WEBVTT - QLS Classic: Lena Waithe 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:03.800 Of Course Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:07.040 classic episode was produced by the team at Pandora. 0:00:08.280 --> 0:00:09.039 Ladies and Gentlemen. 0:00:09.080 --> 0:00:12.600 Welcome to QLs Classic Episode eighty with Lena Waithe from 0:00:12.720 --> 0:00:17.320 April twenty eighteen, freshaffirs Emmy victory for writing on the season. 0:00:17.360 --> 0:00:20.159 Sorry is Awesome, Master of None. We chop it up 0:00:20.200 --> 0:00:22.880 with Lena Waith about life in Hollywood star now as 0:00:23.000 --> 0:00:27.760 intern to an assistant to an actress, to creator to showrunner. 0:00:28.040 --> 0:00:30.680 Her journey's still going strong, So get ready for a 0:00:30.960 --> 0:00:35.480 nice ride and enjoy. 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Yeah. 0:02:20.440 --> 0:02:23.079 I hope I don't mess it up so I don't die. 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:35.240 Supreme Suprema Son Supremo Roll Call Suprema Son Supremo, Roll 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:39.520 Call Suprema Supremo Roll. 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:45.280 Yes, gentlemen, welcome to another episode. 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:48.520 Of Course of Supreme. I'm your host, Quest Love. This 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:57.560 is Pandora. Hello, Team Supreme. Hey chatting with Sugar Yo. 0:02:58.080 --> 0:02:59.120 Man's got a logo. 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:04.359 Man, let's move on. We'll talk about this other time. 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:10.440 You made her mark and now you are officially Sugar 0:03:10.480 --> 0:03:12.720 Steve chat He's the flash of the crew. 0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:15.320 Now he's it's coming in two weeks. 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:17.920 I haven't just don't know what they're talking to have 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:18.919 my own talk show. 0:03:18.720 --> 0:03:24.480 Now, Yes, he has a spin off already all Chat 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:25.000 with Sugar. 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:28.040 Yes, I still think you should change the title man 0:03:28.120 --> 0:03:32.240 like Sugar. Not yet. 0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:37.960 It's already in the history books when sometimes No, you 0:03:38.000 --> 0:03:39.880 didn't want us call you Sugar Steve when we first 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:42.360 started the show, and not to force that title on you. 0:03:42.440 --> 0:03:46.560 So I mean he's branded now. I like chat. I'm 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:48.920 gonna pop in on you one time. I'm I'm gonna 0:03:48.960 --> 0:03:50.440 Joinmnna said your wife watches. 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:53.600 My wife is avid watcher of Chat with Sugar. 0:03:55.720 --> 0:03:59.520 Number one you already started to change is already. 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:01.840 Should have Really he's on the seventeenth really happening. 0:04:02.000 --> 0:04:03.680 I see you all the time, but you taught me 0:04:03.720 --> 0:04:05.560 everything I know. I know as a host. 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:07.600 Oh that's always the death nail. 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:12.400 Whatever someone says you talking, He's like, He's like, that's 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:13.120 why I was failing. 0:04:14.160 --> 0:04:17.159 I was like, Van Door is about to offer me? Yes? 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:18.560 Oh God. 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:22.159 Anyway, ladies and gentlemen, today, our special guest is an 0:04:22.200 --> 0:04:28.440 accomplished actress, producers, screenwriter, showrunner, director uh She made history 0:04:28.440 --> 0:04:31.239 in twenty seventeen as the first Wait, are you tired 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:33.120 of people bringing up this fact to wait about you? 0:04:33.640 --> 0:04:36.360 Like it's a unicorn? Like it is? 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:38.839 I mean, yeah, here's the truth, I'd be. 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:40.919 The first show that doesn't just be up that factory. 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:41.600 Well bring it up. 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:43.760 No one will let you not bring it up. That's 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:45.679 the thing is I have just own that it's always 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:48.240 going to be a part of my life and my career. 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:50.400 But I think it's you know, it's a cool thing. 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:52.120 It's a really cool thing, you know. 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:54.359 But it's also sort of sad that in two thousand 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:56.520 and seven, that's the first. 0:04:56.720 --> 0:04:58.880 People have to be reminded of that sad fact. 0:04:59.200 --> 0:05:01.640 Yeah. But so it was a dope because I shared 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:04.720 with Donald, Like, Donald is the first black person ever 0:05:05.279 --> 0:05:08.480 win for directing episode of comed television. So I feel 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:10.240 like it was nice to make history with him. 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:12.320 I did a Halle Denzel before the Emmys. 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:13.839 Yeah, yeah, exactly. 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:15.560 I love when we do the interview before I even 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:17.160 get the introduction. Now. 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:20.599 She made a history in twenty seventeen as the first 0:05:20.680 --> 0:05:24.400 African American female to win an Emmy for Outstanding Writing 0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:28.680 on the Comedy Series for the very excellent Thanksgiving episode 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:31.679 of one of my favorite shows, Master's Master of None. 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:36.120 And you're also the showrunner of the critically acclaimed Shy 0:05:36.400 --> 0:05:38.560 Yeah Yes, creator. 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:40.040 Is also a big thing for a black woman because 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:41.119 it's only like three of y'all. 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:46.560 It's true, It's true. It's like me, Shanda Mara, Courtney 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:49.239 Camp who created power. A lot of people forget about Courtney, 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:50.000 but Courtney's like. 0:05:51.880 --> 0:05:54.640 Absolutely season waiting. She's shined there and waiting because she's 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:55.880 about to do get Christy Love. 0:05:56.200 --> 0:06:01.560 We have an introduced our guest, welcome away to Yeah, yes, 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:03.960 happy to be here. 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:07.800 I'm glad you're here. Yeah. So that's well. 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:11.720 My question was, are you tired of having to bear 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:16.240 the burden of being the first of you know, in 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:17.320 twenty seventeen. 0:06:17.520 --> 0:06:20.120 Yeah, I mean, I don't know if I'm tired of it. 0:06:20.200 --> 0:06:22.840 I think I'm very proud to be a vessel. That's 0:06:22.880 --> 0:06:24.680 what I really feel like. It is like, because I 0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:27.360 know I'm not the first black woman whoever has written 0:06:27.440 --> 0:06:30.440 a funny episode of television. I just think it takes 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:33.120 the while the industry a while to kind of catch up. 0:06:33.560 --> 0:06:35.760 So I think the stars are sort of aligned and 0:06:36.279 --> 0:06:39.520 for me to have that amazing accomplishment. But the truth is, 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:41.320 I was just I went to the Oscar parties and 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:42.880 stuff like that, got a chance to top it up 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:45.520 with Halle Berry, the one and only she still looks great. 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:48.799 And the sad part was when we watched the packages 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:53.640 for Best Actress, Best Lead Actress, she's still the only one. 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:57.080 No one has followed her since winning for Monsters Ball 0:06:57.200 --> 0:06:59.400 and so, and I brought that up, you know, to her, 0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:02.719 and I thought, man, like, that's still there's troublesome, and 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:05.960 she said yeah. And I think for me, my biggest 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:07.880 mission with it is to make sure I'm not the 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:11.960 last is to I'm here mentoring like crazy. I'm trying to, 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:15.440 you know, walk people into rooms because I don't mind 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:17.520 being the first as long as there's others that can 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:19.960 walk through. Because then what happens if people just celebrate 0:07:20.000 --> 0:07:22.080 that moment and go, oh, aren't we grand? Like we 0:07:22.200 --> 0:07:25.280 had this moment? And I think Donald feels the same way. 0:07:25.480 --> 0:07:27.440 I think, you know, I think we want to make 0:07:27.480 --> 0:07:30.440 sure that we're this This short list that we're on, 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:32.320 which we are on, is a very short list of people 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:34.200 that they just go to us for everything. We want 0:07:34.240 --> 0:07:35.880 to make it longer. We want to introduce them to 0:07:35.880 --> 0:07:38.120 these new writers that are out here doing dope stuff. 0:07:38.520 --> 0:07:42.240 How can what's the uh, what's the process of even 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:45.840 finding quality? Because I know, like there's there's an argument 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:51.880 of of being included or getting a seat at the 0:07:51.880 --> 0:07:57.360 table right versus bringing something quality to the table, And 0:07:57.840 --> 0:08:00.720 that's often the debate we have. I mean, there's you know, 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:05.520 black film out there now that might or black actors 0:08:05.640 --> 0:08:07.920 or writers or whatever who are. 0:08:08.000 --> 0:08:09.360 Might be whatever, but it's black. 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:11.440 We gotta support it, right, We're gonna get to know 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:13.880 and some that bring in the money aren't necessarily the 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:16.480 quality that you particularly enjoy that sort of thing. 0:08:16.840 --> 0:08:20.760 So how can you How is one able to vent 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:21.320 through that? 0:08:21.480 --> 0:08:24.320 Because I always feel, always felt as though the process 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:28.480 of getting to greatness, not saying that I've ever heard 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:31.280 stories of Martin Scorsese being an internal a set somewhere 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:34.240 eventually working his way up to what do you start 0:08:34.320 --> 0:08:38.720 with Woodstock as an editor? But it's like, what's the 0:08:38.800 --> 0:08:43.520 process of getting in behind the scenes? Because I feel 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:46.839 what's more notable about you is that, even though you're 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:50.960 an actress, I know on a show, I like, your behind. 0:08:50.559 --> 0:08:52.400 The scenes work is. 0:08:53.880 --> 0:08:58.240 Very substantial and that I feel is more important for 0:08:58.320 --> 0:09:00.439 you to pull people in right. 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:02.320 Well, Look, I mean you bring up a really interesting 0:09:02.360 --> 0:09:05.160 point because it's a very controversial topic. You know that 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:06.800 I'm trying to deal with and I gotta we just 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:08.640 got green let to do a pilot called Twenties over 0:09:08.679 --> 0:09:11.120 at TBS, which is a half hour which is loosely 0:09:11.160 --> 0:09:12.920 based on my twenties being a queer black girl living 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:16.400 Los Angeles, thank you so much, who is an aspiring 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:18.920 television writer as well. And she's a little bit this 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:20.640 character is not exactly me, but she's a little bit 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:23.960 basier than me. And there's a fictitious, you know, black 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:26.960 show that she's trying to get a job on, and 0:09:27.080 --> 0:09:29.120 she talks with her girls about it, and she's like, man, 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:30.719 I don't want to go work on that show. And 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:34.960 this is based on the G word no no, no, 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:35.600 no, no no. 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:37.360 Because I know you worked at Girlfriends. 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:39.800 Yeah, but no, it's not that. It's not that no no, okay, 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:42.839 but it's honestly, it's like, it's not based on I'm 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:45.480 creating like characters to kind of talk about issues I 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:47.480 want to discuss, even though, but I'm also just using 0:09:47.520 --> 0:09:49.079 my dating life as a bit of fodder for like 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:51.839 this character. But the thing is, it's like there are 0:09:51.840 --> 0:09:55.480 shows that black folks don't love, but you can't say 0:09:55.520 --> 0:09:56.440 it in public. 0:09:56.200 --> 0:09:58.120 Right, And so every show. 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:02.840 No, not black shows. No, who don't like Atlanta? 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:08.040 Well in Atlanta is no? 0:10:08.880 --> 0:10:12.320 Those are those are I'm talking like like Tyler period. 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:14.920 And public you say into other people? 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:16.640 Yeah, cool. Well I don't know if that I don't 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:19.720 know necessarily true. I think there are people that genuinely 0:10:19.720 --> 0:10:21.960 can I curse on? Yeah, the people that genuinely fuck 0:10:22.000 --> 0:10:25.000 with those shows, you know, oftentimes they live in the South, 0:10:25.120 --> 0:10:27.319 you know what I'm saying, or maybe not maybeposed to 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:31.520 live in New York City regious, but I'm just saying, 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:34.080 but there are people that really I'm talking about shows 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:37.640 that you feel like or even movies sometimes where you're like, okay, 0:10:37.720 --> 0:10:40.000 and you see the campaigns like they go on Instagram, 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:42.600 all the celebrities are saying, yeah, yeah, there's a guilt 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:44.240 trip you almost feel like you own if you don't 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:46.679 go see I don't post your ticket, you know, and 0:10:46.720 --> 0:10:49.599 I just kind of feel like that then becomes it 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:56.760 kind of goes oh, I mean, look, hey, I'm just 0:10:56.800 --> 0:10:59.320 saying like there's a there's a guilt that you feel, 0:11:00.360 --> 0:11:03.319 and the question that becomes is like when do we 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:04.760 get to that point? But I think that's why Again, 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:07.440 it's proof that the playing field is still not leveled 0:11:07.559 --> 0:11:10.680 because we don't have enough movies where we can skip it. 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:12.240 How many white folks you know, it's like, oh yeah, 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:14.800 gotta go see Death Wishes? We can you know what 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:16.720 I'm saying, Like, I don't know, it's just like, but 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:19.960 I do think there's this pressure on black folks to 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:22.080 go support black stuff, whether you love it or not. 0:11:22.200 --> 0:11:23.760 And I just don't think we've gotten to that place 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:26.840 where you can't go online be like even if even 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:28.640 with my show, I don't know what's real because I 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:30.560 don't know if this somebody's gonna come on, yeah, the 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:32.680 shot is just okay, because then folks will be like, 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:35.280 why you hating? You know, da da da? That becomes it. 0:11:35.360 --> 0:11:37.480 My thing is, I'm like, I welcome it. If you don't, 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:38.480 fuck would it tell me why? 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:41.000 It's like in private amongst us. 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:43.440 I've heard some some interesting Chicago comments about the shot, 0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:45.960 but they would never say it in front of others. 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:49.040 But my thing is, you have to like, what's the deal. 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:51.600 I feel like until we can start criticizing each other 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:54.120 in public, we win't gonna never overcome, like we just 0:11:54.200 --> 0:11:56.560 kind of have to. But I think there's this thing 0:11:56.600 --> 0:11:58.319 of like we don't want to talk about it, and 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:00.280 trust me, I'm guilty of it. Like there's things that 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:01.839 maybe I don't love, but I'm gonna talk about that 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:04.720 shit on Twitter, i gonna go in on on Instagram. 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:05.880 I'm gonna be supportive. 0:12:05.920 --> 0:12:08.400 And I think that's just about about our community too, 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:10.640 Like we just don't kind of air our dirty laundry. 0:12:10.720 --> 0:12:13.319 Like if we if I have a criticism about your show, 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:16.199 I can say that to you, me and you talking, 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:17.600 but I ain't gonna say that in a room full 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:18.280 of white folks. 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:19.319 You know what I mean. 0:12:20.240 --> 0:12:22.000 I get it, but but I also think it's and 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:24.240 I think that Donald and I have had this conversation, 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:27.320 is that he ain't always want to be better. We 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:29.000 always want to make our stuff great. 0:12:29.280 --> 0:12:29.480 You know. 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:32.120 We don't ever want somebody to say, oh yeah, I 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:34.760 like that show because I'm supposed to. It's like, now, 0:12:34.760 --> 0:12:37.040 mind you. We can't you please everybody. You know what 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:39.280 I'm saying. We're making TV shows. This is our point 0:12:39.320 --> 0:12:41.280 of view, this is our this is this is our 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:44.280 cities from from through our lens. So everybody may have 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:46.440 a different version of Chicago than I do, or people 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:49.480 may have a different version of Atlanta than Donald does. 0:12:50.640 --> 0:12:53.000 But I think if there's a real thing of like, 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:55.560 don't that is not a real thing in the city, 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:57.280 or we don't go through that, or that's some fake 0:12:57.280 --> 0:12:59.960 shit you don made like please by all means like tweet, abode, 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:01.679 talk about it, pipe up about it. But I do 0:13:01.679 --> 0:13:04.320 think there's a lot of these black artists live in 0:13:04.360 --> 0:13:06.840 this bubble of like you only want good things. And 0:13:07.360 --> 0:13:08.800 you know, there's some artists that I feel like, I 0:13:08.880 --> 0:13:10.280 like to call it being under the tent for too 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:12.959 long where they start you see their material and it's 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:15.040 almost like watching Muhammada a Lei fight past his prime. 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:21.480 M Well, okay, is there a such thing as fire? 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:23.120 But you'll know who I'm shooting mat, So it's all good. 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:25.920 No, no, okay, So let's take. 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:31.440 Like, does it make me snobby if I look down 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:35.680 on h meet the Browns and Tyler, because I meant 0:13:36.400 --> 0:13:38.920 the prose of it is that he's he has his 0:13:39.000 --> 0:13:43.439 own studio, he's putting people to work, right, YadA, YadA, YadA. 0:13:43.720 --> 0:13:45.960 But charming dude. I met him for the first time over 0:13:46.000 --> 0:13:46.520 Oscar Weegain. 0:13:46.640 --> 0:13:49.320 Yeah, fucking I'm Tyler, but I'm just saying that. 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:55.400 The way that Spike went about criticizing him, right, I mean, 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:58.920 is it again it almost makes you question your taste 0:13:58.960 --> 0:14:00.680 and I have it's about hip up all the time, 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:05.360 Like you know, I wasn't very forthcoming and saying that, 0:14:06.800 --> 0:14:09.600 I mean maybe I was a little indifferent to something. 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:12.640 Let me think of b or now I'm thinking of 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:18.560 something like okay, back when first came out or UGK, 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:23.840 I was slow to open up to UGK and MJG. 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:26.960 And then once Reek started really fun on the tour 0:14:27.000 --> 0:14:29.280 bus and I was like, oh, okay, Chicago that yeah. 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:30.440 We used to really go hard on that. 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:34.880 It took me a while because I came from jazz 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:38.000 samples with like my East Coast that sort of thing. 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:39.160 But is it Like. 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:44.960 I'm trying to figure out if either I have my 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:48.400 mentality and willing myself to like something that I normally 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:51.080 I would think is low brow humor. 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:53.000 I think you just have to for me, I look 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:53.240 at it. 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:55.520 You have to look at the audience that is intended 0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:58.360 for and like there's something, does it hit its target? 0:14:58.480 --> 0:14:59.120 You know what I'm saying. 0:14:59.160 --> 0:15:03.080 And so for me, like my mom watches Meet the 0:15:03.120 --> 0:15:04.800 Browns and like, what's the other one you got the 0:15:05.120 --> 0:15:07.920 haves and have not you is wrong. 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:11.600 But all of this you can't call her snl s 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:13.200 git us running through these titles. 0:15:14.760 --> 0:15:17.720 She watches. So it's like it's not for me. You 0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:19.920 have to learn this is not my kind of thing. 0:15:20.400 --> 0:15:24.280 But the audience that he's going for, that audience. 0:15:24.960 --> 0:15:28.840 But is it subjective? Is it? Is it really low 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:30.280 brown humor that you're. 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:34.240 Above or are we just here cast it all and 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:35.600 we think we're better than that? 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:38.720 Look here and I own my snobbingess, Like I'm totally 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:40.440 aware of it. Like I work in the business. I 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:44.120 have a very critical eye. I try to sometimes come 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:45.960 back from that, but I just can't. And also my 0:15:46.000 --> 0:15:48.360 fiance is well she's she's an exact but now she 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:51.720 runs Michael B. Jordan's production company, so we are aware 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:53.520 that we go to the Arc Light, we have our 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:56.720 science seats like where those black people are. But yeah, 0:15:56.800 --> 0:15:58.960 like it's just like whatever is what it is. But 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:02.160 I think, to me, me, what's scary about those shows 0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:04.720 is that they're constantly being pumped to the same black audience. 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:06.280 Is what happens is I always look at it like 0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:09.120 food and what you digest. So they're being given McDonald's, 0:16:09.360 --> 0:16:11.920 which is fast, it tastes good, and it goes through 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:16.040 you really quick. So then it's like when you try 0:16:16.040 --> 0:16:19.360 to give you something like filet mignon, like four gua, Caviard's, 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:22.960 cargo Allah, Moonlight, get out, things like that, sometimes it 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:25.960 becomes difficult for them to eat that food because they're 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:29.920 so used to McDonald's. So that's my only thing. Like 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:33.720 I'm cool people, you know, taking in that kind of entertainment. 0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:35.760 But the tough thing, especially for black folks, it's like 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:39.920 it's like what I want is for our people to 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:42.920 have a more sophisticated palette, so to speak, which is 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:46.040 like they go see Boom, you know, but then also 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:49.680 go see Moonlight, you know, go see you know, a 0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:51.640 movie like Shape of Water. I just kind of want 0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:53.920 our folks to have that kind of exposure. It's not onlike, 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:55.640 you know, when we deal with kids on the South 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:57.840 Side who've never been downtown, you know what I'm saying, 0:16:57.920 --> 0:17:01.280 Like they're only watching those and so what happens is 0:17:01.320 --> 0:17:03.720 and also too even though yes it's funny and light 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:05.479 and it's all good, and Tyler is like I got 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:07.439 to he's such a good dude, I think it can 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:10.719 get a little nutty when that's the only images are 0:17:10.760 --> 0:17:13.520 so powerful. Because I grew up, I was very blessed. 0:17:13.520 --> 0:17:15.199 Like I was a kid, I got to watch a 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:18.000 different world like Every Thursday and The Cosby Show and 0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:21.280 like Fresh Prints and things like that, and so I 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:23.879 was seeing images of people that I wanted to be. 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:26.679 They were smart, they were flying, they were cool. They 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:30.639 were literally on a fictitious like the HBCU, you know, 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:33.760 a campus every week. And it may seem like, ah, 0:17:33.880 --> 0:17:36.199 isn't that cheesy, but look at what it did. My 0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:38.080 production company is called Helm and Grad Productions. 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:40.840 Like yo, I was gonna say at the end of 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:43.440 the shy, Yeah, first of all, y'all have a lot 0:17:43.480 --> 0:17:45.200 of tags at the hope. 0:17:45.160 --> 0:17:46.320 You'll get rid of some of the mofuckers. 0:17:46.520 --> 0:17:48.159 That was the funny. That was the funniest thing to 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:50.760 be because after the third one, I was like waiting for. 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:54.320 People. 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:57.680 At least I got a card in that mofucker. 0:17:58.640 --> 0:18:00.920 But when I saw Hillman he going back, I was like, 0:18:00.960 --> 0:18:02.680 wait a minute, that's what I said. 0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:03.480 That has to be heard. 0:18:03.920 --> 0:18:06.160 And look, it's like some people know, some people don't. 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:09.280 It's like whatever, if you know you know it, get it. 0:18:09.320 --> 0:18:10.920 I really fuck with you usually like. 0:18:10.880 --> 0:18:13.560 It's your show, though, why would you put yourself fifth? 0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:14.840 Like your card? 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:18.600 No, that's Halloween, that's Hollywood politics. It's my first show. 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:21.240 So you get executive producers that go, I want you 0:18:21.280 --> 0:18:24.080 know where the cards are placed? It was my first show. 0:18:24.320 --> 0:18:28.240 Did you even know that they gave it to me 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:29.639 after the fact. 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:31.960 I want some stuff happened in my career. They're like, oh, yeah, 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:32.640 we'll get you a card. 0:18:33.200 --> 0:18:34.280 Let me ask you. You mentioned Hillman. 0:18:34.400 --> 0:18:35.480 That's a whole other conversation. 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:36.880 You mentioned him in a different world. 0:18:36.920 --> 0:18:38.560 I was wondering what you think about the evolution of 0:18:38.600 --> 0:18:41.560 a grown is because I just really started watching that 0:18:41.600 --> 0:18:45.040 and you know that that is a real child of 0:18:45.280 --> 0:18:46.080 different a different world. 0:18:46.280 --> 0:18:46.480 Yeah. 0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:48.399 I would never put the two in the same weight class. 0:18:48.440 --> 0:18:49.480 I mean honestly, to me. 0:18:49.520 --> 0:18:52.960 That's promise is intense, especially because it's on free form. 0:18:53.080 --> 0:18:55.760 I've seen it. I'm addicted to it. 0:18:56.200 --> 0:18:58.000 I kind of like to people kind of be throwing 0:18:58.000 --> 0:18:59.960 sha at it. I was like, the go into it. Yeah, 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:02.440 some some people, I know, maybe it's those black people 0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:04.159 that's like I don't want to say something publicly, but 0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:05.560 some people be coming at me about it. I'm like, 0:19:05.600 --> 0:19:07.080 I don't know. I kind of get a good vibe 0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:11.000 from it. I mean, it's just it's interesting. I'm intrigued. 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:13.000 First of all, it's a free form show, which is 0:19:13.040 --> 0:19:18.440 basically like Channel very people get the ABC Family recontextualizes 0:19:18.440 --> 0:19:18.920 free form. 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:20.960 But it's like, I don't. 0:19:20.760 --> 0:19:23.000 Seen everything else. 0:19:23.320 --> 0:19:26.720 She pops, she pops, uh pills every episode, and. 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:32.679 It's like they're trying to get real with it, you know. 0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:34.800 But I mean, but again, it's like to me, it's like, 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:36.800 I just don't. I would never put them on the side. 0:19:36.800 --> 0:19:39.040 Even if Kenya was sitting here right now, he'd like, 0:19:39.080 --> 0:19:40.119 please don't put that on me. 0:19:40.160 --> 0:19:42.680 I wasn't, But would it be there if it wasn't 0:19:42.680 --> 0:19:44.280 for a different world, That's what I was kind of saying. 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:46.360 But you, I mean, I don't know. I just here's 0:19:46.359 --> 0:19:50.920 what I'm in a different world, purist, and I think that, 0:19:51.920 --> 0:19:54.359 and I think that grown ish is not because that's 0:19:54.359 --> 0:19:57.440 not the age we see you, is it. I feel 0:19:57.480 --> 0:19:59.920 like I think even with your white people people try 0:19:59.920 --> 0:20:01.920 to like say, oh, you guys influence, I'm like, no, 0:20:01.960 --> 0:20:05.360 I'm like, because dear white people is literally a metaphor 0:20:05.400 --> 0:20:07.800 for America because it's like the black people on that 0:20:07.840 --> 0:20:10.560 campus are minority, and it's all about how weird you feel, 0:20:10.560 --> 0:20:12.320 and like what kind of black person you are, what 0:20:12.359 --> 0:20:13.879 kind of black people you hang out with? So I 0:20:13.880 --> 0:20:15.440 just think it's very different. I think a different world 0:20:15.440 --> 0:20:18.159 existed in its own space and time. I'm also one 0:20:18.200 --> 0:20:20.320 of the people that's anti the reboot of it or all 0:20:20.320 --> 0:20:22.320 this kind of shit. I just think it's silly. It's 0:20:22.320 --> 0:20:25.240 like a different world existed at that time, and we 0:20:25.280 --> 0:20:26.879 don't need to reboot it. We don't need to have 0:20:26.920 --> 0:20:29.040 another version. And I've gotten to get cool with a 0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:31.280 lot of the actors from that show. I'm just like, 0:20:31.480 --> 0:20:33.960 nah Son, it happened and thank God and a live 0:20:34.040 --> 0:20:35.520 bit alone. I have thought about Bad Boys. It's never 0:20:35.560 --> 0:20:37.399 been a sequel, like Bad Boys is a classic and 0:20:37.440 --> 0:20:39.680 what's supposed to work. It did by accident. Thank god 0:20:40.440 --> 0:20:45.480 Bad Boys too, and Bad Boys I think they I 0:20:45.480 --> 0:20:55.080 think they pulled it though, thank you about it. 0:20:51.640 --> 0:20:54.040 Is getting to remake everybody's getting but I don't know. 0:20:54.080 --> 0:20:55.399 I mean, I don't know. 0:20:56.080 --> 0:20:59.480 Well, yeah, grow Grown as to me is like a 0:20:59.520 --> 0:21:05.680 more new, watched, friendlier version of Kids WHOA I mean, 0:21:06.160 --> 0:21:09.000 Kids was shocking in ninety five. Yeah, but now that's 0:21:09.080 --> 0:21:10.720 just like, oh, that's that's a Tuesday. 0:21:10.800 --> 0:21:15.560 Yeah. 0:21:15.600 --> 0:21:19.480 So Lena, Yeah, what was your beginning in the world 0:21:19.560 --> 0:21:21.760 of acting, Like, how did you how. 0:21:21.680 --> 0:21:25.720 Did you first start? Honestly like production, Well, well, I'll. 0:21:25.560 --> 0:21:28.400 Talk about the acting. I had no plans on being 0:21:28.440 --> 0:21:30.960 an actor, Like it's I literally give a lot of 0:21:31.000 --> 0:21:33.359 credit one to God because he ordered my steps, but 0:21:33.400 --> 0:21:35.879 also to these amazing casting directors that looked at me 0:21:35.920 --> 0:21:37.920 and said, bitch, you should be in front of the 0:21:37.960 --> 0:21:40.560 camera as well. And one of them was Alison Jones, 0:21:40.600 --> 0:21:42.639 who was a famed casting director of Google. 0:21:42.680 --> 0:21:42.760 Her. 0:21:42.800 --> 0:21:44.840 I mean, her credits are ridiculous, everything from like she 0:21:44.960 --> 0:21:47.359 cast Freaks and Geeks, which little shit us you know, 0:21:47.520 --> 0:21:49.600 you know, seth Rogen and James Frank, all these people, 0:21:49.720 --> 0:21:52.439 and then she also cast like Veep and Bridesmaids, all 0:21:52.440 --> 0:21:54.359 these amazing things. So I heard she wanted to meet 0:21:54.400 --> 0:21:56.600 with me. I didn't know why because I was like, 0:21:56.600 --> 0:21:58.640 I'm not casting anything. But I went and sat down 0:21:58.640 --> 0:22:00.560 with her and she asked if I had any interest 0:22:00.600 --> 0:22:03.000 in being an actress. I said no. She's like, okay, 0:22:03.440 --> 0:22:04.760 well let me bring you in for some stuff. And 0:22:04.800 --> 0:22:06.280 so she did. She brought me in for some things. 0:22:06.480 --> 0:22:08.479 I booked a small part on the Comeback season two, 0:22:08.480 --> 0:22:11.520 which Lisa Kujo's show on HBO, and then she didn't 0:22:11.520 --> 0:22:13.280 even call me in for Master or none like apparently 0:22:13.280 --> 0:22:15.760 as he's and Allen just said, send us interesting people, 0:22:16.280 --> 0:22:18.199 and by the grace of guy, she said, well, then 0:22:18.200 --> 0:22:20.920 you should meet Lena. I went to Jesus Crib, sat 0:22:20.960 --> 0:22:24.359 with him and Allen uh and had it was just 0:22:24.400 --> 0:22:27.440 myself and I got a call then like, hey, does 0:22:27.440 --> 0:22:28.919 he just wants you to come read with him? I 0:22:28.920 --> 0:22:31.240 saw the pages and I was my writer he self, 0:22:31.280 --> 0:22:33.560 and I said, Yo, can I punch this up? And 0:22:33.640 --> 0:22:37.400 he was like sure, and so I did. And so 0:22:37.920 --> 0:22:39.959 I was saying stuff back to him that he obviously 0:22:39.960 --> 0:22:42.200 wasn't prepared for, and he was sort of chuckling and laughing. 0:22:42.320 --> 0:22:44.960 But as he's and I just had an instant like 0:22:45.119 --> 0:22:47.280 vibe and a chemistry because people seriously asked us if 0:22:47.280 --> 0:22:50.080 we've been friends for before the show, and we had 0:22:50.280 --> 0:22:53.160 we met, like you know, at his house and talking 0:22:53.280 --> 0:22:55.800 and doing these scenes. And then he called me and 0:22:55.800 --> 0:22:56.879 he's like, come in New York for a couple of 0:22:56.880 --> 0:22:58.560 months and do this show with me. And I just 0:22:58.600 --> 0:23:00.280 really went off of like the fact that I was 0:23:00.280 --> 0:23:02.720 a fan of his already, his humor, the fact that 0:23:02.720 --> 0:23:05.680 he knows black culture in a very unique way, and 0:23:05.720 --> 0:23:07.080 I just loved him on Parks and Wreck and I 0:23:07.119 --> 0:23:09.080 literally I had just sold the Shy to Showtime, and 0:23:09.080 --> 0:23:10.800 I was like, can y'all give me three months to 0:23:10.840 --> 0:23:13.679 go away do this thing? They were like, okay, sure, 0:23:14.680 --> 0:23:16.239 and so I came here. You don't know what you 0:23:16.280 --> 0:23:18.439 have with Netflix. It was early Netflix that we were 0:23:18.440 --> 0:23:21.000 like one of like Netflix, like fourth or fifth original show, 0:23:21.240 --> 0:23:22.639 So we didn't know what it was gonna be. We 0:23:22.640 --> 0:23:25.040 don't have an audience, but we just trusted that what 0:23:25.040 --> 0:23:26.919 we were doing with something interesting. It was new, it 0:23:26.960 --> 0:23:29.520 was fresh, and people just really responded to it. And 0:23:29.560 --> 0:23:33.399 then for the Spielberg joint, Ellen Lewis, another famed casting director, 0:23:33.400 --> 0:23:36.000 saw my picture in Hollywood Reporter and was like, why 0:23:36.040 --> 0:23:37.919 haven't we seen this girl for this role? And my 0:23:37.960 --> 0:23:40.760 agent were like, cause, she's not auditioning for stuff. So 0:23:40.920 --> 0:23:44.360 I came in read with them, read again. Thank god, 0:23:44.400 --> 0:23:46.720 Spielberg was not out of those auditions, but after the 0:23:46.760 --> 0:23:48.960 second one he saw my tape and I was like, yeah, 0:23:48.960 --> 0:23:50.280 I want her to be in the movie, and then 0:23:50.320 --> 0:23:51.480 I went to London for four months. 0:23:51.480 --> 0:23:53.639 So wait, you just said something real big. Before we 0:23:53.680 --> 0:23:55.960 saw your face. You had a deal with Showtime. 0:23:56.520 --> 0:23:58.440 They had bought the pilot. Yeah, i' written the pilot 0:23:58.440 --> 0:23:59.560 and they were like, yeah, we want to make this. 0:24:00.400 --> 0:24:01.680 How did it I mean, because. 0:24:01.600 --> 0:24:05.120 What was the time between making your pilot? Too? 0:24:05.200 --> 0:24:05.360 Well? 0:24:05.400 --> 0:24:07.320 I wrote them, Well, here's the deal. We shot the 0:24:07.320 --> 0:24:10.800 first pilot and we weren't We weren't super happy with 0:24:10.800 --> 0:24:13.040 how it turned out. We thought it was fine, but 0:24:13.119 --> 0:24:15.800 we were like they were like I told them, I said, 0:24:15.840 --> 0:24:17.720 I need a director that really gets my voice. I 0:24:17.760 --> 0:24:19.919 know my voice is unique. I know The Shy is 0:24:19.960 --> 0:24:22.920 not the typical formulaic show, so I need somebody that's 0:24:22.920 --> 0:24:25.240 not the typical formulage director. And Rick Fomer Youua, became 0:24:25.280 --> 0:24:27.240 available and I was like, can he do get a 0:24:27.280 --> 0:24:29.119 swing at it? They were like sure, Like we we 0:24:29.160 --> 0:24:30.760 think that would be a great match. We got a 0:24:30.800 --> 0:24:33.240 new cast and director. We got Jason Mitchell came in 0:24:33.280 --> 0:24:36.160 and read and Jacob Latimore. All these amazing song your song, 0:24:36.440 --> 0:24:37.520 all these amazing people. 0:24:37.320 --> 0:24:40.080 And the original pilot is different than what I seen 0:24:40.200 --> 0:24:40.959 on the pilot. 0:24:41.000 --> 0:24:41.400 For us show. 0:24:41.480 --> 0:24:43.600 I mean it's the script is the same, but the 0:24:43.680 --> 0:24:45.439 cast is different and the director is different. 0:24:47.119 --> 0:24:51.399 So please, I just want to an back. Can you 0:24:51.480 --> 0:24:53.080 send me a copy of the original one. 0:24:53.520 --> 0:24:55.560 If I have an original copy of it anymore? I 0:24:55.560 --> 0:24:57.720 got because like that was two years ago. But it 0:24:57.840 --> 0:24:59.760 was like and mind you, I liked it. I liked it, 0:24:59.800 --> 0:25:02.280 thought it was fine. But I think Showtime and that's 0:25:02.280 --> 0:25:04.000 a testament to them, they really believed in it, and 0:25:04.000 --> 0:25:05.480 they were like, we think we can do better, and 0:25:05.520 --> 0:25:07.320 I was like, okay, I. 0:25:07.240 --> 0:25:11.040 Was like cool, Now, was there any concern of yours 0:25:11.480 --> 0:25:17.480 that Showtime was trying their hardest to not mention the 0:25:17.600 --> 0:25:20.840 W word as they gave you the shy like you know, 0:25:21.160 --> 0:25:23.760 we need a version of the Wire like that sort 0:25:23.760 --> 0:25:24.000 of thing. 0:25:24.119 --> 0:25:26.600 It's funny like they didn't know, they didn't well, they 0:25:26.600 --> 0:25:29.800 didn't bring that up at all. And the crazy thing is, 0:25:29.880 --> 0:25:31.200 and I don't want to be a bad black person, 0:25:31.200 --> 0:25:33.119 but I never like obsessed over the wire like that. 0:25:33.160 --> 0:25:35.000 I was more about the white people love the wire 0:25:35.160 --> 0:25:38.200 more than yeah I love the Wire. I like the Wire, 0:25:38.280 --> 0:25:41.920 but I was more into the corner. Yeah, white people 0:25:41.960 --> 0:25:43.800 love the Wire. They love insecure, Like they're like all 0:25:43.800 --> 0:25:45.240 about it, you know what I'm saying. It's like, but 0:25:45.359 --> 0:25:48.600 I feel like I I just never that was never 0:25:48.720 --> 0:25:51.360 my thing. Like the Corner was really dope. This is 0:25:51.400 --> 0:25:53.280 a thing that Spike did a long time ago people 0:25:53.280 --> 0:25:55.320 may not remember, called Soccer Free City, and that was 0:25:55.440 --> 0:25:57.719 that was really cool that really I just really liked 0:25:57.760 --> 0:26:00.680 and thought it was really interesting. So those are things. 0:26:00.720 --> 0:26:03.199 And also to like House of Cards you know, had 0:26:03.200 --> 0:26:04.879 come out, so I was really inspired by that. So 0:26:04.880 --> 0:26:07.320 those are really inspirations for me while I was working 0:26:07.320 --> 0:26:09.560 on The Shy in terms of characters being interconnected and 0:26:09.560 --> 0:26:13.520 bumping into each other and and yeah, but it's so funny. 0:26:13.680 --> 0:26:16.520 Is I understand the comparison, I guess, But when you 0:26:16.560 --> 0:26:19.359 watch The Shy, it's the completely. 0:26:19.320 --> 0:26:21.800 I know there's there's no comparison, but just with large 0:26:21.840 --> 0:26:24.679 black on on a cable shl sure. 0:26:24.840 --> 0:26:27.840 You know, And and I mean. 0:26:29.440 --> 0:26:31.800 Had a connection with each other. It's sort of like 0:26:31.840 --> 0:26:35.080 an effortless watching the Magic Circle for their home glue chot. 0:26:35.119 --> 0:26:39.000 It's like very effortless, no look past chemistry that they 0:26:39.000 --> 0:26:39.760 had with each other. 0:26:40.000 --> 0:26:41.760 Right, So The. 0:26:41.720 --> 0:26:43.320 Shy, like my bigges thing was I didn't want to 0:26:43.320 --> 0:26:45.240 focus on the system or the police or the cops, 0:26:45.280 --> 0:26:47.000 and I think we're gonna get away from that even 0:26:47.040 --> 0:26:48.520 more in season two that I think first season I 0:26:48.520 --> 0:26:50.119 was like, Okay, well, what's the engine. But I was 0:26:50.119 --> 0:26:51.760 like I would say, like I really don't care about 0:26:51.760 --> 0:26:54.120 the cops. I care about the people, Like I don't 0:26:54.119 --> 0:26:55.399 want to care talk about the police. I want talk 0:26:55.400 --> 0:26:57.679 about the people of being policed. Like that's just more 0:26:57.720 --> 0:26:58.359 interesting to me. 0:26:58.720 --> 0:27:00.560 So not to step on your toe, boss man. 0:27:00.600 --> 0:27:03.359 But I'm like, okay, so nobody saw your face yet 0:27:03.400 --> 0:27:05.080 you have to deal with show time. I know that 0:27:05.200 --> 0:27:09.040 your your background as writers assistant in in your relationship 0:27:09.040 --> 0:27:10.000 with Gina p. 0:27:10.240 --> 0:27:13.120 Princeville, but can you really break down, like. 0:27:13.080 --> 0:27:16.040 Who the hell are you leaning to get these amazing 0:27:16.080 --> 0:27:19.960 deals to this writing? Like where did you come from? 0:27:20.640 --> 0:27:24.680 Sorry so sorry, but I just you know, like honestly, 0:27:24.720 --> 0:27:27.200 like I, you know, graduated from Columbia College, which is 0:27:27.240 --> 0:27:30.320 in Chicago, moved out to LA in two thousand and six, 0:27:30.359 --> 0:27:32.440 and just started like pounding the payment just grinded. I 0:27:32.480 --> 0:27:34.320 think it's just a Chicago hustle in me where I 0:27:34.359 --> 0:27:36.359 was just like I went out there with the intent 0:27:36.400 --> 0:27:39.280 of running the town, and I was like eventually and 0:27:39.320 --> 0:27:41.600 you know, And I think that was genuinely my mindset. 0:27:41.680 --> 0:27:41.840 You know. 0:27:41.880 --> 0:27:44.560 I wasn't like ongoing to anybody this year, dad, But 0:27:44.680 --> 0:27:46.720 I was just like, I want to be a phenomenal writer. 0:27:46.760 --> 0:27:48.920 I really cared about the craft. And I think that's 0:27:48.960 --> 0:27:50.359 a big thing I see was as I mentor a 0:27:50.400 --> 0:27:52.120 lot of young writers, I think that's of the last 0:27:52.119 --> 0:27:54.320 thing on their list to conquer. They're sort of like, well, 0:27:54.320 --> 0:27:56.360 where's the red carpet? Like when do I get the deal? 0:27:56.400 --> 0:27:56.960 And d D. 0:27:57.160 --> 0:27:59.040 They don't realize there's so much politics. Youre talking about 0:27:59.040 --> 0:28:00.840 me being a third card on my own show, but 0:28:00.960 --> 0:28:02.399 these folks be thinking you get a show and like 0:28:02.400 --> 0:28:04.639 you king or queen. It's like no, it's like I 0:28:04.680 --> 0:28:09.120 was like the least powerful person at the table. Now 0:28:09.119 --> 0:28:13.760 I'm in a different space, you know. But the first 0:28:13.800 --> 0:28:16.480 season any truth, And that's that's no shade to my network, 0:28:16.480 --> 0:28:18.680 on my steel that's any case, if you go sold 0:28:18.680 --> 0:28:21.360 the show tomorrow, they don't know you. They could fire you. 0:28:21.440 --> 0:28:22.240 They own your shoes. 0:28:23.680 --> 0:28:24.560 But how different was yo? 0:28:24.640 --> 0:28:27.520 Like the day after the Emmy, Like it's but the Emmy, the. 0:28:27.000 --> 0:28:29.880 The Emmy changed. Yeah, I mean, let's you know, that's 0:28:30.040 --> 0:28:33.360 let's be clear like it just and also too, it's 0:28:33.359 --> 0:28:35.439 like it changed the dynamics on the shy for me. 0:28:35.600 --> 0:28:38.560 It changed, you know, you know in terms of how 0:28:38.600 --> 0:28:40.400 I walked through the world. But even here's the truth, 0:28:40.440 --> 0:28:43.400 Like I was already very clear about who I was 0:28:43.440 --> 0:28:44.920 and the kind of artists I want to be before 0:28:44.960 --> 0:28:48.120 the Emmy, Like I was, you know, I would say 0:28:48.160 --> 0:28:50.920 no to things, certain things. I would go like, I 0:28:50.920 --> 0:28:52.640 don't know if I'm the right person for this or 0:28:53.120 --> 0:28:54.720 that just feels like a check and I don't want 0:28:54.760 --> 0:28:56.600 to just like sell myself for that. Like, and I 0:28:56.600 --> 0:28:58.720 think there's this element where I sometimes see people and 0:28:58.720 --> 0:29:00.320 they go like, but why would you not do that? 0:29:00.320 --> 0:29:03.360 That makes it I'm like, but it may seem cool. 0:29:04.120 --> 0:29:06.600 Don't get caught up in the announcement on deadline, you know, 0:29:06.680 --> 0:29:09.880 because that's fleeting. It's like it would be a cool 0:29:09.920 --> 0:29:12.400 thing for people to retweet. Sure, but like, what about 0:29:12.440 --> 0:29:14.200 the quality of my life? Do I want to work 0:29:14.240 --> 0:29:16.360 with that person? Really? Yeah, they're a big star, But 0:29:16.360 --> 0:29:19.600 do I want that person being my partner that I'm 0:29:19.600 --> 0:29:21.760 getting in bed with? It's like, no, I'd rather go 0:29:21.760 --> 0:29:24.920 with the normal motherfucker who ain't that hot than the 0:29:24.960 --> 0:29:26.840 famous person that might give me a headache. 0:29:28.160 --> 0:29:31.000 You know what, I'm gonna use this moment. I'm sorry 0:29:31.000 --> 0:29:33.360 now I got to step on all y'all. Two, I 0:29:33.400 --> 0:29:34.520 need some advice right. 0:29:34.360 --> 0:29:45.520 Now, advice from le don't eat in bed. 0:29:42.320 --> 0:29:48.600 Eat in bed every night. 0:29:53.280 --> 0:29:56.160 So, uh, when you. 0:29:56.960 --> 0:30:00.600 Just just for those that don't understand the the the 0:30:00.680 --> 0:30:04.280 process of creating a script and show running, can you 0:30:04.360 --> 0:30:07.760 run us through? So are you saying that once you 0:30:09.040 --> 0:30:11.880 complete a script that you're happy with you and your 0:30:11.920 --> 0:30:17.280 collaborator or you yourself whatever. Once it's in the hands 0:30:17.440 --> 0:30:21.680 of the production company or the whatever, showtime or whoever 0:30:21.680 --> 0:30:26.080 you're rolling with, is it out of your hands. Is 0:30:26.080 --> 0:30:29.440 it up to the director to then see what he 0:30:29.480 --> 0:30:32.080 wants to or she wants to see with what's on 0:30:32.360 --> 0:30:32.920 the script. 0:30:33.160 --> 0:30:36.240 Well, it usually depends because like for me, and I'll 0:30:36.280 --> 0:30:38.760 try to take you through like a fictitious scenario. But 0:30:38.840 --> 0:30:41.160 like but even for the shot, I wrote that by myself, 0:30:41.240 --> 0:30:44.160 like onspect means for free, Like nobody paid me to 0:30:44.160 --> 0:30:46.240 write that. I just said I want to write this story. 0:30:46.280 --> 0:30:48.640 So I wrote it, and then I gave it to 0:30:48.720 --> 0:30:50.000 my agents and I was like, Okay, I want you 0:30:50.000 --> 0:30:52.360 guys to send us out to production companies because I 0:30:52.400 --> 0:30:55.520 do feel like having a production company. Then you put 0:30:55.640 --> 0:30:58.160 like places like like Brad pay has production company called 0:30:58.160 --> 0:31:00.560 Plan B. You know what's another good one. I don't know, 0:31:00.680 --> 0:31:02.760 Kery Washington's a production company. There are certain places you 0:31:02.760 --> 0:31:04.160 can give you a script too, because at the time, 0:31:04.200 --> 0:31:05.560 like I wasn't really your name, so I was like, 0:31:05.720 --> 0:31:07.640 maybe I can get in bed with the producer who 0:31:07.720 --> 0:31:09.800 has a little bit more weight, who's got those connections 0:31:09.960 --> 0:31:13.400 that then they then say, okay, we put our arm 0:31:13.400 --> 0:31:16.240 around Leana. We're gonna walk into all these different networks 0:31:16.280 --> 0:31:18.360 and say we really believe this is the thing, or 0:31:18.560 --> 0:31:20.360 then go to a studio, because a studio is like 0:31:20.400 --> 0:31:22.720 a bank. A studio they pay for everything and the 0:31:22.760 --> 0:31:25.440 network airs the show. So I got in bed with 0:31:25.480 --> 0:31:29.520 a producer Aaron Kaplan. Dude, I call him a tony 0:31:29.600 --> 0:31:31.920 soprano of like TV producers. He's got like eight shows 0:31:31.920 --> 0:31:34.320 on that he's an ep on and so he doesn't 0:31:34.320 --> 0:31:36.440 necessarily have to be like super involved in every single show. 0:31:36.480 --> 0:31:38.400 But he's a person that has a lot of like 0:31:38.440 --> 0:31:40.080 connections and can walk in the door and say, yeah, 0:31:40.080 --> 0:31:42.280 I think this is dope. So he and I He's like, 0:31:42.360 --> 0:31:44.520 if I can't produce this show, it's not producable. Okay, 0:31:44.560 --> 0:31:46.320 I believe you. So then he takes me into a 0:31:46.360 --> 0:31:48.960 studio which which is now Fox twenty one, but it 0:31:49.040 --> 0:31:52.120 used to be FTVS. So, so he was like, yo, 0:31:52.200 --> 0:31:54.080 I think you guys should read this this girl's script. 0:31:54.240 --> 0:31:57.880 Andy Bourne exac over there. He read it. He's like, 0:31:57.920 --> 0:31:59.800 I like this script so much. If we don't sell 0:31:59.840 --> 0:32:02.040 this script to a network, we're going to floats into 0:32:02.040 --> 0:32:04.000 a blind deal. That's how much we believe in Lena. 0:32:04.160 --> 0:32:06.280 And a blind deal means if it don't go, they'll 0:32:06.280 --> 0:32:08.120 pay me just writes whatever else I want to write. 0:32:08.200 --> 0:32:09.560 So that means they had a lot of confidence in 0:32:09.600 --> 0:32:11.160 my voice and who I was and around what year 0:32:11.200 --> 0:32:13.480 is this? Oh jesus, I'm so bad with that. It's 0:32:13.480 --> 0:32:15.160 probably three or four years ago something like that. 0:32:15.200 --> 0:32:15.480 Okay. 0:32:16.080 --> 0:32:19.360 So then so now I got a producer who has 0:32:19.360 --> 0:32:21.440 his production company. He's like a production company, And now 0:32:21.480 --> 0:32:23.240 I have a studio. So I got a place that 0:32:23.360 --> 0:32:25.880 saying like we're gonna componly have the money for this 0:32:25.920 --> 0:32:27.960 show whoever decides to do it. So then they're like, 0:32:28.200 --> 0:32:29.480 where do you want to sell us? Then you figure 0:32:29.520 --> 0:32:31.600 out what makes sense for the show, Like what's a 0:32:31.640 --> 0:32:34.160 good home for the show. So I was like, I 0:32:34.200 --> 0:32:36.000 really like Showtime, but they've just done the show called 0:32:36.000 --> 0:32:37.760 The Affair, which I thought was super dope and really 0:32:37.840 --> 0:32:39.479 unique and really fresh. And I was like, if they 0:32:39.520 --> 0:32:41.160 can do The Affair, they should want to do, you know, 0:32:41.200 --> 0:32:44.040 the Shy. So so we went into Showtime first. That 0:32:44.120 --> 0:32:45.640 was like, that was like my top school that I 0:32:45.640 --> 0:32:47.640 wanted to get into. So we go into Showtime. We 0:32:47.680 --> 0:32:50.520 have a wonderful meeting and they bite immediately. They're like, yeah, 0:32:50.560 --> 0:32:52.360 we love it, we love you. Let's do it. So 0:32:52.760 --> 0:32:55.520 so and by that time, and also some other stuff 0:32:55.560 --> 0:32:57.080 like Common was like I want to be involved. I 0:32:57.120 --> 0:32:59.200 was like, you absolutely should be involved. We brought him 0:32:59.200 --> 0:33:01.480 on as an EP and then we even brought in 0:33:01.520 --> 0:33:04.880 a director as well. But low key. I think, depending 0:33:04.880 --> 0:33:06.640 on who you are, you don't necessarily need a whole 0:33:06.720 --> 0:33:10.120 army to walk with you into a network. But it's 0:33:10.160 --> 0:33:13.280 only no longer out of your hands once you signed 0:33:13.280 --> 0:33:15.480 a deal with somebody, Like if you sign a deal 0:33:15.520 --> 0:33:18.320 with a studio where they're like, yeah, we want to 0:33:18.320 --> 0:33:20.600 be in business with you. Queslove with this script. We 0:33:20.640 --> 0:33:22.200 want to buy it. We want to give you a check. 0:33:22.200 --> 0:33:24.280 We're going to do all things. Now they do own it. 0:33:24.680 --> 0:33:27.240 They now own it. You don't own it anymore. And 0:33:27.280 --> 0:33:29.400 if they don't like you or you do something wrong, 0:33:29.440 --> 0:33:31.040 they do have the right to fire you off the 0:33:31.040 --> 0:33:32.920 show and bring somebody else in to run it and 0:33:32.920 --> 0:33:34.360 do it. And even on my show, my first season, 0:33:34.400 --> 0:33:36.280 I had a short runner. I didn't run that show 0:33:36.360 --> 0:33:37.960 for the firstus because also you don't want to show 0:33:38.040 --> 0:33:40.280 run your first season, because being a shortrunner is like 0:33:40.320 --> 0:33:42.400 the worst job on the planet, but it's also the 0:33:42.440 --> 0:33:44.880 most powerful job on the planet. The showrunner has more 0:33:44.920 --> 0:33:46.960 power than the creator of the show. Does that make 0:33:47.000 --> 0:33:49.760 sense because the showrunner is the person who is running 0:33:49.760 --> 0:33:51.800 the room, who's talking to the network, talk to the studio, 0:33:51.920 --> 0:33:52.920 and a lot of people don't even know what the 0:33:52.920 --> 0:33:56.560 showrunner is. So funny, like, I'm not putting nobody on blast. 0:33:56.560 --> 0:34:00.320 But the showrunner of Empire, for who still is it 0:34:00.440 --> 0:34:04.640 was never Lee Daniels. He created the show with Danny right, 0:34:04.720 --> 0:34:07.400 was yeah, Danny Strong they created the show together. But 0:34:07.640 --> 0:34:10.000 on the really Danny might say he kind of helped Shan, 0:34:10.520 --> 0:34:13.960 But yeah, a white woman showran that continues to show 0:34:14.040 --> 0:34:17.080 run the Empire the secret. I just thought it was 0:34:17.120 --> 0:34:21.279 Danny Strong Shaking who created. 0:34:20.120 --> 0:34:31.480 So by the transitive axiom, because because yeah, what is 0:34:31.520 --> 0:34:34.760 that hopeful what I'm saying now, I'm trying to transit 0:34:34.840 --> 0:34:39.279 vaxium And you're basically telling me the Tony Braxton or 0:34:39.320 --> 0:34:44.279 TLC story like you're on the face, which is a 0:34:44.280 --> 0:34:48.280 production deal under another interview, which is under Arister records. 0:34:48.640 --> 0:34:51.960 So it's like she has more power than them, right, No, no. 0:34:51.640 --> 0:34:52.120 No, I know. 0:34:52.160 --> 0:34:54.319 But you said you have the option to either go 0:34:54.400 --> 0:34:56.759 with someone that can walk into the room. I'll either 0:34:56.840 --> 0:34:59.560 Black brad Pit or whoever the Tony soprano is, Yeah, 0:34:59.560 --> 0:35:02.759 iron can right right, So are you saying that it's 0:35:03.040 --> 0:35:06.920 likely it's not that likely if you yourself just walked 0:35:06.920 --> 0:35:12.719 it to the head of showtime, it's well you actually. 0:35:12.440 --> 0:35:16.280 Would he but see, I don't know if I agree 0:35:16.280 --> 0:35:18.200 with that anymore, sorry. 0:35:17.880 --> 0:35:18.520 Because your youth. 0:35:18.560 --> 0:35:22.120 Now though, the truth is they wanted my script. They 0:35:22.160 --> 0:35:24.040 wouldn't have cared iout. I came from Tim Buck fucking two. 0:35:24.400 --> 0:35:26.680 So what I want that script? The position that you're 0:35:26.680 --> 0:35:30.000 in there right now? Yeah, would you walk someone direct 0:35:30.200 --> 0:35:33.120 to I already? Have I already had like there's. 0:35:32.920 --> 0:35:34.400 A direct to the front of the line or is 0:35:34.440 --> 0:35:36.319 it like come through me and then I'll put you 0:35:36.320 --> 0:35:38.320 through Mumbo and then. 0:35:37.800 --> 0:35:39.880 No, no, I'm a I'm believe of going straight to 0:35:39.920 --> 0:35:41.360 the source. Like there's a girl who writes on the 0:35:41.360 --> 0:35:43.560 shot who's super dope and name is Catholic Asake. She 0:35:43.600 --> 0:35:46.040 wrote a phenomenal Poloty also wrote another pilot. But I'm 0:35:46.080 --> 0:35:47.560 an EP on that pilot, and we just had a 0:35:47.560 --> 0:35:49.440 meeting at showtime and like and we went around all 0:35:49.440 --> 0:35:50.520 the kind of stuff like that. I was like, we're 0:35:50.520 --> 0:35:52.239 going straight to the source now. Mind you. I have 0:35:52.280 --> 0:35:54.279 a very different relationship with show Time now, and so 0:35:54.320 --> 0:35:56.520 when I walk somebody in, they're like, oh great. But 0:35:56.719 --> 0:35:58.839 I also believe that at the end of the day, 0:35:58.920 --> 0:36:02.719 everybody dope script is like a freaking lottery ticket. So 0:36:03.080 --> 0:36:05.480 you don't need, you know, a team of people with you. 0:36:05.520 --> 0:36:07.200 If you got a lottery ticket, go cast your shit in. 0:36:07.400 --> 0:36:09.480 If you got that lottery ticket, that's all that matters. 0:36:09.520 --> 0:36:11.759 And what's happening now is like content is king and Queen, 0:36:12.200 --> 0:36:14.440 so they don't care where you're from. Look at the 0:36:14.480 --> 0:36:16.920 avol Cody like she look at her story, look at 0:36:16.920 --> 0:36:18.319 you know, what I'm saying, look at even though Jordan 0:36:18.360 --> 0:36:20.040 Peel had been around for a long time doing that, 0:36:20.160 --> 0:36:22.640 but like that script was something people were like, Okay, 0:36:22.880 --> 0:36:25.000 this is a game changer, and that's why you never 0:36:25.000 --> 0:36:26.719 heard of Blumbhouse, you know what I'm saying. But they 0:36:26.760 --> 0:36:28.360 were like, we want to do this thing, and now 0:36:28.360 --> 0:36:30.880 everybody nam Mama wanted to get in business. But ultimately 0:36:30.920 --> 0:36:33.320 it's like if you got a dope script, those execs 0:36:33.400 --> 0:36:34.960 want to make the thing. Now what they want to 0:36:34.960 --> 0:36:36.200 do is surround you with people who know what the 0:36:36.200 --> 0:36:38.399 fuck they're doing. You don't want some kid, you give 0:36:38.440 --> 0:36:40.120 them a key to a porch. It's like, okay, go drive. 0:36:40.719 --> 0:36:43.040 So it's like, so what happens is usually you sit 0:36:43.080 --> 0:36:45.600 in the passenger side while somebody who knows how to 0:36:45.719 --> 0:36:48.279 drive drives the car for you, and you tell them 0:36:48.280 --> 0:36:49.959 where to turn and where to go and keep straight 0:36:50.000 --> 0:36:51.840 this and that. But it is very complicated. It's the 0:36:51.840 --> 0:36:54.200 thing that nobody knows cause I like, you know, it's 0:36:54.239 --> 0:36:58.000 like even like what TV works, Like no one person 0:36:58.000 --> 0:37:00.839 could write every single episode of a show. Just you 0:37:00.840 --> 0:37:03.560 hear people like Aaron Aaron Sorkin and like Matthew Winer, 0:37:03.600 --> 0:37:06.759 but people like even Shonda and myself, and like, we 0:37:06.840 --> 0:37:09.319 need help to do these shows. There's a writer's room. 0:37:09.360 --> 0:37:11.800 It's people we have to lean on and trust. And 0:37:12.120 --> 0:37:14.000 you know a lot of us have showrunners, you know, 0:37:14.040 --> 0:37:15.719 that are running the show for us and we get 0:37:15.719 --> 0:37:17.640 the creative input. But if you don't get along with 0:37:17.640 --> 0:37:19.120 your showrunners, shit gets real sticky. 0:37:19.560 --> 0:37:21.719 So from the time you created the pilot to it 0:37:21.760 --> 0:37:24.320 actually making it on air, that was what three four years? 0:37:24.560 --> 0:37:28.200 About maybe two two years actually, yeah, because we took 0:37:28.239 --> 0:37:30.040 one year we shot the room. We took another year 0:37:30.040 --> 0:37:31.440 to do that when they put it out. 0:37:31.560 --> 0:37:33.719 But how many great scripts get overshadowed because there's not 0:37:33.800 --> 0:37:35.400 a great team around it. I feel like that happens 0:37:35.400 --> 0:37:35.759 all the time. 0:37:35.800 --> 0:37:37.480 But yeah, and I is sure, and I think that's 0:37:37.480 --> 0:37:39.759 what the Blacklist site is becoming really helpful. My dude, 0:37:39.760 --> 0:37:42.040 Franklin Leonard started that where like anybody, you ain't gonna 0:37:42.040 --> 0:37:43.520 have a manager, you're gonna have nothing. If you put 0:37:44.040 --> 0:37:45.840 a script up there, you pay to get in evaluation. 0:37:45.920 --> 0:37:48.160 If you get like an eight or above, that means 0:37:48.160 --> 0:37:49.759 you got a really good script. And what happens is 0:37:49.800 --> 0:37:52.319 people like me can download them send them around. That's why. 0:37:52.320 --> 0:37:54.239 I went on my Twitter and said, look, I gotta 0:37:54.320 --> 0:37:56.960 I now have a development fund. I'm looking to find writers. 0:37:56.960 --> 0:37:58.279 I don't care where you are. If you got to manage, 0:37:58.280 --> 0:38:00.720 you've got agent. If you're young, black, old, white, aquer whatever. 0:38:00.880 --> 0:38:03.600 If you got a dope script, that's interesting, that makes 0:38:03.640 --> 0:38:06.160 sense for my production company to help get developed and 0:38:06.160 --> 0:38:07.680 get out there in the world. I want to see it. 0:38:07.760 --> 0:38:09.600 When you talk about how to cut through all the clutter, 0:38:09.760 --> 0:38:11.680 that's what the Blacklist site does. And a lot of 0:38:11.680 --> 0:38:13.200 black folks sometimes be like, well, I don't want to 0:38:13.239 --> 0:38:15.480 put my shit into the Internet. I'm like, look what else? 0:38:15.480 --> 0:38:18.080 What's your alternative? You know what I'm saying. It's like 0:38:18.239 --> 0:38:20.520 pay to get evaluates, like seventy five bucks for a feature, 0:38:20.600 --> 0:38:22.600 like something less than that for a pilot, and you 0:38:22.600 --> 0:38:24.880 put it up there and you get professional fucking feedback. 0:38:24.920 --> 0:38:26.560 Because that's a lot of people out here writing in 0:38:26.600 --> 0:38:30.120 their offices and thinking they got Shakespeare. And then somebody's like, no, 0:38:30.320 --> 0:38:31.760 this is to happen and have not. It's no shape, 0:38:31.760 --> 0:38:33.160 no t you know what I'm saying. But the end 0:38:33.160 --> 0:38:35.480 of the day, it's like nobody's getting feedback. 0:38:35.280 --> 0:38:36.319 The way it again. 0:38:36.719 --> 0:38:40.000 Blacklist site. But that's it's without vowel, So b lck 0:38:40.600 --> 0:38:44.759 lst dot com. B lck lst dot com. But if 0:38:44.760 --> 0:38:47.759 you google Franklin Leonard Blacklist site, it'll pop up and 0:38:47.800 --> 0:38:49.319 you don't have to do all you gotta do. If 0:38:49.320 --> 0:38:51.320 you got like seventy five bucks, you got a feature 0:38:51.360 --> 0:38:53.719 you want to just upload, pay to get a fucking evaluation. 0:38:53.920 --> 0:38:55.799 And if you get a five, you know what that means, 0:38:55.840 --> 0:38:58.239 Maybe you get some writing classes. It ain't nothing wrong 0:38:58.280 --> 0:39:00.440 with that. If you get an eight, that means you 0:39:00.480 --> 0:39:02.200 got a pretty solid script on your hands. And then 0:39:02.200 --> 0:39:04.239 you should either hit me up or you can hit 0:39:04.239 --> 0:39:06.000 any almost anybody up and say, hey, I gotta I 0:39:06.040 --> 0:39:08.400 got an overall eight score on the Blacklist site. And 0:39:08.440 --> 0:39:10.120 motherfuckers in the business will know what that means. They're 0:39:10.120 --> 0:39:11.520 gonna go, oh, so that means you got a pretty 0:39:11.520 --> 0:39:13.960 decent script, can you say? And also, here's a great 0:39:14.000 --> 0:39:15.560 thing that cuts the work out for me because because 0:39:15.560 --> 0:39:17.480 you can send me that evaluation and it'll tell me 0:39:17.480 --> 0:39:19.239 how many pages it is, what the log line is, 0:39:19.239 --> 0:39:21.200 what the title is. It will tell me what the 0:39:21.239 --> 0:39:23.719 strengths are in the script, what the weaknesses are, and 0:39:23.719 --> 0:39:28.040 what its potential is sorry. 0:39:26.920 --> 0:39:28.400 What's the How long is that process take for him 0:39:28.440 --> 0:39:29.040 to value sometime? 0:39:29.040 --> 0:39:30.560 It takes about, like, you know, a few days since 0:39:30.600 --> 0:39:32.880 I was a week. Wow, Okay, they just don't know 0:39:32.880 --> 0:39:33.399 about this ship. 0:39:34.000 --> 0:39:38.720 Unlike unlike someone playing me a demo, and I'm telling 0:39:38.800 --> 0:39:43.240 you there's maybe eight times in my life I listened 0:39:43.239 --> 0:39:43.720 to a demo. 0:39:44.120 --> 0:39:47.880 His was one of them. Not for real, like Jill Scott. 0:39:49.280 --> 0:39:56.520 Wow, yeah, like there's. 0:39:57.400 --> 0:39:59.680 Yeah, I don't have the patience to sit through. 0:40:00.320 --> 0:40:02.000 But how did you my questions, but how did you? 0:40:02.080 --> 0:40:03.800 How did how did you end up listening to like 0:40:03.800 --> 0:40:04.839 a Jill Scott's. 0:40:04.840 --> 0:40:08.799 Very specific circumstances long time ago, Jill, I was really 0:40:09.600 --> 0:40:10.160 and I thought it. 0:40:10.200 --> 0:40:19.520 Was people saying that videos she don't know. 0:40:21.719 --> 0:40:23.239 You're not you're not, you're not I have a woman. 0:40:23.280 --> 0:40:27.360 No, No, that's right, okay, I won't even bet no 0:40:27.400 --> 0:40:33.200 more promise no, but no, it was very specific circumstances, 0:40:33.239 --> 0:40:36.840 like what was it like a thunderstorm. 0:40:36.640 --> 0:40:38.200 When we were at the Little Brother show. 0:40:38.920 --> 0:40:43.480 Yeah, so a thunderstorm, uh canceled our show and I 0:40:43.520 --> 0:40:46.000 felt bad for all the Duke fans that had to 0:40:46.640 --> 0:40:48.839 stand this monsoon wait for the rooms to come on. 0:40:49.200 --> 0:40:50.200 So I was like, all right, let me just go 0:40:50.200 --> 0:40:52.400 in the front room and shake everyone's hands, and you put. 0:40:52.280 --> 0:40:53.320 It in my hand. Yeah, I gave it to you. 0:40:53.360 --> 0:40:55.800 I gave you the little brother like our first little 0:40:55.880 --> 0:40:57.680 joints had like four or five joint Yeah, he put. 0:40:57.520 --> 0:40:58.040 It in my hand. 0:40:58.080 --> 0:41:00.839 And I don't know what made just and I never 0:41:01.000 --> 0:41:03.200 it's always. See, these are always like coasters to me. 0:41:03.520 --> 0:41:03.840 Right. 0:41:04.239 --> 0:41:05.719 I was like, let me listen to this, and I 0:41:05.760 --> 0:41:08.120 heard a sample I recognized child. I was like, oh ship, 0:41:08.880 --> 0:41:14.120 and then I realized that these guys are awesome. 0:41:13.960 --> 0:41:17.200 So wow. Yeah, it was very rare circumstances to. 0:41:17.160 --> 0:41:20.799 Which was like a human saxophone or something you heard is. 0:41:23.000 --> 0:41:27.720 Just crazy and still crazy. 0:41:28.280 --> 0:41:32.440 But that's the thing. It's like, you know, even more energy. 0:41:32.480 --> 0:41:34.040 I was going to say, for me to listen to 0:41:34.080 --> 0:41:36.600 a five minutes song, it's hard easier for you. 0:41:36.600 --> 0:41:38.960 You need silence and time. 0:41:39.360 --> 0:41:41.560 Like, so, do you have a regiment that you do, 0:41:41.640 --> 0:41:44.359 like you spend two hours every morning in silence looking 0:41:44.400 --> 0:41:45.120 at scripts? 0:41:46.760 --> 0:41:49.480 It depends, like I mean, honestly, I what I try 0:41:49.520 --> 0:41:51.160 to do is make it so that if I'm reading 0:41:51.160 --> 0:41:52.879 a script, it better be damn good. 0:41:53.280 --> 0:41:55.120 So I have how do you know if it's bullshit 0:41:55.480 --> 0:41:57.640 by page what oh, I. 0:41:57.520 --> 0:41:59.520 Can tell from the first like, what are your what's 0:41:59.520 --> 0:42:02.280 your opening line? I mean it's right there. The voice 0:42:02.520 --> 0:42:05.040 is either there or it's not. It's it's like it's 0:42:05.080 --> 0:42:07.560 almost like singing or a competition like that. It's like 0:42:07.640 --> 0:42:10.239 either you can hear it from the first note. To me, 0:42:10.560 --> 0:42:14.160 action lines are really important because and Joe's dialogue. But 0:42:14.320 --> 0:42:16.719 action lines are the things that you guys don't know 0:42:16.840 --> 0:42:19.200 or see, like you know, that's you hear the dialogue 0:42:19.200 --> 0:42:22.440 with the action lines are like describing the space, describing 0:42:22.440 --> 0:42:25.600 the characters. That's where my personality comes out, you know, 0:42:25.600 --> 0:42:29.200 about how I describe someone Like I'll describe a character 0:42:29.280 --> 0:42:31.239 like she has the kind of beauty that sneaks up 0:42:31.239 --> 0:42:33.200 on you, and she has mommy issues that she still 0:42:33.239 --> 0:42:34.719 hasn't dealt with. This is so and so, and she's 0:42:34.719 --> 0:42:37.640 thirty five years old whatever. That's how I'll describe a character, 0:42:37.920 --> 0:42:40.600 which speaks to how my personality and who I am. 0:42:40.840 --> 0:42:42.440 You want them to know how smart and witty you 0:42:42.480 --> 0:42:43.840 are based on how you describe it. 0:42:44.000 --> 0:42:46.719 Yeah, Like that's that's me giving you my shit, you know, 0:42:46.800 --> 0:42:49.120 because when I say when I when the characters start talking. 0:42:49.560 --> 0:42:51.880 That's them like I can't you know that have to 0:42:51.880 --> 0:42:54.560 step into their shoes. But in between that, I get 0:42:54.560 --> 0:42:56.520 to kind of have my own little relationship with the 0:42:56.560 --> 0:42:59.520 reader and not the audience because the audience isn't gonna 0:42:59.719 --> 0:43:02.239 hear that. But the director looks at that as a 0:43:02.239 --> 0:43:04.480 way to go, Okay, God, this helps me cast. This 0:43:04.560 --> 0:43:07.239 helps me determine what she's going to wear. And whether 0:43:07.239 --> 0:43:08.879 they describe the room or if I'm like, it's it's 0:43:09.000 --> 0:43:10.680 like like I described like a hotel room, like this 0:43:10.719 --> 0:43:14.240 is the place where you know, uh, sex is exchanged 0:43:14.239 --> 0:43:17.600 for money in this in this hotel room. They didn't 0:43:17.640 --> 0:43:19.480 know how to. So that's also my way to communicate 0:43:19.560 --> 0:43:22.480 with my you know, production designer, my warfare department, all 0:43:22.480 --> 0:43:23.359 that kind of stuff as well. 0:43:23.560 --> 0:43:26.640 Awesome, Lesson tell me about your pounding the pavement these 0:43:26.680 --> 0:43:28.759 because I don't want to. I don't I don't want 0:43:28.800 --> 0:43:33.800 to think that your life was green lights. No, I 0:43:33.800 --> 0:43:37.120 haven't seen the team. Like, so the pounding the day 0:43:37.160 --> 0:43:42.279 that you decided to go to LA to pursue your dream, Yeah, 0:43:42.400 --> 0:43:45.080 I assume in two thousand and six, or wait, yeah, 0:43:45.120 --> 0:43:47.560 didn't you writing weren't you with girlfriends by two thousand. 0:43:47.600 --> 0:43:50.719 No, I was a girlfriend the last season like two 0:43:50.760 --> 0:43:51.279 thousand and eight. 0:43:51.320 --> 0:43:54.080 Oh okay, yeah, yeah, I just want to say six years. 0:43:54.840 --> 0:43:57.560 Yeah no, no, no, no, like cause I graduated from college 0:43:57.560 --> 0:44:00.600 in two thousand and six, so I literally like moved 0:44:00.640 --> 0:44:03.160 out there. And it's funny because my first internship really 0:44:03.200 --> 0:44:06.440 kind of was was with Edmond's Entertainment when it used 0:44:06.440 --> 0:44:09.000 to be called Edmonds Entertainment, which is Babyface and Tracy 0:44:09.040 --> 0:44:13.759 when they were maybe they weren't together anymore, might ah, 0:44:15.360 --> 0:44:17.239 I wasn't there yet, but I knew about that movie. 0:44:17.800 --> 0:44:24.080 Knew about that movie is dope, And so internship, you 0:44:24.120 --> 0:44:27.200 know what, Actually I just found because Columbia College has 0:44:27.239 --> 0:44:29.440 this great message board where you can see about internship. 0:44:29.440 --> 0:44:30.759 So I saw it on there. And then like this 0:44:30.800 --> 0:44:33.160 white guy, I think there was Lucas. He was working 0:44:33.200 --> 0:44:36.000 for them. He caught me in. I didn't need much, 0:44:36.480 --> 0:44:38.200 you know. He was like he's like, okay, you're on time. 0:44:38.200 --> 0:44:40.319 Your resume is cool. And I interned for them, and 0:44:40.400 --> 0:44:42.359 you know, I was around Tracy and you know those guys, 0:44:42.400 --> 0:44:44.200 and they were like they were like they had like 0:44:44.239 --> 0:44:46.480 a studio and people come in and do music. I 0:44:46.520 --> 0:44:49.680 remember Reich used to come up in there, uh uh, 0:44:49.719 --> 0:44:53.239 and they had like very expensive cars. Eddie Murphy might 0:44:53.239 --> 0:44:55.319 have been kind of sort of dating Tracy at the time, 0:44:55.360 --> 0:44:57.360 I think, so I saw him a few times, but 0:44:57.400 --> 0:44:59.359 like they were doing like reality show stuff. They were 0:44:59.360 --> 0:45:01.080 like I was like pa on some of their stuff 0:45:01.080 --> 0:45:03.120 they were doing. But it was just a cool place 0:45:03.160 --> 0:45:04.440 cause I was like, all these the motherfuckers they did 0:45:04.440 --> 0:45:05.960 sould fool like this is lit. And so I was 0:45:06.040 --> 0:45:09.040 up in there, and then I started working in a 0:45:09.080 --> 0:45:12.400 reality TV where I was like a person transcribing like 0:45:12.760 --> 0:45:15.160 videos for the real world and shit like it was 0:45:15.520 --> 0:45:17.359 that's how you make money, we living, you gotta work 0:45:17.360 --> 0:45:19.320 in reality And then I started because then that was 0:45:19.360 --> 0:45:21.600 from like six pm to three am every night, and 0:45:21.840 --> 0:45:23.840 because I wanted my days free so I could intern. 0:45:23.920 --> 0:45:26.719 So I interned at a literary agency that ltsmly ended 0:45:26.760 --> 0:45:28.960 up repping me later, but I was there from nine 0:45:28.960 --> 0:45:31.400 to five and Beverly Hills and drove an hour to 0:45:31.440 --> 0:45:33.960 the valley from six to three am for like two months. 0:45:34.000 --> 0:45:37.480 Like your first apartment was deep in the valley. 0:45:37.600 --> 0:45:41.200 Yeah, so I was. But that don't even day jobs. 0:45:41.200 --> 0:45:43.879 That was an internship. So I wasn't getting paid eight 0:45:43.920 --> 0:45:48.040 three hours. We started off as three days a week, 0:45:48.040 --> 0:45:49.520 and then they were like, well, we're gonna bring somebody else in. 0:45:49.560 --> 0:45:52.120 I was like, no, I'll do it, yeah, because I 0:45:52.160 --> 0:45:53.480 was like, if you have an opportunity comes up, I 0:45:53.520 --> 0:45:55.399 want that opportunity. They're like, okay, so you really want 0:45:55.400 --> 0:45:56.520 to work here five days a week and go to 0:45:56.520 --> 0:45:57.960 work at night everything. I was like, yeah, I'll sleep 0:45:57.960 --> 0:45:58.520 on the weekends. 0:45:58.680 --> 0:46:02.359 How how long was the process before you felt there 0:46:02.400 --> 0:46:03.319 was a light at the end. 0:46:03.200 --> 0:46:03.800 Of the tunnel? 0:46:03.960 --> 0:46:06.440 Man, I just kept thinking that. But I did that 0:46:06.480 --> 0:46:08.360 for about two and a half months, and I kept thinking, like, 0:46:08.480 --> 0:46:10.279 I'm going to get something out of this, Like me 0:46:10.520 --> 0:46:12.799 doing this, something's got to come out of it. And 0:46:12.840 --> 0:46:14.520 then sure enough, one of their clients, they were like 0:46:14.520 --> 0:46:16.319 one of our clients, he's a new assistant and they 0:46:16.320 --> 0:46:18.319 happened to be running girlfriends and so I was like, 0:46:18.360 --> 0:46:19.840 I wanted I want an interview for that job. So 0:46:19.880 --> 0:46:21.759 I went in and I loved to sit in a 0:46:21.840 --> 0:46:23.960 room like this with my competition, and I was like, Hey, 0:46:24.000 --> 0:46:25.480 don't none of y'all know this show better than me? 0:46:26.000 --> 0:46:28.319 And I walked in there, got the job, and it 0:46:28.400 --> 0:46:30.960 really was the start of my life, you know, in 0:46:30.960 --> 0:46:33.040 that industry. You know, I got to meet Mara, Tracy 0:46:33.040 --> 0:46:35.000 Ellis Ross, like Kenya was working on the game at 0:46:35.040 --> 0:46:37.000 the time, Like everybody I'm cool with now, Like I 0:46:37.120 --> 0:46:42.240 met at Girlfriends and all of them have like Prince Penny, 0:46:42.239 --> 0:46:44.400 who was like he might have still been like staff right, 0:46:44.480 --> 0:46:48.400 he now runs Insecure. Karen Jis, who was writing Our 0:46:48.440 --> 0:46:51.680 Girlfriends at the time, now run star Regina Hicks was 0:46:51.680 --> 0:46:55.400 currently writing on Insecure, like obviously Kenya Barris went on 0:46:55.440 --> 0:46:57.320 The Great Blackish and Grownish all this kind of stuff, 0:46:57.360 --> 0:46:59.480 So like all those people and then like you know, 0:46:59.520 --> 0:47:01.000 you got my black ass was over here trying to 0:47:01.000 --> 0:47:02.799 do something too. But they literally like can you text 0:47:02.880 --> 0:47:05.280 me last night? Keny was like, bitch, you a fucking 0:47:05.400 --> 0:47:07.440 kim On what the fuck? Like He's like they I 0:47:07.440 --> 0:47:09.759 think for them it's trippy because they remember me being 0:47:09.880 --> 0:47:11.000 like the show runners as. 0:47:10.960 --> 0:47:14.360 System, what was your biggest like mar or Lesson. I 0:47:14.360 --> 0:47:15.680 find her so fascinating. 0:47:16.840 --> 0:47:18.799 I mean, honestly, the thing I learned, She's not a 0:47:18.800 --> 0:47:21.200 person that's like like say this directly to me, But 0:47:21.239 --> 0:47:23.360 what I took from it was like she was a 0:47:23.400 --> 0:47:29.160 real I think a politician in that like she's like JFK, 0:47:29.640 --> 0:47:32.880 you know what I mean, like very she's she knows it. 0:47:32.880 --> 0:47:35.560 In order to get you to pay attention, she's got 0:47:35.560 --> 0:47:39.560 to bring a look, a brand, a vibe. And I 0:47:39.560 --> 0:47:42.360 think that's what people don't really know about Mar's brilliant 0:47:42.400 --> 0:47:44.759 in terms of her brand, is that she doesn't she 0:47:44.800 --> 0:47:47.799 when she walks in, you're already like sold. She's going, 0:47:48.120 --> 0:47:51.200 whatever it is you're telling me, like I'm going to buy. 0:47:52.200 --> 0:47:54.000 And I think that's and that's a big thing I 0:47:54.000 --> 0:47:55.600 really picked up from her is that it's not just 0:47:55.640 --> 0:47:58.800 about having you know, talent and scripts, but it's about 0:47:58.880 --> 0:48:01.640 what's your brand, Like what's your personality? Like who are you? 0:48:01.719 --> 0:48:03.920 And even like her and her husband the kid, like 0:48:04.040 --> 0:48:06.200 that's a part of her brand, like being a mom, 0:48:06.280 --> 0:48:09.080 being a wife and having you know, you know, doing 0:48:09.120 --> 0:48:11.880 love is or you know or you know, being Mary Jane, 0:48:11.880 --> 0:48:13.600 Like all these things are pulled from her life and 0:48:13.640 --> 0:48:16.200 her like girlfriends is pulled from pages of her diary. 0:48:16.360 --> 0:48:17.759 And I think I really picked up on that. I 0:48:17.800 --> 0:48:19.680 was like, oh, I should just talk about who I 0:48:19.719 --> 0:48:22.839 am and be myself and people will always remember that. 0:48:22.920 --> 0:48:24.400 That's why I was just telling somebod advice. The other day, 0:48:24.440 --> 0:48:26.759 I'm like, these fucking general meetings that people have that 0:48:26.800 --> 0:48:29.080 they going, I'm like, what's the fucking point. It's like, 0:48:29.120 --> 0:48:31.440 if you can't when you walk out of that room, 0:48:31.440 --> 0:48:33.440 they got to you gotta haunt them once you lead 0:48:33.480 --> 0:48:34.640 a room, they got to be like, I can't get 0:48:34.640 --> 0:48:36.359 this right out of my head because the story they 0:48:36.360 --> 0:48:38.399 share with me, whatever, it's like going there and treat 0:48:38.480 --> 0:48:40.799 like a fucking therapy session. Don't be crazy, but like 0:48:40.880 --> 0:48:42.920 tell them, tell them, like what's going on, Like if 0:48:42.960 --> 0:48:44.799 you went through a breakup, like say that, Like you know, 0:48:44.800 --> 0:48:46.719 if you went through a thing, say that, because you 0:48:46.760 --> 0:48:48.560 never know what they went through. They make like I 0:48:48.560 --> 0:48:51.440 would breakup too, Like what? And then next thing, you know, 0:48:51.520 --> 0:48:54.319 you having a real connection with an exec that may 0:48:54.320 --> 0:48:56.120 not even like your script that much, but when you 0:48:56.160 --> 0:48:57.879 walk out the door, they like, I feel like that 0:48:57.920 --> 0:49:00.520 person just really gave me a real moment. That's why 0:49:00.520 --> 0:49:01.960 I used to always do it. Gentlemen, I'm like, I'm 0:49:02.000 --> 0:49:03.600 gonna walk I walk out of here, They're gonna feel 0:49:03.600 --> 0:49:05.480 like they had a real conversation with me. And for 0:49:05.520 --> 0:49:06.799 the most what they would beause I would give them 0:49:06.800 --> 0:49:07.239 some real shit. 0:49:07.800 --> 0:49:08.480 What what? 0:49:08.719 --> 0:49:08.879 Uh? 0:49:10.200 --> 0:49:12.960 What will prevent not prevent you? But now that the 0:49:13.000 --> 0:49:15.560 heat is on or now that it's on and popping right. 0:49:17.960 --> 0:49:20.840 Whitney Cummings once told me, like, at one point it 0:49:20.920 --> 0:49:26.000 was so exhausting for her, uh fine tuning every detail 0:49:26.040 --> 0:49:29.560 of her show and Two Brooke Girls, and at the 0:49:29.600 --> 0:49:31.920 time she was trying to develop like two other shows. 0:49:32.560 --> 0:49:34.360 And I was just like, you know, and people asked me, 0:49:34.640 --> 0:49:36.560 like when need you sleep and all that, But. 0:49:36.520 --> 0:49:39.359 It's like, I mean with me, it's like I kind 0:49:39.360 --> 0:49:41.640 of have a team for each project I do, so 0:49:41.680 --> 0:49:43.319 I could just come to check the shoulders, check over 0:49:43.360 --> 0:49:48.239 the shoulders, you know. But are you totally immersed in 0:49:48.440 --> 0:49:51.200 all the projects that you're developing, as in you have 0:49:51.320 --> 0:49:56.200 to micromanage every fine detail of all these projects, or 0:49:57.680 --> 0:50:00.680 you know, at one point, will you become doctor dre and. 0:50:00.840 --> 0:50:12.399 Just nigga, I saw the Divine Ones, you know, which 0:50:12.400 --> 0:50:12.840 is brilliant. 0:50:12.880 --> 0:50:14.279 His wife was like, won't you be home? Like, I 0:50:14.320 --> 0:50:18.279 don't know, okay, cool baby, that studio it's crazy, but 0:50:18.719 --> 0:50:20.439 I think I don't need I don't. I don't micro 0:50:20.520 --> 0:50:23.000 manage every project. If I did, I would never sleep. 0:50:23.000 --> 0:50:25.960 And I wouldn't have a healthy relationship. There are certain 0:50:26.000 --> 0:50:28.279 projects like Twenties with that pilot, like I got a 0:50:28.320 --> 0:50:29.719 micro manage that because I'm sill trying to get a 0:50:29.760 --> 0:50:31.839 serious order that people think like, oh, you got another show. 0:50:31.880 --> 0:50:33.719 I'm like, not not yet. I got a pilot order. 0:50:33.960 --> 0:50:35.839 Me and Justin sent me is gonna come and direct 0:50:35.840 --> 0:50:38.279 that pilot. Yes, we're very excited to be working together again. 0:50:38.280 --> 0:50:40.279 We're gon we're gonna try to give them a phenomenal pilot. 0:50:40.320 --> 0:50:42.000 So we didn't get a series order, and then it's 0:50:42.040 --> 0:50:44.600 about I'm gonna try to bring Susan phils Healing the 0:50:44.640 --> 0:50:46.200 co show run that with me. She she was the 0:50:46.200 --> 0:50:48.759 show run of a Different World and she's phenomenal. But 0:50:48.760 --> 0:50:50.439 I want to bring her in and help me run 0:50:50.480 --> 0:50:52.759 that and have, you know, maybe have her teach me 0:50:52.800 --> 0:50:54.000 some things. But I'm gonna go like, hey, I want 0:50:54.000 --> 0:50:56.000 to do this and learn from her. Did Sean? I have 0:50:56.040 --> 0:50:58.520 a phenomenal new show runner. Her name is Iana Floyd Davis. 0:50:58.520 --> 0:51:00.360 She's a black woman. She's Jamaica, and she's like the 0:51:00.360 --> 0:51:04.040 auntie I always you know, never knew I needed. But 0:51:04.400 --> 0:51:06.799 she's she's a showrunner. So it's like I'm there to 0:51:06.880 --> 0:51:09.000 help and guide, but she's show running. I got a 0:51:09.000 --> 0:51:11.920 project with Kim that Kim Whitley who played my aunt 0:51:11.960 --> 0:51:14.800 on Thanksgiving. She wrote something for her Lucy based on 0:51:14.840 --> 0:51:17.680 her life, so we have it set up somewhere. Still 0:51:17.680 --> 0:51:19.120 trying to get that serious order. I still have some 0:51:19.160 --> 0:51:21.200 writing to do on that one, but but yeah, I 0:51:21.239 --> 0:51:22.680 want to find a show runner that really gets her 0:51:22.760 --> 0:51:24.719 voice and gets what I'm going for. So again, I 0:51:24.760 --> 0:51:27.839 think you're right. It's about having teams of people that 0:51:27.920 --> 0:51:29.920 you trust and you love and you fuck with. And 0:51:29.960 --> 0:51:33.400 I really talented because there's things I'm producing. That's why 0:51:33.400 --> 0:51:34.880 I really like producing, because then I ain't got to 0:51:34.920 --> 0:51:37.600 like come in and it buys and give thoughts and 0:51:37.640 --> 0:51:39.000 this and that and then go. You could take it 0:51:39.080 --> 0:51:40.480 to leave it, but I think you should take it. 0:51:41.040 --> 0:51:43.360 But you know, but I think that's really how I 0:51:43.360 --> 0:51:46.080 think you build and build a brand. And it's tough 0:51:46.120 --> 0:51:47.680 because you It's true if you look at Whitney Commings 0:51:47.680 --> 0:51:50.560 and I remember that that time where she was popping, 0:51:50.680 --> 0:51:52.640 like everybody was like she had all these pilosts and that, 0:51:52.800 --> 0:51:54.480 and I think she's still really talented, and I think 0:51:54.520 --> 0:51:56.480 she's still doing really dope things. But I think for me, 0:51:56.520 --> 0:51:59.319 it's about also managing that at some point, I'm gonna 0:51:59.320 --> 0:52:01.799 step back. I'm gonna go away for a bit where 0:52:01.800 --> 0:52:03.160 I'm not everywhere. You know what I'm saying. But you 0:52:03.239 --> 0:52:05.080 see my work, you see my shows, you know what 0:52:05.120 --> 0:52:07.920 I'm saying. You see the Shy, you see twenties, you know, 0:52:08.080 --> 0:52:09.640 you see you know. I know I pop up in 0:52:09.680 --> 0:52:11.719 season two of Dear White People, But it's like little 0:52:11.719 --> 0:52:13.640 things like that that makes sense. Or it's like we've 0:52:13.640 --> 0:52:15.759 got the Spielberg movie coming out in this month. I'm 0:52:15.760 --> 0:52:17.799 in that. Obviously I'm not promoting that, and it's like that, 0:52:17.880 --> 0:52:20.520 but once that movie comes out, like I'm gonna step 0:52:20.520 --> 0:52:22.000 back a bit and go back into the lab and 0:52:22.040 --> 0:52:23.919 do some work. And I think that's really the trick. 0:52:23.960 --> 0:52:26.600 I think it's knowing when to go back and when 0:52:26.640 --> 0:52:28.640 to come out. We love Kevin Hart, but Kevin Heart's 0:52:28.680 --> 0:52:29.280 kind of everywhere. 0:52:29.400 --> 0:52:32.640 What did you What did you say no to that? 0:52:33.200 --> 0:52:38.120 You know, not that you regret, like something that was like, ah, 0:52:38.200 --> 0:52:40.080 this is the dream, But I can't do it right. 0:52:40.880 --> 0:52:49.759 I mean, I won't say exactly what it is because 0:52:49.800 --> 0:52:51.080 I'm cool with the person. End up writing it. But 0:52:51.080 --> 0:52:53.319 I did get offered to write a movie that ended 0:52:53.400 --> 0:52:56.120 up doing really well, and I was just like. 0:52:57.120 --> 0:52:58.759 Uh, you can't say the movie. 0:52:58.880 --> 0:52:59.840 No, I'm not gonna say no. 0:53:00.000 --> 0:53:00.040 No. 0:53:00.400 --> 0:53:03.080 Well you said yeah, but but I don't want the 0:53:03.120 --> 0:53:07.040 person that ended up writing it. I said no, so 0:53:07.160 --> 0:53:12.359 you go ahead, but here's what I'll say. But well, 0:53:13.320 --> 0:53:16.920 the politics, it's because she's my friend. But I feel 0:53:16.920 --> 0:53:20.160 like to me, I was like, that's not my brand 0:53:20.320 --> 0:53:23.080 or like that doesn't speak to my brand. That's me 0:53:23.200 --> 0:53:26.239 writing for someone else's brand, and I don't know how 0:53:26.320 --> 0:53:28.640 that furthers what I'm trying to do. So I think 0:53:28.680 --> 0:53:30.600 that's I think sometimes when you grab these things or 0:53:30.600 --> 0:53:32.360 isn't that cool, I'm like, yeah, but who is that 0:53:32.400 --> 0:53:34.919 really helping? Because then if you look at like Black Panther, Yeah, 0:53:35.000 --> 0:53:37.720 Marvel's a huge brand. Marvel maybe bigger than Ryan Coogler, 0:53:37.760 --> 0:53:41.800 but Ryan Coogler made Marvel not his bitch, but like 0:53:41.840 --> 0:53:44.400 they made it like I'm gonna do my thing with 0:53:44.440 --> 0:53:46.680 this movie so much so that it will always be 0:53:46.680 --> 0:53:49.480 associated with me and his brand, you know. More so 0:53:49.520 --> 0:53:51.080 people think of it as a Marvel movie. Oh yeah, 0:53:51.080 --> 0:53:52.960 that Brian Coogler joint. You know what I'm saying, and 0:53:53.000 --> 0:53:55.200 I think if you can do that, cool, but that 0:53:55.280 --> 0:53:57.440 particular thing, especially where I was in my career, I 0:53:57.440 --> 0:53:59.080 would have just been a higher hand. I'm like, no, 0:53:59.160 --> 0:54:01.440 I'm cool. I want to make that like really feels like. 0:54:01.440 --> 0:54:02.080 Me, Lena. 0:54:02.160 --> 0:54:04.640 Is it safe to say that nobody has tried to 0:54:04.760 --> 0:54:07.399 like dumb down or worder down your brand, whether we're 0:54:07.400 --> 0:54:10.680 talking about your outside or your inside, because it seems 0:54:10.719 --> 0:54:13.279 like you have a freedom. You feel a freedom, and 0:54:13.320 --> 0:54:16.399 you are allowed this freedom that somebody maybe ten years 0:54:16.440 --> 0:54:17.560 ago may not have. 0:54:18.200 --> 0:54:20.759 I don't know or even now. That's my big beef. 0:54:20.800 --> 0:54:22.759 I still think more. I know a lot of gay 0:54:22.760 --> 0:54:24.800 black celebrities that are not gay publicly. 0:54:24.960 --> 0:54:27.799 Yo your essence speech when you was calling Knicks out, 0:54:27.880 --> 0:54:31.279 like stayne listen, did you get some back? No? 0:54:31.360 --> 0:54:32.880 I look, it was nothing but love. I got a 0:54:32.880 --> 0:54:34.360 lot of love from people, and a lot of folks 0:54:34.360 --> 0:54:37.439 that I know who are gay but aren't out yet. 0:54:37.480 --> 0:54:38.839 By the way, I wasn't like trying to like throw 0:54:38.840 --> 0:54:40.840 shape a Coeople text me and say yo, I'm not 0:54:40.960 --> 0:54:42.839 hide and sist. You know, I'm just out here, And 0:54:42.880 --> 0:54:44.400 I was like no. But I was like no, I 0:54:44.440 --> 0:54:47.560 was like I don't think that you are. Yeah, you know, 0:54:47.680 --> 0:54:49.480 it's like, look, I'm not I don't. I wasn't trying 0:54:49.480 --> 0:54:52.520 to call nobody. All I was saying is we I 0:54:52.640 --> 0:54:57.960 believe for particularly for gay black motherfuckers, it's our responsibility 0:54:58.360 --> 0:55:00.000 to be a light at the end of the tunnel. 0:55:00.560 --> 0:55:03.280 Because it's like, if you look at how many black 0:55:03.320 --> 0:55:05.319 people there are in Hollywood, and there's a nice number 0:55:05.360 --> 0:55:07.560 of us, and you think about how many out kay 0:55:07.600 --> 0:55:09.839 black people that are in Hollywood, it's about what me 0:55:10.040 --> 0:55:14.960 wantuh Titus. 0:55:14.680 --> 0:55:17.640 Lee, and probably more than men because black men got 0:55:17.640 --> 0:55:18.720 a whole different study. 0:55:18.760 --> 0:55:20.640 But also to here, here's another thing to it. Even 0:55:20.640 --> 0:55:21.719 in music, you know what I'm saying, a lot of 0:55:21.719 --> 0:55:22.920 times I'll be thinking about like some of these R 0:55:22.920 --> 0:55:28.680 and B singers who I know them right well, but 0:55:28.680 --> 0:55:32.200 I'm talking about But here's the here's the interesting. 0:55:32.160 --> 0:55:37.800 Sarcasm when you hear it that. 0:55:38.400 --> 0:55:41.239 But here's the deal. There's some like there's some R 0:55:41.280 --> 0:55:46.280 and B like black men singers who are uh faking 0:55:46.280 --> 0:55:49.640 the funk, shall we say, singing to women where they 0:55:49.640 --> 0:55:51.600 know they don't want to be. And here's the deal. 0:55:51.600 --> 0:55:53.480 And I see them, I look at them on I 0:55:53.560 --> 0:55:55.799 g I see the a cappella Tuesday, and I'm just 0:55:55.840 --> 0:55:58.040 sort of like, but it's so interesting to me because 0:55:58.040 --> 0:55:59.960 you look at like, yeah, a lot of casts like saying, 0:56:00.120 --> 0:56:02.000 I'm really saying I do this, like they're trying to 0:56:02.040 --> 0:56:06.479 be like and they're dope and they're no. I follow 0:56:06.520 --> 0:56:08.520 these cats. I love singers. I think it's great. But 0:56:08.560 --> 0:56:11.359 some of them, I'm like, dog, really, come on, come on, brother, 0:56:11.640 --> 0:56:14.040 And a lot of them are like, I don't know 0:56:14.040 --> 0:56:15.520 why I'm not on yet. I don't know. I'm not 0:56:15.520 --> 0:56:17.360 own yet. And I'm just saying, like, if you fucking 0:56:17.400 --> 0:56:19.799 came out and told your truth, maybe motherfucker will talk 0:56:19.800 --> 0:56:20.960 about you. And no, I don't know, ship like, oh, 0:56:21.000 --> 0:56:22.920 let me be gay for pay. But it's like to me, 0:56:23.080 --> 0:56:24.759 what Frank did. Here's the other thing too about Frank. 0:56:25.600 --> 0:56:28.640 He's just dope, Okay. I really fuck with his music. 0:56:28.760 --> 0:56:31.160 Really liked Blonde. I thought it was really dope. I 0:56:31.200 --> 0:56:35.160 think that because he's living his truth, it bleeds into 0:56:35.200 --> 0:56:37.840 the art, it beleds into what he's doing. He can't 0:56:37.840 --> 0:56:40.560 not be just like this authentic motherfucker. Even though he's 0:56:40.560 --> 0:56:42.359 like this, you know, he's a weird guy. He goes 0:56:42.360 --> 0:56:44.880 away for too long sometimes, but there's something about it 0:56:44.920 --> 0:56:46.440 that just speaks to everybody. 0:56:46.080 --> 0:56:48.680 Like anything's specialized? Can an arm? Can there? 0:56:48.719 --> 0:56:50.560 Are you ready for an gay R and B singer 0:56:50.600 --> 0:56:53.000 that just wants to sing? And I'm gay and I'm 0:56:53.000 --> 0:56:54.160 not singing about man? 0:56:54.640 --> 0:56:55.160 Are we ready? 0:56:55.360 --> 0:56:56.200 You think you ready? 0:56:56.440 --> 0:56:56.640 Yeah? 0:56:56.880 --> 0:56:59.799 I wasn't for us like a big hit it is, 0:56:59.840 --> 0:57:00.839 but you remember what. 0:57:00.760 --> 0:57:04.000 We talked about before we started the show. I just 0:57:04.040 --> 0:57:06.480 think what and this deals with the Thanksgiving episode? I 0:57:06.480 --> 0:57:10.280 think that just conservative Black Christianity. 0:57:10.400 --> 0:57:10.640 Yep. 0:57:11.080 --> 0:57:14.920 It's such a heavy burden on everyone. It's always like 0:57:15.520 --> 0:57:18.080 you're always every step you make is like what will 0:57:18.080 --> 0:57:18.760 my mama thinks? 0:57:18.800 --> 0:57:19.720 Look at gospel? 0:57:20.240 --> 0:57:21.600 I think? 0:57:21.680 --> 0:57:23.720 But once I stopped caring about what my mama thought, 0:57:24.160 --> 0:57:25.920 that's what I really even though like it took me 0:57:26.280 --> 0:57:27.680 obviously have to come out to her and I went 0:57:27.680 --> 0:57:29.880 through that whole situation, and we went through our thing 0:57:29.920 --> 0:57:32.720 and we finally have like found a comfortable place to be. 0:57:33.120 --> 0:57:35.720 But I realized, in order to come out, you kind 0:57:35.760 --> 0:57:37.840 of can't give a fuck what anybody thinks because you 0:57:37.880 --> 0:57:40.040 got to prepare yourself with your mama may be like, okay, 0:57:40.080 --> 0:57:42.240 well you do that and I'll be in heaven when 0:57:42.240 --> 0:57:44.840 you're not you know, but it's like but but but 0:57:45.560 --> 0:57:49.640 you have to come to a place where you don't care. 0:57:49.760 --> 0:57:51.120 You got to be like, this is my true this 0:57:51.160 --> 0:57:53.160 is who I am. How you react to that's how 0:57:53.200 --> 0:57:55.640 you react to? Yes, I gotta say it. 0:57:55.760 --> 0:57:58.480 So how did you convince or how did the idea 0:57:58.480 --> 0:57:59.720 of the Thanksgiving episode? 0:58:00.200 --> 0:58:02.920 Well, it really it was born out of me, uh, 0:58:02.960 --> 0:58:04.760 because I didn't have any plans on telling that story 0:58:04.760 --> 0:58:06.720 because I just also didn't think it was that fascinating. 0:58:06.920 --> 0:58:07.280 I ain't a. 0:58:07.360 --> 0:58:09.080 Real verbata, that's your real verbata. 0:58:09.280 --> 0:58:11.840 So it's like a full, like I mean, thinly veiled version. 0:58:13.840 --> 0:58:14.720 Sugar video. Yo. 0:58:20.760 --> 0:58:23.960 I didn't even know what the episode was about. Watch 0:58:24.080 --> 0:58:27.160 that well, because the season was like what's best man? 0:58:28.240 --> 0:58:29.480 You educated black people? 0:58:31.600 --> 0:58:31.720 Like? 0:58:32.280 --> 0:58:35.560 Well, I was in London filming, so, uh, these gratefully 0:58:35.680 --> 0:58:37.360 came to me so we could write that. But so 0:58:37.400 --> 0:58:38.640 I have to write it in three days. I had 0:58:38.640 --> 0:58:40.360 like three days off from filming, and he's like, we'll 0:58:40.360 --> 0:58:42.600 get this done. So but what we did was, and 0:58:42.600 --> 0:58:44.680 I don't know why, but we just started like we 0:58:44.680 --> 0:58:46.520 were trying to obviously go back into like the nineties 0:58:46.520 --> 0:58:47.880 and us coming up so we was like watching music 0:58:47.960 --> 0:58:51.040 videos and and one of them was like new a Edition, Case, 0:58:51.040 --> 0:58:53.280 standa Rain. We watched D'Angelo all that kind of stuff, 0:58:53.400 --> 0:58:55.760 and that's really kind of how that bled into because 0:58:55.760 --> 0:58:57.160 we were like what. He was like, what did you 0:58:57.160 --> 0:58:58.480 do all the time? And that's a real thing. When 0:58:58.520 --> 0:59:01.240 I was young, BT used to really be about fucking 0:59:01.320 --> 0:59:03.640 music videos and we watched the Countdown every Friday night 0:59:03.680 --> 0:59:05.720 and that's and that so I learned a lot about 0:59:05.840 --> 0:59:08.640 like just culture and swag and this through just music videos. 0:59:08.800 --> 0:59:10.600 So we really because He's and I both know, we 0:59:10.640 --> 0:59:12.880 wanted to incorporate one and that one just for both 0:59:12.880 --> 0:59:15.480 of us. It really sang to us. But it came 0:59:15.480 --> 0:59:17.360 out because like Alan just asked me. He's like, how 0:59:17.360 --> 0:59:19.160 did you come out? Because I was talking about dating 0:59:19.200 --> 0:59:20.840 and this and that. He asked me. And I started 0:59:20.880 --> 0:59:22.840 telling them the story and they were like, bitch, that's 0:59:22.840 --> 0:59:25.200 an episode, Like that's interesting, and I was like is 0:59:25.200 --> 0:59:27.000 it okay? And then they were like we want you 0:59:27.040 --> 0:59:28.640 to help write it and I was like, I said no. 0:59:28.720 --> 0:59:29.800 I was like, dude, I got too much of my 0:59:29.880 --> 0:59:32.960 plate the Spielberg movie. I gotta put online energy into that. 0:59:33.200 --> 0:59:35.959 I'm so Shy hadn't been officially green Lilit the series yet, 0:59:36.080 --> 0:59:38.160 I was still We had a mini room and I 0:59:38.200 --> 0:59:40.720 was just like, yo, it's he I cannot spread myself 0:59:40.840 --> 0:59:42.440 like any dinner than I'm already spread right now. And 0:59:42.440 --> 0:59:43.840 he was like, well, if you don't help me write it, 0:59:43.840 --> 0:59:46.200 then I would feel weird writing about myself. And so 0:59:46.560 --> 0:59:48.400 I was like, all right, man, I was like cool. 0:59:48.440 --> 0:59:49.800 I was like, well, what is it gonna be. He's 0:59:49.800 --> 0:59:51.640 like I don't know. He's like, well, just we'll outline it, 0:59:51.640 --> 0:59:53.600 we'll talk about it, we'll email back and forth. And 0:59:53.640 --> 0:59:54.200 he was a man of force. 0:59:54.400 --> 0:59:54.760 So we did. 0:59:54.760 --> 0:59:56.800 We just like email back and forth. His brother, a niece, 0:59:56.840 --> 0:59:58.680 actually came up with the idea of like centering it 0:59:58.680 --> 1:00:01.080 around Thanksgiving because I told him I was like, I 1:00:01.120 --> 1:00:03.760 can't just do some straight line like thirty minutes. I 1:00:03.760 --> 1:00:05.640 got to go through the stages. But then as he's 1:00:05.680 --> 1:00:07.080 really liked that, he's like, I like the idea of 1:00:07.160 --> 1:00:08.720 you showing you as a kid and growing up and 1:00:08.760 --> 1:00:10.800 this and that. So it just sort of really happened 1:00:10.840 --> 1:00:12.400 after our conversation we had while we were here in 1:00:12.480 --> 1:00:14.160 New York, and then I went off to London and 1:00:14.200 --> 1:00:15.720 we was like emailing back and forth and just kind 1:00:15.720 --> 1:00:22.560 of came together crazy and then Angel fucking Malina's assam 1:00:22.680 --> 1:00:24.919 and as because they were like, let's get angela basket. 1:00:25.000 --> 1:00:28.400 I was like, both of y'all are fucking crazy. And 1:00:28.480 --> 1:00:30.360 she knew what it was. I think I was like, 1:00:30.520 --> 1:00:33.920 they reached out to her manager and he knew. Her 1:00:33.960 --> 1:00:35.520 manager knew what the show was, and I think her 1:00:35.560 --> 1:00:37.960 manager was like, this is like a hoop show, like 1:00:38.000 --> 1:00:39.640 you should kind of do it. And it worked out 1:00:39.640 --> 1:00:41.280 with her schedule like she like, I think she had 1:00:41.320 --> 1:00:43.520 like a little bit of a break and they came 1:00:43.560 --> 1:00:45.920 back like real fast. But I swear because Molina always 1:00:45.920 --> 1:00:48.280 shoots for the Malina Masucus that Amazon maliam Suus, who 1:00:48.360 --> 1:00:51.840 who directed the episode. But Malina always shoots for the 1:00:51.880 --> 1:00:54.120 stars because she's just like why not, who gives a fuck? 1:00:54.160 --> 1:00:55.919 Come on? Because she was kicking to with Swanta Beance 1:00:56.000 --> 1:00:58.080 all the time and I was, but I was just 1:00:58.120 --> 1:01:00.200 like Malina. I was like, Angel don't know with the 1:01:00.200 --> 1:01:01.360 show and she don't know who we are. I'm like, 1:01:01.400 --> 1:01:03.520 this is fucking nuts. Butlina was like, just let me 1:01:03.720 --> 1:01:05.160 just you know, just let me ask. I was like, 1:01:05.160 --> 1:01:07.000 all right, but then they came back like like they 1:01:07.000 --> 1:01:09.600 were like, it's looking good, like Angela's ready and nothing that. 1:01:09.880 --> 1:01:11.760 But then once Angela came on, and then when she 1:01:12.080 --> 1:01:14.000 then he's called me, He's like, we always call her 1:01:14.040 --> 1:01:18.000 Katherine Jackson because we're obsessed with Jackson five America. He's 1:01:18.000 --> 1:01:20.720 like Catherine, like but like, seriously, if people knew like 1:01:20.840 --> 1:01:22.800 me and sent each other gifts of the Jackson of 1:01:22.840 --> 1:01:28.720 American dream all the time, so. 1:01:28.320 --> 1:01:29.480 And I don't even know nothing. 1:01:30.360 --> 1:01:36.720 We're obsessed with it and go to be what are 1:01:36.720 --> 1:01:37.560 you gonna do? Beat him? 1:01:37.600 --> 1:01:48.440 Give me some so many times like ten years and 1:01:48.480 --> 1:01:49.600 the Temptations movie. 1:01:49.640 --> 1:01:52.160 I know you cut you cut your mane out of 1:01:52.160 --> 1:01:53.040 this group, it will kill him. 1:01:55.040 --> 1:01:58.480 A random casting question, Eric, ericamer let's talk about it. 1:01:58.520 --> 1:01:59.840 I left very charming girl about it? 1:02:00.080 --> 1:02:01.360 Super charming. That was awesome. 1:02:01.400 --> 1:02:05.400 She realized she was Was she on the ke? I 1:02:05.440 --> 1:02:06.200 think she was? 1:02:06.360 --> 1:02:06.600 Yeah? 1:02:06.640 --> 1:02:08.800 I mean, and here's the thing, we knew whoever it was. 1:02:08.840 --> 1:02:10.160 We were like, we have to have the and also 1:02:10.160 --> 1:02:12.000 it's Lucy based on a real girl I dated. Don't 1:02:12.320 --> 1:02:17.120 judge me, but but so we we put that in 1:02:17.280 --> 1:02:19.240 and and Malina was like, oh, I think we should 1:02:19.240 --> 1:02:21.280 get Erica Mena and I'm not great about the love 1:02:21.280 --> 1:02:23.000 and hip hop, so I don't really watch those shows. 1:02:23.040 --> 1:02:26.480 So I was like what and then and but Malina 1:02:26.560 --> 1:02:28.600 was like no, but I like Malina had auditioned her 1:02:28.640 --> 1:02:30.200 and she told me, like, Lena, I think she'll be great, 1:02:30.240 --> 1:02:32.440 because it was like, we need somebody fun who can 1:02:32.440 --> 1:02:35.240 play and look, you're coming into it's nerve wreck. I 1:02:35.280 --> 1:02:37.240 mean it's a Netflix show, like you got a zesus ass, 1:02:37.240 --> 1:02:39.120 you got as the Basket. There's a lot going on, 1:02:39.200 --> 1:02:41.040 so we needed somebody that could really handle it. And 1:02:41.160 --> 1:02:42.960 Erica was so happy to be there. And I remember 1:02:43.000 --> 1:02:44.880 her being like all the haters gonna be like I'm here, 1:02:44.960 --> 1:02:47.360 we have the Netflix Lena, and I'm going like who 1:02:47.480 --> 1:02:50.920 the haters? What's going on? So I'm like, so Belina's like, Lida, 1:02:50.920 --> 1:02:51.560 you don't know nothing. 1:02:51.560 --> 1:02:51.760 I was. 1:02:51.840 --> 1:02:54.400 I was like, what's up? Like she's a pretty girl, nice, 1:02:54.400 --> 1:02:57.200 sweet girl. But Erica was like so happy, like she's 1:02:57.240 --> 1:02:59.040 like and she was all cuddled up. It's like, Lida, 1:02:59.080 --> 1:03:00.400 what do you do? I was like, no, I got 1:03:00.480 --> 1:03:01.280 the buddy, I got a girl. 1:03:01.600 --> 1:03:05.720 But she's very sweet. Seeing her on great, she is great. 1:03:05.720 --> 1:03:07.240 And then I kind of after the fact, I'm like, oh, 1:03:07.280 --> 1:03:08.959 she's like this girl like on the show, like people 1:03:09.040 --> 1:03:10.680 like follow her, they know how that she did it? 1:03:10.720 --> 1:03:12.120 Bow wow. For a second, I was like, I need 1:03:12.120 --> 1:03:13.360 to do my research. 1:03:14.000 --> 1:03:14.240 You know what. 1:03:15.240 --> 1:03:18.200 When it came on and watching all the all the 1:03:18.200 --> 1:03:22.240 Thanksgiving table, all I could think about was, I wonder 1:03:22.680 --> 1:03:27.080 if these people know what this is right now? That 1:03:27.640 --> 1:03:31.240 the fact that and again I was wondering, does Angela 1:03:31.400 --> 1:03:33.520 know like how masterful masters? 1:03:34.280 --> 1:03:38.040 And does does she does know? 1:03:38.240 --> 1:03:41.120 Or do you Like I just felt that all of 1:03:41.160 --> 1:03:44.120 these great characters were at this table and only a 1:03:44.280 --> 1:03:48.360 these knew what he was cooking up, like bringing these 1:03:48.400 --> 1:03:50.640 people together that I. 1:03:50.600 --> 1:03:52.640 Knew because it was really me and Malina that really 1:03:52.640 --> 1:03:54.240 buy body together, you know, is these was kind of 1:03:54.240 --> 1:03:56.520 almost like, you know, he was sort of letting us 1:03:56.600 --> 1:03:59.320 like do our thing, Like he would leave the set 1:03:59.360 --> 1:04:01.560 for time, like you know, he would be in editing 1:04:01.640 --> 1:04:04.280 and Alan would go and I had to convince him 1:04:04.280 --> 1:04:06.680 to getlet Kim Whitley be that my aunt because they're like, well, 1:04:06.680 --> 1:04:08.320 she's not New York based, and we got to pay it. 1:04:08.320 --> 1:04:09.240 I was like, I don't give a fuck. I'm like, 1:04:09.320 --> 1:04:11.360 she's a black female comedian, single mom, she can figure 1:04:11.360 --> 1:04:12.760 out how to get to New York. Sure enough. I 1:04:12.840 --> 1:04:14.520 call Kim, I'm like, can you get here? She was 1:04:14.560 --> 1:04:16.600 like yeah, she was like I'll figure something out. Cut 1:04:16.640 --> 1:04:19.720 to her as books a judging gig on Top Chef Kids. 1:04:19.960 --> 1:04:22.280 So he flew her out and you know, she get 1:04:22.320 --> 1:04:24.360 the show. Like, but me and Malina like we did that. 1:04:25.360 --> 1:04:27.240 Aziz like stood back and kind of let us do 1:04:27.320 --> 1:04:29.800 our thing, you know, And but that is that episode 1:04:29.840 --> 1:04:33.240 to me, every woman, And that's only he's the only 1:04:33.320 --> 1:04:35.360 man on the whole episode. At people don't pick up 1:04:35.360 --> 1:04:37.760 on that right away, but it's like he's the only guy. 1:04:38.160 --> 1:04:40.440 His character little boys or whatever. But it's like, it's 1:04:40.520 --> 1:04:43.120 women of color and that a woman of color, and 1:04:43.120 --> 1:04:44.840 that's what happens when you allow us to do our 1:04:44.880 --> 1:04:45.680 thing and get the fuck. 1:04:45.520 --> 1:04:45.919 Out the way. 1:04:46.080 --> 1:04:48.680 And does he understand too that because for that episode, 1:04:48.720 --> 1:04:51.800 like that episode is my way of introducing older black 1:04:51.840 --> 1:04:54.439 people to Masters of None, right, Like I my mother, 1:04:54.520 --> 1:04:56.360 I was like, Mommy, you're gonna love Masters of None. 1:04:56.400 --> 1:04:59.000 Let me just show you this one episode and then 1:04:59.080 --> 1:05:01.240 and she fell hard. I've probably watched about six or 1:05:01.280 --> 1:05:04.680 seven times since, just like exposing people to the oh 1:05:04.880 --> 1:05:07.800 are you kid? I cried when my god, the scene 1:05:08.240 --> 1:05:11.600 when Lisa come back Lisa, right, that's the final girl friend. 1:05:13.720 --> 1:05:16.560 Uh yeah, Michelle, Michelle the final girlfriend. 1:05:16.640 --> 1:05:18.880 When they had that moment in the kitchen and like 1:05:18.960 --> 1:05:21.600 Angela talks to her and they just and then y'all 1:05:21.600 --> 1:05:23.560 are all wearing these nice like pastel colors. 1:05:23.600 --> 1:05:27.160 You know what I mean. It was department holding us yea, yeah, 1:05:27.200 --> 1:05:29.400 you know I mean. And I never, I never I 1:05:29.440 --> 1:05:30.920 thought like, oh, it was just cool. We got a 1:05:30.920 --> 1:05:32.080 really nice black episode a. 1:05:32.000 --> 1:05:35.280 Master or guys all ship. 1:05:38.200 --> 1:05:38.840 I am. 1:05:42.280 --> 1:05:45.480 That's perfect because I really didn't think like it would 1:05:45.480 --> 1:05:47.040 take on that kind of life. And that's the other 1:05:47.040 --> 1:05:48.720 thing to when you a Netflix show, you don't you 1:05:48.720 --> 1:05:50.480 do have to wait like until it comes out and 1:05:50.520 --> 1:05:52.720 people to tweet about it, but people immediate. But as 1:05:52.760 --> 1:05:54.720 he's always knew because he was like leaning people watching 1:05:54.720 --> 1:05:57.000 this episode they love. He would text me all the 1:05:57.040 --> 1:05:58.840 time because they would do like little screenings and stuff 1:05:58.840 --> 1:06:00.760 and he was like people with things. Give an episode 1:06:00.840 --> 1:06:02.360 and then when the Emmy happened, we just it was 1:06:02.360 --> 1:06:04.200 like icing on the cake because we had so much 1:06:04.240 --> 1:06:06.040 fun doing it. And now Malina I wrote a feature 1:06:06.040 --> 1:06:08.520 that she's going to direct, Like Molina's like my sister 1:06:08.560 --> 1:06:10.240 for the rest of my life. Angela is like such 1:06:10.440 --> 1:06:12.640 a close like she's like family to me now and 1:06:12.680 --> 1:06:14.440 now Kim, I'm doing this show. So it's like really 1:06:14.760 --> 1:06:16.880 spawned these different things that you know, from that one 1:06:16.920 --> 1:06:17.880 episode of television. 1:06:17.920 --> 1:06:23.120 Okay, am I allowed to ask what season three? 1:06:23.480 --> 1:06:25.920 You're allowed to ask? I don't know the answer, you know, 1:06:26.960 --> 1:06:30.720 you know, and it's you know, look, I mean it's tough, 1:06:30.800 --> 1:06:32.400 you know, with everything that's going on in the world, 1:06:32.480 --> 1:06:34.240 and look, I'm a I'm a big part of you know, 1:06:34.360 --> 1:06:38.240 Time's up, and you know, I'm very much, you know, 1:06:38.880 --> 1:06:40.919 an advocate of the me too campaign. I think people 1:06:40.920 --> 1:06:43.320 should be pipping up. I know it is. He's you know, 1:06:43.920 --> 1:06:47.280 he was touched by it, and uh, it was not 1:06:47.880 --> 1:06:53.360 easy for for me during that time because it's like 1:06:53.440 --> 1:06:56.480 I can't just be oh rah rah, I'm a part 1:06:56.480 --> 1:06:58.600 of this movement, fuck everything else. Like this is someone 1:06:58.640 --> 1:07:01.280 who I'm known from all the time. You know. It's like, 1:07:01.480 --> 1:07:04.480 you know, he really saw something in me at a 1:07:04.480 --> 1:07:06.360 time where I didn't even think like I would have 1:07:06.400 --> 1:07:08.880 this kind of career. He really introduced people to me 1:07:08.960 --> 1:07:11.920 in a way so it's like, you know, I and 1:07:12.240 --> 1:07:14.640 he's just like my he's my friend. You know, I 1:07:14.640 --> 1:07:16.720 can't just turn my back. I'm not that bitch. And 1:07:16.800 --> 1:07:19.280 so I really kind of got a real front row 1:07:19.280 --> 1:07:21.800 seat to what this means. And so for me, it 1:07:21.880 --> 1:07:23.320 was about people like, well, who side are you on? 1:07:23.360 --> 1:07:25.200 I'm like, well, that's the thing. There aren't any sides. 1:07:25.280 --> 1:07:28.040 I feel like in this particular situation, Harvey Weinstein, there's 1:07:28.040 --> 1:07:32.880 a side kept spacey, there's a side story, you know, 1:07:32.960 --> 1:07:35.760 and look, you know, I a long conversation with him. 1:07:35.880 --> 1:07:39.600 I read everything, and I'm just like, I think there's 1:07:39.640 --> 1:07:41.600 a lot of shades of great here. I think a 1:07:41.640 --> 1:07:44.560 lot of people have been in those scenarios, whether you've 1:07:44.560 --> 1:07:46.400 been the guy or the girl. And I think what 1:07:46.520 --> 1:07:49.480 I got from it was more about us is having 1:07:49.480 --> 1:07:51.640 to re educate ourselves about what consent looks like, what 1:07:51.680 --> 1:07:54.280 it feels like, what it sounds like. And I think 1:07:54.360 --> 1:07:56.200 that just means it's not gonna be fun for everybody. 1:07:56.360 --> 1:07:57.640 But I think that's something we just kind of have 1:07:57.640 --> 1:07:59.600 to do. We have to really make sure it also 1:07:59.640 --> 1:08:01.960 just make sure we're being in tune with the person 1:08:02.320 --> 1:08:04.400 that we're kicking it with and making sure we're paying attention. 1:08:04.640 --> 1:08:06.960 They say they're cool, maybe ask again. 1:08:06.760 --> 1:08:08.240 About to say, Leana, you better watch. 1:08:08.080 --> 1:08:10.360 Out too, watch out for I'm engaged. 1:08:11.080 --> 1:08:14.040 But it was life before her though, I'm just saying like, no. 1:08:13.920 --> 1:08:16.640 I'm good. I mean, like, you know, but no, but 1:08:16.680 --> 1:08:18.479 also too. But I'm just I'm a different kind of chick. 1:08:18.520 --> 1:08:21.200 I'm very I'm hyper aware, you know what I'm saying 1:08:21.200 --> 1:08:22.800 of Like I'm not saying that's because I'm a woman, 1:08:22.840 --> 1:08:24.960 but I just I think in terms of you know, 1:08:25.200 --> 1:08:26.680 that's just how I get down. But I think if 1:08:26.680 --> 1:08:29.760 you're a comedian who's maybe not always great about paying 1:08:29.840 --> 1:08:31.679 super close atten, you know, I don't know if that's 1:08:31.800 --> 1:08:33.880 but it doesn't necessarily make you a bad person. So 1:08:34.160 --> 1:08:36.800 it's just really she got really complicated, and that was 1:08:36.800 --> 1:08:38.840 the one story I saw that people were like, I 1:08:38.840 --> 1:08:42.120 don't really know where I fall and this too, so 1:08:42.640 --> 1:08:44.280 you know, but I'm happy that us opening up a 1:08:44.280 --> 1:08:46.519 dialogue and happy that people are talking because that's I 1:08:46.520 --> 1:08:48.639 think the issue that motherfuckers don't talk to each other. 1:08:49.160 --> 1:08:51.600 Well, still breaking for me is is she kicks you 1:08:51.640 --> 1:08:53.240 out a big because you can't eat cookies. 1:08:56.720 --> 1:08:59.479 My fiance don't allow She's like, she won't even let 1:08:59.560 --> 1:09:02.120 me eat on a couch. She's like, no, that's what 1:09:02.160 --> 1:09:04.599 the kitchen counter is for, and that's what we take 1:09:04.600 --> 1:09:08.200 the shoes off when you come in the house. Listens 1:09:08.240 --> 1:09:08.759 out there. 1:09:10.400 --> 1:09:12.360 There, we go to our listeners out there. 1:09:12.360 --> 1:09:15.479 We had a pre conversation for the tape started, which 1:09:15.560 --> 1:09:20.600 I sort of complained bitterly that sort of Yeah, my 1:09:20.600 --> 1:09:23.720 my new and last current whatever. 1:09:23.479 --> 1:09:24.640 You better say last. I love it. 1:09:28.120 --> 1:09:28.599 Best thing ever. 1:09:28.640 --> 1:09:35.439 Did let me eat in my bed, which is a 1:09:35.560 --> 1:09:36.240 great thing. 1:09:36.840 --> 1:09:43.799 Problem you call your bad Wait Lea right now, Wait 1:09:45.120 --> 1:09:48.320 everybody listen Leana, right now, would you just say your bit? 1:09:51.400 --> 1:09:52.160 You get there yet? 1:09:52.160 --> 1:09:55.200 Hold on you you need to explain the whole I've 1:09:55.200 --> 1:09:58.439 been on tour my whole life, and I'm used to for. 1:09:58.560 --> 1:10:02.479 Me, I'm a hotel guy. I've been on to the 1:10:02.560 --> 1:10:05.000 last twenty years of my life hotel beds, so kind 1:10:05.000 --> 1:10:05.479 of yeah. 1:10:05.920 --> 1:10:08.000 Even before this bed I got, all my beds were 1:10:08.000 --> 1:10:11.160 from the w hotel, Like I love hotel life. 1:10:11.479 --> 1:10:16.320 Yeah, specials to clean up and that hotel they coming 1:10:16.320 --> 1:10:16.840 in right after. 1:10:16.880 --> 1:10:19.120 I'm not messy Man's tennis. 1:10:20.360 --> 1:10:25.120 You gonna get some some too, because I'll smoke put 1:10:25.120 --> 1:10:27.160 on you know all about Eve and want to be 1:10:27.280 --> 1:10:30.519 washing in the bed, but my lady is the only 1:10:30.560 --> 1:10:38.800 I can only do that when I just yeah. 1:10:37.680 --> 1:10:38.479 I'm sorry, I just go. 1:10:40.040 --> 1:10:45.200 Into it the bos one of the two. If it's 1:10:45.240 --> 1:10:45.719 at night. 1:10:47.280 --> 1:11:00.800 Yeah, yeah, we Steve, I'm like Steve the show right now, 1:11:01.600 --> 1:11:02.200 what's happening? 1:11:02.920 --> 1:11:05.040 Everyone agrees here that you shouldn't eat in bed. I 1:11:05.080 --> 1:11:08.280 mean it's a little dangerous dog because yeah, do you 1:11:08.280 --> 1:11:10.080 smoking bed? Smoking bed? 1:11:10.240 --> 1:11:13.160 Do you smoking bed? You would rather die? 1:11:13.840 --> 1:11:17.000 Drums and shipping in the bed. We got the vape, 1:11:17.880 --> 1:11:18.720 I do vapor bed. 1:11:19.320 --> 1:11:21.519 I'm trying to get vapors. 1:11:22.200 --> 1:11:25.639 I mean yeah, but there's no that doesn't count as. 1:11:27.240 --> 1:11:28.519 That's what's so great about it. 1:11:30.960 --> 1:11:32.920 Eating bed alone. Man, we're too old for that ship. 1:11:37.240 --> 1:11:39.760 Can I ask a randomly in the question, since you 1:11:39.840 --> 1:11:41.920 want Justin working on something else, does that mean that 1:11:41.920 --> 1:11:43.360 it's a wrap for Dear White People? 1:11:43.479 --> 1:11:44.120 Season two? 1:11:44.680 --> 1:11:46.800 No, Season two was coming. Season two was done. That's 1:11:46.800 --> 1:11:48.879 in the can, that'll be out in the summer. 1:11:49.439 --> 1:11:50.880 Uh, I'm back to eating. 1:11:55.479 --> 1:11:57.280 I mean, I don't know. Justin may go through some movies, 1:11:57.760 --> 1:12:00.320 but Dear White Peoples never did. Dear White People always 1:12:00.320 --> 1:12:04.519 Gonna live forever. We always you always got reasons to 1:12:04.520 --> 1:12:07.400 say dear white people. Always when we think we don't, 1:12:08.080 --> 1:12:12.400 it always comes back hidden fences remind us of that we. 1:12:12.280 --> 1:12:19.479 Were like hidden. So, uh, explain before we wrap? We 1:12:19.520 --> 1:12:20.479 do want to go? When does? 1:12:20.680 --> 1:12:25.000 The Spielbirg movie March twenty ninth title is Ready Player Ready. 1:12:24.720 --> 1:12:27.240 Player one, which is based on the bestselling novel by 1:12:27.320 --> 1:12:31.040 Ernie Klein. Uh Steven Spielberg. Here's a drink. We we 1:12:31.040 --> 1:12:32.960 We showed it to an audience for the first time 1:12:33.000 --> 1:12:33.679 at south. 1:12:33.439 --> 1:12:35.280 By, and I tried to get into that show. 1:12:36.000 --> 1:12:38.800 So I wish, like somebody would have, I would have 1:12:38.800 --> 1:12:40.360 tried to, like figure it out this one. 1:12:41.960 --> 1:12:45.479 Don't do that, don't do that, don't do that, don't 1:12:45.479 --> 1:12:46.000 do it. 1:12:46.000 --> 1:12:46.720 It's already done. 1:12:47.760 --> 1:12:50.719 On the plane Chicken ship to say hello, what Yeah, 1:12:51.040 --> 1:12:55.960 she was like some weird stalkers, like what happened the question? 1:12:56.080 --> 1:12:59.120 I have told you? Like, I'm like the most real motherfucker. 1:12:58.760 --> 1:13:01.040 You know, told me you were cool and ship. It 1:13:01.080 --> 1:13:01.960 wasn't about that leaning. 1:13:02.400 --> 1:13:04.600 Sometimes there are like five people in this world that 1:13:04.640 --> 1:13:07.040 I'm real fans of their work and their art, and 1:13:07.080 --> 1:13:09.080 so sometimes it's hard for me to like approach. 1:13:09.160 --> 1:13:13.400 You know what I mean, say hi, but I'm ware 1:13:13.439 --> 1:13:16.280 we're talking now, but you could tell you and you. 1:13:16.240 --> 1:13:18.439 Know, I'll see you in a couple I see you 1:13:18.439 --> 1:13:18.840 next week. 1:13:19.640 --> 1:13:20.840 You would have been like, yo, I'm right on this 1:13:21.160 --> 1:13:21.400 on this. 1:13:22.920 --> 1:13:23.240 Story. 1:13:23.320 --> 1:13:25.320 I saw you in the eatery before we bought it, 1:13:25.360 --> 1:13:29.240 and then I saw you sitting down and first getting. 1:13:31.680 --> 1:13:34.000 You see what he's sitting in first class. The whole 1:13:34.000 --> 1:13:37.720 walk is awkward, like figure something out. It's like I 1:13:37.760 --> 1:13:39.559 feel bad. I feel like a lot of people out 1:13:39.600 --> 1:13:41.120 there feel bad because we're like we want you to 1:13:41.160 --> 1:13:42.880 have the TV and able to charge your phone as well. 1:13:42.880 --> 1:13:46.639 I'm going to use your bathroom. Don't tell me I'm coming. 1:13:46.720 --> 1:13:51.799 That's why. Like, so, then you don't know who I want. 1:13:51.640 --> 1:13:55.759 To be on first I can gloat and everyone awkward. 1:13:55.800 --> 1:13:57.600 Wait, wait, look at the poverty. 1:14:01.240 --> 1:14:01.360 Right. 1:14:01.800 --> 1:14:05.439 So you remember, uh, when Bone Thugs and Harmony did 1:14:05.479 --> 1:14:08.639 the MTV Awards with the Horses the night the Horses 1:14:08.960 --> 1:14:14.479 Empty Awards, they did cross Roads Across So we were 1:14:14.560 --> 1:14:19.519 that night with the Michael Jackson kiss with. So I 1:14:19.640 --> 1:14:25.280 was on an airplane at JFK and like I had 1:14:25.320 --> 1:14:28.240 that moment with Bone Thugs and Harmony it was like 1:14:28.840 --> 1:14:32.560 you peasant, you and we like we went to the 1:14:32.560 --> 1:14:36.759 coach section. We felt all bad about ourselves. Uncle Charles 1:14:36.760 --> 1:14:40.160 all the one, just like sitting first. 1:14:43.160 --> 1:14:45.960 That moment when the first class like damn. 1:14:46.280 --> 1:14:51.200 But it was just like you economy, like we were 1:14:51.280 --> 1:14:54.040 peers and stuff, and you know we were no no, no, 1:14:54.360 --> 1:14:56.479 Like the security guard was like no, no, not not not 1:14:56.640 --> 1:14:57.040 right now. 1:14:57.720 --> 1:15:01.600 Damn. So it was. 1:15:01.600 --> 1:15:05.639 Like yeah, so always we were sitting in the back, 1:15:05.720 --> 1:15:08.559 like watch, one day we're gonna ride first class. We're 1:15:08.560 --> 1:15:11.120 gonna look down everyone when they walked past us. So 1:15:11.240 --> 1:15:13.719 to this day, we always make sure we pre board 1:15:13.840 --> 1:15:15.559 with the handicapped people to make sure that we. 1:15:19.720 --> 1:15:20.160 Got better. 1:15:21.680 --> 1:15:24.200 Well, I appreciate those sunglasses that you was wearing to 1:15:24.240 --> 1:15:26.920 make yourself feel like you wasn't really there, but we saw. 1:15:29.640 --> 1:15:29.880 First. 1:15:30.280 --> 1:15:32.320 I do some classes because like I might have been 1:15:32.360 --> 1:15:36.559 like a little sleepy little time sometimes like trying to 1:15:36.760 --> 1:15:39.160 you know, on the planes and one. 1:15:42.080 --> 1:15:42.840 Going to sleep. That's what. 1:15:43.240 --> 1:15:45.080 Yeah, I just I don't be wanting this too much. 1:15:45.120 --> 1:15:48.680 Light people that have their you know, when I was 1:15:48.680 --> 1:15:51.679 a kid, thing open up. Yeah, man, I was sitting 1:15:51.680 --> 1:15:53.880 in front of a kid. I was like this kid, 1:15:54.040 --> 1:15:57.160 yeah you just seen the sun before. 1:15:58.439 --> 1:16:00.760 I needed to shake down, put the blanket over my head. 1:16:00.760 --> 1:16:02.639 I just be like, Johnason out, you're. 1:16:02.479 --> 1:16:05.800 One of those people, like I don't know if I 1:16:05.840 --> 1:16:08.599 trust that with You know, on a plane, on. 1:16:08.560 --> 1:16:10.200 A plane like that, do a lot of white people 1:16:10.200 --> 1:16:12.120 recognize you? How does that work? I was thinking that too. 1:16:12.160 --> 1:16:13.559 I was like, do you get them? 1:16:14.400 --> 1:16:16.960 I mean, it's always we I don't know, it's like people, well, yes, 1:16:17.040 --> 1:16:19.479 a lot of white people for sure. Watch Master of None, 1:16:19.560 --> 1:16:22.519 so like, you know, uh so they but it's weird. 1:16:22.560 --> 1:16:24.519 But I sometimes you just see them. They they look, 1:16:24.600 --> 1:16:26.240 they acknowledge, and they go, oh, yeah, it's a girl. 1:16:26.280 --> 1:16:28.280 Sometimes they say hi. Sometimes they won't, but it's all good. 1:16:28.280 --> 1:16:30.120 Sometimes they'll come up this white story. 1:16:30.320 --> 1:16:32.120 The other was my man's name was on the flight 1:16:32.160 --> 1:16:33.759 with you from Hamilton. I know I should. 1:16:35.160 --> 1:16:35.320 So. 1:16:35.360 --> 1:16:37.120 The guy that sat beside me on the flight was like, 1:16:37.160 --> 1:16:38.720 oh my god, did you see dib just sitting in 1:16:38.720 --> 1:16:39.200 the first class? 1:16:39.200 --> 1:16:39.880 But blah blah blah. 1:16:39.960 --> 1:16:41.240 I was like, did you see the lean a wait 1:16:41.240 --> 1:16:42.439 to sit in the first class? He was like, who's 1:16:42.439 --> 1:16:43.639 I was like, oh my gosh, she's the first black 1:16:43.640 --> 1:16:48.720 woman that I didn't. 1:16:51.479 --> 1:16:59.920 Oh ship you were. 1:17:00.120 --> 1:17:01.680 I mean even I said, was I don't know that. 1:17:01.760 --> 1:17:03.439 I was like, what brother, figure out when you. 1:17:03.479 --> 1:17:06.880 Were talking about the Rady player one premiere and I 1:17:06.960 --> 1:17:08.360 want to hear like your sir, because I had a 1:17:08.360 --> 1:17:09.840 friend that was there and she told me about like 1:17:09.880 --> 1:17:10.400 the sign. 1:17:10.280 --> 1:17:14.120 So speakers, we blew the speakers. It was like, it's 1:17:14.160 --> 1:17:17.720 like it's a very like big freaking movie. It's like 1:17:17.760 --> 1:17:20.519 a blockbuster movie, that's what it is. And so Spielberg, 1:17:20.560 --> 1:17:22.559 he fucking went in and it's like, so the speakers 1:17:22.560 --> 1:17:24.920 blew and a great The good news was everybody was 1:17:24.920 --> 1:17:27.000 so captivated that when the speakers of the sound went out, 1:17:27.040 --> 1:17:29.640 motherfuckers like lost that shit. They're like no, because a 1:17:29.720 --> 1:17:32.240 very critical point. And then we tried it again the 1:17:32.280 --> 1:17:34.400 sound still wouldn't play the like, oh my god. Then 1:17:34.439 --> 1:17:36.479 the third time when they played and the sound went through, 1:17:36.520 --> 1:17:38.880 like everybody like there was a I heard little like 1:17:39.120 --> 1:17:41.040 standing ovation because they were ready to see how the 1:17:41.080 --> 1:17:43.599 movie ended. But they it was just a phenomenal experience 1:17:43.640 --> 1:17:45.360 in the sit in the theater with those people and 1:17:45.400 --> 1:17:47.559 like as excited as they were. And obviously Stephen came 1:17:47.600 --> 1:17:50.240 out and surprised everybody, but it was just a phenomenal, 1:17:50.240 --> 1:17:51.000 phenomenal energy. 1:17:51.040 --> 1:17:52.080 Is that your first time watching it? 1:17:52.280 --> 1:17:53.920 That was my second time watching, but my second time 1:17:53.920 --> 1:17:55.240 watching it with the art it felt like the first 1:17:55.240 --> 1:17:57.200 time because first time you watched it you were at 1:17:57.200 --> 1:17:59.320 the Warner Brothers lot, Like there's like exacts and stuff, 1:17:59.360 --> 1:18:02.160 so it's like but seeing it with these people, like 1:18:02.320 --> 1:18:03.200 it blew my mind. 1:18:03.320 --> 1:18:05.160 It was out front the ship. 1:18:05.200 --> 1:18:07.320 Well, yeah, because Ernie Klindraw was a Dolorian. You pulled 1:18:07.360 --> 1:18:08.640 up in that motherfucker. 1:18:08.160 --> 1:18:10.000 And working with Steven Spielberg is like. 1:18:11.640 --> 1:18:12.160 Heaven on her. 1:18:12.200 --> 1:18:15.519 Did you nerd out over the Delaurian or just over 1:18:16.000 --> 1:18:17.160 working with Steven Spielberg. 1:18:17.400 --> 1:18:20.439 Well, here's the thing, you gotta play it cool. It's fine. 1:18:21.080 --> 1:18:21.880 Have you ever nerd it? 1:18:21.880 --> 1:18:26.040 Because I imagine that you play cooler than thou with 1:18:26.200 --> 1:18:27.439 any situation that you're in. 1:18:27.600 --> 1:18:29.320 Yes, and that gets you in the rooms better than 1:18:29.520 --> 1:18:32.519 nerding that. But have you ever just lost your ship 1:18:32.600 --> 1:18:33.599 over someone that you met? 1:18:33.640 --> 1:18:36.000 Like, you know, I kind of did a little bit 1:18:36.040 --> 1:18:38.400 with Hollie when I like, you know, it's funny because 1:18:38.400 --> 1:18:39.840 I had met her a couple of times, but like 1:18:40.280 --> 1:18:42.719 we were well, it's weird because she at that point 1:18:42.800 --> 1:18:44.639 she knew me and she's like, ohlean, this is my friend. 1:18:44.880 --> 1:18:46.600 I was like, what's uping It was Oscar night and 1:18:46.640 --> 1:18:48.280 we were at the Vanity Fair party. It was like 1:18:48.320 --> 1:18:50.720 the Oscars had happened. Was after party, and I just 1:18:50.760 --> 1:18:52.519 I just have to tell her. I was like, your 1:18:52.680 --> 1:18:56.760 Oscar speech like really made me feel like I could 1:18:56.800 --> 1:18:58.840 do anything. And I was like, so for me to 1:18:58.920 --> 1:19:02.479 be a first on the Emmy stage, just I just 1:19:02.520 --> 1:19:03.880 couldn't help but think of you, and I wanted to 1:19:03.920 --> 1:19:06.120 be as eloquent in my sweet as you were in yours, 1:19:06.320 --> 1:19:09.280 and that to me was like it was And then 1:19:09.320 --> 1:19:12.120 I just started saying like, yo, man, I own losing 1:19:12.160 --> 1:19:13.120 Isaiah on DVD. 1:19:15.160 --> 1:19:17.240 Just so you know. 1:19:17.800 --> 1:19:21.639 I remember watching Alex Haley's Queen. She was so good 1:19:21.800 --> 1:19:23.200 and I said, I said, I still can't believe you 1:19:23.240 --> 1:19:27.160 played the second field of Robin Gibbons and Boomerang and 1:19:27.240 --> 1:19:29.519 she was just like my fie was like, oh, here 1:19:29.560 --> 1:19:31.720 we go, like he just started coming out. I was 1:19:31.760 --> 1:19:34.599 just like, bitch, you mean something to us, like you icon. 1:19:35.120 --> 1:19:39.360 She was like really, I was like yes, Like no, 1:19:39.479 --> 1:19:43.639 I think sometimes she's like what's up? No, thank you, 1:19:44.840 --> 1:19:46.800 she don't like She's like like I don't know what 1:19:46.880 --> 1:19:47.040 was it. 1:19:47.200 --> 1:19:49.960 I was like, Yo, Hallie A big deal. 1:19:51.479 --> 1:19:55.479 Yeah, I just think like your ass home. I was like, yo, 1:19:55.520 --> 1:19:57.720 how you mean a lot to us? And I was 1:19:57.760 --> 1:20:00.320 like you should always know that. She's like I see that. 1:20:00.360 --> 1:20:02.040 It's like thank you, but you could tell like she 1:20:02.120 --> 1:20:04.240 really was like, oh okay, like I appreciate that, but 1:20:04.280 --> 1:20:06.519 like she's still like she's dope and she has she's 1:20:06.680 --> 1:20:08.680 really had a really great career, continues to have a 1:20:08.720 --> 1:20:10.840 really dope career. But she's just amazing. She's amazing. So 1:20:10.840 --> 1:20:12.240 I geeked out. I geeked out on her. 1:20:12.400 --> 1:20:13.840 I said the same thing to Summer. 1:20:14.439 --> 1:20:17.400 You know, I would geek out over Kree too, and 1:20:17.439 --> 1:20:19.599 I've met her like we've been at like nac BM, 1:20:19.600 --> 1:20:21.640 MAJE wors together whatever. But if I had an opportunity, 1:20:21.640 --> 1:20:24.120 I was like, yo, Cree, Yo, I had that crush 1:20:24.160 --> 1:20:28.640 when you got with Ron, like the depressed. 1:20:28.960 --> 1:20:30.960 That was an odd storyline. We talked about that. She 1:20:31.040 --> 1:20:32.000 was like she was odd. 1:20:32.040 --> 1:20:33.439 I don't I. 1:20:34.920 --> 1:20:37.639 Didn't, I did, I did. I didn't know. She went 1:20:37.680 --> 1:20:39.160 straight into a lawyer and then it. 1:20:39.240 --> 1:20:41.320 Was yo, I want to talk to you about but 1:20:41.360 --> 1:20:43.639 here's here's a realty. I think it actually made sense 1:20:43.640 --> 1:20:45.680 because it's kind of like that's how it is, this 1:20:45.720 --> 1:20:47.559 person that can't you kind of can't stand and get 1:20:47.600 --> 1:20:49.599 on your nerves. But also it made it's like they 1:20:49.640 --> 1:20:51.840 were very different people when they were in college and 1:20:51.840 --> 1:20:54.040 they didn't get together until after they both like graduated. 1:20:54.120 --> 1:20:56.439 I fucked although her and Shaza were lit her and 1:20:56.479 --> 1:20:59.559 Shaza but also her, I made. It was so made 1:20:59.600 --> 1:21:01.360 so much since like, of course, I mean they look 1:21:01.439 --> 1:21:03.640 like brothers and sister. So with her and Wrong, I 1:21:03.640 --> 1:21:04.599 thought it was kind of hot. 1:21:05.280 --> 1:21:07.280 I didn't get wrong because I don't. I just don't 1:21:07.400 --> 1:21:09.080 believe light skin on light skin love works. 1:21:09.200 --> 1:21:10.120 That's right, Like I. 1:21:10.120 --> 1:21:12.360 Just great theory. 1:21:12.680 --> 1:21:14.880 I didn't like him and Kim. Him and Kim didn't 1:21:14.880 --> 1:21:18.559 work at all like him, and you can tell that 1:21:18.320 --> 1:21:19.760 they that the writers were like this. 1:21:22.479 --> 1:21:25.040 I think it was. 1:21:26.760 --> 1:21:29.280 You know, Kim had lost all episode when she revealed 1:21:29.280 --> 1:21:31.720 herself and Jemma was. 1:21:31.720 --> 1:21:37.000 Fine, Steve, have you ever watched Different World? 1:21:37.080 --> 1:21:37.120 No? 1:21:37.360 --> 1:21:38.799 No, it's too black and black? 1:21:41.360 --> 1:21:41.720 It is. 1:21:41.920 --> 1:21:44.679 It is really black. It's not as black as Amistard, 1:21:44.800 --> 1:21:47.080 but it's black. It's black. 1:21:47.280 --> 1:21:50.759 Wait is it on the iTunes? What a different world? 1:21:50.880 --> 1:21:56.679 It's I think it's you. You can Okay. 1:21:56.920 --> 1:22:00.920 I watched all my TV and on Classic Classic. 1:22:01.560 --> 1:22:02.439 I watched the shot. 1:22:02.439 --> 1:22:05.600 I watched the first two episodes like I watched I 1:22:05.640 --> 1:22:07.559 think I watched first episodes over over your house when 1:22:07.560 --> 1:22:10.519 we were la and then finally when I knew you 1:22:10.560 --> 1:22:11.880 were coming, I was like, Okay, let me get the 1:22:11.880 --> 1:22:14.439 rest of them down, let me do my homework. You 1:22:14.439 --> 1:22:15.800 know what I'm saying, because I really did like the first 1:22:15.800 --> 1:22:18.200 two and I but then just like shit, So I 1:22:18.240 --> 1:22:20.400 was like one thing, I really like. It was one 1:22:20.760 --> 1:22:22.719 and you have the part of me because I'm terrible 1:22:23.000 --> 1:22:25.120 with character names. I know the actors, but I know 1:22:25.920 --> 1:22:28.120 so one thing that really rang true to me. It 1:22:28.200 --> 1:22:31.200 was the scene where you showed the kid Alex the 1:22:31.240 --> 1:22:36.599 real yeah his uh scene where he's trying to get 1:22:36.640 --> 1:22:39.400 with the girl and he has a crush on the 1:22:39.439 --> 1:22:41.960 girl and so he goes to his sister and his 1:22:42.080 --> 1:22:44.080 sister is like, oh, you gotta respect women, you gotta 1:22:44.120 --> 1:22:46.040 do this and don't just tell her eyes pretty whatever. 1:22:46.479 --> 1:22:49.960 But then you showed another scene where he's riding with 1:22:50.520 --> 1:22:55.559 red and Redge tells him something completely that Shi it was. 1:22:56.320 --> 1:23:00.120 Girl, Yeah, And that like rang so true to me. 1:23:00.280 --> 1:23:02.600 Like as a kid, like as a boy, like you know, 1:23:02.640 --> 1:23:07.360 you'll see your mom might tell you one thing, your 1:23:07.479 --> 1:23:08.840 uncle got all the holes. 1:23:08.880 --> 1:23:09.799 It's like, well. 1:23:13.040 --> 1:23:15.439 Yeah, well yeah. And I think that's what we really 1:23:15.680 --> 1:23:17.679 try to do is just try to like be as 1:23:17.720 --> 1:23:21.439 honest and as authentic as we possibly can and and 1:23:21.520 --> 1:23:23.400 just really show like black life. And I feel like 1:23:23.439 --> 1:23:26.360 that's a part of it. Like dudes, don't they learned 1:23:26.360 --> 1:23:29.000 about how to be with women from other dudes. And 1:23:29.280 --> 1:23:31.120 we feel like Red who was sort of like, you know, 1:23:31.200 --> 1:23:33.200 he's that dude, He's a runner. He out here, you know, 1:23:33.200 --> 1:23:35.479 working with people, and he we feel like, what would 1:23:35.520 --> 1:23:37.320 he say to a car full of three one of 1:23:37.360 --> 1:23:39.000 the ones of the Little Brothers and other boys, and 1:23:39.000 --> 1:23:40.640 we feel like this is what he was us, Like 1:23:40.680 --> 1:23:41.519 he was like. 1:23:41.439 --> 1:23:43.439 Man, these kids are shining. 1:23:43.600 --> 1:23:48.760 Oh those kids are phenomenal and real Chicago boy, you know, 1:23:49.320 --> 1:23:51.759 and just a lot of personality, a lot of swag 1:23:51.920 --> 1:23:54.200 and we and they really we're grateful to them because 1:23:54.320 --> 1:23:55.920 that's when we get to have the levity. But also, 1:23:55.960 --> 1:23:57.400 you know, we deal with the real ship, you know, 1:23:57.439 --> 1:23:59.640 with the character of Jake, who is obviously sort of 1:24:00.280 --> 1:24:03.240 his bigger brother, where we see how the gangsters are born. 1:24:03.400 --> 1:24:05.280 You know a lot of people think like, oh yeah, 1:24:05.280 --> 1:24:06.800 this little black boy is born with like guns in 1:24:06.840 --> 1:24:10.439 their hands. We're like, no, it's it's it's nurture, you know, 1:24:10.520 --> 1:24:12.800 not nature it And I think that's sort of my 1:24:13.360 --> 1:24:15.120 you know, my mission to show and also sometimes you 1:24:15.160 --> 1:24:16.759 can have you can be a part of that environment 1:24:16.840 --> 1:24:19.000 and go the opposite way. Whenever people get all freaked 1:24:19.040 --> 1:24:20.880 out about Chicago, I'm like, I'm a I'm a part 1:24:20.880 --> 1:24:22.880 of Chicago. So it's a chance. So it's common. So 1:24:22.960 --> 1:24:25.120 Jennifer Hudson, you know, so it's like we So it's 1:24:25.160 --> 1:24:27.639 Quincy Jones, you know what I mean. So it's like easy, 1:24:27.720 --> 1:24:30.559 you know, like we That's also what that environment can 1:24:30.680 --> 1:24:31.439 produce as well. 1:24:31.720 --> 1:24:34.960 There was one uh, I'll just a question. I can't 1:24:35.040 --> 1:24:39.640 aget his name, Stephen Uh from swin Jump Street. We 1:24:39.680 --> 1:24:45.240 always just who how did y'all get him? Because he's 1:24:45.280 --> 1:24:48.800 my favorite character. He kills every fucking scene he's I 1:24:49.040 --> 1:24:49.479 love him. 1:24:49.520 --> 1:24:52.200 Well, we kind of really wanted, Like those kind of 1:24:52.200 --> 1:24:54.240 guys used to be around my house. I live with 1:24:54.280 --> 1:24:56.760 my grandmother coming up, so those kind of cats are 1:24:56.760 --> 1:24:58.800 always around my How these old dudes who were like 1:24:58.800 --> 1:25:01.559 you know who you know where of the silk shirts 1:25:01.600 --> 1:25:04.200 and the fedoras and whatever. I think they too cool 1:25:04.240 --> 1:25:05.840 for school. And so I really kind of wanted to 1:25:05.840 --> 1:25:08.640 have that element of Chicago, like that kind of like 1:25:08.680 --> 1:25:12.760 O g like who used to run the streets? Yeah, 1:25:13.360 --> 1:25:16.320 I always know the Pam's rich boyfriend from the episode 1:25:16.320 --> 1:25:23.560 of Martin. You know, he's like the skybo. Yeah, we 1:25:23.960 --> 1:25:34.320 all have street but like, but I was like, we 1:25:34.400 --> 1:25:37.120 gotta have that element of like what Chicago streets used 1:25:37.120 --> 1:25:38.559 to be, Like there was a cold, there was an 1:25:38.600 --> 1:25:40.400 honor because we kept hearing that from a lot of 1:25:40.960 --> 1:25:43.080 We would just talk to like cats of Chicago maybe 1:25:43.120 --> 1:25:44.960 who've been, you know, in the streets or whatever, and 1:25:45.000 --> 1:25:46.960 they were like, there used to be a code and 1:25:47.000 --> 1:25:49.040 like now there isn't and that's a difference. And so 1:25:49.439 --> 1:25:51.320 we kind of want to show that character. And you'll 1:25:51.320 --> 1:25:53.559 see how now if you if you're caught up, you 1:25:53.600 --> 1:25:56.639 know how he's connected to the story. I'm not gonna 1:25:56.640 --> 1:26:00.479 talk about it. But and then the finale is you 1:26:00.680 --> 1:26:04.560 liked him? Like the finale's gonna really be dope that 1:26:05.280 --> 1:26:05.519 I was. 1:26:05.560 --> 1:26:08.160 Going to ask how in the in the age of 1:26:10.120 --> 1:26:13.360 the policy, the political climate we're in now where people 1:26:13.360 --> 1:26:16.639 are so quick to say what about Chicago, like they're 1:26:16.680 --> 1:26:20.439 really concerned about Chicago. I mean, how heavy does that 1:26:20.479 --> 1:26:22.800 weigh on your mind when you're as far as how 1:26:22.880 --> 1:26:25.240 this show is presented to us. Because even for me, 1:26:25.520 --> 1:26:27.960 maybe the first five minutes when I started watching the pilot, 1:26:29.040 --> 1:26:32.599 part of me was like, Okay, I'm waiting for I'm 1:26:32.600 --> 1:26:35.160 waiting for the curtuitist violence. That's just what we know, 1:26:35.400 --> 1:26:35.640 you know. 1:26:36.080 --> 1:26:41.000 And actually, what what were your opinions as a Chicago filmmaker, 1:26:41.880 --> 1:26:44.720 What were your opinions on Shirak? 1:26:45.560 --> 1:26:47.920 Well, I mean, here's the thing. It's like, I feel 1:26:47.920 --> 1:26:49.280 like everybody has a right. 1:26:49.640 --> 1:26:51.240 Spike's been on the show before, so he knows we 1:26:51.280 --> 1:26:51.920 have a beef with it. 1:26:51.960 --> 1:26:54.479 But oh wow, okay, well look, I mean at the 1:26:54.560 --> 1:26:56.560 end of the day, and I'm sure I'm not the 1:26:56.560 --> 1:26:58.360 first person to say this, but I wouldn't be sitting 1:26:58.400 --> 1:26:59.640 here if it warn't a Spike, you know, like I 1:26:59.760 --> 1:27:01.640 watch shit and like, you know, it's like that's this. 1:27:02.160 --> 1:27:04.040 We're all his sons and daughters, whether we like it 1:27:04.120 --> 1:27:06.960 or not. And my thing is, he has a right 1:27:07.000 --> 1:27:10.040 to tell a story about Chicago. The tough thing is 1:27:10.040 --> 1:27:13.200 is like you're gonna get a unique story from him 1:27:13.240 --> 1:27:15.160 because he's not from there. Like if I told a 1:27:15.160 --> 1:27:18.120 story about New York, it may not feel one hundred 1:27:18.120 --> 1:27:20.160 percent like New York because I ain't come up, you know, 1:27:20.320 --> 1:27:22.960 over here. So I think, and I think what he 1:27:23.040 --> 1:27:24.920 was trying to do was just bring attention to what 1:27:25.000 --> 1:27:27.000 was going on. And also he did it through his 1:27:27.120 --> 1:27:29.040 lens and through his vibe and how he gets down. 1:27:29.120 --> 1:27:33.120 So I would never attack the movie. I just think 1:27:33.160 --> 1:27:35.800 for me when I again, mine's not a movie, it's 1:27:35.840 --> 1:27:38.599 a series, but this is Chicago through my lens, And 1:27:38.680 --> 1:27:41.320 I think both are valid. But people can also have 1:27:41.360 --> 1:27:43.120 a right to say I don't fuck with shy Iraq 1:27:43.160 --> 1:27:45.040 and I fuck with the shot. That's their right. Or 1:27:45.080 --> 1:27:46.800 some people may say I don't really fuck with the shot. 1:27:46.840 --> 1:27:49.360 I like sh Iraq more. That's their prerogative. So I 1:27:49.400 --> 1:27:51.679 think ultimately we all have a right to make story, 1:27:51.800 --> 1:27:53.920 to make a movie or a TV show about a 1:27:53.960 --> 1:27:56.840 particular place. I think it's just a matter of you know, 1:27:56.960 --> 1:27:58.840 I want to just my shit. I want to be 1:27:58.960 --> 1:28:02.880 grounded as fuck, real as fuck. That was my mission. 1:28:03.000 --> 1:28:04.800 I was like, how can I make sure? And also 1:28:04.800 --> 1:28:06.360 I think there's ways we could be better about that 1:28:06.400 --> 1:28:09.040 in season two, and that's my mission as well, to 1:28:09.120 --> 1:28:10.920 make it blacker, to make it more authentic, to make 1:28:10.920 --> 1:28:14.479 it more rooted in the city, because that's my goal 1:28:14.640 --> 1:28:18.400 is just to get a really accurate snapshot of the city, 1:28:18.680 --> 1:28:21.439 not a super positive one, not a super violent one, 1:28:21.439 --> 1:28:23.240 because we don't shot away from violence on the show, 1:28:23.240 --> 1:28:25.479 like we we approach it, but. 1:28:25.439 --> 1:28:29.360 It's not super violent. It didn't feel explctated. 1:28:29.920 --> 1:28:31.840 I'm just like, that's not all Chicago is. You know, 1:28:32.080 --> 1:28:35.120 Chicago's also block parties. Chicago's also little kids, you know, 1:28:35.560 --> 1:28:37.519 not crossing certain blocks. That was a big thing for me. 1:28:37.560 --> 1:28:38.840 Like my mom was like, okay, you can't go past 1:28:38.840 --> 1:28:40.320 that street, Like okay, So I want to incorporate that 1:28:40.320 --> 1:28:42.439 into the show. It's full of grandmother's you know, it's 1:28:42.479 --> 1:28:46.760 full of like you know, it's like all little Hall's chicken. 1:28:46.800 --> 1:28:48.519 You know, it's like and you got people. Because this 1:28:48.600 --> 1:28:50.879 was my experience where people who were in the community 1:28:50.920 --> 1:28:53.160 who I wasn't related to, feel very much like my 1:28:53.240 --> 1:28:55.120 family because they saw me come up, they would like 1:28:55.160 --> 1:28:57.240 look out for me. They contribute to my college fund, 1:28:57.439 --> 1:28:58.840 like all that kind of stuff. I think That's the 1:28:58.880 --> 1:29:00.800 thing I really want to get across Chicago is that 1:29:00.960 --> 1:29:03.479 we really are very familiar with very much like a community. 1:29:03.520 --> 1:29:05.640 Anybody ever been in Chicago, Like it feels like a 1:29:05.680 --> 1:29:07.960 small town. And I think the same that people don't 1:29:07.960 --> 1:29:09.160 get when they watch show. 1:29:09.040 --> 1:29:12.439 Where they were in uh where miss Ethel is talking to. 1:29:13.160 --> 1:29:17.000 I can't remember the other the nurse mom his mom 1:29:17.080 --> 1:29:19.840 and she's like, get me my uh my cigarettes. I 1:29:19.960 --> 1:29:20.720 knew what it was. 1:29:20.800 --> 1:29:22.760 I was like, yeah, and she and you know, she 1:29:22.840 --> 1:29:24.559 thought she had some cigarettes, but that was where she 1:29:24.640 --> 1:29:25.600 kept her money. 1:29:25.960 --> 1:29:28.280 That was so my grandmother, you know what I'm saying. 1:29:28.760 --> 1:29:32.200 Not with banks was straight up no. 1:29:32.479 --> 1:29:34.320 And and I think, and that's to me, there's a 1:29:34.400 --> 1:29:36.880 homeliness that I'm trying to bring to the show and 1:29:36.880 --> 1:29:38.639 to show people the city and they just haven't seen 1:29:38.640 --> 1:29:40.519 before it because it's like I'm from there, Like I 1:29:40.560 --> 1:29:42.720 know those people. My mom still lives there, you know, 1:29:42.960 --> 1:29:45.600 My family's sill in Chicago. So I'm always gonna have 1:29:45.600 --> 1:29:47.360 a connection to it in a way that just other 1:29:47.400 --> 1:29:50.479 filmmakers just won't. And that's cool question. 1:29:50.479 --> 1:29:52.800 When are you gonna execut, produce the two one five? 1:29:58.920 --> 1:30:01.479 Look at him speechless welcome back to chat. 1:30:04.880 --> 1:30:07.360 I have enough on my on my plate. I'm still 1:30:07.400 --> 1:30:09.519 trying to exact produce get a piece. 1:30:09.320 --> 1:30:14.840 Of a chat with Sugar so uh, well, you know, 1:30:15.520 --> 1:30:17.360 I do you have anything else? 1:30:17.360 --> 1:30:17.840 I do not. 1:30:18.160 --> 1:30:19.519 She's about two on five. 1:30:20.720 --> 1:30:23.080 Oh no, no, no, I'm good. Okay, thank you for all 1:30:23.120 --> 1:30:23.599 you do is. 1:30:24.560 --> 1:30:26.599 I was about to say that, thank you, Lena. Please 1:30:26.640 --> 1:30:28.240 don't go anywhere. 1:30:27.800 --> 1:30:29.280 I ain't going to where I might back up. You 1:30:29.280 --> 1:30:30.800 may not see my favorite. You always hear my work. 1:30:30.840 --> 1:30:32.120 I just want to hear your voice as long as 1:30:32.120 --> 1:30:33.200 I can hear your voice. 1:30:33.920 --> 1:30:37.679 Coming back on the on the podcasting that keep doing it. 1:30:37.800 --> 1:30:39.960 Well, We thank you very much for coming on the show, 1:30:40.680 --> 1:30:41.080 having me. 1:30:42.760 --> 1:30:46.200 And on behalf of Sugar Steve host of a Chat 1:30:46.200 --> 1:30:48.400 with Sugar Bill. 1:30:50.600 --> 1:30:54.160 At the top, a little bit proprior of no news 1:30:54.200 --> 1:30:54.759 is good news. 1:30:54.880 --> 1:30:58.760 And also it's like yeah, uh and thank you Leana 1:30:58.800 --> 1:30:59.559 for coming on the show. 1:31:00.040 --> 1:31:03.000 This quest love, We will see you or the next 1:31:03.040 --> 1:31:06.559 go round and shout out to Boss Bill. Yeah better boss, 1:31:06.920 --> 1:31:15.840 go to Urgent Ken around, Craig mack Man, all right, 1:31:16.080 --> 1:31:19.599 and the other guy good day okay, Ephen. 1:31:19.360 --> 1:31:25.040 Hawking, Yeah, only on this podcast with crag back back 1:31:25.080 --> 1:31:26.920 and that white dude who knew the sign. 1:31:29.439 --> 1:31:29.919 Simpsons. 1:31:30.000 --> 1:31:31.240 Hey man, you can do that, sience. 1:31:32.000 --> 1:31:38.479 Oh my god, wait, wait time out, Just wait a minute. 1:31:40.360 --> 1:31:43.120 You're Stephen Hawking references from his episode of The Simpsons. 1:31:43.280 --> 1:31:46.120 Wow, I don't I knew who he was before you got. 1:31:45.960 --> 1:31:51.200 A movie black. I love the theory of it. 1:31:51.600 --> 1:31:55.960 Can't even I already shut down my machine. That is 1:31:56.000 --> 1:31:59.519 awesome anyway, all right, yeah, shout outs to Craig mac 1:31:59.600 --> 1:32:04.439 and Steven Hawkin and Matt Dyke, Delictens, Vinyl. 1:32:04.760 --> 1:32:08.320 Absolutely, yeah, so we will. This is the only podcast 1:32:08.360 --> 1:32:09.479 to close off on that. 1:32:12.800 --> 1:32:14.719 It's so lucky you would like shout out the Craig 1:32:14.840 --> 1:32:16.800 Man like no r I P. 1:32:17.920 --> 1:32:20.920 Yes, all right, I feel like boss bield a gangst 1:32:21.040 --> 1:32:22.439 lean by d r s and posts. 1:32:27.920 --> 1:32:29.840 All right, we'll see all the next direct. 1:32:40.200 --> 1:32:42.920 West Love Supreme. It is a production of iHeart Radio. 1:32:43.360 --> 1:32:49.400 This classic episode was produced by the team at Pandora. 1:32:50.479 --> 1:32:53.759 For more podcasts from iHeart Radio, visit the iHeart Radio app, 1:32:53.960 --> 1:32:57.040 Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.