Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King.
Speaker 1: I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your
Speaker 1: favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey
Speaker 1: and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and
Speaker 1: Bell Collective. Every episode we recap reality television from the
Speaker 1: Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in
Speaker 1: addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or
Speaker 1: scripted as well. Hey, rain drops on today's episode of
Speaker 1: Reality with the King. I'm here from my God. We
Speaker 1: haven't seen each other in a long time. I know
Speaker 1: here and that is too long, but give it up
Speaker 1: for the amazing Ryan Bailey's one up.
Speaker 2: Brain drops Carlos really quick. I just want to say
Speaker 2: one thing about podcasting. The homes, the cars, the money,
Speaker 2: I've had, all of it. There was nothing in podcasting
Speaker 2: that anybody could do that would impress and if you
Speaker 2: look at it, I came in my first year as
Speaker 2: a podcast host and I really set the standard for
Speaker 2: a lot of these raggedy ass podcasts.
Speaker 3: Okay, Ry, okay, so ray job.
Speaker 4: In case you have been living under rock, my exclusive
Speaker 4: interview one on one with Kelly Potter from the Real
Speaker 4: Housewide of Atlanta drop recently and it has like broke
Speaker 4: the internet.
Speaker 1: I had no idea what well Ryan Belly did. He
Speaker 1: re enacted a SoundBite from Kelly setting the standard. But
Speaker 1: this genius knew how to incorporate podcasting in the dialogue.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, by the way, if you have not,
Speaker 2: and I know a lot of people listen to this,
Speaker 2: but go watch it because you'll watch Carlos's It's in
Speaker 2: Carlos's silence. Is the brilliance of it because he goes, oh,
Speaker 2: and then he just lets Kelly speak, which is so amazing.
Speaker 2: And Kelly, you know, is like a great guest because
Speaker 2: she speaks a lot. And then you, I mean, it
Speaker 2: says so much work because I think I would have
Speaker 2: just probably railroaded over her and you just let her go.
Speaker 2: And it was so brilliant. And I've been watching that clip,
Speaker 2: I think at least twenty times in the last day.
Speaker 2: I was so in love with that clip.
Speaker 1: Oh God, Ryan, what is so fascinating. First of all,
Speaker 1: thank you, is the fact that I was talking to
Speaker 1: my friends yesterday I'm like watching, Oh, by the way,
Speaker 1: you and I have something in common. What we have
Speaker 1: a love to hate with Kate Fear.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, by the way, the season finale is tomorrow
Speaker 2: and I'm so excited. It is such an insanely horrible
Speaker 2: show that I can't stop watching. It's so ridiculous.
Speaker 1: No, Ryan, I thought to myself, why am I watching this?
Speaker 1: I think it's so dumb, But it's it's whatever. The
Speaker 1: point is, I was watching Apple TV. I'm watching the
Speaker 1: new so Lucky is it worth it? So I love
Speaker 1: well listen with the grain of salt because we both
Speaker 1: love to hate watching k Fair So Lucky is good.
Speaker 1: The thing is this disclaimer I can't stop watching it.
Speaker 1: Disclaimer is this is beyond unrealistic. It's like every episode
Speaker 1: ron you're gonna say that's not realistic, like the Cat
Speaker 1: and Mouse game, So is a cat a mouse? I'll
Speaker 1: leave it at that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Apple TV has like some of the
Speaker 2: best shows with the best talent, and then they do
Speaker 2: not advertise it at all. So it's like weird, Like
Speaker 2: you kind of think they must be like smuggling money
Speaker 2: through their TV shows in some way because you don't
Speaker 2: ever understand, Like you're like you go to Apple TV
Speaker 2: homepage and you're like, I haven't heard about a dozen
Speaker 2: of these shows and they have the best actors in it.
Speaker 2: So it is really weird the shows that like actually
Speaker 2: break through on Apple TV. But yeah, Cape Fear is something.
Speaker 2: It's like the best actors in a completely you want
Speaker 2: to talk about unrealistic watch Cape Fear.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, yeah, it's very campy and and but but
Speaker 1: I'll say this before we get to the next jan
Speaker 1: My favorite show of the year on Apple TV. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna butcher the name, but a start with maximum.
Speaker 2: Oh a maximum pleasure guaranteed.
Speaker 1: Have you watched it?
Speaker 2: No, it's on my I have a list a mile
Speaker 2: long of shows to watch and that's like next on
Speaker 2: my list because I'm trying to get through the boys
Speaker 2: right now on Amazon.
Speaker 1: Okay, you're gonna love it because the lead actress is Oh,
Speaker 1: listen to me, she's a complete unknown.
Speaker 2: She's a great She's like she did this what was
Speaker 2: this series? Overseas? Uh, I'm forgetting it, but she's and
Speaker 2: she also played she Hulk on Marvel TV. On Marvels. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Tatiana Marcela or something like that or.
Speaker 1: Something like that. But the reason why I love it
Speaker 1: too is well, I do love this show, but I
Speaker 1: like the fact that I can escape through her eyes,
Speaker 1: that she's the lead actress and she's great. So I
Speaker 1: highly recommend that that one is not a hate watch.
Speaker 1: That's that one was a sleeper hit. But Ryan's right,
Speaker 1: Apple TV doesn't promote anything. I was perusic through Apple
Speaker 1: TV one night and I'm like, I guess I'll watch
Speaker 1: this and I'll get sucked into it. So yeah, guys,
Speaker 1: hate watch kte Fear, but I recommend lucky with Is
Speaker 1: it Anna Taylor Joy?
Speaker 2: Is that Anya Taylor Joy? Is that? Yeah? She's she's awesome.
Speaker 1: She's so good. She's good. Okay, speaking of awesome, we
Speaker 1: have to get into next gen. And the best thing
Speaker 1: about this recap is the fact that we have the
Speaker 1: reunion seating charge to talk about. So rain Drops, listen up.
Speaker 1: If you happen to be watching this, you're going to
Speaker 1: see it yourself. Okay. So Ryan, Yeah, they are recording
Speaker 1: the reunion today and check this out. This is the
Speaker 1: seating chart.
Speaker 2: I'm surprised Andy is so close. That's interesting. He got
Speaker 2: It's amazing, Okay.
Speaker 1: On Arianna's side, Arianna's first chair, followed by Emira Okay, Liam, Giya, Riley,
Speaker 1: and Brooks. Okay, on the other side, first chair is Charlie,
Speaker 1: followed by Ava Dash. What's this guy's shy shy Georgia.
Speaker 2: I always I always call her Landing, but her it's
Speaker 2: Brookshields a Rowan Rowan.
Speaker 1: Roman, thank you. And then Hudson.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, well, I mean Brooks Brooks being final chair
Speaker 2: on that other side across from Hudson. But I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't disagree with it. I just think, man, like
Speaker 2: you know, Riley even beat you on that side of
Speaker 2: the table. But I mean for all intents and purposes,
Speaker 2: I mean, Hudson and arian nur are supposedly together again now,
Speaker 2: but then in the midseason trailer that we see at
Speaker 2: the end, she hooked up with Charlie, which is like,
Speaker 2: it blows my mind, she hooked up with Charlie.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's it's insane, It's insane. So listen, Arianna having
Speaker 1: first chair makes sense to me. So Ryan, you know
Speaker 1: my my my background. I did Atlanta Housewives Season one.
Speaker 1: I met Arianna, the daughter of Kim Berraman. She at
Speaker 1: that time Kim Zosiak. She had to be maybe nine,
Speaker 1: so to see her bloss some into this beautiful young woman.
Speaker 1: To me, and I've said his own record, Ryan, Arianna
Speaker 1: to me is my absolute favorite on this show.
Speaker 2: I have to say, you know, setting aside their parents.
Speaker 2: I mean, she is so well put together. She has
Speaker 2: impressed me. I don't think I fully knew her, and
Speaker 2: she is turning out to be one of my breakouts,
Speaker 2: you know, in this show. I think the only thing
Speaker 2: that strike against her is that she hooks up with
Speaker 2: Charlie in the second half of the season. I'm like,
Speaker 2: my god, how many times are we gonna watch these
Speaker 2: shows and go stay away from guys like this? Charlie
Speaker 2: is complete. Like I understand the camera loves Charlie. I
Speaker 2: love Charlie in a sense as I kind of that
Speaker 2: bad boy that obviously doesn't shower. But like Arianna, you're smart.
Speaker 2: What are you doing? You know Liam's after you as well.
Speaker 2: You're still figuring out things with Hudson. But Charlie, it
Speaker 2: just goes to show, dude, women sometimes make the worst
Speaker 2: choices imaginable. But I can't wait to see it on
Speaker 2: the show.
Speaker 1: Hey wait, I do. Though I felt like Georgia should
Speaker 1: have been at least second chair. I'm shocked she's so
Speaker 1: I mean, she's in the middle but Georgia to me,
Speaker 1: was the villain of a season, and she kept moving
Speaker 1: story forward. I mean Riley stopped filming after that incident.
Speaker 1: We haven't seen her in the past two episodes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in No. In this episode, she has a brief
Speaker 2: moment where she says she's been in Atlanta and things
Speaker 2: are cheaper in Atlanta, and that was like pretty much
Speaker 2: all we saw from Riley. But I agree with you, Georgia,
Speaker 2: I think should be higher up there. George is. Another
Speaker 2: breakout for me is that you know, you wouldn't think it,
Speaker 2: but your eyes are kind of drawn to her and
Speaker 2: just the amount of insanity that comes out of her
Speaker 2: mouth at a very slow pace, but you're kind of
Speaker 2: drawn into everything that she says. Like I still crack
Speaker 2: up about her going like I want to do a
Speaker 2: club named club Club, and I'm like, that's so dumb,
Speaker 2: But at the same time, I can't stop saying club club.
Speaker 2: I love her. I think she's perfect for reality television.
Speaker 1: I think she is too. I think she is too.
Speaker 1: But no, I'm looking forward to this reunion. We have
Speaker 1: to get into the most recent episode. Listen, I have
Speaker 1: said this too. I wasn't going to watch this show right.
Speaker 1: I did not watch season one because I felt like,
Speaker 1: it's not about demographic. I don't know if I'll be
Speaker 1: into it. It's gonna be too cheesy. This show is
Speaker 1: actually really good, and I'm so happy that I get
Speaker 1: to recap it with you because you've been watching this
Speaker 1: in season one season one.
Speaker 2: But I also you know, and I'm glad you really
Speaker 2: like it. But I would argue for anybody that's like
Speaker 2: tentative about this show is that there is something comforting
Speaker 2: in the fact that they are so young, so you
Speaker 2: can watch it. You know. They put it on directly
Speaker 2: after The Valley, and The Valley's like where you like
Speaker 2: wash up and you die and you're like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: life didn't go the way we thought it would. But
Speaker 2: on Next Gen you're like, Okay, they're young, they're making
Speaker 2: stupid mistakes. I remember being that young, and so it's
Speaker 2: kind of there's there's a levity to that even though
Speaker 2: they're taking their given circumstances very seriously, we're all kind
Speaker 2: of laughing at them in a way, but at the
Speaker 2: same time, you're like, these are very real struggles for them.
Speaker 2: So I think it is the perfect amount of like
Speaker 2: it doesn't You're not arguing overall about huge issues like
Speaker 2: is Danny an alcoholic? Is Danny essay? You know, there's
Speaker 2: a lot of big questions when you watch the show
Speaker 2: in the Valley. In fact, Next Gen should come before
Speaker 2: The Valley on Wednesday nights, you know, and like afterwards,
Speaker 2: it's like a palate cleanser after intensity. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: think for me is to show you that, Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: you didn't think you would get into but I think
Speaker 2: anybody that watches it, there's a certain charm that really
Speaker 2: creeps up on you with this show.
Speaker 1: It really it has For me, I can't get enough
Speaker 1: of it. We have to pick up where things left
Speaker 1: off in the last episode. So one of the most
Speaker 1: controversial things that has happened on this show is the
Speaker 1: fact that Charlie allegedly referred to Amra, who is a
Speaker 1: transgender woman her boyfriend Kevin as a gay male. Georgia
Speaker 1: told Amera this, she of course freaks out, gets pissed,
Speaker 1: takes off her mic a whole nine yards. What I
Speaker 1: do want to explain to the audience, because I know
Speaker 1: that I've read some comments that people were they wanted
Speaker 1: to know the gravity of this situation why it hit
Speaker 1: so hard in terms of why was Emera so upset
Speaker 1: that Charlie referred to her boyfriend as gay. So, what
Speaker 1: I want to say for those who don't know, and
Speaker 1: the beauty of these conversations to me, Ryan is the
Speaker 1: fact that we get to be informative because a lot
Speaker 1: of people who are a part of the community, the
Speaker 1: lgbt QY plus community, they don't know and even those
Speaker 1: within it doesn't doesn't know as much because a lot
Speaker 1: of new information has been presented. So the reason why
Speaker 1: Amara was upset and the reason why it's so controversial
Speaker 1: and they're saying it is transphobic, is because Amara is
Speaker 1: a transgender woman, so she identifies as a woman. So
Speaker 1: Kevin dating her and you're saying Kevin likes gay men.
Speaker 1: What you're what you're implying is that Ameer is a
Speaker 1: man and she has to be a gay man. That's
Speaker 1: the implication. So I wanted to explain to everybody that's
Speaker 1: why a mirror freaked out, got upset rightfully so, and
Speaker 1: that's why Charlie is in the hot seat. What we
Speaker 1: learned in this episode was Georgia talking about doing it,
Speaker 1: and look, she felt that it's the truth, but I
Speaker 1: could have maybe done in a different setting. What did
Speaker 1: you think about that? Like, I don't know if I
Speaker 1: agree in terms of if the setting was wrong and
Speaker 1: this could be me being a producer, you felt that
Speaker 1: way in the moment, it was an opportunity to address it.
Speaker 1: She did it, and I don't feel like she should
Speaker 1: be scolded for where she said it. We should be
Speaker 1: focusing on more and I feel like the ball was
Speaker 1: dropping this episode. We'll get to that later. We're not
Speaker 1: they're not, excuse me, focus on the fact that Charlie
Speaker 1: said something, Yeah, that was wrong.
Speaker 2: Well, this is why Charlie's brilliant. Though he very definitely
Speaker 2: meets with Amira in the latter half of the episode
Speaker 2: and he does what he does like a very trumpyan thing.
Speaker 2: He's like, come on, we both know, like when you
Speaker 2: start off, like, we both know you're saying, we're both
Speaker 2: You're smart enough and I'm smart enough to know that
Speaker 2: the reason she brought this up is because of her
Speaker 2: intense hatred of me, and so he definitely moves past
Speaker 2: any sort of personal responsibility because at the end of
Speaker 2: the day, he knows he said it. We know he
Speaker 2: said it, and he's like I could have said something
Speaker 2: like that, but let's focus on how bad Georgia is.
Speaker 2: And Emira is wanting to believe this man that she
Speaker 2: has been friends with for a very long time. But
Speaker 2: I thought it was such a quick move. And then
Speaker 2: he also like hit it secondly, like you want to
Speaker 2: see that this person feels something, and he goes, when
Speaker 2: I saw how sad your face was, it is stayed
Speaker 2: with me. It is stayed with me. And she ate
Speaker 2: that up and I'm like, this man is just a
Speaker 2: scrawnier version of jaxx Taylor on the East Coast. Like
Speaker 2: this is like we're building a better boat in a way.
Speaker 2: Like I think Charlie is so manipulative in this. I
Speaker 2: don't care. But if you watch the first season, there
Speaker 2: is a scene where Georgia, I think it's Georgia has
Speaker 2: his his not his boombox, but his his speaker system
Speaker 2: and it's like a small speaker and he's like, give
Speaker 2: me back my speaker and he like is really pissed
Speaker 2: off about it, and you just see him sadly skateboarding
Speaker 2: around trying to get his speaker back, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: that's Charlie, you know. It's like he can't deal with
Speaker 2: his emotions or the fact that his parents don't want
Speaker 2: to hang out with him, so he focuses on like
Speaker 2: things like money or a speaker. And you just kind
Speaker 2: of saw this struggle of this kind of sad younger
Speaker 2: man trying to find his place in the world. But
Speaker 2: I think you listen, this is a power. This is
Speaker 2: like the battle of wills, and he has the stronger
Speaker 2: will than Georgia. And it's funny because this man continually
Speaker 2: does bad things, but he's able to win in most
Speaker 2: one on one conversations.
Speaker 1: This reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King. Let's
Speaker 1: get back into the show. It was it was pure
Speaker 1: gaslighting to me watching this and even before they met
Speaker 1: the fact that when Amara was talking to Brooks and
Speaker 1: Ava and she read the text that Georgia sent, which
Speaker 1: she apologized right like I could have done this differently,
Speaker 1: she's she's upset about that, which, again, your feelings are
Speaker 1: your feelings. I even then, Ryan was so surprised that
Speaker 1: the ants seemed to be more relegated to Georgia and
Speaker 1: not to Charlie, who said, like, even in that moment, yeah,
Speaker 1: and listen, whether or not you guys have been close
Speaker 1: for seven eight years, which to me that's shocking based
Speaker 1: on who Charlie appears to be on the show. I
Speaker 1: do feel like Georgia is getting a bad rep with
Speaker 1: this cast, because even Riley was trying to like throw
Speaker 1: a drink at her and it was really being mean
Speaker 1: towards her. They're all like, Georgia, just shut up, just stop.
Speaker 1: Roley hoped like the way they handle both They handled
Speaker 1: Raleigh with kid gloves, and they handled Georgia like, stop
Speaker 1: being the attagonist, stop attagonizing her. So even in this
Speaker 1: situation when she's talking to Aban Brooks, I just I
Speaker 1: don't know. I feel bad for Georgia.
Speaker 2: Well, they already branded her the weird one in season one,
Speaker 2: and when you're branded the weird one, it's easy to
Speaker 2: like continually think of her as the weird one. And
Speaker 2: then Charlie's almost like this rebel without a cause where
Speaker 2: he's like the bad boy, you know, and it's like
Speaker 2: you almost like they're they're rooting for him, but they
Speaker 2: will not give Georgia any time of day. Georgia's most
Speaker 2: effective scenes are with people that aren't even in the cast,
Speaker 2: Like last episode, was it that she had a conversation
Speaker 2: with her cousin, or maybe it was two episodes ago.
Speaker 2: You know, those are actually I think when she shines,
Speaker 2: or with her boy boyfriend, who on the after show
Speaker 2: she talks about, or maybe it was Gia's podcast last
Speaker 2: week she talked to they just broke up her and
Speaker 2: her boyfriend, George and her boyfriend. But yeah, I don't
Speaker 2: think they give her the time of the day. But
Speaker 2: you know what's great is that I think the fans
Speaker 2: are really enjoying Georgia. And I always say, you can
Speaker 2: lose the scene, but win the audience, and so she's
Speaker 2: losing most of the scenes with the cast members, but
Speaker 2: I think she's gaining an audience popularity, and usually in
Speaker 2: a season three the other cast members will pay attention
Speaker 2: to that and might give her a little bit more respect.
Speaker 1: I think so too, because I felt like the reason
Speaker 1: why they were handling Riley with kid gloves was because
Speaker 1: of what happened to her last season, because I saw
Speaker 1: I saw those clips with the micro aggressions, and I
Speaker 1: felt like they were trying to say, Okay, we got
Speaker 1: our ass handed to us last year on social media,
Speaker 1: we don't want any problem with Riley. You have a
Speaker 1: huge fan base tex of her mom and we're scared.
Speaker 1: So I think you're right. They were so surprised that
Speaker 1: as we're watching this show even listen even I was
Speaker 1: shocked Ryan, how Georgia have more supporters than Riley And
Speaker 1: people were like, Riley, you have a problem and you
Speaker 1: need to fix it. It is shocked me because it was
Speaker 1: a different sort of tone than what was happening to
Speaker 1: her last season.
Speaker 2: So yeah, me and I mean, I think this is
Speaker 2: why I always get fascinated to listen to you, because
Speaker 2: you do have the production background. I think the further
Speaker 2: I get into recapping and talking about these shows, I
Speaker 2: always want to know how it really is pieced together,
Speaker 2: Like how much of this is done in the edit?
Speaker 2: How encouraged are you by production? Like when that moment
Speaker 2: moment happened with Riley, you know, did they did they
Speaker 2: pull everybody apart? What was the conversations had the next
Speaker 2: day with Riley? Those are the things that I get
Speaker 2: more fascinated with because you see how these are kind
Speaker 2: of pastiches together. If you know, you just even a
Speaker 2: casual Bravo viewer over the years, you're like, Okay, I
Speaker 2: get you know, this is what you do, the inciting
Speaker 2: incident happens here, and then the aftermuth the aftermath the
Speaker 2: next episode. But yeah, kind of just disappeared and they've
Speaker 2: never fully explained it. And so you know, she's had
Speaker 2: just like even this episode, like a little moment where
Speaker 2: she's walking in like Washington Washington Square Park. But I
Speaker 2: would love to have a deeper conversation with Riley on
Speaker 2: this show.
Speaker 1: I agree, I agree, I agree, And hopefully at the
Speaker 1: reunion will get more of that. In this scene too,
Speaker 1: with Amara and Bruggs, Aver reveals that she have broken
Speaker 1: over her boyfriend, but she's very careful not to mention why.
Speaker 1: She alluded to some shady things happening, maybe possible cheating,
Speaker 1: but she never really disclosed this what really is happening.
Speaker 1: And she talks about moving out, getting an apartment and
Speaker 1: how she can't afford is at least the first and
Speaker 1: last month's rent, which to me was so interesting because
Speaker 1: we know her dad is.
Speaker 2: Listen, where's Damon Dash In the reunion seating chart, I mean,
Speaker 2: I told Carlos, I said, I want to hear your
Speaker 2: interview with Damon Dash. And the fact that Damon Dash
Speaker 2: even refers to himself as a NEPO dad and that
Speaker 2: he how I mean, the mighty have fallen that, you know.
Speaker 2: He's like, She's like, yeah, you haven't given me that
Speaker 2: five thousand dollars back I lent you. And he's like, oh,
Speaker 2: I didn't. You know, you didn't give your daughter back
Speaker 2: the money? You know it?
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I'm like, and it's so interesting if you compare that
Speaker 2: with Gia, who's crying that her dad still can't you know,
Speaker 2: he still is not able to come to America. And
Speaker 2: I was just like, it is there's all different types
Speaker 2: of dads. You know. It's like Abe is having to
Speaker 2: give her dad money. You know, he skipped the bill
Speaker 2: on their last apartment, so she's living with her boyfriend
Speaker 2: in a penthouse apartment, and you know, I just thought
Speaker 2: Damon was going to be like, are you moving out?
Speaker 2: Could you give me the keys? Could I get in there? No.
Speaker 1: It was sad too, because again, Damon Dash from my
Speaker 1: era was just somebody that we all thought was a
Speaker 1: smart businessman, especially because he was a part of Rockefeller
Speaker 1: Records with jay Z. And to see how one person's
Speaker 1: career that is jay Z blossom and balloon to billions
Speaker 1: literally and to see the stagnation that Dame Dash has
Speaker 1: had and like you said, how the mighty has fallen.
Speaker 1: It's it was sad to even hear Abu say how
Speaker 1: her dad borrows money from her, and that lets me know, Ryan,
Speaker 1: it's really bad out there for him.
Speaker 2: I always I mean, and this is not necessarily completely
Speaker 2: lining up, but I was thinking of jay Z and
Speaker 2: Damon Dash as Jill Zarn and Bethany Frankel. You know,
Speaker 2: is that like now it's like, you know, jay Z's
Speaker 2: like fully in hurt like Frankel mode, and you know
Speaker 2: Zaren is not getting invited to things, you know, blew
Speaker 2: it on the Golden Life, and so then you're like
Speaker 2: complaining in the press, like Damon Dash is just complaining
Speaker 2: about the thirtieth anniversary of like the album that they
Speaker 2: produced together, and it's like sour grapes. But I do
Speaker 2: think it's fascinating that he allows himself to be on
Speaker 2: this show, whether FaceTime or even to allow himself to
Speaker 2: be seen like this. So I'm like, thank you for
Speaker 2: your service, because he's not that protective of his image
Speaker 2: that he's not worried about going, Yeah, I'm borrowing money
Speaker 2: from my daughter no.
Speaker 1: It's interesting to me. And the other thing is this again,
Speaker 1: I don't watch all of season one. Does ABA's mom,
Speaker 1: Rachel Roy, a fashion designer, ever make an appearance.
Speaker 2: She made an appearance, Yeah, but not in any sort
Speaker 2: of like really like big way, you know. And when
Speaker 2: Damon Dash was first on this show, he was like,
Speaker 2: you know, you guys know my dad, Damon Dash, and
Speaker 2: it was he was presented as more of a baller,
Speaker 2: you know, like more of big time. And then you know,
Speaker 2: but unfortunately we've not gotten like intense storylines around this family.
Speaker 1: You brought up Ja Judais again, another one I worked with.
Speaker 1: She had to I mean, my gosh, she had to
Speaker 1: be around the same age, maybe eight or nine. When
Speaker 1: I worked on Jersey with Teresa and Ryan. Gia would audition.
Speaker 3: In New Jersey for commercials and movies and TV and
Speaker 3: Theresa will take her Milania and.
Speaker 1: Oh god, not be missing the name ship. Blame it
Speaker 1: on the other one, I want to say, the other one.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, this is bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now you got me for getting it too, Milania Jia.
Speaker 1: Uh, why am I having a brain fart right now?
Speaker 1: Gabriella O yeah there baby, God, Okay, thank you Jesus. Okay,
Speaker 1: In my defense, Gabriella hates fame, she hates TV, and
Speaker 1: she never wanted to be a part of this ship.
Speaker 1: So kudos to her for like living a very normal
Speaker 1: life at U of M. So Juicy Joe is on
Speaker 1: a zoom and you know Jia has always he's been
Speaker 1: a daddy's girl. Yeah, like you've seen Jersey and you've
Speaker 1: seen how Jia chest Ties is Teresa when it comes
Speaker 1: to her dad, like leave him alone. You're doing too
Speaker 1: much right now, stop it. So that's who Jia is.
Speaker 1: And what we did learn in this scene is the
Speaker 1: fact that, look, she is really advocating for Juicy Joe
Speaker 1: to come back to the States, but due to you
Speaker 1: know what happened to him going to jail being deported,
Speaker 1: she's writing letters to Donald Trump. And what I must
Speaker 1: say is this, in this political climate, Gia is very
Speaker 1: brave for even admitting that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, she's using her social media influence and
Speaker 2: you know, her influencer title to try to get her
Speaker 2: dad back. And then, by the way, if I can
Speaker 2: divorce myself from my own personal politics, I'm like, why
Speaker 2: hasn't this worked? Like, I mean, it worked for the
Speaker 2: chrystlies it can't work for the judeaces, but are you
Speaker 2: not kissing ass good enough? Gia, like, let's get ever.
Speaker 2: Teresa was on Celebrity Apprentice for the Love of God.
Speaker 2: But it is wild that this is even part of
Speaker 2: the storyline, and I guess it puts the audience in
Speaker 2: a position of would you do the same for your family?
Speaker 2: But also it's very interesting because it also then you're
Speaker 2: once again it's like Joe is kind of escaping any
Speaker 2: sort of personal responsibility for something that he has done.
Speaker 2: And Gia also, you know, I wish there was an
Speaker 2: added line of like, yeah, this is obviously something my
Speaker 2: dad made this horrendous mistake and you know he did
Speaker 2: serve prison time for it, a little bit more of
Speaker 2: an explanation of why, you know, of why this family
Speaker 2: should be together and why that he won't do anything
Speaker 2: like this ever again. But it is just so funny
Speaker 2: how the importance she places on being an influencer, and
Speaker 2: some of the rest of this cast does that as well.
Speaker 2: But you can tell how much pride, like she quit
Speaker 2: college to do this and podcasting, and she really considers
Speaker 2: this a job. And I think sometimes it's hard for
Speaker 2: an audience to fully understand and not laugh at that.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. And the thing is this,
Speaker 1: she's capitalizing on the fact that we well we do
Speaker 1: give this title to young actors and actresses. But when
Speaker 1: you really think about oriyan Gia is a child star
Speaker 1: like she was. She was, like I said, eight or
Speaker 1: nine when she first started her career air quotes as
Speaker 1: a nine year old on television. And not only that,
Speaker 1: your mother is Teresa fucking Judais flipping Table season one.
Speaker 1: You were there, You were there when she did it,
Speaker 1: you know, like you saw her do it in real time.
Speaker 1: You were at the kiddy's table with Lauren and and
Speaker 1: Chris Manzel, you know who were in there like late
Speaker 1: teens at that point.
Speaker 2: I mean she had she had her first platinum hit
Speaker 2: at eleven with waking up in the morning, I mean platinum,
Speaker 2: are you deaddy?
Speaker 1: Yes? So this is all she knows. And I will say,
Speaker 1: as somebody who you know, she was going to school
Speaker 1: for law, similar to Riley. And I want to ask
Speaker 1: you this because you're a parent. One thing I will
Speaker 1: say watching this show.
Speaker 5: And I'm not a parent, but I can only imagine
Speaker 5: they must not be that happy when you as a parent,
Speaker 5: spend all this money in private school.
Speaker 1: They go to the best schools and you pay for
Speaker 1: them to go to n YU. Yeah, and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, Ryan they quit school to be a DJ
Speaker 1: or influencer. Is that? Like, how would you feel? Because
Speaker 1: that's the one thing, Oh, I can't stop thinking about.
Speaker 2: There's that Chris Rock joke from Bring the Pain of
Speaker 2: like you know, like just working to keep your daughter
Speaker 2: off the pole, right, which is like an old old
Speaker 2: joke that doesn't necessarily it's not too funny anymore. But
Speaker 2: I think my one job as a parent, in my eyes,
Speaker 2: is to keep my daughter off of reality television. If
Speaker 2: I can do that, no, no, no, no, no. Reality
Speaker 2: television is the new poll. I'm telling you. If I
Speaker 2: if my daughter ever said I just auditioned for Love Island, USA,
Speaker 2: I would be like, we're never talking again, Like that's
Speaker 2: can you imagine? And the funny thing is, I don't
Speaker 2: even know if Teresa is cognizant fully enough to realize like, oh,
Speaker 2: I wanted more for you. The lawyer thing, like there
Speaker 2: is such easy big money to make in influencing, right,
Speaker 2: And you could say, yeah, lawyering or whatever it's called
Speaker 2: will always be there. But I think there is something
Speaker 2: so magical about turning your back on this and wanting
Speaker 2: something better for your life, more substantial and not in
Speaker 2: terms of like bobbles and money and things like that.
Speaker 2: So it like Gia, you see what a well composed
Speaker 2: young woman she is, and then you also sense how
Speaker 2: much personal trauma she had to deal with because of
Speaker 2: her family. But she keeps it all in but in
Speaker 2: her talking heads, you know, it always usually ends with
Speaker 2: like a tearing up in some way because that trauma
Speaker 2: is right there on the surface. But like it's just
Speaker 2: like arian these ladies are. You're just like God, you
Speaker 2: are so well put together. I would just be a mess,
Speaker 2: I would think growing up in these households.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's it's it's part for the course in terms
Speaker 1: of once that is in your life. Look at it.
Speaker 1: We got Arianna, we have Gia, we have Riley. These
Speaker 1: are three daughters who mothers were our housewives. And it's
Speaker 1: one of those things where similar to child actors, a
Speaker 1: lot of child actors, Grenna Paltrow being one of them,
Speaker 1: you know, when you grow up with parents who are
Speaker 1: bona fide actors, you're kind of like just inserted in
Speaker 1: the mix. And that's what I find fascinating about this
Speaker 1: show too. But listen, you did ask a question about
Speaker 1: why hasn't Trump pardoned Joe unlike he did with the
Speaker 1: Chris Laes. I think with Trump, based on my knowledge
Speaker 1: of what I see on on online and watching the news,
Speaker 1: you have to in his mind be a big fucking star.
Speaker 1: And I think for him, the Chris Lyes, Todd Christly
Speaker 1: let's just say who it is, Tom, chrisly is a
Speaker 1: big fucking star. Teresa Judais is a big fucking star.
Speaker 1: Joe Judais in his eyes, not so much. And I
Speaker 1: think this. I think if Teresa, god forbid, was in jail,
Speaker 1: he would have pardoned Teresa, yeah, like like without even thinking,
Speaker 1: because in his mind he would say, I want that
Speaker 1: white female, suburban demographic to vote for me. So that's
Speaker 1: that's that's what I think in terms of while.
Speaker 2: I mean, also, you could see a season three where
Speaker 2: she takes the cast to be with her dad, you know,
Speaker 2: take you where is he living in, like Nasau or
Speaker 2: like the Bahamas or something like that.
Speaker 5: Italy.
Speaker 2: He's in Italy? Oh my god? Even better, a next
Speaker 2: gen trip to Italy? Are you kidding me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's there. He's there, so parents. This had to
Speaker 1: be one of my favorite scenes this episode. Christ Popular Unpopular.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I love Liam I you know I do too, but
Speaker 2: it is interesting, like he knows what he's doing, this
Speaker 2: sly little devil. He's like, I'm gonna I'm gonna bring
Speaker 2: Arianna to meet my parents and that's gonna help me
Speaker 2: slide in there even more. And he's like, oh, you
Speaker 2: like this stable family life I have in this amazing Yeah.
Speaker 2: We don't drink out of red solo cups here, we
Speaker 2: have we have glass wear. And you know, he knows it.
Speaker 2: He knows how charming he is because he's good looking,
Speaker 2: but he's not Brad Pitt and so he's like always
Speaker 2: he has that really confident, cocky attitude that I think
Speaker 2: a lot of people obviously have responded to based on
Speaker 2: what his friends say about him. And so this is perfect.
Speaker 2: He has good relationships with his parents. I mean, this
Speaker 2: is the ultimate panty dropper, right, like I mean in
Speaker 2: terms of in terms of what Arianna has been through
Speaker 2: in her life.
Speaker 1: Yes, no, So the thing is this, The thing is this.
Speaker 1: It's everything you said he's not. He's not like conditionally attractor, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: but he does have this swag that I that I
Speaker 1: that I think is so interesting. His fashions and that's
Speaker 1: what you said. He's like cool and alta sly, but
Speaker 1: I think he's great. I think he's no.
Speaker 2: I love him. I love that he's confident. I love that,
Speaker 2: in comparison to the other characters that he seems somewhat stable.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's a great addition to the cast.
Speaker 2: And when you then compare it to somebody like Shi,
Speaker 2: who is like this little shy kid who's trying to
Speaker 2: get people to be friends with him, which I thought
Speaker 2: was one of the funniest scenes, and like he's trying
Speaker 2: to do this little fashion photo shoot and he's trying
Speaker 2: to get Brooks and Ava dash to foot. They're ignoring
Speaker 2: his ass right and left. And I love the way
Speaker 2: the show positions it where they're like, we have so
Speaker 2: much to do today, and then you just see Ava
Speaker 2: just dilly dallying walking to a restaurant to like complain
Speaker 2: to her manager and Brooks it's like, are you kidding me?
Speaker 2: I can't do this right now. I'm worried about my
Speaker 2: fashion show. And then you just see him walking around
Speaker 2: the city, Like I almost felt bad for Shy, but
Speaker 2: it's such a great funny moment.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, So, like you said, Liam invites Arianna and
Speaker 1: Brooks over to meet his parents. We all know what
Speaker 1: we've seen this season is Arianna is somebody that he
Speaker 1: has the biggest crush on. He's just like really into her.
Speaker 1: And what is so interesting is the fact that they
Speaker 1: all know that Hudson is her ex. And Hudson even
Speaker 1: said to him, like, don't touch her, like not that
Speaker 1: that's his property whatever, but like that's my girl. Leave
Speaker 1: her alone. Because I think Husson's mind, he's like, we're
Speaker 1: going to get back together. Yeah, we're just on a break, right,
Speaker 1: But Liam is a man on a mission and to
Speaker 1: see Arianna say, look, I'm not the ideal girl. Are
Speaker 1: a parent to like all this shit going on, But
Speaker 1: it is what makes armand a likable to me because
Speaker 1: she's in of a joke, she's self deprecating, she understands
Speaker 1: like what people think, but at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: it doesn't bother her. It doesn't bother her at all.
Speaker 2: There's a complete there's a complete self awareness that you
Speaker 2: don't see with a lot of bravolebrities. I think one
Speaker 2: of the best qualities in a housewife or something is
Speaker 2: sometimes obliviousness or even to take it back to your
Speaker 2: Kelly interview, there's like this delicious obliviousness that you're like,
Speaker 2: I have no choice but to stand like you truly
Speaker 2: believe these things about yourself. But Arianna is she gets it.
Speaker 2: She gets it.
Speaker 1: If you do a.
Speaker 2: Google search, all of these things are gonna come up.
Speaker 2: But hey, that's me, and you're either gonna like me
Speaker 2: or you don't like me. And I think she is
Speaker 2: so she's so she's not cocky, but she's self assured,
Speaker 2: and I think that's really an attractive quality.
Speaker 1: So in the end we see them snug on a
Speaker 1: couch and Liam takes his chance and he asked her
Speaker 1: on a date, which was very smooth. Yeah, very smooth,
Speaker 1: because like Arianna said, it's not every day where the
Speaker 1: first thing you do is meet the parents, then you
Speaker 1: get the date. It nobody happens in reverse. But I
Speaker 1: think Arihanna likes that Liam has swag and he's charming,
Speaker 1: so she says yes. But like you said earlier, we
Speaker 1: see her making out with See.
Speaker 2: That's what I hate is that they'll always then go
Speaker 2: to like the the you know, proverbial bad boy, and
Speaker 2: so it's like it is interesting and I'm really curious
Speaker 2: to see. I'm like, I'm hooked, like I want to
Speaker 2: see how this happens. I want to see And then
Speaker 2: they go on a ski trip and all you know,
Speaker 2: according to the like mid season trailer, but I'm like, oh, Arianna, no,
Speaker 2: what are you doing? But a good love quadrangle is
Speaker 2: great for a show because you got Hudson, you got Liam,
Speaker 2: and you got Charlie, and then Shi has a crush
Speaker 2: on Ava Dash, which is obviously going to go nowhere.
Speaker 2: So I like, but when you're young, your heart feels
Speaker 2: so many different things for so many different people, and
Speaker 2: I think that's great if they can capture that for
Speaker 2: this show.
Speaker 1: Yes, no, for sure, for sure. I think it's interesting.
Speaker 1: And look, one thing about Hudson. Hudson. Hudson does seem
Speaker 1: a little sketchy to me, you know, like there's just
Speaker 1: something you know.
Speaker 2: When you start leaning into that baller lifestyle, Like you know,
Speaker 2: there's something really powerful about like you know, what is it?
Speaker 2: Like money speaks, wealth whispers, right or something or something
Speaker 2: like that. But like what we've seen of Hudson, it's
Speaker 2: really all based around money of like got to get
Speaker 2: in the PJ, got to get picked up from the
Speaker 2: private airfield, you know, and then Charlie trying to be
Speaker 2: closed with him because he has money. And I think
Speaker 2: that can't be the only thing about you. So somebody
Speaker 2: like Liam, who is all personality and probably is you know,
Speaker 2: his family obviously is well off. Not like Hudson's family,
Speaker 2: but well off. There is something really attractive by somebody
Speaker 2: that doesn't lead with that.
Speaker 1: But what I do believe, as somebody who knows her mom,
Speaker 1: Kim Zosiak formerly man, Kim believes in making sure the
Speaker 1: man has me. But like you said, Liam isn't a brokie.
Speaker 1: His parents clearly have money. He is a filmmaker and
Speaker 1: all those things. But I don't know, Ariana may be
Speaker 1: under the impression that you choose money first love second.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, you have to watch Kim Zolziak makes
Speaker 2: an appearance in the first season, and it's great, Like
Speaker 2: it comes up that they help Kim with bills or
Speaker 2: like expensive bottles of wine, and I think that is
Speaker 2: brought up in that first season, which I think is
Speaker 2: great because that's but those are the conversations I wish
Speaker 2: that they would throw in there, like, well, my mom
Speaker 2: always taught me to go for this, you know, and
Speaker 2: I know that they're probably protecting their moms a great deal,
Speaker 2: so we're not going to have that full blown conversation.
Speaker 2: But you would have to imagine that that is like,
Speaker 2: you know, if you have somebody like Hudson with their wealth,
Speaker 2: lock that down.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes we are. I know we kind of
Speaker 1: went through the mayor and trolley conversation. But the one
Speaker 1: thing I want to ask you is I felt, again
Speaker 1: she let them off the hook too easily. I just
Speaker 1: my opinion, and this is what you love about me too,
Speaker 1: which is I look at things through the producer lands too.
Speaker 1: One of the reasons why I felt that it was
Speaker 1: anti climatic in terms of their conversation is because I
Speaker 1: think they had an off camera conversation.
Speaker 2: A thousand Okay, you think there's a do but don't
Speaker 2: you think there's a lot of off camera conversations happening here? Oh?
Speaker 1: Just for sure? For sure. The thing is this, You're
Speaker 1: not controlling these kids to not talk to each other
Speaker 1: off camera. Y they this their phone, okay, is literally
Speaker 1: their wallets like they have their cars and ship inside
Speaker 1: the case. They're not they're not, they're not doing it.
Speaker 1: To see a mirror last week, the way, the way
Speaker 1: she screamed and yelled and took off from Mike and
Speaker 1: fu production and all those things, and to see her say, Okay,
Speaker 1: it's fine. And that's why I think the producers had
Speaker 1: to leave in the producer bite at the end like
Speaker 1: do you feel like you gave them too easily because
Speaker 1: they were like, this isn't tracking, and they knew, they
Speaker 1: knew they had to explain that to us.
Speaker 2: Bo okay, But Carlos, my question was watching that scene,
Speaker 2: was well, maybe that was encouraged to make up because
Speaker 2: it's almost like we're gonna downshift. So in the second
Speaker 2: half of the season, we know Charlie's gonna say something
Speaker 2: idiotic again and it will break break. So you have
Speaker 2: to forgive to be able to go back and be
Speaker 2: around each other to get to a worse part than
Speaker 2: what we just saw.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's the thing. But the thing for me
Speaker 1: is it just it just it just didn't track. It
Speaker 1: didn't track, and and and and and I felt like
Speaker 1: it gave a Mara a disservice because I'll speak for myself.
Speaker 1: I think for me, what I wanted was I wanted
Speaker 1: her to really speak for the community and really express
Speaker 1: the vitrol of this statement, the like to really just
Speaker 1: give the audience the energy that was matched and I
Speaker 1: just felt like, again, it was something that I felt
Speaker 1: the ball was dropped on.
Speaker 2: But see, that's fascinating, But we're always trained to be like, Okay,
Speaker 2: there's only so much you can put into a forty
Speaker 2: two minute show. If she is taking on, like, you know,
Speaker 2: the the tribulations of an entire community, does that not
Speaker 2: like kind of ground the show to a halt and
Speaker 2: in a way that like, yes, I mean I personally
Speaker 2: would love to hear that from her. I would love
Speaker 2: to have a full blown conversation with everybody in the
Speaker 2: cast about that, and especially young people, because you know,
Speaker 2: I think I've seen a lot about how older people feel,
Speaker 2: which I really could care less with as I get older,
Speaker 2: but I want to see how the younger generation feels.
Speaker 2: And that's what you know this is And so Amira
Speaker 2: probably has had so many things that she has had
Speaker 2: to just shut up and take it her whole life,
Speaker 2: and that you're right, is that that at some point
Speaker 2: is going to make somebody break and she's trying to
Speaker 2: compose herself. And I hold myself to a higher standard.
Speaker 2: I'm an influencer and I want to remain brand safe,
Speaker 2: and so I think that would be a fascinating scene.
Speaker 2: But I still have hopes that we will get that
Speaker 2: at some point in the show.
Speaker 1: I hope so. I hope so. And I think what
Speaker 1: you said is so true in terms of that could
Speaker 1: have been a nice conversation to happen with everybody. It
Speaker 1: termes let me explain to you all what this means.
Speaker 1: But look, perhaps we will get that at the reunion
Speaker 1: that is taping today. But again, rain Jobs, I told
Speaker 1: you guys three weeks ago, I love this show. I
Speaker 1: will be recapping it this season, and I'm so happy
Speaker 1: to have done my first one with my guests.
Speaker 2: Is this your first recap of a next Gen?
Speaker 1: My first one was the Riley episode because I just
Speaker 1: had to Oh, I was going back and forth. I'm like,
Speaker 1: let me do it. This is my first one after
Speaker 1: that with my guests. So you're my first guest to
Speaker 1: have doing this.
Speaker 2: Do you find it as a prolific podcaster and producer?
Speaker 2: And all that. When you choose a show to recap
Speaker 2: that it's hard to get your audience to. I mean,
Speaker 2: do you have such brand loyalty where they'll they'll listen
Speaker 2: or watch any show that you talk about.
Speaker 1: You know what's so funny. I have an audience to
Speaker 1: where two things happen. If they don't watch the show regularly,
Speaker 1: they'll say, I started watching this show because of you,
Speaker 1: because you recaps.
Speaker 2: Of course it's the best.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but what's better is this. I love it when
Speaker 1: they say I don't even watch the show. I just
Speaker 1: like listen to your Yes.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I have people do that with my Valley recaps,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh my god, that's insane. Like you,
Speaker 2: I mean, because The Valley is a miserable show, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, you're not even visually watching it. You're listening
Speaker 2: to an older man loses mind Thursday nights trying to
Speaker 2: like take you through the dastardly deeds of the Valley.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, whoa, that is the coolest thing that
Speaker 2: anybody could ever tell you. As a podcaster.
Speaker 1: You know, it's been good, it's been good. So I
Speaker 1: do love that. And when I mentioned that, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: recap next to jan I will say all of them,
Speaker 1: all of my rain drops. They said, yay, finally because
Speaker 1: we've been watching it and they said, no, you're gonna
Speaker 1: love it, and like I said, I didn't do season one,
Speaker 1: so they're happy that I just started recapping it. It's
Speaker 1: a great show. I find myself really enjoying a lot
Speaker 1: of it. I didn't think I would.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's so many times I'll be recapping the
Speaker 2: show and I'll even say on my episode, I would
Speaker 2: love just ask Carlos King about this, because just from
Speaker 2: that production angle, the further we get into watching these shows,
Speaker 2: you have to wonder like, was this producer encouraged? Was
Speaker 2: this Like yeah, but remember you're upset about this person
Speaker 2: for this, And I think sometimes people leave that out
Speaker 2: because they're like, oh, that was such a leap for
Speaker 2: somebody to be so mad going into that scene, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, I think they were a little juiced up beforehand.
Speaker 2: So there is a reality to the reality. But also
Speaker 2: we know that this is that everybody knows this is
Speaker 2: being filmed, so I think there's this element that we
Speaker 2: still kind of leave out. And I'm so curious where
Speaker 2: we get with fourth wall breaking as this front content.
Speaker 1: It's funny because when I started in two thousand and eight, oh,
Speaker 1: it was like a full stop hell no, like oh yeah,
Speaker 1: there's no such thing as producers and anything right to
Speaker 1: the point where the camera was in a shot. They're like,
Speaker 1: edit a camera outy whatever. What has changed since is
Speaker 1: they've embraced the fourth wall being broken more often because
Speaker 1: these shows are big and bigger, big and bigger, and
Speaker 1: we kind of know how the sausage is made a
Speaker 1: little bit. But I definitely think they're not ever going
Speaker 1: to truly pull back the curtain.
Speaker 2: Sure, but what I what, I'm very curreo because I
Speaker 2: would just you know, for science. I watched the first
Speaker 2: two episodes of House of Stassy and they are uh see,
Speaker 2: I'm not the target audience for this, but well true, Okay,
Speaker 2: well listen, it's not as bad as I thought it
Speaker 2: was gonna be. But I do think they heavily lean
Speaker 2: into fourth wall breaking a lot of like flourishes with
Speaker 2: the editing, which you see in Next Gen as well.
Speaker 2: I almost wish they would do fifteen percent less of everything.
Speaker 2: There were more real moments between her and her husband
Speaker 2: that I found those conversations actually very interesting, just but
Speaker 2: it's a reality show about making a reality show, and
Speaker 2: Stassy reminds you constantly of we need this show to work,
Speaker 2: and we're doing this and we had these celebrity cameos,
Speaker 2: and I think that works. But I think your real
Speaker 2: bread and butter is the real relationships between you and
Speaker 2: your husband, you and your kids, you and your best friends,
Speaker 2: and almost trust that process. So I think automatically this
Speaker 2: is gonna get a second season. But it is interesting
Speaker 2: because she's somebody that we are fully leaning into fourth
Speaker 2: wall breaking, like she's winking at the camera every chance
Speaker 2: she can get, and I think you've got to find
Speaker 2: this happy medium. But you can tell she's not having
Speaker 2: those restrictions that Bravo places on their show. And at
Speaker 2: the same time, using people like Katie Maloney from vander
Speaker 2: Pump Rules is such an amazing flourish that eventually it's
Speaker 2: gonna be weird because we're gonna eventually start having vander
Speaker 2: Pump Rules reunions on House Obstos and you're gonna be
Speaker 2: able to have like three year conversations where they're commenting
Speaker 2: on production, which happened in the second episode with Katie
Speaker 2: maloney where you're like when you're doing vander Pump Rules,
Speaker 2: like nobody knows what you're going through, Like you've gone
Speaker 2: through this war together. And she keeps saying, I do
Speaker 2: not want vander Pump Rules to be my legacy. And
Speaker 2: I'm like, girl, do you'd be lucky? Oh? She says
Speaker 2: that fully, I do not want vander Pump Rules to
Speaker 2: be my legacy, and like it is going to be.
Speaker 2: You're gonna do all thebi doing better than Jack's Taylor.
Speaker 2: But it's what a great legacy to have if you
Speaker 2: are still working in this industry at the level that
Speaker 2: Sassi is.
Speaker 1: Well, Ryan, guess what I'm doing this evening.
Speaker 2: You know what if you do DM me or message
Speaker 2: me and let me know, because you know, I would
Speaker 2: love love from your angle, just from the production thing,
Speaker 2: because they're throwing so much against the wall. And I
Speaker 2: think finally in the second episode, there are certain things
Speaker 2: that start clicking. But the real bread and butter, I
Speaker 2: think is between Bo her husband and her and talking
Speaker 2: with the reality. There's a great conversation about influencers that
Speaker 2: I would love. Next Genda comment on is She's like,
Speaker 2: you have seven hundred and fifty thousand followers. You want
Speaker 2: to go out and go back to your casting director job.
Speaker 2: You can make more money with is brand deals? He goes,
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter brand deals, you think, I want to
Speaker 2: sell pots and pans. And I thought that was so interesting.
Speaker 2: Is that just because you have this fun doesn't mean
Speaker 2: you need to be an influencer somebody Like people just
Speaker 2: want to have like real jobs or actually like go
Speaker 2: in and get their hands dirty about something that they love.
Speaker 2: And Sassi's like, what do you like? We have this
Speaker 2: amazing life because of me. I will pay you more
Speaker 2: to stay home with the kids. And it was like,
Speaker 2: I thought that was super interesting.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm into it. I'm into it. But I do
Speaker 1: think to your point, there is a fine line between
Speaker 1: giving too much of the fourth wall being broken because
Speaker 1: you still want to escape and you still and I'm
Speaker 1: so glad you you brought this up. I always tell
Speaker 1: my producers this personal story will always be the key
Speaker 1: to keep people in their seats, and.
Speaker 2: We need more people to make that the edict if
Speaker 2: we get because I don't want to ever get to
Speaker 2: a point where we have trained the audience to not
Speaker 2: love that and to not feel that or to actually
Speaker 2: like go again, because I believe still the audiences are
Speaker 2: savvy enough of when you see something real, you get
Speaker 2: goosebumps almost you know you're watching something real, for better
Speaker 2: or worse. But now you see these shows with so
Speaker 2: many tricks and so many fourth wall breaking, and you know,
Speaker 2: it's like you have to really dig through a bunch
Speaker 2: of mess to actually get through to the truth. And
Speaker 2: you don't want the mess to become the standard. You
Speaker 2: don't want the mess to become something of like, oh,
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm watching something entertaining because I'm told
Speaker 2: this is entertaining. It's like you always want people to
Speaker 2: be like, No, it's relationship, relationship, relationship, A.
Speaker 1: Great, A great listen, Raine Jobs. That's why if you
Speaker 1: haven't on Brady, which I'm sure you have, but if
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Speaker 1: has an amazing, awesome podcast, So bad It's Good with
Speaker 1: Ryan Bailey. And I want to say, you dropped like
Speaker 1: five episodes a week.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do. Listen. This is a this is a sad,
Speaker 2: sad desperation from an old man. No, listen, Carlos. When
Speaker 2: you find something that you love, you just want to
Speaker 2: do it as much as possible, and I truly do
Speaker 2: love this, but this is my career. I want to
Speaker 2: work in this for the rest of my life. And
Speaker 2: you know, like listen I said the other day, if
Speaker 2: I was in my twenties, I would go I mean
Speaker 2: I would fully run into production or being a Bravo executive.
Speaker 2: But not, I'm doing a podcast and so come have
Speaker 2: fun with us. But if not, there are so many
Speaker 2: great podcasts out there, and I'm just delighted to be
Speaker 2: able to have this conversation with you. I look forward
Speaker 2: to talking to you all the time. And next time
Speaker 2: you're in Los Angeles, you better come on my show.
Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I want. Well, you know I love you. I I
Speaker 1: think you're so great and you know that. And I'm
Speaker 1: so happy to see you continue to do this and
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Speaker 2: Also for the Coromo interview, I'm thinking about the Coromo interview.
Speaker 2: That was another one when you guys were like hinting
Speaker 2: around like the love of his life. He's like, I
Speaker 2: was like, WHOA, I brought that up on my show too.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, and then that turned
Speaker 2: out I was my mind was blown. I was like, whoa,
Speaker 2: I mean want to come.
Speaker 1: Right, I have a couple more lined up that's gonna
Speaker 1: blow your mind.
Speaker 2: I mean keep doing. I mean like I'm just like
Speaker 2: you are turning into be that place to go for
Speaker 2: these like interviews where it like kind of changes the
Speaker 2: way people think or actually you get some sort of
Speaker 2: I don't know, I just hats off. I study these things.
Speaker 2: So man, just amazing.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you, Ryan PRETI I don't say.
Speaker 2: I'm kissing his ass. By the way, I can already
Speaker 2: see you commenter saying that I truly know.
Speaker 1: You're not first of all referend and you're not new
Speaker 1: to this podcast. Please so no, I I appreciate that Ryan,
Speaker 1: and I got you. When I'm in LA, I would
Speaker 1: love to come in your podcast.
Speaker 2: Okay, awesome man, Thank you guys
Speaker 1: All right, thank you, bye bye,