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Speaker 2: O lao la look more is I'm Viosa.

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Speaker 1: And I'm Mala And I have noticed recently that the

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Speaker 2: What have you been seeing?

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Speaker 1: I've just been seeing so much content from creators on

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Speaker 1: TikTok who post themselves in states of like clear crisis.

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Speaker 1: But the number of people that tune in like post

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Speaker 2: Right, there's a certain voyeurism to it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and like garnering millions of views, comments are always

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Speaker 1: like a mixed bag. Are they supportive, are they hating?

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Speaker 1: and I've just been seeing so much of it, especially

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Speaker 2: M the young people. Well, more on that in a

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Speaker 2: little bit, but let's talk about how we climax and cried?

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Speaker 1: I sweet, But first, how did we climax and how

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Speaker 2: Well, I just want to note that that Heen is

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Speaker 2: kind of walking around. If I hold him, you'll hear

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Speaker 2: just that's just the vibe today.

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Speaker 1: We have a little furry guess.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's the star.

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Speaker 1: We have a little furry friend. He's been in look

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Speaker 2: Yes, he has been. He has been. So I decided

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Speaker 2: He's never been.

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Speaker 2: My theory is that Pomeranians have Napoleon syndrome and so

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Speaker 2: Okay, so he's like a little threat and buy them.

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Speaker 1: They're like other little creatures invading his territory.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so that's why he's joining us today. But

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Speaker 2: in terms of climax and cry, well, let me start

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Speaker 2: with my climax, Like, well, yes, let me start with

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Speaker 2: my climax. I was one of eight hundred runners that

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Speaker 2: on Saturday morning that they raise fifty thousand dollars collectively

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Speaker 2: and that money is going to various wildfire relief organizations,

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Speaker 1: Oh, very fun. That sounds like a great time running

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but we have loans. We have plenty of loans,

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Speaker 2: It's all in the name of education. Something I think

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Speaker 2: But AnyWho, how did you climax? How did you.

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Speaker 1: Cry onto me? Mike? Climax is my climax. I feel

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Speaker 2: Yeah, are you going to tease any of the outfits

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Speaker 1: I kind of did tease an outfit already because when

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Speaker 2: Was a fabulous look, thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: I wore pieces of my like Saturday edc look with

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Speaker 2: question is how do you keep up with self maintenance

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Speaker 2: like nails, hair, skin, makeup? All of my life, I've

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Speaker 1: I love that I am changing. You have always been

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I am a high maintenance person. I don't

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Speaker 2: We've talked about Femi's politics for a long time. So

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I am a really appreciate your consistency. It's because

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Speaker 2: There's so many reasons, like she could have lost her

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And I've been seeing a lot of beautiful brands,

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Speaker 2: No, no, if anything, if you're going to splurt on anything,

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Speaker 2: And I think that that's one good splurge if you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like good skin, glowing skin is going to like

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Speaker 2: Agreed, I agree with that. Don't go anywhere, lokomotives.

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Speaker 1: We'll be right back, and we're back with more of

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Speaker 2: Well, let's get into today's topic.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, So today we're talking about the millennial

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Speaker 1: breakdown and the gen Z crash out. We're seeing similarities,

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Speaker 1: we're seeing there's like a trajectory, there's like a timeline

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and let's define crash out. What is

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Speaker 1: So from what I've seen on TikTok, it can mean

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Speaker 2: Okay, it can be used as a noun, all right.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes the girlies post oh, like in reference to themselves,

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Speaker 1: when you're a retired crash out and blah blah blah

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Speaker 2: Okay, this meaning I used to lose it, all right.

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Speaker 1: this is an experience someone is having. Someone is crashing out.

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Speaker 2: Okay, they're like.

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Speaker 1: Unwinding, they're unraveling, they're having some type of a meltdown.

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Speaker 1: And at this point people are posting their own crash

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Speaker 2: it is in simple terms, it is a mental breakdown.

437
00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:47,720
Speaker 2: It's a mental health crisis.

438
00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that's what's what's interesting is the

439
00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:56,000
Speaker 1: the content and oh, this is a crashout. It's entertaining.

440
00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,960
Speaker 1: Sometimes people find it funny. A lot of these video

441
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,959
Speaker 1: will garner lots of views. I remember when Gaby Hannah,

442
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:08,639
Speaker 1: who is like a musician slash like influencer, Gabby Hannah,

443
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,399
Speaker 1: had a very public what would be described as a

444
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 1: crash out, and like many many videos, many posts, many episodes,

445
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:19,440
Speaker 1: and after a while, you see in the comment and

446
00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:23,080
Speaker 1: the comments folks starting to sort of the tone shifts

447
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,520
Speaker 1: and it goes from like, oh, like, you know, we're

448
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:31,040
Speaker 1: hating on Gaby Hannah. We think she's like I don't know,

449
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:35,960
Speaker 1: we think she's ridiculous too. We think that she's not okay,

450
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:38,960
Speaker 1: and she's like clearly in the middle of a mental

451
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:39,560
Speaker 1: health crisis.

452
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:40,200
Speaker 2: Okay, got it.

453
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,359
Speaker 1: And then at some point, for those who were following,

454
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 1: because I was following, I was watching, at some point

455
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,359
Speaker 1: somebody who was watching all this happen and all her

456
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:53,320
Speaker 1: posts online showed up at her house and got into

457
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 1: her home and then there's a video of her realizing like,

458
00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is a random person, get out

459
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,440
Speaker 1: of my house. Okay, So it was like it was

460
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,159
Speaker 1: a really wild time. She's not the only one. I

461
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 1: think that there's like just more private people who end

462
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 1: up opening TikTok accounts and posting like their unraveling. But

463
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 1: then we have like these other celeb and like creator types,

464
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 1: like a Nikita Dragon for example.

465
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 2: Right, And I haven't really followed these like celeb quote

466
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 2: crash outs on TikTok or Instagram. They just don't really

467
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,680
Speaker 2: reach my algorithm. But sometimes I learn about them after

468
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,639
Speaker 2: the fact. And I was reading about or I was

469
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:40,680
Speaker 2: watching a video about Justin Bieber allegedly having a crash

470
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:46,200
Speaker 2: out after Selena Gomez's engagement announcement in her album all

471
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,399
Speaker 2: of that, and that was when I kind of started

472
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 2: seeing like, oh, he's having like a mental health crisis.

473
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 2: But I couldn't actually track down like the original videos,

474
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,639
Speaker 2: and I like wasn't really going to deep dive into it.

475
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 2: But that was when I started kind of picking up like, Okay,

476
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:04,119
Speaker 2: wait a second, we're talking about it in different ways now.

477
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, when we were younger, it was not a

478
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 1: crash out. The term was.

479
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 2: Breakdown, breakdown. This celeb had a breakdown and it was

480
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 2: captured by paparazzi usually.

481
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,879
Speaker 1: Usually Yeah, I think Justin Bieber was also like a

482
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 1: paparazzi situation more recently. But I do feel like I

483
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 1: don't know if he was posting himself per se.

484
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, but but yes, I.

485
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,959
Speaker 1: Feel like if you're an A lister, the paparazzi are

486
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 1: still out there. Oh yeah, and now people who are

487
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 1: not a list celebrities are almost their own paparazzi.

488
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 2: Yes. It it's a part of the surveillance state, right

489
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:48,159
Speaker 2: where we're just so happy to like film ourselves us included, right,

490
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 2: we include ourselves in that we're so happy to put

491
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,119
Speaker 2: our lives on display in these ways, and for some

492
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,679
Speaker 2: people that even include like these mental health breakdowns, these

493
00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:58,639
Speaker 2: quote crashouts.

494
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's it's fascinating and like we were talking

495
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,679
Speaker 1: about this when we were prepping for this episode about

496
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 1: like Britney Spears just being straight up stocked, followed, harassed,

497
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 1: like she couldn't go anywhere without paparazzi following her, taking

498
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 1: photos of her, taking videos of her in her lowest

499
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 1: moments right right, And I think that that still happens,

500
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 1: But I don't think there's ever been a time where

501
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:33,680
Speaker 1: like otherwise anonymous people, yeah, would have their mental health

502
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 1: crisis projected for millions of people to see.

503
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 2: That's a really good point because even someone like Britney Spears, right,

504
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 2: there was the free Britney movement to remove her from

505
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 2: her conservatorship, and then she was removed from her conservatorship

506
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 2: started posting online and people could not handle I think

507
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,679
Speaker 2: for her mental state no where. It's like we wanted

508
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 2: I think in their minds, not we Mala and I,

509
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,640
Speaker 2: but it's like in their minds they wanted a quote

510
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 2: free Brittany, but they wanted still wanted her to be

511
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 2: like the polished pop Brittany, pop Brittany when actually, like

512
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 2: this woman has so much healing to do. And so

513
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 2: we're then because she has a celebrity status, we're like

514
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:17,159
Speaker 2: uncomfortable by the quote crash out or this like mental

515
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 2: health breakdown online. Yeah, And I think that we also

516
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 2: see that with like these influencers or just online folks

517
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 2: that have like big followings or not, like sometimes things

518
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 2: just go viral.

519
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 1: Yeah. Also, what's been interesting for me to observe. Okay,

520
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 1: so there's somebody that I know who also has had

521
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 1: their own social media platform of sorts, who is recently

522
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 1: posting a lot of very concerning videos of themselves in

523
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:51,159
Speaker 1: a clear like state of like crisis. But because of

524
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: this person's sort of branding and the type of following

525
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 1: that they've cultivated over the years, it's very interesting to

526
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 1: see in the comments some follow like no matter what

527
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: this person says or does, or the accusations they make

528
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 1: about other people, or like the comments they make about

529
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:14,439
Speaker 1: themselves that are just clearly like histrionic and like delusional,

530
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: because of the type of following that they've cultivated, there

531
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: are there are are commenters followers who are still extremely

532
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 1: supportive and like validating through the things being said.

533
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 2: You know, they're maybe not seeing it for what it is, yes, right,

534
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 2: with that kind of objective lens of like wait, maybe

535
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 2: this person is not doing okay, Like this.

536
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 1: Person needs to go to the hospital, right, this person

537
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 1: is unwell. That was fascinating for me to observe that

538
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: you can almost have people who are are such big

539
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: fans of what you're doing that they're not seeing when

540
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 1: actually you're deeply unwell, and it's like the blind support yea,

541
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 1: you know, which I think feeds into this sort of

542
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,360
Speaker 1: like cycle of then you're in a state of crisis,

543
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 1: you're posting, getting a lot of feedback and attention and views,

544
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: We're going to post more. It like feeds. Yes, the

545
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 1: mainia the delusion.

546
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 2: Because social media does have that dopamine effect, right like

547
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 2: you do. Your brain does get something out of being online,

548
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 2: the out of posting, out of the validation. I even

549
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 2: catch myself sometimes like I'm feeling really insecure today, I'm

550
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 2: feeling like I want affirmations, and instead of texting my

551
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 2: friend group, I'm like, let me post to strangers. Yeah,

552
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 2: And then I have to be like, wait a second,

553
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 2: hold on, girl, Yeah, maybe that's not the move. Post

554
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 2: because you want to post, but posting because you maybe

555
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 2: want an external validation because you're feeling sad today, you know,

556
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 2: is maybe not the best thing for you right now.

557
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 2: And so I think there's all these different levels to it.

558
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 2: Right There's like maybe something more extreme of like a

559
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 2: quote crash out having a mental health crisis online, and

560
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 2: then there's the maybe a quote lesser where you're seeking

561
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 2: external validation because of that dopamine effect, which is still

562
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 2: tied to like our mental health and our brain and

563
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 2: how we function.

564
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, and in both instances, whether it's seeking support or

565
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: attention for a crisis or seeking validation, it's going to

566
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: the same place where you are not going to find

567
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: what you actually need. Oh yeah, right, it's just it's

568
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: something else. It's a third thing. It's not help and

569
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 1: it's not true like love and support. It's engagement. Yes,

570
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: it's engagement, and so people are like engaging with the

571
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: need or the call or the post what have you,

572
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: but the issue is not being addressed.

573
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 2: And on the flip side, like, for folks watching this

574
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 2: type of content, why do you think we as we

575
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 2: like the royal we as a society because we're all

576
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 2: in this, we're all on social media. Maybe we don't

577
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 2: consume it ourselves, but why do we What is the

578
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 2: attraction to this type of content? We talked about voyeurism

579
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 2: at the top of the episode, right, is it like

580
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 2: does it make us feel better about ourselves? Like, oh,

581
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 2: we're not look at how sad they look?

582
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 1: Can't lie? Sometimes it does make it feel better about myself. Yes, actually,

583
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: like okay, things might be tough, but they're not here,

584
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: So they're not here. That's horrible. But I think I'm

585
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: just being honest, can't help it. That's that's sometimes an

586
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,479
Speaker 1: immediate like who I hope they get everything they need,

587
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 1: and I hope that if I was in this type

588
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: of a state that my loved ones would like say

589
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: something and intervene and step in. But I also think

590
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 1: it's the same phenomenon watching a crash out on TikTok

591
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: and like tuning in is not that different from watching

592
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 1: a crash on the freeway, and how traffic.

593
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 2: Always slows, always stops the looky loose.

594
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: No matter what. Yeah, no matter like the size of

595
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: the crash, the traffic always slows down because people want

596
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: to get a look at the crash. It's the same thing.

597
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 2: I think that is like a right of Like it's

598
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 2: like a train crash. I can't look away. Yes, I

599
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 2: want to look away, but I can't.

600
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: I can't. Why do we watch horror films and people

601
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: get mutilated? I mean, it's this very strange thing that

602
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: that clicks in the human mind when we see chaos

603
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: and carnage.

604
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very dark, very dark. I mean I think

605
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 2: that that raises a question like, does it give us

606
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 2: control or does it give us the illusion of control,

607
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 2: either by making this type of content or just filming ourselves,

608
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 2: and then it becomes content because maybe it's not with

609
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 2: the intention of it being content, but like you said, oh,

610
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 2: I'm posting it and people are engaging, so I'm going

611
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 2: to keep posting it, and so then it does become content.

612
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 2: So does it give us an illusion of control or

613
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 2: does it actually give us control?

614
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: Right?

615
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 2: I think is the question.

616
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: Yes, And control of what? Maybe control of the way

617
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: that you're.

618
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 2: Viewed, control of self. Maybe it feels like the only

619
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 2: thing you can control. I can post this online, I

620
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 2: can take it down if I want to, not really

621
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 2: write on social media anymore. You can like screen record anything.

622
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 2: But there is I think maybe this sense of control, Yeah, a.

623
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: Sense of control and maybe hoping maybe someone out there

624
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: will see this and will have the answer. Yeah, maybe's

625
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: one of these millions of people. Yeah, will give me

626
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: the help that I need, I will say.

627
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm obviously, I think a little older than

628
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 2: the gen zs and the folks that we've seen do this.

629
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 2: But when I had my own mental health breakdown not

630
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 2: that long ago, the first thing I did was call

631
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 2: a hotline because I didn't even call my friends because

632
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 2: I was like, this is too heavy. I know my

633
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 2: friends are there for me and they will pick up

634
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 2: the phone if I need it, but I need to

635
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 2: talk to a professional. And actually didn't go that far

636
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 2: because as I was texting the hotline, I was like,

637
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 2: I think just doing it kind of like calmed my

638
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 2: nervous system. And I was like, Okay, I'm fine. I

639
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 2: need to work through this and I need to make

640
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 2: a game plan for the situation that I'm in right now,

641
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 2: but I have a handle on myself. And then I

642
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 2: texted my friends after I was like, in a commerce

643
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 2: sense state of mind, but that's me. I'm also they're

644
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 2: very therapized. My immediate thought was not like let me

645
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 2: film myself crying, right, you know, but there is it's

646
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 2: so normalized that I do see why people do it.

647
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very normalized. And I think that's a reminder.

648
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: Call a hotline. Yeah, get into therapy, go to the hospital, like,

649
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: go see a doctor, Go speak to a mental health professional,

650
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: look up an organization like NAMI. You know, there are

651
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: resources out there. TikTok itself is not a resource. It

652
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: might lead you to resources, but in and of itself,

653
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: it's not therapy. It's not a therapist. It's not a psychiatrist.

654
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 2: Chat GPT is not a therapist.

655
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: No, it's not. That's something else people are doing, is

656
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: like talking to their chat GPT as if it's their therapist.

657
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 2: That is not a replacement for therapy. All of these

658
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 2: things are tools, and I like AI is a tool,

659
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 2: whether you agree with it or not, it's obviously out

660
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 2: there as a tool for us, but it's not a

661
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 2: search engine. It's people are using it as a search engine,

662
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 2: but it's not a replacement for real like care, like therapy. No, right,

663
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 2: same with TikTok. TikTok is a tool. Social media is

664
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 2: a tool for us to find information, to even find misinformation, right.

665
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 2: And then there's therapists that become like therapy influencers. Right,

666
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 2: But that is just like one thing. It's not the

667
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 2: only thing.

668
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And I think it's important also to remember, like

669
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: I think about people like Whitney Houston and Amy Winehouse

670
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: and yes Britney Spears, and like these women were so

671
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: talented global superstars had these adoring fan bases, but on

672
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 1: some level the fan base is also turned on them, Yeah,

673
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 1: and mistreated them.

674
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 2: Sorry say that again.

675
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, but at some point and on some level, their

676
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: fan bases turned on them and mistreated them. And we're

677
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 1: very unkind to them in their most vulnerable moments. Right.

678
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 1: And so with an audience like a TikTok audience or

679
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 1: an Instagram audience what have you, the audience is not

680
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: They're not really your friends and they're not really going

681
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: to take care of you, right, And it's important to

682
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 1: remember that too. I think when we're going to our audiences,

683
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: like asking for these types of help and support, like

684
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: you know, you got to go to like your family,

685
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 1: your friends, your actual in person community who knows you

686
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 1: and they're invested in you and they love you. And

687
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,320
Speaker 1: again to like your medical team. No one's going to

688
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 1: be more invested in your well being than those people.

689
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think you can use your social media account,

690
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,959
Speaker 2: your following as a like I've said already, like a tool,

691
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 2: a resource in the sense that you're like, hey, where

692
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 2: can I find this? You know I shared you know

693
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 2: many years ago I used to talk about how I

694
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 2: found Open Path Collective to find my therapist, and that

695
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 2: was something that people would then ask me, like will

696
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 2: you posted about this one time. I still get like

697
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 2: dms about it, like recently and it's been years.

698
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: Now, I saw a therapists through them because you mentioned them.

699
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I feel like that like using social media

700
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 2: in that way, right, especially if you're not a therapist,

701
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 2: like not giving advice, right, if you're not licensed to

702
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 2: like give therapy. Clearly obviously that's its own conversation. But

703
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 2: I think like if you're sharing resources, like that's a

704
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 2: good way to use social media totally, but using it

705
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 2: like it's a therapy, like it's therapy itself.

706
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, And following this is another thing of there's influencers

707
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: who will post like therapy tips yeah and insights because

708
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: they themselves are in therapy. Yes, but that also is

709
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: not a replacement for actual therapy. Yeah.

710
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 2: I've found I've seen a couple of videos like this

711
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 2: and they're more so in like just and they're funny,

712
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 2: but there there's truth to it. It's like ways my

713
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,800
Speaker 2: therapist drive me today? Yes, you know you want to

714
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 2: know what my therapist said to me today? Can you

715
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 2: believe this? Like that kind of content, And I've like

716
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 2: there have been times where my therapist that has said

717
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 2: something like really powerful and like that really made me

718
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 2: shift perspective on something or change my mind. And I've

719
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 2: thought about sharing it, like this was helpful for me.

720
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 2: Take it if you need it, but there's just always

721
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,919
Speaker 2: something in me that like stops, not because I don't

722
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 2: think it's helpful, but just like who am I? Like

723
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:26,760
Speaker 2: I'm in my own process. Everyone's experience is so unique,

724
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 2: shaped by everything they've lived through that it might not

725
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 2: actually apply to you totally. You know, it might be

726
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 2: helpful in some ways, but there's just always that part

727
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 2: of me that's like, hmm, no, that's just not my thing.

728
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 2: I think there was a while where I was very

729
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 2: much like everyone needs to be in therapy. Let's normalize

730
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,399
Speaker 2: talking about therapy and going to therapy. And I still

731
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 2: feel that way, but it's not so much a part

732
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 2: of like my social media presence, if you will. But

733
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 2: I think for like a hot minute, it.

734
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: Was, Yeah, I think the content changes as like we

735
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 1: move through life. You know, uh, yeah, I love that

736
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: show Couples Therapy. It's so good. But then it's like

737
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: watching them does not mean that I'm in my own

738
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: therapy session. It doesn't mean that I've gone through a session,

739
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 1: you know, I'm just I'm watching somebody else do their work,

740
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: you know, but that doesn't replace doing your own work.

741
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 1: And yeah, I don't know. I wonder what you guys

742
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: out there think about this, if you've noticed this, the

743
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: gen Z crash out, the TikTok crash out, if it

744
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: reminds you at all of like breakdowns that we would

745
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: see of celebrities in the two thousands. For example, we

746
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: talked about Britney Spears, And I don't know, what do

747
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 1: you guys think about it? Like, is it just a

748
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: way for people to express themselves, is it building community?

749
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: Is it looking for support? Like is that even possible

750
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: on TikTok? I'm curious about what the listeners think.

751
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think at its core, there is maybe a

752
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 2: part of it's like I want help and I want

753
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 2: to be seeing people want to be seen. Especially I

754
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 2: think this generation that really did not experience like the

755
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 2: coming of age milestones because of the pandemic, right, And

756
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 2: I feel like that like the long term effects on

757
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 2: mental health and younger generations like is still to be

758
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 2: seen totally. And so I just wonder if there's that's

759
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 2: part of the piece of it.

760
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: Also, Yeah, I think what we also see online is

761
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: a lot of conversations about our attention spans, and we've

762
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: talked about this. Trends move so quickly, so I feel

763
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: like that our timing with everything is so fast, and

764
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: we move on from things and the pandemic ended, so

765
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: that's over and we're moving on now.

766
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like there's also some type of like

767
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 2: our brain is maybe, well, we're all traumatized, right, I

768
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 2: think there's a collective trauma. Millions of people died. It's

769
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 2: how can we not be traumatized as a society, And

770
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,439
Speaker 2: so I do think there's like something in our brain

771
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 2: that's like defense that is behind us when it's really not.

772
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 2: It hasn't been that long, and the effects I think,

773
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 2: like I said, I think are still to be seen.

774
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 2: Like there's a reason we're in a loneliness epidemic. There's

775
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 2: a reason there's like a rise in like the Man

776
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 2: of Sphere, like all everything that happened in isolation. I

777
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 2: just think we're seeing the effects of it now. We're

778
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 2: seeing a trickle out into like then the public.

779
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the reverberations will last for a long time.

780
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 1: I think, yes to your point, this example of the

781
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 1: crash out and self documenting your mental health crisis for

782
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: views essentially is like a trickle, a trickle down of.

783
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 2: That because remember at the start of the pandemic. Obviously

784
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 2: this is very very subjective depending on where you lived,

785
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 2: the type of work that you did, but there was

786
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 2: a moment where like everybody was making sour dough yea,

787
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 2: and everyone's everyone's content on either platform was like about

788
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 2: making their sourdough.

789
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: Bread and delgo in a coffee.

790
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 2: Yes, I did that. And then it became I mean,

791
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 2: it's so much deeper, rite, so much more. The platforms

792
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 2: evolved for like us being in isolation and so yeah,

793
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 2: it's all it's all connected.

794
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 1: In my opinion, it's all connected. I also this maybe

795
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: is tangentially related. But there's also a good number of

796
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: accounts of people who like suffer from deep, deep, deep

797
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 1: depression and it's like, oh, come with me to clean

798
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 1: my depression room, yes, you know, and it's like, Okay,

799
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 1: this room has not been cleaned in like six months.

800
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: It's like looks like a hoarding room at this point,

801
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 1: and folks feeling, you know, maybe it is a motivation

802
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,320
Speaker 1: to get the room clean and to move on it.

803
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 1: And if that helps you know, to like improve day

804
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: to day life. Then I think there's value in that.

805
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: But it is interesting how many I think, basically have

806
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:52,280
Speaker 1: channels where this person clearly goes through a depression cycle

807
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 1: and now we're cleaning the room, and now they're in

808
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: their cycle again, and now we're cleaning the room. It's

809
00:41:56,320 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: a very I don't know, there's something. Uh, I don't

810
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: even have the words to do.

811
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I see what you're saying. There's like a level

812
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 2: of maybe accountability. Oh, if I put it online, I

813
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 2: have to do it. I have to do People do

814
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 2: that for anything projects like oh, I'm going to I

815
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 2: said I was going to go run tomorrow. I'm going

816
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 2: to go run tomorrow. Ye. Right, But then there's like

817
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 2: this deeper like, oh, I need to be held accountable

818
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 2: for this six month pile up, so I'm going to

819
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 2: put it online. Yeah, and then I have to do.

820
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 1: It with you, right. And I feel like there's a

821
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 1: possibility that those people probably don't let people closest to

822
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: them see that space when it's like that, but there's

823
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: a distance between them and their TikTok following that feels

824
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: more comfortable sharing.

825
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 2: I feel like this season we've been talking about our

826
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 2: mothers a little bit more. It's because we're getting older.

827
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 1: We're obsessed with our mothers.

828
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 2: But I just think, like sometimes I'm like, imagine if

829
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 2: our moms knew we were posting our depression build up,

830
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 2: not in like I mean, our moms would shame us.

831
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 2: I'm not shaming you, but our moms would. And that's

832
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 2: what would stop me from doing that.

833
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like just clean your room. Yes, it's not

834
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:01,439
Speaker 1: that simple all the time.

835
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 2: It's really not. If you have executive dysfunction, right, Like,

836
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 2: there's reasons depression is really hard. Our moms don't care.

837
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 2: They want you to clean your room.

838
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: They want the room clean. But you know what I

839
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 1: think about that too, And like, if you have someone

840
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 1: who is in such a funk because of mental health

841
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: that it is creating an obstruction in their daily life.

842
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: And you're not a mental health professional, your mom, and

843
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: you're just trying to keep things running. What else do

844
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 1: you do? Yeah, you know, And so I think sometimes

845
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: it's that that tough love that I don't think always works,

846
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 1: but I think it's one of the things that they

847
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 1: have in their arsenal.

848
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 2: Yes, you know, yeah, I would love a more gentle love,

849
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 2: but I see why they do it. I don't agree

850
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 2: with it all the time, but I get it again.

851
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 2: I think it's like when you're a mom, like the

852
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 2: mental load of running a house. You're like, you can't

853
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 2: even clean your room.

854
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 1: You know.

855
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 2: It's how they see it, right, and probably what they've

856
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 2: been through that whole day just to get to that

857
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 2: one point, right. I think about that now as I'm

858
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 2: older too, is like I used to think like, Wow,

859
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 2: how does my mom remember to do everything? And now

860
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 2: I'm like the fuck? What is like? What is wrong

861
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 2: with us? Like as not as children, but it's like

862
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 2: the expectation that the mom is just gonna do everything

863
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 2: without anyone asking like hey, wait, how how are you

864
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Speaker 2: handling that?

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Speaker 1: Like do you need?

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Speaker 2: Do I need to? What do I do? What does

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Speaker 2: he do?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Exactly.

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Speaker 1: Of course we used to talk about invisible labor all

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Speaker 1: the time.

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Speaker 2: There's so much invisible labor.

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Speaker 1: So much, Oh, there's so much, there's so so much. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's like in a family, a mom. In a family,

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Speaker 1: every person is their own planet, and the mom is

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Speaker 1: trying to manage the whole solar system.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's a good analogy, you know, but.

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Speaker 1: It's like but I have my whole world. Yes, I

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Speaker 1: have my own world. Okay, but yeah, there's like ten

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Speaker 1: worlds you're gonna collide, yes, you know. And so that's

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Speaker 1: like the levels.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like the mom just keeps them spinning, basically.

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Speaker 1: Keeps every on their orbit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yes, by by hook or by crook, shout out to mom.

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Speaker 2: Moms are amazing. We love moms, We love mom's. Happy

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Speaker 2: Mother's Day, Happy belated Mother's Day to all our listeners

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Speaker 2: who are moms, y'all are amazing.

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Speaker 1: Amazing, amazing, So thank your mom and clean your room.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and maybe I mean would love to hear folks

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Speaker 2: what they think about quote crash out, mental health breakdowns,

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Speaker 2: the voyeurism of it all, and questioning when you see

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Speaker 2: like a viral quote crash out and maybe actually seeing

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Speaker 2: it for what it is. It's a mental health crisis.

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Speaker 2: Maybe this person needs more support.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, ask for help when you need it, seek

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Speaker 1: out resources offline, offline.

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Speaker 2: Yes, getting community. I feel like that's how I want

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Speaker 2: to end every episode. Step outside. You have to be

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Speaker 2: in community. That's the only way we're going to make

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Speaker 2: it through anything.

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00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:01,280
Speaker 1: Join a club, take a class, get a hobby, something

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Speaker 1: something you know go visit with your cousins.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, listen to this episode with your friends.

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Speaker 2: I have a listening party. Please.

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Speaker 1: That's a great idea.

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Speaker 2: Bring it back.

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Speaker 1: That's a great idea. I would love for somebody to

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Speaker 1: host like a knitting circle and where they're like knitting

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Speaker 1: and drinking champagne and listening to this podcast.

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Speaker 2: I think you need to host. That is what it

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Speaker 2: sounds like.

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Speaker 1: But yes, that sounds like a fun event.

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Speaker 2: So that does sound like a fun event.

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Speaker 1: Let's do it. Let's do it all right.

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