like that's how I want
Speaker 2: to end every episode. Step outside. You have to be
Speaker 2: in community. That's the only way we're going to make
Speaker 2: it through anything.
Speaker 1: Join a club, take a class, get a hobby, something
Speaker 1: something you know go visit with your cousins.
Speaker 2: I don't know, listen to this episode with your friends.
Speaker 2: I have a listening party. Please.
Speaker 1: That's a great idea.
Speaker 2: Bring it back.
Speaker 1: That's a great idea. I would love for somebody to
Speaker 1: host like a knitting circle and where they're like knitting
Speaker 1: and drinking champagne and listening to this podcast.
Speaker 2: I think you need to host. That is what it
Speaker 2: sounds like.
Speaker 1: But yes, that sounds like a fun event.
Speaker 2: So that does sound like a fun event.
Speaker 1: Let's do it. Let's do it all right.
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