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Speaker 2: Ladies and Gentlemen.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to QLs Classic Episode eighty with Lena Waithe from

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Speaker 1: April twenty eighteen, freshaffirs Emmy victory for writing on the season.

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Speaker 1: Sorry is Awesome, Master of None. We chop it up

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Speaker 1: with Lena Waith about life in Hollywood star now as

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Speaker 10: My name is Lena. Yeah, I'm from the Shy. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yes, gentlemen, welcome to another episode.

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Speaker 1: Of Course of Supreme. I'm your host, Quest Love. This

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Speaker 1: is Pandora. Hello, Team Supreme. Hey chatting with Sugar Yo.

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Speaker 2: Man's got a logo.

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Speaker 7: Man, let's move on. We'll talk about this other time.

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Speaker 1: You made her mark and now you are officially Sugar

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Speaker 1: Steve chat He's the flash of the crew.

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Speaker 2: Now he's it's coming in two weeks.

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Speaker 7: I haven't just don't know what they're talking to have

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Speaker 7: my own talk show.

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Speaker 6: Now, Yes, he has a spin off already all Chat

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Speaker 6: with Sugar.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I still think you should change the title man

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Speaker 2: like Sugar. Not yet.

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Speaker 1: It's already in the history books when sometimes No, you

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Speaker 1: didn't want us call you Sugar Steve when we first

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Speaker 1: started the show, and not to force that title on you.

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Speaker 6: So I mean he's branded now. I like chat. I'm

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Speaker 6: gonna pop in on you one time. I'm I'm gonna

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Speaker 6: Joinmnna said your wife watches.

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Speaker 2: My wife is avid watcher of Chat with Sugar.

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Speaker 9: Number one you already started to change is already.

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Speaker 10: Should have Really he's on the seventeenth really happening.

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Speaker 7: I see you all the time, but you taught me

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Speaker 7: everything I know. I know as a host.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's always the death nail.

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Speaker 10: Whatever someone says you talking, He's like, He's like, that's

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Speaker 10: why I was failing.

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Speaker 2: I was like, Van Door is about to offer me? Yes?

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Speaker 2: Oh God.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, ladies and gentlemen, today, our special guest is an

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Speaker 1: accomplished actress, producers, screenwriter, showrunner, director uh She made history

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Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen as the first Wait, are you tired

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Speaker 1: of people bringing up this fact to wait about you?

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Speaker 2: Like it's a unicorn? Like it is?

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Speaker 10: I mean, yeah, here's the truth, I'd be.

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Speaker 2: The first show that doesn't just be up that factory.

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Speaker 9: Well bring it up.

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Speaker 10: No one will let you not bring it up. That's

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Speaker 10: the thing is I have just own that it's always

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Speaker 10: going to be a part of my life and my career.

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Speaker 10: But I think it's you know, it's a cool thing.

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Speaker 10: It's a really cool thing, you know.

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Speaker 1: But it's also sort of sad that in two thousand

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Speaker 9: People have to be reminded of that sad fact.

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Speaker 10: Yeah. But so it was a dope because I shared

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Speaker 10: with Donald, Like, Donald is the first black person ever

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Speaker 10: like it was nice to make history with him.

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Speaker 2: I did a Halle Denzel before the Emmys.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: I love when we do the interview before I even

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Speaker 1: She made a history in twenty seventeen as the first

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Speaker 1: African American female to win an Emmy for Outstanding Writing

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Speaker 1: on the Comedy Series for the very excellent Thanksgiving episode

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Speaker 1: of one of my favorite shows, Master's Master of None.

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Speaker 1: And you're also the showrunner of the critically acclaimed Shy

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Speaker 11: Is also a big thing for a black woman because

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Speaker 11: it's only like three of y'all.

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Speaker 10: It's true, It's true. It's like me, Shanda Mara, Courtney

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Speaker 10: Camp who created power. A lot of people forget about Courtney,

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Speaker 10: but Courtney's like.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely season waiting. She's shined there and waiting because she's

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Speaker 1: We have an introduced our guest, welcome away to Yeah, yes,

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Speaker 1: happy to be here.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad you're here. Yeah. So that's well.

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Speaker 1: My question was, are you tired of having to bear

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, I don't know if I'm tired of it.

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Speaker 10: I think I'm very proud to be a vessel. That's

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Speaker 10: what I really feel like. It is like, because I

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Speaker 10: know I'm not the first black woman whoever has written

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Speaker 10: So I think the stars are sort of aligned and

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Speaker 10: And the sad part was when we watched the packages

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Speaker 10: No one has followed her since winning for Monsters Ball

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Speaker 10: I think, you know, I think we want to make

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Speaker 1: How can what's the uh, what's the process of even

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Speaker 1: that's often the debate we have. I mean, there's you know,

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Speaker 2: Might be whatever, but it's black.

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Speaker 6: We gotta support it, right, We're gonna get to know

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Speaker 6: and some that bring in the money aren't necessarily the

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Speaker 2: So how can you How is one able to vent

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Speaker 1: Because I always feel, always felt as though the process

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Speaker 1: with Woodstock as an editor? But it's like, what's the

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Speaker 1: what's more notable about you is that, even though you're

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Speaker 7: The scenes work is.

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Speaker 1: Very substantial and that I feel is more important for

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Speaker 10: Well, Look, I mean you bring up a really interesting

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Speaker 10: point because it's a very controversial topic. You know that

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Speaker 10: based on my twenties being a queer black girl living

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Speaker 10: this is based on the G word no no, no,

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Speaker 10: but it's honestly, it's like, it's not based on I'm

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Speaker 2: Right, And so every show.

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Speaker 10: No, not black shows. No, who don't like Atlanta?

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Speaker 2: Those are those are I'm talking like like Tyler period.

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Speaker 9: And public you say into other people?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, cool. Well I don't know if that I don't

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Speaker 10: trip you almost feel like you own if you don't

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Speaker 10: How many white folks you know, it's like, oh yeah,

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Speaker 10: Look here and I own my snobbingess, Like I'm totally

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Speaker 10: At least I got a card in that mofucker.

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Speaker 10: think they pulled it though, thank you about it.

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00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,040
Speaker 9: Is getting to remake everybody's getting but I don't know.

437
00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:55,399
Speaker 10: I mean, I don't know.

438
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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, grow Grown as to me is like a

439
00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:05,680
Speaker 1: more new, watched, friendlier version of Kids WHOA I mean,

440
00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:09,000
Speaker 1: Kids was shocking in ninety five. Yeah, but now that's

441
00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:10,720
Speaker 1: just like, oh, that's that's a Tuesday.

442
00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:15,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

443
00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:19,480
Speaker 1: So Lena, Yeah, what was your beginning in the world

444
00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:21,760
Speaker 1: of acting, Like, how did you how.

445
00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:25,720
Speaker 2: Did you first start? Honestly like production, Well, well, I'll.

446
00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,400
Speaker 10: Talk about the acting. I had no plans on being

447
00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:30,960
Speaker 10: an actor, Like it's I literally give a lot of

448
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,359
Speaker 10: credit one to God because he ordered my steps, but

449
00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,879
Speaker 10: also to these amazing casting directors that looked at me

450
00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:37,920
Speaker 10: and said, bitch, you should be in front of the

451
00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,560
Speaker 10: camera as well. And one of them was Alison Jones,

452
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:42,639
Speaker 10: who was a famed casting director of Google.

453
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Speaker 5: Her.

454
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Speaker 10: I mean, her credits are ridiculous, everything from like she

455
00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,359
Speaker 10: cast Freaks and Geeks, which little shit us you know,

456
00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:49,600
Speaker 10: you know, seth Rogen and James Frank, all these people,

457
00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,439
Speaker 10: and then she also cast like Veep and Bridesmaids, all

458
00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:54,359
Speaker 10: these amazing things. So I heard she wanted to meet

459
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,600
Speaker 10: with me. I didn't know why because I was like,

460
00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:58,640
Speaker 10: I'm not casting anything. But I went and sat down

461
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:00,560
Speaker 10: with her and she asked if I had any interest

462
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,000
Speaker 10: in being an actress. I said no. She's like, okay,

463
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:04,760
Speaker 10: well let me bring you in for some stuff. And

464
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:06,280
Speaker 10: so she did. She brought me in for some things.

465
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,479
Speaker 10: I booked a small part on the Comeback season two,

466
00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,520
Speaker 10: which Lisa Kujo's show on HBO, and then she didn't

467
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 10: even call me in for Master or none like apparently

468
00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,760
Speaker 10: as he's and Allen just said, send us interesting people,

469
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,199
Speaker 10: and by the grace of guy, she said, well, then

470
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,920
Speaker 10: you should meet Lena. I went to Jesus Crib, sat

471
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:24,359
Speaker 10: with him and Allen uh and had it was just

472
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,440
Speaker 10: myself and I got a call then like, hey, does

473
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:28,919
Speaker 10: he just wants you to come read with him? I

474
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,240
Speaker 10: saw the pages and I was my writer he self,

475
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,560
Speaker 10: and I said, Yo, can I punch this up? And

476
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:37,400
Speaker 10: he was like sure, and so I did. And so

477
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:39,959
Speaker 10: I was saying stuff back to him that he obviously

478
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,200
Speaker 10: wasn't prepared for, and he was sort of chuckling and laughing.

479
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,960
Speaker 10: But as he's and I just had an instant like

480
00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 10: vibe and a chemistry because people seriously asked us if

481
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 10: we've been friends for before the show, and we had

482
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,160
Speaker 10: we met, like you know, at his house and talking

483
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 10: and doing these scenes. And then he called me and

484
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:56,879
Speaker 10: he's like, come in New York for a couple of

485
00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:58,560
Speaker 10: months and do this show with me. And I just

486
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,280
Speaker 10: really went off of like the fact that I was

487
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,720
Speaker 10: a fan of his already, his humor, the fact that

488
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,680
Speaker 10: he knows black culture in a very unique way, and

489
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 10: I just loved him on Parks and Wreck and I

490
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 10: literally I had just sold the Shy to Showtime, and

491
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 10: I was like, can y'all give me three months to

492
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,679
Speaker 10: go away do this thing? They were like, okay, sure,

493
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:16,239
Speaker 10: and so I came here. You don't know what you

494
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,439
Speaker 10: have with Netflix. It was early Netflix that we were

495
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 10: like one of like Netflix, like fourth or fifth original show,

496
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:22,639
Speaker 10: So we didn't know what it was gonna be. We

497
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 10: don't have an audience, but we just trusted that what

498
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:26,919
Speaker 10: we were doing with something interesting. It was new, it

499
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 10: was fresh, and people just really responded to it. And

500
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:33,399
Speaker 10: then for the Spielberg joint, Ellen Lewis, another famed casting director,

501
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 10: saw my picture in Hollywood Reporter and was like, why

502
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:37,919
Speaker 10: haven't we seen this girl for this role? And my

503
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 10: agent were like, cause, she's not auditioning for stuff. So

504
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:44,360
Speaker 10: I came in read with them, read again. Thank god,

505
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 10: Spielberg was not out of those auditions, but after the

506
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 10: second one he saw my tape and I was like, yeah,

507
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 10: I want her to be in the movie, and then

508
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:51,480
Speaker 10: I went to London for four months.

509
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:53,639
Speaker 11: So wait, you just said something real big. Before we

510
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 11: saw your face. You had a deal with Showtime.

511
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,440
Speaker 10: They had bought the pilot. Yeah, i' written the pilot

512
00:23:58,440 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 10: and they were like, yeah, we want to make this.

513
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:01,680
Speaker 9: How did it I mean, because.

514
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:05,120
Speaker 2: What was the time between making your pilot? Too?

515
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:05,360
Speaker 11: Well?

516
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 10: I wrote them, Well, here's the deal. We shot the

517
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 10: first pilot and we weren't We weren't super happy with

518
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 10: how it turned out. We thought it was fine, but

519
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 10: we were like they were like I told them, I said,

520
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 10: I need a director that really gets my voice. I

521
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:19,919
Speaker 10: know my voice is unique. I know The Shy is

522
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 10: not the typical formulaic show, so I need somebody that's

523
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 10: not the typical formulage director. And Rick Fomer Youua, became

524
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 10: available and I was like, can he do get a

525
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,119
Speaker 10: swing at it? They were like sure, Like we we

526
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 10: think that would be a great match. We got a

527
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 10: new cast and director. We got Jason Mitchell came in

528
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,160
Speaker 10: and read and Jacob Latimore. All these amazing song your song,

529
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 10: all these amazing people.

530
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 1: And the original pilot is different than what I seen

531
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:40,959
Speaker 1: on the pilot.

532
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:41,400
Speaker 2: For us show.

533
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 10: I mean it's the script is the same, but the

534
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:45,439
Speaker 10: cast is different and the director is different.

535
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Speaker 6: So please, I just want to an back. Can you

536
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 6: send me a copy of the original one.

537
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 10: If I have an original copy of it anymore? I

538
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 10: got because like that was two years ago. But it

539
00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 10: was like and mind you, I liked it. I liked it,

540
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 10: thought it was fine. But I think Showtime and that's

541
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 10: a testament to them, they really believed in it, and

542
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 10: they were like, we think we can do better, and

543
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 10: I was like, okay, I.

544
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: Was like cool, Now, was there any concern of yours

545
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 1: that Showtime was trying their hardest to not mention the

546
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 1: W word as they gave you the shy like you know,

547
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 1: we need a version of the Wire like that sort

548
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 1: of thing.

549
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 10: It's funny like they didn't know, they didn't well, they

550
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 10: didn't bring that up at all. And the crazy thing is,

551
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 10: and I don't want to be a bad black person,

552
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 10: but I never like obsessed over the wire like that.

553
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 10: I was more about the white people love the wire

554
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 10: more than yeah I love the Wire. I like the Wire,

555
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 10: but I was more into the corner. Yeah, white people

556
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 10: love the Wire. They love insecure, Like they're like all

557
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 10: about it, you know what I'm saying. It's like, but

558
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 10: I feel like I I just never that was never

559
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,360
Speaker 10: my thing. Like the Corner was really dope. This is

560
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 10: a thing that Spike did a long time ago people

561
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 10: may not remember, called Soccer Free City, and that was

562
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,719
Speaker 10: that was really cool that really I just really liked

563
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 10: and thought it was really interesting. So those are things.

564
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,199
Speaker 10: And also to like House of Cards you know, had

565
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 10: come out, so I was really inspired by that. So

566
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 10: those are really inspirations for me while I was working

567
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 10: on The Shy in terms of characters being interconnected and

568
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 10: bumping into each other and and yeah, but it's so funny.

569
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 10: Is I understand the comparison, I guess, But when you

570
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 10: watch The Shy, it's the completely.

571
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 1: I know there's there's no comparison, but just with large

572
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,679
Speaker 1: black on on a cable shl sure.

573
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 2: You know, And and I mean.

574
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 1: Had a connection with each other. It's sort of like

575
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 1: an effortless watching the Magic Circle for their home glue chot.

576
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 1: It's like very effortless, no look past chemistry that they

577
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 1: had with each other.

578
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 2: Right, So The.

579
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Speaker 10: Shy, like my bigges thing was I didn't want to

580
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 10: focus on the system or the police or the cops,

581
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 10: and I think we're gonna get away from that even

582
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 10: more in season two that I think first season I

583
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 10: was like, Okay, well, what's the engine. But I was

584
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 10: like I would say, like I really don't care about

585
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 10: the cops. I care about the people, Like I don't

586
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 10: want to care talk about the police. I want talk

587
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,679
Speaker 10: about the people of being policed. Like that's just more

588
00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 10: interesting to me.

589
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 9: So not to step on your toe, boss man.

590
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 11: But I'm like, okay, so nobody saw your face yet

591
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 11: you have to deal with show time. I know that

592
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 11: your your background as writers assistant in in your relationship

593
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 11: with Gina p.

594
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,120
Speaker 9: Princeville, but can you really break down, like.

595
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 11: Who the hell are you leaning to get these amazing

596
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 11: deals to this writing? Like where did you come from?

597
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 10: Sorry so sorry, but I just you know, like honestly,

598
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 10: like I, you know, graduated from Columbia College, which is

599
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 10: in Chicago, moved out to LA in two thousand and six,

600
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 10: and just started like pounding the payment just grinded. I

601
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 10: think it's just a Chicago hustle in me where I

602
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 10: was just like I went out there with the intent

603
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 10: of running the town, and I was like eventually and

604
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 10: you know, And I think that was genuinely my mindset.

605
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 2: You know.

606
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 10: I wasn't like ongoing to anybody this year, dad, But

607
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 10: I was just like, I want to be a phenomenal writer.

608
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 10: I really cared about the craft. And I think that's

609
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 10: a big thing I see was as I mentor a

610
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,120
Speaker 10: lot of young writers, I think that's of the last

611
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 10: thing on their list to conquer. They're sort of like, well,

612
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,360
Speaker 10: where's the red carpet? Like when do I get the deal?

613
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 11: And d D.

614
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 10: They don't realize there's so much politics. Youre talking about

615
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 10: me being a third card on my own show, but

616
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 10: these folks be thinking you get a show and like

617
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 10: you king or queen. It's like no, it's like I

618
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:09,120
Speaker 10: was like the least powerful person at the table. Now

619
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 10: I'm in a different space, you know. But the first

620
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 10: season any truth, And that's that's no shade to my network,

621
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 10: on my steel that's any case, if you go sold

622
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,360
Speaker 10: the show tomorrow, they don't know you. They could fire you.

623
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 10: They own your shoes.

624
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 9: But how different was yo?

625
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 11: Like the day after the Emmy, Like it's but the Emmy, the.

626
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,880
Speaker 10: The Emmy changed. Yeah, I mean, let's you know, that's

627
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,360
Speaker 10: let's be clear like it just and also too, it's

628
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,439
Speaker 10: like it changed the dynamics on the shy for me.

629
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 10: It changed, you know, you know in terms of how

630
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 10: I walked through the world. But even here's the truth,

631
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 10: Like I was already very clear about who I was

632
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 10: and the kind of artists I want to be before

633
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 10: the Emmy, Like I was, you know, I would say

634
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 10: no to things, certain things. I would go like, I

635
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 10: don't know if I'm the right person for this or

636
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 10: that just feels like a check and I don't want

637
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 10: to just like sell myself for that. Like, and I

638
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 10: think there's this element where I sometimes see people and

639
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 10: they go like, but why would you not do that?

640
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 10: That makes it I'm like, but it may seem cool.

641
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 10: Don't get caught up in the announcement on deadline, you know,

642
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 10: because that's fleeting. It's like it would be a cool

643
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 10: thing for people to retweet. Sure, but like, what about

644
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 10: the quality of my life? Do I want to work

645
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 10: with that person? Really? Yeah, they're a big star, But

646
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 10: do I want that person being my partner that I'm

647
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 10: getting in bed with? It's like, no, I'd rather go

648
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 10: with the normal motherfucker who ain't that hot than the

649
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 10: famous person that might give me a headache.

650
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: You know what, I'm gonna use this moment. I'm sorry

651
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: now I got to step on all y'all. Two, I

652
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: need some advice right.

653
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Speaker 6: Now, advice from le don't eat in bed.

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Speaker 10: Eat in bed every night.

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Speaker 2: So, uh, when you.

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Speaker 1: Just just for those that don't understand the the the

657
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Speaker 1: process of creating a script and show running, can you

658
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Speaker 1: run us through? So are you saying that once you

659
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Speaker 1: complete a script that you're happy with you and your

660
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Speaker 1: collaborator or you yourself whatever. Once it's in the hands

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Speaker 1: of the production company or the whatever, showtime or whoever

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Speaker 1: you're rolling with, is it out of your hands. Is

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Speaker 1: it up to the director to then see what he

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Speaker 1: wants to or she wants to see with what's on

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Speaker 1: the script.

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Speaker 10: Well, it usually depends because like for me, and I'll

667
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Speaker 10: try to take you through like a fictitious scenario. But

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Speaker 10: like but even for the shot, I wrote that by myself,

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Speaker 10: like onspect means for free, Like nobody paid me to

670
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Speaker 10: write that. I just said I want to write this story.

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Speaker 10: So I wrote it, and then I gave it to

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Speaker 10: my agents and I was like, Okay, I want you

673
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Speaker 10: guys to send us out to production companies because I

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Speaker 10: do feel like having a production company. Then you put

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Speaker 10: like places like like Brad pay has production company called

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Speaker 10: Plan B. You know what's another good one. I don't know,

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Speaker 10: Kery Washington's a production company. There are certain places you

678
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Speaker 10: can give you a script too, because at the time,

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Speaker 10: like I wasn't really your name, so I was like,

680
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Speaker 10: maybe I can get in bed with the producer who

681
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Speaker 10: has a little bit more weight, who's got those connections

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Speaker 10: that then they then say, okay, we put our arm

683
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Speaker 10: around Leana. We're gonna walk into all these different networks

684
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Speaker 10: and say we really believe this is the thing, or

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Speaker 10: then go to a studio, because a studio is like

686
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Speaker 10: a bank. A studio they pay for everything and the

687
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Speaker 10: network airs the show. So I got in bed with

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Speaker 10: a producer Aaron Kaplan. Dude, I call him a tony

689
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Speaker 10: soprano of like TV producers. He's got like eight shows

690
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Speaker 10: on that he's an ep on and so he doesn't

691
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Speaker 10: necessarily have to be like super involved in every single show.

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Speaker 10: But he's a person that has a lot of like

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Speaker 10: connections and can walk in the door and say, yeah,

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Speaker 10: I think this is dope. So he and I He's like,

695
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Speaker 10: if I can't produce this show, it's not producable. Okay,

696
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Speaker 10: I believe you. So then he takes me into a

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Speaker 10: studio which which is now Fox twenty one, but it

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Speaker 10: used to be FTVS. So, so he was like, yo,

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Speaker 10: I think you guys should read this this girl's script.

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Speaker 10: Andy Bourne exac over there. He read it. He's like,

701
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Speaker 10: I like this script so much. If we don't sell

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Speaker 10: this script to a network, we're going to floats into

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Speaker 10: a blind deal. That's how much we believe in Lena.

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Speaker 10: And a blind deal means if it don't go, they'll

705
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Speaker 10: pay me just writes whatever else I want to write.

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Speaker 10: So that means they had a lot of confidence in

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Speaker 10: my voice and who I was and around what year

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Speaker 10: is this? Oh jesus, I'm so bad with that. It's

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Speaker 10: probably three or four years ago something like that.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 10: So then so now I got a producer who has

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Speaker 10: his production company. He's like a production company, And now

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Speaker 10: I have a studio. So I got a place that

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Speaker 10: saying like we're gonna componly have the money for this

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Speaker 10: show whoever decides to do it. So then they're like,

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Speaker 10: where do you want to sell us? Then you figure

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Speaker 10: out what makes sense for the show, Like what's a

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Speaker 10: good home for the show. So I was like, I

719
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Speaker 10: really like Showtime, but they've just done the show called

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Speaker 10: The Affair, which I thought was super dope and really

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Speaker 10: unique and really fresh. And I was like, if they

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Speaker 10: can do The Affair, they should want to do, you know,

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Speaker 10: the Shy. So so we went into Showtime first. That

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Speaker 10: was like, that was like my top school that I

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Speaker 10: wanted to get into. So we go into Showtime. We

726
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Speaker 10: have a wonderful meeting and they bite immediately. They're like, yeah,

727
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Speaker 10: we love it, we love you. Let's do it. So

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Speaker 10: so and by that time, and also some other stuff

729
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Speaker 10: like Common was like I want to be involved. I

730
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Speaker 10: was like, you absolutely should be involved. We brought him

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Speaker 10: on as an EP and then we even brought in

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Speaker 10: a director as well. But low key. I think, depending

733
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Speaker 10: on who you are, you don't necessarily need a whole

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Speaker 10: army to walk with you into a network. But it's

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Speaker 10: only no longer out of your hands once you signed

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Speaker 10: a deal with somebody, Like if you sign a deal

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Speaker 10: with a studio where they're like, yeah, we want to

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Speaker 10: be in business with you. Queslove with this script. We

739
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Speaker 10: want to buy it. We want to give you a check.

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Speaker 10: We're going to do all things. Now they do own it.

741
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Speaker 10: They now own it. You don't own it anymore. And

742
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Speaker 10: if they don't like you or you do something wrong,

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Speaker 10: they do have the right to fire you off the

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Speaker 10: show and bring somebody else in to run it and

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Speaker 10: do it. And even on my show, my first season,

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Speaker 10: I had a short runner. I didn't run that show

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Speaker 10: for the firstus because also you don't want to show

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Speaker 10: run your first season, because being a shortrunner is like

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Speaker 10: the worst job on the planet, but it's also the

750
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Speaker 10: most powerful job on the planet. The showrunner has more

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Speaker 10: power than the creator of the show. Does that make

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Speaker 10: sense because the showrunner is the person who is running

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Speaker 10: the room, who's talking to the network, talk to the studio,

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Speaker 10: and a lot of people don't even know what the

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Speaker 10: showrunner is. So funny, like, I'm not putting nobody on blast.

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Speaker 10: But the showrunner of Empire, for who still is it

757
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Speaker 10: was never Lee Daniels. He created the show with Danny right,

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Speaker 10: was yeah, Danny Strong they created the show together. But

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Speaker 10: on the really Danny might say he kind of helped Shan,

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Speaker 10: But yeah, a white woman showran that continues to show

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Speaker 10: run the Empire the secret. I just thought it was

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Speaker 10: Danny Strong Shaking who created.

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Speaker 6: So by the transitive axiom, because because yeah, what is

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Speaker 6: that hopeful what I'm saying now, I'm trying to transit

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Speaker 6: vaxium And you're basically telling me the Tony Braxton or

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Speaker 6: TLC story like you're on the face, which is a

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Speaker 6: production deal under another interview, which is under Arister records.

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Speaker 9: So it's like she has more power than them, right, No, no.

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Speaker 2: No, I know.

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Speaker 1: But you said you have the option to either go

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Speaker 1: with someone that can walk into the room. I'll either

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Speaker 1: Black brad Pit or whoever the Tony soprano is, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: iron can right right, So are you saying that it's

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Speaker 1: likely it's not that likely if you yourself just walked

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Speaker 1: it to the head of showtime, it's well you actually.

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Speaker 10: Would he but see, I don't know if I agree

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Speaker 10: with that anymore, sorry.

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Speaker 2: Because your youth.

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Speaker 10: Now though, the truth is they wanted my script. They

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Speaker 10: wouldn't have cared iout. I came from Tim Buck fucking two.

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Speaker 10: So what I want that script? The position that you're

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Speaker 10: in there right now? Yeah, would you walk someone direct

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Speaker 10: to I already? Have I already had like there's.

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Speaker 1: A direct to the front of the line or is

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Speaker 1: it like come through me and then I'll put you

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Speaker 1: through Mumbo and then.

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Speaker 10: No, no, I'm a I'm believe of going straight to

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Speaker 10: the source. Like there's a girl who writes on the

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Speaker 10: shot who's super dope and name is Catholic Asake. She

790
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Speaker 10: wrote a phenomenal Poloty also wrote another pilot. But I'm

791
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Speaker 10: an EP on that pilot, and we just had a

792
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Speaker 10: meeting at showtime and like and we went around all

793
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Speaker 10: the kind of stuff like that. I was like, we're

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Speaker 10: going straight to the source now. Mind you. I have

795
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Speaker 10: a very different relationship with show Time now, and so

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Speaker 10: when I walk somebody in, they're like, oh great. But

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Speaker 10: I also believe that at the end of the day,

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Speaker 10: everybody dope script is like a freaking lottery ticket. So

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Speaker 10: you don't need, you know, a team of people with you.

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Speaker 10: If you got a lottery ticket, go cast your shit in.

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Speaker 10: If you got that lottery ticket, that's all that matters.

802
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Speaker 10: And what's happening now is like content is king and Queen,

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Speaker 10: so they don't care where you're from. Look at the

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Speaker 10: avol Cody like she look at her story, look at

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Speaker 10: you know, what I'm saying, look at even though Jordan

806
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Speaker 10: Peel had been around for a long time doing that,

807
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Speaker 10: but like that script was something people were like, Okay,

808
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Speaker 10: this is a game changer, and that's why you never

809
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Speaker 10: heard of Blumbhouse, you know what I'm saying. But they

810
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Speaker 10: were like, we want to do this thing, and now

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Speaker 10: everybody nam Mama wanted to get in business. But ultimately

812
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Speaker 10: it's like if you got a dope script, those execs

813
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Speaker 10: want to make the thing. Now what they want to

814
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Speaker 10: do is surround you with people who know what the

815
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Speaker 10: fuck they're doing. You don't want some kid, you give

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Speaker 10: them a key to a porch. It's like, okay, go drive.

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Speaker 10: So it's like, so what happens is usually you sit

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Speaker 10: in the passenger side while somebody who knows how to

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Speaker 10: drive drives the car for you, and you tell them

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Speaker 10: where to turn and where to go and keep straight

821
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Speaker 10: this and that. But it is very complicated. It's the

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Speaker 10: thing that nobody knows cause I like, you know, it's

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Speaker 10: like even like what TV works, Like no one person

824
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Speaker 10: could write every single episode of a show. Just you

825
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Speaker 10: hear people like Aaron Aaron Sorkin and like Matthew Winer,

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Speaker 10: but people like even Shonda and myself, and like, we

827
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Speaker 10: need help to do these shows. There's a writer's room.

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Speaker 10: It's people we have to lean on and trust. And

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Speaker 10: you know a lot of us have showrunners, you know,

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Speaker 10: that are running the show for us and we get

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Speaker 10: the creative input. But if you don't get along with

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Speaker 10: your showrunners, shit gets real sticky.

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Speaker 6: So from the time you created the pilot to it

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Speaker 6: actually making it on air, that was what three four years?

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Speaker 10: About maybe two two years actually, yeah, because we took

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Speaker 10: one year we shot the room. We took another year

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Speaker 10: to do that when they put it out.

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Speaker 8: But how many great scripts get overshadowed because there's not

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Speaker 8: a great team around it. I feel like that happens

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Speaker 8: all the time.

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Speaker 10: But yeah, and I is sure, and I think that's

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Speaker 10: what the Blacklist site is becoming really helpful. My dude,

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Speaker 10: Franklin Leonard started that where like anybody, you ain't gonna

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Speaker 10: have a manager, you're gonna have nothing. If you put

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Speaker 10: a script up there, you pay to get in evaluation.

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Speaker 10: If you get like an eight or above, that means

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Speaker 10: you got a really good script. And what happens is

848
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Speaker 10: people like me can download them send them around. That's why.

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Speaker 10: I went on my Twitter and said, look, I gotta

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Speaker 10: I now have a development fund. I'm looking to find writers.

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Speaker 10: I don't care where you are. If you got to manage,

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Speaker 10: you've got agent. If you're young, black, old, white, aquer whatever.

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Speaker 10: If you got a dope script, that's interesting, that makes

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Speaker 10: sense for my production company to help get developed and

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Speaker 10: get out there in the world. I want to see it.

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Speaker 10: When you talk about how to cut through all the clutter,

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Speaker 10: that's what the Blacklist site does. And a lot of

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Speaker 10: black folks sometimes be like, well, I don't want to

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Speaker 10: put my shit into the Internet. I'm like, look what else?

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Speaker 10: What's your alternative? You know what I'm saying. It's like

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Speaker 10: pay to get evaluates, like seventy five bucks for a feature,

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Speaker 10: like something less than that for a pilot, and you

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Speaker 10: put it up there and you get professional fucking feedback.

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Speaker 10: Because that's a lot of people out here writing in

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Speaker 10: their offices and thinking they got Shakespeare. And then somebody's like, no,

866
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:31,760
Speaker 10: this is to happen and have not. It's no shape,

867
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 10: no t you know what I'm saying. But the end

868
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 10: of the day, it's like nobody's getting feedback.

869
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 9: The way it again.

870
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 10: Blacklist site. But that's it's without vowel, So b lck

871
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 10: lst dot com. B lck lst dot com. But if

872
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 10: you google Franklin Leonard Blacklist site, it'll pop up and

873
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 10: you don't have to do all you gotta do. If

874
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,320
Speaker 10: you got like seventy five bucks, you got a feature

875
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 10: you want to just upload, pay to get a fucking evaluation.

876
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 10: And if you get a five, you know what that means,

877
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 10: Maybe you get some writing classes. It ain't nothing wrong

878
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 10: with that. If you get an eight, that means you

879
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 10: got a pretty solid script on your hands. And then

880
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 10: you should either hit me up or you can hit

881
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 10: any almost anybody up and say, hey, I gotta I

882
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 10: got an overall eight score on the Blacklist site. And

883
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 10: motherfuckers in the business will know what that means. They're

884
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 10: gonna go, oh, so that means you got a pretty

885
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 10: decent script, can you say? And also, here's a great

886
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 10: thing that cuts the work out for me because because

887
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 10: you can send me that evaluation and it'll tell me

888
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 10: how many pages it is, what the log line is,

889
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 10: what the title is. It will tell me what the

890
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 10: strengths are in the script, what the weaknesses are, and

891
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 10: what its potential is sorry.

892
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 9: What's the How long is that process take for him

893
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 9: to value sometime?

894
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 10: It takes about, like, you know, a few days since

895
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 10: I was a week. Wow, Okay, they just don't know

896
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:33,399
Speaker 10: about this ship.

897
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:38,720
Speaker 1: Unlike unlike someone playing me a demo, and I'm telling

898
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:43,240
Speaker 1: you there's maybe eight times in my life I listened

899
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:43,720
Speaker 1: to a demo.

900
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 2: His was one of them. Not for real, like Jill Scott.

901
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, like there's.

902
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't have the patience to sit through.

903
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 10: But how did you my questions, but how did you?

904
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 10: How did how did you end up listening to like

905
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 10: a Jill Scott's.

906
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 1: Very specific circumstances long time ago, Jill, I was really

907
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: and I thought it.

908
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 11: Was people saying that videos she don't know.

909
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 10: You're not you're not, you're not I have a woman.

910
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 1: No, No, that's right, okay, I won't even bet no

911
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: more promise no, but no, it was very specific circumstances,

912
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 1: like what was it like a thunderstorm.

913
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 2: When we were at the Little Brother show.

914
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, so a thunderstorm, uh canceled our show and I

915
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: felt bad for all the Duke fans that had to

916
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,839
Speaker 1: stand this monsoon wait for the rooms to come on.

917
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: So I was like, all right, let me just go

918
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 1: in the front room and shake everyone's hands, and you put.

919
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 2: It in my hand. Yeah, I gave it to you.

920
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,800
Speaker 6: I gave you the little brother like our first little

921
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 6: joints had like four or five joint Yeah, he put.

922
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 2: It in my hand.

923
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 1: And I don't know what made just and I never

924
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: it's always. See, these are always like coasters to me.

925
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 12: Right.

926
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 1: I was like, let me listen to this, and I

927
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: heard a sample I recognized child. I was like, oh ship,

928
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: and then I realized that these guys are awesome.

929
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 2: So wow. Yeah, it was very rare circumstances to.

930
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 9: Which was like a human saxophone or something you heard is.

931
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:27,720
Speaker 2: Just crazy and still crazy.

932
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 10: But that's the thing. It's like, you know, even more energy.

933
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: I was going to say, for me to listen to

934
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: a five minutes song, it's hard easier for you.

935
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 2: You need silence and time.

936
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: Like, so, do you have a regiment that you do,

937
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 1: like you spend two hours every morning in silence looking

938
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: at scripts?

939
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 10: It depends, like I mean, honestly, I what I try

940
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 10: to do is make it so that if I'm reading

941
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:52,879
Speaker 10: a script, it better be damn good.

942
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 2: So I have how do you know if it's bullshit

943
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 2: by page what oh, I.

944
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 10: Can tell from the first like, what are your what's

945
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,280
Speaker 10: your opening line? I mean it's right there. The voice

946
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 10: is either there or it's not. It's it's like it's

947
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 10: almost like singing or a competition like that. It's like

948
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 10: either you can hear it from the first note. To me,

949
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 10: action lines are really important because and Joe's dialogue. But

950
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 10: action lines are the things that you guys don't know

951
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 10: or see, like you know, that's you hear the dialogue

952
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 10: with the action lines are like describing the space, describing

953
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 10: the characters. That's where my personality comes out, you know,

954
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 10: about how I describe someone Like I'll describe a character

955
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 10: like she has the kind of beauty that sneaks up

956
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 10: on you, and she has mommy issues that she still

957
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 10: hasn't dealt with. This is so and so, and she's

958
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 10: thirty five years old whatever. That's how I'll describe a character,

959
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 10: which speaks to how my personality and who I am.

960
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 1: You want them to know how smart and witty you

961
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 1: are based on how you describe it.

962
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 10: Yeah, Like that's that's me giving you my shit, you know,

963
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 10: because when I say when I when the characters start talking.

964
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 10: That's them like I can't you know that have to

965
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 10: step into their shoes. But in between that, I get

966
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 10: to kind of have my own little relationship with the

967
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 10: reader and not the audience because the audience isn't gonna

968
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 10: hear that. But the director looks at that as a

969
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 10: way to go, Okay, God, this helps me cast. This

970
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 10: helps me determine what she's going to wear. And whether

971
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:08,879
Speaker 10: they describe the room or if I'm like, it's it's

972
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 10: like like I described like a hotel room, like this

973
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:14,240
Speaker 10: is the place where you know, uh, sex is exchanged

974
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 10: for money in this in this hotel room. They didn't

975
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 10: know how to. So that's also my way to communicate

976
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 10: with my you know, production designer, my warfare department, all

977
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:23,359
Speaker 10: that kind of stuff as well.

978
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: Awesome, Lesson tell me about your pounding the pavement these

979
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: because I don't want to. I don't I don't want

980
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:33,800
Speaker 1: to think that your life was green lights. No, I

981
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: haven't seen the team. Like, so the pounding the day

982
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 1: that you decided to go to LA to pursue your dream, Yeah,

983
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: I assume in two thousand and six, or wait, yeah,

984
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: didn't you writing weren't you with girlfriends by two thousand.

985
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 10: No, I was a girlfriend the last season like two

986
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 10: thousand and eight.

987
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah, yeah, I just want to say six years.

988
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 10: Yeah no, no, no, no, like cause I graduated from college

989
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 10: in two thousand and six, so I literally like moved

990
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 10: out there. And it's funny because my first internship really

991
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 10: kind of was was with Edmond's Entertainment when it used

992
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 10: to be called Edmonds Entertainment, which is Babyface and Tracy

993
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 10: when they were maybe they weren't together anymore, might ah,

994
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 10: I wasn't there yet, but I knew about that movie.

995
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 10: Knew about that movie is dope, And so internship, you

996
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 10: know what, Actually I just found because Columbia College has

997
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 10: this great message board where you can see about internship.

998
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 10: So I saw it on there. And then like this

999
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 10: white guy, I think there was Lucas. He was working

1000
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 10: for them. He caught me in. I didn't need much,

1001
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 10: you know. He was like he's like, okay, you're on time.

1002
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 10: Your resume is cool. And I interned for them, and

1003
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,359
Speaker 10: you know, I was around Tracy and you know those guys,

1004
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 10: and they were like they were like they had like

1005
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 10: a studio and people come in and do music. I

1006
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 10: remember Reich used to come up in there, uh uh,

1007
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 10: and they had like very expensive cars. Eddie Murphy might

1008
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 10: have been kind of sort of dating Tracy at the time,

1009
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 10: I think, so I saw him a few times, but

1010
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,359
Speaker 10: like they were doing like reality show stuff. They were

1011
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 10: like I was like pa on some of their stuff

1012
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 10: they were doing. But it was just a cool place

1013
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 10: cause I was like, all these the motherfuckers they did

1014
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 10: sould fool like this is lit. And so I was

1015
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 10: up in there, and then I started working in a

1016
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 10: reality TV where I was like a person transcribing like

1017
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 10: videos for the real world and shit like it was

1018
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:17,359
Speaker 10: that's how you make money, we living, you gotta work

1019
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 10: in reality And then I started because then that was

1020
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 10: from like six pm to three am every night, and

1021
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 10: because I wanted my days free so I could intern.

1022
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 10: So I interned at a literary agency that ltsmly ended

1023
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 10: up repping me later, but I was there from nine

1024
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 10: to five and Beverly Hills and drove an hour to

1025
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 10: the valley from six to three am for like two months.

1026
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 9: Like your first apartment was deep in the valley.

1027
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 10: Yeah, so I was. But that don't even day jobs.

1028
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,879
Speaker 10: That was an internship. So I wasn't getting paid eight

1029
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 10: three hours. We started off as three days a week,

1030
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 10: and then they were like, well, we're gonna bring somebody else in.

1031
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 10: I was like, no, I'll do it, yeah, because I

1032
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 10: was like, if you have an opportunity comes up, I

1033
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,399
Speaker 10: want that opportunity. They're like, okay, so you really want

1034
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 10: to work here five days a week and go to

1035
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 10: work at night everything. I was like, yeah, I'll sleep

1036
00:45:57,960 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 10: on the weekends.

1037
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 1: How how long was the process before you felt there

1038
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 1: was a light at the end.

1039
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 2: Of the tunnel?

1040
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 10: Man, I just kept thinking that. But I did that

1041
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 10: for about two and a half months, and I kept thinking, like,

1042
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 10: I'm going to get something out of this, Like me

1043
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 10: doing this, something's got to come out of it. And

1044
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 10: then sure enough, one of their clients, they were like

1045
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 10: one of our clients, he's a new assistant and they

1046
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 10: happened to be running girlfriends and so I was like,

1047
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 10: I wanted I want an interview for that job. So

1048
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 10: I went in and I loved to sit in a

1049
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 10: room like this with my competition, and I was like, Hey,

1050
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 10: don't none of y'all know this show better than me?

1051
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 10: And I walked in there, got the job, and it

1052
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 10: really was the start of my life, you know, in

1053
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 10: that industry. You know, I got to meet Mara, Tracy

1054
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 10: Ellis Ross, like Kenya was working on the game at

1055
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 10: the time, Like everybody I'm cool with now, Like I

1056
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:42,240
Speaker 10: met at Girlfriends and all of them have like Prince Penny,

1057
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 10: who was like he might have still been like staff right,

1058
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 10: he now runs Insecure. Karen Jis, who was writing Our

1059
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 10: Girlfriends at the time, now run star Regina Hicks was

1060
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 10: currently writing on Insecure, like obviously Kenya Barris went on

1061
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 10: The Great Blackish and Grownish all this kind of stuff,

1062
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 10: So like all those people and then like you know,

1063
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 10: you got my black ass was over here trying to

1064
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 10: do something too. But they literally like can you text

1065
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,280
Speaker 10: me last night? Keny was like, bitch, you a fucking

1066
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 10: kim On what the fuck? Like He's like they I

1067
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 10: think for them it's trippy because they remember me being

1068
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 10: like the show runners as.

1069
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 11: System, what was your biggest like mar or Lesson. I

1070
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 11: find her so fascinating.

1071
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 10: I mean, honestly, the thing I learned, She's not a

1072
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 10: person that's like like say this directly to me, But

1073
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 10: what I took from it was like she was a

1074
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 10: real I think a politician in that like she's like JFK,

1075
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 10: you know what I mean, like very she's she knows it.

1076
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 10: In order to get you to pay attention, she's got

1077
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 10: to bring a look, a brand, a vibe. And I

1078
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 10: think that's what people don't really know about Mar's brilliant

1079
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 10: in terms of her brand, is that she doesn't she

1080
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 10: when she walks in, you're already like sold. She's going,

1081
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 10: whatever it is you're telling me, like I'm going to buy.

1082
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 10: And I think that's and that's a big thing I

1083
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 10: really picked up from her is that it's not just

1084
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,800
Speaker 10: about having you know, talent and scripts, but it's about

1085
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 10: what's your brand, Like what's your personality? Like who are you?

1086
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 10: And even like her and her husband the kid, like

1087
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 10: that's a part of her brand, like being a mom,

1088
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 10: being a wife and having you know, you know, doing

1089
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 10: love is or you know or you know, being Mary Jane,

1090
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 10: Like all these things are pulled from her life and

1091
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 10: her like girlfriends is pulled from pages of her diary.

1092
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 10: And I think I really picked up on that. I

1093
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 10: was like, oh, I should just talk about who I

1094
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,839
Speaker 10: am and be myself and people will always remember that.

1095
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 10: That's why I was just telling somebod advice. The other day,

1096
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 10: I'm like, these fucking general meetings that people have that

1097
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 10: they going, I'm like, what's the fucking point. It's like,

1098
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 10: if you can't when you walk out of that room,

1099
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 10: they got to you gotta haunt them once you lead

1100
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 10: a room, they got to be like, I can't get

1101
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:36,359
Speaker 10: this right out of my head because the story they

1102
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,399
Speaker 10: share with me, whatever, it's like going there and treat

1103
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 10: like a fucking therapy session. Don't be crazy, but like

1104
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 10: tell them, tell them, like what's going on, Like if

1105
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 10: you went through a breakup, like say that, Like you know,

1106
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 10: if you went through a thing, say that, because you

1107
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 10: never know what they went through. They make like I

1108
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 10: would breakup too, Like what? And then next thing, you know,

1109
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 10: you having a real connection with an exec that may

1110
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 10: not even like your script that much, but when you

1111
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:57,879
Speaker 10: walk out the door, they like, I feel like that

1112
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 10: person just really gave me a real moment. That's why

1113
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 10: I used to always do it. Gentlemen, I'm like, I'm

1114
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 10: gonna walk I walk out of here, They're gonna feel

1115
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 10: like they had a real conversation with me. And for

1116
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 10: the most what they would beause I would give them

1117
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 10: some real shit.

1118
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 2: What what?

1119
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:08,879
Speaker 5: Uh?

1120
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: What will prevent not prevent you? But now that the

1121
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: heat is on or now that it's on and popping right.

1122
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 1: Whitney Cummings once told me, like, at one point it

1123
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: was so exhausting for her, uh fine tuning every detail

1124
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: of her show and Two Brooke Girls, and at the

1125
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 1: time she was trying to develop like two other shows.

1126
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 6: And I was just like, you know, and people asked me,

1127
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 6: like when need you sleep and all that, But.

1128
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 1: It's like, I mean with me, it's like I kind

1129
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: of have a team for each project I do, so

1130
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 1: I could just come to check the shoulders, check over

1131
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 1: the shoulders, you know. But are you totally immersed in

1132
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: all the projects that you're developing, as in you have

1133
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: to micromanage every fine detail of all these projects, or

1134
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 1: you know, at one point, will you become doctor dre and.

1135
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:12,399
Speaker 12: Just nigga, I saw the Divine Ones, you know, which

1136
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 12: is brilliant.

1137
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 10: His wife was like, won't you be home? Like, I

1138
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 10: don't know, okay, cool baby, that studio it's crazy, but

1139
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:20,439
Speaker 10: I think I don't need I don't. I don't micro

1140
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 10: manage every project. If I did, I would never sleep.

1141
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 10: And I wouldn't have a healthy relationship. There are certain

1142
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 10: projects like Twenties with that pilot, like I got a

1143
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 10: micro manage that because I'm sill trying to get a

1144
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:31,839
Speaker 10: serious order that people think like, oh, you got another show.

1145
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 10: I'm like, not not yet. I got a pilot order.

1146
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:35,839
Speaker 10: Me and Justin sent me is gonna come and direct

1147
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 10: that pilot. Yes, we're very excited to be working together again.

1148
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 10: We're gon we're gonna try to give them a phenomenal pilot.

1149
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 10: So we didn't get a series order, and then it's

1150
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 10: about I'm gonna try to bring Susan phils Healing the

1151
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 10: co show run that with me. She she was the

1152
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 10: show run of a Different World and she's phenomenal. But

1153
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:50,439
Speaker 10: I want to bring her in and help me run

1154
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 10: that and have, you know, maybe have her teach me

1155
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 10: some things. But I'm gonna go like, hey, I want

1156
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 10: to do this and learn from her. Did Sean? I have

1157
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 10: a phenomenal new show runner. Her name is Iana Floyd Davis.

1158
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 10: She's a black woman. She's Jamaica, and she's like the

1159
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 10: auntie I always you know, never knew I needed. But

1160
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 10: she's she's a showrunner. So it's like I'm there to

1161
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 10: help and guide, but she's show running. I got a

1162
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 10: project with Kim that Kim Whitley who played my aunt

1163
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,800
Speaker 10: on Thanksgiving. She wrote something for her Lucy based on

1164
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 10: her life, so we have it set up somewhere. Still

1165
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 10: trying to get that serious order. I still have some

1166
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 10: writing to do on that one, but but yeah, I

1167
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 10: want to find a show runner that really gets her

1168
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 10: voice and gets what I'm going for. So again, I

1169
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:27,839
Speaker 10: think you're right. It's about having teams of people that

1170
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 10: you trust and you love and you fuck with. And

1171
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 10: I really talented because there's things I'm producing. That's why

1172
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 10: I really like producing, because then I ain't got to

1173
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 10: like come in and it buys and give thoughts and

1174
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 10: this and that and then go. You could take it

1175
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 10: to leave it, but I think you should take it.

1176
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 10: But you know, but I think that's really how I

1177
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 10: think you build and build a brand. And it's tough

1178
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 10: because you It's true if you look at Whitney Commings

1179
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 10: and I remember that that time where she was popping,

1180
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 10: like everybody was like she had all these pilosts and that,

1181
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 10: and I think she's still really talented, and I think

1182
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 10: she's still doing really dope things. But I think for me,

1183
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 10: it's about also managing that at some point, I'm gonna

1184
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 10: step back. I'm gonna go away for a bit where

1185
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 10: I'm not everywhere. You know what I'm saying. But you

1186
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 10: see my work, you see my shows, you know what

1187
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 10: I'm saying. You see the Shy, you see twenties, you know,

1188
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 10: you see you know. I know I pop up in

1189
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 10: season two of Dear White People, But it's like little

1190
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 10: things like that that makes sense. Or it's like we've

1191
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 10: got the Spielberg movie coming out in this month. I'm

1192
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 10: in that. Obviously I'm not promoting that, and it's like that,

1193
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 10: but once that movie comes out, like I'm gonna step

1194
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 10: back a bit and go back into the lab and

1195
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:23,919
Speaker 10: do some work. And I think that's really the trick.

1196
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 10: I think it's knowing when to go back and when

1197
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 10: to come out. We love Kevin Hart, but Kevin Heart's

1198
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:29,280
Speaker 10: kind of everywhere.

1199
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 2: What did you What did you say no to that?

1200
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: You know, not that you regret, like something that was like, ah,

1201
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: this is the dream, But I can't do it right.

1202
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 10: I mean, I won't say exactly what it is because

1203
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 10: I'm cool with the person. End up writing it. But

1204
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 10: I did get offered to write a movie that ended

1205
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 10: up doing really well, and I was just like.

1206
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 2: Uh, you can't say the movie.

1207
00:52:58,880 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 10: No, I'm not gonna say no.

1208
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:00,040
Speaker 5: No.

1209
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 10: Well you said yeah, but but I don't want the

1210
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 10: person that ended up writing it. I said no, so

1211
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:12,359
Speaker 10: you go ahead, but here's what I'll say. But well,

1212
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 10: the politics, it's because she's my friend. But I feel

1213
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 10: like to me, I was like, that's not my brand

1214
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 10: or like that doesn't speak to my brand. That's me

1215
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 10: writing for someone else's brand, and I don't know how

1216
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 10: that furthers what I'm trying to do. So I think

1217
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 10: that's I think sometimes when you grab these things or

1218
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 10: isn't that cool, I'm like, yeah, but who is that

1219
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:34,919
Speaker 10: really helping? Because then if you look at like Black Panther, Yeah,

1220
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,720
Speaker 10: Marvel's a huge brand. Marvel maybe bigger than Ryan Coogler,

1221
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:41,800
Speaker 10: but Ryan Coogler made Marvel not his bitch, but like

1222
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 10: they made it like I'm gonna do my thing with

1223
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 10: this movie so much so that it will always be

1224
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 10: associated with me and his brand, you know. More so

1225
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 10: people think of it as a Marvel movie. Oh yeah,

1226
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 10: that Brian Coogler joint. You know what I'm saying, and

1227
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 10: I think if you can do that, cool, but that

1228
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 10: particular thing, especially where I was in my career, I

1229
00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 10: would have just been a higher hand. I'm like, no,

1230
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 10: I'm cool. I want to make that like really feels like.

1231
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 9: Me, Lena.

1232
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 11: Is it safe to say that nobody has tried to

1233
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,399
Speaker 11: like dumb down or worder down your brand, whether we're

1234
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 11: talking about your outside or your inside, because it seems

1235
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 11: like you have a freedom. You feel a freedom, and

1236
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:16,399
Speaker 11: you are allowed this freedom that somebody maybe ten years

1237
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 11: ago may not have.

1238
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 10: I don't know or even now. That's my big beef.

1239
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 10: I still think more. I know a lot of gay

1240
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:24,800
Speaker 10: black celebrities that are not gay publicly.

1241
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 11: Yo your essence speech when you was calling Knicks out,

1242
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 11: like stayne listen, did you get some back? No?

1243
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 10: I look, it was nothing but love. I got a

1244
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 10: lot of love from people, and a lot of folks

1245
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,439
Speaker 10: that I know who are gay but aren't out yet.

1246
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:38,839
Speaker 10: By the way, I wasn't like trying to like throw

1247
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 10: shape a Coeople text me and say yo, I'm not

1248
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:42,839
Speaker 10: hide and sist. You know, I'm just out here, And

1249
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 10: I was like no. But I was like no, I

1250
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 10: was like I don't think that you are. Yeah, you know,

1251
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 10: it's like, look, I'm not I don't. I wasn't trying

1252
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 10: to call nobody. All I was saying is we I

1253
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 10: believe for particularly for gay black motherfuckers, it's our responsibility

1254
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 10: to be a light at the end of the tunnel.

1255
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:03,280
Speaker 10: Because it's like, if you look at how many black

1256
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:05,319
Speaker 10: people there are in Hollywood, and there's a nice number

1257
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 10: of us, and you think about how many out kay

1258
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 10: black people that are in Hollywood, it's about what me

1259
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 10: wantuh Titus.

1260
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 11: Lee, and probably more than men because black men got

1261
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:18,720
Speaker 11: a whole different study.

1262
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 10: But also to here, here's another thing to it. Even

1263
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 10: in music, you know what I'm saying, a lot of

1264
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 10: times I'll be thinking about like some of these R

1265
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 10: and B singers who I know them right well, but

1266
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 10: I'm talking about But here's the here's the interesting.

1267
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:37,800
Speaker 1: Sarcasm when you hear it that.

1268
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 10: But here's the deal. There's some like there's some R

1269
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:46,280
Speaker 10: and B like black men singers who are uh faking

1270
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 10: the funk, shall we say, singing to women where they

1271
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 10: know they don't want to be. And here's the deal.

1272
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 10: And I see them, I look at them on I

1273
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 10: g I see the a cappella Tuesday, and I'm just

1274
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 10: sort of like, but it's so interesting to me because

1275
00:55:58,040 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 10: you look at like, yeah, a lot of casts like saying,

1276
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 10: I'm really saying I do this, like they're trying to

1277
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:06,479
Speaker 10: be like and they're dope and they're no. I follow

1278
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 10: these cats. I love singers. I think it's great. But

1279
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:11,359
Speaker 10: some of them, I'm like, dog, really, come on, come on, brother,

1280
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 10: And a lot of them are like, I don't know

1281
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 10: why I'm not on yet. I don't know. I'm not

1282
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 10: own yet. And I'm just saying, like, if you fucking

1283
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:19,799
Speaker 10: came out and told your truth, maybe motherfucker will talk

1284
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 10: about you. And no, I don't know, ship like, oh,

1285
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 10: let me be gay for pay. But it's like to me,

1286
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 10: what Frank did. Here's the other thing too about Frank.

1287
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 10: He's just dope, Okay. I really fuck with his music.

1288
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 10: Really liked Blonde. I thought it was really dope. I

1289
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 10: think that because he's living his truth, it bleeds into

1290
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 10: the art, it beleds into what he's doing. He can't

1291
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 10: not be just like this authentic motherfucker. Even though he's

1292
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:42,359
Speaker 10: like this, you know, he's a weird guy. He goes

1293
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:44,880
Speaker 10: away for too long sometimes, but there's something about it

1294
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 10: that just speaks to everybody.

1295
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 9: Like anything's specialized? Can an arm? Can there?

1296
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 11: Are you ready for an gay R and B singer

1297
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 11: that just wants to sing? And I'm gay and I'm

1298
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 11: not singing about man?

1299
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 9: Are we ready?

1300
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 10: You think you ready?

1301
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1302
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,799
Speaker 10: I wasn't for us like a big hit it is,

1303
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:00,839
Speaker 10: but you remember what.

1304
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 1: We talked about before we started the show. I just

1305
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 1: think what and this deals with the Thanksgiving episode? I

1306
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:10,280
Speaker 1: think that just conservative Black Christianity.

1307
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 10: Yep.

1308
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 2: It's such a heavy burden on everyone. It's always like

1309
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 2: you're always every step you make is like what will

1310
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 2: my mama thinks?

1311
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 9: Look at gospel?

1312
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 2: I think?

1313
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 10: But once I stopped caring about what my mama thought,

1314
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 10: that's what I really even though like it took me

1315
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 10: obviously have to come out to her and I went

1316
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 10: through that whole situation, and we went through our thing

1317
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 10: and we finally have like found a comfortable place to be.

1318
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 10: But I realized, in order to come out, you kind

1319
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 10: of can't give a fuck what anybody thinks because you

1320
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 10: got to prepare yourself with your mama may be like, okay,

1321
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 10: well you do that and I'll be in heaven when

1322
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 10: you're not you know, but it's like but but but

1323
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 10: you have to come to a place where you don't care.

1324
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 10: You got to be like, this is my true this

1325
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 10: is who I am. How you react to that's how

1326
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 10: you react to? Yes, I gotta say it.

1327
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 1: So how did you convince or how did the idea

1328
00:57:58,480 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 1: of the Thanksgiving episode?

1329
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 10: Well, it really it was born out of me, uh,

1330
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 10: because I didn't have any plans on telling that story

1331
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 10: because I just also didn't think it was that fascinating.

1332
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 10: I ain't a.

1333
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 9: Real verbata, that's your real verbata.

1334
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 10: So it's like a full, like I mean, thinly veiled version.

1335
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 2: Sugar video. Yo.

1336
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 1: I didn't even know what the episode was about. Watch

1337
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 1: that well, because the season was like what's best man?

1338
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 10: You educated black people?

1339
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 2: Like?

1340
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 10: Well, I was in London filming, so, uh, these gratefully

1341
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 10: came to me so we could write that. But so

1342
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 10: I have to write it in three days. I had

1343
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 10: like three days off from filming, and he's like, we'll

1344
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 10: get this done. So but what we did was, and

1345
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 10: I don't know why, but we just started like we

1346
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 10: were trying to obviously go back into like the nineties

1347
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 10: and us coming up so we was like watching music

1348
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 10: videos and and one of them was like new a Edition, Case,

1349
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 10: standa Rain. We watched D'Angelo all that kind of stuff,

1350
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 10: and that's really kind of how that bled into because

1351
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 10: we were like what. He was like, what did you

1352
00:58:57,160 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 10: do all the time? And that's a real thing. When

1353
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 10: I was young, BT used to really be about fucking

1354
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 10: music videos and we watched the Countdown every Friday night

1355
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 10: and that's and that so I learned a lot about

1356
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 10: like just culture and swag and this through just music videos.

1357
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 10: So we really because He's and I both know, we

1358
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 10: wanted to incorporate one and that one just for both

1359
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 10: of us. It really sang to us. But it came

1360
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 10: out because like Alan just asked me. He's like, how

1361
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 10: did you come out? Because I was talking about dating

1362
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 10: and this and that. He asked me. And I started

1363
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 10: telling them the story and they were like, bitch, that's

1364
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 10: an episode, Like that's interesting, and I was like is

1365
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 10: it okay? And then they were like we want you

1366
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 10: to help write it and I was like, I said no.

1367
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 10: I was like, dude, I got too much of my

1368
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 10: plate the Spielberg movie. I gotta put online energy into that.

1369
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:35,959
Speaker 10: I'm so Shy hadn't been officially green Lilit the series yet,

1370
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 10: I was still We had a mini room and I

1371
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 10: was just like, yo, it's he I cannot spread myself

1372
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:42,440
Speaker 10: like any dinner than I'm already spread right now. And

1373
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 10: he was like, well, if you don't help me write it,

1374
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 10: then I would feel weird writing about myself. And so

1375
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 10: I was like, all right, man, I was like cool.

1376
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 10: I was like, well, what is it gonna be. He's

1377
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 10: like I don't know. He's like, well, just we'll outline it,

1378
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 10: we'll talk about it, we'll email back and forth. And

1379
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 10: he was a man of force.

1380
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 2: So we did.

1381
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 10: We just like email back and forth. His brother, a niece,

1382
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 10: actually came up with the idea of like centering it

1383
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 10: around Thanksgiving because I told him I was like, I

1384
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 10: can't just do some straight line like thirty minutes. I

1385
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 10: got to go through the stages. But then as he's

1386
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 10: really liked that, he's like, I like the idea of

1387
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 10: you showing you as a kid and growing up and

1388
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 10: this and that. So it just sort of really happened

1389
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 10: after our conversation we had while we were here in

1390
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 10: New York, and then I went off to London and

1391
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 10: we was like emailing back and forth and just kind

1392
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 10: of came together crazy and then Angel fucking Malina's assam

1393
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:24,919
Speaker 10: and as because they were like, let's get angela basket.

1394
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 10: I was like, both of y'all are fucking crazy. And

1395
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 10: she knew what it was. I think I was like,

1396
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 10: they reached out to her manager and he knew. Her

1397
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 10: manager knew what the show was, and I think her

1398
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 10: manager was like, this is like a hoop show, like

1399
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 10: you should kind of do it. And it worked out

1400
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 10: with her schedule like she like, I think she had

1401
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 10: like a little bit of a break and they came

1402
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 10: back like real fast. But I swear because Molina always

1403
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 10: shoots for the Malina Masucus that Amazon maliam Suus, who

1404
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 10: who directed the episode. But Malina always shoots for the

1405
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 10: stars because she's just like why not, who gives a fuck?

1406
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:55,919
Speaker 10: Come on? Because she was kicking to with Swanta Beance

1407
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 10: all the time and I was, but I was just

1408
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:00,200
Speaker 10: like Malina. I was like, Angel don't know with the

1409
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 10: show and she don't know who we are. I'm like,

1410
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 10: this is fucking nuts. Butlina was like, just let me

1411
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 10: just you know, just let me ask. I was like,

1412
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 10: all right, but then they came back like like they

1413
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 10: were like, it's looking good, like Angela's ready and nothing that.

1414
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 10: But then once Angela came on, and then when she

1415
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 10: then he's called me, He's like, we always call her

1416
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 10: Katherine Jackson because we're obsessed with Jackson five America. He's

1417
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:20,720
Speaker 10: like Catherine, like but like, seriously, if people knew like

1418
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 10: me and sent each other gifts of the Jackson of

1419
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 10: American dream all the time, so.

1420
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 2: And I don't even know nothing.

1421
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 10: We're obsessed with it and go to be what are

1422
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:37,560
Speaker 10: you gonna do? Beat him?

1423
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:48,440
Speaker 2: Give me some so many times like ten years and

1424
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:49,600
Speaker 2: the Temptations movie.

1425
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 10: I know you cut you cut your mane out of

1426
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 10: this group, it will kill him.

1427
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:58,480
Speaker 11: A random casting question, Eric, ericamer let's talk about it.

1428
01:01:58,520 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 9: I left very charming girl about it?

1429
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 10: Super charming. That was awesome.

1430
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 2: She realized she was Was she on the ke? I

1431
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 2: think she was?

1432
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1433
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 10: I mean, and here's the thing, we knew whoever it was.

1434
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 10: We were like, we have to have the and also

1435
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 10: it's Lucy based on a real girl I dated. Don't

1436
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:17,120
Speaker 10: judge me, but but so we we put that in

1437
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 10: and and Malina was like, oh, I think we should

1438
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 10: get Erica Mena and I'm not great about the love

1439
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 10: and hip hop, so I don't really watch those shows.

1440
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 10: So I was like what and then and but Malina

1441
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 10: was like no, but I like Malina had auditioned her

1442
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:30,200
Speaker 10: and she told me, like, Lena, I think she'll be great,

1443
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:32,440
Speaker 10: because it was like, we need somebody fun who can

1444
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:35,240
Speaker 10: play and look, you're coming into it's nerve wreck. I

1445
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 10: mean it's a Netflix show, like you got a zesus ass,

1446
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 10: you got as the Basket. There's a lot going on,

1447
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 10: so we needed somebody that could really handle it. And

1448
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:42,960
Speaker 10: Erica was so happy to be there. And I remember

1449
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:44,880
Speaker 10: her being like all the haters gonna be like I'm here,

1450
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 10: we have the Netflix Lena, and I'm going like who

1451
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 10: the haters? What's going on? So I'm like, so Belina's like, Lida,

1452
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:51,560
Speaker 10: you don't know nothing.

1453
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 3: I was.

1454
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 10: I was like, what's up? Like she's a pretty girl, nice,

1455
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 10: sweet girl. But Erica was like so happy, like she's

1456
01:02:57,240 --> 01:02:59,040
Speaker 10: like and she was all cuddled up. It's like, Lida,

1457
01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 10: what do you do? I was like, no, I got

1458
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 10: the buddy, I got a girl.

1459
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 9: But she's very sweet. Seeing her on great, she is great.

1460
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 10: And then I kind of after the fact, I'm like, oh,

1461
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:08,959
Speaker 10: she's like this girl like on the show, like people

1462
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 10: like follow her, they know how that she did it?

1463
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 10: Bow wow. For a second, I was like, I need

1464
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:13,360
Speaker 10: to do my research.

1465
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 2: You know what.

1466
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 1: When it came on and watching all the all the

1467
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:22,240
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving table, all I could think about was, I wonder

1468
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 1: if these people know what this is right now? That

1469
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:31,240
Speaker 1: the fact that and again I was wondering, does Angela

1470
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:33,520
Speaker 1: know like how masterful masters?

1471
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:38,040
Speaker 2: And does does she does know?

1472
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:41,120
Speaker 1: Or do you Like I just felt that all of

1473
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 1: these great characters were at this table and only a

1474
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:48,360
Speaker 1: these knew what he was cooking up, like bringing these

1475
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:50,640
Speaker 1: people together that I.

1476
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:52,640
Speaker 10: Knew because it was really me and Malina that really

1477
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:54,240
Speaker 10: buy body together, you know, is these was kind of

1478
01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 10: almost like, you know, he was sort of letting us

1479
01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 10: like do our thing, Like he would leave the set

1480
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 10: for time, like you know, he would be in editing

1481
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 10: and Alan would go and I had to convince him

1482
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 10: to getlet Kim Whitley be that my aunt because they're like, well,

1483
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 10: she's not New York based, and we got to pay it.

1484
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:09,240
Speaker 10: I was like, I don't give a fuck. I'm like,

1485
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 10: she's a black female comedian, single mom, she can figure

1486
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:12,760
Speaker 10: out how to get to New York. Sure enough. I

1487
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 10: call Kim, I'm like, can you get here? She was

1488
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 10: like yeah, she was like I'll figure something out. Cut

1489
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:19,720
Speaker 10: to her as books a judging gig on Top Chef Kids.

1490
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 10: So he flew her out and you know, she get

1491
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 10: the show. Like, but me and Malina like we did that.

1492
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:27,240
Speaker 10: Aziz like stood back and kind of let us do

1493
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 10: our thing, you know, And but that is that episode

1494
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 10: to me, every woman, And that's only he's the only

1495
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 10: man on the whole episode. At people don't pick up

1496
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:37,760
Speaker 10: on that right away, but it's like he's the only guy.

1497
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:40,440
Speaker 10: His character little boys or whatever. But it's like, it's

1498
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:43,120
Speaker 10: women of color and that a woman of color, and

1499
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Speaker 10: that's what happens when you allow us to do our

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01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:45,680
Speaker 10: thing and get the fuck.

1501
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:45,919
Speaker 2: Out the way.

1502
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:48,680
Speaker 11: And does he understand too that because for that episode,

1503
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:51,800
Speaker 11: like that episode is my way of introducing older black

1504
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:54,439
Speaker 11: people to Masters of None, right, Like I my mother,

1505
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:56,360
Speaker 11: I was like, Mommy, you're gonna love Masters of None.

1506
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:59,000
Speaker 11: Let me just show you this one episode and then

1507
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 11: and she fell hard. I've probably watched about six or

1508
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 11: seven times since, just like exposing people to the oh

1509
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 11: are you kid? I cried when my god, the scene

1510
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 11: when Lisa come back Lisa, right, that's the final girl friend.

1511
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:16,560
Speaker 9: Uh yeah, Michelle, Michelle the final girlfriend.

1512
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 11: When they had that moment in the kitchen and like

1513
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 11: Angela talks to her and they just and then y'all

1514
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:23,560
Speaker 11: are all wearing these nice like pastel colors.

1515
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 10: You know what I mean. It was department holding us yea, yeah,

1516
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 10: you know I mean. And I never, I never I

1517
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:30,920
Speaker 10: thought like, oh, it was just cool. We got a

1518
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 10: really nice black episode a.

1519
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 2: Master or guys all ship.

1520
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:38,840
Speaker 11: I am.

1521
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:45,480
Speaker 10: That's perfect because I really didn't think like it would

1522
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:47,040
Speaker 10: take on that kind of life. And that's the other

1523
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:48,720
Speaker 10: thing to when you a Netflix show, you don't you

1524
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:50,480
Speaker 10: do have to wait like until it comes out and

1525
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:52,720
Speaker 10: people to tweet about it, but people immediate. But as

1526
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:54,720
Speaker 10: he's always knew because he was like leaning people watching

1527
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:57,000
Speaker 10: this episode they love. He would text me all the

1528
01:05:57,040 --> 01:05:58,840
Speaker 10: time because they would do like little screenings and stuff

1529
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 10: and he was like people with things. Give an episode

1530
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:02,360
Speaker 10: and then when the Emmy happened, we just it was

1531
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:04,200
Speaker 10: like icing on the cake because we had so much

1532
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:06,040
Speaker 10: fun doing it. And now Malina I wrote a feature

1533
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:08,520
Speaker 10: that she's going to direct, Like Molina's like my sister

1534
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:10,240
Speaker 10: for the rest of my life. Angela is like such

1535
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:12,640
Speaker 10: a close like she's like family to me now and

1536
01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:14,440
Speaker 10: now Kim, I'm doing this show. So it's like really

1537
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:16,880
Speaker 10: spawned these different things that you know, from that one

1538
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 10: episode of television.

1539
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:23,120
Speaker 2: Okay, am I allowed to ask what season three?

1540
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:25,920
Speaker 10: You're allowed to ask? I don't know the answer, you know,

1541
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:30,720
Speaker 10: you know, and it's you know, look, I mean it's tough,

1542
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 10: you know, with everything that's going on in the world,

1543
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 10: and look, I'm a I'm a big part of you know,

1544
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 10: Time's up, and you know, I'm very much, you know,

1545
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:40,919
Speaker 10: an advocate of the me too campaign. I think people

1546
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:43,320
Speaker 10: should be pipping up. I know it is. He's you know,

1547
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:47,280
Speaker 10: he was touched by it, and uh, it was not

1548
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:53,360
Speaker 10: easy for for me during that time because it's like

1549
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:56,480
Speaker 10: I can't just be oh rah rah, I'm a part

1550
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:58,600
Speaker 10: of this movement, fuck everything else. Like this is someone

1551
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:01,280
Speaker 10: who I'm known from all the time. You know. It's like,

1552
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:04,480
Speaker 10: you know, he really saw something in me at a

1553
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:06,360
Speaker 10: time where I didn't even think like I would have

1554
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:08,880
Speaker 10: this kind of career. He really introduced people to me

1555
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:11,920
Speaker 10: in a way so it's like, you know, I and

1556
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:14,640
Speaker 10: he's just like my he's my friend. You know, I

1557
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:16,720
Speaker 10: can't just turn my back. I'm not that bitch. And

1558
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:19,280
Speaker 10: so I really kind of got a real front row

1559
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 10: seat to what this means. And so for me, it

1560
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:23,320
Speaker 10: was about people like, well, who side are you on?

1561
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:25,200
Speaker 10: I'm like, well, that's the thing. There aren't any sides.

1562
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:28,040
Speaker 10: I feel like in this particular situation, Harvey Weinstein, there's

1563
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:32,880
Speaker 10: a side kept spacey, there's a side story, you know,

1564
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:35,760
Speaker 10: and look, you know, I a long conversation with him.

1565
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:39,600
Speaker 10: I read everything, and I'm just like, I think there's

1566
01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 10: a lot of shades of great here. I think a

1567
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:44,560
Speaker 10: lot of people have been in those scenarios, whether you've

1568
01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:46,400
Speaker 10: been the guy or the girl. And I think what

1569
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:49,480
Speaker 10: I got from it was more about us is having

1570
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:51,640
Speaker 10: to re educate ourselves about what consent looks like, what

1571
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:54,280
Speaker 10: it feels like, what it sounds like. And I think

1572
01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:56,200
Speaker 10: that just means it's not gonna be fun for everybody.

1573
01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:57,640
Speaker 10: But I think that's something we just kind of have

1574
01:07:57,640 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 10: to do. We have to really make sure it also

1575
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:01,960
Speaker 10: just make sure we're being in tune with the person

1576
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 10: that we're kicking it with and making sure we're paying attention.

1577
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:06,960
Speaker 10: They say they're cool, maybe ask again.

1578
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 9: About to say, Leana, you better watch.

1579
01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 10: Out too, watch out for I'm engaged.

1580
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:14,040
Speaker 9: But it was life before her though, I'm just saying like, no.

1581
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:16,640
Speaker 10: I'm good. I mean, like, you know, but no, but

1582
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:18,479
Speaker 10: also too. But I'm just I'm a different kind of chick.

1583
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:21,200
Speaker 10: I'm very I'm hyper aware, you know what I'm saying

1584
01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:22,800
Speaker 10: of Like I'm not saying that's because I'm a woman,

1585
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:24,960
Speaker 10: but I just I think in terms of you know,

1586
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:26,680
Speaker 10: that's just how I get down. But I think if

1587
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:29,760
Speaker 10: you're a comedian who's maybe not always great about paying

1588
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:31,679
Speaker 10: super close atten, you know, I don't know if that's

1589
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:33,880
Speaker 10: but it doesn't necessarily make you a bad person. So

1590
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:36,800
Speaker 10: it's just really she got really complicated, and that was

1591
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:38,840
Speaker 10: the one story I saw that people were like, I

1592
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:42,120
Speaker 10: don't really know where I fall and this too, so

1593
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:44,280
Speaker 10: you know, but I'm happy that us opening up a

1594
01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:46,519
Speaker 10: dialogue and happy that people are talking because that's I

1595
01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:48,639
Speaker 10: think the issue that motherfuckers don't talk to each other.

1596
01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:51,600
Speaker 6: Well, still breaking for me is is she kicks you

1597
01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:53,240
Speaker 6: out a big because you can't eat cookies.

1598
01:08:56,720 --> 01:08:59,479
Speaker 10: My fiance don't allow She's like, she won't even let

1599
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:02,120
Speaker 10: me eat on a couch. She's like, no, that's what

1600
01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:04,599
Speaker 10: the kitchen counter is for, and that's what we take

1601
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:08,200
Speaker 10: the shoes off when you come in the house. Listens

1602
01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:08,759
Speaker 10: out there.

1603
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:12,360
Speaker 2: There, we go to our listeners out there.

1604
01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:15,479
Speaker 1: We had a pre conversation for the tape started, which

1605
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:20,600
Speaker 1: I sort of complained bitterly that sort of Yeah, my

1606
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:23,720
Speaker 1: my new and last current whatever.

1607
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:24,640
Speaker 9: You better say last. I love it.

1608
01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:28,599
Speaker 10: Best thing ever.

1609
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:35,439
Speaker 6: Did let me eat in my bed, which is a

1610
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:36,240
Speaker 6: great thing.

1611
01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:43,799
Speaker 11: Problem you call your bad Wait Lea right now, Wait

1612
01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:48,320
Speaker 11: everybody listen Leana, right now, would you just say your bit?

1613
01:09:51,400 --> 01:09:52,160
Speaker 2: You get there yet?

1614
01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:55,200
Speaker 8: Hold on you you need to explain the whole I've

1615
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:58,439
Speaker 8: been on tour my whole life, and I'm used to for.

1616
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 2: Me, I'm a hotel guy. I've been on to the

1617
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:05,000
Speaker 2: last twenty years of my life hotel beds, so kind

1618
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:05,479
Speaker 2: of yeah.

1619
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 1: Even before this bed I got, all my beds were

1620
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:11,160
Speaker 1: from the w hotel, Like I love hotel life.

1621
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:16,320
Speaker 10: Yeah, specials to clean up and that hotel they coming

1622
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:16,840
Speaker 10: in right after.

1623
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:19,120
Speaker 2: I'm not messy Man's tennis.

1624
01:10:20,360 --> 01:10:25,120
Speaker 10: You gonna get some some too, because I'll smoke put

1625
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:27,160
Speaker 10: on you know all about Eve and want to be

1626
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:30,519
Speaker 10: washing in the bed, but my lady is the only

1627
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:38,800
Speaker 10: I can only do that when I just yeah.

1628
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:38,479
Speaker 9: I'm sorry, I just go.

1629
01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:45,200
Speaker 10: Into it the bos one of the two. If it's

1630
01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:45,719
Speaker 10: at night.

1631
01:10:47,280 --> 01:11:00,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, we Steve, I'm like Steve the show right now,

1632
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:02,200
Speaker 6: what's happening?

1633
01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:05,040
Speaker 7: Everyone agrees here that you shouldn't eat in bed. I

1634
01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:08,280
Speaker 7: mean it's a little dangerous dog because yeah, do you

1635
01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:10,080
Speaker 7: smoking bed? Smoking bed?

1636
01:11:10,240 --> 01:11:13,160
Speaker 2: Do you smoking bed? You would rather die?

1637
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:17,000
Speaker 7: Drums and shipping in the bed. We got the vape,

1638
01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:18,720
Speaker 7: I do vapor bed.

1639
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:21,519
Speaker 10: I'm trying to get vapors.

1640
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:25,639
Speaker 7: I mean yeah, but there's no that doesn't count as.

1641
01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:28,519
Speaker 10: That's what's so great about it.

1642
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:32,920
Speaker 2: Eating bed alone. Man, we're too old for that ship.

1643
01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:39,760
Speaker 11: Can I ask a randomly in the question, since you

1644
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:41,920
Speaker 11: want Justin working on something else, does that mean that

1645
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:43,360
Speaker 11: it's a wrap for Dear White People?

1646
01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:44,120
Speaker 9: Season two?

1647
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:46,800
Speaker 10: No, Season two was coming. Season two was done. That's

1648
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:48,879
Speaker 10: in the can, that'll be out in the summer.

1649
01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:50,880
Speaker 2: Uh, I'm back to eating.

1650
01:11:55,479 --> 01:11:57,280
Speaker 10: I mean, I don't know. Justin may go through some movies,

1651
01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:00,320
Speaker 10: but Dear White Peoples never did. Dear White People always

1652
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:04,519
Speaker 10: Gonna live forever. We always you always got reasons to

1653
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:07,400
Speaker 10: say dear white people. Always when we think we don't,

1654
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:12,400
Speaker 10: it always comes back hidden fences remind us of that we.

1655
01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:19,479
Speaker 2: Were like hidden. So, uh, explain before we wrap? We

1656
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:20,479
Speaker 2: do want to go? When does?

1657
01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:25,000
Speaker 6: The Spielbirg movie March twenty ninth title is Ready Player Ready.

1658
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:27,240
Speaker 10: Player one, which is based on the bestselling novel by

1659
01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:31,040
Speaker 10: Ernie Klein. Uh Steven Spielberg. Here's a drink. We we

1660
01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:32,960
Speaker 10: We showed it to an audience for the first time

1661
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:33,679
Speaker 10: at south.

1662
01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:35,280
Speaker 2: By, and I tried to get into that show.

1663
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:38,800
Speaker 10: So I wish, like somebody would have, I would have

1664
01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:40,360
Speaker 10: tried to, like figure it out this one.

1665
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:45,479
Speaker 11: Don't do that, don't do that, don't do that, don't

1666
01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:46,000
Speaker 11: do it.

1667
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:46,720
Speaker 8: It's already done.

1668
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:50,719
Speaker 6: On the plane Chicken ship to say hello, what Yeah,

1669
01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:55,960
Speaker 6: she was like some weird stalkers, like what happened the question?

1670
01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:59,120
Speaker 10: I have told you? Like, I'm like the most real motherfucker.

1671
01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:01,040
Speaker 9: You know, told me you were cool and ship. It

1672
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:01,960
Speaker 9: wasn't about that leaning.

1673
01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:04,600
Speaker 11: Sometimes there are like five people in this world that

1674
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:07,040
Speaker 11: I'm real fans of their work and their art, and

1675
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:09,080
Speaker 11: so sometimes it's hard for me to like approach.

1676
01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:13,400
Speaker 10: You know what I mean, say hi, but I'm ware

1677
01:13:13,439 --> 01:13:16,280
Speaker 10: we're talking now, but you could tell you and you.

1678
01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:18,439
Speaker 2: Know, I'll see you in a couple I see you

1679
01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:18,840
Speaker 2: next week.

1680
01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:20,840
Speaker 10: You would have been like, yo, I'm right on this

1681
01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:21,400
Speaker 10: on this.

1682
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:23,240
Speaker 9: Story.

1683
01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:25,320
Speaker 11: I saw you in the eatery before we bought it,

1684
01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:29,240
Speaker 11: and then I saw you sitting down and first getting.

1685
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:34,000
Speaker 10: You see what he's sitting in first class. The whole

1686
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:37,720
Speaker 10: walk is awkward, like figure something out. It's like I

1687
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:39,559
Speaker 10: feel bad. I feel like a lot of people out

1688
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:41,120
Speaker 10: there feel bad because we're like we want you to

1689
01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:42,880
Speaker 10: have the TV and able to charge your phone as well.

1690
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:46,639
Speaker 9: I'm going to use your bathroom. Don't tell me I'm coming.

1691
01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:51,799
Speaker 10: That's why. Like, so, then you don't know who I want.

1692
01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:55,759
Speaker 1: To be on first I can gloat and everyone awkward.

1693
01:13:55,800 --> 01:13:57,600
Speaker 2: Wait, wait, look at the poverty.

1694
01:14:01,240 --> 01:14:01,360
Speaker 10: Right.

1695
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:05,439
Speaker 1: So you remember, uh, when Bone Thugs and Harmony did

1696
01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:08,639
Speaker 1: the MTV Awards with the Horses the night the Horses

1697
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:14,479
Speaker 1: Empty Awards, they did cross Roads Across So we were

1698
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 1: that night with the Michael Jackson kiss with. So I

1699
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:25,280
Speaker 1: was on an airplane at JFK and like I had

1700
01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:28,240
Speaker 1: that moment with Bone Thugs and Harmony it was like

1701
01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:32,560
Speaker 1: you peasant, you and we like we went to the

1702
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:36,759
Speaker 1: coach section. We felt all bad about ourselves. Uncle Charles

1703
01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:40,160
Speaker 1: all the one, just like sitting first.

1704
01:14:43,160 --> 01:14:45,960
Speaker 10: That moment when the first class like damn.

1705
01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:51,200
Speaker 6: But it was just like you economy, like we were

1706
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:54,040
Speaker 6: peers and stuff, and you know we were no no, no,

1707
01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:56,479
Speaker 6: Like the security guard was like no, no, not not not

1708
01:14:56,640 --> 01:14:57,040
Speaker 6: right now.

1709
01:14:57,720 --> 01:15:01,600
Speaker 2: Damn. So it was.

1710
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:05,639
Speaker 1: Like yeah, so always we were sitting in the back,

1711
01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:08,559
Speaker 1: like watch, one day we're gonna ride first class. We're

1712
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:11,120
Speaker 1: gonna look down everyone when they walked past us. So

1713
01:15:11,240 --> 01:15:13,719
Speaker 1: to this day, we always make sure we pre board

1714
01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:15,559
Speaker 1: with the handicapped people to make sure that we.

1715
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:20,160
Speaker 10: Got better.

1716
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:24,200
Speaker 11: Well, I appreciate those sunglasses that you was wearing to

1717
01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:26,920
Speaker 11: make yourself feel like you wasn't really there, but we saw.

1718
01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:29,880
Speaker 2: First.

1719
01:15:30,280 --> 01:15:32,320
Speaker 10: I do some classes because like I might have been

1720
01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:36,559
Speaker 10: like a little sleepy little time sometimes like trying to

1721
01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:39,160
Speaker 10: you know, on the planes and one.

1722
01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:42,840
Speaker 2: Going to sleep. That's what.

1723
01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:45,080
Speaker 10: Yeah, I just I don't be wanting this too much.

1724
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:48,680
Speaker 6: Light people that have their you know, when I was

1725
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:51,679
Speaker 6: a kid, thing open up. Yeah, man, I was sitting

1726
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:53,880
Speaker 6: in front of a kid. I was like this kid,

1727
01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:57,160
Speaker 6: yeah you just seen the sun before.

1728
01:15:58,439 --> 01:16:00,760
Speaker 10: I needed to shake down, put the blanket over my head.

1729
01:16:00,760 --> 01:16:02,639
Speaker 10: I just be like, Johnason out, you're.

1730
01:16:02,479 --> 01:16:05,800
Speaker 1: One of those people, like I don't know if I

1731
01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:08,599
Speaker 1: trust that with You know, on a plane, on.

1732
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:10,200
Speaker 11: A plane like that, do a lot of white people

1733
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:12,120
Speaker 11: recognize you? How does that work? I was thinking that too.

1734
01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:13,559
Speaker 11: I was like, do you get them?

1735
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:16,960
Speaker 10: I mean, it's always we I don't know, it's like people, well, yes,

1736
01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:19,479
Speaker 10: a lot of white people for sure. Watch Master of None,

1737
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:22,519
Speaker 10: so like, you know, uh so they but it's weird.

1738
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:24,519
Speaker 10: But I sometimes you just see them. They they look,

1739
01:16:24,600 --> 01:16:26,240
Speaker 10: they acknowledge, and they go, oh, yeah, it's a girl.

1740
01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:28,280
Speaker 10: Sometimes they say hi. Sometimes they won't, but it's all good.

1741
01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:30,120
Speaker 10: Sometimes they'll come up this white story.

1742
01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:32,120
Speaker 9: The other was my man's name was on the flight

1743
01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:33,759
Speaker 9: with you from Hamilton. I know I should.

1744
01:16:35,160 --> 01:16:35,320
Speaker 10: So.

1745
01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:37,120
Speaker 9: The guy that sat beside me on the flight was like,

1746
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:38,720
Speaker 9: oh my god, did you see dib just sitting in

1747
01:16:38,720 --> 01:16:39,200
Speaker 9: the first class?

1748
01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:39,880
Speaker 10: But blah blah blah.

1749
01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:41,240
Speaker 11: I was like, did you see the lean a wait

1750
01:16:41,240 --> 01:16:42,439
Speaker 11: to sit in the first class? He was like, who's

1751
01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:43,639
Speaker 11: I was like, oh my gosh, she's the first black

1752
01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:48,720
Speaker 11: woman that I didn't.

1753
01:16:51,479 --> 01:16:59,920
Speaker 2: Oh ship you were.

1754
01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:01,680
Speaker 10: I mean even I said, was I don't know that.

1755
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:03,439
Speaker 10: I was like, what brother, figure out when you.

1756
01:17:03,479 --> 01:17:06,880
Speaker 6: Were talking about the Rady player one premiere and I

1757
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:08,360
Speaker 6: want to hear like your sir, because I had a

1758
01:17:08,360 --> 01:17:09,840
Speaker 6: friend that was there and she told me about like

1759
01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:10,400
Speaker 6: the sign.

1760
01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:14,120
Speaker 10: So speakers, we blew the speakers. It was like, it's

1761
01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:17,720
Speaker 10: like it's a very like big freaking movie. It's like

1762
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:20,519
Speaker 10: a blockbuster movie, that's what it is. And so Spielberg,

1763
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:22,559
Speaker 10: he fucking went in and it's like, so the speakers

1764
01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:24,920
Speaker 10: blew and a great The good news was everybody was

1765
01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:27,000
Speaker 10: so captivated that when the speakers of the sound went out,

1766
01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:29,640
Speaker 10: motherfuckers like lost that shit. They're like no, because a

1767
01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:32,240
Speaker 10: very critical point. And then we tried it again the

1768
01:17:32,280 --> 01:17:34,400
Speaker 10: sound still wouldn't play the like, oh my god. Then

1769
01:17:34,439 --> 01:17:36,479
Speaker 10: the third time when they played and the sound went through,

1770
01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:38,880
Speaker 10: like everybody like there was a I heard little like

1771
01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:41,040
Speaker 10: standing ovation because they were ready to see how the

1772
01:17:41,080 --> 01:17:43,599
Speaker 10: movie ended. But they it was just a phenomenal experience

1773
01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:45,360
Speaker 10: in the sit in the theater with those people and

1774
01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:47,559
Speaker 10: like as excited as they were. And obviously Stephen came

1775
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:50,240
Speaker 10: out and surprised everybody, but it was just a phenomenal,

1776
01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:51,000
Speaker 10: phenomenal energy.

1777
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:52,080
Speaker 2: Is that your first time watching it?

1778
01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:53,920
Speaker 10: That was my second time watching, but my second time

1779
01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:55,240
Speaker 10: watching it with the art it felt like the first

1780
01:17:55,240 --> 01:17:57,200
Speaker 10: time because first time you watched it you were at

1781
01:17:57,200 --> 01:17:59,320
Speaker 10: the Warner Brothers lot, Like there's like exacts and stuff,

1782
01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:02,160
Speaker 10: so it's like but seeing it with these people, like

1783
01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:03,200
Speaker 10: it blew my mind.

1784
01:18:03,320 --> 01:18:05,160
Speaker 8: It was out front the ship.

1785
01:18:05,200 --> 01:18:07,320
Speaker 10: Well, yeah, because Ernie Klindraw was a Dolorian. You pulled

1786
01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:08,640
Speaker 10: up in that motherfucker.

1787
01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:10,000
Speaker 9: And working with Steven Spielberg is like.

1788
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:12,160
Speaker 10: Heaven on her.

1789
01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:15,519
Speaker 6: Did you nerd out over the Delaurian or just over

1790
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:17,160
Speaker 6: working with Steven Spielberg.

1791
01:18:17,400 --> 01:18:20,439
Speaker 10: Well, here's the thing, you gotta play it cool. It's fine.

1792
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:21,880
Speaker 2: Have you ever nerd it?

1793
01:18:21,880 --> 01:18:26,040
Speaker 6: Because I imagine that you play cooler than thou with

1794
01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:27,439
Speaker 6: any situation that you're in.

1795
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:29,320
Speaker 1: Yes, and that gets you in the rooms better than

1796
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:32,519
Speaker 1: nerding that. But have you ever just lost your ship

1797
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:33,599
Speaker 1: over someone that you met?

1798
01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:36,000
Speaker 10: Like, you know, I kind of did a little bit

1799
01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:38,400
Speaker 10: with Hollie when I like, you know, it's funny because

1800
01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:39,840
Speaker 10: I had met her a couple of times, but like

1801
01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:42,719
Speaker 10: we were well, it's weird because she at that point

1802
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:44,639
Speaker 10: she knew me and she's like, ohlean, this is my friend.

1803
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:46,600
Speaker 10: I was like, what's uping It was Oscar night and

1804
01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:48,280
Speaker 10: we were at the Vanity Fair party. It was like

1805
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:50,720
Speaker 10: the Oscars had happened. Was after party, and I just

1806
01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:52,519
Speaker 10: I just have to tell her. I was like, your

1807
01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:56,760
Speaker 10: Oscar speech like really made me feel like I could

1808
01:18:56,800 --> 01:18:58,840
Speaker 10: do anything. And I was like, so for me to

1809
01:18:58,920 --> 01:19:02,479
Speaker 10: be a first on the Emmy stage, just I just

1810
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:03,880
Speaker 10: couldn't help but think of you, and I wanted to

1811
01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:06,120
Speaker 10: be as eloquent in my sweet as you were in yours,

1812
01:19:06,320 --> 01:19:09,280
Speaker 10: and that to me was like it was And then

1813
01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:12,120
Speaker 10: I just started saying like, yo, man, I own losing

1814
01:19:12,160 --> 01:19:13,120
Speaker 10: Isaiah on DVD.

1815
01:19:15,160 --> 01:19:17,240
Speaker 2: Just so you know.

1816
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:21,639
Speaker 10: I remember watching Alex Haley's Queen. She was so good

1817
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:23,200
Speaker 10: and I said, I said, I still can't believe you

1818
01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:27,160
Speaker 10: played the second field of Robin Gibbons and Boomerang and

1819
01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:29,519
Speaker 10: she was just like my fie was like, oh, here

1820
01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:31,720
Speaker 10: we go, like he just started coming out. I was

1821
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:34,599
Speaker 10: just like, bitch, you mean something to us, like you icon.

1822
01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:39,360
Speaker 10: She was like really, I was like yes, Like no,

1823
01:19:39,479 --> 01:19:43,639
Speaker 10: I think sometimes she's like what's up? No, thank you,

1824
01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:46,800
Speaker 10: she don't like She's like like I don't know what

1825
01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:47,040
Speaker 10: was it.

1826
01:19:47,200 --> 01:19:49,960
Speaker 9: I was like, Yo, Hallie A big deal.

1827
01:19:51,479 --> 01:19:55,479
Speaker 10: Yeah, I just think like your ass home. I was like, yo,

1828
01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:57,720
Speaker 10: how you mean a lot to us? And I was

1829
01:19:57,760 --> 01:20:00,320
Speaker 10: like you should always know that. She's like I see that.

1830
01:20:00,360 --> 01:20:02,040
Speaker 10: It's like thank you, but you could tell like she

1831
01:20:02,120 --> 01:20:04,240
Speaker 10: really was like, oh okay, like I appreciate that, but

1832
01:20:04,280 --> 01:20:06,519
Speaker 10: like she's still like she's dope and she has she's

1833
01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:08,680
Speaker 10: really had a really great career, continues to have a

1834
01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:10,840
Speaker 10: really dope career. But she's just amazing. She's amazing. So

1835
01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:12,240
Speaker 10: I geeked out. I geeked out on her.

1836
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:13,840
Speaker 9: I said the same thing to Summer.

1837
01:20:14,439 --> 01:20:17,400
Speaker 10: You know, I would geek out over Kree too, and

1838
01:20:17,439 --> 01:20:19,599
Speaker 10: I've met her like we've been at like nac BM,

1839
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:21,640
Speaker 10: MAJE wors together whatever. But if I had an opportunity,

1840
01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:24,120
Speaker 10: I was like, yo, Cree, Yo, I had that crush

1841
01:20:24,160 --> 01:20:28,640
Speaker 10: when you got with Ron, like the depressed.

1842
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:30,960
Speaker 9: That was an odd storyline. We talked about that. She

1843
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:32,000
Speaker 9: was like she was odd.

1844
01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:33,439
Speaker 10: I don't I.

1845
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:37,639
Speaker 9: Didn't, I did, I did. I didn't know. She went

1846
01:20:37,680 --> 01:20:39,160
Speaker 9: straight into a lawyer and then it.

1847
01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:41,320
Speaker 10: Was yo, I want to talk to you about but

1848
01:20:41,360 --> 01:20:43,639
Speaker 10: here's here's a realty. I think it actually made sense

1849
01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:45,680
Speaker 10: because it's kind of like that's how it is, this

1850
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:47,559
Speaker 10: person that can't you kind of can't stand and get

1851
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:49,599
Speaker 10: on your nerves. But also it made it's like they

1852
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:51,840
Speaker 10: were very different people when they were in college and

1853
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:54,040
Speaker 10: they didn't get together until after they both like graduated.

1854
01:20:54,120 --> 01:20:56,439
Speaker 10: I fucked although her and Shaza were lit her and

1855
01:20:56,479 --> 01:20:59,559
Speaker 10: Shaza but also her, I made. It was so made

1856
01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:01,360
Speaker 10: so much since like, of course, I mean they look

1857
01:21:01,439 --> 01:21:03,640
Speaker 10: like brothers and sister. So with her and Wrong, I

1858
01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:04,599
Speaker 10: thought it was kind of hot.

1859
01:21:05,280 --> 01:21:07,280
Speaker 6: I didn't get wrong because I don't. I just don't

1860
01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:09,080
Speaker 6: believe light skin on light skin love works.

1861
01:21:09,200 --> 01:21:10,120
Speaker 7: That's right, Like I.

1862
01:21:10,120 --> 01:21:12,360
Speaker 2: Just great theory.

1863
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:14,880
Speaker 10: I didn't like him and Kim. Him and Kim didn't

1864
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:18,559
Speaker 10: work at all like him, and you can tell that

1865
01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:19,760
Speaker 10: they that the writers were like this.

1866
01:21:22,479 --> 01:21:25,040
Speaker 9: I think it was.

1867
01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:29,280
Speaker 11: You know, Kim had lost all episode when she revealed

1868
01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:31,720
Speaker 11: herself and Jemma was.

1869
01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:37,000
Speaker 2: Fine, Steve, have you ever watched Different World?

1870
01:21:37,080 --> 01:21:37,120
Speaker 1: No?

1871
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:38,799
Speaker 7: No, it's too black and black?

1872
01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:41,720
Speaker 2: It is.

1873
01:21:41,920 --> 01:21:44,679
Speaker 10: It is really black. It's not as black as Amistard,

1874
01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:47,080
Speaker 10: but it's black. It's black.

1875
01:21:47,280 --> 01:21:50,759
Speaker 2: Wait is it on the iTunes? What a different world?

1876
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:56,679
Speaker 2: It's I think it's you. You can Okay.

1877
01:21:56,920 --> 01:22:00,920
Speaker 10: I watched all my TV and on Classic Classic.

1878
01:22:01,560 --> 01:22:02,439
Speaker 2: I watched the shot.

1879
01:22:02,439 --> 01:22:05,600
Speaker 6: I watched the first two episodes like I watched I

1880
01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:07,559
Speaker 6: think I watched first episodes over over your house when

1881
01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:10,519
Speaker 6: we were la and then finally when I knew you

1882
01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:11,880
Speaker 6: were coming, I was like, Okay, let me get the

1883
01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:14,439
Speaker 6: rest of them down, let me do my homework. You

1884
01:22:14,439 --> 01:22:15,800
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying, because I really did like the first

1885
01:22:15,800 --> 01:22:18,200
Speaker 6: two and I but then just like shit, So I

1886
01:22:18,240 --> 01:22:20,400
Speaker 6: was like one thing, I really like. It was one

1887
01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:22,719
Speaker 6: and you have the part of me because I'm terrible

1888
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:25,120
Speaker 6: with character names. I know the actors, but I know

1889
01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:28,120
Speaker 6: so one thing that really rang true to me. It

1890
01:22:28,200 --> 01:22:31,200
Speaker 6: was the scene where you showed the kid Alex the

1891
01:22:31,240 --> 01:22:36,599
Speaker 6: real yeah his uh scene where he's trying to get

1892
01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:39,400
Speaker 6: with the girl and he has a crush on the

1893
01:22:39,439 --> 01:22:41,960
Speaker 6: girl and so he goes to his sister and his

1894
01:22:42,080 --> 01:22:44,080
Speaker 6: sister is like, oh, you gotta respect women, you gotta

1895
01:22:44,120 --> 01:22:46,040
Speaker 6: do this and don't just tell her eyes pretty whatever.

1896
01:22:46,479 --> 01:22:49,960
Speaker 6: But then you showed another scene where he's riding with

1897
01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:55,559
Speaker 6: red and Redge tells him something completely that Shi it was.

1898
01:22:56,320 --> 01:23:00,120
Speaker 2: Girl, Yeah, And that like rang so true to me.

1899
01:23:00,280 --> 01:23:02,600
Speaker 6: Like as a kid, like as a boy, like you know,

1900
01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:07,360
Speaker 6: you'll see your mom might tell you one thing, your

1901
01:23:07,479 --> 01:23:08,840
Speaker 6: uncle got all the holes.

1902
01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:09,799
Speaker 2: It's like, well.

1903
01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:15,439
Speaker 10: Yeah, well yeah. And I think that's what we really

1904
01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:17,679
Speaker 10: try to do is just try to like be as

1905
01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:21,439
Speaker 10: honest and as authentic as we possibly can and and

1906
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:23,400
Speaker 10: just really show like black life. And I feel like

1907
01:23:23,439 --> 01:23:26,360
Speaker 10: that's a part of it. Like dudes, don't they learned

1908
01:23:26,360 --> 01:23:29,000
Speaker 10: about how to be with women from other dudes. And

1909
01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:31,120
Speaker 10: we feel like Red who was sort of like, you know,

1910
01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:33,200
Speaker 10: he's that dude, He's a runner. He out here, you know,

1911
01:23:33,200 --> 01:23:35,479
Speaker 10: working with people, and he we feel like, what would

1912
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:37,320
Speaker 10: he say to a car full of three one of

1913
01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:39,000
Speaker 10: the ones of the Little Brothers and other boys, and

1914
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:40,640
Speaker 10: we feel like this is what he was us, Like

1915
01:23:40,680 --> 01:23:41,519
Speaker 10: he was like.

1916
01:23:41,439 --> 01:23:43,439
Speaker 9: Man, these kids are shining.

1917
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:48,760
Speaker 10: Oh those kids are phenomenal and real Chicago boy, you know,

1918
01:23:49,320 --> 01:23:51,759
Speaker 10: and just a lot of personality, a lot of swag

1919
01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:54,200
Speaker 10: and we and they really we're grateful to them because

1920
01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:55,920
Speaker 10: that's when we get to have the levity. But also,

1921
01:23:55,960 --> 01:23:57,400
Speaker 10: you know, we deal with the real ship, you know,

1922
01:23:57,439 --> 01:23:59,640
Speaker 10: with the character of Jake, who is obviously sort of

1923
01:24:00,280 --> 01:24:03,240
Speaker 10: his bigger brother, where we see how the gangsters are born.

1924
01:24:03,400 --> 01:24:05,280
Speaker 10: You know a lot of people think like, oh yeah,

1925
01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:06,800
Speaker 10: this little black boy is born with like guns in

1926
01:24:06,840 --> 01:24:10,439
Speaker 10: their hands. We're like, no, it's it's it's nurture, you know,

1927
01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:12,800
Speaker 10: not nature it And I think that's sort of my

1928
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Speaker 10: you know, my mission to show and also sometimes you

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Speaker 10: can have you can be a part of that environment

1930
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Speaker 10: and go the opposite way. Whenever people get all freaked

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Speaker 10: out about Chicago, I'm like, I'm a I'm a part

1932
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Speaker 10: of Chicago. So it's a chance. So it's common. So

1933
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Speaker 10: Jennifer Hudson, you know, so it's like we So it's

1934
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Speaker 10: Quincy Jones, you know what I mean. So it's like easy,

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Speaker 10: you know, like we That's also what that environment can

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Speaker 10: produce as well.

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Speaker 6: There was one uh, I'll just a question. I can't

1938
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Speaker 6: aget his name, Stephen Uh from swin Jump Street. We

1939
01:24:39,680 --> 01:24:45,240
Speaker 6: always just who how did y'all get him? Because he's

1940
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Speaker 6: my favorite character. He kills every fucking scene he's I

1941
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Speaker 6: love him.

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Speaker 10: Well, we kind of really wanted, Like those kind of

1943
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Speaker 10: guys used to be around my house. I live with

1944
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Speaker 10: my grandmother coming up, so those kind of cats are

1945
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Speaker 10: always around my How these old dudes who were like

1946
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Speaker 10: you know who you know where of the silk shirts

1947
01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:04,200
Speaker 10: and the fedoras and whatever. I think they too cool

1948
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Speaker 10: for school. And so I really kind of wanted to

1949
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Speaker 10: have that element of Chicago, like that kind of like

1950
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Speaker 10: O g like who used to run the streets? Yeah,

1951
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Speaker 10: I always know the Pam's rich boyfriend from the episode

1952
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Speaker 10: of Martin. You know, he's like the skybo. Yeah, we

1953
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Speaker 10: all have street but like, but I was like, we

1954
01:25:34,400 --> 01:25:37,120
Speaker 10: gotta have that element of like what Chicago streets used

1955
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Speaker 10: to be, Like there was a cold, there was an

1956
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Speaker 10: honor because we kept hearing that from a lot of

1957
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Speaker 10: We would just talk to like cats of Chicago maybe

1958
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Speaker 10: who've been, you know, in the streets or whatever, and

1959
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:46,960
Speaker 10: they were like, there used to be a code and

1960
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Speaker 10: like now there isn't and that's a difference. And so

1961
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Speaker 10: we kind of want to show that character. And you'll

1962
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Speaker 10: see how now if you if you're caught up, you

1963
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Speaker 10: know how he's connected to the story. I'm not gonna

1964
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Speaker 10: talk about it. But and then the finale is you

1965
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Speaker 10: liked him? Like the finale's gonna really be dope that

1966
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Speaker 10: I was.

1967
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Speaker 1: Going to ask how in the in the age of

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Speaker 1: the policy, the political climate we're in now where people

1969
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Speaker 1: are so quick to say what about Chicago, like they're

1970
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Speaker 1: really concerned about Chicago. I mean, how heavy does that

1971
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Speaker 1: weigh on your mind when you're as far as how

1972
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Speaker 1: this show is presented to us. Because even for me,

1973
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Speaker 1: maybe the first five minutes when I started watching the pilot,

1974
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Speaker 1: part of me was like, Okay, I'm waiting for I'm

1975
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Speaker 1: waiting for the curtuitist violence. That's just what we know,

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Speaker 1: you know.

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Speaker 6: And actually, what what were your opinions as a Chicago filmmaker,

1978
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Speaker 6: What were your opinions on Shirak?

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Speaker 10: Well, I mean, here's the thing. It's like, I feel

1980
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Speaker 10: like everybody has a right.

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Speaker 2: Spike's been on the show before, so he knows we

1982
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Speaker 2: have a beef with it.

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Speaker 10: But oh wow, okay, well look, I mean at the

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Speaker 10: end of the day, and I'm sure I'm not the

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Speaker 10: first person to say this, but I wouldn't be sitting

1986
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Speaker 10: here if it warn't a Spike, you know, like I

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Speaker 10: watch shit and like, you know, it's like that's this.

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Speaker 10: We're all his sons and daughters, whether we like it

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Speaker 10: or not. And my thing is, he has a right

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Speaker 10: to tell a story about Chicago. The tough thing is

1991
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Speaker 10: is like you're gonna get a unique story from him

1992
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Speaker 10: because he's not from there. Like if I told a

1993
01:27:15,160 --> 01:27:18,120
Speaker 10: story about New York, it may not feel one hundred

1994
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Speaker 10: percent like New York because I ain't come up, you know,

1995
01:27:20,320 --> 01:27:22,960
Speaker 10: over here. So I think, and I think what he

1996
01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:24,920
Speaker 10: was trying to do was just bring attention to what

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01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:27,000
Speaker 10: was going on. And also he did it through his

1998
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Speaker 10: lens and through his vibe and how he gets down.

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Speaker 10: So I would never attack the movie. I just think

2000
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Speaker 10: for me when I again, mine's not a movie, it's

2001
01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:38,599
Speaker 10: a series, but this is Chicago through my lens, And

2002
01:27:38,680 --> 01:27:41,320
Speaker 10: I think both are valid. But people can also have

2003
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:43,120
Speaker 10: a right to say I don't fuck with shy Iraq

2004
01:27:43,160 --> 01:27:45,040
Speaker 10: and I fuck with the shot. That's their right. Or

2005
01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:46,800
Speaker 10: some people may say I don't really fuck with the shot.

2006
01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:49,360
Speaker 10: I like sh Iraq more. That's their prerogative. So I

2007
01:27:49,400 --> 01:27:51,679
Speaker 10: think ultimately we all have a right to make story,

2008
01:27:51,800 --> 01:27:53,920
Speaker 10: to make a movie or a TV show about a

2009
01:27:53,960 --> 01:27:56,840
Speaker 10: particular place. I think it's just a matter of you know,

2010
01:27:56,960 --> 01:27:58,840
Speaker 10: I want to just my shit. I want to be

2011
01:27:58,960 --> 01:28:02,880
Speaker 10: grounded as fuck, real as fuck. That was my mission.

2012
01:28:03,000 --> 01:28:04,800
Speaker 10: I was like, how can I make sure? And also

2013
01:28:04,800 --> 01:28:06,360
Speaker 10: I think there's ways we could be better about that

2014
01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:09,040
Speaker 10: in season two, and that's my mission as well, to

2015
01:28:09,120 --> 01:28:10,920
Speaker 10: make it blacker, to make it more authentic, to make

2016
01:28:10,920 --> 01:28:14,479
Speaker 10: it more rooted in the city, because that's my goal

2017
01:28:14,640 --> 01:28:18,400
Speaker 10: is just to get a really accurate snapshot of the city,

2018
01:28:18,680 --> 01:28:21,439
Speaker 10: not a super positive one, not a super violent one,

2019
01:28:21,439 --> 01:28:23,240
Speaker 10: because we don't shot away from violence on the show,

2020
01:28:23,240 --> 01:28:25,479
Speaker 10: like we we approach it, but.

2021
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Speaker 2: It's not super violent. It didn't feel explctated.

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01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:31,840
Speaker 10: I'm just like, that's not all Chicago is. You know,

2023
01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:35,120
Speaker 10: Chicago's also block parties. Chicago's also little kids, you know,

2024
01:28:35,560 --> 01:28:37,519
Speaker 10: not crossing certain blocks. That was a big thing for me.

2025
01:28:37,560 --> 01:28:38,840
Speaker 10: Like my mom was like, okay, you can't go past

2026
01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:40,320
Speaker 10: that street, Like okay, So I want to incorporate that

2027
01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:42,439
Speaker 10: into the show. It's full of grandmother's you know, it's

2028
01:28:42,479 --> 01:28:46,760
Speaker 10: full of like you know, it's like all little Hall's chicken.

2029
01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:48,519
Speaker 10: You know, it's like and you got people. Because this

2030
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Speaker 10: was my experience where people who were in the community

2031
01:28:50,920 --> 01:28:53,160
Speaker 10: who I wasn't related to, feel very much like my

2032
01:28:53,240 --> 01:28:55,120
Speaker 10: family because they saw me come up, they would like

2033
01:28:55,160 --> 01:28:57,240
Speaker 10: look out for me. They contribute to my college fund,

2034
01:28:57,439 --> 01:28:58,840
Speaker 10: like all that kind of stuff. I think That's the

2035
01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:00,800
Speaker 10: thing I really want to get across Chicago is that

2036
01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:03,479
Speaker 10: we really are very familiar with very much like a community.

2037
01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:05,640
Speaker 10: Anybody ever been in Chicago, Like it feels like a

2038
01:29:05,680 --> 01:29:07,960
Speaker 10: small town. And I think the same that people don't

2039
01:29:07,960 --> 01:29:09,160
Speaker 10: get when they watch show.

2040
01:29:09,040 --> 01:29:12,439
Speaker 6: Where they were in uh where miss Ethel is talking to.

2041
01:29:13,160 --> 01:29:17,000
Speaker 2: I can't remember the other the nurse mom his mom

2042
01:29:17,080 --> 01:29:19,840
Speaker 2: and she's like, get me my uh my cigarettes. I

2043
01:29:19,960 --> 01:29:20,720
Speaker 2: knew what it was.

2044
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Speaker 6: I was like, yeah, and she and you know, she

2045
01:29:22,840 --> 01:29:24,559
Speaker 6: thought she had some cigarettes, but that was where she

2046
01:29:24,640 --> 01:29:25,600
Speaker 6: kept her money.

2047
01:29:25,960 --> 01:29:28,280
Speaker 10: That was so my grandmother, you know what I'm saying.

2048
01:29:28,760 --> 01:29:32,200
Speaker 2: Not with banks was straight up no.

2049
01:29:32,479 --> 01:29:34,320
Speaker 10: And and I think, and that's to me, there's a

2050
01:29:34,400 --> 01:29:36,880
Speaker 10: homeliness that I'm trying to bring to the show and

2051
01:29:36,880 --> 01:29:38,639
Speaker 10: to show people the city and they just haven't seen

2052
01:29:38,640 --> 01:29:40,519
Speaker 10: before it because it's like I'm from there, Like I

2053
01:29:40,560 --> 01:29:42,720
Speaker 10: know those people. My mom still lives there, you know,

2054
01:29:42,960 --> 01:29:45,600
Speaker 10: My family's sill in Chicago. So I'm always gonna have

2055
01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:47,360
Speaker 10: a connection to it in a way that just other

2056
01:29:47,400 --> 01:29:50,479
Speaker 10: filmmakers just won't. And that's cool question.

2057
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Speaker 7: When are you gonna execut, produce the two one five?

2058
01:29:58,920 --> 01:30:01,479
Speaker 10: Look at him speechless welcome back to chat.

2059
01:30:04,880 --> 01:30:07,360
Speaker 1: I have enough on my on my plate. I'm still

2060
01:30:07,400 --> 01:30:09,519
Speaker 1: trying to exact produce get a piece.

2061
01:30:09,320 --> 01:30:14,840
Speaker 2: Of a chat with Sugar so uh, well, you know,

2062
01:30:15,520 --> 01:30:17,360
Speaker 2: I do you have anything else?

2063
01:30:17,360 --> 01:30:17,840
Speaker 9: I do not.

2064
01:30:18,160 --> 01:30:19,519
Speaker 10: She's about two on five.

2065
01:30:20,720 --> 01:30:23,080
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, I'm good. Okay, thank you for all

2066
01:30:23,120 --> 01:30:23,599
Speaker 2: you do is.

2067
01:30:24,560 --> 01:30:26,599
Speaker 9: I was about to say that, thank you, Lena. Please

2068
01:30:26,640 --> 01:30:28,240
Speaker 9: don't go anywhere.

2069
01:30:27,800 --> 01:30:29,280
Speaker 10: I ain't going to where I might back up. You

2070
01:30:29,280 --> 01:30:30,800
Speaker 10: may not see my favorite. You always hear my work.

2071
01:30:30,840 --> 01:30:32,120
Speaker 9: I just want to hear your voice as long as

2072
01:30:32,120 --> 01:30:33,200
Speaker 9: I can hear your voice.

2073
01:30:33,920 --> 01:30:37,679
Speaker 10: Coming back on the on the podcasting that keep doing it.

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01:30:37,800 --> 01:30:39,960
Speaker 2: Well, We thank you very much for coming on the show,

2075
01:30:40,680 --> 01:30:41,080
Speaker 2: having me.

2076
01:30:42,760 --> 01:30:46,200
Speaker 6: And on behalf of Sugar Steve host of a Chat

2077
01:30:46,200 --> 01:30:48,400
Speaker 6: with Sugar Bill.

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Speaker 2: At the top, a little bit proprior of no news

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Speaker 2: is good news.

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01:30:54,880 --> 01:30:58,760
Speaker 1: And also it's like yeah, uh and thank you Leana

2081
01:30:58,800 --> 01:30:59,559
Speaker 1: for coming on the show.

2082
01:31:00,040 --> 01:31:03,000
Speaker 2: This quest love, We will see you or the next

2083
01:31:03,040 --> 01:31:06,559
Speaker 2: go round and shout out to Boss Bill. Yeah better boss,

2084
01:31:06,920 --> 01:31:15,840
Speaker 2: go to Urgent Ken around, Craig mack Man, all right,

2085
01:31:16,080 --> 01:31:19,599
Speaker 2: and the other guy good day okay, Ephen.

2086
01:31:19,360 --> 01:31:25,040
Speaker 10: Hawking, Yeah, only on this podcast with crag back back

2087
01:31:25,080 --> 01:31:26,920
Speaker 10: and that white dude who knew the sign.

2088
01:31:29,439 --> 01:31:29,919
Speaker 9: Simpsons.

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01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:31,240
Speaker 2: Hey man, you can do that, sience.

2090
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:38,479
Speaker 6: Oh my god, wait, wait time out, Just wait a minute.

2091
01:31:40,360 --> 01:31:43,120
Speaker 2: You're Stephen Hawking references from his episode of The Simpsons.

2092
01:31:43,280 --> 01:31:46,120
Speaker 9: Wow, I don't I knew who he was before you got.

2093
01:31:45,960 --> 01:31:51,200
Speaker 2: A movie black. I love the theory of it.

2094
01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:55,960
Speaker 6: Can't even I already shut down my machine. That is

2095
01:31:56,000 --> 01:31:59,519
Speaker 6: awesome anyway, all right, yeah, shout outs to Craig mac

2096
01:31:59,600 --> 01:32:04,439
Speaker 6: and Steven Hawkin and Matt Dyke, Delictens, Vinyl.

2097
01:32:04,760 --> 01:32:08,320
Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah, so we will. This is the only podcast

2098
01:32:08,360 --> 01:32:09,479
Speaker 1: to close off on that.

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01:32:12,800 --> 01:32:14,719
Speaker 10: It's so lucky you would like shout out the Craig

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Speaker 10: Man like no r I P.

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Speaker 6: Yes, all right, I feel like boss bield a gangst

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01:32:21,040 --> 01:32:22,439
Speaker 6: lean by d r s and posts.

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Speaker 10: All right, we'll see all the next direct.

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01:32:40,200 --> 01:32:42,920
Speaker 2: West Love Supreme. It is a production of iHeart Radio.

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Speaker 1: This classic episode was produced by the team at Pandora.

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