WEBVTT - GEOR-JAW Drop! | Next Gen: NYC Recap with Ryan Bailey 

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<v Speaker 1>Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your

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<v Speaker 1>favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey

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<v Speaker 1>and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and

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<v Speaker 1>Bell Collective. Every episode we recap reality television from the

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<v Speaker 1>Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in

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<v Speaker 1>addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or

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<v Speaker 1>scripted as well. Hey, rain drops on today's episode of

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<v Speaker 1>Reality with the King. I'm here from my God. We

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<v Speaker 1>haven't seen each other in a long time. I know

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<v Speaker 1>here and that is too long, but give it up

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<v Speaker 1>for the amazing Ryan Bailey's one up.

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<v Speaker 2>Brain drops Carlos really quick. I just want to say

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<v Speaker 2>one thing about podcasting. The homes, the cars, the money,

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<v Speaker 2>I've had, all of it. There was nothing in podcasting

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<v Speaker 2>that anybody could do that would impress and if you

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<v Speaker 2>look at it, I came in my first year as

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<v Speaker 2>a podcast host and I really set the standard for

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of these raggedy ass podcasts.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Ry, okay, so ray job.

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<v Speaker 4>In case you have been living under rock, my exclusive

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<v Speaker 4>interview one on one with Kelly Potter from the Real

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<v Speaker 4>Housewide of Atlanta drop recently and it has like broke

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<v Speaker 4>the internet.

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<v Speaker 1>I had no idea what well Ryan Belly did. He

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<v Speaker 1>re enacted a SoundBite from Kelly setting the standard. But

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<v Speaker 1>this genius knew how to incorporate podcasting in the dialogue.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, by the way, if you have not,

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<v Speaker 2>and I know a lot of people listen to this,

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<v Speaker 2>but go watch it because you'll watch Carlos's It's in

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<v Speaker 2>Carlos's silence. Is the brilliance of it because he goes, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>and then he just lets Kelly speak, which is so amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>And Kelly, you know, is like a great guest because

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<v Speaker 2>she speaks a lot. And then you, I mean, it

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<v Speaker 2>says so much work because I think I would have

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<v Speaker 2>just probably railroaded over her and you just let her go.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was so brilliant. And I've been watching that clip,

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<v Speaker 2>I think at least twenty times in the last day.

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<v Speaker 2>I was so in love with that clip.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh God, Ryan, what is so fascinating. First of all,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you, is the fact that I was talking to

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<v Speaker 1>my friends yesterday I'm like watching, Oh, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>you and I have something in common. What we have

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<v Speaker 1>a love to hate with Kate Fear.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, by the way, the season finale is tomorrow

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm so excited. It is such an insanely horrible

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<v Speaker 2>show that I can't stop watching. It's so ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 1>No, Ryan, I thought to myself, why am I watching this?

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's so dumb, But it's it's whatever. The

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<v Speaker 1>point is, I was watching Apple TV. I'm watching the

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<v Speaker 1>new so Lucky is it worth it? So I love

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<v Speaker 1>well listen with the grain of salt because we both

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<v Speaker 1>love to hate watching k Fair So Lucky is good.

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<v Speaker 1>The thing is this disclaimer I can't stop watching it.

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<v Speaker 1>Disclaimer is this is beyond unrealistic. It's like every episode

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<v Speaker 1>ron you're gonna say that's not realistic, like the Cat

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<v Speaker 1>and Mouse game, So is a cat a mouse? I'll

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<v Speaker 1>leave it at that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean Apple TV has like some of the

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<v Speaker 2>best shows with the best talent, and then they do

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<v Speaker 2>not advertise it at all. So it's like weird, Like

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<v Speaker 2>you kind of think they must be like smuggling money

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<v Speaker 2>through their TV shows in some way because you don't

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<v Speaker 2>ever understand, Like you're like you go to Apple TV

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<v Speaker 2>homepage and you're like, I haven't heard about a dozen

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<v Speaker 2>of these shows and they have the best actors in it.

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<v Speaker 2>So it is really weird the shows that like actually

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<v Speaker 2>break through on Apple TV. But yeah, Cape Fear is something.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like the best actors in a completely you want

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about unrealistic watch Cape Fear.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yes, yeah, it's very campy and and but but

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<v Speaker 1>I'll say this before we get to the next jan

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<v Speaker 1>My favorite show of the year on Apple TV. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna butcher the name, but a start with maximum.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh a maximum pleasure guaranteed.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you watched it?

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's on my I have a list a mile

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<v Speaker 2>long of shows to watch and that's like next on

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<v Speaker 2>my list because I'm trying to get through the boys

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<v Speaker 2>right now on Amazon.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, you're gonna love it because the lead actress is Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>listen to me, she's a complete unknown.

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<v Speaker 2>She's a great She's like she did this what was

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<v Speaker 2>this series? Overseas? Uh, I'm forgetting it, but she's and

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<v Speaker 2>she also played she Hulk on Marvel TV. On Marvels. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Tatiana Marcela or something like that or.

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<v Speaker 1>Something like that. But the reason why I love it

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<v Speaker 1>too is well, I do love this show, but I

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<v Speaker 1>like the fact that I can escape through her eyes,

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<v Speaker 1>that she's the lead actress and she's great. So I

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<v Speaker 1>highly recommend that that one is not a hate watch.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that one was a sleeper hit. But Ryan's right,

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<v Speaker 1>Apple TV doesn't promote anything. I was perusic through Apple

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<v Speaker 1>TV one night and I'm like, I guess I'll watch

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<v Speaker 1>this and I'll get sucked into it. So yeah, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>hate watch kte Fear, but I recommend lucky with Is

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<v Speaker 1>it Anna Taylor Joy?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that Anya Taylor Joy? Is that? Yeah? She's she's awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>She's so good. She's good. Okay, speaking of awesome, we

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<v Speaker 1>have to get into next gen. And the best thing

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<v Speaker 1>about this recap is the fact that we have the

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<v Speaker 1>reunion seating charge to talk about. So rain Drops, listen up.

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<v Speaker 1>If you happen to be watching this, you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>see it yourself. Okay. So Ryan, Yeah, they are recording

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<v Speaker 1>the reunion today and check this out. This is the

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<v Speaker 1>seating chart.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm surprised Andy is so close. That's interesting. He got

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<v Speaker 2>It's amazing, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>On Arianna's side, Arianna's first chair, followed by Emira Okay, Liam, Giya, Riley,

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<v Speaker 1>and Brooks. Okay, on the other side, first chair is Charlie,

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<v Speaker 1>followed by Ava Dash. What's this guy's shy shy Georgia.

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<v Speaker 2>I always I always call her Landing, but her it's

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<v Speaker 2>Brookshields a Rowan Rowan.

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<v Speaker 1>Roman, thank you. And then Hudson.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah right, well, I mean Brooks Brooks being final chair

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<v Speaker 2>on that other side across from Hudson. But I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't disagree with it. I just think, man, like

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Riley even beat you on that side of

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<v Speaker 2>the table. But I mean for all intents and purposes,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, Hudson and arian nur are supposedly together again now,

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<v Speaker 2>but then in the midseason trailer that we see at

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<v Speaker 2>the end, she hooked up with Charlie, which is like,

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<v Speaker 2>it blows my mind, she hooked up with Charlie.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, it's it's insane, It's insane. So listen, Arianna having

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<v Speaker 1>first chair makes sense to me. So Ryan, you know

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<v Speaker 1>my my my background. I did Atlanta Housewives Season one.

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<v Speaker 1>I met Arianna, the daughter of Kim Berraman. She at

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<v Speaker 1>that time Kim Zosiak. She had to be maybe nine,

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<v Speaker 1>so to see her bloss some into this beautiful young woman.

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<v Speaker 1>To me, and I've said his own record, Ryan, Arianna

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<v Speaker 1>to me is my absolute favorite on this show.

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<v Speaker 2>I have to say, you know, setting aside their parents.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, she is so well put together. She has

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<v Speaker 2>impressed me. I don't think I fully knew her, and

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<v Speaker 2>she is turning out to be one of my breakouts,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, in this show. I think the only thing

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<v Speaker 2>that strike against her is that she hooks up with

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<v Speaker 2>Charlie in the second half of the season. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>my god, how many times are we gonna watch these

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<v Speaker 2>shows and go stay away from guys like this? Charlie

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<v Speaker 2>is complete. Like I understand the camera loves Charlie. I

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<v Speaker 2>love Charlie in a sense as I kind of that

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<v Speaker 2>bad boy that obviously doesn't shower. But like Arianna, you're smart.

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<v Speaker 2>What are you doing? You know Liam's after you as well.

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<v Speaker 2>You're still figuring out things with Hudson. But Charlie, it

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<v Speaker 2>just goes to show, dude, women sometimes make the worst

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<v Speaker 2>choices imaginable. But I can't wait to see it on

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<v Speaker 2>the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey wait, I do. Though I felt like Georgia should

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<v Speaker 1>have been at least second chair. I'm shocked she's so

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, she's in the middle but Georgia to me,

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<v Speaker 1>was the villain of a season, and she kept moving

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<v Speaker 1>story forward. I mean Riley stopped filming after that incident.

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<v Speaker 1>We haven't seen her in the past two episodes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, in No. In this episode, she has a brief

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<v Speaker 2>moment where she says she's been in Atlanta and things

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<v Speaker 2>are cheaper in Atlanta, and that was like pretty much

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<v Speaker 2>all we saw from Riley. But I agree with you, Georgia,

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<v Speaker 2>I think should be higher up there. George is. Another

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<v Speaker 2>breakout for me is that you know, you wouldn't think it,

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<v Speaker 2>but your eyes are kind of drawn to her and

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<v Speaker 2>just the amount of insanity that comes out of her

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<v Speaker 2>mouth at a very slow pace, but you're kind of

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<v Speaker 2>drawn into everything that she says. Like I still crack

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<v Speaker 2>up about her going like I want to do a

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<v Speaker 2>club named club Club, and I'm like, that's so dumb,

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<v Speaker 2>But at the same time, I can't stop saying club club.

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<v Speaker 2>I love her. I think she's perfect for reality television.

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<v Speaker 1>I think she is too. I think she is too.

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<v Speaker 1>But no, I'm looking forward to this reunion. We have

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<v Speaker 1>to get into the most recent episode. Listen, I have

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<v Speaker 1>said this too. I wasn't going to watch this show right.

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<v Speaker 1>I did not watch season one because I felt like,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not about demographic. I don't know if I'll be

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<v Speaker 1>into it. It's gonna be too cheesy. This show is

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<v Speaker 1>actually really good, and I'm so happy that I get

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<v Speaker 1>to recap it with you because you've been watching this

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<v Speaker 1>in season one season one.

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<v Speaker 2>But I also you know, and I'm glad you really

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<v Speaker 2>like it. But I would argue for anybody that's like

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<v Speaker 2>tentative about this show is that there is something comforting

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<v Speaker 2>in the fact that they are so young, so you

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<v Speaker 2>can watch it. You know. They put it on directly

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<v Speaker 2>after The Valley, and The Valley's like where you like

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<v Speaker 2>wash up and you die and you're like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>life didn't go the way we thought it would. But

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<v Speaker 2>on Next Gen you're like, Okay, they're young, they're making

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<v Speaker 2>stupid mistakes. I remember being that young, and so it's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of there's there's a levity to that even though

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<v Speaker 2>they're taking their given circumstances very seriously, we're all kind

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<v Speaker 2>of laughing at them in a way, but at the

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<v Speaker 2>same time, you're like, these are very real struggles for them.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think it is the perfect amount of like

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't You're not arguing overall about huge issues like

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<v Speaker 2>is Danny an alcoholic? Is Danny essay? You know, there's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of big questions when you watch the show

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<v Speaker 2>in the Valley. In fact, Next Gen should come before

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<v Speaker 2>The Valley on Wednesday nights, you know, and like afterwards,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like a palate cleanser after intensity. But yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>think for me is to show you that, Yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you didn't think you would get into but I think

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<v Speaker 2>anybody that watches it, there's a certain charm that really

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<v Speaker 2>creeps up on you with this show.

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<v Speaker 1>It really it has For me, I can't get enough

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<v Speaker 1>of it. We have to pick up where things left

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<v Speaker 1>off in the last episode. So one of the most

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<v Speaker 1>controversial things that has happened on this show is the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that Charlie allegedly referred to Amra, who is a

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<v Speaker 1>transgender woman her boyfriend Kevin as a gay male. Georgia

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<v Speaker 1>told Amera this, she of course freaks out, gets pissed,

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<v Speaker 1>takes off her mic a whole nine yards. What I

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<v Speaker 1>do want to explain to the audience, because I know

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<v Speaker 1>that I've read some comments that people were they wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to know the gravity of this situation why it hit

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<v Speaker 1>so hard in terms of why was Emera so upset

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<v Speaker 1>that Charlie referred to her boyfriend as gay. So, what

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<v Speaker 1>I want to say for those who don't know, and

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<v Speaker 1>the beauty of these conversations to me, Ryan is the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that we get to be informative because a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people who are a part of the community, the

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<v Speaker 1>lgbt QY plus community, they don't know and even those

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<v Speaker 1>within it doesn't doesn't know as much because a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of new information has been presented. So the reason why

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<v Speaker 1>Amara was upset and the reason why it's so controversial

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<v Speaker 1>and they're saying it is transphobic, is because Amara is

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<v Speaker 1>a transgender woman, so she identifies as a woman. So

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<v Speaker 1>Kevin dating her and you're saying Kevin likes gay men.

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<v Speaker 1>What you're what you're implying is that Ameer is a

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<v Speaker 1>man and she has to be a gay man. That's

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<v Speaker 1>the implication. So I wanted to explain to everybody that's

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<v Speaker 1>why a mirror freaked out, got upset rightfully so, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's why Charlie is in the hot seat. What we

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<v Speaker 1>learned in this episode was Georgia talking about doing it,

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<v Speaker 1>and look, she felt that it's the truth, but I

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<v Speaker 1>could have maybe done in a different setting. What did

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<v Speaker 1>you think about that? Like, I don't know if I

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<v Speaker 1>agree in terms of if the setting was wrong and

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<v Speaker 1>this could be me being a producer, you felt that

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<v Speaker 1>way in the moment, it was an opportunity to address it.

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<v Speaker 1>She did it, and I don't feel like she should

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<v Speaker 1>be scolded for where she said it. We should be

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<v Speaker 1>focusing on more and I feel like the ball was

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<v Speaker 1>dropping this episode. We'll get to that later. We're not

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<v Speaker 1>they're not, excuse me, focus on the fact that Charlie

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<v Speaker 1>said something, Yeah, that was wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, this is why Charlie's brilliant. Though he very definitely

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<v Speaker 2>meets with Amira in the latter half of the episode

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<v Speaker 2>and he does what he does like a very trumpyan thing.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, come on, we both know, like when you

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<v Speaker 2>start off, like, we both know you're saying, we're both

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<v Speaker 2>You're smart enough and I'm smart enough to know that

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<v Speaker 2>the reason she brought this up is because of her

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<v Speaker 2>intense hatred of me, and so he definitely moves past

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<v Speaker 2>any sort of personal responsibility because at the end of

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<v Speaker 2>the day, he knows he said it. We know he

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<v Speaker 2>said it, and he's like I could have said something

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<v Speaker 2>like that, but let's focus on how bad Georgia is.

0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:38.560
<v Speaker 2>And Emira is wanting to believe this man that she

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<v Speaker 2>has been friends with for a very long time. But

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was such a quick move. And then

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<v Speaker 2>he also like hit it secondly, like you want to

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<v Speaker 2>see that this person feels something, and he goes, when

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<v Speaker 2>I saw how sad your face was, it is stayed

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<v Speaker 2>with me. It is stayed with me. And she ate

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<v Speaker 2>that up and I'm like, this man is just a

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<v Speaker 2>scrawnier version of jaxx Taylor on the East Coast. Like

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<v Speaker 2>this is like we're building a better boat in a way.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I think Charlie is so manipulative in this. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't care. But if you watch the first season, there

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<v Speaker 2>is a scene where Georgia, I think it's Georgia has

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<v Speaker 2>his his not his boombox, but his his speaker system

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<v Speaker 2>and it's like a small speaker and he's like, give

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<v Speaker 2>me back my speaker and he like is really pissed

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<v Speaker 2>off about it, and you just see him sadly skateboarding

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<v Speaker 2>around trying to get his speaker back, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>that's Charlie, you know. It's like he can't deal with

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<v Speaker 2>his emotions or the fact that his parents don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to hang out with him, so he focuses on like

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<v Speaker 2>things like money or a speaker. And you just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of saw this struggle of this kind of sad younger

0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:44.440
<v Speaker 2>man trying to find his place in the world. But

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<v Speaker 2>I think you listen, this is a power. This is

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<v Speaker 2>like the battle of wills, and he has the stronger

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<v Speaker 2>will than Georgia. And it's funny because this man continually

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<v Speaker 2>does bad things, but he's able to win in most

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<v Speaker 2>one on one conversations.

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<v Speaker 1>This reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>get back into the show. It was it was pure

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<v Speaker 1>gaslighting to me watching this and even before they met

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that when Amara was talking to Brooks and

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<v Speaker 1>Ava and she read the text that Georgia sent, which

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<v Speaker 1>she apologized right like I could have done this differently,

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<v Speaker 1>she's she's upset about that, which, again, your feelings are

0:16:30.920 --> 0:16:36.920
<v Speaker 1>your feelings. I even then, Ryan was so surprised that

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<v Speaker 1>the ants seemed to be more relegated to Georgia and

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<v Speaker 1>not to Charlie, who said, like, even in that moment, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and listen, whether or not you guys have been close

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<v Speaker 1>for seven eight years, which to me that's shocking based

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<v Speaker 1>on who Charlie appears to be on the show. I

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<v Speaker 1>do feel like Georgia is getting a bad rep with

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<v Speaker 1>this cast, because even Riley was trying to like throw

0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:11.440
<v Speaker 1>a drink at her and it was really being mean

0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:15.080
<v Speaker 1>towards her. They're all like, Georgia, just shut up, just stop.

0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:18.560
<v Speaker 1>Roley hoped like the way they handle both They handled

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<v Speaker 1>Raleigh with kid gloves, and they handled Georgia like, stop

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<v Speaker 1>being the attagonist, stop attagonizing her. So even in this

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<v Speaker 1>situation when she's talking to Aban Brooks, I just I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. I feel bad for Georgia.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they already branded her the weird one in season one,

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<v Speaker 2>and when you're branded the weird one, it's easy to

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<v Speaker 2>like continually think of her as the weird one. And

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<v Speaker 2>then Charlie's almost like this rebel without a cause where

0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:43.159
<v Speaker 2>he's like the bad boy, you know, and it's like

0:17:43.359 --> 0:17:46.360
<v Speaker 2>you almost like they're they're rooting for him, but they

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<v Speaker 2>will not give Georgia any time of day. Georgia's most

0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:51.960
<v Speaker 2>effective scenes are with people that aren't even in the cast,

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<v Speaker 2>Like last episode, was it that she had a conversation

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<v Speaker 2>with her cousin, or maybe it was two episodes ago.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, those are actually I think when she shines,

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<v Speaker 2>or with her boy boyfriend, who on the after show

0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:04.200
<v Speaker 2>she talks about, or maybe it was Gia's podcast last

0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:06.000
<v Speaker 2>week she talked to they just broke up her and

0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:09.600
<v Speaker 2>her boyfriend, George and her boyfriend. But yeah, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think they give her the time of the day. But

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<v Speaker 2>you know what's great is that I think the fans

0:18:13.560 --> 0:18:16.920
<v Speaker 2>are really enjoying Georgia. And I always say, you can

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<v Speaker 2>lose the scene, but win the audience, and so she's

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<v Speaker 2>losing most of the scenes with the cast members, but

0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:25.760
<v Speaker 2>I think she's gaining an audience popularity, and usually in

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<v Speaker 2>a season three the other cast members will pay attention

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<v Speaker 2>to that and might give her a little bit more respect.

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<v Speaker 1>I think so too, because I felt like the reason

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<v Speaker 1>why they were handling Riley with kid gloves was because

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<v Speaker 1>of what happened to her last season, because I saw

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<v Speaker 1>I saw those clips with the micro aggressions, and I

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<v Speaker 1>felt like they were trying to say, Okay, we got

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<v Speaker 1>our ass handed to us last year on social media,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't want any problem with Riley. You have a

0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:54.280
<v Speaker 1>huge fan base tex of her mom and we're scared.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think you're right. They were so surprised that

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<v Speaker 1>as we're watching this show even listen even I was

0:19:03.920 --> 0:19:09.280
<v Speaker 1>shocked Ryan, how Georgia have more supporters than Riley And

0:19:09.440 --> 0:19:14.119
<v Speaker 1>people were like, Riley, you have a problem and you

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<v Speaker 1>need to fix it. It is shocked me because it was

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<v Speaker 1>a different sort of tone than what was happening to

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<v Speaker 1>her last season.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, me and I mean, I think this is

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<v Speaker 2>why I always get fascinated to listen to you, because

0:19:26.440 --> 0:19:28.720
<v Speaker 2>you do have the production background. I think the further

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<v Speaker 2>I get into recapping and talking about these shows, I

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<v Speaker 2>always want to know how it really is pieced together,

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<v Speaker 2>Like how much of this is done in the edit?

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<v Speaker 2>How encouraged are you by production? Like when that moment

0:19:38.440 --> 0:19:41.040
<v Speaker 2>moment happened with Riley, you know, did they did they

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<v Speaker 2>pull everybody apart? What was the conversations had the next

0:19:44.160 --> 0:19:46.280
<v Speaker 2>day with Riley? Those are the things that I get

0:19:46.320 --> 0:19:48.679
<v Speaker 2>more fascinated with because you see how these are kind

0:19:48.680 --> 0:19:51.040
<v Speaker 2>of pastiches together. If you know, you just even a

0:19:51.040 --> 0:19:53.359
<v Speaker 2>casual Bravo viewer over the years, you're like, Okay, I

0:19:53.400 --> 0:19:55.560
<v Speaker 2>get you know, this is what you do, the inciting

0:19:55.560 --> 0:19:58.359
<v Speaker 2>incident happens here, and then the aftermuth the aftermath the

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<v Speaker 2>next episode. But yeah, kind of just disappeared and they've

0:20:01.880 --> 0:20:05.520
<v Speaker 2>never fully explained it. And so you know, she's had

0:20:05.600 --> 0:20:07.960
<v Speaker 2>just like even this episode, like a little moment where

0:20:07.960 --> 0:20:12.280
<v Speaker 2>she's walking in like Washington Washington Square Park. But I

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<v Speaker 2>would love to have a deeper conversation with Riley on

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<v Speaker 2>this show.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree, I agree, I agree, And hopefully at the

0:20:19.480 --> 0:20:22.480
<v Speaker 1>reunion will get more of that. In this scene too,

0:20:22.640 --> 0:20:27.720
<v Speaker 1>with Amara and Bruggs, Aver reveals that she have broken

0:20:27.720 --> 0:20:33.840
<v Speaker 1>over her boyfriend, but she's very careful not to mention why.

0:20:34.400 --> 0:20:39.120
<v Speaker 1>She alluded to some shady things happening, maybe possible cheating,

0:20:40.560 --> 0:20:45.400
<v Speaker 1>but she never really disclosed this what really is happening.

0:20:45.920 --> 0:20:49.600
<v Speaker 1>And she talks about moving out, getting an apartment and

0:20:49.640 --> 0:20:53.560
<v Speaker 1>how she can't afford is at least the first and

0:20:53.720 --> 0:20:57.680
<v Speaker 1>last month's rent, which to me was so interesting because

0:20:57.720 --> 0:20:58.679
<v Speaker 1>we know her dad is.

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<v Speaker 2>Listen, where's Damon Dash In the reunion seating chart, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I told Carlos, I said, I want to hear your

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<v Speaker 2>interview with Damon Dash. And the fact that Damon Dash

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<v Speaker 2>even refers to himself as a NEPO dad and that

0:21:14.560 --> 0:21:18.000
<v Speaker 2>he how I mean, the mighty have fallen that, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, She's like, yeah, you haven't given me that

0:21:20.400 --> 0:21:22.639
<v Speaker 2>five thousand dollars back I lent you. And he's like, oh,

0:21:22.680 --> 0:21:25.160
<v Speaker 2>I didn't. You know, you didn't give your daughter back

0:21:25.160 --> 0:21:26.200
<v Speaker 2>the money? You know it?

0:21:26.520 --> 0:21:26.720
<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, and it's so interesting if you compare that

0:21:28.880 --> 0:21:31.520
<v Speaker 2>with Gia, who's crying that her dad still can't you know,

0:21:31.560 --> 0:21:33.879
<v Speaker 2>he still is not able to come to America. And

0:21:33.920 --> 0:21:35.879
<v Speaker 2>I was just like, it is there's all different types

0:21:35.920 --> 0:21:37.960
<v Speaker 2>of dads. You know. It's like Abe is having to

0:21:38.000 --> 0:21:41.120
<v Speaker 2>give her dad money. You know, he skipped the bill

0:21:41.160 --> 0:21:43.280
<v Speaker 2>on their last apartment, so she's living with her boyfriend

0:21:43.280 --> 0:21:45.840
<v Speaker 2>in a penthouse apartment, and you know, I just thought

0:21:45.880 --> 0:21:47.440
<v Speaker 2>Damon was going to be like, are you moving out?

0:21:47.560 --> 0:21:53.040
<v Speaker 2>Could you give me the keys? Could I get in there? No.

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<v Speaker 1>It was sad too, because again, Damon Dash from my

0:21:59.280 --> 0:22:02.280
<v Speaker 1>era was just somebody that we all thought was a

0:22:02.320 --> 0:22:06.640
<v Speaker 1>smart businessman, especially because he was a part of Rockefeller

0:22:06.680 --> 0:22:10.600
<v Speaker 1>Records with jay Z. And to see how one person's

0:22:10.680 --> 0:22:15.880
<v Speaker 1>career that is jay Z blossom and balloon to billions

0:22:15.960 --> 0:22:20.320
<v Speaker 1>literally and to see the stagnation that Dame Dash has

0:22:20.400 --> 0:22:23.920
<v Speaker 1>had and like you said, how the mighty has fallen.

0:22:24.080 --> 0:22:28.040
<v Speaker 1>It's it was sad to even hear Abu say how

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<v Speaker 1>her dad borrows money from her, and that lets me know, Ryan,

0:22:34.359 --> 0:22:36.280
<v Speaker 1>it's really bad out there for him.

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<v Speaker 2>I always I mean, and this is not necessarily completely

0:22:38.840 --> 0:22:40.600
<v Speaker 2>lining up, but I was thinking of jay Z and

0:22:40.640 --> 0:22:43.840
<v Speaker 2>Damon Dash as Jill Zarn and Bethany Frankel. You know,

0:22:44.200 --> 0:22:47.560
<v Speaker 2>is that like now it's like, you know, jay Z's

0:22:47.640 --> 0:22:50.400
<v Speaker 2>like fully in hurt like Frankel mode, and you know

0:22:50.520 --> 0:22:52.880
<v Speaker 2>Zaren is not getting invited to things, you know, blew

0:22:52.920 --> 0:22:55.399
<v Speaker 2>it on the Golden Life, and so then you're like

0:22:55.560 --> 0:22:58.119
<v Speaker 2>complaining in the press, like Damon Dash is just complaining

0:22:58.280 --> 0:23:01.040
<v Speaker 2>about the thirtieth anniversary of like the album that they

0:23:01.119 --> 0:23:03.679
<v Speaker 2>produced together, and it's like sour grapes. But I do

0:23:03.720 --> 0:23:06.159
<v Speaker 2>think it's fascinating that he allows himself to be on

0:23:06.200 --> 0:23:09.080
<v Speaker 2>this show, whether FaceTime or even to allow himself to

0:23:09.119 --> 0:23:11.679
<v Speaker 2>be seen like this. So I'm like, thank you for

0:23:11.760 --> 0:23:15.159
<v Speaker 2>your service, because he's not that protective of his image

0:23:15.200 --> 0:23:17.880
<v Speaker 2>that he's not worried about going, Yeah, I'm borrowing money

0:23:17.880 --> 0:23:19.360
<v Speaker 2>from my daughter no.

0:23:19.400 --> 0:23:22.359
<v Speaker 1>It's interesting to me. And the other thing is this again,

0:23:22.400 --> 0:23:25.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't watch all of season one. Does ABA's mom,

0:23:25.960 --> 0:23:28.960
<v Speaker 1>Rachel Roy, a fashion designer, ever make an appearance.

0:23:29.320 --> 0:23:31.240
<v Speaker 2>She made an appearance, Yeah, but not in any sort

0:23:31.280 --> 0:23:33.880
<v Speaker 2>of like really like big way, you know. And when

0:23:33.920 --> 0:23:36.760
<v Speaker 2>Damon Dash was first on this show, he was like,

0:23:36.840 --> 0:23:38.879
<v Speaker 2>you know, you guys know my dad, Damon Dash, and

0:23:38.880 --> 0:23:40.679
<v Speaker 2>it was he was presented as more of a baller,

0:23:41.000 --> 0:23:43.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, like more of big time. And then you know,

0:23:43.600 --> 0:23:47.639
<v Speaker 2>but unfortunately we've not gotten like intense storylines around this family.

0:23:48.880 --> 0:23:51.680
<v Speaker 1>You brought up Ja Judais again, another one I worked with.

0:23:51.760 --> 0:23:53.639
<v Speaker 1>She had to I mean, my gosh, she had to

0:23:53.640 --> 0:23:55.440
<v Speaker 1>be around the same age, maybe eight or nine. When

0:23:55.440 --> 0:24:02.199
<v Speaker 1>I worked on Jersey with Teresa and Ryan. Gia would audition.

0:24:02.520 --> 0:24:10.320
<v Speaker 3>In New Jersey for commercials and movies and TV and

0:24:10.480 --> 0:24:15.359
<v Speaker 3>Theresa will take her Milania and.

0:24:16.040 --> 0:24:20.000
<v Speaker 1>Oh god, not be missing the name ship. Blame it

0:24:20.040 --> 0:24:23.080
<v Speaker 1>on the other one, I want to say, the other one.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, this is bad.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, now you got me for getting it too, Milania Jia.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, why am I having a brain fart right now?

0:24:37.400 --> 0:24:41.280
<v Speaker 1>Gabriella O yeah there baby, God, Okay, thank you Jesus. Okay,

0:24:41.680 --> 0:24:45.639
<v Speaker 1>In my defense, Gabriella hates fame, she hates TV, and

0:24:45.720 --> 0:24:47.280
<v Speaker 1>she never wanted to be a part of this ship.

0:24:47.880 --> 0:24:50.840
<v Speaker 1>So kudos to her for like living a very normal

0:24:50.880 --> 0:24:55.560
<v Speaker 1>life at U of M. So Juicy Joe is on

0:24:55.600 --> 0:25:00.280
<v Speaker 1>a zoom and you know Jia has always he's been

0:25:00.280 --> 0:25:03.920
<v Speaker 1>a daddy's girl. Yeah, like you've seen Jersey and you've

0:25:03.960 --> 0:25:07.640
<v Speaker 1>seen how Jia chest Ties is Teresa when it comes

0:25:07.680 --> 0:25:10.959
<v Speaker 1>to her dad, like leave him alone. You're doing too

0:25:11.040 --> 0:25:15.719
<v Speaker 1>much right now, stop it. So that's who Jia is.

0:25:16.000 --> 0:25:19.239
<v Speaker 1>And what we did learn in this scene is the

0:25:19.240 --> 0:25:24.240
<v Speaker 1>fact that, look, she is really advocating for Juicy Joe

0:25:24.400 --> 0:25:27.280
<v Speaker 1>to come back to the States, but due to you

0:25:27.280 --> 0:25:30.280
<v Speaker 1>know what happened to him going to jail being deported,

0:25:31.200 --> 0:25:35.479
<v Speaker 1>she's writing letters to Donald Trump. And what I must

0:25:35.560 --> 0:25:40.400
<v Speaker 1>say is this, in this political climate, Gia is very

0:25:40.440 --> 0:25:42.640
<v Speaker 1>brave for even admitting that.

0:25:44.400 --> 0:25:46.879
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, she's using her social media influence and

0:25:46.920 --> 0:25:50.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, her influencer title to try to get her

0:25:50.600 --> 0:25:52.240
<v Speaker 2>dad back. And then, by the way, if I can

0:25:52.240 --> 0:25:54.880
<v Speaker 2>divorce myself from my own personal politics, I'm like, why

0:25:54.920 --> 0:25:57.440
<v Speaker 2>hasn't this worked? Like, I mean, it worked for the

0:25:57.520 --> 0:26:00.639
<v Speaker 2>chrystlies it can't work for the judeaces, but are you

0:26:00.680 --> 0:26:03.160
<v Speaker 2>not kissing ass good enough? Gia, like, let's get ever.

0:26:03.760 --> 0:26:06.160
<v Speaker 2>Teresa was on Celebrity Apprentice for the Love of God.

0:26:06.440 --> 0:26:08.359
<v Speaker 2>But it is wild that this is even part of

0:26:08.359 --> 0:26:10.840
<v Speaker 2>the storyline, and I guess it puts the audience in

0:26:10.880 --> 0:26:13.800
<v Speaker 2>a position of would you do the same for your family?

0:26:14.040 --> 0:26:17.520
<v Speaker 2>But also it's very interesting because it also then you're

0:26:17.560 --> 0:26:21.040
<v Speaker 2>once again it's like Joe is kind of escaping any

0:26:21.080 --> 0:26:24.760
<v Speaker 2>sort of personal responsibility for something that he has done.

0:26:25.040 --> 0:26:26.879
<v Speaker 2>And Gia also, you know, I wish there was an

0:26:26.880 --> 0:26:29.080
<v Speaker 2>added line of like, yeah, this is obviously something my

0:26:29.200 --> 0:26:31.600
<v Speaker 2>dad made this horrendous mistake and you know he did

0:26:31.680 --> 0:26:34.080
<v Speaker 2>serve prison time for it, a little bit more of

0:26:34.119 --> 0:26:36.879
<v Speaker 2>an explanation of why, you know, of why this family

0:26:36.960 --> 0:26:40.280
<v Speaker 2>should be together and why that he won't do anything

0:26:40.280 --> 0:26:42.800
<v Speaker 2>like this ever again. But it is just so funny

0:26:42.840 --> 0:26:46.080
<v Speaker 2>how the importance she places on being an influencer, and

0:26:46.119 --> 0:26:48.440
<v Speaker 2>some of the rest of this cast does that as well.

0:26:48.640 --> 0:26:50.720
<v Speaker 2>But you can tell how much pride, like she quit

0:26:50.840 --> 0:26:54.960
<v Speaker 2>college to do this and podcasting, and she really considers

0:26:55.000 --> 0:26:57.720
<v Speaker 2>this a job. And I think sometimes it's hard for

0:26:57.760 --> 0:27:00.600
<v Speaker 2>an audience to fully understand and not laugh at that.

0:27:01.600 --> 0:27:03.879
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. And the thing is this,

0:27:04.600 --> 0:27:09.480
<v Speaker 1>she's capitalizing on the fact that we well we do

0:27:09.600 --> 0:27:14.119
<v Speaker 1>give this title to young actors and actresses. But when

0:27:14.160 --> 0:27:17.879
<v Speaker 1>you really think about oriyan Gia is a child star

0:27:18.640 --> 0:27:22.119
<v Speaker 1>like she was. She was, like I said, eight or

0:27:22.200 --> 0:27:27.199
<v Speaker 1>nine when she first started her career air quotes as

0:27:27.200 --> 0:27:30.760
<v Speaker 1>a nine year old on television. And not only that,

0:27:31.160 --> 0:27:36.320
<v Speaker 1>your mother is Teresa fucking Judais flipping Table season one.

0:27:36.720 --> 0:27:39.280
<v Speaker 1>You were there, You were there when she did it,

0:27:39.960 --> 0:27:42.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, like you saw her do it in real time.

0:27:42.800 --> 0:27:46.200
<v Speaker 1>You were at the kiddy's table with Lauren and and

0:27:47.240 --> 0:27:50.640
<v Speaker 1>Chris Manzel, you know who were in there like late

0:27:50.640 --> 0:27:51.560
<v Speaker 1>teens at that point.

0:27:51.840 --> 0:27:53.639
<v Speaker 2>I mean she had she had her first platinum hit

0:27:53.680 --> 0:27:56.159
<v Speaker 2>at eleven with waking up in the morning, I mean platinum,

0:27:56.200 --> 0:27:56.840
<v Speaker 2>are you deaddy?

0:27:57.359 --> 0:28:01.440
<v Speaker 1>Yes? So this is all she knows. And I will say,

0:28:01.640 --> 0:28:04.399
<v Speaker 1>as somebody who you know, she was going to school

0:28:04.400 --> 0:28:09.280
<v Speaker 1>for law, similar to Riley. And I want to ask

0:28:09.320 --> 0:28:13.000
<v Speaker 1>you this because you're a parent. One thing I will

0:28:13.040 --> 0:28:14.359
<v Speaker 1>say watching this show.

0:28:16.040 --> 0:28:20.920
<v Speaker 5>And I'm not a parent, but I can only imagine

0:28:21.359 --> 0:28:24.919
<v Speaker 5>they must not be that happy when you as a parent,

0:28:25.480 --> 0:28:27.679
<v Speaker 5>spend all this money in private school.

0:28:28.720 --> 0:28:32.320
<v Speaker 1>They go to the best schools and you pay for

0:28:32.440 --> 0:28:35.399
<v Speaker 1>them to go to n YU. Yeah, and all of

0:28:35.440 --> 0:28:40.560
<v Speaker 1>a sudden, Ryan they quit school to be a DJ

0:28:41.680 --> 0:28:45.280
<v Speaker 1>or influencer. Is that? Like, how would you feel? Because

0:28:45.280 --> 0:28:48.520
<v Speaker 1>that's the one thing, Oh, I can't stop thinking about.

0:28:49.160 --> 0:28:51.280
<v Speaker 2>There's that Chris Rock joke from Bring the Pain of

0:28:51.400 --> 0:28:53.600
<v Speaker 2>like you know, like just working to keep your daughter

0:28:53.640 --> 0:28:55.760
<v Speaker 2>off the pole, right, which is like an old old

0:28:55.880 --> 0:28:58.479
<v Speaker 2>joke that doesn't necessarily it's not too funny anymore. But

0:28:58.520 --> 0:29:00.840
<v Speaker 2>I think my one job as a parent, in my eyes,

0:29:00.960 --> 0:29:03.440
<v Speaker 2>is to keep my daughter off of reality television. If

0:29:03.440 --> 0:29:07.840
<v Speaker 2>I can do that, no, no, no, no, no. Reality

0:29:07.880 --> 0:29:10.160
<v Speaker 2>television is the new poll. I'm telling you. If I

0:29:10.160 --> 0:29:13.080
<v Speaker 2>if my daughter ever said I just auditioned for Love Island, USA,

0:29:13.240 --> 0:29:16.120
<v Speaker 2>I would be like, we're never talking again, Like that's

0:29:16.360 --> 0:29:18.720
<v Speaker 2>can you imagine? And the funny thing is, I don't

0:29:18.760 --> 0:29:22.120
<v Speaker 2>even know if Teresa is cognizant fully enough to realize like, oh,

0:29:22.160 --> 0:29:24.560
<v Speaker 2>I wanted more for you. The lawyer thing, like there

0:29:24.640 --> 0:29:27.760
<v Speaker 2>is such easy big money to make in influencing, right,

0:29:28.000 --> 0:29:30.280
<v Speaker 2>And you could say, yeah, lawyering or whatever it's called

0:29:30.320 --> 0:29:32.480
<v Speaker 2>will always be there. But I think there is something

0:29:32.520 --> 0:29:35.400
<v Speaker 2>so magical about turning your back on this and wanting

0:29:35.400 --> 0:29:38.560
<v Speaker 2>something better for your life, more substantial and not in

0:29:38.640 --> 0:29:41.320
<v Speaker 2>terms of like bobbles and money and things like that.

0:29:41.640 --> 0:29:43.920
<v Speaker 2>So it like Gia, you see what a well composed

0:29:44.000 --> 0:29:47.160
<v Speaker 2>young woman she is, and then you also sense how

0:29:47.200 --> 0:29:49.680
<v Speaker 2>much personal trauma she had to deal with because of

0:29:49.680 --> 0:29:51.880
<v Speaker 2>her family. But she keeps it all in but in

0:29:51.920 --> 0:29:54.280
<v Speaker 2>her talking heads, you know, it always usually ends with

0:29:54.320 --> 0:29:56.880
<v Speaker 2>like a tearing up in some way because that trauma

0:29:56.960 --> 0:29:59.400
<v Speaker 2>is right there on the surface. But like it's just

0:29:59.400 --> 0:30:02.200
<v Speaker 2>like arian these ladies are. You're just like God, you

0:30:02.240 --> 0:30:04.840
<v Speaker 2>are so well put together. I would just be a mess,

0:30:04.880 --> 0:30:06.600
<v Speaker 2>I would think growing up in these households.

0:30:07.160 --> 0:30:10.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh, it's it's it's part for the course in terms

0:30:10.400 --> 0:30:13.120
<v Speaker 1>of once that is in your life. Look at it.

0:30:13.160 --> 0:30:16.920
<v Speaker 1>We got Arianna, we have Gia, we have Riley. These

0:30:16.920 --> 0:30:21.720
<v Speaker 1>are three daughters who mothers were our housewives. And it's

0:30:21.760 --> 0:30:25.400
<v Speaker 1>one of those things where similar to child actors, a

0:30:25.400 --> 0:30:28.840
<v Speaker 1>lot of child actors, Grenna Paltrow being one of them,

0:30:29.200 --> 0:30:31.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, when you grow up with parents who are

0:30:31.760 --> 0:30:35.800
<v Speaker 1>bona fide actors, you're kind of like just inserted in

0:30:35.840 --> 0:30:39.240
<v Speaker 1>the mix. And that's what I find fascinating about this

0:30:39.360 --> 0:30:43.720
<v Speaker 1>show too. But listen, you did ask a question about

0:30:43.840 --> 0:30:47.400
<v Speaker 1>why hasn't Trump pardoned Joe unlike he did with the

0:30:47.480 --> 0:30:52.360
<v Speaker 1>Chris Laes. I think with Trump, based on my knowledge

0:30:52.360 --> 0:30:55.840
<v Speaker 1>of what I see on on online and watching the news,

0:30:56.920 --> 0:31:00.400
<v Speaker 1>you have to in his mind be a big fucking star.

0:31:01.880 --> 0:31:04.800
<v Speaker 1>And I think for him, the Chris Lyes, Todd Christly

0:31:04.920 --> 0:31:08.160
<v Speaker 1>let's just say who it is, Tom, chrisly is a

0:31:08.200 --> 0:31:13.040
<v Speaker 1>big fucking star. Teresa Judais is a big fucking star.

0:31:14.000 --> 0:31:17.040
<v Speaker 1>Joe Judais in his eyes, not so much. And I

0:31:17.040 --> 0:31:21.480
<v Speaker 1>think this. I think if Teresa, god forbid, was in jail,

0:31:22.360 --> 0:31:28.240
<v Speaker 1>he would have pardoned Teresa, yeah, like like without even thinking,

0:31:28.280 --> 0:31:31.560
<v Speaker 1>because in his mind he would say, I want that

0:31:31.640 --> 0:31:36.000
<v Speaker 1>white female, suburban demographic to vote for me. So that's

0:31:36.040 --> 0:31:38.320
<v Speaker 1>that's that's what I think in terms of while.

0:31:38.640 --> 0:31:40.800
<v Speaker 2>I mean, also, you could see a season three where

0:31:40.800 --> 0:31:44.560
<v Speaker 2>she takes the cast to be with her dad, you know,

0:31:44.720 --> 0:31:46.760
<v Speaker 2>take you where is he living in, like Nasau or

0:31:46.760 --> 0:31:47.920
<v Speaker 2>like the Bahamas or something like that.

0:31:48.240 --> 0:31:48.560
<v Speaker 5>Italy.

0:31:49.080 --> 0:31:51.000
<v Speaker 2>He's in Italy? Oh my god? Even better, a next

0:31:51.040 --> 0:31:52.520
<v Speaker 2>gen trip to Italy? Are you kidding me.

0:31:53.640 --> 0:32:01.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's there. He's there, so parents. This had to

0:32:01.960 --> 0:32:08.400
<v Speaker 1>be one of my favorite scenes this episode. Christ Popular Unpopular.

0:32:08.440 --> 0:32:08.880
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

0:32:09.080 --> 0:32:12.080
<v Speaker 2>I love Liam I you know I do too, but

0:32:12.200 --> 0:32:14.160
<v Speaker 2>it is interesting, like he knows what he's doing, this

0:32:14.240 --> 0:32:16.520
<v Speaker 2>sly little devil. He's like, I'm gonna I'm gonna bring

0:32:16.560 --> 0:32:19.160
<v Speaker 2>Arianna to meet my parents and that's gonna help me

0:32:19.240 --> 0:32:21.800
<v Speaker 2>slide in there even more. And he's like, oh, you

0:32:21.920 --> 0:32:24.920
<v Speaker 2>like this stable family life I have in this amazing Yeah.

0:32:25.000 --> 0:32:27.000
<v Speaker 2>We don't drink out of red solo cups here, we

0:32:27.040 --> 0:32:29.960
<v Speaker 2>have we have glass wear. And you know, he knows it.

0:32:30.040 --> 0:32:32.320
<v Speaker 2>He knows how charming he is because he's good looking,

0:32:32.480 --> 0:32:34.960
<v Speaker 2>but he's not Brad Pitt and so he's like always

0:32:35.560 --> 0:32:38.920
<v Speaker 2>he has that really confident, cocky attitude that I think

0:32:38.920 --> 0:32:41.240
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people obviously have responded to based on

0:32:41.240 --> 0:32:43.640
<v Speaker 2>what his friends say about him. And so this is perfect.

0:32:43.680 --> 0:32:46.240
<v Speaker 2>He has good relationships with his parents. I mean, this

0:32:46.400 --> 0:32:48.960
<v Speaker 2>is the ultimate panty dropper, right, like I mean in

0:32:49.040 --> 0:32:51.360
<v Speaker 2>terms of in terms of what Arianna has been through

0:32:51.360 --> 0:32:51.959
<v Speaker 2>in her life.

0:32:52.520 --> 0:32:55.480
<v Speaker 1>Yes, no, So the thing is this, The thing is this.

0:32:56.400 --> 0:33:04.200
<v Speaker 1>It's everything you said he's not. He's not like conditionally attractor, right, yeah,

0:33:04.360 --> 0:33:13.719
<v Speaker 1>but he does have this swag that I that I

0:33:13.800 --> 0:33:17.400
<v Speaker 1>that I think is so interesting. His fashions and that's

0:33:17.480 --> 0:33:22.800
<v Speaker 1>what you said. He's like cool and alta sly, but

0:33:22.920 --> 0:33:25.600
<v Speaker 1>I think he's great. I think he's no.

0:33:25.640 --> 0:33:28.240
<v Speaker 2>I love him. I love that he's confident. I love that,

0:33:28.280 --> 0:33:31.840
<v Speaker 2>in comparison to the other characters that he seems somewhat stable.

0:33:32.080 --> 0:33:34.240
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think it's a great addition to the cast.

0:33:34.280 --> 0:33:36.240
<v Speaker 2>And when you then compare it to somebody like Shi,

0:33:36.680 --> 0:33:39.360
<v Speaker 2>who is like this little shy kid who's trying to

0:33:39.400 --> 0:33:41.240
<v Speaker 2>get people to be friends with him, which I thought

0:33:41.240 --> 0:33:43.240
<v Speaker 2>was one of the funniest scenes, and like he's trying

0:33:43.280 --> 0:33:45.720
<v Speaker 2>to do this little fashion photo shoot and he's trying

0:33:45.720 --> 0:33:48.360
<v Speaker 2>to get Brooks and Ava dash to foot. They're ignoring

0:33:48.440 --> 0:33:51.040
<v Speaker 2>his ass right and left. And I love the way

0:33:51.080 --> 0:33:53.160
<v Speaker 2>the show positions it where they're like, we have so

0:33:53.280 --> 0:33:55.240
<v Speaker 2>much to do today, and then you just see Ava

0:33:55.320 --> 0:33:58.479
<v Speaker 2>just dilly dallying walking to a restaurant to like complain

0:33:58.560 --> 0:34:01.160
<v Speaker 2>to her manager and Brooks it's like, are you kidding me?

0:34:01.200 --> 0:34:03.360
<v Speaker 2>I can't do this right now. I'm worried about my

0:34:03.480 --> 0:34:05.440
<v Speaker 2>fashion show. And then you just see him walking around

0:34:05.480 --> 0:34:07.800
<v Speaker 2>the city, Like I almost felt bad for Shy, but

0:34:07.840 --> 0:34:09.520
<v Speaker 2>it's such a great funny moment.

0:34:10.160 --> 0:34:16.399
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, So, like you said, Liam invites Arianna and

0:34:16.440 --> 0:34:19.480
<v Speaker 1>Brooks over to meet his parents. We all know what

0:34:19.520 --> 0:34:23.000
<v Speaker 1>we've seen this season is Arianna is somebody that he

0:34:23.080 --> 0:34:26.479
<v Speaker 1>has the biggest crush on. He's just like really into her.

0:34:27.200 --> 0:34:31.759
<v Speaker 1>And what is so interesting is the fact that they

0:34:31.840 --> 0:34:37.440
<v Speaker 1>all know that Hudson is her ex. And Hudson even

0:34:37.440 --> 0:34:40.600
<v Speaker 1>said to him, like, don't touch her, like not that

0:34:40.600 --> 0:34:43.799
<v Speaker 1>that's his property whatever, but like that's my girl. Leave

0:34:43.840 --> 0:34:46.839
<v Speaker 1>her alone. Because I think Husson's mind, he's like, we're

0:34:46.920 --> 0:34:50.600
<v Speaker 1>going to get back together. Yeah, we're just on a break, right,

0:34:51.200 --> 0:34:55.680
<v Speaker 1>But Liam is a man on a mission and to

0:34:55.760 --> 0:35:00.319
<v Speaker 1>see Arianna say, look, I'm not the ideal girl. Are

0:35:00.640 --> 0:35:04.400
<v Speaker 1>a parent to like all this shit going on, But

0:35:04.600 --> 0:35:07.480
<v Speaker 1>it is what makes armand a likable to me because

0:35:07.480 --> 0:35:11.360
<v Speaker 1>she's in of a joke, she's self deprecating, she understands

0:35:11.560 --> 0:35:15.040
<v Speaker 1>like what people think, but at the end of the day,

0:35:15.200 --> 0:35:19.120
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't bother her. It doesn't bother her at all.

0:35:19.160 --> 0:35:21.160
<v Speaker 2>There's a complete there's a complete self awareness that you

0:35:21.160 --> 0:35:23.200
<v Speaker 2>don't see with a lot of bravolebrities. I think one

0:35:23.200 --> 0:35:25.160
<v Speaker 2>of the best qualities in a housewife or something is

0:35:25.440 --> 0:35:28.080
<v Speaker 2>sometimes obliviousness or even to take it back to your

0:35:28.120 --> 0:35:31.239
<v Speaker 2>Kelly interview, there's like this delicious obliviousness that you're like,

0:35:31.320 --> 0:35:33.560
<v Speaker 2>I have no choice but to stand like you truly

0:35:33.600 --> 0:35:37.239
<v Speaker 2>believe these things about yourself. But Arianna is she gets it.

0:35:37.480 --> 0:35:37.960
<v Speaker 2>She gets it.

0:35:38.040 --> 0:35:38.600
<v Speaker 1>If you do a.

0:35:38.520 --> 0:35:40.520
<v Speaker 2>Google search, all of these things are gonna come up.

0:35:40.560 --> 0:35:42.840
<v Speaker 2>But hey, that's me, and you're either gonna like me

0:35:42.960 --> 0:35:44.279
<v Speaker 2>or you don't like me. And I think she is

0:35:44.320 --> 0:35:49.000
<v Speaker 2>so she's so she's not cocky, but she's self assured,

0:35:49.040 --> 0:35:50.800
<v Speaker 2>and I think that's really an attractive quality.

0:35:52.120 --> 0:35:55.400
<v Speaker 1>So in the end we see them snug on a

0:35:55.480 --> 0:36:03.000
<v Speaker 1>couch and Liam takes his chance and he asked her

0:36:03.040 --> 0:36:08.840
<v Speaker 1>on a date, which was very smooth. Yeah, very smooth,

0:36:08.920 --> 0:36:11.799
<v Speaker 1>because like Arianna said, it's not every day where the

0:36:11.840 --> 0:36:14.279
<v Speaker 1>first thing you do is meet the parents, then you

0:36:14.320 --> 0:36:18.440
<v Speaker 1>get the date. It nobody happens in reverse. But I

0:36:18.480 --> 0:36:24.080
<v Speaker 1>think Arihanna likes that Liam has swag and he's charming,

0:36:24.880 --> 0:36:28.520
<v Speaker 1>so she says yes. But like you said earlier, we

0:36:28.560 --> 0:36:31.080
<v Speaker 1>see her making out with See.

0:36:31.120 --> 0:36:33.040
<v Speaker 2>That's what I hate is that they'll always then go

0:36:33.120 --> 0:36:36.200
<v Speaker 2>to like the the you know, proverbial bad boy, and

0:36:36.239 --> 0:36:39.040
<v Speaker 2>so it's like it is interesting and I'm really curious

0:36:39.080 --> 0:36:41.200
<v Speaker 2>to see. I'm like, I'm hooked, like I want to

0:36:41.239 --> 0:36:43.319
<v Speaker 2>see how this happens. I want to see And then

0:36:43.360 --> 0:36:45.080
<v Speaker 2>they go on a ski trip and all you know,

0:36:45.080 --> 0:36:48.480
<v Speaker 2>according to the like mid season trailer, but I'm like, oh, Arianna, no,

0:36:48.640 --> 0:36:51.560
<v Speaker 2>what are you doing? But a good love quadrangle is

0:36:51.640 --> 0:36:54.240
<v Speaker 2>great for a show because you got Hudson, you got Liam,

0:36:54.280 --> 0:36:56.760
<v Speaker 2>and you got Charlie, and then Shi has a crush

0:36:56.800 --> 0:36:59.239
<v Speaker 2>on Ava Dash, which is obviously going to go nowhere.

0:36:59.360 --> 0:37:01.960
<v Speaker 2>So I like, but when you're young, your heart feels

0:37:02.000 --> 0:37:04.040
<v Speaker 2>so many different things for so many different people, and

0:37:04.120 --> 0:37:06.080
<v Speaker 2>I think that's great if they can capture that for

0:37:06.120 --> 0:37:06.520
<v Speaker 2>this show.

0:37:07.360 --> 0:37:10.160
<v Speaker 1>Yes, no, for sure, for sure. I think it's interesting.

0:37:10.239 --> 0:37:16.400
<v Speaker 1>And look, one thing about Hudson. Hudson. Hudson does seem

0:37:16.440 --> 0:37:20.920
<v Speaker 1>a little sketchy to me, you know, like there's just

0:37:20.960 --> 0:37:22.520
<v Speaker 1>something you know.

0:37:23.120 --> 0:37:25.719
<v Speaker 2>When you start leaning into that baller lifestyle, Like you know,

0:37:25.760 --> 0:37:28.839
<v Speaker 2>there's something really powerful about like you know, what is it?

0:37:28.920 --> 0:37:33.560
<v Speaker 2>Like money speaks, wealth whispers, right or something or something

0:37:33.600 --> 0:37:36.120
<v Speaker 2>like that. But like what we've seen of Hudson, it's

0:37:36.160 --> 0:37:38.359
<v Speaker 2>really all based around money of like got to get

0:37:38.360 --> 0:37:40.400
<v Speaker 2>in the PJ, got to get picked up from the

0:37:40.400 --> 0:37:43.239
<v Speaker 2>private airfield, you know, and then Charlie trying to be

0:37:43.239 --> 0:37:45.600
<v Speaker 2>closed with him because he has money. And I think

0:37:45.640 --> 0:37:48.160
<v Speaker 2>that can't be the only thing about you. So somebody

0:37:48.239 --> 0:37:51.759
<v Speaker 2>like Liam, who is all personality and probably is you know,

0:37:51.800 --> 0:37:54.760
<v Speaker 2>his family obviously is well off. Not like Hudson's family,

0:37:55.000 --> 0:37:57.640
<v Speaker 2>but well off. There is something really attractive by somebody

0:37:57.680 --> 0:37:58.640
<v Speaker 2>that doesn't lead with that.

0:38:00.600 --> 0:38:03.239
<v Speaker 1>But what I do believe, as somebody who knows her mom,

0:38:03.320 --> 0:38:14.359
<v Speaker 1>Kim Zosiak formerly man, Kim believes in making sure the

0:38:14.360 --> 0:38:18.879
<v Speaker 1>man has me. But like you said, Liam isn't a brokie.

0:38:19.120 --> 0:38:22.279
<v Speaker 1>His parents clearly have money. He is a filmmaker and

0:38:22.320 --> 0:38:27.080
<v Speaker 1>all those things. But I don't know, Ariana may be

0:38:27.800 --> 0:38:33.240
<v Speaker 1>under the impression that you choose money first love second.

0:38:34.040 --> 0:38:37.000
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, you have to watch Kim Zolziak makes

0:38:37.000 --> 0:38:39.400
<v Speaker 2>an appearance in the first season, and it's great, Like

0:38:39.440 --> 0:38:42.120
<v Speaker 2>it comes up that they help Kim with bills or

0:38:42.160 --> 0:38:45.120
<v Speaker 2>like expensive bottles of wine, and I think that is

0:38:45.200 --> 0:38:47.080
<v Speaker 2>brought up in that first season, which I think is

0:38:47.080 --> 0:38:49.560
<v Speaker 2>great because that's but those are the conversations I wish

0:38:49.600 --> 0:38:51.080
<v Speaker 2>that they would throw in there, like, well, my mom

0:38:51.160 --> 0:38:53.279
<v Speaker 2>always taught me to go for this, you know, and

0:38:53.320 --> 0:38:56.120
<v Speaker 2>I know that they're probably protecting their moms a great deal,

0:38:56.160 --> 0:38:58.320
<v Speaker 2>so we're not going to have that full blown conversation.

0:38:58.600 --> 0:39:01.080
<v Speaker 2>But you would have to imagine that that is like,

0:39:01.360 --> 0:39:04.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, if you have somebody like Hudson with their wealth,

0:39:04.200 --> 0:39:05.240
<v Speaker 2>lock that down.

0:39:06.320 --> 0:39:10.640
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, yes we are. I know we kind of

0:39:10.680 --> 0:39:13.480
<v Speaker 1>went through the mayor and trolley conversation. But the one

0:39:13.480 --> 0:39:18.160
<v Speaker 1>thing I want to ask you is I felt, again

0:39:18.480 --> 0:39:20.759
<v Speaker 1>she let them off the hook too easily. I just

0:39:22.360 --> 0:39:24.680
<v Speaker 1>my opinion, and this is what you love about me too,

0:39:24.800 --> 0:39:28.960
<v Speaker 1>which is I look at things through the producer lands too.

0:39:29.280 --> 0:39:31.920
<v Speaker 1>One of the reasons why I felt that it was

0:39:32.000 --> 0:39:38.799
<v Speaker 1>anti climatic in terms of their conversation is because I

0:39:38.840 --> 0:39:43.120
<v Speaker 1>think they had an off camera conversation.

0:39:42.719 --> 0:39:45.399
<v Speaker 2>A thousand Okay, you think there's a do but don't

0:39:45.400 --> 0:39:48.719
<v Speaker 2>you think there's a lot of off camera conversations happening here? Oh?

0:39:48.840 --> 0:39:51.480
<v Speaker 1>Just for sure? For sure. The thing is this, You're

0:39:51.520 --> 0:39:54.160
<v Speaker 1>not controlling these kids to not talk to each other

0:39:54.200 --> 0:40:00.000
<v Speaker 1>off camera. Y they this their phone, okay, is literally

0:40:00.400 --> 0:40:03.080
<v Speaker 1>their wallets like they have their cars and ship inside

0:40:03.080 --> 0:40:05.520
<v Speaker 1>the case. They're not they're not, they're not doing it.

0:40:06.200 --> 0:40:10.160
<v Speaker 1>To see a mirror last week, the way, the way

0:40:10.200 --> 0:40:13.920
<v Speaker 1>she screamed and yelled and took off from Mike and

0:40:14.320 --> 0:40:19.800
<v Speaker 1>fu production and all those things, and to see her say, Okay,

0:40:19.840 --> 0:40:23.439
<v Speaker 1>it's fine. And that's why I think the producers had

0:40:23.520 --> 0:40:27.920
<v Speaker 1>to leave in the producer bite at the end like

0:40:28.560 --> 0:40:31.080
<v Speaker 1>do you feel like you gave them too easily because

0:40:31.120 --> 0:40:34.960
<v Speaker 1>they were like, this isn't tracking, and they knew, they

0:40:35.040 --> 0:40:36.680
<v Speaker 1>knew they had to explain that to us.

0:40:36.960 --> 0:40:39.960
<v Speaker 2>Bo okay, But Carlos, my question was watching that scene,

0:40:40.000 --> 0:40:42.640
<v Speaker 2>was well, maybe that was encouraged to make up because

0:40:42.680 --> 0:40:44.879
<v Speaker 2>it's almost like we're gonna downshift. So in the second

0:40:44.880 --> 0:40:46.839
<v Speaker 2>half of the season, we know Charlie's gonna say something

0:40:46.880 --> 0:40:49.840
<v Speaker 2>idiotic again and it will break break. So you have

0:40:49.920 --> 0:40:52.120
<v Speaker 2>to forgive to be able to go back and be

0:40:52.200 --> 0:40:54.640
<v Speaker 2>around each other to get to a worse part than

0:40:54.680 --> 0:40:55.439
<v Speaker 2>what we just saw.

0:40:56.760 --> 0:40:59.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well that's the thing. But the thing for me

0:40:59.560 --> 0:41:02.840
<v Speaker 1>is it just it just it just didn't track. It

0:41:02.880 --> 0:41:06.040
<v Speaker 1>didn't track, and and and and and I felt like

0:41:06.400 --> 0:41:13.280
<v Speaker 1>it gave a Mara a disservice because I'll speak for myself.

0:41:13.640 --> 0:41:20.080
<v Speaker 1>I think for me, what I wanted was I wanted

0:41:20.160 --> 0:41:25.759
<v Speaker 1>her to really speak for the community and really express

0:41:26.800 --> 0:41:32.200
<v Speaker 1>the vitrol of this statement, the like to really just

0:41:32.239 --> 0:41:36.759
<v Speaker 1>give the audience the energy that was matched and I

0:41:36.840 --> 0:41:39.879
<v Speaker 1>just felt like, again, it was something that I felt

0:41:39.920 --> 0:41:40.920
<v Speaker 1>the ball was dropped on.

0:41:43.239 --> 0:41:45.720
<v Speaker 2>But see, that's fascinating, But we're always trained to be like, Okay,

0:41:45.719 --> 0:41:47.439
<v Speaker 2>there's only so much you can put into a forty

0:41:47.440 --> 0:41:50.200
<v Speaker 2>two minute show. If she is taking on, like, you know,

0:41:50.280 --> 0:41:53.759
<v Speaker 2>the the tribulations of an entire community, does that not

0:41:54.080 --> 0:41:56.799
<v Speaker 2>like kind of ground the show to a halt and

0:41:56.840 --> 0:41:59.360
<v Speaker 2>in a way that like, yes, I mean I personally

0:41:59.400 --> 0:42:01.319
<v Speaker 2>would love to hear that from her. I would love

0:42:01.320 --> 0:42:03.400
<v Speaker 2>to have a full blown conversation with everybody in the

0:42:03.440 --> 0:42:06.480
<v Speaker 2>cast about that, and especially young people, because you know,

0:42:06.520 --> 0:42:08.880
<v Speaker 2>I think I've seen a lot about how older people feel,

0:42:08.960 --> 0:42:11.440
<v Speaker 2>which I really could care less with as I get older,

0:42:11.560 --> 0:42:13.760
<v Speaker 2>but I want to see how the younger generation feels.

0:42:13.760 --> 0:42:16.320
<v Speaker 2>And that's what you know this is And so Amira

0:42:16.520 --> 0:42:18.440
<v Speaker 2>probably has had so many things that she has had

0:42:18.440 --> 0:42:20.640
<v Speaker 2>to just shut up and take it her whole life,

0:42:21.040 --> 0:42:24.640
<v Speaker 2>and that you're right, is that that at some point

0:42:24.680 --> 0:42:26.360
<v Speaker 2>is going to make somebody break and she's trying to

0:42:26.400 --> 0:42:29.280
<v Speaker 2>compose herself. And I hold myself to a higher standard.

0:42:29.320 --> 0:42:32.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm an influencer and I want to remain brand safe,

0:42:32.960 --> 0:42:35.560
<v Speaker 2>and so I think that would be a fascinating scene.

0:42:36.000 --> 0:42:38.040
<v Speaker 2>But I still have hopes that we will get that

0:42:38.120 --> 0:42:39.200
<v Speaker 2>at some point in the show.

0:42:39.719 --> 0:42:42.040
<v Speaker 1>I hope so. I hope so. And I think what

0:42:42.080 --> 0:42:44.000
<v Speaker 1>you said is so true in terms of that could

0:42:44.040 --> 0:42:47.239
<v Speaker 1>have been a nice conversation to happen with everybody. It

0:42:47.440 --> 0:42:50.840
<v Speaker 1>termes let me explain to you all what this means.

0:42:51.160 --> 0:42:54.759
<v Speaker 1>But look, perhaps we will get that at the reunion

0:42:55.520 --> 0:42:59.600
<v Speaker 1>that is taping today. But again, rain Jobs, I told

0:42:59.640 --> 0:43:02.000
<v Speaker 1>you guys three weeks ago, I love this show. I

0:43:02.040 --> 0:43:05.680
<v Speaker 1>will be recapping it this season, and I'm so happy

0:43:05.719 --> 0:43:08.080
<v Speaker 1>to have done my first one with my guests.

0:43:08.920 --> 0:43:10.520
<v Speaker 2>Is this your first recap of a next Gen?

0:43:11.360 --> 0:43:14.759
<v Speaker 1>My first one was the Riley episode because I just

0:43:14.800 --> 0:43:17.320
<v Speaker 1>had to Oh, I was going back and forth. I'm like,

0:43:17.400 --> 0:43:20.720
<v Speaker 1>let me do it. This is my first one after

0:43:20.800 --> 0:43:23.080
<v Speaker 1>that with my guests. So you're my first guest to

0:43:23.200 --> 0:43:23.960
<v Speaker 1>have doing this.

0:43:24.719 --> 0:43:28.360
<v Speaker 2>Do you find it as a prolific podcaster and producer?

0:43:28.360 --> 0:43:30.680
<v Speaker 2>And all that. When you choose a show to recap

0:43:30.880 --> 0:43:34.040
<v Speaker 2>that it's hard to get your audience to. I mean,

0:43:34.080 --> 0:43:36.880
<v Speaker 2>do you have such brand loyalty where they'll they'll listen

0:43:37.040 --> 0:43:39.520
<v Speaker 2>or watch any show that you talk about.

0:43:40.560 --> 0:43:43.360
<v Speaker 1>You know what's so funny. I have an audience to

0:43:43.440 --> 0:43:48.040
<v Speaker 1>where two things happen. If they don't watch the show regularly,

0:43:48.080 --> 0:43:51.960
<v Speaker 1>they'll say, I started watching this show because of you,

0:43:51.960 --> 0:43:52.720
<v Speaker 1>because you recaps.

0:43:53.040 --> 0:43:54.600
<v Speaker 2>Of course it's the best.

0:43:54.680 --> 0:43:59.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but what's better is this. I love it when

0:43:59.200 --> 0:44:01.840
<v Speaker 1>they say I don't even watch the show. I just

0:44:01.960 --> 0:44:03.120
<v Speaker 1>like listen to your Yes.

0:44:03.560 --> 0:44:08.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I have people do that with my Valley recaps,

0:44:08.160 --> 0:44:11.560
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, oh my god, that's insane. Like you,

0:44:11.680 --> 0:44:14.120
<v Speaker 2>I mean, because The Valley is a miserable show, and

0:44:14.160 --> 0:44:16.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, you're not even visually watching it. You're listening

0:44:16.560 --> 0:44:20.200
<v Speaker 2>to an older man loses mind Thursday nights trying to

0:44:20.239 --> 0:44:22.680
<v Speaker 2>like take you through the dastardly deeds of the Valley.

0:44:22.920 --> 0:44:25.480
<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, whoa, that is the coolest thing that

0:44:25.520 --> 0:44:27.320
<v Speaker 2>anybody could ever tell you. As a podcaster.

0:44:27.800 --> 0:44:30.120
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's been good, it's been good. So I

0:44:30.160 --> 0:44:32.720
<v Speaker 1>do love that. And when I mentioned that, I'm gonna

0:44:32.719 --> 0:44:36.319
<v Speaker 1>recap next to jan I will say all of them,

0:44:36.600 --> 0:44:40.520
<v Speaker 1>all of my rain drops. They said, yay, finally because

0:44:40.760 --> 0:44:42.680
<v Speaker 1>we've been watching it and they said, no, you're gonna

0:44:42.680 --> 0:44:45.120
<v Speaker 1>love it, and like I said, I didn't do season one,

0:44:45.320 --> 0:44:48.520
<v Speaker 1>so they're happy that I just started recapping it. It's

0:44:48.560 --> 0:44:53.080
<v Speaker 1>a great show. I find myself really enjoying a lot

0:44:53.080 --> 0:44:54.120
<v Speaker 1>of it. I didn't think I would.

0:44:54.719 --> 0:44:56.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's so many times I'll be recapping the

0:44:56.360 --> 0:44:57.959
<v Speaker 2>show and I'll even say on my episode, I would

0:44:57.960 --> 0:45:00.799
<v Speaker 2>love just ask Carlos King about this, because just from

0:45:00.800 --> 0:45:04.240
<v Speaker 2>that production angle, the further we get into watching these shows,

0:45:04.239 --> 0:45:07.719
<v Speaker 2>you have to wonder like, was this producer encouraged? Was

0:45:07.760 --> 0:45:10.400
<v Speaker 2>this Like yeah, but remember you're upset about this person

0:45:10.440 --> 0:45:12.799
<v Speaker 2>for this, And I think sometimes people leave that out

0:45:12.800 --> 0:45:14.360
<v Speaker 2>because they're like, oh, that was such a leap for

0:45:14.400 --> 0:45:16.360
<v Speaker 2>somebody to be so mad going into that scene, and

0:45:16.360 --> 0:45:19.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I think they were a little juiced up beforehand.

0:45:19.040 --> 0:45:21.720
<v Speaker 2>So there is a reality to the reality. But also

0:45:22.320 --> 0:45:24.400
<v Speaker 2>we know that this is that everybody knows this is

0:45:24.440 --> 0:45:26.680
<v Speaker 2>being filmed, so I think there's this element that we

0:45:26.719 --> 0:45:29.279
<v Speaker 2>still kind of leave out. And I'm so curious where

0:45:29.320 --> 0:45:32.080
<v Speaker 2>we get with fourth wall breaking as this front content.

0:45:32.680 --> 0:45:37.480
<v Speaker 1>It's funny because when I started in two thousand and eight, oh,

0:45:37.560 --> 0:45:41.319
<v Speaker 1>it was like a full stop hell no, like oh yeah,

0:45:41.360 --> 0:45:45.040
<v Speaker 1>there's no such thing as producers and anything right to

0:45:45.080 --> 0:45:47.279
<v Speaker 1>the point where the camera was in a shot. They're like,

0:45:47.520 --> 0:45:51.520
<v Speaker 1>edit a camera outy whatever. What has changed since is

0:45:52.400 --> 0:45:55.520
<v Speaker 1>they've embraced the fourth wall being broken more often because

0:45:55.560 --> 0:45:58.239
<v Speaker 1>these shows are big and bigger, big and bigger, and

0:45:58.280 --> 0:46:00.080
<v Speaker 1>we kind of know how the sausage is made a

0:46:00.160 --> 0:46:05.600
<v Speaker 1>little bit. But I definitely think they're not ever going

0:46:05.640 --> 0:46:09.240
<v Speaker 1>to truly pull back the curtain.

0:46:09.880 --> 0:46:12.239
<v Speaker 2>Sure, but what I what, I'm very curreo because I

0:46:12.239 --> 0:46:15.520
<v Speaker 2>would just you know, for science. I watched the first

0:46:15.520 --> 0:46:20.520
<v Speaker 2>two episodes of House of Stassy and they are uh see,

0:46:20.600 --> 0:46:26.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm not the target audience for this, but well true, Okay,

0:46:26.320 --> 0:46:28.560
<v Speaker 2>well listen, it's not as bad as I thought it

0:46:28.600 --> 0:46:31.120
<v Speaker 2>was gonna be. But I do think they heavily lean

0:46:31.200 --> 0:46:35.000
<v Speaker 2>into fourth wall breaking a lot of like flourishes with

0:46:35.040 --> 0:46:36.959
<v Speaker 2>the editing, which you see in Next Gen as well.

0:46:37.560 --> 0:46:40.239
<v Speaker 2>I almost wish they would do fifteen percent less of everything.

0:46:40.719 --> 0:46:43.120
<v Speaker 2>There were more real moments between her and her husband

0:46:43.160 --> 0:46:47.440
<v Speaker 2>that I found those conversations actually very interesting, just but

0:46:47.480 --> 0:46:49.960
<v Speaker 2>it's a reality show about making a reality show, and

0:46:50.000 --> 0:46:53.080
<v Speaker 2>Stassy reminds you constantly of we need this show to work,

0:46:53.120 --> 0:46:55.480
<v Speaker 2>and we're doing this and we had these celebrity cameos,

0:46:55.680 --> 0:46:57.600
<v Speaker 2>and I think that works. But I think your real

0:46:57.719 --> 0:47:00.120
<v Speaker 2>bread and butter is the real relationships between you and

0:47:00.200 --> 0:47:02.480
<v Speaker 2>your husband, you and your kids, you and your best friends,

0:47:02.760 --> 0:47:05.920
<v Speaker 2>and almost trust that process. So I think automatically this

0:47:05.960 --> 0:47:08.760
<v Speaker 2>is gonna get a second season. But it is interesting

0:47:08.800 --> 0:47:11.520
<v Speaker 2>because she's somebody that we are fully leaning into fourth

0:47:11.560 --> 0:47:14.040
<v Speaker 2>wall breaking, like she's winking at the camera every chance

0:47:14.440 --> 0:47:16.319
<v Speaker 2>she can get, and I think you've got to find

0:47:16.360 --> 0:47:19.120
<v Speaker 2>this happy medium. But you can tell she's not having

0:47:19.120 --> 0:47:22.839
<v Speaker 2>those restrictions that Bravo places on their show. And at

0:47:22.840 --> 0:47:25.319
<v Speaker 2>the same time, using people like Katie Maloney from vander

0:47:25.360 --> 0:47:29.719
<v Speaker 2>Pump Rules is such an amazing flourish that eventually it's

0:47:29.760 --> 0:47:31.680
<v Speaker 2>gonna be weird because we're gonna eventually start having vander

0:47:31.680 --> 0:47:35.120
<v Speaker 2>Pump Rules reunions on House Obstos and you're gonna be

0:47:35.200 --> 0:47:38.440
<v Speaker 2>able to have like three year conversations where they're commenting

0:47:38.480 --> 0:47:41.680
<v Speaker 2>on production, which happened in the second episode with Katie

0:47:41.680 --> 0:47:44.240
<v Speaker 2>maloney where you're like when you're doing vander Pump Rules,

0:47:44.360 --> 0:47:47.080
<v Speaker 2>like nobody knows what you're going through, Like you've gone

0:47:47.120 --> 0:47:49.319
<v Speaker 2>through this war together. And she keeps saying, I do

0:47:49.360 --> 0:47:51.560
<v Speaker 2>not want vander Pump Rules to be my legacy. And

0:47:51.600 --> 0:47:54.479
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, girl, do you'd be lucky? Oh? She says

0:47:54.480 --> 0:47:56.160
<v Speaker 2>that fully, I do not want vander Pump Rules to

0:47:56.160 --> 0:47:58.520
<v Speaker 2>be my legacy, and like it is going to be.

0:47:58.560 --> 0:48:01.360
<v Speaker 2>You're gonna do all thebi doing better than Jack's Taylor.

0:48:01.440 --> 0:48:03.960
<v Speaker 2>But it's what a great legacy to have if you

0:48:04.000 --> 0:48:06.239
<v Speaker 2>are still working in this industry at the level that

0:48:06.280 --> 0:48:06.920
<v Speaker 2>Sassi is.

0:48:09.160 --> 0:48:12.200
<v Speaker 1>Well, Ryan, guess what I'm doing this evening.

0:48:13.200 --> 0:48:15.640
<v Speaker 2>You know what if you do DM me or message

0:48:15.680 --> 0:48:18.400
<v Speaker 2>me and let me know, because you know, I would

0:48:17.560 --> 0:48:20.279
<v Speaker 2>love love from your angle, just from the production thing,

0:48:20.280 --> 0:48:22.960
<v Speaker 2>because they're throwing so much against the wall. And I

0:48:22.960 --> 0:48:25.520
<v Speaker 2>think finally in the second episode, there are certain things

0:48:25.560 --> 0:48:27.400
<v Speaker 2>that start clicking. But the real bread and butter, I

0:48:27.440 --> 0:48:30.400
<v Speaker 2>think is between Bo her husband and her and talking

0:48:30.640 --> 0:48:33.200
<v Speaker 2>with the reality. There's a great conversation about influencers that

0:48:33.200 --> 0:48:35.680
<v Speaker 2>I would love. Next Genda comment on is She's like,

0:48:35.880 --> 0:48:38.359
<v Speaker 2>you have seven hundred and fifty thousand followers. You want

0:48:38.360 --> 0:48:40.560
<v Speaker 2>to go out and go back to your casting director job.

0:48:40.880 --> 0:48:43.000
<v Speaker 2>You can make more money with is brand deals? He goes,

0:48:43.160 --> 0:48:45.400
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't matter brand deals, you think, I want to

0:48:45.440 --> 0:48:48.040
<v Speaker 2>sell pots and pans. And I thought that was so interesting.

0:48:48.120 --> 0:48:50.879
<v Speaker 2>Is that just because you have this fun doesn't mean

0:48:50.920 --> 0:48:54.000
<v Speaker 2>you need to be an influencer somebody Like people just

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<v Speaker 2>want to have like real jobs or actually like go

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<v Speaker 2>in and get their hands dirty about something that they love.

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<v Speaker 2>And Sassi's like, what do you like? We have this

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<v Speaker 2>amazing life because of me. I will pay you more

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<v Speaker 2>to stay home with the kids. And it was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I thought that was super interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I'm into it. I'm into it. But I do

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<v Speaker 1>think to your point, there is a fine line between

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<v Speaker 1>giving too much of the fourth wall being broken because

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<v Speaker 1>you still want to escape and you still and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>so glad you you brought this up. I always tell

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<v Speaker 1>my producers this personal story will always be the key

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<v Speaker 1>to keep people in their seats, and.

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<v Speaker 2>We need more people to make that the edict if

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<v Speaker 2>we get because I don't want to ever get to

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<v Speaker 2>a point where we have trained the audience to not

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<v Speaker 2>love that and to not feel that or to actually

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<v Speaker 2>like go again, because I believe still the audiences are

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<v Speaker 2>savvy enough of when you see something real, you get

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<v Speaker 2>goosebumps almost you know you're watching something real, for better

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<v Speaker 2>or worse. But now you see these shows with so

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<v Speaker 2>many tricks and so many fourth wall breaking, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like you have to really dig through a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of mess to actually get through to the truth. And

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<v Speaker 2>you don't want the mess to become the standard. You

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<v Speaker 2>don't want the mess to become something of like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I'm watching something entertaining because I'm told

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<v Speaker 2>this is entertaining. It's like you always want people to

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<v Speaker 2>be like, No, it's relationship, relationship, relationship, A.

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<v Speaker 1>Great, A great listen, Raine Jobs. That's why if you

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<v Speaker 1>haven't on Brady, which I'm sure you have, but if

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<v Speaker 1>you haven't, you must support my guy Ryan Bailey. He

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<v Speaker 1>has an amazing, awesome podcast, So bad It's Good with

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<v Speaker 1>Ryan Bailey. And I want to say, you dropped like

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<v Speaker 1>five episodes a week.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I do. Listen. This is a this is a sad,

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<v Speaker 2>sad desperation from an old man. No, listen, Carlos. When

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<v Speaker 2>you find something that you love, you just want to

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<v Speaker 2>do it as much as possible, and I truly do

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<v Speaker 2>love this, but this is my career. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>work in this for the rest of my life. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like listen I said the other day, if

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<v Speaker 2>I was in my twenties, I would go I mean

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<v Speaker 2>I would fully run into production or being a Bravo executive.

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<v Speaker 2>But not, I'm doing a podcast and so come have

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<v Speaker 2>fun with us. But if not, there are so many

0:50:56.520 --> 0:50:59.080
<v Speaker 2>great podcasts out there, and I'm just delighted to be

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<v Speaker 2>able to have this conversation with you. I look forward

0:51:00.960 --> 0:51:03.080
<v Speaker 2>to talking to you all the time. And next time

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<v Speaker 2>you're in Los Angeles, you better come on my show.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>I want. Well, you know I love you. I I

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<v Speaker 1>think you're so great and you know that. And I'm

0:51:13.360 --> 0:51:15.520
<v Speaker 1>so happy to see you continue to do this and

0:51:15.600 --> 0:51:18.400
<v Speaker 1>love it and and also just do it with so

0:51:18.520 --> 0:51:21.440
<v Speaker 1>much success that you have a tang. So rain draws.

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<v Speaker 1>Please please please subscribe. Download so bad it's good. Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Also for the Coromo interview, I'm thinking about the Coromo interview.

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<v Speaker 2>That was another one when you guys were like hinting

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<v Speaker 2>around like the love of his life. He's like, I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, WHOA, I brought that up on my show too.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh my god, and then that turned

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<v Speaker 2>out I was my mind was blown. I was like, whoa,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean want to come.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, I have a couple more lined up that's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>blow your mind.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean keep doing. I mean like I'm just like

0:51:53.120 --> 0:51:55.239
<v Speaker 2>you are turning into be that place to go for

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<v Speaker 2>these like interviews where it like kind of changes the

0:51:57.400 --> 0:51:59.880
<v Speaker 2>way people think or actually you get some sort of

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I just hats off. I study these things.

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<v Speaker 2>So man, just amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate you, Ryan PRETI I don't say.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm kissing his ass. By the way, I can already

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<v Speaker 2>see you commenter saying that I truly know.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not first of all referend and you're not new

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<v Speaker 1>to this podcast. Please so no, I I appreciate that Ryan,

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<v Speaker 1>and I got you. When I'm in LA, I would

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<v Speaker 1>love to come in your podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, awesome man, Thank you guys

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<v Speaker 1>All right, thank you, bye bye,