Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are
Speaker 1: you a Charlotte Mollie Mollie Rogers is here you guys? Yay.
Speaker 1: I have been dying to have Molly on since we
Speaker 1: began this podcast. Mollie is the most special person that
Speaker 1: you guys will meet, Okay, and she's been with us
Speaker 1: since the very very beginning. I mean, not the pilot.
Speaker 1: Scratch that the almost very beginning.
Speaker 2: Right, the pilot someone else who went on to do
Speaker 2: the Sopranos.
Speaker 1: No way, I didn't realize she went on to do
Speaker 1: the Sopranos.
Speaker 3: They were on the same floor with us, right, second floor, silver.
Speaker 1: Cup, right right, right, that's interesting. Well she did such
Speaker 1: a fantastic job on the Sopranos, and tell her opposite
Speaker 1: from the right, Well, that was meant to be then,
Speaker 1: that was meant to be for her, and she was lovely.
Speaker 1: She was lovely. It just wasn't exactly the right fit. Now,
Speaker 1: let's discuss. That's a good jumping off point to discuss.
Speaker 1: First of all, how did you come to be working
Speaker 1: with the illustrious Pat Field at the time? Tell us
Speaker 1: the background.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's a kind of I can do it in
Speaker 2: a short way. Also, because I've told the story so
Speaker 2: many times and Pat herself loves to.
Speaker 3: Watch me and listen to me tell it.
Speaker 2: I was living in London after I graduated from Carolina,
Speaker 2: and I didn't know what I wanted to do. And
Speaker 2: then I decided I needed to get out of England
Speaker 2: because I wasn't really legal.
Speaker 3: I can find York.
Speaker 2: On Friday the thirteenth, nineteen eighty four, wow, and walked
Speaker 2: into Pat's store, famous store on Meat Street, and she
Speaker 2: was in there with a stylist, a French stylist named
Speaker 2: Mary Paul, and they were choosing rubber bracelets eighty four.
Speaker 1: Wow for Madonna, Oh my god, which of course we
Speaker 1: all know Madonna's rubber blet bracelets exactly.
Speaker 2: And I walked up to Pat and I was wearing
Speaker 2: a paper dress.
Speaker 3: Oh my boy, George dreadlocks. Wow. I asked her for a.
Speaker 2: Job, and that old we began our trek in styling
Speaker 2: and being friends and working in her store led to
Speaker 2: you know, that was huge. Eighty four was big TV videos. Sure,
Speaker 2: so we styled and that led to commercials and that
Speaker 2: led to TV. You know, and just have known her
Speaker 2: and been a friend of hers forever.
Speaker 1: And did you work on the film that she did
Speaker 1: with Sir Jessica in Miami.
Speaker 3: No, I was.
Speaker 2: Down here at the same time doing a television show
Speaker 2: called Moon Over Miami, So I didn't get to work
Speaker 2: on that. And I was so jealous because I remember
Speaker 2: the day that they were shooting something on the beach
Speaker 2: with Naom Campbell.
Speaker 3: Oh. I was like, that's working with super model.
Speaker 1: I love it. So then, how how did you hear
Speaker 1: about the pilot? The show, not the pilot, I guess
Speaker 1: because I don't even think that we asked Pat to
Speaker 1: do the pilot. No, right, right?
Speaker 2: I remember, uh, Pat throwing some script at me and saying,
Speaker 2: read this, I think it's really interesting.
Speaker 3: No, I think did Candice have a book out?
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely the book Sex and the City.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think.
Speaker 2: I think if that was at that time, I feel
Speaker 2: like Pat had read the paperback and was like, this
Speaker 2: is gonna be outrageous.
Speaker 1: Wow, smart Pat.
Speaker 3: And the first time we met, well, Pat went and talked.
Speaker 2: Pat took a Dominatrix book that I had to her
Speaker 2: meeting with Darren Haa. I love show him pictures of
Speaker 2: serious high heel and things.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: And it was very s and m I was like,
Speaker 2: you're gonna scare him off.
Speaker 1: But you didn't know Darren yet, right, So you didn't
Speaker 1: really know Darren. Darren, I don't think he's that scarable.
Speaker 1: But I mean, I also think that is such a
Speaker 1: good indication of kind of the interesting kind of mismatch
Speaker 1: of television and Pat, which actually really benefited the show obviously.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, It's just so interesting because and when I often
Speaker 2: think about the influences in those early years where you know,
Speaker 2: we just had no money and we were working on Saturdays,
Speaker 2: and it was so crazy. I realized how much we
Speaker 2: drew from being out all the time we went out.
Speaker 2: We were downtown people, right, and we saw those characters
Speaker 2: and we were always big, high heeled, you know.
Speaker 3: It just it was a natural inspiration from just being social.
Speaker 1: Amazing, amazing. That's so interesting now, So to take me
Speaker 1: back to coming to New York with Pat to do
Speaker 1: the beginning of the series, when we got picked up
Speaker 1: for the first season.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know, I know you'll understand this, but
Speaker 2: the first time we met Sarah Jessica was at Pat's apartment,
Speaker 2: which was above the store on Eighth Street. It had
Speaker 2: rubber floors that after parties she would like kind of
Speaker 2: hose and that was sticky liquor or whatever.
Speaker 1: I'm sure don't want to know more.
Speaker 3: Let's show SJ just a few little ideas.
Speaker 2: So we had won Rebecca and Pat and I Rebecca
Speaker 2: was Pat's girlfriend at the time, as you remember, Yes,
Speaker 2: I went to Aina, who had a consignment store in sohoh, yeah,
Speaker 2: and pulled a few things, which we.
Speaker 3: Still do for you. We still go there, all of
Speaker 3: it so much.
Speaker 2: And we showed Sarah Jessica the fur coat.
Speaker 4: Oh you had it right then, Yeah, the clutch purse
Speaker 4: which I believe she paired on the show with the
Speaker 4: fur coat, and some little mules uh huh that were plastic.
Speaker 4: And I remember, uh, you know, I always I've kept
Speaker 4: a diary all my life, and I remember writing in
Speaker 4: my diary that Pat and Sarah Jessica were so excited
Speaker 4: because they were going to not wear pantyhose.
Speaker 1: Aha. That was a major major point.
Speaker 3: I don't think people understand that.
Speaker 1: No, I don't think people remember that. Number One, you
Speaker 1: always had to wear them previous, like like for me
Speaker 1: in melrose Land and just Los Angeles in general, like
Speaker 1: that was a normal thing. And obviously in South Carolina
Speaker 1: where I grew up. I mean, of course you wore pantyhose, right,
Speaker 1: which is what we called them back then. And then
Speaker 1: I remember Pat just like no, and she's being like,
Speaker 1: oh my god. And in the beginning when I'm rewatching,
Speaker 1: obviously I hadn't remembered a lot of this, but I've
Speaker 1: got hoson a couple times, and I'm like, Pat must
Speaker 1: have been so mad at me.
Speaker 3: So funny.
Speaker 2: I'm glad that you understand where that's coming from, because
Speaker 2: it was kind of like not a requirement, but women
Speaker 2: just wore it. And yeah, Pat, and so we just
Speaker 2: we're talking about bear legs, bare legs, yep.
Speaker 1: Even Oh, I know, I remember those days. I remember
Speaker 1: those cold days, which actually this episode that we're watching,
Speaker 1: which we don't have to talk about right now, but
Speaker 1: it's one of those episodes where when you remember when
Speaker 1: we would come back to work in February and it
Speaker 1: would be like so cold, but we had to pretend
Speaker 1: it was spring because that was when the show would
Speaker 1: come on. And so we're in the Bare Legs and
Speaker 1: we've got the either the fur episode episode that Pat
Speaker 1: would try to get all of us in first, and
Speaker 1: then the Light Code episode and then like the Lighter
Speaker 1: Code episode, so you're watching it all unfold, and you
Speaker 1: know how we cross board, right, So like when I
Speaker 1: watched one oh five, there are leaves on the trees
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, oh, thank god, it's finally spring. Then
Speaker 1: one o six there's no leaves on the trees, and
Speaker 1: we look like we are freezing, like freezing, like I
Speaker 1: feel like my teeth are chattering. Like one scene which
Speaker 1: I very much remember, but it was always just a
Speaker 1: tight rope walk and I remember pat like no nothing
Speaker 1: on your legs and you.
Speaker 2: Just be like, no nothing, because it I remember something
Speaker 2: I remember when I watch those episodes as well. I
Speaker 2: see scenes on Madison Avenue or somewhere, and it just
Speaker 2: looks like such a bitter spring day, yes at seven
Speaker 2: am or something.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, But also I feel like, you know, do
Speaker 1: you remember the like was there? Did you all know
Speaker 1: the extent to which you were changing how costume was
Speaker 1: done on television? I mean we were on HBO, so
Speaker 1: that was a little different, But did you know the
Speaker 1: extent to which you were you know, paving new roads?
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I love telling that story. It's
Speaker 2: a good example of what you're asking. I loved telling
Speaker 2: there were little clues. I loved telling that story of
Speaker 2: when an HBO executive came into the wardrobe room to
Speaker 2: do a little rack review by themselves, Uh huh, looked
Speaker 2: at these genes that were from Japan for Carrie and
Speaker 2: she was like, no one is gonna understand these in Kansas.
Speaker 3: Kicked her out.
Speaker 1: Excellent, excellent. I mean also, like, were we making television
Speaker 1: for Kansas and I didn't know it like that. I
Speaker 1: don't know that we were trying to do that. But
Speaker 1: then also, who would have they ever expected us to
Speaker 1: have such wide success. We certainly did not expect that
Speaker 1: in the beginning.
Speaker 2: True, And it wasn't until I want to say, the
Speaker 2: third season that people started warming to us in the
Speaker 2: fashion industry, because when you went into a showroom and
Speaker 2: said we're working on a show called Sex in the City,
Speaker 2: they were like, what is it?
Speaker 3: Porno? I know they didn't know.
Speaker 2: Right once he started watching it, you know, things started
Speaker 2: coming in right.
Speaker 1: But for two whole seasons we didn't have that so much, right.
Speaker 1: So that's also interesting when I look back, because my
Speaker 1: clothes are just really just weird. Okay, the first season,
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking what on earth? Which I know some
Speaker 1: of it was that, you know, I didn't really understand
Speaker 1: Pat right, and I was confused how I was going
Speaker 1: to fit into Pat's vision. And I think Pat maybe
Speaker 1: was figuring out her vision for Charlotte and it took
Speaker 1: some time. But also you know that picture, it's one
Speaker 1: of my favorite pictures of us. It's from first season,
Speaker 1: which I didn't realize. We're on the street, I thought.
Speaker 1: I think Craig Blankethorn, our amazing stephatographer, took it. We're
Speaker 1: on the street. It's the middle of the night. We're
Speaker 1: on like sixth Avenue, and I've got a leather coat on.
Speaker 1: I think we've got like wool coats and turtlenecks, and
Speaker 1: we're looking off in the distance. All four of us
Speaker 1: look like we're in our own clothes in a way.
Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting. Oh my gosh, it's really interesting.
Speaker 2: I want to see that picture. Let's to blooming Dell's
Speaker 2: because of our budget and Century twenty one amazing. I
Speaker 2: want to ask you something I've always wondered. If you
Speaker 2: remembered when all of you had your dressing rooms on
Speaker 2: the stage.
Speaker 1: Yes, of course I remember that you remember that, okay,
Speaker 1: I always wondered if. Of course, that was for many
Speaker 1: many years, many many years at Silver Cup. What I
Speaker 1: also remember is when we were out in the city,
Speaker 1: we were in I feel I could be wrong, but
Speaker 1: I feel like we were in a triple banger, meaning Kim,
Speaker 1: myself and Cynthia were in little sections. It was either
Speaker 1: triple or double. And the reason I remember this is
Speaker 1: because all of our clothes didn't fit because there's no
Speaker 1: real proper closet and a double banger. So you know
Speaker 1: how in the morning you would bring in all of
Speaker 1: the outfits for the day and all the undergarments and everything,
Speaker 1: which was many pieces, and they would be hanging on
Speaker 1: my microwave and stuff. So you had this tiny little
Speaker 1: sofa and you'd be under your clothes that were hanging
Speaker 1: above you, like trying to, you know, peek out or whatever.
Speaker 1: And they also had our names on the door. And
Speaker 1: the reason that I remember that is because at one
Speaker 1: point I was sitting there, you know, waiting as it is,
Speaker 1: and some guy comes banging on my door and I
Speaker 1: open the door. I think it's an ad or whatever.
Speaker 1: It's just a person who wanted to know someone on
Speaker 1: the crew was someone on the crew there and I
Speaker 1: was like, I don't know what you're talking about, and
Speaker 1: he was all mad at me, and I was like, dude,
Speaker 1: this before we had security. Obviously, we had nothing. We
Speaker 1: were just hanging out there with our names on the door,
Speaker 1: you know, under our clothes.
Speaker 3: What is on your door now?
Speaker 1: I think our initials. Yeah, I think it's something slightly mysterious,
Speaker 1: but we have our security, so it doesn't really matter.
Speaker 3: Right, that's a little safe, I know.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's funny to think of kind of the
Speaker 1: naivete and the kind of innocence, you know, that we
Speaker 1: had back then At different times.
Speaker 3: We were really under the radar.
Speaker 2: Look at the crowds that watch you all now. It's
Speaker 2: really something. It's so special to have come along and
Speaker 2: grown up with it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, it's crazy to think about. That's part
Speaker 1: of the reason I wanted to do the podcast is
Speaker 1: that the journey has been incredible, and you know, we
Speaker 1: share it with the fans, right because that they're part.
Speaker 1: They're part of the journey, and I wanted to bring
Speaker 1: it all together and let them hear our experience of
Speaker 1: it because it's so much fun to think back for
Speaker 1: so long we've been together.
Speaker 2: I feel like a lot in my I don't know,
Speaker 2: maybe I'm I'm not sure sure, but I feel like
Speaker 2: a lot of it is untold history. Like I saw
Speaker 2: your clip on Instagram. You and Cynthia were talking about auditioning. Yep, bitch,
Speaker 2: I found fascinating.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you've shared those stories from that
Speaker 3: early with people.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, I mean, what's funny for us too,
Speaker 1: because obviously every person I've had Michael Patrick and I've
Speaker 1: had sin On. Now I'm having you on, which is great.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have a Sarah On. Everyone has told me
Speaker 1: things that I haven't known, which you know, We've spent
Speaker 1: a lot of time together and I still don't know everything.
Speaker 1: So it's kind of fun and funny, you know. So
Speaker 1: back to you. Let's get back to you. So you've
Speaker 1: come to New York. You've walked into Pat store. How
Speaker 1: incredibly smart of you. Number one? Number two? Now you
Speaker 1: Pat said like, look at the script or look at
Speaker 1: this book or whatever it is. And you're on the
Speaker 1: show and no one knows the show. You guys are
Speaker 1: asking to borrow clothes. People are like, what is it?
Speaker 1: You're going to Bloomingdale's. You're going to Century twenty one,
Speaker 1: which I remember. You guys kind of lived at Century
Speaker 1: twenty one.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, people I worked there, I was there,
Speaker 2: so they would ask me where are the belts?
Speaker 1: And I'm sure you knew where every single belt was?
Speaker 3: I did.
Speaker 2: I could have gone through that store blindfolded. I told Pat,
Speaker 2: I've spent more time in Century twenty one that I
Speaker 2: did in my entire life anywhere.
Speaker 1: I bet, I bet, and thankfully so, because, oh my god,
Speaker 1: how could you have ever done what you guys did
Speaker 1: without having Century twenty one.
Speaker 2: People do not realize what a treasure trove it was.
Speaker 2: You know that little Vivian Westwood mini that had the
Speaker 2: little white fluffle bottom behind.
Speaker 1: Yes, some century incredible, incredible, How could it not be there?
Speaker 3: We loved going, we do.
Speaker 1: I know we did, and we in our minds we
Speaker 1: still do. Let me ask you this. So I remember
Speaker 1: just myself going to New York, you know, somewhat wide eyed,
Speaker 1: thinking wow, I don't know how to dress like this.
Speaker 1: And you know, these women that this is kind of
Speaker 1: based on are so incredibly fashionable, and they're in the
Speaker 1: magazines as the best dressed, and you know, thank goodness,
Speaker 1: sir Jessica knows about this, right and think good Sir
Speaker 1: Jessica had her relationships with designers that she had already
Speaker 1: been you know, engaged in before the show, and I
Speaker 1: remember just thinking, gosh, I've got to do what she does. So,
Speaker 1: you know, like if someone eventually would invite us somewhere,
Speaker 1: I would go and I would try to make relationships,
Speaker 1: especially with the people that fit me right, which wasn't
Speaker 1: everyone I mean now right, So like Michael Core's you know,
Speaker 1: the Ralph Lauren Oscar de Laurento, which took years, and
Speaker 1: I was always scared, like I don't want to be
Speaker 1: on Sergiska's turf, but you know, maybe could I possibly
Speaker 1: wear an Oscar? And I finally got to. But you know,
Speaker 1: those things for me were very much just following her lead,
Speaker 1: you know, in terms of how do you make a relationship.
Speaker 1: Remember how we were so good about returning things, Like
Speaker 1: we never asked, you know, not to return.
Speaker 3: We were terrified to keep something.
Speaker 1: Too long, right, we were terrified.
Speaker 3: I mean that evolved into we were such hoarders.
Speaker 2: In the end six it would I dare you to
Speaker 2: come and pry this.
Speaker 3: From our.
Speaker 1: And do you remember? This just came to my mind.
Speaker 1: Do you remember that time there was something? I mean,
Speaker 1: this is back when we really felt like we had
Speaker 1: to be like on the forefront. We had to get
Speaker 1: things like right off the runway, mostly for Sarah. I
Speaker 1: don't know if that was so true for Charlotte. But
Speaker 1: remember there was something that came off was at McQueen.
Speaker 1: I think something that came off the runway and you
Speaker 1: had sent an assistant to the show in London or
Speaker 1: Paris wherever it was, and they had to stand there
Speaker 1: waiting for it and fly back with it. Do you
Speaker 1: remember this? I do, I do, insane.
Speaker 3: I don't remember what garment it was.
Speaker 1: I feel like it was a butterfly looking kind of
Speaker 1: you know, calf tanny thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was from one of the movies where I
Speaker 2: accident sent something returned something to a Vogue shoot that
Speaker 2: was happening in Tuloom. And then I looked on the
Speaker 2: one liner and saw, oh my god, she's got to
Speaker 2: come out of the bathroom in that dress tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: And Melfie said, stick a pa on a plane.
Speaker 3: It's very cheap.
Speaker 2: Go down to Tulum and steal that dress back because
Speaker 2: I don't want to change the schedule. So we sent
Speaker 2: them one and that little pa thought it was the
Speaker 2: most glamorous thing she had ever done in her life.
Speaker 3: And she called me from the airport and said, I
Speaker 3: have the dress, may I? Because it was turn around,
Speaker 3: you know, like you went came back.
Speaker 2: It was a rounding round, and she said, can I
Speaker 2: please order of Margarita?
Speaker 1: I hope you said yes.
Speaker 3: I said, please do, but stay in the airport.
Speaker 1: That's adorable. Okay, So let's go back in time, back
Speaker 1: in time. What do you remember because when I'm so,
Speaker 1: I'm rewatching, right, and as I'm rewatching, I'm just seeing
Speaker 1: touches of what's coming fashion wise starting to enter the picture.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: So, like Sarah in the episode before this one, she
Speaker 1: goes she she is going out with that French guy
Speaker 1: and he leaves her a thousand dollars after they've spent
Speaker 1: the night together. Do you remember this?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, And she's got some good dresses and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: Pat and Molly are doing their magic, right, Like she
Speaker 1: has this beautiful silver dress and she's walking down Madison
Speaker 1: Avenue and she's talking about how she feels like she's
Speaker 1: floating and she she lifts up off the sidewalk. Do
Speaker 1: you remember this? No, literally, no one remembers this. I
Speaker 1: texted her. She doesn't remember it either. I don't know
Speaker 1: how we did it or why we did it exactly,
Speaker 1: but it's a great dress. And Cynthia remembered something that
Speaker 1: maybe you had to double that dress. Remember how it
Speaker 1: was always a bit of a drama for us to
Speaker 1: have to double something, which is very normal in film
Speaker 1: and TV. They didn't have to double her triple something,
Speaker 1: but for us because we had, you know, hopefully one
Speaker 1: of a kind from vintage or one of a kind
Speaker 1: fashion around. Like remember my product skirt. Pat told me
Speaker 1: that I couldn't wear it to meet Trey because we
Speaker 1: had to get five of them because I had to
Speaker 1: fall in the street. And I was like, we will
Speaker 1: wear it, we will wear it. She had to call,
Speaker 1: you know, all of Europe to find enough product skirt,
Speaker 1: lipstick skirts, you know, for me to wear it, and
Speaker 1: she did. God bless her.
Speaker 3: That is so relatable to like the no pantyhose.
Speaker 2: Like in television, you were supposed to be able, no
Speaker 2: problem stunts. You could triple, quadruple something, and that was
Speaker 2: the first kind of department. I think that came along
Speaker 2: and said, I'm sorry, Charlotte's in a vintage thing and
Speaker 2: you're gonna have to take do it once.
Speaker 1: Right, like right.
Speaker 3: This was unheard of.
Speaker 1: It was unheard of, and sometimes people were very unhappy
Speaker 1: with us because of it. But we felt like it
Speaker 1: was very very important and I think we were right
Speaker 1: and you know right, And many people have asked me
Speaker 1: this over the years, and I kind of feel embarrassed
Speaker 1: that I'm going to ask you now, but I will
Speaker 1: go for it. People have said that the fashion was
Speaker 1: its own character. Do you feel that that's true?
Speaker 2: You know, I always heard that coming along, there's a
Speaker 2: fourth character the clothing, and then it started becoming there's
Speaker 2: a fourth character the city, right, But I have to
Speaker 2: agree on both of those. Yeah, you know, there was
Speaker 2: a lot to dive into with the clothes. There was
Speaker 2: a lot to dive into with each of you, and
Speaker 2: there was a lot to experience in that setting, that location.
Speaker 1: It's true, and that was I think part of the
Speaker 1: magic was that we were trying to be of the moment.
Speaker 1: We weren't trying to be all things for everyone at
Speaker 1: all times. Like the Kansas comment, from the HBO executive
Speaker 1: but we were trying to be specifically there, you know,
Speaker 1: and open to the influence of being there on the streets,
Speaker 1: which was so magical.
Speaker 2: We did not ever shoot in a restaurant in Brooklyn, Okay,
Speaker 2: we were strictly of the moment Manhattan. They will I
Speaker 2: remember those locations. I was just like, Wow, this is
Speaker 2: so current. Most people haven't even gotten a table here yet.
Speaker 2: You know, it was a badge of honor to be
Speaker 2: shooting there.
Speaker 1: Definitely.
Speaker 2: Darren is someone who gave our department so much information,
Speaker 2: and I think that that helped set up the DNA
Speaker 2: of the clothing because he was like, Charlotte works, Charlotte
Speaker 2: doesn't work. Charlotte's addresses this, and that is just a
Speaker 2: lot of information that oftentimes you don't you don't get
Speaker 2: to go that deep.
Speaker 1: That's true, That's so true. I mean this particular episode
Speaker 1: that I'm on now see her Charlotte in the gallery
Speaker 1: and I feel like it's the first time, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: thank god, we're in the gallery. Because in the beginning,
Speaker 1: that was a big, big part of Charlotte. Like almost
Speaker 1: every storyline is at least tangentially related to her. Art,
Speaker 1: like you know very much that I pose for this
Speaker 1: dude who paints the kind of Georgia O'Keefe type paintings.
Speaker 2: I was going to bring that up, and I was
Speaker 2: going to bring up you dressing like a man.
Speaker 1: Oh I can't wait. I'm not there yet. But isn't
Speaker 1: that great? Isn't that so great that we did that?
Speaker 1: Back then?
Speaker 3: I remember people stressing out about that.
Speaker 1: Do you do you have? I did? I had a mustache.
Speaker 1: Judy Chin did it. And Judy who was doing makeup
Speaker 1: for Sir Jessica and I. She would flip back and forth.
Speaker 1: Do you remember she and Nikki and she had just
Speaker 1: done Freda. She had done salamahayak and Frieda and she
Speaker 1: knew how to make like fake eyebrows, so she did
Speaker 1: bigger eyebrows on me and the mustache so that it
Speaker 1: looked really real and wasn't like you know if you
Speaker 1: go to you know, costume the house and write a
Speaker 1: paste on. Yeah. It was very special and also like
Speaker 1: Charlotte was. So I did a lot of crazy stuff.
Speaker 2: Oh boy, did you But what the Georgia O'Keefe that
Speaker 2: are you naked?
Speaker 1: They don't show it, thank god. In heaven. Okay, but
Speaker 1: theoretically yes. And then and then I tell the girls
Speaker 1: that I did it right, and then they come to
Speaker 1: the gallery show and they're trying to guess which one
Speaker 1: I am how modifying? Okay, oh my gosh. But you
Speaker 1: know what, this is what I think when I watched
Speaker 1: I think so many things when I watch our young selves,
Speaker 1: but one thing I think is like we were all
Speaker 1: very game.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: I mean I remember being very nervous, right and concerned
Speaker 1: about like, what is this show and how are we
Speaker 1: telling these stories? And you know, is it from you know,
Speaker 1: the female perspective? Like I felt like it was very
Speaker 1: important that it be from our perspective and not for
Speaker 1: the male game or something you know, for men, but
Speaker 1: something that would you know, be ringing true for women
Speaker 1: watching or empowering women who were watching or something like that.
Speaker 1: And I feel like we came there, but in the
Speaker 1: beginning it wasn't clear, right, But I think in a
Speaker 1: lot of ways that was also your guys's influence. You
Speaker 1: know that Pat's already showing darren S and m you know,
Speaker 1: domination stuff because she's had such a strong point of view,
Speaker 1: and you guys were so incredibly integrated into the creative process.
Speaker 2: And that is another thing about Darren so collaborative and
Speaker 2: Michael Patrick Keane. Lots of information to departments at least ours, right,
Speaker 2: and very open to hearing an alternative idea.
Speaker 1: Right lot. That's important.
Speaker 2: You work with are like no, I want this, which
Speaker 2: is fine, it's your show, but shows God were like
Speaker 2: open for me.
Speaker 1: But I felt like we were just creating something that
Speaker 1: we felt like didn't exist, and I guess it did.
Speaker 1: I mean, it still doesn't. Right except for us, there's
Speaker 1: really nothing to compare it to, which is also so
Speaker 1: strange to me.
Speaker 2: You know, it's really I mean, talk about the planets
Speaker 2: aligning and being in the right place at the right time.
Speaker 3: I mean, that was incredible.
Speaker 2: I don't even know how Darren hooked up with you know, Canda,
Speaker 2: I don't know any of that.
Speaker 1: I don't know either. I think they just went out
Speaker 1: in New York.
Speaker 2: You know, you had a relationship with Darren longer than
Speaker 2: any you know, I did.
Speaker 1: But I didn't really know. You know, I was already sober, right,
Speaker 1: so I wasn't going out, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And Darren. I feel like Darren has said that he
Speaker 1: just knew Candice from going out, and he thought that
Speaker 1: she was smart and interesting and funny, and I think
Speaker 1: he read her column and you know, they were They
Speaker 1: were in that kind of very cool upper echelon of
Speaker 1: New York. Not upper echelon like a lot a lot
Speaker 1: of money, but more like super cool version of that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but this is okay, many specifics I want to ask
Speaker 1: you about because I don't even know the answer to this,
Speaker 1: but okay, So what I remember meeting Sarah Jessica and
Speaker 1: her saying something about her Manolo's that she had collected already.
Speaker 1: And this is in nineteen ninety seven, right pilot time,
Speaker 1: and I was just so impressed. I was like, what
Speaker 1: you have? Like wow? Many? And they were all like
Speaker 1: so carefully, you know, in their dust bags in the boxes,
Speaker 1: like you know, beautifully beautifully stored. How did you remember
Speaker 1: the shoe trajectory of Carrie at least or the rest
Speaker 1: of us.
Speaker 2: I will tell you what I remember and then SJ
Speaker 2: can correct me. I've romanticized it, but I remember Pat
Speaker 2: and SJ feeling like that label was kind of under
Speaker 2: the radar, so it was a good one to pluck,
Speaker 2: you know, and really go.
Speaker 1: For I think that's true.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was it. I mean I feel like it was.
Speaker 2: I don't think people downtown knew what a Manola.
Speaker 1: Was, right, I don't think I did.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 2: It's yeah, yeah, George, the guy who was Manola's partner,
Speaker 2: I guess yep.
Speaker 3: He was really also a.
Speaker 2: Real collaborator and open for business and open for anything. Right,
Speaker 2: So that was a good company to, you know, get
Speaker 2: involved with.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Do you remember, I don't know if you will,
Speaker 1: but in the beginning, I'm wearing some low tint kind
Speaker 1: of heels, like very average, and I remember I am
Speaker 1: it took it took you guys a while to get
Speaker 1: me into high shoes. And I remember I had this
Speaker 1: pair of Manola pumps, black pumps that probably I don't
Speaker 1: think they were one hundred and five millimeter. I think
Speaker 1: they were probably like whatever eighties seven or something, and
Speaker 1: to me, they were really high and I had to
Speaker 1: really practice walking in them and whatnot. And there's an
Speaker 1: episode coming up. I had one pair, one pair, and
Speaker 1: we just rewore them a lot, and I had that episode.
Speaker 1: It hasn't happened yet, but when I'm with the Widow
Speaker 1: in the Graveyard and it was pouring rain, bitter cold, okay,
Speaker 1: bitter cold, and I'm wearing some kind of an almost
Speaker 1: vintage type dress. It might not have been vintage, I'm
Speaker 1: not sure. I think it was, was it? And I
Speaker 1: want to have a shawl on? But then I wasn't
Speaker 1: supposed to have a shawl on. I'm very cold, so
Speaker 1: I'm just desperate for anything to keep me warm, and
Speaker 1: I have to run up this hillside, this muddy hillside,
Speaker 1: and I basically ruined my Manolo's and I was so
Speaker 1: stressed about it. And they had to go to the
Speaker 1: shop and get like redone because they were just soaked
Speaker 1: through with mud from this graveyard, you know. And then
Speaker 1: at some you guys did a story with a Vogue
Speaker 1: I want to say about the fashion, which at that
Speaker 1: point we were desperate for any coverage for the show
Speaker 1: of fashion or anything in general. Do you remember we
Speaker 1: never said no to press in the beginning.
Speaker 4: Okay, you don't remember this, no.
Speaker 1: No, So Pat gives them my Minola's for some reason,
Speaker 1: and my little butterfly ruby necklace that I love so much.
Speaker 1: Do you remember my butterfly ruby necklace? Yes, Vintage loved
Speaker 1: that thing. She gave that to them. And it never
Speaker 1: came back, and one of my Manola's never came back.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: I know. I was like, pat Field, don't give my
Speaker 1: stuff away.
Speaker 3: That's amazing that you only got one pair. That's really
Speaker 3: a sad story.
Speaker 2: And now the worst part of it, we beg you
Speaker 2: to bring shoes from.
Speaker 1: La to I know, I was just unpacking my box.
Speaker 1: I was just in packing my box. But it's okay, Mollie,
Speaker 1: It's okay. I don't mind because it gives more money
Speaker 1: for you to buy new things.
Speaker 3: Right. I was like, we still don't buy your shoes,
Speaker 3: you still bring.
Speaker 1: Them from No, no, No, It's all good because at
Speaker 1: this point I think I have every color Manolo pump
Speaker 1: that exists. I feel like I do. You don't need
Speaker 1: to keep buying them.
Speaker 3: Did you have a favorite early, you know, season one through?
Speaker 3: Did you have a favorite outfit?
Speaker 1: I mean in the beginning, right as I'm watching, I
Speaker 1: am really amazed at how completely normal my clothes are
Speaker 1: in first season, like so normal that it's shocking. Like
Speaker 1: I'm wearing these little suits and they're so funny and
Speaker 1: like young looking. I feel like, you know, not very structured.
Speaker 1: I remember, and you tell me if you remember this.
Speaker 1: I don't know who made it, but I had a
Speaker 1: black long dress that I wear. It hasn't happened yet.
Speaker 1: It's cut and pat Lent me her own Gucci shoes
Speaker 1: that had the heel made of metal.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you remember this? Yeah, and they've come back. But
Speaker 1: they are literally the most painful thing in the world.
Speaker 1: But I was gonna wear those things because that point
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm gonna do it. I'm going to
Speaker 1: try to live up to this vision that they have
Speaker 1: for the fashion and myself and everybody else. And yes,
Speaker 1: it's painful, but who cares, you know, Like people still
Speaker 1: talk to me like, you know, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: want to wear the heels but I don't know, And
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I mean get ready, cause you will
Speaker 1: lose feeling in your feet at some point.
Speaker 3: Right right, There is numbness involved.
Speaker 1: There is numbness involved. I mean for me, at all times,
Speaker 1: my right foot is still numb. But you know what
Speaker 1: it's worth it, you guys, It was worth It was
Speaker 1: worth it. It was worth it.
Speaker 2: I can watch an old older episode, a past episode
Speaker 2: and always watch Cynthia Nixon doing a walk and talk
Speaker 2: and I know if her feet are hurt.
Speaker 1: It's true. It's true. I agree, And I could also
Speaker 1: tell with myself now every once in a while, like
Speaker 1: I had to do looping the other day and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh man, I should have taken those soakkates off.
Speaker 1: Why am I trying to wear the soakkate?
Speaker 3: Oh? Ouch?
Speaker 2: I know, okay, this is common knowledge. But when we
Speaker 2: recently shot on Fifth Avenue outside the jewelry store, yeah,
Speaker 2: I had that blue on. It's the blue Tarry Muglare
Speaker 2: Halter dress that you and Trey. Yeah, ifanian is one
Speaker 2: of my favorites. And when you recently are in blue
Speaker 2: again with Carrie, so I was like, wow, what a
Speaker 2: great side by side.
Speaker 1: And I have both those dresses.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: We tried to do kind of a modern breakfast at Tiffany's,
Speaker 1: like not too done because it was the middle of
Speaker 1: the day. But also do you remember, and I mean
Speaker 1: we're you know, I could talk to mom all about
Speaker 1: you know, twenty million things, you guys, but do you
Speaker 1: remember when we used to shoot with with people on
Speaker 1: the street, Like Charles McDougall directed that breakfast Attivany's the
Speaker 1: first time with Kyle, and he would send us down
Speaker 1: the street. You remember him?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Oh, I definitely remember him.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Can I tell you, guys, there's a director on
Speaker 1: this current episode that I'm rewatching that I have no
Speaker 1: memory of. What how could this be? His name is
Speaker 1: Michael Fielder? Fielder?
Speaker 2: Is that the guy that came to set one time
Speaker 2: in a stretcher because he had back and he directed
Speaker 2: from a stretcher?
Speaker 3: Do you remember that?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 2: Yeah, on the stage in a stretcher had back problems.
Speaker 3: We'll have to look it up.
Speaker 1: Michael Fields. I'm so sorry, Michael Fields. If you're out there,
Speaker 1: I don't remember you. And I don't know how it's possible,
Speaker 1: but this is a long time ago, but it was
Speaker 1: like random. When I look down at the episode, I
Speaker 1: thought to myself, I can't remember this person.
Speaker 3: No memory of him. What would Charles dougle with?
Speaker 1: Charles McDougall was very ambitious and usually what would happen
Speaker 1: is we would go over budget and Melfie would start
Speaker 1: to look very stressed, and Michael Hill from HBO would
Speaker 1: come and sit on the set and glare at us,
Speaker 1: you know, like you guys are over, you guys are over.
Speaker 1: And Charles McDougall did not care Okay, he was just
Speaker 1: doing his artistry, and his artistry involved many interesting things.
Speaker 1: And for the breakfast at Tiffany's, it involved having a
Speaker 1: long lens camera blocks away from us, blocks and blocks
Speaker 1: where Kyle and I couldn't even see the camera. And
Speaker 1: then they'd give us a general like try to walk
Speaker 1: by this scene in the sidewalk, and you know, we
Speaker 1: were just walking and ad living talking, right, and with
Speaker 1: regular people, Okay, regular New Yorkers walking down the street,
Speaker 1: walking down Fifth Avenue, not knowing. I mean maybe we
Speaker 1: had to get a release from them after the fact.
Speaker 1: I have no idea how that worked, right, But they're
Speaker 1: just doing their business and we're just trying to walk
Speaker 1: and hoping that we are on camera and having no idea.
Speaker 1: That's how amazingly ambitious he was. And it was so
Speaker 1: much fun. And then by the time we would get closer,
Speaker 1: we would be closer on camera, and then we would
Speaker 1: probably cut and do that shot where you can see
Speaker 1: us framed in the window. And then also my other
Speaker 1: really really great Charles McDougall, was in burgdor flipping the
Speaker 1: china over. You know, Kyle and I are flipping the
Speaker 1: china over, and I think Bunny comes, but we had
Speaker 1: I think we flipped the china like thirty six kind
Speaker 1: of times.
Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, that would send you over budget. They wouldn't
Speaker 2: let you do that now, right, Oh.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Maybe they'd let Michael.
Speaker 3: They wouldn't let They might not. You wouldn't do it,
Speaker 3: I would What are you saying?
Speaker 1: What are you saying? I never say no, I.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't think you would cut them off at like twelve
Speaker 2: or something.
Speaker 1: I never have cut them off and ever ever, ever,
Speaker 1: because you know why, you always feel like you can
Speaker 1: do it more better. You know you can do a
Speaker 1: better take. I mean it depends, it depends what's happening
Speaker 1: that day. But I can't imagine saying like no, I
Speaker 1: won't do another take.
Speaker 3: I can't.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, there's sometimes like, for instance, my very
Speaker 1: very lengthy birthday party, which we won't go into any
Speaker 1: more detail other than to say that I have a
Speaker 1: birthday coming. Charlotte has a birthday coming. I should say
Speaker 1: on the show it is an epic birthday party, Okay, epic.
Speaker 1: And there were times where we would say to our
Speaker 1: lovely director, I knew who we loved so much. We'd
Speaker 1: be like, we think we got it, Like we just
Speaker 1: gently be like, we think we got that one, because
Speaker 1: they were just seen after seen, take after take, so
Speaker 1: many characters, so many characters.
Speaker 2: You guys were trapped now about but let me ask
Speaker 2: you something and tell me if this is really none
Speaker 2: of my business, oh baby, asking you over and over
Speaker 2: again in a bedroom scene.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean that's a different situation, for sure, for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I do remember definitely stressy, stressy times way back
Speaker 1: about about We had so many different directors, right, and
Speaker 1: so many different points of view about what it was
Speaker 1: we were supposed to be doing, and definitely I had
Speaker 1: some stress. And as you remember, we were often filming
Speaker 1: in the middle of the ever loved night right with
Speaker 1: like no one around to help you. We didn't have
Speaker 1: intimacyque coordinators back then, and if Michael Patrick wasn't there,
Speaker 1: you kind of had no or Darren for that matter,
Speaker 1: And often Darren might have gone back to La or
Speaker 1: he might have been writing, or everyone might have gone
Speaker 1: home because it was two am. It was two yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: so you might just be by yourself. And I do remember,
Speaker 1: and we haven't gotten there yet, but there is a
Speaker 1: scene where I ended up feeling so uncomfortable that I
Speaker 1: went and locked myself in my dressing room and called
Speaker 1: my manager back in LA to get some advice on
Speaker 1: what to do, because I just didn't feel like the
Speaker 1: man director had the right idea for this particular sex scene.
Speaker 1: You know, I just remember there being a fair amount
Speaker 1: of anxiety about it all. Like do you remember that
Speaker 1: time where I have to try I'm trying to get
Speaker 1: Kyle's character to have sex with me. You know, we
Speaker 1: have this like troubled sex life in our marriage. Do
Speaker 1: you remember? And I had to wear that sheer nightgown
Speaker 1: and basically, you know, appeal to him to see me
Speaker 1: as a sexual being. God help me out. It makes
Speaker 1: me nervous just thinking about it. Okay, do you remember
Speaker 1: the stress about that? Yeah? I mean I'm trying to
Speaker 1: kind of emotionally and seductively appeal to him both, right,
Speaker 1: So it's kind of a difficult scene and that you
Speaker 1: have to be emotionally available as well as seductive, you know,
Speaker 1: not like fake seductive, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: I remember really stressing about whether I should wear underwear
Speaker 1: under that because I think Pat wanted me not to.
Speaker 1: I know, it's so embarrassing to think about, right, I know,
Speaker 1: but I think that was another call to my manager Dave, Like, Dave,
Speaker 1: Pat wants me not to wear any underwear and you
Speaker 1: can see right through this thing, and I don't know
Speaker 1: what to do. And he was like, you gotta wear
Speaker 1: some underwear. And I'm like, I do, right, I think
Speaker 1: I should wear some underwear. Right.
Speaker 2: I'm remembering now why she right? Because you in real
Speaker 2: life would not have.
Speaker 1: It's true, It's true. She wasn't wrong. She wasn't wrong. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she wasn't wrong, But I mean you were trying to
Speaker 1: find the balance between like can I live with this
Speaker 1: and you know, screenshots of this following me around or whatever? Right,
Speaker 1: But do you remember the time to when Pat wanted
Speaker 1: to direct. Oh yeah, she'd be like, you know, I
Speaker 1: would just take an ice cube and run it down
Speaker 1: your leg. She'd like some crazy ideas.
Speaker 2: Yes she really, And I'll tell you that carried on through.
Speaker 2: Pat wanted to direct an ugly Betty episode. Wow, she
Speaker 2: wanted to you know, that visual mind of hers wanted
Speaker 2: to get out of the square box of the clothes.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, did I mean the clothes for us at least?
Speaker 1: You know, really permeated everything, almost to the point in
Speaker 1: the films where you know, we had to try to
Speaker 1: get rid of the conversations about the clothes almost like
Speaker 1: it took center stage so so so much. And I
Speaker 1: feel like what people thought happened was that brands had
Speaker 1: come in and like imposed themselves on us, which was not,
Speaker 1: in fact the case. I didn't feel did you feel
Speaker 1: that way?
Speaker 2: I have never ever, you know, felt like that's an
Speaker 2: inappropriate thing. Even though it's free, it doesn't suit the
Speaker 2: character and we're going to put it there now right.
Speaker 1: No, it was us wanting these things and having to
Speaker 1: find a way to get them because we couldn't afford
Speaker 1: them on our budget because at a certain point our
Speaker 1: budget would have exceeded all budgets ever made if we'd
Speaker 1: paid for everything, like it was crazy.
Speaker 3: And bags are frightening.
Speaker 2: The prices on handbags are like beyond I know this
Speaker 2: is not popular, but the Abu Dhabi movie, yeah, the
Speaker 2: costume department, those are our famous costumes ever.
Speaker 3: I know he loved everything.
Speaker 2: That you guys wore, that strapless blue thing that I
Speaker 2: was sweating bullets to do this pin I was so
Speaker 2: afraid to pick and that on you.
Speaker 1: You mean the the the like are talking. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: We have seen it five in the morning.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when we're so cold that we're we've turned blue. Yes,
Speaker 1: I remember that. It was beautiful.
Speaker 2: Those things that those little things that stress you out.
Speaker 2: I had to call for the supervisor to come and
Speaker 2: help me. I wanted it to be in the right place.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the thing. You guys, with your attention
Speaker 1: to detail, you are unmatched.
Speaker 3: Unmatched there as well.
Speaker 1: Well thank you, but I mean, like if you think
Speaker 1: about you know, you and Pat and now you and
Speaker 1: Danny obviously on Ninjesla like that, and all of our
Speaker 1: dressers that we've ever had, and all of the supervisors
Speaker 1: and the attention to you know, how things are made
Speaker 1: and how things are put together and how a bow
Speaker 1: is tied. You guys don't even want to be around
Speaker 1: when a bow needs to be tied, okay, I mean
Speaker 1: the stress.
Speaker 3: Careful, that's dangerous.
Speaker 1: I know, I know. I won't go into any more detail,
Speaker 1: but there's many people who have strong feelings on how
Speaker 1: a bow must be tied, okay, And you don't even
Speaker 1: want to get involved, right, You're just like, yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: do whatever, you know you guys do whatever. But I
Speaker 1: think like when some people are they say things like,
Speaker 1: you know, I think maybe when people come to work
Speaker 1: on our show after having seen it, they're kind of
Speaker 1: amazed what all goes into just a scene or a
Speaker 1: walk and talk or whatever, because you when you're watching it,
Speaker 1: hopefully you're not thinking about that, right, but then we
Speaker 1: know like the levels and levels of levels of attention
Speaker 1: to detail that it takes to make it good.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, you of all people, know what it's
Speaker 2: like to come for your fitting and you always block
Speaker 2: out an entire day of you lon, And what.
Speaker 3: Is it like on other when you go to.
Speaker 1: Us sad Molly, when you go to if you've been
Speaker 1: with us, right, and then you get a job, you know,
Speaker 1: when we're off, you're just like, oh god. I mean
Speaker 1: for me, I'm like, can I go home and get
Speaker 1: my clothes? I mean, because we're just spoiled rotten, okay.
Speaker 1: But the other thing that I think about when I
Speaker 1: think back, like we used to work, you know, as
Speaker 1: you know, almost all night as the week went on
Speaker 1: right till sun rose on Saturday morning, but also sometimes
Speaker 1: because there was no time for a fitting because all
Speaker 1: of us were working so much more. We didn't have
Speaker 1: as many days to do an episode, So even if
Speaker 1: it would seem like maybe one of us wasn't in
Speaker 1: that episode as much, we were probably in the other
Speaker 1: episode being filmed, right. And sometimes we had mobile units. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so the only time to do a fitting was when
Speaker 1: you wrapped at night. And I remember going to a
Speaker 1: fitting at like two am. Oh, this is insane.
Speaker 3: Can you believe that?
Speaker 1: No, but we did.
Speaker 3: It seems unfathomable to me.
Speaker 2: I remember that time that somebody, I think it was
Speaker 2: the supervisor Mark made up T shirts because we had
Speaker 2: four units going a ac Indeed, that would be illegal,
Speaker 2: now do.
Speaker 1: You think it would be? I mean, it was the
Speaker 1: only way we did finish right, and we but that
Speaker 1: was when we were in Silver Cup and they had
Speaker 1: all those stages, so we had sopranos. Must have wrapped right,
Speaker 1: So we were just by ourselves and we would just
Speaker 1: run from stage to stage to stage, and we'd be like,
Speaker 1: what do we have to do now? Oh? Yeah, we
Speaker 1: got to do a phone call, our half of a
Speaker 1: phone call. So we'd run over to B unit and
Speaker 1: do that, and then we'd run over to C unit
Speaker 1: and do like an insert of our hand picking up
Speaker 1: a glass or whatever. It was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: the insanity. But you know, we were young, we had
Speaker 1: the energy, right.
Speaker 3: We were in it to win it. It was exciting.
Speaker 1: We were we were in it to win it, and
Speaker 1: it was exciting and we loved it so much, as
Speaker 1: we still do.
Speaker 2: It's still exciting and it's still coming back too.
Speaker 3: And just like that, it was like back to summer camp.
Speaker 1: I know, right, Yeah, it still is so much fun
Speaker 1: and so amazing that we even get to still play
Speaker 1: in the sandbox.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, absolutely so grateful, Molly.
Speaker 1: I could talk to you forever, as you know. So
Speaker 1: will you come back and do another episode? Can we
Speaker 1: make this into two?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay, good