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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host Mark Kenyan. In this episode number one sixteen tay.

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Speaker 1: In the show, we're joined by outdoor writer Steve Bartilla

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Speaker 1: for an incredibly fascinating deep dive into the strategies and

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Speaker 1: insights that have led his very impressive white tail success.

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Speaker 1: All Right, welcome to another episode of the Wired to

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Speaker 1: Hunt podcast, brought to you by SI Gear. Like I

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Speaker 1: just mentioned today, we're joined by Steve Bartilla again. He

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Speaker 1: was with us early on in the podcasting years back

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Speaker 1: in two thousand and fourteen. Um, but Steve's gonna come

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Speaker 1: on today and talk about some really interesting things that

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Speaker 1: I recently read about in his book Big Buck Secrets. UM.

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Speaker 1: Steve is a long time outdoor writer, frequent contributor to

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Speaker 1: magazines like North American Whitetail and Deer and Deer Hunting.

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Speaker 1: He's the author of I think four different books, uh,

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Speaker 1: including like I just mentioned, Big Buck Secrets, which really

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Speaker 1: is a read one of my one of the most

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Speaker 1: enjoyable reads I've had in the hunting world in quite

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Speaker 1: a while. So that's gonna be the game plan. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna dive into a whole wide breath of topics related

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Speaker 1: to deer hunting, managing, deer habitat, improvements for deer public

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Speaker 1: land hunting. Um, it's gonna be super interesting. But before

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Speaker 1: we get to that really quickly, Dan, my co host extraordinaire,

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Speaker 1: you've got a few updates right, some some new things

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Speaker 1: going on your hunting world that we should probably touch

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Speaker 1: on before we call. Steve worked. I planted and finished,

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Speaker 1: well I shouldn't say finished, but I planted my very

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Speaker 1: first food plot. Very exciting. You did it. That's awesome, man.

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Speaker 1: My buddy has a like a writing lawn, Moore, it's

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Speaker 1: a bigger writing lawn. More. Um, I hit up someone

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Speaker 1: I knew who had something called a rhodo ho. It's um.

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Speaker 1: It's not a tiller, but if you go over the

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Speaker 1: ground enough time, it really tears the dirt up. I

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Speaker 1: got that those Brassicas that you sent me. Um, I

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Speaker 1: got those in. I got the line put down, and uh,

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Speaker 1: and then I I don't I didn't have a cul

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Speaker 1: to packer, so I just took that same um writing

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Speaker 1: to do is fertilize it. But hey, I got a

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Speaker 1: food plot in. That's awesome. That's a good feeling, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: see if anything sprouting yet or if it's grown or

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Speaker 1: I was done with it, I felt like a man.

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Speaker 1: I felt like, look at what I have done. And

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Speaker 1: now the next thing. If you're at all like me,

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Speaker 1: at least after after every food plot I plant, I

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Speaker 1: just obsessively watched the weather now, just praying for rain.

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Speaker 1: Have you found yourself doing that? Yeah? I did? Uh fortunately,

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Speaker 1: uh the night that so I finished it last Friday,

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Speaker 1: What about what about your jungle that we talked about,

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Speaker 1: It's still kind of a jungle. I cannot even tell

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Speaker 1: you what a debaccle this whole thing has been. So

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Speaker 1: And then I call a friend who does some food

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Speaker 1: Right now. So that was last week. I'm like, son

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Speaker 1: And I try to get to start, and it won't start.

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Speaker 1: stud and I'm like, I did it. He's like, what

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Speaker 1: thank you. But I put up a new ground blind

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Speaker 1: And that crazy. I got some bad news on that front.

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Speaker 1: that's open to public hunting out there, um, and that

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Speaker 1: every year that stuff has to get renewed. Well, August

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Speaker 1: So now I'm kind of scurrying around trying to find

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Speaker 1: the other little things that you're paying attention to in

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00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:24,560
Speaker 1: that scenario to help you push the down great question.

428
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:29,200
Speaker 1: One of one of the most productive public public lands

429
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:34,920
Speaker 1: stands I had for about five years running was a

430
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,639
Speaker 1: strip of mature timber between two really thick clear cuts

431
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:43,359
Speaker 1: clear cut regrowth um. They were using this strip of

432
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 1: mature timber as a funnel when they go through to

433
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 1: their normal trenivels, Because I mean, a good way to

434
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,679
Speaker 1: look at things is if you think it would be

435
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:54,440
Speaker 1: a pain in the butt for you to walk through

436
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 1: something with a stand on your back, you know what

437
00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:01,360
Speaker 1: that that buck with that eighteen nine and sidespread it's

438
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 1: probably a pain for him to walk through as well.

439
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 1: So I mean, don't get me wrong, there's plenty of

440
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 1: reasons why they'll go into those clear cuts. Oftentimes they

441
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 1: live in the dark day, they're daylight core areas there

442
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 1: with him. But when they're just trying to get from

443
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 1: point day to point B, rather than walk through the

444
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:19,400
Speaker 1: middle of that thing, they're going to take the path

445
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:23,879
Speaker 1: release resistance. But that funnel area there, so you have

446
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:28,199
Speaker 1: natural funnel um just because of the thick stuff on

447
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 1: both sides and the approximately hundred yard wide strip of

448
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 1: mature timber. I don't know about you guys, but I

449
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 1: can't cover a hundred yard wide strip of timber with

450
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:43,160
Speaker 1: a bowl. So what I did there each spring, I'd

451
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:47,400
Speaker 1: go in and I'd take up every darn decent size

452
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 1: fallen branch I could possibly find, and I created a

453
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 1: little blockade each spring and then fixed it up the

454
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 1: the the following springs where you know what, I can't

455
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,679
Speaker 1: cover a hundred yard wide things, uh funnel, but I

456
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 1: can cover forty yard white funnel. So I went ahead

457
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 1: and blockaded it down to forty yards those little To me,

458
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 1: hunting is all about stacking as many little things in

459
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:19,400
Speaker 1: your favor as you can whenever I think we are awesome,

460
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 1: flat out awesome and getting out there and scouting our

461
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 1: tails off, finding that one spot, that one spot that

462
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,159
Speaker 1: is this is the spot that I believe that I

463
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 1: am going to interrupt Mr Big during legal shooting hours.

464
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 1: We hang the stand, we walk away with their chest out.

465
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 1: But I think we missed a critical step, and that

466
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 1: is okay, this is the spot. My stand is up

467
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:50,400
Speaker 1: in that tree. We're so much farther ahead than we

468
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 1: were before we did this. But now, what can I

469
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 1: do to make this location better? That that tree? I

470
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 1: kind of stick out like a sore thumb that a

471
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,120
Speaker 1: little bit, but it's the only tree that would work.

472
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 1: So let's cut some branches and go ahead and attach

473
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 1: it to the tree and make it so it has covered.

474
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 1: Go ahead and put some on the back of the

475
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 1: tree so we've got back cover. Maybe put a couple

476
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 1: in the very outside of outside the platform so we

477
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 1: had a little bit of front cover. Now all of

478
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: a sudden, I can move and let's say sixt yards

479
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: up from the stand, that trail splits. One goes off

480
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 1: to the left and the other one to the right

481
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: where we were that were covered, and for whatever reason,

482
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 1: that's not why we need to set up at we

483
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,880
Speaker 1: need to set up where we are. We'll go ahead

484
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,199
Speaker 1: and lay a couple of branches across the trailer you

485
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: don't want them to use. Does that mean every deer

486
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 1: now is not going to use that trail hat? No,

487
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 1: But all you need is the one deer that you're

488
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,919
Speaker 1: trying to kill to do what you want. And I

489
00:26:54,960 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 1: think it's worthwhile. And then older control um targeting, targeting

490
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: specific stands for a reason, not just because this is

491
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 1: a really good stand, but this happens to be a

492
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 1: really good stand for this phase of season, and we're

493
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 1: in that phase of season now, so that's when I

494
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:15,880
Speaker 1: want to hunt it when the odds are the highest

495
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,919
Speaker 1: that that stand is gonna pay off, or something as

496
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: simple as what we were talking about originally having a

497
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:26,679
Speaker 1: whole bunch of different stands up so that he's not

498
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 1: supposed to be back in here, but twice I and

499
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,360
Speaker 1: my buddies have seen him back in there going through

500
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 1: this area. And he's not supposed to be doing this

501
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:41,360
Speaker 1: during early season. He's supposed to wait until keep pre rout,

502
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,719
Speaker 1: but dangity's doing it now, So I'm gonna go kill

503
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 1: him now to just being able to jump when the

504
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: when the bucks are screaming, waving their arms saying, hey, idiot,

505
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 1: come here and kill me. Having everything in place makes

506
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,439
Speaker 1: me look heckful out smartyr I've yet to see the

507
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,719
Speaker 1: big buck yell at me to have them come kill me.

508
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:06,880
Speaker 1: But I'm hoping that happens here soon because I would.

509
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 1: I would love that situation. But it will, trust me,

510
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 1: it will it take. I'm not gonna don't take what

511
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 1: I just said wrong. That's not normal. It's not But

512
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: there's been jeez six seven and bucks off the top

513
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: of my head over the years that literally jumping up

514
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 1: and down, waving their arms and saying, you idiot, I

515
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: am ripe, And until you got to do is show

516
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,719
Speaker 1: up and not blow the shot inack. I've even had

517
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: a couple of them where I did blow the shot,

518
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: but still they had such a death wish I ended

519
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: up taking. It's it's fun and humbling at the same time.

520
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, I don't care what anybody out

521
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: there says. You know, if they're sitting there trying to

522
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: tell your listeners that they never they never make a

523
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: mess of things. Out in the deer woods. They never

524
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: blow shots. They never do anything stupid. Either they're I

525
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: hate to use the strong language, but either they're a

526
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: liar or they are a really bad hunter who just

527
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: never had the opportunities for things to go wrong. I

528
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: don't care who we are, how much of practice, any

529
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: of that stuff. Things are going to go wrong out there.

530
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: Sometimes part of what makes it sweet when they go right. Yeah,

531
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: I think that's how me and Dan have made our

532
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: little mark in the in the industry has just simply

533
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 1: by the fact that we make so many mistakes. That

534
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 1: might be the one thing we have going for us

535
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: to this day. The most popular clip I have ever

536
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: filmed is me absolutely blowing a gift wrap shot at

537
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: a at about a hundred and sixty eight point that

538
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: I was doing a tip for back in the days

539
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: that before Double Bowl, Arch re sold for their television

540
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 1: show on calling and rattling with decoys and ground block,

541
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: and I had no no fantasy of actually calling anything

542
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: in I look up in there, well, jeez, there's about

543
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: a hundred and sixty eight point fifty yards away staring

544
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: at me. Oh man, this guy. I wasn't gonna film

545
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: any hunts of just filming an attempt. But why I

546
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 1: gotta get this on film? How often you go ahead?

547
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: How often are you doing a temp on calling rattling

548
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: decoys and ground blinds and I actually get to kill

549
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: a hundred and six? I mean, this stuff doesn't happen.

550
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: I whoa, this is awesome. Here he comes, I'm filming,

551
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: I'm filming, I'm filming, and all of a sudden, he's

552
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: about ten yards away from the decoys. Okay, well, something's

553
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: gonna go down here one way or another. Either he's

554
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: gonna bolt or he's gonna crash that decoy, and then

555
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,719
Speaker 1: he's gonna both. I gotta shoot this thing, something that

556
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: I wasn't planning on doing with a camera. So I

557
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: shifted him to the back of frame. Come to folter

558
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: off thirty yards Let the errify he was twenty duck

559
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: the erro and I went but as but as an

560
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: have a bonus. The farmer has spread manure on the

561
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: alf alfa field the day before, so you got to

562
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: watch that arrow skip forever across that field background. I

563
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: want to head and turn the camera back on me.

564
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: Picked up the range fighter and said new tip of

565
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: the day. Range finders usually actually their purpose. That's brutal.

566
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: I got a random I got a random question for you, Steve.

567
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: Have you ever you know, you mentioned something about, you know,

568
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: trying to you know, close the distance on that pinch point,

569
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: you know, from a hundred yards to forty yards. But

570
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: have you ever purposely went into an area to screw

571
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: it up maybe or lay down scent or make noise

572
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: or bump a deer in order to try to kill

573
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: them in another location? I can honestly say I've never

574
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: tried it. I think that's a great idea. And that's

575
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: kind of what I mean by pushing the envelope when

576
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 1: they taking this full circle back to the original question

577
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: that I took us way off on attention on um.

578
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: You know what, when I was a kid, and you

579
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: guys are young enough that you can probably relate to

580
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: this as well. When when I was a kid, I

581
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: used to do all sorts of dumb things out hunting.

582
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not talking about dangerous things, but just dumb.

583
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: There's no way that's gonna work everyone, So while they work,

584
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: if you if you have nothing left to lose, you know,

585
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: it's one thing if you're talking about managing your property

586
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: and what you're trying to do is you're trying to

587
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: you're trying to split your efforts as much between killing

588
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: deer and raising them. That's a different story. But if

589
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: you're just out there hunting and something isn't working for you,

590
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: try something anything, because unless something changes, it's not gonna work.

591
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: And that is something that I wouldn't I would applaud

592
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: somebody for trying. I can't promise it's gonna work or not,

593
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: but I would applaud somebody for at least trying. We've

594
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 1: lost so much we have. We're in a time where

595
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: we're both blessed and cursed with information. There's so much

596
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: information on how you hunt mature dear or white tails period, Okay,

597
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: that we tend not to try the off the wall

598
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: stuff anymore. And that's that is something that I think

599
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: is kind of being lost because I can't speak for

600
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: you guys, but I'll tell you what I learned a

601
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: heck of a lot more from my failures and I

602
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: ever do from my successes. Very true, Now, Steve, was

603
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: this you? I remember hearing someone mentioned this, and I

604
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: can't remember it was you or somebody else, But have

605
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,719
Speaker 1: you ever used a trail camera, like set up across

606
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: the field one of you, like maybe a flash camera

607
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: or whatever type that you think maybe dear do get

608
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: spooked by, and then that would force them to possibly

609
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: come to your side of the field where you're actually hunting.

610
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: Was that something you've done before? Okay, so I do

611
00:33:56,280 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: that awesome? Um. I protect particularly doom with the with

612
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: the red flash, the red flash or or standard flash cameras,

613
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 1: because what I've found is you can never say when

614
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: it comes to deer hunting. In my opinion, you can

615
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 1: never say never or always. You know know that there's exceptions

616
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: to everything. We're just playing odds more. Most often that

617
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 1: red flash or white flash is not enough to actually

618
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: spoop that buck off of that property on what what

619
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,359
Speaker 1: he does if he doesn't like it. Most of them,

620
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 1: I would go so far as to say most don't care, okay,

621
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 1: but there is that percent that they do not like that.

622
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 1: It is not natural. It it creaks them out, for

623
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: lack of a better term. Um, So they tend to

624
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 1: just shift their activities away from triggering the camera. And yeah, exactly,

625
00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: there's a couple a couple of different locations them that

626
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 1: popped to mind right now that I've got older red

627
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 1: flash cameras set up on the opposite side of the

628
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: food source one hundred, just to nudge those ones that

629
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: don't like it a little bit closer to the stand.

630
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:21,280
Speaker 1: It's that type of thinking outside the box stuff that

631
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: that I was getting to that I said, I think

632
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 1: we've kind of lost I mean, we we've we're we

633
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: preach so much that you can't spook dear. You can't

634
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 1: do you spook dear. It's a kiss of that. Well,

635
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: in some situations it is, but in some situations you

636
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 1: can use it to your advantage a little bit. Now,

637
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: these deer are far from turned inside out spooked, but

638
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: you know they the cameras make them a little nervous,

639
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: So let's avoid them. If they're going to avoid them,

640
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: might as well put them in areas that we can't cover.

641
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: That way, they concentrate in more in the areas we can. Yeah,

642
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: it's right in the line with a whole. Like we

643
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: were talking about stacking the odds, that's one more way

644
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,399
Speaker 1: to stack the odds for a specific stand, to push

645
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: them a little bit closer in that location. Um. And

646
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: another one of these odds stackers um that I've that

647
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: I've heard you talk about in the past, is using

648
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 1: scrapes or created mock scrapes to do the same kind

649
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 1: of thing, placing mock scrapes near a tree stand location

650
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: to just potentially give you a slightly better chance for

651
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:32,720
Speaker 1: a shot there. Can you talk about how you use that? Certainly? Um,

652
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: what I what I do more often than not on

653
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: on stands. We all know, including most of your listeners,

654
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: there's lots of areas that if you set up on

655
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: a wide open field, a wide open, fresh clear cut

656
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,760
Speaker 1: that hasn't reached end yet, know anything, wide open, odds

657
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: are you're not going to kill Mr Big. He's not

658
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: coming up now. In Iowa and Illinois and northern Missouri

659
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 1: and certain areas of Wisconsin, sure you can, but it's

660
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: not like that everywhere. Um, when I am hunting the

661
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: edge of an opening, what I'll do is how nine

662
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 1: times out of town, I'll go ahead and cut a

663
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: tree that when planted, when planted with a post hole digger,

664
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: um about three feet into the ground, is going to

665
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: stick out like a turn in the punch bowl and

666
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:33,399
Speaker 1: have licking branches right at nose level. Of these deer

667
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 1: scrapes are essentially the white tails world's equivalent to human billboards.

668
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: They're meant to communicate information to as many other deer

669
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 1: as you can. When that scrape tree happens to be

670
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 1: sitting out a fifteen twenty yards into that wide open

671
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: clear that wide open fresh clear cut, that meadow, that

672
00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 1: cloverfield at Alfalfa Field, you know, pick Earn Field. So

673
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: I didn't feel anything open like that. It's like a

674
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 1: neon sign saying come on over here and make a

675
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: scrape because it's gonna stick out like a sore thumb.

676
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: So it's one of those little things that you can

677
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 1: do that again, just stack the odds the there's really

678
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,800
Speaker 1: no great trick to it. The one the things that

679
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: would say is that if you're gonna use if you're

680
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: gonna be hunting here long term, you know, not just

681
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:30,760
Speaker 1: this year. It's good if you use hardwoods simply because

682
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 1: I'm lazy. I don't want to go ahead and plant

683
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: this tree every single year if I don't have to.

684
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 1: When I can get three to four years of use

685
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 1: typically out of out of a hardwood versus a soft wood,

686
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: um and then point those looking branches back towards the stand.

687
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: So now when Mr Big comes into work and you

688
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: know he's giving you a good shot angle and he

689
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:58,399
Speaker 1: is averting his attention away from you, so you don't

690
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,439
Speaker 1: have anywhere near as much of an issue. Are coming

691
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 1: to folder taking your time settling the pin let in

692
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: the air? Fly? Do you see any Do you see

693
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 1: any um issue with a dead licking branch? So let's

694
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 1: say you put one up in the summer or last summer.

695
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,439
Speaker 1: Even now, you still have this branch hanging out over there,

696
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: Do dear prefer a live tree branch for this type

697
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 1: of situation versus that dead one? Like I guess I'm wondering,

698
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 1: should I be putting a hole in the side of

699
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:27,919
Speaker 1: this tree so I can put in a new looking

700
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,800
Speaker 1: branch every fall or something like that? Have I actually

701
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: contemplated doing that for the simple reason that if I

702
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: just have to put a licking branch on the side

703
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: of this thing every year, um, that's less work for me.

704
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 1: And when you're dealing with I mean I probably plant

705
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: fifty or so scrape trees this here. Well, you do

706
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: know what if I can eliminate and having to plant

707
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 1: forty of them because I have poles out there with holes,

708
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:55,439
Speaker 1: and then I think that would be a good thing.

709
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: I haven't ever tried that though. The only difference that

710
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: I've seen in in usage from bucks is when you

711
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: do something. When I did something stupid and actually trying

712
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: to use the hawthorne tree, well't they didn't like rubbing

713
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: up against the thorns that much. Um. I only made

714
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: that mistake once, and I was desperate at the time

715
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: for something and the only thing I could come up with,

716
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: and it did not work. I completely wasted my time.

717
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: The other thing is is the in general, who with

718
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 1: within a reasonable extent at least the bush here that

719
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,760
Speaker 1: scrape tree is, the more activity it tends to tends

720
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: to suck in over to it, to it just because

721
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: it sticks over. But I've got I've got plenty a

722
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: glut of pictures and videos of bucks working clicking branches

723
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 1: that are three years old, dead as a doornail, and

724
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem to matter to them. It's good to

725
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 1: know on this topic of scrapes. It reminded me of

726
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 1: an article I've read of yours recently. UM. I think

727
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 1: the article's titled something about wasting their time or talking

728
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 1: about dear time wasters or something like that, and the

729
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: kind of the gist of the article was some different

730
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: things you can incorporate onto a hunting property to potentially

731
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,439
Speaker 1: keep a buck on your farm during daylight a little

732
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 1: bit longer. And one of the things you mentioned, we're

733
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: using scrapes or mox scrapes. Can you talk a little

734
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: bit about this concept of time wasters and what people

735
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 1: could possibly you know, what actual examples that of those

736
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,919
Speaker 1: that might be sure, well, that's that's a big one

737
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: for people that both can manage their habitat you know,

738
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: not everybody can. Overwhelming majority of people out there hunting

739
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 1: probably are hunting like fin like I still do to

740
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: this day to an extent, but like I grew up hunting,

741
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 1: and that was getting permission from their uncle, getting permission

742
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: from some neighbor lady, getting permission from god knows who.

743
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 1: You go if there were a chains in your hand,

744
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: and you probably won't have permission the next year. Um,

745
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: but if you can control your ground, oh man, the

746
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 1: games you can play are just almost obscene. Um. Something

747
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 1: as simple as okay, during the off season, you're out

748
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 1: there scouting. You figure out that Mr Big is betting

749
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,839
Speaker 1: on this point, and this point is one of the

750
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:28,879
Speaker 1: best things of person One of the things that helped

751
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 1: me most in my evolution as a hunter is to

752
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: get away from just being content with finding sign but

753
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 1: trying to understand why that buck did this here? What

754
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: are the odds of him doing it again? Now? Um

755
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 1: asking the why questions when you're finding these beds in

756
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: the off season, squat down in the darn things. Squat

757
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 1: down and look around and ask, Okay, I have all

758
00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: the places that Mr Big could bet, why is he

759
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 1: betting in this location right here? You do that, You

760
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: do that even ten times, and the pattern starts to emerge.

761
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: Now you see that they like. They like either being

762
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: on the very edge of the thick, nasty stuff that

763
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: one jump, they're gone, or they like to have a

764
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: very wide range of view, a very wide field division,

765
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 1: so they can see virtually everything that's going on around him.

766
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 1: And then I'm not saying that the bucks always changed

767
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 1: their betting locations based on wind direction, but when that

768
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: wind happens to be coming over their backside, now now

769
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 1: nothing's sneaking up from behind them, and they can see

770
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 1: everything down below. Man, he's he's bullet proof. And because

771
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 1: of that, you'll find that mature bucks on the property

772
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,879
Speaker 1: tend to bet in the same place as year after

773
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: year after year after year after he's dead, But here

774
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: comes another one year after year after he's dead, But

775
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: here comes another one after year after year, because of

776
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: all these advantages that that location gives them. Okay, so

777
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: so you find that look, you know, and getting off

778
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 1: on actually explaining a little bit better. Here, really easy

779
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:17,399
Speaker 1: way to determine between stack. The odds of being right

780
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 1: in determining whether this is a family group betting area

781
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 1: or a mature buck is just playing the number and

782
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 1: the size of the beds you find a bunch of

783
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 1: you find three or four big beds, a couple of

784
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:33,399
Speaker 1: small beds. Odds, are those nuts your family group? There

785
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: you find one or two big beds that are about

786
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: the same size, especially if, especially if there happens to

787
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 1: be a rubber scrape in the area, and then there

788
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 1: happens to be a really big track in that bed,

789
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: odds are pretty darn good that was a mature buck.

790
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 1: But so once you start putting this stuff together and

791
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 1: you figure out that I can't swear I know what

792
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: buck is going to be betting on this point this year,

793
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: but I can almost guarantee it's gonna be one of

794
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,399
Speaker 1: the big boys, because that has so many advantages. Now

795
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: our food source is over to the west. If I

796
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: go ahead and create about a ten yard wide opening,

797
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: and I can do it with a chainsaw, bolldozer would

798
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: be awesome, But I can do it with the chainsaw,

799
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 1: no problem. We can have stumps. We can go ahead

800
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: and top seed some old cereal rye or some clover

801
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,359
Speaker 1: right on top of the dirt, and it's going to grow.

802
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,240
Speaker 1: As I said to begin this, remember we're not cash

803
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: cropping or just trying to give the deer a little

804
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 1: bit of food. So I'll go ahead and create a

805
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: little ten yard wide uh strip going halfway back to

806
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,879
Speaker 1: that bedding area. Then do a little edge feathering, which

807
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: is hinge cutting about a five yard band on either

808
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: side of that. So now we get more sunlight in here.

809
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 1: When I'm cutting off those trees, I might as well

810
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: cut them in about chest level. Cut them off that way,

811
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 1: the ones that are in the plot, because now I

812
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 1: can go ahead and I can nail a bunch of

813
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:07,320
Speaker 1: licking branches on that. So he's going from that point

814
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 1: now down that trail working as scrapes going out to

815
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: the neighbor's farm field. I can get in there about

816
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 1: the whole fifty yards off the line. Hopefully those scrapes

817
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 1: slowed them down enough so now he's coming past me

818
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 1: ten minutes of shooting light left, which is I'm still golden.

819
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,320
Speaker 1: But by the time he gets over to the neighbors,

820
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 1: when he jumps that fence to get out on that field,

821
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 1: it's pitch dark though it's Those are the types of

822
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: little games that I play a ton on the managed grounds. Um,

823
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 1: the more in general, the more time you can get

824
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: him to waste, especially when you're trying to raise box

825
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,839
Speaker 1: that they're not power bocks, but we can't help them

826
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: get to maturity. God love the people that got them

827
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 1: being in some serios as I possibly could be. God

828
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: loved the meat hunters in the world. This stuff is

829
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: supposed to be fun. They have every right to do that.

830
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 1: But on my side of the fence, I have every

831
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: rate two to swave Mr Big from being over there

832
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 1: during legal shooting light. Having every time he works one

833
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: of those scrapes, he's wasting anywhere from thirty thirty seconds

834
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 1: to five minutes. And so often, I mean, you guys

835
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 1: know as well as I do. So often the difference

836
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: between success and a thrilling close call is nothing but seconds.

837
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 1: And if I can waste fifteen more minutes of his

838
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 1: time on my ground, I am that much further ahead.

839
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 1: And along those lines, some more of the things that

840
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 1: I do is I try to on my managed habitat,

841
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,879
Speaker 1: I try to divide it up. Rather than if I've

842
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 1: gotten eighty, rather than go ahead and put one main

843
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: food source in the place, I'm gonna put four, I'll

844
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 1: put four water sources on the place. I'll go ahead

845
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: and try to make it so that I have at

846
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 1: least four different areas of thick, nasty cover that the

847
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 1: doughs like to bed end. So now when Mr Big

848
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 1: he doesn't even live on our place now, he lives

849
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: over on he lives over on the neighbors. But he's

850
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 1: coming through to check dolls. Now he doesn't just have

851
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 1: to check one food source, one water hole, and one

852
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 1: bedding area. He has to check four. And when he

853
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 1: has to check four, he's wasting more time on our ground,

854
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: obviously giving us a better chance of killing him. I

855
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: hope that kind of sort of answer to your question

856
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 1: a little bit anyway. Yeah, I know that's perfect, and

857
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 1: it's it's interesting. Everything everything falls under this common theme

858
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: of finding ways to stack those odds. And as we

859
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 1: were talking about this, another thing that I've heard you

860
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,320
Speaker 1: talk about in the past came to mind again, which

861
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: was kind of related to this whole habitat topic. If

862
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: we have the ability to manage habitat, or to at

863
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 1: least control who hunts our property, we can implement sanctuaries.

864
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: Can you talk about how you think about sanctuaries, how

865
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: you use them? Thanks who, I will tell you right now.

866
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 1: For as much press, for as much press and coverage

867
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: on TV that food plots get, nothing, nothing makes a

868
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:29,359
Speaker 1: difference for more habitat out there than sanctuaries. And it

869
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 1: doesn't cost you a cent. It's the entire approach that

870
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: I take to the hunting public ground. You find those

871
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: pockets that nobody else is going, and guess where you're

872
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 1: finding the mature dear. Guess where you're finding the most

873
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 1: dear in those pockets here are no different whatsoever. Excuse me,

874
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: then our dogs at home in that we can train

875
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:59,439
Speaker 1: them to accept virtually anything, and we can train them

876
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 1: to fee year virtually everything. And every single time we're

877
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 1: going out in the woods hunting, whether we're trying to

878
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: or not. We are training deer now most often we're

879
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 1: training them to do things that are against our interest.

880
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:18,280
Speaker 1: Is hunting in hunt as hunters, you know, in the

881
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: sanctuaries are the exact or verse. We're training them to

882
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 1: do what's in our best interest. The first thing I

883
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: do is I go, well, first question, what is a

884
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:31,800
Speaker 1: sanctuary a sanctuary? If you're going to use the purest

885
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: definition a sanctuary as an area that we never step

886
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 1: foot in, period, end the story. I'm not a purist, okay.

887
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:42,760
Speaker 1: I I am scouting these sanctuaries during the off season

888
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 1: every year. I will even put some tree stands up

889
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 1: in those sanctuaries with the idea that you know, going

890
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: back to how many stands I hang, going back to

891
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: the idea that I'm not hunting here. The only way

892
00:50:56,160 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: I'm hunting here is if I have pictures of Uster Big.

893
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: I know Mr Big is living on this ground. I

894
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: believe he's living in my sanctuary. You know. By how

895
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: do you know? You know? Because his picture at the

896
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 1: food source every night happens to be between a half

897
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 1: hour to an hour after dark, you know, And from

898
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 1: the direction he's coming in, and he's coming in from

899
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 1: the heart of this eighty odds are he's not walking

900
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,359
Speaker 1: all the way across the eighty to get here. He's

901
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 1: probably better back in that sanctuary there. When I just

902
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 1: plane cannot get it done from the outside of the sanctuary,

903
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,320
Speaker 1: I will go in and hunt it once or twice

904
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 1: the entire year, going well before first light, and I'm

905
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 1: planning on staying all day. Are killing one of the two?

906
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 1: Um But as I said, I'm trying not to. I'm

907
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 1: trying not to go into that sanctuary, and I'm not

908
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: going to go into it for any other reason except

909
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: for for on the off chance of hunting or uh

910
00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 1: tracking a dear during season. Okay, So to me, a

911
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: sanctuary is essentially an area that I try to stay

912
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: out of during season as much as humanly possible. Um So,

913
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: then how do you go ahead and define a sanctuary? Well,

914
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:15,839
Speaker 1: I think one of the biggest keys that a lot

915
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 1: of people miss is the natural human reaction as hunters

916
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: is you want to get as deep in the cover

917
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:26,439
Speaker 1: as you possibly can. Hey man, that's where Mr Biggs living.

918
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 1: That's where I'm gonna go. But how the heck do

919
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: you get in there without alerting every single dear in

920
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 1: the property that you're hunting them, How do you get

921
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 1: out at the end of the day if you're going

922
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 1: to hunt the stand numerous times. Now, if this isn't

923
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 1: just a one shot deal, that is every bit as

924
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:48,720
Speaker 1: important as the individual hunts, because far too many people

925
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:52,479
Speaker 1: go ahead and explode their property before before the rut

926
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 1: even gets close, you know, which is why a lot

927
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 1: of quote unquote experts suggests a person shouldn't even start

928
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 1: hunting until the rut. It's because they're trying to train

929
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:05,720
Speaker 1: the deer on their ground that they're safe. With a sanctuary,

930
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 1: you can hunt that property hard the entire season and

931
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 1: still get the advantages. The way you pull it off

932
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: is anything that's high impact for getting in, getting out

933
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 1: or hunting right off the bat is a sanctuary. In

934
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 1: my mind, what I try to do is I try

935
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 1: to design properties so that they vary from property property,

936
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,360
Speaker 1: but in general, so I can go ahead and hunt

937
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 1: the outside effectively in a low impact manner and leave

938
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 1: most of the deer cover just playing alone, just going

939
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 1: to it during the off season, do a little improvement

940
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,760
Speaker 1: to improve the cover that type of stuff, but during season,

941
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:48,879
Speaker 1: you know, you don't have to worry about me coming

942
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 1: in there. You're safe here while the neighbors, and this

943
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 1: is a huge key everybody. Most everybody complains about the neighbors.

944
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 1: If they only hunted like me, if they were only

945
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 1: good hunters, if they only would have let that buck walk. Well,

946
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 1: you know what, those hunters, when you have a sanctuary,

947
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 1: they're your best friends because they're trashing their ground. They're

948
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 1: trashing their ground, and it does not take deer long

949
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:22,919
Speaker 1: at all to figure out I'm not being disturbed over here.

950
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 1: So as season progresses, your deer numbers are actually climbing

951
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: the more and more your neighbors are hunting. And at

952
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 1: the same time, you're training them that, you know what,

953
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 1: it's safe to move around on this property during the

954
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 1: legal light. Just like those public ground bucks. They realize

955
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: that within that same short of that area that's blocked

956
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 1: off by that nasty ravine that nobody's willing to cross.

957
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 1: Over there, I can move just find during legal shooting

958
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 1: hours and don't have to worry about it. I just

959
00:54:56,600 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 1: can't cross that ditch because over there, I move around

960
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:04,800
Speaker 1: during legal shooting hours, I'm smelling and seeing people like crazy,

961
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 1: We're doing the same thing on our properties. We're designing

962
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 1: these areas that the bucks in the doors and fawns

963
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,800
Speaker 1: all feel safe in, all are willing to move around

964
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 1: during legal shooting hours, and then trying to set it

965
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 1: up so we have little little staging plots right along

966
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 1: the edges. Count because there in that little half acre

967
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:33,359
Speaker 1: opening in the middle of the woods. Mr biggas fire

968
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 1: more willing to step out during the legal shooting light,

969
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 1: especially when it's right on the edge of this area

970
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 1: that he's never disturbed him. I got a quick question,

971
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:47,320
Speaker 1: is that do you have a different sanctuary for different

972
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: wind directions? Because I have a property that a majority

973
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:54,360
Speaker 1: of the food is on the south side of the

974
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 1: property and been depending on the wind direction depends on

975
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 1: where on the property you know they bed. So, Um,

976
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 1: if I was to establish a sanctuary on one part,

977
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 1: do you feel that the deer would then come to

978
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 1: that sanctuary, even though the wind may not be right

979
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:21,319
Speaker 1: for them to bed in that in that area. It's

980
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 1: good you're stacking the odds for that to happen, But

981
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 1: so many things, this is a really difficult part. I

982
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 1: just got done, if you don't mind me giving myself

983
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 1: a plug. Um, I just got done writing a Habitat

984
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 1: Habitat and Deer Management book UM that came out this

985
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 1: past spring. It was the most challenging writing I've ever

986
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 1: done in my life. I want to have done this

987
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 1: type of consulting work for right around just over twenty

988
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 1: five years. But every single property is different. So so

989
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 1: making blanket statements about how this is how you do

990
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 1: it and pacific terms, I'll play it what. It's tough

991
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:06,760
Speaker 1: because on your ground, on your ground, it is entirely

992
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 1: possible based on what you're saying. Heck, it's probable that

993
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 1: the best thing you can do is that they have

994
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 1: they have numerous that your your deer have numerous areas

995
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 1: on that property that they prefer betting in a lot

996
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 1: of properties don't. As a matter of fact, most properties,

997
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 1: you've got one or two spots and actually where the

998
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 1: deer really like to bed, and they're going to probably

999
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 1: be bed there no matter what the wind is, because

1000
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 1: they don't have other alternatives when they do. In a

1001
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 1: situation like that, I tend to. I can't say I've

1002
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 1: ever set up specifically set up sanctuaries based for a

1003
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 1: given wind, but what I do is, man, I am

1004
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 1: always thinking about wind direction when it comes to entrance,

1005
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 1: hunting and exit, and what I want to do as

1006
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 1: much as possible is I want my access to be

1007
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 1: along the property line, and I want my orders blowing

1008
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 1: into the neighbors when I'm heading over to the stand.

1009
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 1: I want my orders to be blowing into the neighbors

1010
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 1: while I'm on stand. I want my orders blowing towards

1011
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 1: neighbors when I'm leaving to go back to the truck.

1012
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 1: And by taking that approach, you're essentially setting up sanctuary's

1013
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 1: based off the wind direction because you're not hunting these

1014
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 1: other areas when you have those various winds, if that

1015
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 1: makes any sense at all. Right, interesting, So speaking about

1016
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 1: betting areas, that brought me to another really interesting thing

1017
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 1: I read about in your other book, This Big Buck Secrets,

1018
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 1: where you talked about some interesting ways that you can

1019
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 1: utilize knowledge about dope family groups to improve your hunting.

1020
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 1: It's particular you talked about how you can key in

1021
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 1: on dominant versus sub dominant doe groups during certain parts

1022
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 1: of the year. Can you talk about that, because that's

1023
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 1: something I've never heard about the for and I thought

1024
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 1: was really interesting. Sure, and I should say, um, if

1025
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 1: you don't mind before I answer that the book that

1026
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 1: you're referring to, Big Buck Secrets is actually the it's

1027
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 1: actually the final of a three parter, or it's wrapping together.

1028
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 1: It's supposed to go ahead and wrap the three part

1029
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 1: series together with a nice bowl and tie it up

1030
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 1: and make it look all pretty. Um that what you're

1031
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 1: describing there is not going to work everywhere. It's not

1032
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 1: if you've got low doll number, if you've got low

1033
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 1: deer numbers, the habitat itself is not stressed. If you

1034
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 1: have healthy habitat, you know what, your your family groups

1035
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 1: on this property are not stressed. But what ends up

1036
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 1: happening when you're dealing with high deer numbers, and then

1037
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 1: this happens whether you're dealing with medium, low, any type

1038
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 1: of deer numbers period um, is that there's a hierarchy

1039
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:57,920
Speaker 1: to doe groups that is very similar to the hierarchy

1040
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 1: that occurs within buck groups. We've all heard about the

1041
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 1: dominant buck. That buck, that man, he strolls any and everywhere.

1042
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 1: All he has to do is give a sideways glance

1043
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 1: to the competition. They stuck. They stick their tail between

1044
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 1: their legs and go running for the hills. Now, um,

1045
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 1: the same thing plays out in a weird way in

1046
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 1: the dough here in the dough groups. In that the

1047
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 1: healthiest doe groups out there with especially if they've got

1048
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 1: a little bit of an attitude, are the most dominant

1049
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 1: dog groups out there. They're the ones that they have

1050
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 1: the prime betting spot because they'll drive the competition away.

1051
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 1: They have the prime the prime food source because if

1052
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 1: it's small, they're gonna go ahead and drive the other

1053
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 1: dog groups away. You know, Um, I should actually back

1054
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 1: up dough groups. Family groups are nothing more generally speaking,

1055
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 1: they're nothing more than a matriarch doll. You know that

1056
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 1: that that great grandmother type, all her daughters, all her

1057
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 1: daughters otters, you know, and so on down the line.

1058
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 1: And that there's in high deer a young high deer

1059
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 1: number areas where you don't have a lot of hunting

1060
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 1: pressure on the doll groups. I mean, it's not uncommon

1061
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 1: to see a family group of more than twenty dolls

1062
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 1: along with their nubbing bucks and sometimes even year and

1063
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 1: a half old bucks. And now so picture picture property

1064
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 1: with a whole bunch of deer, a whole bunch of

1065
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:33,160
Speaker 1: different dog groups. The healthiest, most aggressive dog groups are

1066
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 1: the dominant ones, the least healthy, smaller, more passive dog

1067
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 1: groups are the more submissive ones. So then throwing over

1068
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 1: population where the habitat is being absolutely destroyed by deer,

1069
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 1: which is more habitat than we give it credit for.

1070
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 1: Quite honestly, Uh, well, your lower wrung dog groups, they

1071
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 1: aren't getting the nutrition because they don't have the best

1072
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 1: betting areas. They don't have the best feeding areas. They're

1073
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 1: picking up the scraps are left over. Okay, Now you

1074
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:13,720
Speaker 1: have to tie one mother factor into all this, and

1075
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 1: that is timing of breeding. Okay. In general, I am

1076
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 1: a very strong believer in photo period. I do not

1077
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:26,200
Speaker 1: believe in the moon theories in any way, shape or form.

1078
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 1: And I can cite all sorts of studies that have

1079
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 1: been done on um road kill fetal tissue where they

1080
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:36,800
Speaker 1: back dated and you know what, the majority of the

1081
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:39,440
Speaker 1: does year after year after year after year after year,

1082
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 1: are getting bread in the exact same amount of time

1083
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 1: according to those studies, regardless of the moon. But what

1084
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:52,440
Speaker 1: does play a role into individual dear individual dough ester's

1085
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:56,600
Speaker 1: timing is the health of the dough. The health year

1086
01:02:56,680 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 1: that prime age breeding dough is higher the odds are

1087
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 1: that she's going to come into estris early. Okay. So

1088
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 1: because the dominant doll groups have the best of everything,

1089
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 1: they tend to have the healthiest dolls, and they also

1090
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 1: happen to produce the first estra stoles of the year.

1091
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:21,000
Speaker 1: And then we can take it another step further and

1092
01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:24,960
Speaker 1: throw in the fons. Fawn breeding and anywhere in the

1093
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:33,280
Speaker 1: continental United States occurs virtually every year, except for on

1094
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 1: very very very horrifically bad weather years. You can deal

1095
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:42,240
Speaker 1: with the up of Michigan. You might be talking five

1096
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 1: on a normal year. You deal with Iowa, you deal

1097
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 1: with Kansas. You're talking jeez, you're talking as much as

1098
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:56,600
Speaker 1: of the doe fons will breed that first year. The

1099
01:03:56,760 --> 01:04:00,440
Speaker 1: timing on their breeding is based on them meeting physical

1100
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:07,000
Speaker 1: and physiological thresholds. They that their body must mature well.

1101
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:11,080
Speaker 1: Who tends to give birth to the dose first or

1102
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 1: the fonts first each year? The healthy dose that got

1103
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:20,040
Speaker 1: that got bred earlier in the season, So they also

1104
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 1: tend to be the ones to have the dough fons

1105
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 1: come into estrus first each year. So you can't if

1106
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 1: you can follow I mean that that's a I know,

1107
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 1: that's an awful lot to put together and follow. But

1108
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:38,360
Speaker 1: if you can connect those dots, you can see why

1109
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 1: that cold stretch hits on October in the Midwest. If

1110
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:44,640
Speaker 1: I want to hunt, if I want to hunt the

1111
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 1: dough betting area, that's not a bad time as long

1112
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:49,760
Speaker 1: as I can go ahead and find that dominant dough

1113
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:54,680
Speaker 1: that dominant dough group's betting area. Now it's getting towards

1114
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 1: the end of the rut, that's a really nice time

1115
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 1: again to go ahead and target that dominant family group

1116
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:05,680
Speaker 1: dope atting area because they probably have some dough fonts

1117
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:11,440
Speaker 1: coming intestris in between the early and And also it's

1118
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 1: not a bad time to go ahead and hit up

1119
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:17,360
Speaker 1: your least dominant dog groups because there tend to have

1120
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 1: the most unhealthy dolls the ones that tend to come

1121
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:25,280
Speaker 1: intastris later the period in between. Flip a coin because

1122
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:27,800
Speaker 1: you've got no clue, but it is a way to

1123
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 1: just again stack the odds a little bit in your

1124
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 1: favor in very specific situations, if you happen to be

1125
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:40,880
Speaker 1: hunting ground that's overpopulated, if you happen to know observe

1126
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:43,280
Speaker 1: your dear enough to figure out what your dominant dough

1127
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:46,200
Speaker 1: groups are. It's not really hard when you watch them.

1128
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 1: Maybe one one's chasing the other off that food plot.

1129
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 1: Odds are the ones running are not the dominant ones.

1130
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:56,600
Speaker 1: But if you can put all those things together every

1131
01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:59,160
Speaker 1: once in a while, it can't work for you. So

1132
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:02,200
Speaker 1: just just to make sure I've got this right to Cliff,

1133
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:05,200
Speaker 1: note it. We're talking on keen in on the dominant

1134
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 1: dough family groups at the early stages of the rut

1135
01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:10,840
Speaker 1: because we're likely going to get that first don estres,

1136
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:14,000
Speaker 1: and then again towards that second rut time period because

1137
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:15,960
Speaker 1: those are most likely the groups have a fun that's

1138
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 1: coming into estus. And then we'll key in on potentially

1139
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:22,040
Speaker 1: those least dominant dough groups maybe at the later talent

1140
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:25,280
Speaker 1: of the rut when those deer are just coming into esters,

1141
01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:28,320
Speaker 1: and then like you said, during peak breeding anything is that?

1142
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:31,080
Speaker 1: Is that right? I get it all straight there? That

1143
01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:34,080
Speaker 1: is it? In a nutshell? Yeah? You and you did

1144
01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:38,200
Speaker 1: a much finer job playing tonight. I just had to

1145
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:40,640
Speaker 1: make sure that I had it straight in my head too. Um.

1146
01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:43,120
Speaker 1: But it's it's f it's a fascinating it's a fascinating

1147
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:47,160
Speaker 1: idea and it makes a lot of sense. Well, I'll

1148
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:51,320
Speaker 1: tell you what, trying to truly understand what makes the

1149
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 1: deer tick. To me, there's nothing more fascinating in this world.

1150
01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:58,400
Speaker 1: I know. I know most people would think that's boring

1151
01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:01,520
Speaker 1: as heck you guys, we don't. Hopefully most of your

1152
01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:05,840
Speaker 1: audience doesn't. But that, to me is the most fascinating

1153
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:08,680
Speaker 1: part about all this stuff. And when I keep coming

1154
01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:12,360
Speaker 1: back to over and over and over, the more complicated

1155
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 1: I try to make this stuff, keep it simple, stupid.

1156
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:21,040
Speaker 1: They're just animals. They're just animals that mother nature has

1157
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:28,040
Speaker 1: hardwired to try to maximize their odds of survival. Um,

1158
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:31,120
Speaker 1: if you look at it that way, all of a sudden,

1159
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:35,240
Speaker 1: a lot of things start making a lot more sense. Yeah,

1160
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:39,560
Speaker 1: so true. Continue on the rut topic. Another thing that

1161
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:41,440
Speaker 1: I've I've heard you talk about in the past a

1162
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:45,760
Speaker 1: little bit is how there's this commonly held belief that

1163
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:48,800
Speaker 1: during the rut, you know everything you know about your

1164
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:51,400
Speaker 1: local deer goes out the window and it's chaos. But

1165
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:53,680
Speaker 1: I've heard you talk a little bit about how there

1166
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:56,560
Speaker 1: is actually you can sort of pattern deer during the rut,

1167
01:07:56,640 --> 01:07:59,720
Speaker 1: contrary to popular belief. Can you can you elaborate on

1168
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:03,440
Speaker 1: that certainly. The first thing I have to say is

1169
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:07,200
Speaker 1: my definition of patterning is not the same definition of

1170
01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:09,640
Speaker 1: a lot of people that are trying to make themselves

1171
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:13,280
Speaker 1: look cool. I do not pretend to know what any

1172
01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:18,400
Speaker 1: deer is doing seven period. My idea of patterning a book,

1173
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:22,559
Speaker 1: a book, or any deer is that I've got a

1174
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:24,800
Speaker 1: pretty good idea that there's a pretty good chance they

1175
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:30,040
Speaker 1: might be doing this each day, or not necessarily even

1176
01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:33,800
Speaker 1: each day, but on a somewhat regular basis. You know.

1177
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:37,880
Speaker 1: I I don't pretend to know where a good number

1178
01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:40,840
Speaker 1: most of the box that I shoot. I don't pretend

1179
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:43,439
Speaker 1: to know where the heck they've batted. Now. I think

1180
01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:45,120
Speaker 1: there's a pretty good chance it was back on that

1181
01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:48,000
Speaker 1: ridge back there, off that point, because just about every

1182
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:51,439
Speaker 1: year I have a good buck betting back there. But

1183
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:53,679
Speaker 1: I can't, I can't swear to it. I am not.

1184
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:57,080
Speaker 1: I do not sit there and think that when these

1185
01:08:57,120 --> 01:09:00,160
Speaker 1: people are talking about patterning bucks out there, that they

1186
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:04,080
Speaker 1: got they know what these here are doing. Bolown. I

1187
01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:07,960
Speaker 1: have been I actually started on the consulting end, consulting

1188
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:11,439
Speaker 1: for outfitters, and I can't tell you how many times

1189
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:16,360
Speaker 1: TV crews, you know, filmed segments about how they had

1190
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:19,120
Speaker 1: this buck pattern cold. They knew to set up here

1191
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:21,880
Speaker 1: because of this, that and the other thing. And it's

1192
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:24,400
Speaker 1: really weird because they didn't even know the buck existed

1193
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:27,400
Speaker 1: until the night before when the outfitish shoot showed him pictures.

1194
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:34,720
Speaker 1: The amount, the amount of twisting that goes into what

1195
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:39,559
Speaker 1: patterning Endeared really is, it blows often blows my mind.

1196
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:43,160
Speaker 1: And I not sound like too much of a jerk here,

1197
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:46,639
Speaker 1: but quite frankly, I think it's ego driven. You look

1198
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:50,439
Speaker 1: at me, I know so much more than everybody else. Well,

1199
01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:56,240
Speaker 1: I don't, Okay, what I do is I can figure

1200
01:09:56,280 --> 01:10:00,400
Speaker 1: out that I'm getting this buck's picture here half hour

1201
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 1: after dark on a consistent basis. Now he's coming from

1202
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:09,800
Speaker 1: this direction. He's probably betting over there, and this is

1203
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:12,639
Speaker 1: part of this food source right now happens to be

1204
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:16,519
Speaker 1: his primary food source. Now, that to me is patterning

1205
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:22,400
Speaker 1: a book. It's not anywhere near as glamorous or or

1206
01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:27,320
Speaker 1: detail detail driven as a lot of people painted. So

1207
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:32,839
Speaker 1: what actually opened my eyes to this is over the years,

1208
01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:37,000
Speaker 1: you know, having so many cams out for various clients.

1209
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:39,439
Speaker 1: You know, every once in a while you happen to

1210
01:10:39,479 --> 01:10:42,040
Speaker 1: have a dope betting area that's not that high impact

1211
01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:44,680
Speaker 1: to get into. So you set up a video. So

1212
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:46,880
Speaker 1: you set up a camera on that scrape that's on

1213
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:50,680
Speaker 1: the edge of it, and huh, three or four times

1214
01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:54,120
Speaker 1: a week during the rut, I'm getting this one box

1215
01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:57,439
Speaker 1: picture either passing or working that scrape on the down

1216
01:10:57,479 --> 01:11:01,000
Speaker 1: one side of that dope betting area. Isn't that a pattern?

1217
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:09,479
Speaker 1: He's on somewhat of a consistent level. He's checking this

1218
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:13,559
Speaker 1: dough betting area. Why again, keep it simple, stupid, What's

1219
01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:16,320
Speaker 1: what's the buck trying to do during the run. He's

1220
01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:19,759
Speaker 1: trying to breed as many doughs as he can, which

1221
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:22,680
Speaker 1: isn't that many. But you know still that that's his

1222
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:25,519
Speaker 1: mission to find breed dose and not get killed in

1223
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:31,519
Speaker 1: the process. If if you let me, let me turn

1224
01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:34,080
Speaker 1: this around on you for a second. Mark you're married, correct,

1225
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:41,200
Speaker 1: Let's pretend you weren't. Don't answer this question. It is

1226
01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:48,640
Speaker 1: a trap pretty much, yes, but but let's pretend you

1227
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:52,320
Speaker 1: weren't married. You are very familiar with the area you

1228
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:58,480
Speaker 1: live in. You desperately, desperately want to find a girlfriend.

1229
01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:01,000
Speaker 1: Are you going to go into New York to try

1230
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:04,639
Speaker 1: to find one? Well, I go to New York before

1231
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:11,400
Speaker 1: the nearest town here. That's the reasons. Well, okay, we're

1232
01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:14,280
Speaker 1: pretending you're not married, so your wife's relatives aren't gonna

1233
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:19,320
Speaker 1: kill you. But what a person is going to do

1234
01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:22,800
Speaker 1: more often than not, because again, as I said, well,

1235
01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:25,240
Speaker 1: all this stuff, we're playing odds. We're playing odds and

1236
01:12:25,320 --> 01:12:29,680
Speaker 1: tendencies that by definition means their exceptions. Every once in

1237
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 1: a while, Mark is going to head to New York,

1238
01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:34,120
Speaker 1: but for the most part, he's going to go to

1239
01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:37,360
Speaker 1: the areas that he knows their girls at. And there's

1240
01:12:37,439 --> 01:12:40,479
Speaker 1: nowhere that he knows that better than in the area

1241
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:44,200
Speaker 1: he lives. Why is the mature buck going to be

1242
01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:48,759
Speaker 1: any different? And that mature buck, remember this is their

1243
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:53,479
Speaker 1: home range, is their house in their yard. Okay, they

1244
01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:56,280
Speaker 1: have a darn good idea of what's going on in

1245
01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:59,280
Speaker 1: general in that home range. Could somebody walk through your

1246
01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:02,559
Speaker 1: yard with you knowing? Sure they could? They set up

1247
01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:04,559
Speaker 1: a tent in your yard though, and you're gonna figure

1248
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:09,679
Speaker 1: it out. So so Mr Big has a really good

1249
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:13,599
Speaker 1: idea what the doe groups on within his home range

1250
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:18,280
Speaker 1: are doing during virtually I mean, I'm gonna say during

1251
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:21,479
Speaker 1: any time during the twenty four hour period. I don't

1252
01:13:21,479 --> 01:13:24,320
Speaker 1: mean he knows every second of that twenty four hour

1253
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:26,519
Speaker 1: period where that one dough is, but he knows that

1254
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:29,200
Speaker 1: during the daylight hours, odds are pretty high that she's

1255
01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:33,280
Speaker 1: gonna be back at her bedding area. So if he's

1256
01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:37,400
Speaker 1: going to go ahead and try to maximize his breeding opportunities,

1257
01:13:37,720 --> 01:13:39,759
Speaker 1: doesn't it make sense for a for him to stay

1258
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:43,920
Speaker 1: home because he knows where these girls are here, he's

1259
01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:47,280
Speaker 1: the dominant he's either the dominant bucker probably if he's mature,

1260
01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:49,960
Speaker 1: one of the more dominant bucks on the property on

1261
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:53,719
Speaker 1: most grounds, Okay, So he doesn't have to worry overly

1262
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:57,679
Speaker 1: much about people feeling those girls. And he knows where

1263
01:13:57,680 --> 01:14:01,559
Speaker 1: they are, where odds are the highest, where they will

1264
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:04,960
Speaker 1: be during the daylight, where they'll be in early morning,

1265
01:14:05,080 --> 01:14:08,439
Speaker 1: where they will be in early after in late early evening,

1266
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:12,120
Speaker 1: right before dark. He has a pretty darn good idea

1267
01:14:12,160 --> 01:14:15,240
Speaker 1: where they're going to be after dark. So doesn't it

1268
01:14:15,240 --> 01:14:17,479
Speaker 1: make sense for him to check those locations when he's

1269
01:14:17,479 --> 01:14:21,000
Speaker 1: not with the dope, And if it does, isn't that

1270
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:25,479
Speaker 1: him following a pattern? Yeah, it makes a lot of sense.

1271
01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:32,160
Speaker 1: I can tell you that from personal experience, there are

1272
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:39,080
Speaker 1: a I would say over f of the I'll say

1273
01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:42,840
Speaker 1: right around of the mature box on the various properties

1274
01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:45,599
Speaker 1: I managed for clients. UM. Part of what they pay

1275
01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:48,080
Speaker 1: me for is to learn as much about what they're

1276
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:51,000
Speaker 1: doing as possible so they can take advantage of that

1277
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:56,599
Speaker 1: hunting UM, I'd say right around half of them if

1278
01:14:56,600 --> 01:15:00,599
Speaker 1: they have a pattern outside the rut. Early reason. If

1279
01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:02,519
Speaker 1: they have a pattern, I don't know what the heck

1280
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:05,800
Speaker 1: it is. I can't figure it out during the rut.

1281
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:10,200
Speaker 1: A pretty decent percent of those bucks I can't figure

1282
01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:13,000
Speaker 1: out outside the rut, all of a sudden, their actions

1283
01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:15,519
Speaker 1: make all the sense in the world and are pretty

1284
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:21,479
Speaker 1: darn predictable in some regards. In some regards, as long

1285
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:26,360
Speaker 1: as you use the loose definition of patterning that I do. UM,

1286
01:15:26,439 --> 01:15:28,519
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, it's easier to pattern a lot

1287
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:31,559
Speaker 1: of bucks during the rut than it is outside of it. Yeah,

1288
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:35,200
Speaker 1: as you know exactly what they're after and you know

1289
01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:39,000
Speaker 1: where they're going to be, right all right. I think

1290
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:41,240
Speaker 1: it comes down to, like you said, maybe how people

1291
01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:44,519
Speaker 1: are defining it, because I mean, so many people talk

1292
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:46,960
Speaker 1: about well, I'm going to focus on this betting area

1293
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:49,240
Speaker 1: because I know bucks are going to be, you know,

1294
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:52,840
Speaker 1: checking out for dose. Well, you're saying that you are

1295
01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:55,840
Speaker 1: hypothesizing that a buck is going to be visiting this

1296
01:15:55,920 --> 01:15:58,640
Speaker 1: area based on past experience or based on what you know,

1297
01:15:58,680 --> 01:16:01,400
Speaker 1: so essentially that you know you are based on this

1298
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:03,519
Speaker 1: decision on what you believe to be a pattern. Just

1299
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:06,519
Speaker 1: people aren't calling it that, um, but but there really

1300
01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:09,920
Speaker 1: is something to it. Or and with those people you

1301
01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:14,240
Speaker 1: just described, if they don't realize is they just patterned that?

1302
01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:18,920
Speaker 1: I mean, if they know there's this hundred forty eight point,

1303
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:21,599
Speaker 1: which I'll tell you what if you got a hundred

1304
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:24,519
Speaker 1: eight point, that's a pretty darn good I don't care

1305
01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:27,120
Speaker 1: who you are, UM, But they know they have a

1306
01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:29,880
Speaker 1: hundred and forty eight point that spends some time on

1307
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:33,280
Speaker 1: this property and they're actually going back there to set

1308
01:16:33,320 --> 01:16:36,679
Speaker 1: up on that dopetting area hoping he'll come by. When

1309
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:39,120
Speaker 1: he comes by and they kill him, they had that

1310
01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:43,160
Speaker 1: buck pattern better than I'm going to venture to say,

1311
01:16:43,200 --> 01:16:46,599
Speaker 1: at least of the quote unquote experts that are talking

1312
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:52,960
Speaker 1: about patterning gear. Yeah, Dan, WHOA, what do you got next?

1313
01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:58,400
Speaker 1: Do you think when it when it comes to these

1314
01:16:58,479 --> 01:17:02,400
Speaker 1: you know, all all these does um do you think

1315
01:17:02,479 --> 01:17:07,639
Speaker 1: that people should be paying more attention to where those are,

1316
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:11,759
Speaker 1: let's say in late October, as opposed to where buck

1317
01:17:11,800 --> 01:17:16,040
Speaker 1: sign is popping up. I think you'd better be paying

1318
01:17:16,040 --> 01:17:19,679
Speaker 1: at least as much attention to it. That's a great question.

1319
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:24,920
Speaker 1: I let mean this will probably put in two perspective

1320
01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:30,320
Speaker 1: my thoughts on dolls. When I'm laying on improvements for

1321
01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:35,960
Speaker 1: on for my clients on private ground and we're talking betting,

1322
01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:39,680
Speaker 1: I never mess around with buck bets. I'm focusing on

1323
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:42,840
Speaker 1: doll bedding because if I know where they are, I'm

1324
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:45,800
Speaker 1: gonna know where Mr Big is, where I can kill

1325
01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:49,000
Speaker 1: Mr Big during the rot. You know, I I think

1326
01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:52,439
Speaker 1: that you. I think a person does get a bad

1327
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:56,640
Speaker 1: rap frankly from US hunters. They are looked at by

1328
01:17:56,680 --> 01:17:59,080
Speaker 1: too many. I think they're looked at is nothing but past.

1329
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:02,280
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. Those dolls, especially the ones they

1330
01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:06,120
Speaker 1: are living that have daylight core areas on your ground,

1331
01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:11,400
Speaker 1: they're your best friends because they're telling they are dictating

1332
01:18:11,400 --> 01:18:13,519
Speaker 1: what Mr Big is going to do as long as

1333
01:18:13,560 --> 01:18:16,960
Speaker 1: he's not with a doll. Another getting off on a

1334
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:20,559
Speaker 1: little I'm going to go so far as to say

1335
01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:25,800
Speaker 1: almost useless, dear, tribute something that something that I believed

1336
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:30,160
Speaker 1: everybody talks about how dolls are are leading bucks around

1337
01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:32,800
Speaker 1: during the rut, when you're talking about a mature buck

1338
01:18:33,400 --> 01:18:36,360
Speaker 1: once he's crawled her. I do not have a shredded

1339
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:38,519
Speaker 1: doubt in my mind whatsoever that she's not the one

1340
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:43,920
Speaker 1: dictating movements to her. To him, he's dictating her movements.

1341
01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:47,640
Speaker 1: He's pushing. He's the one who in Iowa's pushing her

1342
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:50,800
Speaker 1: out in the middle of that pick cornfield. She doesn't

1343
01:18:50,840 --> 01:18:53,040
Speaker 1: want to be there. He wants her there because he

1344
01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:55,400
Speaker 1: can see any type of competition coming up and try

1345
01:18:55,439 --> 01:19:00,400
Speaker 1: to steal her away. You know, Um, I've actually one

1346
01:19:00,439 --> 01:19:03,080
Speaker 1: of one of the bucks. I'm looking at this hanging

1347
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:07,600
Speaker 1: on my wall as we speak. You know, was you know,

1348
01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:09,800
Speaker 1: crawl the dough and she wanted to go up the

1349
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:12,599
Speaker 1: point he wants. Thankfully, he wanted to get a drink water.

1350
01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:15,160
Speaker 1: I watched to go around or three different times tiner

1351
01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:17,280
Speaker 1: in the side and push her down to that water hole,

1352
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:21,479
Speaker 1: which I was very thankful for because my stand was

1353
01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:29,839
Speaker 1: covering that water. So, speaking of um, of this idea,

1354
01:19:30,439 --> 01:19:33,880
Speaker 1: you know, we just talked a little bit about understanding

1355
01:19:34,240 --> 01:19:37,120
Speaker 1: what these bucks are gonna do during the rut, and

1356
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:40,040
Speaker 1: you know, understanding what Mr Big wants is the dough

1357
01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:42,719
Speaker 1: and everything like that brings me back to this whole idea.

1358
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:44,920
Speaker 1: And I've heard you mentioned this this phrase. I've heard

1359
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:48,160
Speaker 1: you say a lot quote unquote listening to Mr Big,

1360
01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:50,680
Speaker 1: and I think you know what that means is is

1361
01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:53,280
Speaker 1: how to pick up the clues that these bucks are

1362
01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:55,120
Speaker 1: giving us. You know, like you said a buck, you

1363
01:19:55,120 --> 01:19:56,880
Speaker 1: know the occasionally these bucks are jumping up and down,

1364
01:19:56,960 --> 01:19:59,760
Speaker 1: waving their arms saying kill me. How do we get

1365
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:02,439
Speaker 1: better are at listening to Mr Big? I guess what

1366
01:20:02,479 --> 01:20:03,920
Speaker 1: do you mean by that? And how do we get

1367
01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:07,479
Speaker 1: better doing that? I think it. I think it really

1368
01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:13,639
Speaker 1: starts by just asking yourself, by first understanding the rod cycle.

1369
01:20:14,120 --> 01:20:17,920
Speaker 1: I mean, you've got early seasons, You've got what is

1370
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:21,360
Speaker 1: kind of a misnomer in the October lull. What that

1371
01:20:21,680 --> 01:20:24,160
Speaker 1: really is, more than anything, is based off of pressure.

1372
01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:27,200
Speaker 1: You know, we're a lot of a lot of both

1373
01:20:27,200 --> 01:20:31,800
Speaker 1: seasons either starts middle of September or October one. So

1374
01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:36,720
Speaker 1: the woods goes from being relatively peaceful. Let's face it's

1375
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:39,240
Speaker 1: not that much fun being out in the woods going

1376
01:20:39,320 --> 01:20:42,200
Speaker 1: for a walk in August. You know, just for the

1377
01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:45,160
Speaker 1: heck of it, because well there's a lot of bugs

1378
01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:47,040
Speaker 1: out there, a lot of bugs and a lot of

1379
01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:50,439
Speaker 1: thorns that like to scratch you, um, and you can't

1380
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:53,800
Speaker 1: stands hot and sweaty and gross. So for most of

1381
01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:57,439
Speaker 1: the summer and early or late summer, these bucks that

1382
01:20:57,600 --> 01:21:00,080
Speaker 1: they're left pretty much alone, these deer left alone. Know

1383
01:21:00,160 --> 01:21:02,160
Speaker 1: if they're now all of a sudden, both season starts

1384
01:21:02,160 --> 01:21:04,639
Speaker 1: and he got all us yard ages running around the woods.

1385
01:21:05,400 --> 01:21:08,320
Speaker 1: Now that tends to push bucks a little bit more

1386
01:21:08,360 --> 01:21:12,200
Speaker 1: nocturnal because their testosterol levels are low. All they're trying

1387
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:14,600
Speaker 1: to do is fatten up for the rut. You know,

1388
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:17,160
Speaker 1: I don't have a reason I have to move a lot,

1389
01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:20,080
Speaker 1: So if I get pressure, I'm not gonna I'm gonna

1390
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:23,799
Speaker 1: move even less. Then you get into the scrape phase,

1391
01:21:24,240 --> 01:21:26,559
Speaker 1: you know, the scrape phase of season. What are bucks

1392
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:29,960
Speaker 1: trying to do, well, they're advertising their presence. They're advertising

1393
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:32,920
Speaker 1: their presence partially to dose but mainly the other bucks.

1394
01:21:33,400 --> 01:21:35,160
Speaker 1: What they're trying to do is they're trying to make

1395
01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:38,000
Speaker 1: it so that when he finds when Mr Big finds

1396
01:21:38,040 --> 01:21:41,640
Speaker 1: that dough a couple of weeks later and in November,

1397
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:46,719
Speaker 1: and along comes, along comes as nearest competitor, He's already

1398
01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:49,559
Speaker 1: send a message to him, don't mess with me, buddy,

1399
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:51,320
Speaker 1: I am at the top of the food chain, and

1400
01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:54,040
Speaker 1: I will hand you your butt on the platter. Because

1401
01:21:54,080 --> 01:21:57,759
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to fight. He really, I really firmly believe.

1402
01:21:57,920 --> 01:22:00,120
Speaker 1: Longer I do this, the more firmly I believe. Of

1403
01:22:00,160 --> 01:22:03,000
Speaker 1: the mature bucks, they are honest, most of them. There's

1404
01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:05,760
Speaker 1: gonna be exceptions. There is always that one guy in

1405
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:09,160
Speaker 1: the crowd that wants to fight anybody over anything. But

1406
01:22:09,320 --> 01:22:13,800
Speaker 1: the majority of them they don't want to because that

1407
01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:18,519
Speaker 1: is man. That is nasty stuff. You know, if you

1408
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:21,559
Speaker 1: ever really want to get an idea of how much

1409
01:22:21,680 --> 01:22:26,240
Speaker 1: force is expended when two mature bucks go at it,

1410
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:29,000
Speaker 1: just go ahead and take take some three and a

1411
01:22:29,080 --> 01:22:32,200
Speaker 1: half year old shed you found one year. Try to

1412
01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:36,280
Speaker 1: break off a time the amount and this is I'm

1413
01:22:36,280 --> 01:22:38,080
Speaker 1: talking about just on a three and a half year

1414
01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:41,000
Speaker 1: old buck. You know, snapping a tying off at the

1415
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:45,799
Speaker 1: main beam is not easy. It takes a tremendous amount

1416
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:47,680
Speaker 1: of force. Now take that four and a half five

1417
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:50,280
Speaker 1: and a half year old buck and imagine what it

1418
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:54,519
Speaker 1: takes to break that entire that entire beam is right

1419
01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:57,600
Speaker 1: or left beam off of his head. You know the

1420
01:22:57,640 --> 01:23:02,080
Speaker 1: amount of force. It's like it's like going ten rounds

1421
01:23:02,120 --> 01:23:05,960
Speaker 1: with with Mike Tyson. I don't care if you win,

1422
01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:09,920
Speaker 1: you lost because he hits you and it really hurt.

1423
01:23:10,439 --> 01:23:12,960
Speaker 1: And now you're going into the breeding season where you're

1424
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:16,000
Speaker 1: gonna if you're a mature buck, you're gonna average losing

1425
01:23:16,040 --> 01:23:20,559
Speaker 1: anywhere froment body weight. And as soon as the breeding

1426
01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:24,080
Speaker 1: season is over, guess what you're in winter and even

1427
01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:28,520
Speaker 1: in even in a Missouri or a Iowa or a Kansas,

1428
01:23:29,240 --> 01:23:33,240
Speaker 1: that's the seasonal low point for food. So now I've

1429
01:23:33,240 --> 01:23:35,479
Speaker 1: got to go ahead and try to recoup my body

1430
01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:39,160
Speaker 1: during the during the hardest point there is that that

1431
01:23:39,439 --> 01:23:43,920
Speaker 1: that nature throws at me. Okay, by going through the

1432
01:23:44,040 --> 01:23:47,640
Speaker 1: right cycle and understanding it, ask yourself, what is it

1433
01:23:47,800 --> 01:23:52,280
Speaker 1: that Mr Big wants during that time early season October

1434
01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:54,960
Speaker 1: Lawley wants to be left alone fatten up for the rout.

1435
01:23:55,360 --> 01:23:59,480
Speaker 1: You know, during the peak scrape phase. He wants to advertise, advertise,

1436
01:23:59,560 --> 01:24:03,479
Speaker 1: advertise his advertised steak out, his his notch in the

1437
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:07,400
Speaker 1: buck hierarchy. Then you get into the breeding season itself,

1438
01:24:07,479 --> 01:24:11,400
Speaker 1: what does he want. He wants breathing opportunities after the

1439
01:24:11,479 --> 01:24:14,679
Speaker 1: breathing phases over. What does he want? He wants food.

1440
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:18,240
Speaker 1: He wants food to try to recoup his body. You know,

1441
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:22,920
Speaker 1: when you when you grasp that concept, not all you

1442
01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:26,479
Speaker 1: have to do is ask yourself, what does Mr Big

1443
01:24:26,640 --> 01:24:31,880
Speaker 1: want today? He wants food? Okay, what's my best food

1444
01:24:31,880 --> 01:24:36,120
Speaker 1: source that's closest to where I've been getting his pictures

1445
01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:40,160
Speaker 1: or where I've seen him or where I've seen his sign. Okay,

1446
01:24:40,200 --> 01:24:45,519
Speaker 1: that's it there. Well, kind of telling me that that's

1447
01:24:45,520 --> 01:24:49,639
Speaker 1: probably where I should hunt today, isn't he? Yeah, yeah,

1448
01:24:51,200 --> 01:24:54,440
Speaker 1: Now that's that's what I'm That's what I mean by

1449
01:24:55,120 --> 01:24:59,280
Speaker 1: listening to Mr Big and the other the other Big

1450
01:24:59,320 --> 01:25:03,360
Speaker 1: way is okay. So, and this is where information overload

1451
01:25:03,439 --> 01:25:05,600
Speaker 1: can kind of get you in trouble. So we know,

1452
01:25:06,840 --> 01:25:09,360
Speaker 1: we know that the best odds are killing a buck

1453
01:25:09,560 --> 01:25:12,920
Speaker 1: on a scrape is to wait to that last week.

1454
01:25:13,680 --> 01:25:17,240
Speaker 1: That last week it peaks scrape phase because his testosterol

1455
01:25:17,439 --> 01:25:22,360
Speaker 1: level is skyrocketing them. And by waiting, we haven't given

1456
01:25:22,439 --> 01:25:26,519
Speaker 1: any clues that he's in danger working that scrape. But

1457
01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:28,479
Speaker 1: now all we do is slip up in the stand

1458
01:25:28,479 --> 01:25:30,720
Speaker 1: and our odds are best to kill him. And yet

1459
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:32,759
Speaker 1: that's what I should be hunting. I should be hunting

1460
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:35,640
Speaker 1: that scrape that's back by that doe betting area, in

1461
01:25:35,640 --> 01:25:40,040
Speaker 1: an area he feels safe. But I just swapped chips

1462
01:25:40,360 --> 01:25:45,960
Speaker 1: and man in the last two weeks. I've got the

1463
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:49,639
Speaker 1: bucks picture that I want to kill four times or hey,

1464
01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:52,920
Speaker 1: let's say five times during legal shooting hours out on

1465
01:25:52,960 --> 01:25:56,960
Speaker 1: that alfalfa field. Well, I'm gonna listen to it, and

1466
01:25:57,000 --> 01:26:02,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go hunt that alfalfa field, even though that's

1467
01:26:02,200 --> 01:26:05,040
Speaker 1: not the best place to be. Supposedly we're peaks. Great,

1468
01:26:05,120 --> 01:26:08,559
Speaker 1: he's all about right now, he's all about advertising his

1469
01:26:08,640 --> 01:26:12,920
Speaker 1: presence and all that stuff. But he's telling me that, geez,

1470
01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:16,400
Speaker 1: these four pictures, four or five pictures in a fourteen

1471
01:26:16,479 --> 01:26:21,599
Speaker 1: day period during legal shooting light, that's good odds. He's

1472
01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:24,280
Speaker 1: telling me to go over there and kill him. So

1473
01:26:24,320 --> 01:26:28,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna listen, even though even though my

1474
01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:31,200
Speaker 1: own general philosophy is telling me that's not where I'm

1475
01:26:31,240 --> 01:26:33,320
Speaker 1: supposed to be. I'm supposed to be or well, let's

1476
01:26:33,320 --> 01:26:37,360
Speaker 1: make this even better, it's during the rut, it's during

1477
01:26:37,439 --> 01:26:39,559
Speaker 1: peak breeding phase, and there he is out in the

1478
01:26:39,560 --> 01:26:43,400
Speaker 1: middle of that that alfalfa field, you know, eating day

1479
01:26:43,479 --> 01:26:46,040
Speaker 1: after day. Well, I don't care that he's supposed to

1480
01:26:46,040 --> 01:26:48,600
Speaker 1: be chasing does. He's telling me that's where I gotta be,

1481
01:26:48,600 --> 01:26:55,200
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna listen. So you mentioned there another topic

1482
01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:57,640
Speaker 1: that I want to touch on, the kind of naturally transitions.

1483
01:26:57,680 --> 01:27:00,080
Speaker 1: I think perfectly here if we're listening to miss to

1484
01:27:00,240 --> 01:27:03,000
Speaker 1: big for paying attention to these different tendencies, whether it's

1485
01:27:03,040 --> 01:27:06,040
Speaker 1: observed or it's based on what we understand about what

1486
01:27:06,120 --> 01:27:08,599
Speaker 1: dear typically are doing that year or that time of year.

1487
01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:13,679
Speaker 1: I think the next most important decision is not necessarily well,

1488
01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:16,360
Speaker 1: first you need to know where, but next is when

1489
01:27:16,439 --> 01:27:19,000
Speaker 1: do I strike this idea of when is the right

1490
01:27:19,040 --> 01:27:20,840
Speaker 1: time to go in there, because I think, you know,

1491
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:23,320
Speaker 1: as you've alluded several times, it's really important to keep

1492
01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:26,240
Speaker 1: the pressure low so they are there in present and

1493
01:27:26,280 --> 01:27:29,400
Speaker 1: moving normally, and then strike when the time's right. So

1494
01:27:29,800 --> 01:27:31,479
Speaker 1: this is something we always we like to talk about

1495
01:27:31,479 --> 01:27:33,120
Speaker 1: this with a lot of our different guests, and I'm

1496
01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:36,439
Speaker 1: always curious to hear each different person's perspective on which

1497
01:27:36,520 --> 01:27:39,000
Speaker 1: factors that they pay attention to the most. You know,

1498
01:27:39,080 --> 01:27:42,920
Speaker 1: do they really pay attention to temperature or baro metric

1499
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:45,360
Speaker 1: pressure or moon or all these different things to help

1500
01:27:45,439 --> 01:27:49,320
Speaker 1: them decide when to strike. Can you tell us what

1501
01:27:49,400 --> 01:27:51,639
Speaker 1: factors matter to you? How do you make that decision?

1502
01:27:52,720 --> 01:27:56,400
Speaker 1: The primary that's the factor that's gonna trump everything for

1503
01:27:56,600 --> 01:28:01,800
Speaker 1: me every single time. Is any type of pictures or

1504
01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:07,080
Speaker 1: visual sightings. If I'm seeing, if I'm seeing, I don't care.

1505
01:28:07,720 --> 01:28:11,639
Speaker 1: Here here's a good example, um buck that I killed

1506
01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:18,800
Speaker 1: probably four years ago. Now, okay, firearms season it just ended. Okay,

1507
01:28:19,360 --> 01:28:23,639
Speaker 1: um I'm doing. I'm doing a camera swap chip swap

1508
01:28:23,720 --> 01:28:27,200
Speaker 1: here in the morning of the day after firearm season.

1509
01:28:27,439 --> 01:28:30,479
Speaker 1: Mature bucks are not supposed to be moving during daylight. Now,

1510
01:28:31,400 --> 01:28:34,280
Speaker 1: they just went through the war. But one of the

1511
01:28:34,360 --> 01:28:38,600
Speaker 1: cams that I swapped, it's got, it's got pictures in

1512
01:28:38,640 --> 01:28:41,800
Speaker 1: the last we'll say, the last ten days, and had

1513
01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:45,040
Speaker 1: pictures of one mature buck out in at six different

1514
01:28:45,040 --> 01:28:50,240
Speaker 1: times during legal shooting light, including the day before. Man,

1515
01:28:50,320 --> 01:28:52,600
Speaker 1: I'm going. I went ahead and as soon as I

1516
01:28:52,640 --> 01:28:55,559
Speaker 1: saw that, I threw a ladder stand in the back

1517
01:28:55,560 --> 01:28:57,000
Speaker 1: of the truck. I went and set it up and

1518
01:28:57,040 --> 01:28:59,439
Speaker 1: I and here it is the day after. This is

1519
01:28:59,479 --> 01:29:02,160
Speaker 1: an ill and a way. Um, the day after second

1520
01:29:02,160 --> 01:29:06,880
Speaker 1: shotgun season, which puts us in December, it is eighty

1521
01:29:06,960 --> 01:29:13,679
Speaker 1: some degrees with a thirty mile wind. You're not supposed

1522
01:29:13,720 --> 01:29:16,639
Speaker 1: to kill a buck on it. In situations like that,

1523
01:29:16,760 --> 01:29:20,479
Speaker 1: on an open clover field, it's not supposed to happen.

1524
01:29:21,800 --> 01:29:24,920
Speaker 1: But I didn't tell him that when he came out

1525
01:29:24,960 --> 01:29:28,479
Speaker 1: a half hour before dark and I shot him. You know,

1526
01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:33,720
Speaker 1: if if visual observations or trail cameras are telling you

1527
01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:37,600
Speaker 1: something that trumps everything for me every single time, you

1528
01:29:37,680 --> 01:29:41,920
Speaker 1: know after that it's matching the phase of season with

1529
01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:44,800
Speaker 1: what they want, and what stands do I have that

1530
01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:49,080
Speaker 1: are ideally suited for that phase of season. If it's

1531
01:29:49,120 --> 01:29:52,080
Speaker 1: a crappy weather day, you know, it's hot, it's windy,

1532
01:29:52,320 --> 01:29:54,760
Speaker 1: like the day that I killed that buck that he

1533
01:29:55,200 --> 01:29:57,680
Speaker 1: should not have been out there, you know when he

1534
01:29:57,800 --> 01:30:03,000
Speaker 1: was he was a five and a half year old buck. Now, Um,

1535
01:30:03,080 --> 01:30:07,360
Speaker 1: But if I don't have recon like that, if it's

1536
01:30:07,360 --> 01:30:09,559
Speaker 1: a crappy weather day, I'm going to hunt the low

1537
01:30:09,600 --> 01:30:13,240
Speaker 1: impact stand, one that I believe offers me a chance,

1538
01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:16,920
Speaker 1: but one that I also am not overly worried about

1539
01:30:16,920 --> 01:30:19,599
Speaker 1: messing things up on. I can get in I can

1540
01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:22,880
Speaker 1: get out. I'm not going to disturb anything. Perception is

1541
01:30:22,960 --> 01:30:25,800
Speaker 1: reality for both humans and for deer. If they don't

1542
01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:29,400
Speaker 1: perceive you're hunting them, you're not okay. So if I

1543
01:30:29,400 --> 01:30:31,360
Speaker 1: can pull that off, that's where I'm gonna go on

1544
01:30:31,439 --> 01:30:34,880
Speaker 1: a crappy hunting weather day, and I'm gonna save my

1545
01:30:35,200 --> 01:30:39,720
Speaker 1: higher impact stands for those days where Okay, it's been

1546
01:30:40,200 --> 01:30:42,920
Speaker 1: you know in the here it is November, it's been

1547
01:30:42,960 --> 01:30:46,240
Speaker 1: in the forties forties, forties forties, and today it's a

1548
01:30:46,320 --> 01:30:51,439
Speaker 1: higher twenty four degrees with a five to ten wind.

1549
01:30:53,120 --> 01:30:57,840
Speaker 1: Now is when I'm going into those higher impact stands

1550
01:30:57,880 --> 01:31:04,120
Speaker 1: because that fit phase the season, because the stand location

1551
01:31:04,280 --> 01:31:09,320
Speaker 1: matches what he wants and the weather is telling him

1552
01:31:09,479 --> 01:31:13,040
Speaker 1: to get up and move. I'm just it's all, it

1553
01:31:13,120 --> 01:31:15,880
Speaker 1: all just keeps excuse me, it all just keeps going

1554
01:31:15,920 --> 01:31:20,920
Speaker 1: back to stacking the odds for me. What about some

1555
01:31:21,000 --> 01:31:26,040
Speaker 1: of these specifics, um, you mentioned coal front there? What

1556
01:31:26,160 --> 01:31:30,719
Speaker 1: about pressure? Do you pay attention to barometric pressure? I

1557
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:32,840
Speaker 1: don't pay a heck of a lot of attention to

1558
01:31:32,880 --> 01:31:36,559
Speaker 1: barometric pressure just because I don't have a barometer. I

1559
01:31:36,600 --> 01:31:40,599
Speaker 1: do think that, I do think that, UM, I think

1560
01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:43,040
Speaker 1: it was deer and deer hunting as I don't think

1561
01:31:43,080 --> 01:31:46,439
Speaker 1: they did the study, but but at least four or

1562
01:31:46,439 --> 01:31:49,640
Speaker 1: five times they've done over the years, they've done articles

1563
01:31:49,760 --> 01:31:53,240
Speaker 1: on barometric pressure. Without a doubt, seems to be one

1564
01:31:53,280 --> 01:31:55,120
Speaker 1: of the biggest keys to getting bucks up on his

1565
01:31:55,200 --> 01:31:59,200
Speaker 1: their feet and moving. You know, when you're gonna make

1566
01:31:59,240 --> 01:32:02,320
Speaker 1: me look silly because I can't remember what that range is,

1567
01:32:03,840 --> 01:32:07,519
Speaker 1: but there is that range out there were barometric pressure

1568
01:32:08,720 --> 01:32:11,800
Speaker 1: gets bucks up and moving. But it also happens to

1569
01:32:12,479 --> 01:32:15,760
Speaker 1: happens to be associated the barometric pressure happens to be

1570
01:32:15,800 --> 01:32:20,639
Speaker 1: associated with shifting fronts. So when you get that cold snap,

1571
01:32:20,680 --> 01:32:24,840
Speaker 1: you're doing it by default. Frankly, right right now? What

1572
01:32:24,880 --> 01:32:26,920
Speaker 1: about the moon? Then? You mentioned you don't believe the

1573
01:32:26,920 --> 01:32:29,000
Speaker 1: moon has any influence on the timing of the rut,

1574
01:32:29,160 --> 01:32:32,000
Speaker 1: But do you think anything related to the moon influences

1575
01:32:32,040 --> 01:32:35,679
Speaker 1: just time of movement during the day. You know, there's

1576
01:32:35,720 --> 01:32:40,160
Speaker 1: been it's been said so many times that on full

1577
01:32:40,200 --> 01:32:44,160
Speaker 1: moons afternoons think but mornings and midday is great that

1578
01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:48,360
Speaker 1: I tend to believe there's something to it. But I'll

1579
01:32:48,400 --> 01:32:50,960
Speaker 1: be brutally honest with you, I've never noticed the difference.

1580
01:32:52,360 --> 01:32:58,840
Speaker 1: Do you think do you think that those particular um

1581
01:32:58,880 --> 01:33:05,080
Speaker 1: events like rising barometer and moon phase should be important

1582
01:33:05,120 --> 01:33:09,320
Speaker 1: to a hunter that may not have like a lot

1583
01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:12,639
Speaker 1: of time throughout the season to hunt. They're they're more

1584
01:33:12,680 --> 01:33:15,479
Speaker 1: of a I can hunt when it's time type of scenario.

1585
01:33:16,200 --> 01:33:20,400
Speaker 1: I think that you just absolutely hit a home run

1586
01:33:21,040 --> 01:33:25,439
Speaker 1: with your statement in that. What I think is that

1587
01:33:25,560 --> 01:33:29,839
Speaker 1: barametric pressure, moon whether all that type of stuff sounds

1588
01:33:29,880 --> 01:33:34,280
Speaker 1: great for people like me who I mean, I let's

1589
01:33:34,280 --> 01:33:37,040
Speaker 1: face it, none of us can really hunt any darn

1590
01:33:37,160 --> 01:33:40,360
Speaker 1: time we want to, but some of us get a

1591
01:33:40,360 --> 01:33:46,000
Speaker 1: lot closer after than others. You know, um, I'm guessing.

1592
01:33:46,120 --> 01:33:48,160
Speaker 1: I'm guessing you too get to hunt a lot more

1593
01:33:48,200 --> 01:33:50,639
Speaker 1: than a lot of your buddies do because it's part

1594
01:33:50,640 --> 01:33:56,280
Speaker 1: of your job. Dan, Maybe not, but sorry continuing, Okay,

1595
01:33:56,280 --> 01:34:01,720
Speaker 1: well not coning, Dan, Mark, you can hunts most of

1596
01:34:01,720 --> 01:34:06,120
Speaker 1: your buddies you so for somebody like you, somebody like me,

1597
01:34:06,520 --> 01:34:09,200
Speaker 1: it makes a lot more makes a lot more sense

1598
01:34:09,240 --> 01:34:13,000
Speaker 1: to pay attention to barametric pressure. It wasn't that long

1599
01:34:13,000 --> 01:34:16,800
Speaker 1: ago where I actually had a real job and I

1600
01:34:16,880 --> 01:34:20,479
Speaker 1: had two weeks vacation that i'd save up every year.

1601
01:34:20,680 --> 01:34:23,200
Speaker 1: I worked my way up so I had three weeks

1602
01:34:23,240 --> 01:34:27,479
Speaker 1: totally actually being the being the gracious person that I was,

1603
01:34:27,560 --> 01:34:29,599
Speaker 1: saved a week for the family and set aside two

1604
01:34:29,640 --> 01:34:33,559
Speaker 1: weeks for myself. And yes, I am making fun of myself.

1605
01:34:33,600 --> 01:34:38,080
Speaker 1: That was back then, but you know, um and actually

1606
01:34:38,200 --> 01:34:42,360
Speaker 1: might be part of the reason why she's my ex wife.

1607
01:34:41,120 --> 01:34:46,240
Speaker 1: But there's a big there's the big lesson of the day, folks.

1608
01:34:46,520 --> 01:34:49,240
Speaker 1: But I'm telling you right now, I'm going to pretend

1609
01:34:49,280 --> 01:34:55,280
Speaker 1: it was all her. But but when you're doing that,

1610
01:34:56,280 --> 01:35:00,479
Speaker 1: you don't. It's great that you know that that when

1611
01:35:00,560 --> 01:35:03,519
Speaker 1: the barometric pressures and this range right here, that's when

1612
01:35:03,560 --> 01:35:06,360
Speaker 1: deer moving the most. But man, you took a week's

1613
01:35:06,360 --> 01:35:09,479
Speaker 1: worth of vacation, and are you going to sit at

1614
01:35:09,520 --> 01:35:13,160
Speaker 1: home or in the cabin because of the barometric pressure?

1615
01:35:13,200 --> 01:35:16,800
Speaker 1: Isn't right? You can't afford to. You're gonna go out

1616
01:35:16,840 --> 01:35:20,920
Speaker 1: and hunt. The reason that I think it's it's a

1617
01:35:21,160 --> 01:35:26,080
Speaker 1: little bit important for the for most quote unquote normal

1618
01:35:26,160 --> 01:35:29,479
Speaker 1: hunters is because I'm not going to head to the

1619
01:35:29,640 --> 01:35:34,040
Speaker 1: best highest impact stand location I have when it's twenty

1620
01:35:34,080 --> 01:35:37,880
Speaker 1: degrees above normal and it's a twenty five our wind,

1621
01:35:38,880 --> 01:35:41,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go for a lower impact stand. And hope

1622
01:35:41,200 --> 01:35:43,880
Speaker 1: to catch a break. But I'm going to save that

1623
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:47,240
Speaker 1: higher impact stand for later in the week when the

1624
01:35:47,280 --> 01:35:50,719
Speaker 1: weather shifts and now all of a sudden, at least

1625
01:35:50,720 --> 01:35:54,000
Speaker 1: the temperatures down to normal and we're dealing with a

1626
01:35:54,040 --> 01:35:57,479
Speaker 1: ten to fifteen mile and our wind instead of real

1627
01:35:57,560 --> 01:36:02,960
Speaker 1: high tempts and a our That's how that's how I

1628
01:36:03,000 --> 01:36:05,960
Speaker 1: would factor, well, pack if that's how I factor to

1629
01:36:06,040 --> 01:36:09,799
Speaker 1: this day where I hunt based on those types of things.

1630
01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:12,719
Speaker 1: But I'll tell you what, when you got a limited

1631
01:36:12,800 --> 01:36:16,360
Speaker 1: number of days, you're gonna hunt, and if you're not,

1632
01:36:17,160 --> 01:36:19,200
Speaker 1: you're probably not all that eat up by hunting. You

1633
01:36:19,240 --> 01:36:24,400
Speaker 1: to begin with good point speaking of stands, um, and

1634
01:36:24,680 --> 01:36:27,879
Speaker 1: kind of pivoting here a little bit. But another somewhat

1635
01:36:27,920 --> 01:36:30,679
Speaker 1: counterintuitive thing I've I've heard you said, at least something

1636
01:36:30,720 --> 01:36:35,160
Speaker 1: that maybe goes against some popular advice, Um, is the

1637
01:36:35,200 --> 01:36:38,960
Speaker 1: idea of over hunting stands. But how that can be

1638
01:36:38,960 --> 01:36:41,519
Speaker 1: a good thing at times if it's the right stand

1639
01:36:41,640 --> 01:36:43,800
Speaker 1: or time. Can you talk to me to talk to

1640
01:36:43,880 --> 01:36:46,880
Speaker 1: us about how you learn this lesson about the importance

1641
01:36:46,880 --> 01:36:51,160
Speaker 1: of over hunting hot stands. Oh, the how I learned

1642
01:36:51,200 --> 01:36:55,160
Speaker 1: it is just yet another one of the long line

1643
01:36:55,160 --> 01:36:59,519
Speaker 1: of failures, which I'm very I'm great at failing, and

1644
01:36:59,560 --> 01:37:02,840
Speaker 1: I figure, if you're gonna fail, failed gloriously or don't bother.

1645
01:37:04,000 --> 01:37:09,679
Speaker 1: But um, but there was a This was way back

1646
01:37:09,720 --> 01:37:11,880
Speaker 1: when I was consulting for an outfitter had put in

1647
01:37:11,960 --> 01:37:16,360
Speaker 1: a soybean plot real late. Um, and here it is,

1648
01:37:17,080 --> 01:37:21,759
Speaker 1: early September. I've got a hundred and eight four that's

1649
01:37:21,800 --> 01:37:23,720
Speaker 1: bachelor grouped up with a couple of year and a

1650
01:37:23,760 --> 01:37:27,080
Speaker 1: half old bucks that are head hitting these soybeans on

1651
01:37:27,120 --> 01:37:30,120
Speaker 1: a daily basis. And you know, darn well, that's exactly

1652
01:37:30,160 --> 01:37:32,760
Speaker 1: where I am on opening day. I'm up there and

1653
01:37:32,840 --> 01:37:36,800
Speaker 1: oh sucky, there he is. There he is, but up

1654
01:37:37,040 --> 01:37:40,720
Speaker 1: he got spooped off, um just by maybe he was

1655
01:37:41,040 --> 01:37:45,320
Speaker 1: nothing big. It was just by some deer running around. Okay, well, man,

1656
01:37:46,080 --> 01:37:49,240
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta give this stand four days off

1657
01:37:49,280 --> 01:37:52,760
Speaker 1: now because I just hunted it and you gotta keep

1658
01:37:52,760 --> 01:37:56,639
Speaker 1: your impact low. So now five days later, I'm back

1659
01:37:56,720 --> 01:37:59,080
Speaker 1: up in that exact same stand. There he is again.

1660
01:37:59,200 --> 01:38:02,120
Speaker 1: He's coming. Call he is dead. I mean, man, this

1661
01:38:02,200 --> 01:38:05,200
Speaker 1: is an hour before dark, and he keeps feeding closer

1662
01:38:05,200 --> 01:38:08,000
Speaker 1: and closer and closer. He's at fifty yards right now.

1663
01:38:09,360 --> 01:38:13,639
Speaker 1: I could take that shot, but ding, you know, I'll

1664
01:38:13,720 --> 01:38:17,000
Speaker 1: be more comfortable at thirty yards. Um. As a side note,

1665
01:38:17,000 --> 01:38:19,600
Speaker 1: I practice out to a hundred yards just so that

1666
01:38:19,680 --> 01:38:22,760
Speaker 1: I can when everything is perfect. I mean, here he

1667
01:38:22,880 --> 01:38:26,720
Speaker 1: is broadside, head down, eating that I can take that

1668
01:38:26,760 --> 01:38:30,760
Speaker 1: fifty yards shot. Um. But this is so gift wrapped. Man.

1669
01:38:30,880 --> 01:38:35,080
Speaker 1: Let him come, and sure enough he's working into forty yards.

1670
01:38:35,120 --> 01:38:37,040
Speaker 1: I'm getting ready, and all of a sudden, something in

1671
01:38:37,080 --> 01:38:39,719
Speaker 1: the woods catches his attention and he's staring and staring

1672
01:38:39,720 --> 01:38:42,360
Speaker 1: and staring. Man, if he was only broadside, now i'd

1673
01:38:42,360 --> 01:38:45,160
Speaker 1: be letting that arrow fly. But he's not. He's quarter

1674
01:38:45,240 --> 01:38:48,479
Speaker 1: to me, and he takes off running and oh comes

1675
01:38:48,479 --> 01:38:50,400
Speaker 1: a three and a half year old buck. Now he

1676
01:38:50,520 --> 01:38:54,719
Speaker 1: actually spooked from him making a rug back in the woods.

1677
01:38:55,640 --> 01:38:58,280
Speaker 1: All right, got to give it another five day break

1678
01:38:58,360 --> 01:39:01,240
Speaker 1: before I go back in. While I show up, and

1679
01:39:01,320 --> 01:39:07,160
Speaker 1: now the soybeans are all yellowing. That was so incredibly

1680
01:39:07,200 --> 01:39:10,320
Speaker 1: stupid because Mr Big is no longer coming to that

1681
01:39:10,400 --> 01:39:15,080
Speaker 1: food source, because the soybean leaves are no longer green

1682
01:39:15,200 --> 01:39:19,840
Speaker 1: now they're yellow. He doesn't want them anymore. Buck patterns

1683
01:39:19,880 --> 01:39:25,240
Speaker 1: are very using my definition of patterning, are rarely rarely

1684
01:39:25,439 --> 01:39:30,519
Speaker 1: stable for long periods of time overseason. So when a

1685
01:39:30,720 --> 01:39:35,280
Speaker 1: buck is telling you again going back to uh, going

1686
01:39:35,320 --> 01:39:38,080
Speaker 1: back to jumping up and down, waving his arms, screaming hate,

1687
01:39:38,120 --> 01:39:43,040
Speaker 1: kill me, idiot, you don't sit there and wait for

1688
01:39:43,080 --> 01:39:45,920
Speaker 1: five days before you go back in there again. I mean,

1689
01:39:46,040 --> 01:39:48,040
Speaker 1: I sincerely believe that if I would have hunted that

1690
01:39:48,080 --> 01:39:49,760
Speaker 1: stand every day until I killed them, I would have

1691
01:39:49,840 --> 01:39:54,800
Speaker 1: killed him. But instead of having a couple of weeks worth,

1692
01:39:55,280 --> 01:39:57,320
Speaker 1: or instead of having to shy of a couple of

1693
01:39:57,360 --> 01:40:00,920
Speaker 1: weeks worth of opportunities to hunt, what is a buck

1694
01:40:00,960 --> 01:40:06,160
Speaker 1: of a lifetime for me? Now? I took a handful.

1695
01:40:06,280 --> 01:40:09,920
Speaker 1: I took three shots at it. I limited my own

1696
01:40:10,479 --> 01:40:14,200
Speaker 1: I limited the number of opportunities I had at that deer.

1697
01:40:14,640 --> 01:40:17,160
Speaker 1: And it was actually the outfitter I was consulting for

1698
01:40:17,280 --> 01:40:21,840
Speaker 1: at the time, Tom Inderbow, one of one of the

1699
01:40:21,840 --> 01:40:24,559
Speaker 1: the premier white tailed mines out there as far as

1700
01:40:24,560 --> 01:40:27,760
Speaker 1: I'm concerned. When you're talking hunters, as he's the one

1701
01:40:27,800 --> 01:40:29,640
Speaker 1: who drilled into my head, s feet, you're blowing it.

1702
01:40:30,560 --> 01:40:33,479
Speaker 1: You keep hunting. You know he's going to change, So

1703
01:40:33,720 --> 01:40:36,519
Speaker 1: you keep hunting that buck until you either spook him

1704
01:40:36,600 --> 01:40:39,240
Speaker 1: or you kill him. One of the two, and in

1705
01:40:39,280 --> 01:40:43,000
Speaker 1: those types of situations, I think he was right and

1706
01:40:43,040 --> 01:40:46,240
Speaker 1: have done it that way ever since then have killed

1707
01:40:46,320 --> 01:40:48,360
Speaker 1: a handful of books that I don't believe I would

1708
01:40:48,360 --> 01:40:52,120
Speaker 1: have killed otherwise. So really, what it amounts to is

1709
01:40:52,560 --> 01:40:55,719
Speaker 1: when you're when they're hunting, when they're hitting a food

1710
01:40:55,760 --> 01:40:59,880
Speaker 1: source that you know is seasonal. You know I I

1711
01:41:00,120 --> 01:41:04,040
Speaker 1: know that soybeans, Those soybeans are seasonal. Lists soon as

1712
01:41:04,080 --> 01:41:06,360
Speaker 1: those things start to turn, they're gonna lay off them

1713
01:41:06,360 --> 01:41:10,160
Speaker 1: again until after they've completely dried up, draight out, and hardened,

1714
01:41:10,600 --> 01:41:13,719
Speaker 1: then they'll go be hitting it again. A situation like that,

1715
01:41:13,920 --> 01:41:16,479
Speaker 1: you hunt that stand as often as you can while

1716
01:41:16,560 --> 01:41:20,960
Speaker 1: at while those soybeans leaves are green, when that buck

1717
01:41:21,080 --> 01:41:24,320
Speaker 1: is coming out, when that buck is coming out to

1718
01:41:24,400 --> 01:41:28,439
Speaker 1: that brassic a plot on a regular basis during during

1719
01:41:28,560 --> 01:41:31,840
Speaker 1: legal shooting light, but it's just that half acre blair

1720
01:41:31,920 --> 01:41:34,240
Speaker 1: assic a plot. You've got a ton of your hammering

1721
01:41:34,240 --> 01:41:37,200
Speaker 1: a while this food is going fast, you hunt it

1722
01:41:37,240 --> 01:41:40,280
Speaker 1: while you can, because when it's gone, he's not going

1723
01:41:40,320 --> 01:41:43,560
Speaker 1: to be there anymore. He's still probably hopefully going to

1724
01:41:43,640 --> 01:41:46,320
Speaker 1: be on the property, but he's not going to be there.

1725
01:41:47,080 --> 01:41:49,840
Speaker 1: And the key is is being able to get in,

1726
01:41:50,640 --> 01:41:53,519
Speaker 1: hunt and get out without them knowing you're there. As

1727
01:41:53,640 --> 01:41:56,519
Speaker 1: long as they do not know you're there, you're not.

1728
01:41:58,840 --> 01:42:00,920
Speaker 1: What if this was a high pact stand though, What

1729
01:42:01,040 --> 01:42:03,799
Speaker 1: if the spot that you were seeing this great action

1730
01:42:03,840 --> 01:42:05,720
Speaker 1: on that you know that this is where they're going

1731
01:42:05,760 --> 01:42:07,880
Speaker 1: to be at. What if that is a high impact spot?

1732
01:42:07,920 --> 01:42:10,519
Speaker 1: Do you still risk it and go in there because

1733
01:42:10,520 --> 01:42:13,559
Speaker 1: you know that the odds are you know, disproportionately high

1734
01:42:13,600 --> 01:42:15,639
Speaker 1: at this time and they won't be there in the future.

1735
01:42:15,760 --> 01:42:20,439
Speaker 1: Or do you change your perspective little bit? Am I

1736
01:42:20,479 --> 01:42:23,760
Speaker 1: Do I control this ground or as somebody else let's

1737
01:42:23,840 --> 01:42:26,920
Speaker 1: just hypothetically say it's well, can you can you say

1738
01:42:26,920 --> 01:42:29,000
Speaker 1: on either or if it's by permission or on your own,

1739
01:42:29,040 --> 01:42:31,120
Speaker 1: because I'd be curious to hear how you approach that

1740
01:42:31,200 --> 01:42:35,120
Speaker 1: differently with each If this is if this is ground

1741
01:42:35,160 --> 01:42:40,200
Speaker 1: that I control myself and my goals, my goals on

1742
01:42:40,240 --> 01:42:44,719
Speaker 1: the ground I control. I don't own any it's clients.

1743
01:42:45,080 --> 01:42:48,720
Speaker 1: I think somehow there's an old saying God looks out

1744
01:42:48,760 --> 01:42:51,200
Speaker 1: for children and fools. I have an add on for

1745
01:42:51,320 --> 01:42:54,360
Speaker 1: they slap on the end. Obviously got the back end

1746
01:42:54,400 --> 01:43:02,160
Speaker 1: covered because I have some opportunities that are incredible if

1747
01:43:02,200 --> 01:43:04,800
Speaker 1: I and when I have those opportunities, what I'm trying

1748
01:43:04,840 --> 01:43:07,280
Speaker 1: to do for the clients is it's actually split between

1749
01:43:07,280 --> 01:43:10,120
Speaker 1: trying to kill deer and trying to raise them. If

1750
01:43:10,280 --> 01:43:14,760
Speaker 1: raising deer is important to me on this ground, I'm

1751
01:43:14,800 --> 01:43:19,680
Speaker 1: going to be much lower impact because killing him is

1752
01:43:19,720 --> 01:43:21,760
Speaker 1: only half the battle for me. The other half is

1753
01:43:21,840 --> 01:43:24,240
Speaker 1: raising him. And if I'm spooking them to if they're

1754
01:43:24,320 --> 01:43:28,479
Speaker 1: hammering this area right now on my ground, that means

1755
01:43:28,479 --> 01:43:31,760
Speaker 1: they are and over in the neighbors. Okay, so they're

1756
01:43:31,800 --> 01:43:34,920
Speaker 1: What I'd probably do is I I picked my spot

1757
01:43:35,040 --> 01:43:39,000
Speaker 1: my shots a little bit more selectively because I don't

1758
01:43:39,040 --> 01:43:41,800
Speaker 1: want them. If I spook these deer off this food

1759
01:43:41,800 --> 01:43:44,479
Speaker 1: source right now, they're safe as if they're in their

1760
01:43:44,520 --> 01:43:47,880
Speaker 1: mama's arms because they're heading here on the ground that

1761
01:43:47,960 --> 01:43:51,439
Speaker 1: I managed during legal shooting light. So that at that

1762
01:43:51,840 --> 01:43:54,559
Speaker 1: absolute Stud three and a half year old that I'm

1763
01:43:54,600 --> 01:43:56,960
Speaker 1: trying to get one more year, that's Stud two and

1764
01:43:57,000 --> 01:43:58,720
Speaker 1: a half year old that I'm trying to get one

1765
01:43:58,760 --> 01:44:01,200
Speaker 1: more year on He's every bit is important to me

1766
01:44:01,280 --> 01:44:04,600
Speaker 1: in that situations. The buck I'm trying to kill in

1767
01:44:04,680 --> 01:44:07,400
Speaker 1: that situation, I'm probably not gonna hunt it night after

1768
01:44:07,479 --> 01:44:09,519
Speaker 1: night after night. But I still I'm gonna push a

1769
01:44:09,560 --> 01:44:14,040
Speaker 1: little bit harder. I'm gonna push it until I get

1770
01:44:14,080 --> 01:44:16,280
Speaker 1: busted that first time, and then I'm going to back off.

1771
01:44:17,400 --> 01:44:19,000
Speaker 1: I'm going to back off, and I'm going to give

1772
01:44:19,080 --> 01:44:22,760
Speaker 1: them a chance too. I'm not going to push it hard.

1773
01:44:22,800 --> 01:44:25,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna push it. I'm gonna try to make sure

1774
01:44:25,280 --> 01:44:28,600
Speaker 1: I don't push it so hard that they change their patterns,

1775
01:44:28,840 --> 01:44:31,880
Speaker 1: because their patterns are working for me. If this happens

1776
01:44:31,920 --> 01:44:35,439
Speaker 1: to be my my neighbor's ground, who is nice enough

1777
01:44:35,439 --> 01:44:39,000
Speaker 1: to give me permission to hunt it, I'm gonna hunt

1778
01:44:39,080 --> 01:44:41,840
Speaker 1: that location over and over and over and over and

1779
01:44:41,880 --> 01:44:47,080
Speaker 1: over until they stop use them. But but this goes

1780
01:44:47,120 --> 01:44:49,639
Speaker 1: back to what you were saying about pushing the envelope

1781
01:44:49,720 --> 01:44:53,800
Speaker 1: a little bit. In my mind, pushing the envelope is

1782
01:44:53,960 --> 01:44:58,679
Speaker 1: having multiple spots to hunt. So if I blow this here,

1783
01:44:59,160 --> 01:45:01,240
Speaker 1: I still got to land over there. I got the

1784
01:45:01,280 --> 01:45:04,679
Speaker 1: public land over there, and I've got another another piece

1785
01:45:04,720 --> 01:45:07,519
Speaker 1: of ground that I was able to trade some trade,

1786
01:45:07,600 --> 01:45:11,519
Speaker 1: some work for hunting rights over there as well. No,

1787
01:45:11,680 --> 01:45:14,599
Speaker 1: I think that most people, in my opinion, are way

1788
01:45:14,680 --> 01:45:18,519
Speaker 1: too willing to settle for hunting that one spot. I

1789
01:45:18,560 --> 01:45:22,599
Speaker 1: want to have other options because if I have other options,

1790
01:45:22,680 --> 01:45:26,559
Speaker 1: that means that a I'm don't have to pound. Um,

1791
01:45:26,600 --> 01:45:29,519
Speaker 1: I don't have to pound properties When things aren't going well,

1792
01:45:30,160 --> 01:45:34,360
Speaker 1: hunting more isn't can improve it. Okay, Um, By not

1793
01:45:34,439 --> 01:45:37,240
Speaker 1: going well, I mean you're not seeing squat for deer

1794
01:45:37,640 --> 01:45:40,040
Speaker 1: or anything close to what you want to kill for

1795
01:45:40,120 --> 01:45:42,920
Speaker 1: a deer. If that's happening, I don't want to hunt

1796
01:45:42,960 --> 01:45:47,320
Speaker 1: that property even harder because one, obviously it's telling me

1797
01:45:47,360 --> 01:45:49,120
Speaker 1: that if I got mature bucks here that I want

1798
01:45:49,120 --> 01:45:52,000
Speaker 1: to kill, they're not cooperating with me right now, so

1799
01:45:52,080 --> 01:45:54,320
Speaker 1: let's give them a chance to cooperate, or they're not

1800
01:45:54,400 --> 01:45:57,840
Speaker 1: there at all. Kind of hard to hunt something that's

1801
01:45:57,840 --> 01:46:00,360
Speaker 1: not say, well, it's easy to hunt something that's out there,

1802
01:46:00,400 --> 01:46:04,759
Speaker 1: but it's real tough to kill them. Um. But having

1803
01:46:04,800 --> 01:46:09,799
Speaker 1: those extra options virtually anybody who's got a driver's license,

1804
01:46:09,840 --> 01:46:13,160
Speaker 1: even in Illinois, Illinois gets if I recall correctly, you

1805
01:46:13,200 --> 01:46:16,080
Speaker 1: guys are from Illinois. Are You're not Dan's in Iowa.

1806
01:46:16,120 --> 01:46:20,200
Speaker 1: I'm not actually in Michigan. Okay, Well, I was completely

1807
01:46:20,200 --> 01:46:31,960
Speaker 1: wrong on that Iowa has a decent amount of public ground. Um, Michigan, Michigan.

1808
01:46:31,960 --> 01:46:33,599
Speaker 1: The up has got a ton of them. Not really

1809
01:46:33,640 --> 01:46:37,400
Speaker 1: familiar with the Lower Peninsula that much as far as

1810
01:46:37,400 --> 01:46:40,840
Speaker 1: how much ground is available. But most most of your listeners,

1811
01:46:41,400 --> 01:46:44,439
Speaker 1: if they're willing to drive a half hour forty five minutes,

1812
01:46:44,880 --> 01:46:47,840
Speaker 1: odds are they can get into public ground hunting. And

1813
01:46:47,960 --> 01:46:51,680
Speaker 1: public ground hunting really gets a bad rap, you know

1814
01:46:51,800 --> 01:46:54,280
Speaker 1: it does. I mean, I'm not pretending for a second.

1815
01:46:54,320 --> 01:46:56,160
Speaker 1: I am very lucky, and then I get to hunt

1816
01:46:56,200 --> 01:46:59,920
Speaker 1: utopia and I get to hunt. What is viewed by

1817
01:47:00,280 --> 01:47:03,040
Speaker 1: the hunters of the world is a scourge of hunting

1818
01:47:03,040 --> 01:47:06,599
Speaker 1: ground public ground. Um, I'm not going to pretend that

1819
01:47:06,720 --> 01:47:09,840
Speaker 1: hunting public ground is anywhere near as easy as hunting

1820
01:47:09,840 --> 01:47:14,880
Speaker 1: you told me, because it's not. But more often than not,

1821
01:47:15,080 --> 01:47:17,160
Speaker 1: public ground has got some bucks on it that you'd

1822
01:47:17,160 --> 01:47:21,920
Speaker 1: be more than happy to drag out. And that gives

1823
01:47:21,920 --> 01:47:27,519
Speaker 1: me places to head when things aren't so great. Hopefully

1824
01:47:27,560 --> 01:47:30,040
Speaker 1: I answered your question in there somewhere I can't even

1825
01:47:30,120 --> 01:47:32,320
Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you. Got off on so many tangents,

1826
01:47:32,800 --> 01:47:36,320
Speaker 1: remember what it was. You're the king of tangents, you know,

1827
01:47:36,439 --> 01:47:38,840
Speaker 1: But they're they're good. That's compliment. If you're going to

1828
01:47:39,439 --> 01:47:44,880
Speaker 1: fail woriously or don't bother. No, this is uh, this

1829
01:47:45,000 --> 01:47:48,120
Speaker 1: is I could talk about these types of things with

1830
01:47:48,200 --> 01:47:51,400
Speaker 1: you for for hours. That I really enjoy your perspective

1831
01:47:51,400 --> 01:47:52,320
Speaker 1: and a lot of these things and a lot of

1832
01:47:52,400 --> 01:47:55,519
Speaker 1: things you say resonate with me a lot, because it's

1833
01:47:55,680 --> 01:47:57,720
Speaker 1: very much. I'm not sure if it's just because it's

1834
01:47:57,720 --> 01:48:00,120
Speaker 1: so in line with what I believe, or because just

1835
01:48:00,200 --> 01:48:01,960
Speaker 1: what I believe so much of it comes from you.

1836
01:48:02,040 --> 01:48:05,600
Speaker 1: I'm not sure which came first, but you might you

1837
01:48:05,640 --> 01:48:08,840
Speaker 1: mind if I make myself look like a colossal jerk

1838
01:48:08,920 --> 01:48:17,000
Speaker 1: here for a second. Thank you finally someone making us

1839
01:48:17,040 --> 01:48:22,960
Speaker 1: look Yeah, this is nice for change you. There's there's

1840
01:48:23,000 --> 01:48:26,760
Speaker 1: a reason I like and respect you guys, because you're

1841
01:48:26,840 --> 01:48:30,240
Speaker 1: in this industry and you actually hunt. You have to

1842
01:48:30,280 --> 01:48:32,160
Speaker 1: know as well as I do, the majority of the

1843
01:48:32,200 --> 01:48:36,360
Speaker 1: people in this industry that are quote unquote experts by

1844
01:48:36,400 --> 01:48:42,160
Speaker 1: our definition, they don't hunt. They kill stuff. Yeah, when

1845
01:48:42,200 --> 01:48:44,559
Speaker 1: you go when you go from and there's there's nothing

1846
01:48:44,560 --> 01:48:47,120
Speaker 1: wrong with this. I don't This is not so our

1847
01:48:47,200 --> 01:48:50,280
Speaker 1: grapes or anything. You know what. God loves the people

1848
01:48:50,280 --> 01:48:52,080
Speaker 1: that are able to do this for a living and

1849
01:48:52,080 --> 01:48:55,800
Speaker 1: that that genuinely enjoy it. But when you go from

1850
01:48:55,800 --> 01:48:58,519
Speaker 1: guided hunt to guided hunt, to guided hunt, to guided

1851
01:48:58,600 --> 01:49:03,000
Speaker 1: hunt to guided hunt, and the only payments these outfitters

1852
01:49:03,000 --> 01:49:06,600
Speaker 1: are receiving his publicity. So what they tend to do

1853
01:49:06,640 --> 01:49:08,600
Speaker 1: is they tend to save that one area where that

1854
01:49:08,640 --> 01:49:12,040
Speaker 1: good buck is coming out on. They tend not all

1855
01:49:12,080 --> 01:49:15,200
Speaker 1: of them, but a good percent tend to save that

1856
01:49:15,320 --> 01:49:19,160
Speaker 1: area for their quote unquote expert who's coming in. All

1857
01:49:19,200 --> 01:49:21,679
Speaker 1: they do is climb up a stand and kill something.

1858
01:49:22,720 --> 01:49:28,679
Speaker 1: Well you know what, that's you you come. It's really

1859
01:49:28,680 --> 01:49:31,320
Speaker 1: easy to jump to all sorts of conclusions that aren't

1860
01:49:31,400 --> 01:49:34,479
Speaker 1: very accurate in the real world. The other the other

1861
01:49:34,520 --> 01:49:38,200
Speaker 1: scenario that happens quite a bit is I'm as I've

1862
01:49:38,240 --> 01:49:40,360
Speaker 1: just got done saying, you know, God looks out for

1863
01:49:40,439 --> 01:49:43,519
Speaker 1: children and fools, and I got the back end covered there.

1864
01:49:43,680 --> 01:49:49,080
Speaker 1: I've been very lucky to manage now five very large

1865
01:49:49,400 --> 01:49:53,400
Speaker 1: properties over the years where these guys that they they

1866
01:49:53,400 --> 01:49:57,080
Speaker 1: go ahead and they give me budgets that are beyond

1867
01:49:57,280 --> 01:50:01,680
Speaker 1: what most people would think. They're saying, h and just

1868
01:50:01,760 --> 01:50:03,519
Speaker 1: go ahead and set this up to make it the

1869
01:50:03,600 --> 01:50:07,519
Speaker 1: very best of your hunting property you can when you're

1870
01:50:07,600 --> 01:50:11,000
Speaker 1: hunting on properties like that, when they start hitting. When

1871
01:50:11,000 --> 01:50:15,080
Speaker 1: they really start hitting their stride, it's hard to look stupid.

1872
01:50:16,320 --> 01:50:20,120
Speaker 1: It is, I mean, the things that work for you there.

1873
01:50:21,040 --> 01:50:24,639
Speaker 1: You try that stuff on your uncle's farm, you try

1874
01:50:24,720 --> 01:50:28,080
Speaker 1: that stuff on public ground, Man, are you gonna look

1875
01:50:28,160 --> 01:50:32,960
Speaker 1: real stupid, real fast? When when you don't ever hunt

1876
01:50:33,000 --> 01:50:37,439
Speaker 1: those types of scenarios, it's hard not to believe your

1877
01:50:37,439 --> 01:50:41,640
Speaker 1: own press clippings. It's hard to believe that, you know what,

1878
01:50:41,800 --> 01:50:45,400
Speaker 1: taking to taking two carbon arrows and tapping them together.

1879
01:50:45,560 --> 01:50:48,519
Speaker 1: It sounds like rattling antlers. Really isn't the greatest thing

1880
01:50:48,600 --> 01:50:51,559
Speaker 1: in the world to try to do on that uncle's property,

1881
01:50:51,560 --> 01:50:55,519
Speaker 1: because it's probably not gonna work, But it works a

1882
01:50:55,680 --> 01:50:59,080
Speaker 1: lot better when you're dealing with the pope and young buck.

1883
01:50:59,120 --> 01:51:02,639
Speaker 1: For every forty akers and you're talking about a five

1884
01:51:02,680 --> 01:51:06,719
Speaker 1: thousand acre property, you know, chances are one of those,

1885
01:51:07,080 --> 01:51:09,000
Speaker 1: one of those Pope and young bucks are gonna walk

1886
01:51:09,040 --> 01:51:11,479
Speaker 1: by you. Whether it had anything to do with you

1887
01:51:11,560 --> 01:51:15,040
Speaker 1: clicking those antlers, those two carbon arrows together or not,

1888
01:51:16,840 --> 01:51:20,600
Speaker 1: it comes really easy to jump to all sorts of

1889
01:51:20,720 --> 01:51:24,320
Speaker 1: conclusions that just don't add up. And that's why I'm

1890
01:51:25,240 --> 01:51:29,280
Speaker 1: I'm it's not an accident that I still hunt public ground.

1891
01:51:29,720 --> 01:51:32,719
Speaker 1: Part of it's quite honestly an ego trip. I shouldn't

1892
01:51:32,760 --> 01:51:34,920
Speaker 1: say this, but you kill a three and a half

1893
01:51:35,040 --> 01:51:37,040
Speaker 1: year old buck, I don't care if it's a hundred inches.

1894
01:51:38,120 --> 01:51:39,840
Speaker 1: When I drank a three and a half year old

1895
01:51:39,880 --> 01:51:42,280
Speaker 1: buck off a public ground, I feel like I did something.

1896
01:51:43,240 --> 01:51:46,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a source of pride and it helps,

1897
01:51:46,600 --> 01:51:49,559
Speaker 1: it helps hone my skills. But at the same time,

1898
01:51:50,880 --> 01:51:52,680
Speaker 1: as I said, I know this makes me sound like

1899
01:51:52,720 --> 01:51:55,400
Speaker 1: a colossal jerk, but I cannot, for the life of me,

1900
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Speaker 1: understand how people themselves can stand up there it's in

1901
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Speaker 1: front of a TV camera, whether it's in front of

1902
01:52:03,360 --> 01:52:05,280
Speaker 1: an audience and a deer show where if it's in

1903
01:52:05,280 --> 01:52:09,280
Speaker 1: a magazine and tell normal hunters how they should hunt

1904
01:52:09,320 --> 01:52:12,000
Speaker 1: when you never ever hunt like that normal hunter does.

1905
01:52:13,640 --> 01:52:16,800
Speaker 1: That's quite honestly, why I think that the three of

1906
01:52:16,880 --> 01:52:19,599
Speaker 1: us can relate to each other so well or three

1907
01:52:19,880 --> 01:52:23,840
Speaker 1: d or not three killers. Yeah, and I agree with

1908
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Speaker 1: everything you're saying there. And on top of all that,

1909
01:52:27,360 --> 01:52:29,280
Speaker 1: I think what we're doing is a whole lot more fun,

1910
01:52:29,640 --> 01:52:33,400
Speaker 1: like actually dealing with the challenge and really having to

1911
01:52:33,479 --> 01:52:35,880
Speaker 1: learn these deer and really putting in the work that's

1912
01:52:35,920 --> 01:52:39,200
Speaker 1: a lot more fun and fulfilling than ever just climbing

1913
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Speaker 1: up a tree stand and killing something that you know

1914
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Speaker 1: someone told me would be there. I did I personally,

1915
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Speaker 1: and like you said, there's nothing wrong with it, you know,

1916
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Speaker 1: to each their own. But that just doesn't do it

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Speaker 1: for me. Um, I'm I hunt for the hunt. I

1918
01:52:51,920 --> 01:52:54,160
Speaker 1: can honestly say I've never went on a guide that

1919
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Speaker 1: hunt in my life. Not because, as I said, I

1920
01:52:57,920 --> 01:53:00,680
Speaker 1: I cut my teeth on the consulting act be consulting

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Speaker 1: for outfitters. God love, people are going guided hunts. There's

1922
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Speaker 1: absolutely positively nothing wrong with that in any way, shape

1923
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Speaker 1: or form. But the thrill isn't there for me. I

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Speaker 1: don't wait to me, I mean, I know this sounds

1925
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Speaker 1: cool and all that stuff, but no bs. To me,

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Speaker 1: killing the gear is not the rush. The rush is

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Speaker 1: somehow figuring it out well enough that I can be

1928
01:53:28,200 --> 01:53:30,960
Speaker 1: within shooting range of that mature deer and he doesn't

1929
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Speaker 1: know him there. That to me is the rush. To me,

1930
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Speaker 1: the rushes Jesus must be ten years ago now when

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Speaker 1: I thought I might have figured out something about dominant

1932
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Speaker 1: family group dominant doe groups, and then spending the next

1933
01:53:47,760 --> 01:53:50,519
Speaker 1: you know, six seven years trying to prove it wrong

1934
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Speaker 1: and not being able to prove it wrong. I just

1935
01:53:55,000 --> 01:53:57,559
Speaker 1: figured something. That is the rush and the stuff for

1936
01:53:57,640 --> 01:54:01,679
Speaker 1: me figuring out those little things, putting together the jigsaw

1937
01:54:01,760 --> 01:54:06,000
Speaker 1: puzzle that every one of these properties are, whether it's

1938
01:54:06,040 --> 01:54:09,519
Speaker 1: public ground or private ground, and figuring out the picture

1939
01:54:09,560 --> 01:54:13,120
Speaker 1: it paints that gives you the best odds of killing Mr. Big.

1940
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Speaker 1: That is the rush killing the deer is that there's

1941
01:54:18,000 --> 01:54:20,639
Speaker 1: obviously I don't think there's anything wrong with killing deer,

1942
01:54:20,680 --> 01:54:24,759
Speaker 1: And frankly, I always look forward to the seasons where

1943
01:54:25,280 --> 01:54:27,360
Speaker 1: my clients have too many dolls and I've got to

1944
01:54:27,400 --> 01:54:31,160
Speaker 1: kill a bunch of dolls because this isn't politically correct.

1945
01:54:31,160 --> 01:54:34,920
Speaker 1: But I really like killing deer, especially when I can

1946
01:54:34,960 --> 01:54:38,560
Speaker 1: go ahead and donate the extra venison that I won't

1947
01:54:38,600 --> 01:54:41,720
Speaker 1: be using to feed hungry people, and actually get to

1948
01:54:41,760 --> 01:54:44,280
Speaker 1: pretend I'm doing something good in this world for once.

1949
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Speaker 1: That's fun. That's that's what drives me on this type

1950
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Speaker 1: of stuff. That and quite honestly, habitat improvements where I'm

1951
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Speaker 1: trying to get a dear to do this and whow

1952
01:54:57,960 --> 01:55:01,440
Speaker 1: can you believe it? He just did? Wow? Isn't that

1953
01:55:01,440 --> 01:55:04,320
Speaker 1: the coolest darn thing you ever saw. He was doing that,

1954
01:55:04,640 --> 01:55:08,040
Speaker 1: and I now have him do this. It's just those

1955
01:55:08,040 --> 01:55:10,840
Speaker 1: stupid things I get off on. Yeah, No, I think

1956
01:55:10,880 --> 01:55:13,960
Speaker 1: you're among kindred spirits here. Me and me and Dan

1957
01:55:14,040 --> 01:55:16,960
Speaker 1: are very much in the same boat as you and

1958
01:55:17,160 --> 01:55:19,720
Speaker 1: uh and man I gotta believe that most of our

1959
01:55:19,720 --> 01:55:21,800
Speaker 1: listeners probably can relate to a lot of this too,

1960
01:55:22,040 --> 01:55:24,400
Speaker 1: but it's much as they hate to say this, Steve,

1961
01:55:24,760 --> 01:55:27,200
Speaker 1: we have got to wrap this conversation up. We've We've

1962
01:55:27,200 --> 01:55:29,960
Speaker 1: probably taken more time than than you were expecting, so

1963
01:55:30,040 --> 01:55:33,880
Speaker 1: thank you for that you can. I don't I love

1964
01:55:33,960 --> 01:55:36,520
Speaker 1: talking about this type of stuff, especially when it's with

1965
01:55:36,560 --> 01:55:42,600
Speaker 1: people like you guys. You guys do if this, If

1966
01:55:42,680 --> 01:55:46,680
Speaker 1: this and the last interview was beneficial to your audience

1967
01:55:46,680 --> 01:55:48,920
Speaker 1: in any way, shape or form, you were, you guys

1968
01:55:48,920 --> 01:55:51,720
Speaker 1: are the ones that deserve the credit because you know

1969
01:55:51,880 --> 01:55:55,240
Speaker 1: better than I do. I'm not a good interview. You're good.

1970
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Speaker 1: I've I've thoroughly enjoyed this um and you guys, you guys, Yeah,

1971
01:56:04,080 --> 01:56:07,120
Speaker 1: it is my pleasure. And you guys better be proud

1972
01:56:07,160 --> 01:56:09,720
Speaker 1: of his heck or what you built there, because I

1973
01:56:09,960 --> 01:56:13,320
Speaker 1: you deserve to be well. Thank you. We really appreciate that.

1974
01:56:13,840 --> 01:56:16,120
Speaker 1: I guess you know, well, if we want to continue

1975
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Speaker 1: throwing compliments, I'll throw one more year way really quickly

1976
01:56:20,120 --> 01:56:23,000
Speaker 1: and just say that to the point I made earlier,

1977
01:56:23,160 --> 01:56:25,800
Speaker 1: your books are terrific. I own two of them. I

1978
01:56:25,840 --> 01:56:28,480
Speaker 1: haven't read The Habitat yet, but I'm definitely going to.

1979
01:56:29,080 --> 01:56:31,320
Speaker 1: I really quick. Want to give you an opportunity to

1980
01:56:31,440 --> 01:56:33,920
Speaker 1: let our audience know where where should they go to

1981
01:56:33,960 --> 01:56:36,160
Speaker 1: find those books, because I think they definitely should try

1982
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Speaker 1: to give him a reader they can um if if

1983
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Speaker 1: they want to give them the cheapest they can, they

1984
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Speaker 1: should just go to Amazon. I kild the dirty little secrets.

1985
01:56:46,840 --> 01:56:50,040
Speaker 1: One of the dirty little secrets about writing books is

1986
01:56:50,120 --> 01:56:52,720
Speaker 1: the amazons of the world. We can get them cheaper

1987
01:56:52,760 --> 01:56:57,440
Speaker 1: than the author can um so any if you just

1988
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Speaker 1: do a search on my name on Amazon, you'll come

1989
01:56:59,880 --> 01:57:02,720
Speaker 1: up with all four of them. Otherwise, if the person

1990
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Speaker 1: wanted an autograph copy uh www Dad, dot food, dash plots,

1991
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Speaker 1: dash for dash deer dot com minus signs between each

1992
01:57:15,160 --> 01:57:17,480
Speaker 1: one of those words, you can buy an even there

1993
01:57:17,520 --> 01:57:19,720
Speaker 1: and would be more than happy to sign them. But

1994
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Speaker 1: I'm telling telling your audience right up front, you can

1995
01:57:23,240 --> 01:57:28,360
Speaker 1: get them all all cheaper straight from Amazon. You throw

1996
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Speaker 1: in a fifty dollar charge for your autograph though, right I.

1997
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Speaker 1: If I did, my book sales would be far worse.

1998
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Speaker 1: I'm surprised people don't some people that order the books.

1999
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Speaker 1: It has absolute for me directly, has absolutely nothing to

2000
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Speaker 1: do with wanting a signature. They have no idea they

2001
01:57:48,240 --> 01:57:50,600
Speaker 1: or even to get one. And I'm surprised I haven't

2002
01:57:50,600 --> 01:57:57,760
Speaker 1: gotten books back asking for reasons. That's awesome, well, Steve,

2003
01:57:57,920 --> 01:58:00,280
Speaker 1: this this has been great. We really appreciate you owning

2004
01:58:00,400 --> 01:58:04,320
Speaker 1: us and sharing your perspective and everything. And hopefully we

2005
01:58:04,360 --> 01:58:06,040
Speaker 1: can stay in touch over the coming months and we'll

2006
01:58:06,080 --> 01:58:08,600
Speaker 1: have some great stories to share from another successful hunting

2007
01:58:08,640 --> 01:58:13,320
Speaker 1: season for you. Sounds great, gentlemen, alright, if you don't mind,

2008
01:58:13,360 --> 01:58:17,880
Speaker 1: I just want to thank your audience. Um, I I

2009
01:58:17,920 --> 01:58:21,760
Speaker 1: couldn't do what I do without them, and that's not

2010
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Speaker 1: lost on me for a second. And to say I

2011
01:58:24,640 --> 01:58:28,800
Speaker 1: appreciate it just seems to be not doing any kind

2012
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Speaker 1: of justice whatsoever. But trust me, it is not lost

2013
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Speaker 1: on me. How incredibly blessed I am to do what

2014
01:58:37,200 --> 01:58:42,520
Speaker 1: I do and I all that to your audience. Yeah,

2015
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Speaker 1: that's that's a great point in both both Dan and

2016
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Speaker 1: I too. We we appreciate everyone listening and uh man,

2017
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Speaker 1: this is good stuff. Steve, thank you so much. Oh

2018
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Speaker 1: my pleasure. Guys. All right, well, I have one more

2019
01:58:56,600 --> 01:58:59,360
Speaker 1: piece of advice for you today now that we're wrapping

2020
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Speaker 1: this up, and that is to go back and listen

2021
01:59:03,440 --> 01:59:07,160
Speaker 1: to this entire conversation with Steve again, because there was

2022
01:59:07,280 --> 01:59:11,400
Speaker 1: just so much valuable information I think packed in this one.

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01:59:11,560 --> 01:59:13,240
Speaker 1: I think there are so many things that you can

2024
01:59:13,280 --> 01:59:15,920
Speaker 1: take away from this and apply to your own hunting

2025
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Speaker 1: season and you will see better success. Listen to it again.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot to digest. I'm going to do the same,

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Speaker 1: and I hope you really enjoy this one and found

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Speaker 1: as valuable as I did. Now real quick, before we

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Speaker 1: shut this down, we need to thank our partners who

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Speaker 1: helped make this podcast possible. So thank you too, Sick

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Speaker 1: of Gear, Trophy, Ridge, Bear Archery, Redneck Blinds, Hunter, A,

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Speaker 1: Maps of Zonics, Carbon Express, Maven Optics, in the White

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Speaker 1: Tailed Institute of North America. And with all that said,

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Speaker 1: thank you as well for joining us today. We really

2035
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Speaker 1: appreciate your time, appreciate you spending this couple hours of

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Speaker 1: us talking. Dear and hopefully it found us as educational

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Speaker 1: and interesting as I did. And finally, of course, I

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Speaker 1: hope you'll stay wired to hunt that