1 00:00:01,639 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: you a Charlotte Mollie Mollie Rogers is here you guys? Yay. 3 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: I have been dying to have Molly on since we 4 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 1: began this podcast. Mollie is the most special person that 5 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:22,319 Speaker 1: you guys will meet, Okay, and she's been with us 6 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 1: since the very very beginning. I mean, not the pilot. 7 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: Scratch that the almost very beginning. 8 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 2: Right, the pilot someone else who went on to do 9 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 2: the Sopranos. 10 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: No way, I didn't realize she went on to do 11 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: the Sopranos. 12 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 3: They were on the same floor with us, right, second floor, silver. 13 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: Cup, right right, right, that's interesting. Well she did such 14 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: a fantastic job on the Sopranos, and tell her opposite 15 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: from the right, Well, that was meant to be then, 16 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: that was meant to be for her, and she was lovely. 17 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: She was lovely. It just wasn't exactly the right fit. Now, 18 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:04,960 Speaker 1: let's discuss. That's a good jumping off point to discuss. 19 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: First of all, how did you come to be working 20 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: with the illustrious Pat Field at the time? Tell us 21 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 1: the background. 22 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 2: Okay, it's a kind of I can do it in 23 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 2: a short way. Also, because I've told the story so 24 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 2: many times and Pat herself loves to. 25 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:26,680 Speaker 3: Watch me and listen to me tell it. 26 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:32,960 Speaker 2: I was living in London after I graduated from Carolina, 27 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 2: and I didn't know what I wanted to do. And 28 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 2: then I decided I needed to get out of England 29 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 2: because I wasn't really legal. 30 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 3: I can find York. 31 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 2: On Friday the thirteenth, nineteen eighty four, wow, and walked 32 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 2: into Pat's store, famous store on Meat Street, and she 33 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:55,279 Speaker 2: was in there with a stylist, a French stylist named 34 00:01:55,280 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 2: Mary Paul, and they were choosing rubber bracelets eighty four. 35 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: Wow for Madonna, Oh my god, which of course we 36 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 1: all know Madonna's rubber blet bracelets exactly. 37 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 2: And I walked up to Pat and I was wearing 38 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 2: a paper dress. 39 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 3: Oh my boy, George dreadlocks. Wow. I asked her for a. 40 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 2: Job, and that old we began our trek in styling 41 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 2: and being friends and working in her store led to 42 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:33,359 Speaker 2: you know, that was huge. Eighty four was big TV videos. Sure, 43 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:36,679 Speaker 2: so we styled and that led to commercials and that 44 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 2: led to TV. You know, and just have known her 45 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:42,119 Speaker 2: and been a friend of hers forever. 46 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: And did you work on the film that she did 47 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: with Sir Jessica in Miami. 48 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 3: No, I was. 49 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 2: Down here at the same time doing a television show 50 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 2: called Moon Over Miami, So I didn't get to work 51 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 2: on that. And I was so jealous because I remember 52 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 2: the day that they were shooting something on the beach 53 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 2: with Naom Campbell. 54 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 3: Oh. I was like, that's working with super model. 55 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:09,959 Speaker 1: I love it. So then, how how did you hear 56 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: about the pilot? The show, not the pilot, I guess 57 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 1: because I don't even think that we asked Pat to 58 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 1: do the pilot. No, right, right? 59 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:25,919 Speaker 2: I remember, uh, Pat throwing some script at me and saying, 60 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 2: read this, I think it's really interesting. 61 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 3: No, I think did Candice have a book out? 62 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely the book Sex and the City. 63 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think. 64 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 2: I think if that was at that time, I feel 65 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 2: like Pat had read the paperback and was like, this 66 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 2: is gonna be outrageous. 67 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: Wow, smart Pat. 68 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 3: And the first time we met, well, Pat went and talked. 69 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 2: Pat took a Dominatrix book that I had to her 70 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 2: meeting with Darren Haa. I love show him pictures of 71 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 2: serious high heel and things. 72 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: Wow. 73 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 2: And it was very s and m I was like, 74 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 2: you're gonna scare him off. 75 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: But you didn't know Darren yet, right, So you didn't 76 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: really know Darren. Darren, I don't think he's that scarable. 77 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: But I mean, I also think that is such a 78 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 1: good indication of kind of the interesting kind of mismatch 79 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: of television and Pat, which actually really benefited the show obviously. 80 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 2: Absolutely, It's just so interesting because and when I often 81 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 2: think about the influences in those early years where you know, 82 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 2: we just had no money and we were working on Saturdays, 83 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 2: and it was so crazy. I realized how much we 84 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 2: drew from being out all the time we went out. 85 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 2: We were downtown people, right, and we saw those characters 86 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 2: and we were always big, high heeled, you know. 87 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 3: It just it was a natural inspiration from just being social. 88 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,359 Speaker 1: Amazing, amazing. That's so interesting now, So to take me 89 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 1: back to coming to New York with Pat to do 90 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: the beginning of the series, when we got picked up 91 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: for the first season. 92 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 2: Well, I don't know, I know you'll understand this, but 93 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 2: the first time we met Sarah Jessica was at Pat's apartment, 94 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 2: which was above the store on Eighth Street. It had 95 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 2: rubber floors that after parties she would like kind of 96 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 2: hose and that was sticky liquor or whatever. 97 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:37,359 Speaker 1: I'm sure don't want to know more. 98 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 3: Let's show SJ just a few little ideas. 99 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 2: So we had won Rebecca and Pat and I Rebecca 100 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 2: was Pat's girlfriend at the time, as you remember, Yes, 101 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 2: I went to Aina, who had a consignment store in sohoh, yeah, 102 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 2: and pulled a few things, which we. 103 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 3: Still do for you. We still go there, all of 104 00:05:57,480 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 3: it so much. 105 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 2: And we showed Sarah Jessica the fur coat. 106 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 4: Oh you had it right then, Yeah, the clutch purse 107 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 4: which I believe she paired on the show with the 108 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 4: fur coat, and some little mules uh huh that were plastic. 109 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 4: And I remember, uh, you know, I always I've kept 110 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:26,599 Speaker 4: a diary all my life, and I remember writing in 111 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 4: my diary that Pat and Sarah Jessica were so excited 112 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 4: because they were going to not wear pantyhose. 113 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 1: Aha. That was a major major point. 114 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 3: I don't think people understand that. 115 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: No, I don't think people remember that. Number One, you 116 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: always had to wear them previous, like like for me 117 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 1: in melrose Land and just Los Angeles in general, like 118 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: that was a normal thing. And obviously in South Carolina 119 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 1: where I grew up. I mean, of course you wore pantyhose, right, 120 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 1: which is what we called them back then. And then 121 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: I remember Pat just like no, and she's being like, 122 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: oh my god. And in the beginning when I'm rewatching, 123 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: obviously I hadn't remembered a lot of this, but I've 124 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: got hoson a couple times, and I'm like, Pat must 125 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: have been so mad at me. 126 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 3: So funny. 127 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 2: I'm glad that you understand where that's coming from, because 128 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 2: it was kind of like not a requirement, but women 129 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 2: just wore it. And yeah, Pat, and so we just 130 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 2: we're talking about bear legs, bare legs, yep. 131 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: Even Oh, I know, I remember those days. I remember 132 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: those cold days, which actually this episode that we're watching, 133 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: which we don't have to talk about right now, but 134 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: it's one of those episodes where when you remember when 135 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: we would come back to work in February and it 136 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 1: would be like so cold, but we had to pretend 137 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: it was spring because that was when the show would 138 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: come on. And so we're in the Bare Legs and 139 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: we've got the either the fur episode episode that Pat 140 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: would try to get all of us in first, and 141 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: then the Light Code episode and then like the Lighter 142 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: Code episode, so you're watching it all unfold, and you 143 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: know how we cross board, right, So like when I 144 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: watched one oh five, there are leaves on the trees 145 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, oh, thank god, it's finally spring. Then 146 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: one o six there's no leaves on the trees, and 147 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: we look like we are freezing, like freezing, like I 148 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: feel like my teeth are chattering. Like one scene which 149 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: I very much remember, but it was always just a 150 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: tight rope walk and I remember pat like no nothing 151 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 1: on your legs and you. 152 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 2: Just be like, no nothing, because it I remember something 153 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 2: I remember when I watch those episodes as well. I 154 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 2: see scenes on Madison Avenue or somewhere, and it just 155 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 2: looks like such a bitter spring day, yes at seven 156 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 2: am or something. 157 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, But also I feel like, you know, do 158 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: you remember the like was there? Did you all know 159 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:59,719 Speaker 1: the extent to which you were changing how costume was 160 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: done on television? I mean we were on HBO, so 161 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 1: that was a little different, But did you know the 162 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: extent to which you were you know, paving new roads? 163 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I love telling that story. It's 164 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 2: a good example of what you're asking. I loved telling 165 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 2: there were little clues. I loved telling that story of 166 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 2: when an HBO executive came into the wardrobe room to 167 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 2: do a little rack review by themselves, Uh huh, looked 168 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 2: at these genes that were from Japan for Carrie and 169 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 2: she was like, no one is gonna understand these in Kansas. 170 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 3: Kicked her out. 171 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:45,199 Speaker 1: Excellent, excellent. I mean also, like, were we making television 172 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 1: for Kansas and I didn't know it like that. I 173 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: don't know that we were trying to do that. But 174 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 1: then also, who would have they ever expected us to 175 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: have such wide success. We certainly did not expect that 176 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 1: in the beginning. 177 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 2: True, And it wasn't until I want to say, the 178 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 2: third season that people started warming to us in the 179 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 2: fashion industry, because when you went into a showroom and 180 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 2: said we're working on a show called Sex in the City, 181 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 2: they were like, what is it? 182 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 3: Porno? I know they didn't know. 183 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:22,319 Speaker 2: Right once he started watching it, you know, things started 184 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:23,319 Speaker 2: coming in right. 185 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 1: But for two whole seasons we didn't have that so much, right. 186 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 1: So that's also interesting when I look back, because my 187 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: clothes are just really just weird. Okay, the first season, 188 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: I'm just thinking what on earth? Which I know some 189 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 1: of it was that, you know, I didn't really understand 190 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: Pat right, and I was confused how I was going 191 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: to fit into Pat's vision. And I think Pat maybe 192 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: was figuring out her vision for Charlotte and it took 193 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: some time. But also you know that picture, it's one 194 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:56,439 Speaker 1: of my favorite pictures of us. It's from first season, 195 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: which I didn't realize. We're on the street, I thought. 196 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 1: I think Craig Blankethorn, our amazing stephatographer, took it. We're 197 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: on the street. It's the middle of the night. We're 198 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 1: on like sixth Avenue, and I've got a leather coat on. 199 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: I think we've got like wool coats and turtlenecks, and 200 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: we're looking off in the distance. All four of us 201 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: look like we're in our own clothes in a way. 202 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting. Oh my gosh, it's really interesting. 203 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 2: I want to see that picture. Let's to blooming Dell's 204 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 2: because of our budget and Century twenty one amazing. I 205 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 2: want to ask you something I've always wondered. If you 206 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:38,319 Speaker 2: remembered when all of you had your dressing rooms on 207 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 2: the stage. 208 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: Yes, of course I remember that you remember that, okay, 209 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: I always wondered if. Of course, that was for many 210 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: many years, many many years at Silver Cup. What I 211 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: also remember is when we were out in the city, 212 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 1: we were in I feel I could be wrong, but 213 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: I feel like we were in a triple banger, meaning Kim, 214 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 1: myself and Cynthia were in little sections. It was either 215 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 1: triple or double. And the reason I remember this is 216 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: because all of our clothes didn't fit because there's no 217 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,679 Speaker 1: real proper closet and a double banger. So you know 218 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: how in the morning you would bring in all of 219 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: the outfits for the day and all the undergarments and everything, 220 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: which was many pieces, and they would be hanging on 221 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: my microwave and stuff. So you had this tiny little 222 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:23,839 Speaker 1: sofa and you'd be under your clothes that were hanging 223 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: above you, like trying to, you know, peek out or whatever. 224 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 1: And they also had our names on the door. And 225 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:32,559 Speaker 1: the reason that I remember that is because at one 226 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,199 Speaker 1: point I was sitting there, you know, waiting as it is, 227 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: and some guy comes banging on my door and I 228 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: open the door. I think it's an ad or whatever. 229 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 1: It's just a person who wanted to know someone on 230 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: the crew was someone on the crew there and I 231 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 1: was like, I don't know what you're talking about, and 232 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 1: he was all mad at me, and I was like, dude, 233 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 1: this before we had security. Obviously, we had nothing. We 234 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,559 Speaker 1: were just hanging out there with our names on the door, 235 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:57,079 Speaker 1: you know, under our clothes. 236 00:12:57,840 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 3: What is on your door now? 237 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: I think our initials. Yeah, I think it's something slightly mysterious, 238 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:10,199 Speaker 1: but we have our security, so it doesn't really matter. 239 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:12,559 Speaker 3: Right, that's a little safe, I know. 240 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: It's it's it's funny to think of kind of the 241 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: naivete and the kind of innocence, you know, that we 242 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: had back then At different times. 243 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 3: We were really under the radar. 244 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 2: Look at the crowds that watch you all now. It's 245 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 2: really something. It's so special to have come along and 246 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 2: grown up with it. 247 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, it's crazy to think about. That's part 248 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 1: of the reason I wanted to do the podcast is 249 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 1: that the journey has been incredible, and you know, we 250 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:46,680 Speaker 1: share it with the fans, right because that they're part. 251 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 1: They're part of the journey, and I wanted to bring 252 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: it all together and let them hear our experience of 253 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: it because it's so much fun to think back for 254 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 1: so long we've been together. 255 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 2: I feel like a lot in my I don't know, 256 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 2: maybe I'm I'm not sure sure, but I feel like 257 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:03,959 Speaker 2: a lot of it is untold history. Like I saw 258 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 2: your clip on Instagram. You and Cynthia were talking about auditioning. Yep, bitch, 259 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 2: I found fascinating. 260 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. 261 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 3: I don't know if you've shared those stories from that 262 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:17,319 Speaker 3: early with people. 263 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: I don't think so, I mean, what's funny for us too, 264 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: because obviously every person I've had Michael Patrick and I've 265 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: had sin On. Now I'm having you on, which is great. 266 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have a Sarah On. Everyone has told me 267 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 1: things that I haven't known, which you know, We've spent 268 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: a lot of time together and I still don't know everything. 269 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: So it's kind of fun and funny, you know. So 270 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 1: back to you. Let's get back to you. So you've 271 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: come to New York. You've walked into Pat store. How 272 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: incredibly smart of you. Number one? Number two? Now you 273 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: Pat said like, look at the script or look at 274 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 1: this book or whatever it is. And you're on the 275 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: show and no one knows the show. You guys are 276 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: asking to borrow clothes. People are like, what is it? 277 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: You're going to Bloomingdale's. You're going to Century twenty one, 278 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: which I remember. You guys kind of lived at Century 279 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: twenty one. 280 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 2: Oh my god, people I worked there, I was there, 281 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 2: so they would ask me where are the belts? 282 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: And I'm sure you knew where every single belt was? 283 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 3: I did. 284 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 2: I could have gone through that store blindfolded. I told Pat, 285 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 2: I've spent more time in Century twenty one that I 286 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 2: did in my entire life anywhere. 287 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: I bet, I bet, and thankfully so, because, oh my god, 288 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 1: how could you have ever done what you guys did 289 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: without having Century twenty one. 290 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 2: People do not realize what a treasure trove it was. 291 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 2: You know that little Vivian Westwood mini that had the 292 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 2: little white fluffle bottom behind. 293 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: Yes, some century incredible, incredible, How could it not be there? 294 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 3: We loved going, we do. 295 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: I know we did, and we in our minds we 296 00:15:48,000 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: still do. Let me ask you this. So I remember 297 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 1: just myself going to New York, you know, somewhat wide eyed, 298 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: thinking wow, I don't know how to dress like this. 299 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 1: And you know, these women that this is kind of 300 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: based on are so incredibly fashionable, and they're in the 301 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: magazines as the best dressed, and you know, thank goodness, 302 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: sir Jessica knows about this, right and think good Sir 303 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: Jessica had her relationships with designers that she had already 304 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: been you know, engaged in before the show, and I 305 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 1: remember just thinking, gosh, I've got to do what she does. So, 306 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: you know, like if someone eventually would invite us somewhere, 307 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 1: I would go and I would try to make relationships, 308 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 1: especially with the people that fit me right, which wasn't 309 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 1: everyone I mean now right, So like Michael Core's you know, 310 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: the Ralph Lauren Oscar de Laurento, which took years, and 311 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 1: I was always scared, like I don't want to be 312 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: on Sergiska's turf, but you know, maybe could I possibly 313 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: wear an Oscar? And I finally got to. But you know, 314 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 1: those things for me were very much just following her lead, 315 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: you know, in terms of how do you make a relationship. 316 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 1: Remember how we were so good about returning things, Like 317 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: we never asked, you know, not to return. 318 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 3: We were terrified to keep something. 319 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 1: Too long, right, we were terrified. 320 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 3: I mean that evolved into we were such hoarders. 321 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 2: In the end six it would I dare you to 322 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 2: come and pry this. 323 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 3: From our. 324 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: And do you remember? This just came to my mind. 325 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: Do you remember that time there was something? I mean, 326 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 1: this is back when we really felt like we had 327 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:30,959 Speaker 1: to be like on the forefront. We had to get 328 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 1: things like right off the runway, mostly for Sarah. I 329 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 1: don't know if that was so true for Charlotte. But 330 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 1: remember there was something that came off was at McQueen. 331 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 1: I think something that came off the runway and you 332 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: had sent an assistant to the show in London or 333 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 1: Paris wherever it was, and they had to stand there 334 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: waiting for it and fly back with it. Do you 335 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:52,680 Speaker 1: remember this? I do, I do, insane. 336 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 3: I don't remember what garment it was. 337 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: I feel like it was a butterfly looking kind of 338 00:17:58,440 --> 00:17:59,880 Speaker 1: you know, calf tanny thing. 339 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was from one of the movies where I 340 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:08,679 Speaker 2: accident sent something returned something to a Vogue shoot that 341 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 2: was happening in Tuloom. And then I looked on the 342 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 2: one liner and saw, oh my god, she's got to 343 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 2: come out of the bathroom in that dress tomorrow. 344 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:18,119 Speaker 1: Wow. 345 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 2: And Melfie said, stick a pa on a plane. 346 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:24,919 Speaker 3: It's very cheap. 347 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:28,640 Speaker 2: Go down to Tulum and steal that dress back because 348 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:31,400 Speaker 2: I don't want to change the schedule. So we sent 349 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 2: them one and that little pa thought it was the 350 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 2: most glamorous thing she had ever done in her life. 351 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 3: And she called me from the airport and said, I 352 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 3: have the dress, may I? Because it was turn around, 353 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 3: you know, like you went came back. 354 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 2: It was a rounding round, and she said, can I 355 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 2: please order of Margarita? 356 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 1: I hope you said yes. 357 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:54,160 Speaker 3: I said, please do, but stay in the airport. 358 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 1: That's adorable. Okay, So let's go back in time, back 359 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:01,439 Speaker 1: in time. What do you remember because when I'm so, 360 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:04,679 Speaker 1: I'm rewatching, right, and as I'm rewatching, I'm just seeing 361 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 1: touches of what's coming fashion wise starting to enter the picture. 362 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 3: Right. 363 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: So, like Sarah in the episode before this one, she 364 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 1: goes she she is going out with that French guy 365 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,120 Speaker 1: and he leaves her a thousand dollars after they've spent 366 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: the night together. Do you remember this? 367 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:21,640 Speaker 3: Oh? 368 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:26,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, right, And she's got some good dresses and I'm like, oh, 369 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 1: Pat and Molly are doing their magic, right, Like she 370 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:32,160 Speaker 1: has this beautiful silver dress and she's walking down Madison 371 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 1: Avenue and she's talking about how she feels like she's 372 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:38,199 Speaker 1: floating and she she lifts up off the sidewalk. Do 373 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 1: you remember this? No, literally, no one remembers this. I 374 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 1: texted her. She doesn't remember it either. I don't know 375 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:47,360 Speaker 1: how we did it or why we did it exactly, 376 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: but it's a great dress. And Cynthia remembered something that 377 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 1: maybe you had to double that dress. Remember how it 378 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 1: was always a bit of a drama for us to 379 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 1: have to double something, which is very normal in film 380 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: and TV. They didn't have to double her triple something, 381 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:03,919 Speaker 1: but for us because we had, you know, hopefully one 382 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: of a kind from vintage or one of a kind 383 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 1: fashion around. Like remember my product skirt. Pat told me 384 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:11,919 Speaker 1: that I couldn't wear it to meet Trey because we 385 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: had to get five of them because I had to 386 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:15,120 Speaker 1: fall in the street. And I was like, we will 387 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: wear it, we will wear it. She had to call, 388 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 1: you know, all of Europe to find enough product skirt, 389 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: lipstick skirts, you know, for me to wear it, and 390 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 1: she did. God bless her. 391 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 3: That is so relatable to like the no pantyhose. 392 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 2: Like in television, you were supposed to be able, no 393 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 2: problem stunts. You could triple, quadruple something, and that was 394 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 2: the first kind of department. I think that came along 395 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 2: and said, I'm sorry, Charlotte's in a vintage thing and 396 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 2: you're gonna have to take do it once. 397 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: Right, like right. 398 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 3: This was unheard of. 399 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 1: It was unheard of, and sometimes people were very unhappy 400 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 1: with us because of it. But we felt like it 401 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: was very very important and I think we were right 402 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 1: and you know right, And many people have asked me 403 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:03,919 Speaker 1: this over the years, and I kind of feel embarrassed 404 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: that I'm going to ask you now, but I will 405 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: go for it. People have said that the fashion was 406 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 1: its own character. Do you feel that that's true? 407 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:18,199 Speaker 2: You know, I always heard that coming along, there's a 408 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 2: fourth character the clothing, and then it started becoming there's 409 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 2: a fourth character the city, right, But I have to 410 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 2: agree on both of those. Yeah, you know, there was 411 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 2: a lot to dive into with the clothes. There was 412 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 2: a lot to dive into with each of you, and 413 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 2: there was a lot to experience in that setting, that location. 414 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: It's true, and that was I think part of the 415 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:50,639 Speaker 1: magic was that we were trying to be of the moment. 416 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,879 Speaker 1: We weren't trying to be all things for everyone at 417 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: all times. Like the Kansas comment, from the HBO executive 418 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 1: but we were trying to be specifically there, you know, 419 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 1: and open to the influence of being there on the streets, 420 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 1: which was so magical. 421 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:14,479 Speaker 2: We did not ever shoot in a restaurant in Brooklyn, Okay, 422 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 2: we were strictly of the moment Manhattan. They will I 423 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 2: remember those locations. I was just like, Wow, this is 424 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 2: so current. Most people haven't even gotten a table here yet. 425 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 2: You know, it was a badge of honor to be 426 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 2: shooting there. 427 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 1: Definitely. 428 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 2: Darren is someone who gave our department so much information, 429 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 2: and I think that that helped set up the DNA 430 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 2: of the clothing because he was like, Charlotte works, Charlotte 431 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 2: doesn't work. Charlotte's addresses this, and that is just a 432 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:54,120 Speaker 2: lot of information that oftentimes you don't you don't get 433 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 2: to go that deep. 434 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 1: That's true, That's so true. I mean this particular episode 435 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: that I'm on now see her Charlotte in the gallery 436 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,159 Speaker 1: and I feel like it's the first time, and I'm like, oh, 437 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,159 Speaker 1: thank god, we're in the gallery. Because in the beginning, 438 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 1: that was a big, big part of Charlotte. Like almost 439 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: every storyline is at least tangentially related to her. Art, 440 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,959 Speaker 1: like you know very much that I pose for this 441 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: dude who paints the kind of Georgia O'Keefe type paintings. 442 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 2: I was going to bring that up, and I was 443 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 2: going to bring up you dressing like a man. 444 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,160 Speaker 1: Oh I can't wait. I'm not there yet. But isn't 445 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:29,159 Speaker 1: that great? Isn't that so great that we did that? 446 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 1: Back then? 447 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 3: I remember people stressing out about that. 448 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 1: Do you do you have? I did? I had a mustache. 449 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 1: Judy Chin did it. And Judy who was doing makeup 450 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: for Sir Jessica and I. She would flip back and forth. 451 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 1: Do you remember she and Nikki and she had just 452 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 1: done Freda. She had done salamahayak and Frieda and she 453 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: knew how to make like fake eyebrows, so she did 454 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 1: bigger eyebrows on me and the mustache so that it 455 00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 1: looked really real and wasn't like you know if you 456 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: go to you know, costume the house and write a 457 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 1: paste on. Yeah. It was very special and also like 458 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: Charlotte was. So I did a lot of crazy stuff. 459 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 2: Oh boy, did you But what the Georgia O'Keefe that 460 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:18,360 Speaker 2: are you naked? 461 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 1: They don't show it, thank god. In heaven. Okay, but 462 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 1: theoretically yes. And then and then I tell the girls 463 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: that I did it right, and then they come to 464 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: the gallery show and they're trying to guess which one 465 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 1: I am how modifying? Okay, oh my gosh. But you 466 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 1: know what, this is what I think when I watched 467 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 1: I think so many things when I watch our young selves, 468 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 1: but one thing I think is like we were all 469 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:40,639 Speaker 1: very game. 470 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 3: Absolutely. 471 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 1: I mean I remember being very nervous, right and concerned 472 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: about like, what is this show and how are we 473 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,959 Speaker 1: telling these stories? And you know, is it from you know, 474 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,640 Speaker 1: the female perspective? Like I felt like it was very 475 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 1: important that it be from our perspective and not for 476 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,639 Speaker 1: the male game or something you know, for men, but 477 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:06,160 Speaker 1: something that would you know, be ringing true for women 478 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 1: watching or empowering women who were watching or something like that. 479 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 1: And I feel like we came there, but in the 480 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 1: beginning it wasn't clear, right, But I think in a 481 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: lot of ways that was also your guys's influence. You 482 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 1: know that Pat's already showing darren S and m you know, 483 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 1: domination stuff because she's had such a strong point of view, 484 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:32,680 Speaker 1: and you guys were so incredibly integrated into the creative process. 485 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 2: And that is another thing about Darren so collaborative and 486 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 2: Michael Patrick Keane. Lots of information to departments at least ours, right, 487 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 2: and very open to hearing an alternative idea. 488 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 1: Right lot. That's important. 489 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,200 Speaker 2: You work with are like no, I want this, which 490 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,199 Speaker 2: is fine, it's your show, but shows God were like 491 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 2: open for me. 492 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,920 Speaker 1: But I felt like we were just creating something that 493 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,719 Speaker 1: we felt like didn't exist, and I guess it did. 494 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: I mean, it still doesn't. Right except for us, there's 495 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 1: really nothing to compare it to, which is also so 496 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 1: strange to me. 497 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:19,679 Speaker 2: You know, it's really I mean, talk about the planets 498 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 2: aligning and being in the right place at the right time. 499 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 3: I mean, that was incredible. 500 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 2: I don't even know how Darren hooked up with you know, Canda, 501 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:31,199 Speaker 2: I don't know any of that. 502 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: I don't know either. I think they just went out 503 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 1: in New York. 504 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 2: You know, you had a relationship with Darren longer than 505 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 2: any you know, I did. 506 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: But I didn't really know. You know, I was already sober, right, 507 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 1: so I wasn't going out, you know what I'm saying. 508 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 1: And Darren. I feel like Darren has said that he 509 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,199 Speaker 1: just knew Candice from going out, and he thought that 510 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,719 Speaker 1: she was smart and interesting and funny, and I think 511 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 1: he read her column and you know, they were They 512 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 1: were in that kind of very cool upper echelon of 513 00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 1: New York. Not upper echelon like a lot a lot 514 00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: of money, but more like super cool version of that. Yeah, 515 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 1: but this is okay, many specifics I want to ask 516 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:07,639 Speaker 1: you about because I don't even know the answer to this, 517 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:12,120 Speaker 1: but okay, So what I remember meeting Sarah Jessica and 518 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 1: her saying something about her Manolo's that she had collected already. 519 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,879 Speaker 1: And this is in nineteen ninety seven, right pilot time, 520 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,680 Speaker 1: and I was just so impressed. I was like, what 521 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 1: you have? Like wow? Many? And they were all like 522 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 1: so carefully, you know, in their dust bags in the boxes, 523 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 1: like you know, beautifully beautifully stored. How did you remember 524 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 1: the shoe trajectory of Carrie at least or the rest 525 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:39,880 Speaker 1: of us. 526 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,360 Speaker 2: I will tell you what I remember and then SJ 527 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 2: can correct me. I've romanticized it, but I remember Pat 528 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 2: and SJ feeling like that label was kind of under 529 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 2: the radar, so it was a good one to pluck, 530 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:04,919 Speaker 2: you know, and really go. 531 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 1: For I think that's true. 532 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was it. I mean I feel like it was. 533 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 2: I don't think people downtown knew what a Manola. 534 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 1: Was, right, I don't think I did. 535 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 3: I don't. 536 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 2: It's yeah, yeah, George, the guy who was Manola's partner, 537 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 2: I guess yep. 538 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 3: He was really also a. 539 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 2: Real collaborator and open for business and open for anything. Right, 540 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,360 Speaker 2: So that was a good company to, you know, get 541 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:35,160 Speaker 2: involved with. 542 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 1: Absolutely. Do you remember, I don't know if you will, 543 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 1: but in the beginning, I'm wearing some low tint kind 544 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 1: of heels, like very average, and I remember I am 545 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: it took it took you guys a while to get 546 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 1: me into high shoes. And I remember I had this 547 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 1: pair of Manola pumps, black pumps that probably I don't 548 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 1: think they were one hundred and five millimeter. I think 549 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 1: they were probably like whatever eighties seven or something, and 550 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: to me, they were really high and I had to 551 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: really practice walking in them and whatnot. And there's an 552 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: episode coming up. I had one pair, one pair, and 553 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 1: we just rewore them a lot, and I had that episode. 554 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 1: It hasn't happened yet, but when I'm with the Widow 555 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 1: in the Graveyard and it was pouring rain, bitter cold, okay, 556 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 1: bitter cold, and I'm wearing some kind of an almost 557 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 1: vintage type dress. It might not have been vintage, I'm 558 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 1: not sure. I think it was, was it? And I 559 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 1: want to have a shawl on? But then I wasn't 560 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 1: supposed to have a shawl on. I'm very cold, so 561 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 1: I'm just desperate for anything to keep me warm, and 562 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 1: I have to run up this hillside, this muddy hillside, 563 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: and I basically ruined my Manolo's and I was so 564 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,719 Speaker 1: stressed about it. And they had to go to the 565 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 1: shop and get like redone because they were just soaked 566 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 1: through with mud from this graveyard, you know. And then 567 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 1: at some you guys did a story with a Vogue 568 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: I want to say about the fashion, which at that 569 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: point we were desperate for any coverage for the show 570 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 1: of fashion or anything in general. Do you remember we 571 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 1: never said no to press in the beginning. 572 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 4: Okay, you don't remember this, no. 573 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 1: No, So Pat gives them my Minola's for some reason, 574 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 1: and my little butterfly ruby necklace that I love so much. 575 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: Do you remember my butterfly ruby necklace? Yes, Vintage loved 576 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: that thing. She gave that to them. And it never 577 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 1: came back, and one of my Manola's never came back. 578 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. 579 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 1: I know. I was like, pat Field, don't give my 580 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 1: stuff away. 581 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 3: That's amazing that you only got one pair. That's really 582 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 3: a sad story. 583 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 2: And now the worst part of it, we beg you 584 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 2: to bring shoes from. 585 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 1: La to I know, I was just unpacking my box. 586 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 1: I was just in packing my box. But it's okay, Mollie, 587 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 1: It's okay. I don't mind because it gives more money 588 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 1: for you to buy new things. 589 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 3: Right. I was like, we still don't buy your shoes, 590 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 3: you still bring. 591 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 1: Them from No, no, No, It's all good because at 592 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 1: this point I think I have every color Manolo pump 593 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 1: that exists. I feel like I do. You don't need 594 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 1: to keep buying them. 595 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 3: Did you have a favorite early, you know, season one through? 596 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 3: Did you have a favorite outfit? 597 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 1: I mean in the beginning, right as I'm watching, I 598 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 1: am really amazed at how completely normal my clothes are 599 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 1: in first season, like so normal that it's shocking. Like 600 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 1: I'm wearing these little suits and they're so funny and 601 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 1: like young looking. I feel like, you know, not very structured. 602 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 1: I remember, and you tell me if you remember this. 603 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 1: I don't know who made it, but I had a 604 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 1: black long dress that I wear. It hasn't happened yet. 605 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 1: It's cut and pat Lent me her own Gucci shoes 606 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 1: that had the heel made of metal. 607 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. 608 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 1: Do you remember this? Yeah, and they've come back. But 609 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 1: they are literally the most painful thing in the world. 610 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 1: But I was gonna wear those things because that point 611 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 1: I was like, I'm gonna do it. I'm going to 612 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 1: try to live up to this vision that they have 613 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 1: for the fashion and myself and everybody else. And yes, 614 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 1: it's painful, but who cares, you know, Like people still 615 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 1: talk to me like, you know, I don't know. I 616 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 1: want to wear the heels but I don't know, And 617 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I mean get ready, cause you will 618 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: lose feeling in your feet at some point. 619 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 3: Right right, There is numbness involved. 620 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 1: There is numbness involved. I mean for me, at all times, 621 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 1: my right foot is still numb. But you know what 622 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 1: it's worth it, you guys, It was worth It was 623 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 1: worth it. It was worth it. 624 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 2: I can watch an old older episode, a past episode 625 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 2: and always watch Cynthia Nixon doing a walk and talk 626 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 2: and I know if her feet are hurt. 627 00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 1: It's true. It's true. I agree, And I could also 628 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 1: tell with myself now every once in a while, like 629 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 1: I had to do looping the other day and I 630 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 1: was like, oh man, I should have taken those soakkates off. 631 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 1: Why am I trying to wear the soakkate? 632 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 3: Oh? Ouch? 633 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 2: I know, okay, this is common knowledge. But when we 634 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 2: recently shot on Fifth Avenue outside the jewelry store, yeah, 635 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 2: I had that blue on. It's the blue Tarry Muglare 636 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 2: Halter dress that you and Trey. Yeah, ifanian is one 637 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 2: of my favorites. And when you recently are in blue 638 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 2: again with Carrie, so I was like, wow, what a 639 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 2: great side by side. 640 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 1: And I have both those dresses. 641 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 642 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 1: We tried to do kind of a modern breakfast at Tiffany's, 643 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 1: like not too done because it was the middle of 644 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 1: the day. But also do you remember, and I mean 645 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 1: we're you know, I could talk to mom all about 646 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 1: you know, twenty million things, you guys, but do you 647 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 1: remember when we used to shoot with with people on 648 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 1: the street, Like Charles McDougall directed that breakfast Attivany's the 649 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,879 Speaker 1: first time with Kyle, and he would send us down 650 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 1: the street. You remember him? 651 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:16,879 Speaker 3: Yeah? Oh, I definitely remember him. 652 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 1: Yeah. Can I tell you, guys, there's a director on 653 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: this current episode that I'm rewatching that I have no 654 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 1: memory of. What how could this be? His name is 655 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 1: Michael Fielder? Fielder? 656 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 2: Is that the guy that came to set one time 657 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,360 Speaker 2: in a stretcher because he had back and he directed 658 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 2: from a stretcher? 659 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:36,719 Speaker 3: Do you remember that? 660 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:36,840 Speaker 1: What? 661 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:43,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, on the stage in a stretcher had back problems. 662 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:44,440 Speaker 3: We'll have to look it up. 663 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,880 Speaker 1: Michael Fields. I'm so sorry, Michael Fields. If you're out there, 664 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 1: I don't remember you. And I don't know how it's possible, 665 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 1: but this is a long time ago, but it was 666 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 1: like random. When I look down at the episode, I 667 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:57,920 Speaker 1: thought to myself, I can't remember this person. 668 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 3: No memory of him. What would Charles dougle with? 669 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:04,800 Speaker 1: Charles McDougall was very ambitious and usually what would happen 670 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 1: is we would go over budget and Melfie would start 671 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,719 Speaker 1: to look very stressed, and Michael Hill from HBO would 672 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,200 Speaker 1: come and sit on the set and glare at us, 673 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 1: you know, like you guys are over, you guys are over. 674 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 1: And Charles McDougall did not care Okay, he was just 675 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 1: doing his artistry, and his artistry involved many interesting things. 676 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,560 Speaker 1: And for the breakfast at Tiffany's, it involved having a 677 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:30,720 Speaker 1: long lens camera blocks away from us, blocks and blocks 678 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,239 Speaker 1: where Kyle and I couldn't even see the camera. And 679 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 1: then they'd give us a general like try to walk 680 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,400 Speaker 1: by this scene in the sidewalk, and you know, we 681 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,719 Speaker 1: were just walking and ad living talking, right, and with 682 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 1: regular people, Okay, regular New Yorkers walking down the street, 683 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 1: walking down Fifth Avenue, not knowing. I mean maybe we 684 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 1: had to get a release from them after the fact. 685 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,759 Speaker 1: I have no idea how that worked, right, But they're 686 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,360 Speaker 1: just doing their business and we're just trying to walk 687 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:58,320 Speaker 1: and hoping that we are on camera and having no idea. 688 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 1: That's how amazingly ambitious he was. And it was so 689 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 1: much fun. And then by the time we would get closer, 690 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,359 Speaker 1: we would be closer on camera, and then we would 691 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,120 Speaker 1: probably cut and do that shot where you can see 692 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,399 Speaker 1: us framed in the window. And then also my other 693 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:17,840 Speaker 1: really really great Charles McDougall, was in burgdor flipping the 694 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,360 Speaker 1: china over. You know, Kyle and I are flipping the 695 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 1: china over, and I think Bunny comes, but we had 696 00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 1: I think we flipped the china like thirty six kind 697 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:26,040 Speaker 1: of times. 698 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:30,840 Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, that would send you over budget. They wouldn't 699 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 2: let you do that now, right, Oh. 700 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,040 Speaker 1: I don't think so. Maybe they'd let Michael. 701 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,920 Speaker 3: They wouldn't let They might not. You wouldn't do it, 702 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 3: I would What are you saying? 703 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,440 Speaker 1: What are you saying? I never say no, I. 704 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 2: Wouldn't think you would cut them off at like twelve 705 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 2: or something. 706 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,080 Speaker 1: I never have cut them off and ever ever, ever, 707 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,279 Speaker 1: because you know why, you always feel like you can 708 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,440 Speaker 1: do it more better. You know you can do a 709 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,560 Speaker 1: better take. I mean it depends, it depends what's happening 710 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,680 Speaker 1: that day. But I can't imagine saying like no, I 711 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 1: won't do another take. 712 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:02,480 Speaker 3: I can't. 713 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,080 Speaker 1: I mean, look, there's sometimes like, for instance, my very 714 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,919 Speaker 1: very lengthy birthday party, which we won't go into any 715 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 1: more detail other than to say that I have a 716 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,960 Speaker 1: birthday coming. Charlotte has a birthday coming. I should say 717 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:17,680 Speaker 1: on the show it is an epic birthday party, Okay, epic. 718 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,799 Speaker 1: And there were times where we would say to our 719 00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:22,640 Speaker 1: lovely director, I knew who we loved so much. We'd 720 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,560 Speaker 1: be like, we think we got it, Like we just 721 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,640 Speaker 1: gently be like, we think we got that one, because 722 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 1: they were just seen after seen, take after take, so 723 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:34,920 Speaker 1: many characters, so many characters. 724 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:40,680 Speaker 2: You guys were trapped now about but let me ask 725 00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,239 Speaker 2: you something and tell me if this is really none 726 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:47,720 Speaker 2: of my business, oh baby, asking you over and over 727 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:49,920 Speaker 2: again in a bedroom scene. 728 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:54,160 Speaker 1: Well, I mean that's a different situation, for sure, for sure. Yeah, 729 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:58,799 Speaker 1: And I do remember definitely stressy, stressy times way back 730 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,880 Speaker 1: about about We had so many different directors, right, and 731 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:06,560 Speaker 1: so many different points of view about what it was 732 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,759 Speaker 1: we were supposed to be doing, and definitely I had 733 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 1: some stress. And as you remember, we were often filming 734 00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,759 Speaker 1: in the middle of the ever loved night right with 735 00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,560 Speaker 1: like no one around to help you. We didn't have 736 00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:21,799 Speaker 1: intimacyque coordinators back then, and if Michael Patrick wasn't there, 737 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 1: you kind of had no or Darren for that matter, 738 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:26,960 Speaker 1: And often Darren might have gone back to La or 739 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:28,879 Speaker 1: he might have been writing, or everyone might have gone 740 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,400 Speaker 1: home because it was two am. It was two yeah, exactly, 741 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,600 Speaker 1: so you might just be by yourself. And I do remember, 742 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,440 Speaker 1: and we haven't gotten there yet, but there is a 743 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,640 Speaker 1: scene where I ended up feeling so uncomfortable that I 744 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:41,799 Speaker 1: went and locked myself in my dressing room and called 745 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,200 Speaker 1: my manager back in LA to get some advice on 746 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,640 Speaker 1: what to do, because I just didn't feel like the 747 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:54,839 Speaker 1: man director had the right idea for this particular sex scene. 748 00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:57,960 Speaker 1: You know, I just remember there being a fair amount 749 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,279 Speaker 1: of anxiety about it all. Like do you remember that 750 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:04,320 Speaker 1: time where I have to try I'm trying to get 751 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:06,759 Speaker 1: Kyle's character to have sex with me. You know, we 752 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,960 Speaker 1: have this like troubled sex life in our marriage. Do 753 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,560 Speaker 1: you remember? And I had to wear that sheer nightgown 754 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:16,000 Speaker 1: and basically, you know, appeal to him to see me 755 00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,759 Speaker 1: as a sexual being. God help me out. It makes 756 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,000 Speaker 1: me nervous just thinking about it. Okay, do you remember 757 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,120 Speaker 1: the stress about that? Yeah? I mean I'm trying to 758 00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:28,279 Speaker 1: kind of emotionally and seductively appeal to him both, right, 759 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,600 Speaker 1: So it's kind of a difficult scene and that you 760 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:36,200 Speaker 1: have to be emotionally available as well as seductive, you know, 761 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:40,680 Speaker 1: not like fake seductive, you know what I'm saying. And 762 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:44,040 Speaker 1: I remember really stressing about whether I should wear underwear 763 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,640 Speaker 1: under that because I think Pat wanted me not to. 764 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,480 Speaker 1: I know, it's so embarrassing to think about, right, I know, 765 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,600 Speaker 1: but I think that was another call to my manager Dave, Like, Dave, 766 00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:59,440 Speaker 1: Pat wants me not to wear any underwear and you 767 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,120 Speaker 1: can see right through this thing, and I don't know 768 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:02,520 Speaker 1: what to do. And he was like, you gotta wear 769 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,080 Speaker 1: some underwear. And I'm like, I do, right, I think 770 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:06,759 Speaker 1: I should wear some underwear. Right. 771 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:13,080 Speaker 2: I'm remembering now why she right? Because you in real 772 00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:14,680 Speaker 2: life would not have. 773 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:18,240 Speaker 1: It's true, It's true. She wasn't wrong. She wasn't wrong. Yeah, 774 00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,239 Speaker 1: she wasn't wrong, But I mean you were trying to 775 00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,480 Speaker 1: find the balance between like can I live with this 776 00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:27,640 Speaker 1: and you know, screenshots of this following me around or whatever? Right, 777 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,040 Speaker 1: But do you remember the time to when Pat wanted 778 00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:34,880 Speaker 1: to direct. Oh yeah, she'd be like, you know, I 779 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,520 Speaker 1: would just take an ice cube and run it down 780 00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,959 Speaker 1: your leg. She'd like some crazy ideas. 781 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,560 Speaker 2: Yes she really, And I'll tell you that carried on through. 782 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:49,759 Speaker 2: Pat wanted to direct an ugly Betty episode. Wow, she 783 00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:55,080 Speaker 2: wanted to you know, that visual mind of hers wanted 784 00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:58,640 Speaker 2: to get out of the square box of the clothes. 785 00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,840 Speaker 1: Right, Well, did I mean the clothes for us at least? 786 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,799 Speaker 1: You know, really permeated everything, almost to the point in 787 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,120 Speaker 1: the films where you know, we had to try to 788 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,360 Speaker 1: get rid of the conversations about the clothes almost like 789 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,560 Speaker 1: it took center stage so so so much. And I 790 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:21,640 Speaker 1: feel like what people thought happened was that brands had 791 00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:25,080 Speaker 1: come in and like imposed themselves on us, which was not, 792 00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,520 Speaker 1: in fact the case. I didn't feel did you feel 793 00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:27,879 Speaker 1: that way? 794 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:35,040 Speaker 2: I have never ever, you know, felt like that's an 795 00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:39,000 Speaker 2: inappropriate thing. Even though it's free, it doesn't suit the 796 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,000 Speaker 2: character and we're going to put it there now right. 797 00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:45,200 Speaker 1: No, it was us wanting these things and having to 798 00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,400 Speaker 1: find a way to get them because we couldn't afford 799 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,000 Speaker 1: them on our budget because at a certain point our 800 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,359 Speaker 1: budget would have exceeded all budgets ever made if we'd 801 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,320 Speaker 1: paid for everything, like it was crazy. 802 00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:55,880 Speaker 3: And bags are frightening. 803 00:41:55,920 --> 00:42:00,560 Speaker 2: The prices on handbags are like beyond I know this 804 00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:05,440 Speaker 2: is not popular, but the Abu Dhabi movie, yeah, the 805 00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:09,600 Speaker 2: costume department, those are our famous costumes ever. 806 00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,320 Speaker 3: I know he loved everything. 807 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:16,880 Speaker 2: That you guys wore, that strapless blue thing that I 808 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,360 Speaker 2: was sweating bullets to do this pin I was so 809 00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,360 Speaker 2: afraid to pick and that on you. 810 00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:28,719 Speaker 1: You mean the the the like are talking. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 811 00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,560 Speaker 3: We have seen it five in the morning. 812 00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, when we're so cold that we're we've turned blue. Yes, 813 00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:36,040 Speaker 1: I remember that. It was beautiful. 814 00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,879 Speaker 2: Those things that those little things that stress you out. 815 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,640 Speaker 2: I had to call for the supervisor to come and 816 00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:45,440 Speaker 2: help me. I wanted it to be in the right place. 817 00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,440 Speaker 1: I mean, that's the thing. You guys, with your attention 818 00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,719 Speaker 1: to detail, you are unmatched. 819 00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,239 Speaker 3: Unmatched there as well. 820 00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,560 Speaker 1: Well thank you, but I mean, like if you think 821 00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,719 Speaker 1: about you know, you and Pat and now you and 822 00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,560 Speaker 1: Danny obviously on Ninjesla like that, and all of our 823 00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,520 Speaker 1: dressers that we've ever had, and all of the supervisors 824 00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,160 Speaker 1: and the attention to you know, how things are made 825 00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:08,719 Speaker 1: and how things are put together and how a bow 826 00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:10,520 Speaker 1: is tied. You guys don't even want to be around 827 00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,239 Speaker 1: when a bow needs to be tied, okay, I mean 828 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:14,920 Speaker 1: the stress. 829 00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,000 Speaker 3: Careful, that's dangerous. 830 00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,320 Speaker 1: I know, I know. I won't go into any more detail, 831 00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,600 Speaker 1: but there's many people who have strong feelings on how 832 00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,640 Speaker 1: a bow must be tied, okay, And you don't even 833 00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,719 Speaker 1: want to get involved, right, You're just like, yeah, sure, 834 00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,800 Speaker 1: do whatever, you know you guys do whatever. But I 835 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,520 Speaker 1: think like when some people are they say things like, 836 00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,680 Speaker 1: you know, I think maybe when people come to work 837 00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:41,319 Speaker 1: on our show after having seen it, they're kind of 838 00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:45,439 Speaker 1: amazed what all goes into just a scene or a 839 00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,719 Speaker 1: walk and talk or whatever, because you when you're watching it, 840 00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,560 Speaker 1: hopefully you're not thinking about that, right, but then we 841 00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:55,760 Speaker 1: know like the levels and levels of levels of attention 842 00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,800 Speaker 1: to detail that it takes to make it good. 843 00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,919 Speaker 2: Well, you know, you of all people, know what it's 844 00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,840 Speaker 2: like to come for your fitting and you always block 845 00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:09,279 Speaker 2: out an entire day of you lon, And what. 846 00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,200 Speaker 3: Is it like on other when you go to. 847 00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:18,799 Speaker 1: Us sad Molly, when you go to if you've been 848 00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,719 Speaker 1: with us, right, and then you get a job, you know, 849 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:25,359 Speaker 1: when we're off, you're just like, oh god. I mean 850 00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:26,799 Speaker 1: for me, I'm like, can I go home and get 851 00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,560 Speaker 1: my clothes? I mean, because we're just spoiled rotten, okay. 852 00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,000 Speaker 1: But the other thing that I think about when I 853 00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,960 Speaker 1: think back, like we used to work, you know, as 854 00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,680 Speaker 1: you know, almost all night as the week went on 855 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,880 Speaker 1: right till sun rose on Saturday morning, but also sometimes 856 00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,640 Speaker 1: because there was no time for a fitting because all 857 00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:45,120 Speaker 1: of us were working so much more. We didn't have 858 00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,399 Speaker 1: as many days to do an episode, So even if 859 00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,160 Speaker 1: it would seem like maybe one of us wasn't in 860 00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,239 Speaker 1: that episode as much, we were probably in the other 861 00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:56,040 Speaker 1: episode being filmed, right. And sometimes we had mobile units. Yeah, 862 00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:57,600 Speaker 1: so the only time to do a fitting was when 863 00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,719 Speaker 1: you wrapped at night. And I remember going to a 864 00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:03,040 Speaker 1: fitting at like two am. Oh, this is insane. 865 00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:04,719 Speaker 3: Can you believe that? 866 00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:06,160 Speaker 1: No, but we did. 867 00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,400 Speaker 3: It seems unfathomable to me. 868 00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,799 Speaker 2: I remember that time that somebody, I think it was 869 00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:16,120 Speaker 2: the supervisor Mark made up T shirts because we had 870 00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:20,520 Speaker 2: four units going a ac Indeed, that would be illegal, 871 00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:21,359 Speaker 2: now do. 872 00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,000 Speaker 1: You think it would be? I mean, it was the 873 00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,840 Speaker 1: only way we did finish right, and we but that 874 00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:27,560 Speaker 1: was when we were in Silver Cup and they had 875 00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,920 Speaker 1: all those stages, so we had sopranos. Must have wrapped right, 876 00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:32,560 Speaker 1: So we were just by ourselves and we would just 877 00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:36,080 Speaker 1: run from stage to stage to stage, and we'd be like, 878 00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:37,440 Speaker 1: what do we have to do now? Oh? Yeah, we 879 00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,120 Speaker 1: got to do a phone call, our half of a 880 00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,839 Speaker 1: phone call. So we'd run over to B unit and 881 00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:43,920 Speaker 1: do that, and then we'd run over to C unit 882 00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,000 Speaker 1: and do like an insert of our hand picking up 883 00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:49,680 Speaker 1: a glass or whatever. It was like, oh my god, 884 00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:51,680 Speaker 1: the insanity. But you know, we were young, we had 885 00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:52,760 Speaker 1: the energy, right. 886 00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,160 Speaker 3: We were in it to win it. It was exciting. 887 00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,200 Speaker 1: We were we were in it to win it, and 888 00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,839 Speaker 1: it was exciting and we loved it so much, as 889 00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:00,520 Speaker 1: we still do. 890 00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:05,839 Speaker 2: It's still exciting and it's still coming back too. 891 00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,480 Speaker 3: And just like that, it was like back to summer camp. 892 00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:13,000 Speaker 1: I know, right, Yeah, it still is so much fun 893 00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:16,000 Speaker 1: and so amazing that we even get to still play 894 00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:16,759 Speaker 1: in the sandbox. 895 00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:21,280 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, absolutely so grateful, Molly. 896 00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:23,640 Speaker 1: I could talk to you forever, as you know. So 897 00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:25,960 Speaker 1: will you come back and do another episode? Can we 898 00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:27,000 Speaker 1: make this into two? 899 00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:27,760 Speaker 3: Yeah? 900 00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:28,439 Speaker 1: Okay, good