1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. 3 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 2: Welcome in. 4 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 3: I hope all of you are having a fantastic day 5 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 3: Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. We have got a bevy 6 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 3: of stories to hang out and discuss throughout the course 7 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 3: of the day with you. We're going to continue to 8 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 3: talk about the issues surrounding Trump's legal processes and where 9 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 3: we are headed there. We have got a variety of 10 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 3: opinions about when and where these trials will actually take place. 11 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 2: We will discuss. 12 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 3: Snow White not happy over people saying mean things about her. 13 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 3: This is the live action remake snow White. Target with 14 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 3: some interesting comments about the impact from all of you 15 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 3: after they decided that they wanted to sell young children 16 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 3: bathing suits that allowed boys to tuck their penises inside 17 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 3: of women's bathing suits. Yes, this was the real thing 18 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 3: and it has had a substantial impact. RFK Junior is 19 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 3: a stain on the Kennedy family. I want to make 20 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:10,319 Speaker 3: sure that you guys understand what is being said about 21 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 3: anyone who dares to step at Joe Biden in the 22 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 3: Democrat Party. Will Caine from out in Hawaii as the 23 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 3: fallout continues surrounding the devastating wildfire there that has taken 24 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 3: over one hundred lives, with the fear that there will 25 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 3: be many more discovered in the days ahead. All of 26 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 3: that and more coming your way. But Buck, I went 27 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 3: three for three. I know I came on as a guest. 28 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 3: Awesome time in Salt Lake City. Appreciate everybody who came 29 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 3: out in Layton, Utah. Also last night, hundreds of you 30 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 3: came out in Katie, Texas. 31 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 2: It was phenomenal. 32 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 3: I am now in Tampa and I'm going to be 33 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 3: at the Brandon Florida. Let's go Brandon. Easy to remember 34 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 3: signing the copies of my book at the Books a 35 00:01:56,280 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 3: Million today at five o'clock, As producer Alli says, it'll 36 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 3: be a happy hour or so. 37 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 2: I am headed over there right at five. 38 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 3: Cannot wait to meet many of you in Florida at 39 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:09,519 Speaker 3: the Brandon Florida Books a Million. But Buck, I am. 40 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,679 Speaker 3: I spent a lot of time reading all about this 41 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:17,519 Speaker 3: Atlanta indictment that has been brought against Donald Trump, and 42 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 3: I know we talked about it a little bit yesterday, 43 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 3: but I am filled with an absolute plenitude of opinions 44 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 3: surrounding this case, where it's going, and how it fits 45 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 3: into the larger legal apparatus as they try to bring 46 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:36,799 Speaker 3: down Donald Trump. As we sit here, what one week 47 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:40,359 Speaker 3: I believe from the day of the first Republican debate, 48 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:43,959 Speaker 3: which will be taking place in Milwaukee exactly one week 49 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 3: from now. 50 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 2: I know you spent all day yesterday talking about it. 51 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 2: Three straight times. 52 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 3: Trump has been indicted and I have been out of 53 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 3: the next day, which would pay off at an incredible 54 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 3: parlay one hundred to one or better. I would think, 55 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 3: what was your biggest takeaway as you continue you to 56 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:02,359 Speaker 3: sit and look at the fallout. 57 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 4: Well on the law, it seems, and you know, we 58 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 4: had Andy McCarthy on yesterday talk about it, so we 59 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 4: got pretty deep down into it. The rico component of 60 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 4: this is more for the headlines than it is for 61 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 4: the statute or than it is for the real nuts 62 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 4: and bolts of the case. 63 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 2: It's all they've always. 64 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 4: Wanted to treat Trump like a mob boss, and that's 65 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 4: what everyone knows is that's what Rico brings up in 66 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 4: the in the public mind, and even for people that 67 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 4: work as prosecutors, that's generally what they're thinking of, either 68 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 4: a drug gang, conspiracy, or you know, organized crime, conspiracy. 69 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 4: And now they're even saying that Rudy Giuliani, who built 70 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 4: his career effectively. I mean, I remember this. He went 71 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 4: after all the racketeering in New York City in the 72 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 4: construction industry, and that's how Rudy became first kind of 73 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 4: America's prosecutor than America's mayor. And now they're going after 74 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 4: him as part of the Rico Clay. On the politics 75 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 4: of this, again, there's no downside for the prosecutor. There's 76 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 4: no downside for the Democrats. So unfortunately it's a narrative 77 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 4: win for them at this stage. Right, they're getting what 78 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 4: they want, which is why they did it. I am 79 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 4: starting to see, Oh, there's a lot of back and 80 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 4: forth over first of all, whether the trials are actually 81 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 4: going through multiple trials now, will occur before the election 82 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 4: or after. There are a lot of folks who are 83 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 4: weighing in on actually can we get so we had 84 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 4: this because I wanted you to react to this. 85 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 2: I thought of you right away. 86 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 4: I think there's going to be at least a couple 87 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 4: of these trials before the election. Like I just there's 88 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 4: no way that they're going to allow all of this 89 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 4: to hang over the election. That's not why they in 90 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:52,840 Speaker 4: my mind that it's just not feasible for the people 91 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 4: that are pushing these decisions. But the process is a process, 92 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 4: and who knows how it's actually going to shake out? 93 00:04:59,720 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 2: Can we? 94 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 4: He played Dershowitz here saying he says Clay, all four 95 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 4: trials will happen and there will be some convictions. 96 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 2: I predict there'll be some convictions. 97 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 5: I think the strategy is to get bad convictions, but 98 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 5: to get him fast in New York and Florida, in 99 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 5: Washington and in Fulton County. Then they'll be reversed on appeal, 100 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 5: but they'll be reversed on the appeal after the election. 101 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 5: That's why everybody's rushing to get these cases tried. 102 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 2: We now know that they want to tried within six months. 103 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 6: In Georgia, they. 104 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 5: Want a trial in January. 105 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 2: In Washington, d C. They want to trial in May. 106 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 2: In Florida. 107 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 5: New York has been willing to put it off, but 108 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 5: they're gonna get on the bandwagon too. Everybody who was 109 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 5: going after Trump, the whole get Trump approach is to 110 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 5: get him before the election. 111 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 2: Play. 112 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 4: I stand firmly with the Dirshaw on this one. You 113 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 4: still seem skeptical. I think he's one hundred percent. I 114 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 4: love Alan Dershowitz. We've had him on this show seven times. 115 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 4: He is way smarter than me when it comes to 116 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:07,279 Speaker 4: analyzing the law. I'm not in any way questioning that, 117 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 4: in my opinion, there is a zero percent chance that 118 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:14,679 Speaker 4: there will be four completed trials before the twenty twenty 119 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 4: four election. I think it's possible that the March case 120 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 4: surrounding the bookkeeping error in New York City that might 121 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 4: possibly go to trial right now it is slotted for March. 122 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 2: I think that's possible. 123 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 3: I think that the chances of there being more than 124 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 3: one resolved court case is nearly zero, and that is 125 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 3: because of the complexities that are involved, certainly in the 126 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 3: federal cases. 127 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 4: But I have to ask, what do you think Dershowitz 128 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 4: is missing though, because he understands the complexity. I think 129 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 4: he's assuming that the system is going to run differently, 130 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 4: because that's the whole point, right that a judge who 131 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 4: would normally play look at these motions and say, all right, 132 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 4: we've got it. 133 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 2: It's just gonna say no, no, no, keep going. 134 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 4: Let's move that the system is effected if we believe 135 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 4: it's weaponized. Why don't we think that the judiciary is 136 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 4: a part of it? Okay, So I think you can 137 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 4: break them down on a multiple front level one. 138 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 3: I bet Alan Dershowitz does not know much about the 139 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 3: timing of, for instance, Fulton County, or of South Florida, 140 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 3: or of the judicial circuit in Washington, d C. Because 141 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 3: I don't think he would have had an opportunity or 142 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 3: a need to be appearing in front of any of 143 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 3: those courts. Remember, Julie Kelly has been covering all these 144 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 3: jan six cases with a fine tooth comb. None of 145 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 3: them have been tried within a year of the charges 146 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 3: being brought. So I think there's going to be so 147 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 3: much motioning, there's going to be so much difficulty that 148 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 3: it will be virtually impossible to get these cases done. Atlanta, 149 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 3: let me give you an example, Buck, there is currently 150 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 3: a RICO case that is being tried by Fanny Willis, 151 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 3: who is the district attorney in this case. She's charging 152 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 3: a Atlanta area rapper with RICO violations. Many of the 153 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 3: charges very similar to what she brought against Trump. They've 154 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 3: been trying to seat a jury in that case since 155 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 3: January we're now sitting in August. So many of the 156 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 3: defendants are making motions. There are so many different moving 157 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 3: parts here. Remember they're nineteen defendants. Many of those defendants, 158 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 3: I guarantee you will be trying to argue that they 159 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 3: want their own trial because they don't want to be 160 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 3: tried alongside of the other defendants. I think, for just 161 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 3: analyzing Atlanta in particular, I think there's a very strong 162 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 3: chance that Trump is going to be able to get 163 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 3: the Atlanta Georgia state case moved to federal court. Because 164 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 3: virtually every act that is alleged to have occurred by 165 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:59,199 Speaker 3: Trump took place in his official capacity as president of 166 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 3: the United States, most of those actions taking place in Washington, DC, 167 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 3: out of the Georgia jurisdiction, and her overall charges are 168 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 3: so expansive that they encompass what was going on in 169 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 3: Arizona and Wisconsin. It's kind of the definition of what 170 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 3: a federal court decision was made for. I think there's 171 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 3: a very strong likelihood that Trump is able to move 172 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:27,559 Speaker 3: the charges against him. Some of these are state charges 173 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 3: that I think may well stay in state court against 174 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 3: some of these Georgia based officials. I think there's a 175 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 3: good chance Trump gets it moved to federal court. 176 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 2: I think there's almost no chance of that, almost no 177 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:40,439 Speaker 2: chance of it. Absolutely, as it's. 178 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 4: A state level offense. The whole reason that Fanny Willis 179 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 4: is doing this is because she has more control because 180 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 4: of what has happened in the state of I know 181 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 4: she wants to. 182 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 3: Be she wants to be in Georgia, there's no doubt. 183 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 3: But the defendant has the right. And if we've got 184 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 3: a lot of criminal attorneys out there listening eight hundred 185 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 3: and two two to two eight A two, I think 186 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 3: the law is pretty clear that this should be a 187 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 3: federal case. Fanny Willis wants it in district court in 188 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 3: the state, but I believe the federal district court. 189 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 2: I think that's going to end up getting this case. Okay. 190 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 4: I mean, also, you brought up January sixth, for example, 191 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 4: how many cases were moved out of DC of January 192 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 4: sixth defendants, to. 193 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 3: Be fair, January sixth arose in Washington, d C. Though 194 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:33,679 Speaker 3: that's fair, But they did anyone really think that that's 195 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 3: a fair jury pool. 196 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 2: For those people? 197 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:35,199 Speaker 7: No? 198 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 3: No, But I mean a big part of deciding where 199 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 3: a case should take place is the Locust. That is 200 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 3: the location of where the event took place. So if 201 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 3: you're charging somebody with storming the capitol that took place 202 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 3: in Washington, d C. 203 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 4: Where defense council will argue that they can't get a 204 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 4: fair trials high. 205 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 3: I get that, But I'm saying the Atlanta case is 206 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 3: not based. I mean, it certainly helps Trump to get 207 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 3: in federal court, I think, but it's not a fair 208 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 3: trial argument. It's that the state of Georgia is not 209 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 3: the actual location where most of Trump's alleged criminal conduct 210 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:16,079 Speaker 3: took place, and therefore diversity jurisdiction because of the federal 211 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 3: court needing to carry it actually does make some sense. 212 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 3: And again lawyers can tell me if you disagree. But 213 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 3: almost nothing that I read that was alleged by Trump 214 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 3: in the lawsuit that was brought, in the charges that 215 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 3: were brought the indictment originated in Georgia itself. Right, he 216 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:37,319 Speaker 3: was calling, for instance, from the White House. It also 217 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 3: directly related to his job as president of the United States, 218 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:46,319 Speaker 3: meaning there is both a federal defense in terms of 219 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 3: what he can argue. Hey, this is the job of 220 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 3: the president, and so there are federal law based defenses 221 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 3: that are particularly at play, but also almost nothing that 222 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 3: Trump is alleged to have done himself personally occurred in 223 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 3: the state of Georgia. 224 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 2: I actually think there is. 225 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:04,839 Speaker 4: I'm gonna mark is down because you're saying there's none 226 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 4: of these trials are going to happen. The federal government's 227 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 4: going to take over the Atlanta trial. There's going to 228 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 4: be a motion about the early posting online. Right, these 229 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 4: are things that you think are likely to happen here. 230 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 3: Yes, I think all of those things will will happen. Now, 231 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 3: a lot of this will be dilatory. 232 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 6: Now. 233 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 4: I think there will be at least two, if not three, 234 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 4: of the trials before the election because the people that 235 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:27,559 Speaker 4: are bringing all of this know that the. 236 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 6: Fix is in. 237 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 4: That's just I don't I don't think that they. I 238 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 4: don't understand what they don't understand about how the timing 239 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 4: of this would work. 240 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 3: The motioning on this again, just South Florida, I think, 241 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 3: didn't they say they had six million pages of discovery 242 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 3: that they were turning over South Florida? 243 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:48,079 Speaker 4: I think make because of the judge, the motions may 244 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 4: be treated fairly. I don't think the judge Chuckkin, for example, 245 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 4: in DC, is going to say, all right, you're right, 246 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 4: we need a delay of a year, or we need 247 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 4: a delay of three months, or I just don't see it. 248 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 4: I don't think the procedures are going to be capable 249 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 4: of getting finished in in a year process. Andy agrees 250 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 4: with you. The dirsh thinks the opposite. So you know, 251 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 4: we'll have to see how it actually ends up shaking 252 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 4: out here, because to me, that just means then Trump 253 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 4: goes in and out of court. The lawyer, he's paying 254 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 4: a lot of lawyer's fees, and their whole scheme is 255 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 4: essentially to just say, well, he's been charged. 256 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 2: Yeah right. 257 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, I kind of think I don't 258 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 3: think they're going to be able to get get him 259 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 3: tried in maybe in New York because that case is 260 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 3: really not very complicated and the punishment is potentially not 261 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 3: very significant. But I will be I would set the 262 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 3: over under at one. I think I would I would 263 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:45,959 Speaker 3: put a zero percent chance at four. And I think 264 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 3: there's a very good chance that the Atlantic case gets 265 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 3: moved to federal court, which the biggest takeaway if it 266 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 3: got moved to federal court is that in the event 267 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 3: Trump won, he could pardon himself. 268 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 2: There now. But there's actually an interesting Leo argument. 269 00:13:58,480 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 4: I was gonna say, do you think he could pardon 270 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 4: himself from state charges if he's president? 271 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 2: Are you on this team? 272 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 6: Now? 273 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 3: I am increasingly of the opinion, and I'll lay out 274 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 3: why that. I do think the president of the United 275 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 3: States could pardon himself from state charges. 276 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 2: You do think so? Yes? I do. 277 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 6: So. 278 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 4: Basically Trump wins, and he wins everything and everything goes away, 279 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 4: and it's like the biggest uh. I mean, it's I 280 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 4: don't even what you could call it, right, like the 281 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 4: most incredible political run that anyone would have ever made 282 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 4: in the modern history of the world. 283 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 2: In some way. 284 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 3: Well, he could still lose, I think the favorite whoever 285 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 3: the Democrat obviously, that's what I say. 286 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 4: Or he loses and he's facing four criminal indictments that 287 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 4: will come crashing down on him without the power of 288 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 4: pardon and a Democrat administration to oversee them. That's where 289 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 4: Trump either wins or he goes to prison. Well, he 290 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 4: said something else, Can we come back to this. He's 291 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 4: made it very clear that if he wins, he's also 292 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 4: appointing a special council. We'll come back to this. This 293 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 4: is going to be wrecked. This is like a retribution. 294 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 3: Election now where we're all of this away on the 295 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 3: big board for predictions. By the way, because we're keeping 296 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 3: track on the big board predictions, as we continue to roll, we'll. 297 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 4: Come back in this in a second eight hundred two 298 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 4: two eight two. 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He's innocent, 325 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 4: and there's that video on truth social that's out there. 326 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 4: But he also has said that if he wins, he's 327 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 4: going to appoint a special counsel to look at the 328 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 4: Biden crime family. Here he is play one. 329 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 7: The Biden crime family received more than twenty million dollars 330 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 7: from foreign countries as well. Crooked Joe was vice president, 331 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 7: and probably a lot more than that. That's just the 332 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 7: money they I believe we have a compromised president. He 333 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 7: was bribed and now he's being blackmailed. He's a Manchurian candidate. 334 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 7: As soon as I am re elected, I will appoint 335 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 7: a real special counsel or maybe you'll call it a 336 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 7: special prosecutor whatever you want to call it. You can 337 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 7: to look at all of these bribes, kickbacks and other crimes, 338 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 7: as well as the shameless attempt at a cover up. 339 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:31,439 Speaker 7: Justice will be done. The Biden crime family will be 340 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 7: looked at. 341 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:37,199 Speaker 4: Biden crime family will be looked at. I think he 342 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 4: means it this time. I think the Hillary locker up 343 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:41,880 Speaker 4: chants have turned into no, seriously, we're going to lock 344 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 4: them up. 345 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 3: Well, this is the natural outgrowth of this buck. Once 346 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 3: one party tries to put the family of one party 347 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 3: in prison, the other party's going to try to do 348 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 3: the same thing. And this is not some unbelievable idea. 349 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,920 Speaker 3: This is basically what's been happening in banana republics all 350 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:01,879 Speaker 3: over the world for much of recorded history. We've just 351 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 3: avoided them because nobody has done what Joe Biden did. 352 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 3: And we'll talk about the consequences and the politics of 353 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 3: it when we come back. 354 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 4: It's a hard thing to imagine that the Biden administration 355 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:16,120 Speaker 4: could make things even worse than they currently are. I mean, 356 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 4: look at prices and just look at the amount of 357 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 4: credit card debt out there. But according to former Wall 358 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 4: Street insider Tika Tiwari, Biden administration may have plans for 359 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 4: a central bank digital currency that could be revealed in 360 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 4: just a matter of months. Look, this is a serious 361 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 4: thing to be aware of and to be prepared for. 362 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 4: Tikachuwari believes the official announcement about a central bank digital 363 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 4: currency could come as soon as this year. That's why 364 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 4: he's released a video to go over this possibility and 365 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 4: to help you prepare. It's one you're gonna want to see. 366 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 4: Go online now, check it out dollar recall dot com. 367 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 4: That's dollar recall dot com. To see this video, among 368 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 4: other items, you'll learn how to opt out of this 369 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 4: digital dollar plan. The website is recall dot Com, paid 370 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 4: for by Palm. 371 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 1: Beach Research Group, Sleeve Travis and Buck Sexton on the 372 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:09,879 Speaker 1: front lines of truth. 373 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 3: Buck, you asked a good question, and that goes to 374 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 3: the essence of much of pardon power in general, as 375 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 3: it pertains to the president. We're flying blind in many 376 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 3: different areas without really a direct precedent to allow us 377 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 3: to know how all of this will inter play. But 378 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:44,640 Speaker 3: there seems to be a consensus that Trump could pardon 379 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 3: himself in the event that he was elected president, and 380 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 3: the case in both Washington, d C. And South Florida 381 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 3: in federal court remains out there outstanding. I haven't seen 382 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,880 Speaker 3: very many people argue against it, even though the president 383 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 3: of the president pardoning himself has not really, to my knowledge, 384 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,959 Speaker 3: occurred in any kind of criminal context. 385 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 2: We found it. 386 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure that Jay Leno in a in a 387 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 4: cameo in the movie Dave made a joke about. 388 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 2: The president and how welcome pardoned himself went to sleep. 389 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 4: Like you know that it was a thing in that 390 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 4: movie that the president pardoning himself was was a punchline. 391 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 4: And now it's a serious constitutional question. We're there. 392 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:31,400 Speaker 3: So it's also not discussed very much. But I our 393 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 3: friend Mark Levin has started to make the argument and 394 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 3: I'm I think I'm coming around on it that if 395 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 3: you can pardon yourself as the president for federal related 396 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 3: criminal charges under the supremacy clause, where federal law would 397 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,919 Speaker 3: trump over state law in the event that there is 398 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 3: a conflict, how in the world is it that you 399 00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 3: could be subject to state law criminal penalty and not 400 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 3: subject to federal law criminal penalty. 401 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 4: Well, you can be tried for both. You can be 402 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 4: tried for the same conduct right in state and federal court. 403 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:17,199 Speaker 3: But if you can pardon yourself federally, it seems to 404 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 3: me that there is an argument that you could pardon 405 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:23,399 Speaker 3: yourself under state charges as well. And of course this 406 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,640 Speaker 3: then leads to what would be sort of an ultimate 407 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 3: constitutional law sort of law exam question, because there isn't 408 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 3: a great precedent, which is, what can the president not 409 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:38,400 Speaker 3: pardon himself? 410 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 4: I mean, I think this is a this would have 411 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 4: to be adjudicated at the Supreme Court. If you had 412 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,640 Speaker 4: a president trying to pardon himself from state from felony 413 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:47,639 Speaker 4: state charges, this would go all the way to the 414 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,640 Speaker 4: top because the answer is there's an argument to be made, 415 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 4: but there's no answer, as in, this has never happened before, right, 416 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 4: So it's not it's not like just read the statute, 417 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 4: he can just read the Constitution. He can pardon himself 418 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,399 Speaker 4: from state law. That may be the finding, but I 419 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 4: think it's it's an open question right now whether it 420 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 4: would be something that would be allowed, because then, I mean, 421 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 4: then the person is truly truly above the law. 422 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 3: Right that way, well, the argument would be the person 423 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 3: is not above the law once they leave the office 424 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 3: of president. Potentially right, because this then gets into the 425 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:26,679 Speaker 3: challenge Bill Clinton tried to argue the president shouldn't be 426 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 3: suspect a subject to civil lawsuits. 427 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 2: This is the PAULA. 428 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 3: Jones case, and the Supreme Court I believe, ruled like 429 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 3: eight to one against him. Scalia, interestingly, was in descent 430 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,640 Speaker 3: if I'm remembering that correctly, that the crew can look 431 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,479 Speaker 3: it up. And Scalia said, well, this would lead to 432 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,959 Speaker 3: and it's certainly been the case the president being sued 433 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 3: in all sorts of civil individual not related to his 434 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 3: official role, but in something else. And anyway is it 435 00:22:56,200 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 3: is a complex issue that anyone who tells you, I 436 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 3: think it's one hundred percent certainty one way or the other. 437 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 3: Even the president being able to pardon himself federally from 438 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 3: a criminal charge has never occurred. 439 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 4: But then also the president could just pardon anybody from 440 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:18,680 Speaker 4: state charges any time he wants, potentially. See, that's where 441 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 4: I think it falls. That's there's just no way the 442 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 4: president just be like, yeah, you know you did this. 443 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 4: You you you committed five murders in this in the 444 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,439 Speaker 4: in the state of Oregon. Just making those Oregon courts 445 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 4: you don't count. I'm making those if the pardon power 446 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 4: extends for the president personally, it would extend to every 447 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 4: other person in the entire country subject to state law. Well, 448 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 4: it exists for federal already, right, but we all know that, right, 449 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 4: that's always been that. 450 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:45,160 Speaker 3: That's what we don't even know necessarily that for the president, 451 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 3: because the president has never pardoned himself for a criminal offense. 452 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 3: But you're saying this opens the door clearly if this 453 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 3: is true, and I don't think I don't think you 454 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 3: disagree with this, right, I mean, this is if the 455 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,880 Speaker 3: president can pardon himself from state charges, any president toward 456 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 3: the end of his term could arden somebody from all 457 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 3: state charges and all federal charges as they see fit 458 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 3: without problem. That iant That means that just basically means 459 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,640 Speaker 3: the pardon power is even more expansive than I think 460 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 3: anybody in constitutional jurisprudence had anticipated until this moment, because 461 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 3: nobody had to think about whether or not this was 462 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 3: actually a reality that we have. And look, the court 463 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 3: could also say there is a difference between the president 464 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 3: pardoning himself from state charges and the president pardoning someone 465 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 3: else from state charges. Again, they would have to somehow 466 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 3: reconcile the law is whatever nine people sitting on the 467 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 3: Supreme Court say the law is really whatever five people 468 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 3: say right to get a majority. And so this is 469 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,439 Speaker 3: and all this ties in, by the way, with the 470 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 3: Atlanta charges, because I think there is an argument, and 471 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 3: I think it's a strong one. I would put it 472 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 3: at more likely than not sixty forty seventy thirty that 473 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 3: that ultimately the state charges in Georgia against Trump are 474 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 3: going to end up in a federal court. Now if that, 475 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 3: if that happens, If that happens, then is he but 476 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 3: he's convicted because there is the court house there he 477 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,400 Speaker 3: would face though it's presided over in the federal court. 478 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:20,919 Speaker 3: But does he get convicted of the state charges? You 479 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 3: would have to the federal court would have to. And 480 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,160 Speaker 3: this is me going again, this is me going into 481 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 3: my civil procedure knowledge. So one of you out there 482 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 3: who's way smarter than me about this, I believe that 483 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 3: they would apply a Georgia statute in the federal. 484 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 2: Court, so it would be state charges in a federal court. 485 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 4: But I think this has before when they want to 486 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 4: when they want a different jury pool, that's one way 487 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,680 Speaker 4: to do it. I think actually the uh the off 488 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 4: met Arbury I'm ed arbery case. I think they moved 489 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 4: it from state to federal court and that so that 490 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 4: that happened there. Now that's also murder charges, gun charges. 491 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,680 Speaker 4: There are some of these charges that they violate a 492 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 4: whole bunch of state laws and they also violate federal 493 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 4: law simultaneously, so that can get and like I said, 494 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 4: we dealt with this. You know, if you carry a 495 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 4: grenade onto a subway in New York City and you're 496 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 4: doing this on behalf of you know, foreign terror sentity, 497 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 4: you're guilty of a whole bunch of federal crimes. You're 498 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 4: guilty of a whole bunch of state crimes. And they 499 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,679 Speaker 4: they end up trying to Usually they go to federal 500 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 4: because the resources, the longer sentences, mandatory minimums, that usually 501 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 4: gets passed along, right, But even with drug cases. I 502 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 4: worked with a guy who used to do who is 503 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 4: a senior kunt An Arctic and narcotics guy at the NYPD. 504 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 4: He said they would have something called like Federal Tuesday 505 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 4: where these guys where basically the Feds would come in 506 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,399 Speaker 4: and be like, yeah, we're just gonna take these drug 507 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 4: cases because we have the bandwidth, and you really didn't 508 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:46,880 Speaker 4: want to be somebody whose case got picked up by 509 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 4: federal Tuesday, even though it had previously been a state charge. 510 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,679 Speaker 4: I know in New York they've tried to do this already, right, 511 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,359 Speaker 4: the Trump legal team has tried to move it to 512 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 4: federal court. 513 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 2: Hasn't worked. 514 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's a little different, right, because that's a 515 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,880 Speaker 4: state charge that they're putting it. There's like a federal 516 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 4: tie in to make it a state felony. It's that's 517 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,679 Speaker 4: this is a bookkeeping charge. The stuff in Atlanta, to 518 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 4: your point, is much more involved in clear federal conduct. 519 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 2: But even if they move that, I do, does that 520 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 2: we get some federal prosecutors? 521 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 3: Sell would love to David in West Palm Beach, I 522 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 3: think wanted to weigh in. He's an attorney too. What's 523 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 3: your take on where this case will end up in 524 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:30,200 Speaker 3: Atlanta being heard? 525 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 6: Sure? And clan Bucket's a pleasure. I My strong belief 526 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 6: is this is an issue of preemption, which just so 527 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 6: so a layperson can understand, really separates the state and 528 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:54,400 Speaker 6: the federal institutions. There's a separation, but they're but they're 529 00:27:54,440 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 6: also connected. But you can have the state uh matter 530 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 6: heard in a federal court you cannot have a federal 531 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 6: matter heard in the state court. So effectively, it only 532 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:12,440 Speaker 6: goes one way, and the supremacy close of Article six, 533 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 6: Section two of the Constitution says that the I believe 534 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 6: that this is an issue of preemption because the locus 535 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 6: of the put the alleged crime did not occur where 536 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 6: they're having the state proceeding. You know where they're. 537 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 4: Having the arguing that because the locus of the crime, 538 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 4: the stuff they were talking about in the indictment, the 539 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 4: ninety eight page indictment, was in the state of Georgia. 540 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 2: Most not all, of Trump was physically located. 541 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 3: Remember Buck, what they had to do, and we'll come 542 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 3: back to him in a second, But remember they had 543 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,959 Speaker 3: to move all of a sudden the mar A Lago case. Uh, 544 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 3: they were initially trying to do it in DC, and 545 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 3: then they got concerned they had jurisdiction, so they went 546 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 3: to South Florida. In the in the case with Georgia, Uh, 547 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 3: Trump's actual crimes almost all of them. 548 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 2: Occurred in Washington, d C. 549 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 4: That's why too conspiracy, because they're going to say that 550 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 4: he's like a mob boss in New York who's ordering 551 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 4: a hit in Montreal, right, or that's actually even more 552 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 4: because that's foreign country. 553 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 2: But you get what I'm saying. 554 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 4: It's uh so, so you're you're telling us come back, 555 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 4: where where's our lawyer? 556 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 2: Friend? Here? Are you still with us? 557 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 6: I'm right here? 558 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 2: So, so what happens if they do move it. 559 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 4: Let's say, let's say that clay theory that and by 560 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 4: that clearly they're going to try, Like I have no 561 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 4: doubt they're gonna try. 562 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 2: I just I don't know if this judge is going 563 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 2: to go. 564 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 4: For it, because then they'll lose some control over this 565 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 4: if they move it. Would would the defendants still face 566 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 4: state crimes, but in a federal court, and you know 567 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 4: with federal proceipt is that right? 568 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 6: Correct? Correct? But you also have a problem of enforcement. 569 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 6: Let's oppose the state court or the state uh you know, 570 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 6: finds them the you know, uh get the conviction, prosecution 571 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 6: gets the conviction. Then you have an enforcement issue. You 572 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 6: have you have the crime. The crimes occurred based on 573 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 6: him being an executive in the executive branch as the 574 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 6: head of the executive it didn't happen. You know, you're 575 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 6: not talking with with papers where it's physical. You know, 576 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 6: here you have there they're arguing all of the matter 577 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 6: stems from his role as an executive trying to override 578 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 6: what happened during the election. So how can the state 579 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 6: try to enforce something that occurred in DC where they 580 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 6: can simply put it into the federal system. Have the 581 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 6: federal system use state law, which is done pretty often, 582 00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 6: and then if he's found guilty, then then I believe 583 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 6: it's reverted back into the state system. But you can't. 584 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 6: The executive needs to be heard by something that that 585 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 6: that is regulated and something that is connected to the 586 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 6: federal branch. 587 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 4: David, I've got to I'm curious, do you think though, 588 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 4: when they did this? I mean, state and federal prosecute 589 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 4: the courthouses are generally right next to each other. They 590 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 4: are in downtown Manhattan, they are, and I think they're 591 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 4: in Atlanta as well. They schemed this, I mean, let's 592 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 4: be honest, so that it would be in state court, 593 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 4: so that Trump wouldn't have the federal pardon power in 594 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 4: their minds, right, I mean that was their calculation? 595 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 2: Or do you not? Do you not sign on to that? 596 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 6: There is no doubt about it. There is no way 597 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 6: that they listen. They know this. I mean you're you know, 598 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 6: they they they poured ninety one different charges onto Trump. 599 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 6: They know that The problem they have is if they 600 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 6: if they do some you know, get a conviction, uh 601 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 6: for for paper mismanagement. And by the way, I think, uh, 602 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 6: you know, Trump may try to get you know, most 603 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 6: people collect like stamps and stuff from different states. I think, 604 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,479 Speaker 6: you know, maybeld Trump should go for every state to 605 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 6: get an indictment. I think that would be you know, 606 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 6: a unique collect. 607 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 4: Do you think he can pardon himself from if it 608 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 4: is a Georgia state charge? Do you do you bind 609 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 4: to that analysis too? You think he could pardon himself 610 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 4: federal land state if he. 611 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 6: Wins such that is such a difficult weird. I think 612 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 6: he can, but only if they don't move it to federal, 613 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 6: you know, to to uh uh to federal. 614 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 2: I mean if David, thank you, thank you for the call. 615 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 3: By the way, Buck, you are asking and everybody out 616 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 3: there who was listening, and thanks to David who called in. 617 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:59,959 Speaker 3: You're talking about advanced constitutional law theory. This is for 618 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 3: for instance, I did my thesis on advanced constitutional law 619 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 3: theory at Vanderbilt. This is unprecedented and no one knows 620 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 3: the answer to it, and you're also hearing how insanely 621 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 3: complicated it is. 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That's th E R A d dot. 640 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:18,800 Speaker 1: Com Clayanfuck twenty four to seven subscribe today. 641 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,800 Speaker 4: We are getting down into it here with the legal 642 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 4: analysis of things that no one had even really thought 643 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,239 Speaker 4: about it. I mean, one thing I keep saying from 644 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 4: everyone I know. Clay, who spends a lot of time 645 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 4: from lawyers, have a few friends who are former federal 646 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,880 Speaker 4: prosecutors as well who are now in private practice, and 647 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 4: they're all saying, well. 648 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 2: You got to remember there's no precedents. 649 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, so you're looking at stuff where people are saying, well, 650 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:51,799 Speaker 4: this is the case or that is the case. The 651 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:56,680 Speaker 4: answer is we'll see because this has not been established 652 00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 4: by previous record. You haven't had to deal with this before. 653 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,439 Speaker 4: A lot of you weighing in on VIP emails calls 654 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 4: also eight hundred two way two two eight A two 655 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 4: Blake Clay. He's making a point here. One of our 656 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,920 Speaker 4: VIPs in the mailbag go to clayanbuck dot com to 657 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 4: become a VIP. He says, they're not exclusive of each other. 658 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,280 Speaker 4: You can be tried with both without it being double jeopardy. 659 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,440 Speaker 4: The most common application of this is the film with 660 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:22,239 Speaker 4: a firearm statute. We'd frequently convict in both federal and 661 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:26,799 Speaker 4: state court for the same offense. Also common is when, 662 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 4: for example, the Feds lose a bank robbery trial, we 663 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 4: would have re indicted in state court as an armed robber. 664 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:34,719 Speaker 4: This is from a former prosecutor. That's what I was 665 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 4: saying about New York. Same thing with Tara. Mean, this 666 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,279 Speaker 4: was there were a couple of cases that I was 667 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 4: working on on the investigative side where it was both 668 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,920 Speaker 4: state and federal, and then there's this well where does 669 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 4: it you know? And it basically always ends up in 670 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,640 Speaker 4: federal court. The Feds come in and they say, we'll 671 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:51,360 Speaker 4: handle this one. This guy's going to go away for 672 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 4: a very long time in this case. I mean, I 673 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,319 Speaker 4: think it just comes down to, well, it will come 674 00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 4: down to the judge on the case has to say yeah, right, 675 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,440 Speaker 4: I mean that's I don't think there's a process. Actually, 676 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,280 Speaker 4: I don't know can a federal Is there some process 677 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,040 Speaker 4: where the federal judge can say we're actually going to 678 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 4: take that case even if the judge presiding over the 679 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 4: state case doesn't want to. 680 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:16,680 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying like this, who. 681 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:20,680 Speaker 3: Has ultimate decision making power? Is basically the question we're 682 00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 3: asking across the board and Buck, this is the fever 683 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,840 Speaker 3: dream of constitutional law professors. 684 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:29,360 Speaker 2: This is them. 685 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:34,760 Speaker 3: Sitting around in their faculty lounge just throwing out different 686 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:39,360 Speaker 3: crazy hypotheticals that no one would think would ever arise, 687 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,319 Speaker 3: and suddenly here we are, and in real time it's 688 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:47,120 Speaker 3: trying to be applied. I do want to mention seventy 689 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:53,120 Speaker 3: thirty is the Fulton County vote tally, roughly Biden against Trump. 690 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,040 Speaker 3: So it's important to keep in mind, even if this 691 00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,919 Speaker 3: case stayed in state court, there would be Trump voter 692 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,359 Speaker 3: this jury, and it only takes one Trump voter to 693 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 3: just say I'm not going to allow a conviction. 694 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:07,680 Speaker 2: It's a hung jury. 695 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,200 Speaker 3: In the event this ever gets there, it would be 696 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 3: virtually impossible statistically to have no Trump voters on this 697 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 3: Atlanta jury. 698 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,680 Speaker 2: And I think that's a big part here. Let's talk 699 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,399 Speaker 2: about snow White the next hour. 700 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:26,920 Speaker 1: Slave Travis and Buck Sexton on the front lines of truth.