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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, the US Marshalls manhunt and

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Speaker 1: urgent update from the Marshalls coach Travis Turner, the famed

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Speaker 1: high school football coach vanishes into rugged terrains the mountains

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Speaker 1: with a gun on Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 1: I want to thank you for being with US.

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Speaker 2: Union High School in Big Stone Gap, Virginia faces turmoil

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Speaker 2: as head coach Travis Turner mysteriously vanishes days before their

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Speaker 2: undefeated football team heads to the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: Why did he say that that the coach vanishes just

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Speaker 1: before the big football playoff? Correction? The coach vanished into

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Speaker 1: the woods, we believe, carrying a gun, according to a witness,

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Speaker 1: as La Lord enforcement was on their way to his

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Speaker 1: house to talk to him about child porn and about

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Speaker 1: claims he solicited a child for sex over his computer.

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Speaker 1: Do you think he vanished into the woods with a

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Speaker 1: gun in a sweatsuit because of the upcoming football game.

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Speaker 1: I don't think so. Listen.

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Speaker 3: Law enforcement headed to the family home to interview Turner.

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Speaker 3: On the way, investigators are informed Turner is no longer home.

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Speaker 3: When officers arrived, they're told Turner was last seen going

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Speaker 3: into a wooded area near his home, wearing a gray

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Speaker 1: Joining me an all star panel, including a rep from

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Speaker 1: the US Marshall's Office who traveled the world looking for fugitives,

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Speaker 1: as well as an expert in nationwide manhunts. But first

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Speaker 1: to Samantha Allen, joining US multimedia journalists from w c

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Speaker 1: y B. On Insta, you can find her at sam

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Speaker 1: Allen Sports. Samantha, what the hey? Why is every banner

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Speaker 1: that I read? And you can go ahead and plead

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Speaker 1: guilty right now? Girl? About the football, the football game,

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Speaker 1: the undefeated season. I always such a great football coach,

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Speaker 1: always such a great quarterback when he played football, football football. Hey.

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Speaker 1: I like football, just like everybody else. But you know

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Speaker 1: what I hate more than I like football. I hate

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Speaker 1: child molesters. And I hate people that download child porn

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Speaker 1: on their computer. All right. I tried to look this

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Speaker 1: guy up last night and I put in football coach

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Speaker 1: child porn, and I got all kind of warnings like

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Speaker 1: I was trying to download child porn. I immediately just

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Speaker 1: turned off the computer. So what happens, Samantha all Right?

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, Virginia is a very tight knit community.

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Speaker 4: Already so football is already on top of everyone's mind.

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Speaker 4: This team has gone undefeated, he already is a All

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Speaker 1: Put her up, Samantha, What did I just say? I said,

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Speaker 1: why is everybody talking about football when this guy, this

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Speaker 1: trusted football coach, is allegedly downloading child born on his computer,

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Speaker 1: probably at school? And what did you do? You know what?

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Speaker 1: I don't trust you anymore, doctor Bethany. What does she

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Speaker 1: just do? After I said, why are we talking about football?

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Speaker 1: The football record, the football undefeated, the football, the football

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Speaker 1: And what does she just do?

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Speaker 5: She talked about football, and what she didn't talk about

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Speaker 5: was the victims. And that is what should be front

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Speaker 5: and center. I looked it up to last night, Nancy.

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Speaker 5: It's all about the football. The community. Children are always

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Speaker 5: underrepresented in our judicial system and in terms of protection,

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Speaker 5: and I keep thinking about who was he solictening? Was

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Speaker 5: a somebody in the school? What about the child born

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Speaker 5: on his computer? Or was he sharing photos with other

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Speaker 5: child molesters? Is he a part of a child molesting

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Speaker 5: ring where all these images are shared back and forth?

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Speaker 5: And because of that, that is really the part of

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Speaker 5: the story that should be front and center, because victims

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, doctor Bethany Marshall. Now I'm going to

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Speaker 1: make a very brief cameo appearance as a defense attorney,

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Speaker 1: and I'm going to defend Samantha Allen after I just

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Speaker 1: accused her. Samantha, I think part of the shock of this,

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Speaker 1: he has been famous. He is famous, he has been lauded.

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Speaker 1: He's a hero in the school and the community. His

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Speaker 1: I'm going to defend you just for a minute there,

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Speaker 1: journalist wcy B, what's happening.

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Speaker 4: The community is very tight knit, so they're not wanting

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Speaker 4: reporters in this region is trying to get people to talk.

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Speaker 4: No one wants to talk to us. They want to

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Speaker 4: defund him, and that's being a big issue. A lot

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Speaker 4: of us are questioning, why are you trying to defend

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Speaker 1: A lot of the like went to the you're right, Samantha.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's bedrock in our justice system that this coach,

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Speaker 1: Travis Turner is innocent. As we're talking tonight, He's innocent.

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Speaker 1: He is presumed innocent under the law. But that's not

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Speaker 1: the end of that sentence.

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Speaker 6: Is it.

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Speaker 1: Mark Tate, high profile trial lawyer with the Tate Group

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Speaker 1: out of Savannah who shot to fame across the nation

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Speaker 1: during the Alex and Murdog double murder trial. He defended

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Speaker 1: him to the very end on every news outlet there

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Speaker 1: was Mark Tate. That's not the end of the presumption

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Speaker 1: of innocence jury charge.

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Speaker 6: Is it?

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Speaker 1: That charge says the defendant is presumed innocent unless and

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Speaker 1: evidence to prove guilt. That's the rest of that sentence

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Speaker 1: that defends the trains like to conveniently forget.

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Speaker 6: Well. I mean, you're right, the state has the burden

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Speaker 6: But I think it's going to be hard to find him.

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Speaker 6: the things for which he was sought. That when they

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Speaker 1: Search right now for this guy. You don't think they

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Speaker 1: brought out trafford dogs, scent dogs, massive search for him.

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Speaker 1: There's an incredible search going on. I wonder did he

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Speaker 1: even go into that rugged terrain. I know he gives

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Speaker 1: the case from the very beginning. You know, you got

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Speaker 1: coach Travis Turner going into a heavily wooded area and sweatshirt, sweatshan,

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Speaker 1: how do I know that's where he really went?

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Speaker 4: We actually really don't even know if that is one

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Speaker 4: the Virginia State Police. The firearm. That was only told

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Speaker 4: to us from the attorney, the family's attorney, Adrian Collins.

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Speaker 1: So we okay, wait, wait, wait, Samantha, Sam, Sam, what

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Speaker 4: The family warrior is the only person that has officially

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Speaker 4: announced that he walked into the woods with the firearm.

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Speaker 4: The Virginia State Police didn't.

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Speaker 1: Wait, wait, wait, well, Samantha, you just gave me some

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Speaker 1: very vital information. Brian Fitzgibbons, did you hear that? So

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Speaker 1: the only witness that sees him going into the woods

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Speaker 1: with a sweatpants, sweatshirt, sweatpants gun is somebody from within

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Speaker 1: the family, because that's a family lawyer. I'm extrapolating here.

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Speaker 1: Brian Fitzgibbons, Director Operations USPA Nationwide Security, leading teams of

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Speaker 1: investigators across the world, trying to find missing people, Brian,

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Speaker 1: consider the source. So the police are on the way,

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Speaker 1: They've already fired one person has been either laid off

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Speaker 1: what their connection is. And now they're on the way

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Speaker 7: That's certainly a big question, right because when the source

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Speaker 7: Difficult, a difficult search to conduct.

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Speaker 1: You know, Brian Fitzgibbons, I'm very curious about the efforts

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Speaker 1: find him. That's concerning. It suggests he didn't go that way.

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Speaker 1: But back to what happened, Listen.

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Speaker 3: Turner's disappearance days before his team's playoff game is now

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Speaker 3: even more shocking. The coaches wanted on five counts of

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Speaker 3: possessing child pornography, five counts of using a computer to

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Speaker 1: Back to Samantha Allen joining US WCYB, explain to me

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Speaker 1: what the charges are exactly.

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Speaker 4: So the charges are the five counts of child pornography

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Speaker 4: and five counts of soliciting a minor using a computer.

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Speaker 4: Those are the only charges that have been announced to us.

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Speaker 4: They say pending. There's charges pending according to the Virginia

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Speaker 4: State Police, but we do not know what that entails.

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Speaker 4: And last we heard is that they're having that five

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Speaker 4: thousand dollars award from the US Marshal if someone finds him.

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Speaker 1: Our brand joining us now for Senior inspector with the

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Speaker 1: US Marshall Service International Investigations Branch. He's traveled all around

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Speaker 1: the world looking four fugitives, and he is now the

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Speaker 1: author of a hit series on Amazon. Jack solo mysteries.

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Speaker 1: The last one going solo the Gospel of Luke Who.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to read that one, IRV. Brandt. I'm

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Speaker 1: very curious about the search for him and the likelihood

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Speaker 1: just kick it off with you about this reward. There

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Speaker 1: is an urgent update from the US Marshall Service. They

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Speaker 1: are now offering a five thousand dollars reward for information

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Speaker 1: Guys, you were looking at coach Travis Turner undefeated. Okay,

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Speaker 1: reporter Dave mac Dave Okay. Hold on coach Turner. Travis Turner,

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Speaker 10: Well, Nancy, you have everything exactly right. The frustrating part

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Speaker 1: So this is a dynasty and it goes way far

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Speaker 1: Bethanymarshall dot com. Doctor Bethany, This is going to be

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Speaker 1: a hard nut to crack. You know why, because when

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Speaker 5: I agree with you, Nancy. The whole community is probably

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Speaker 1: To Mark Tate joining us high profile defense lawyer with

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Speaker 1: the Tate Law Group, Mark Tate, this is a defense

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Speaker 10: Well, you've got an investigation going, that's the whole point.

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Speaker 1: of childhorn and five charges regarding soliciting a minor on

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Speaker 1: a computer for sex, those are police charges. For instance.

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Speaker 1: You know, Samantha Allen, you and I get into bar fight.

436
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Speaker 1: I crack you on the head with a bottle. First

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Speaker 1: of all, police arrest me on charges of aggravators saw

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Speaker 1: with a broken bottle. That's the first thing. Then it

439
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Speaker 1: goes to a grand jury where they hear evidence and

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Speaker 1: they issue a formal indictment. So the charges we're talking

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Speaker 1: about tonight are police charges. Is that correct?

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Speaker 4: Yes? Yes, it's done investiation, it's still ongoing.

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Speaker 1: Now I want to talk to you about a subtle

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Speaker 1: but critical discrepancy. We are now being told through the

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Speaker 1: family lawyer that Turner, excuse me, undefeated football coach Travis

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00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 1: Turner goes into the woods and sweatsuit and a gun.

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Speaker 1: But isn't it true on the police report there was

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Speaker 1: no mention of a gun.

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Speaker 4: Yes, so the police report just says grace sweatshirt, graceweatpants,

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Speaker 4: and glasses. And then we hear throughout rumors throughout the

451
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Speaker 4: whole entire week that he was carrying a firearmy he

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Speaker 4: went into the woods. Then we get a statement from

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Speaker 4: the attorney that was released saying nothing about what he

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Speaker 4: was wearing. Just yes, he walked into the woods with

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Speaker 4: a firearm. The firearm is undisclosed. We don't know what

456
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Speaker 4: he walked in with or who saw him that is

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Speaker 4: not told to us. We have no clue who saw

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Speaker 4: him walk into the woods or where they got the information,

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Speaker 4: and we've asked the attorney for clarification and he's yet

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Speaker 4: to give it to us.

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Speaker 1: Brian Fitzgibbons, don't you think that that as a critical

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Speaker 1: fact that was not in the police report. Why was

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Speaker 1: it not in the police report? I don't believe it's

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Speaker 1: because police forgot. I don't believe they were told about

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Speaker 1: the gun at the get go.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that certainly would be the case, because you know,

467
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Speaker 7: all too often, especially when you're searching for a fugitive,

468
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Speaker 7: police are going to release information that somebody is expected

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Speaker 7: to be armed, you know, so the public is aware

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Speaker 7: of that. So I would think that if it were

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Speaker 7: included to police on the outset, that that would have

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Speaker 7: been initially reported by police.

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Speaker 1: I mean, IRV Brandt, you're the former senior inspector with

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Speaker 1: the US Marshall Service International Investigations. For Pete's sake, isn't

475
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Speaker 1: that an important fact that you would want the public

476
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Speaker 1: to note at the very beginning. Don't approach this guy.

477
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Speaker 1: He's armed.

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Speaker 8: Yes, Nancy, that's exactly right. Determining the suspect's potent potential

479
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Speaker 8: for violence and public safety is foremost in law enforcement

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Speaker 8: efforts and conducting a fugitive investigation, and we always warn

481
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Speaker 8: the public not to approach a fugitive. I mean, even

482
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Speaker 8: if there is no indication of a firearm, it's safer

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Speaker 8: to assume that someone has access to a firearm, and

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Speaker 8: we don't want the general public to endanger their lives

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Speaker 8: while trying to assist law enforcement.

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Speaker 3: The United States Marshall Service joins the hunt for Still,

487
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Speaker 3: listed as a missing person having last been seen November twentieth.

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Speaker 3: The Marshall Service is offering a reward of up to

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Speaker 3: five thousand dollars. Tips can be reported to nine one one,

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Speaker 3: the Virginia State Police, the United States Marshall Service one

491
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Speaker 3: eight seven seven Wanted two, or online US marshalls dot

492
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Speaker 3: gov forward slash tips. Authorities said he may be armed,

493
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Speaker 3: so caution is advised. Travis Turner's biggest fan and supporter

494
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 3: is his wife, Leslie. Or Facebook page is a place

495
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Speaker 3: where Union High football fans gather online to get updates

496
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Speaker 3: on the team. Leslie regularly encourages the team on her page,

497
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Speaker 3: including one post five days before Turner disappeared game day.

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Speaker 3: Good luck to my guys today and to all of

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Speaker 3: Union's football team and coaches. After Turner vanishes, Leslie posts,

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Speaker 3: I just wanted to get on here for a second

501
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Speaker 3: to clear up something. As of right now, ten twenty

502
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Speaker 3: five pm on Friday night, Travis is missing and that's

503
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Speaker 3: all we know. We love him and need him here

504
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,959
Speaker 3: with us. Thank you to everyone who has reached out

505
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 3: out with love and support. It means more than you know.

506
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 3: Just keep praying that he comes home. The post was deleted.

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Speaker 3: A short time later.

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Speaker 1: The mom his wife, Leslie, the mother of his three children,

509
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: posting about Turner vanishing, but then she deletes that and

510
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: says this.

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Speaker 3: As the search for Travis Turner continues, wife Leslie shuts

512
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Speaker 3: down her social media and has only made one public

513
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Speaker 3: comment saying none of that is true. He's a good

514
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Speaker 3: dad and a good husband and we want him home.

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Speaker 1: That's it. I want to talk about the search, the

516
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Speaker 1: ongoing search for football coach, the undefeated coach, Travis Turner,

517
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Speaker 1: But first I want to understand the charges five counts

518
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Speaker 1: of child porn, five counts using computer to solicit a minor.

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Speaker 1: First of all, he has been referred to as the

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Speaker 1: perv coach, the pedo co coach. But to doctor Bethany

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Speaker 1: Marshall explain to me, desire a guy in his position

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Speaker 1: working with children would have to see children being abused, molested,

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Speaker 1: or children naked.

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Speaker 5: Well, he's going to have a very specific offending pattern

525
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 5: which will come out in the grand jury and when

526
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 5: we learn more about this story. But usually pedophiles, if

527
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:26,959
Speaker 5: the allegations are true, generally like pre pubescent children, and

528
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Speaker 5: when the children turn thirteen or fourteen, they age out,

529
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Speaker 5: they're no longer desirable or they like to have power

530
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Speaker 5: over miners, and then that's a part of the offending pattern.

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Speaker 5: Imagining that a fourteen, fifteen or sixteen year old girl

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Speaker 5: or boy could be a boyfriend or a girlfriend. But

533
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Speaker 5: what happens with these perpetrators is that they can only

534
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Speaker 5: become sexually aroused through relationships with children, right, So they

535
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Speaker 5: want to see children naked, They want to see children

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Speaker 5: maybe in the showers, in the locker room, they want

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Speaker 5: to pass in around And what happens is they need

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00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 5: more and more to stimulate their arousal, So the images

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00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 5: become more and more sensationalized, so they might start out

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Speaker 5: just with a picture of a baby or a picture

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Speaker 5: of a miner, and then they want to see a

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Speaker 5: miner having sex with another miner, and then it just

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Speaker 5: sort of escalates from there. I think probably what happened

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Speaker 5: in this case similar likes. Let's say Robert Morris, who

545
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Speaker 5: was a pastor, he founded Gateway Church. He blested children

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Speaker 5: for years, okay, he predated on miners, and all the

547
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Speaker 5: deacons in the church surrounded him and protected him. And

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Speaker 5: it took one girl that he molested in the eighties

549
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Speaker 5: who came out last year wrote a letter and exposed him.

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Speaker 5: And she got the threats from the deacons in the

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Speaker 5: church because she wanted to expose him, but she was brave.

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Speaker 5: She went forward, she did expose him, and now he's

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Speaker 5: left the church and you know, has been brought upon

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Speaker 5: charges and all.

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Speaker 1: I'm very curious to Bethany, mister, whether this inclination starts

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Speaker 1: early on. It's very difficult when you have a famous,

557
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Speaker 1: even just locally famous icon charged any case like this.

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Speaker 1: And let me refer everyone to the hit reality series

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Speaker 1: Nineteen Kids and Counting. Remember the Dugger family that had

560
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Speaker 1: I think it ended up with like twenty children okay,

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Speaker 1: listen to this.

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Speaker 11: Our son Josh came to us on his own and

563
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Speaker 11: he was crying, and he had just turned fourteen, and

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Speaker 11: he said that he had actually improperly touched some of

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Speaker 11: our daughters. He said he was just curious about girls,

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Speaker 11: and he had gone in and just basically touched them

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Speaker 11: over their clothes while they were sleeping. They didn't even

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Speaker 11: know he had done it. None of the victims were

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Speaker 11: aware of what happened until Joshua confessed.

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Speaker 4: And then it wasn't like we.

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Speaker 11: Were keeping a secret afraid or then it was we

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Speaker 11: didn't know until josh explained to my parents.

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Speaker 1: That from the Kelly file. Now that was when Douger

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Speaker 1: was fourteen years old. Nothing was done, all right, it

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Speaker 1: was swept under the rug. And then fast forward a

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Speaker 1: few years.

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Speaker 12: This we were able to get from this IP address

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Speaker 12: one specific video of child pornography and one folder containing

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Speaker 12: approximately sixty five images of child pornography from a specific

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Speaker 12: IP address. We served a federal summons for that IP address.

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Speaker 12: That IP address came back to Ozark's Go okay with

582
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Speaker 12: a subscriber of Josh A dugerm with cell phone. I'm

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Speaker 12: assuming that personal cell phone with that email address that

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Speaker 12: you just mentioned.

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Speaker 1: So, doctor Methanie, it started that we know of of

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Speaker 1: him molesting his sisters at fourteen, that's when we find

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Speaker 1: out about it. And then fast forward when he's got

588
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Speaker 1: a wife and a family, he's downloading child porn. Sound familiar.

589
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,919
Speaker 1: So does this start when you're a child? Yes, it does.

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Speaker 5: Pedophilia is considered like a fixed arousal pattern that is

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00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 5: there from birth. Now, it's hard to really measure because

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Speaker 5: children under the age of five, six or seven don't

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Speaker 5: draw sexual images, don't talk about sex, so it doesn't

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Speaker 5: really emerge until later in life. But you know, the

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Speaker 5: most common age of a child molester is age thirteen,

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Speaker 5: and Josh Dugger was fourteen at this point. And the

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Speaker 5: reason for that is that's when they become aware of sex,

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Speaker 5: and that's when they begin to molest, and that's when

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Speaker 5: they have access to siblings, to classmates, to things like that.

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Speaker 5: But see we see again here that the community protected

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Speaker 5: him and he went on to molest even.

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Speaker 1: More well, speaking of the community protecting him and someone

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Speaker 1: being famous, who's she child a luster? Do I even

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Speaker 1: have to say? Former Subway Sandwich pitch man Jared Fogel

605
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Speaker 1: listen to Fogel caught on tape.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, middove the middle school girl.

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Speaker 1: Starting to you know, yeah, because you know how much

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Speaker 1: I love you.

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Speaker 11: I love you.

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Speaker 1: Guys. Did you hear Jared Fogel, the subway pitch guy.

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Speaker 1: He lost two hundred and forty five pounds eating nothing

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Speaker 1: but subway sandwiches and appeared in like three hundred subway commercials. Superstar. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: especially at some of the middle school I love middle schools.

614
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Speaker 1: The girls are just starting to get boobs, because you

615
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Speaker 1: know how much I love big boobs. You know, I

616
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Speaker 1: love huge tits. If I heard my son say the

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Speaker 1: word tit, I don't care if he's six foot six,

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Speaker 1: I would wash his mouth out with soap. And he

619
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Speaker 1: goes on and on. Just paid plage. A little snippet

620
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Speaker 1: of this perv Jared Foegel, the doggers what they and

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Speaker 1: now this coach, who, by the way, is innocent until

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Speaker 1: proven guilty. I want to talk about the search to

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Speaker 1: IRV Brandt, joining US former Senior Inspector US Marshall Service

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Speaker 1: International Investigations Branch. Do you remember the glam yoga coach?

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Speaker 1: Remember her, Caitlin Armstrong. She murdered a world class dirt

626
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Speaker 1: bike rider, gorgeous young girl. Yeah, there's the yoga instructor

627
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Speaker 1: right there, and she was spotted on airport video and

628
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Speaker 1: it was totally her. Oh there you go with her

629
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Speaker 1: yoga mat ding ding ding. It's me, everybody here, I

630
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Speaker 1: am the yoga instructor with a yoga mat. So I

631
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Speaker 1: guess the first thing you do is go to the

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Speaker 1: airport's IRV.

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Speaker 8: That's exactly right, Nancy. And as you were talking about

634
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Speaker 8: this was the first case that came to mind was

635
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Speaker 8: Armstrong case. When you start a fugitive investigation, you don't

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Speaker 8: start it on any assumptions an unreliable witness saying that,

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Speaker 8: I mean, you investigate all possible leads, of course, but

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Speaker 8: you don't, you know, concentrate your entire efforts. You're going

639
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 8: to put out the bolos to different states. You're going

640
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 8: to flag passports, you're gonna check dls, You're going to

641
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:34,240
Speaker 8: look for all vehicles associated with the suspect and also

642
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 8: the suspects family and also the suspects friends to see

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Speaker 8: if any of gone missing. And just like in the

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Speaker 8: Armstrong case, it wasn't her passport that they found had

645
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 8: left the country. It was her sister's passport that had

646
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Speaker 8: left the country and she was still in the country.

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Speaker 8: So it's very similar the cases. The way it's conducted

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00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 8: goes along those same lines. You're gonna look for financial means,

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Speaker 8: You're gonna search for tags on known vehicles. Uh, you're

650
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Speaker 8: gonna you're gonna use every investigative tool that you have

651
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 8: conducting this, uh, search locally than nationally, righting eventually internationally.

652
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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, in a way to do that to BRYANUS

653
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: Gibbons from USPA Nationwide Security. I want to find out this.

654
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: Has he used his ATM? When was the last time

655
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 1: he used his ATM? Where did he use it? Do

656
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: I have a picture? How much did he withdraw? Did

657
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 1: he do repeat withdraws? Because you know some ATMs you

658
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: can only get, say two hundred dollars at a crack.

659
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 1: Did he go into a line of credit to get

660
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 1: more money? Has he used his credit cards? Where is

661
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 1: his car? Has he used a rental car? Did he

662
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:01,320
Speaker 1: get a rental car even in a joining county beyond

663
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Speaker 1: Wise County? Do we have video? What about license plate grabbers?

664
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Speaker 1: I haven't heard a word about his car being missing.

665
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: That tells me he's not in his car. He may

666
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: be in another car. And also this search if they

667
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:26,720
Speaker 1: have brought out drones, cadaver dogs, scent dogs, everything, shoulder

668
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 1: to shoulder searches, you name it, that tells me he

669
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: wasn't in the woods to start with. So where is he?

670
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:35,959
Speaker 1: He's not on foot, I can tell you that much.

671
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: He's not hiding out at somebody's house a sympathizer. So

672
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: where is he? Where do we start? Kneel in a haystack?

673
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 7: Well, what IRV Brandt just brought up is a very

674
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 7: pression point here. The financial means that Travis Turner has

675
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 7: are probably not great. So this, you know, how is

676
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 7: he going to access funding to be on the run

677
00:42:57,960 --> 00:42:58,439
Speaker 7: for law?

678
00:42:58,600 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: Put him up?

679
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 7: So that's that's something.

680
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: You haven't heard of. A line of credit. I get

681
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: a line of credit on your checking account. You can

682
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: get one hundred grand out of a line of credit

683
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: and be gone.

684
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

685
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Speaker 7: I just think that you know that this was an emergent. Uh,

686
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 7: you know, he was tipped off that they were coming

687
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 7: to his house to speak to him. That this wasn't

688
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 7: a planned escape so to speak. So I think that

689
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 7: this happened very quickly. I think that's gonna be Yeah,

690
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 7: who knew that they were coming out there to speak

691
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 7: to him? Who knew that law enforcement was on the way. Uh,

692
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 7: they're certainly going to have some cell phone records that

693
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 7: are available for who called and text communicated with his phone?

694
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 7: And I think that they will uncover that in the

695
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 7: in the coming.

696
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 1: Days here, Okay, I think correct me if I'm wrong,

697
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 1: saman The close airport is in Appalachia, Virginia, the Tri

698
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: City's regional airport that's in Blountville, Tennessee. Is that right

699
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: fifty nine miles away?

700
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 4: Yes? Yes, that is the closest airport.

701
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 1: To get from his home to there. That's about at

702
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: least an hour drive. How did he get there? If

703
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:26,720
Speaker 1: that's where he went. I don't see him flying, because

704
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: wouldn't we have a register of that earth brand when

705
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,959
Speaker 1: you've already been spotted if you had taken a plane.

706
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 8: It depends on the flight, Nancy. Of course, when you're

707
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 8: flying domestically, all you need is a government ID. Then

708
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 8: you investigators could check with TSA to see if he

709
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 8: used a valid government ID to get into the airport.

710
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 8: If he flew internationally, of course there'd be a record

711
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 8: of that in texts. The Treasury Reinforcement.

712
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,399
Speaker 1: I don't see him flying, do you If I think

713
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 1: he's somewhere else, I don't think you took a flight.

714
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 8: I would not know, Nancy, like your other guests has said,

715
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:15,280
Speaker 8: it doesn't seem like this was planned out in advance.

716
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,720
Speaker 8: It was something that happened at the spur of the moment.

717
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 8: So most fugitives are going to avoid places where there's camera, security,

718
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 8: police officers, and there's hardly any place in the country

719
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 8: that has more cameras and more police and more security

720
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 8: than an airport, and especially an international airport.

721
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, Samantha Allen, what's the temperature? What's your low

722
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: overnight in that area?

723
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 4: Oh gosh, it is like it's probably reached about twenty

724
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 4: six degrees and it is we got cold happening, so

725
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,479
Speaker 4: it's like freezing cold rain.

726
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 1: So he is not out in the woods roughing it.

727
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,240
Speaker 1: I don't need to find out if he has taken

728
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:05,240
Speaker 1: camping gear with him. He's somewhere else. He's probably hold

729
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: up at a local hotel, motel, hiding out not too close,

730
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: not too close, which means he's got help. Brian Fitzgibbons,

731
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 1: they better have a tap on everybody's phone because you

732
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 1: know Daddy's called home.

733
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:26,240
Speaker 7: Yeah, certainly. And one piece that I want to add here, Nancy,

734
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 7: that I think we haven't really covered too much. These

735
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 7: charges are umbrella terms that are going to be standard

736
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 7: for any time someone's charged with possession of explicit child material.

737
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 7: So this could have been something he found online, but

738
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 7: I think it may be more likely that it's somebody

739
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 7: from that high school, right, So investigators are going to

740
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 7: be on it could have been a text message exchange

741
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 7: or things like that. So investigators are going to be

742
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,359
Speaker 7: unraveling a weave of a network of people that knew

743
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 7: about this, that have communicated about it. So in the

744
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 7: coming days, I think we're gonna learn more about exactly

745
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 7: what type of material it was, what the origin was,

746
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 7: and that network could shed some light on where.

747
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Gray Mark tay, you know what

748
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: the defense is going to be because it's really hard

749
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: to argue that's not my computer in my office behind

750
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: the locked door. He's going to have to say, oh,

751
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 1: it just popped up. You know, in all the years

752
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: that I do research, I've never had child porn pop up,

753
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: not once.

754
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 6: It's not a very good defense and I think possibly

755
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 6: they're going to have to if he ever gets in

756
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 6: dieted it ever is found, I think that a more

757
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 6: creative approach is going to have to possibly be found

758
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 6: and maybe find a way to cross examine the forensic

759
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 6: folks who are going to have found this material and

760
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 6: say other people had passwords, so that maybe show other

761
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 6: people had access to the computer at work. But I

762
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:15,399
Speaker 6: think it's found on your computer. You have to find

763
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,359
Speaker 6: something else. Then it just popped up because it just

764
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,839
Speaker 6: doesn't work that way, and the forensic folks find that.

765
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 6: And I know this because we've found this kind of

766
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:28,760
Speaker 6: material as I've mentioned before in civil matters against Catholic

767
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 6: priests and rabbis and pediatricians, and so it happens, and

768
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:37,879
Speaker 6: it does not just pop up on your computer. It's

769
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 6: an active search. The searches are traceable, and so that

770
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 6: defense is a failure. But again, this guy is still

771
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:48,320
Speaker 6: wandering and everybody's focused on airports and now type of

772
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 6: security is there, Nancy, But there's an amtract station in Bristol,

773
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 6: and those avenues amtrack are far less secure than an airplane.

774
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 6: But all of it gets back to getting in indicted

775
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 6: and then getting him in front of a jury with

776
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 6: a lawyer who can craft something to have one juror

777
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 6: say I've got a reason to doubt these charges. It's

778
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 6: going to be an.

779
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:14,919
Speaker 1: Interesting Right about Amtrak.

780
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 6: I look forward to.

781
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 1: It, and Amtrak is cheap and you don't have to

782
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 1: go through a lot of security. I don't know that

783
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: you even have to show ID to buy a ticket

784
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 1: in cash. You can go ticket am track. Yeah, all

785
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,359
Speaker 1: the way across the country, of course, which would leave

786
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 1: somewhat of a trail if they've got video surveillance in

787
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 1: the Amtrak station. But you could go all the way

788
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: across the country for under two hundred dollars without a trail,

789
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 1: a trail that you would leave at the airport. But

790
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 1: you know, Mark take this is not the first time

791
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: Union High School has had to deal with sex allegations

792
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 1: against a coach or teacher.

793
00:49:56,719 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 6: Right, that's exactly right. I think that's fascinating. That's the

794
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 6: kind of thing obviously that plaintiffs lawyer, a lawyer pursuing

795
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 6: civil remedies for this kind of thing looks to. And

796
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:12,320
Speaker 6: this high school has this fellow, another football coach, Timothy

797
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:17,839
Speaker 6: Lee Metter, who pled guilty or was convicted of child solicitation,

798
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 6: of soliciting a minor for sexual or inappropriate purposes. So

799
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 6: it's not the first time that that Union High school

800
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 6: has had a problem, and you know there may be

801
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 6: a deeper issue involved. Obviously that's something that should and

802
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 6: will be investigated. What exactly is going on there? Why

803
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 6: is this a repeat situation? The Metter guy was about

804
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:44,399
Speaker 6: twenty years younger than the actual head coach. But there's

805
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 6: something bizarre at that high school from my viewpoint, trying

806
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 6: to hold people accountable other than this man who has disappeared.

807
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 1: And you know, another thing about what you're saying, Mark

808
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 1: is the same lawyer, this same lawyer who represented Timothy Matter,

809
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 1: the previous coach, last teacher at the same high school

810
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 1: that pled guilty to indi cent liberties with the minor.

811
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 1: He got a light sentence about a year and three

812
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 1: months and then he was out free. He gets a

813
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 1: slap on the wrist, same high school. And now this

814
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 1: happens and within the same school district, which is Wise County,

815
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 1: the same county. There's another guy, a teacher arrested on

816
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: three counts carnal knowledge. That was Tyler J. Tibbs, a

817
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 1: social studies teacher at Coburn Middle so you know, doctor

818
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall. That makes it worse as far as the

819
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 1: Union high goes, because they should have been on high

820
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 1: alert after Meadows.

821
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 5: Yes, they should have. There's two kinds of cultures when

822
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 5: it comes to these kinds of crimes. A culture who

823
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 5: supports the children and a culture like what we saw

824
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 5: in the Catholic Church who supports the adults and cannot

825
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 5: believe that a child molester is a child molester. But Nancy,

826
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 5: I want to go back to him being a fugitive.

827
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 5: I am going to guess if the family hired the

828
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:13,919
Speaker 5: same attorney that they knew that there was an investigation

829
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 5: going on, that the family was talking about this, and

830
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 5: the family probably has information on dad, father spouse on

831
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 5: whether or not he was making any preparations that were

832
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 5: unusual or out of the ordinary for him, like as

833
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 5: you said, getting cash, Was he talking about other states

834
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 5: anything like that. They could be a treasure trove of information.

835
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 1: As we go to air tonight, football coach Travis Turner

836
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 1: is presumed innocent. His team has gone on to win again.

837
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 1: They remain undefeated even in his absence. If you know

838
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:59,319
Speaker 1: or think you know anything about what happened. If you

839
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 1: know a child that may have been a victim, if

840
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 1: you know where he is or where he's headed, if

841
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 1: you think you've seen him, please call Virginia State Police

842
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:14,760
Speaker 1: two seven six four eight four nine four eight three,

843
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: or you can always call the US Marshall Service one

844
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:23,320
Speaker 1: eight seven seven wanted. That's one eight seven seven nine

845
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 1: two six eight three three two. There was a five

846
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 1: thousand dollars reward for Travis Turner. And now we remember

847
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 1: an American Hero Guard Member Sarah Bestrom West Virginia National Guard,

848
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 1: just twenty years old, shot in the line of duty,

849
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 1: leaving behind her grieving father Gary. American Hero Guard Member

850
00:53:50,040 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 1: Sarah Beckstrom. Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend,