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Speaker 1: Joining me now is somebody who quite a bit of

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Speaker 1: Thought it would be an interesting conversation with somebody more

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Speaker 3: And what I find I wrote, I gave a commencement

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Speaker 3: the Times and always investigative pieces. Bob Wouldward owned a

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Speaker 3: piece of my newspaper, so he nominated me for a

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Speaker 3: pulz er anybody by the way, but it sounded good

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Speaker 3: when I was at city halls of press. I used

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Speaker 3: to be obsessed with the fact that each reporter has

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Speaker 3: their own, their own context, that they live in that

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Speaker 3: cultivation bias. But yet you're holding me accountable in a

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Speaker 3: pseudo objective way. We believe all the news that's you know,

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Speaker 3: but no one's actually revealing your bias. I used to

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Speaker 3: be a assessed by shouldn't there be a way in

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Speaker 3: which I could look into your bib your backgrounds, I

447
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Speaker 3: can assess whether or not you bring some type of

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Speaker 3: bias to the table. Now, well the other direction.

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Speaker 1: But I would argue this, and this is where I

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Speaker 1: just don't accept the premise of I think bias is

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Speaker 1: the wrong part of this conversation to have, right because

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Speaker 1: we're born you just you said it earlier in this conversation.

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Speaker 1: We're all born with original bias. Who you're born to,

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Speaker 1: where you're born, your circumstances, your geography, your socioeconomic status,

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Speaker 1: color of your skin, all of that is original bias.

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Speaker 1: All right, And it's just the life you lead, where

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Speaker 1: you grow up, how you grew up, It just, you know.

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Speaker 1: So I always want to know where somebody, I always

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Speaker 1: want to know where you grew up and how you

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Speaker 1: grew up that I have an idea of the different

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Speaker 1: biases that may have contributed to your political worldview. I

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Speaker 1: sort of get it, you know. I do my best

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Speaker 1: to try to be transparent about I. You know, I

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Speaker 1: always say I was lucky enough to grow up and

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Speaker 1: household where my parents canceled each other's.

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Speaker 2: Vote out and talked about it.

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Speaker 1: So I heard the conversation that they had about Reagan

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Speaker 1: versus Carter, and I remember it very intuitively. And my

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Speaker 1: mother just couldn't bring herself to vote for Reagan. Thought

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Speaker 1: Carter had to go. So she writes in Gerald Ford,

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Speaker 1: my father's a big Reagan guy. But hearing the conversation

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Speaker 1: and then reading about it later as an adult, you

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Speaker 1: realized that was the conversation of many voters were having.

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Speaker 1: It was sort of like they knew Carter needed to

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Speaker 1: be fired. They just weren't comfortable yet handing the reins

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Speaker 1: to Reagan, and they were trying to figure that out.

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Speaker 2: And it is so I grew up I was.

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Speaker 1: I always say I was lucky to grow up hearing

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Speaker 1: those conversations, so at least understanding how my parents were

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Speaker 1: a microcosm of a debate about that. But you know,

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Speaker 1: as far as bias and a reporter, to me, it's

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Speaker 1: not about bias. Every reporter is going to have a bias.

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Speaker 1: Are they fair? I think fairness is the only That's

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Speaker 1: why I never accepted the premise of fair and balanced.

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Speaker 2: You can't balance the truth. All you can do is

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Speaker 2: be fair. Are you a.

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Speaker 1: Jerk to boat everybody that's the press secretary to the mayor?

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Speaker 1: You know those reporters. Some reporters are just irascible, right,

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Speaker 1: They're just going to be a pest no matter who

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Speaker 1: which side of the aisle they come from. And then

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Speaker 1: there are those that get in the tank, and you

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Speaker 1: know who those are pretty quickly too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I think we're saying the same thing. But

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Speaker 3: I was saying twenty five years ago, the idea that

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Speaker 3: somehow a context, let's not call bias, let's call this

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Speaker 3: your framework. Wherever you grow up at the environment sure

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Speaker 3: influenced how you chose the lead or how you chose

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Speaker 3: The first quote was sort of rejected. Back there, that's like,

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Speaker 3: you know that there was some theoretical objectivity about writing,

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Speaker 3: which is impossible to obtain. And now I think the

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Speaker 3: pendulum has gone so far the other way that we

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Speaker 3: can't trust anything, which I don't think is the right view.

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Speaker 3: The right view is we should assess how you've chosen

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Speaker 3: to present those facts and understand that you have your

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Speaker 3: own implicit context that's shaping how you write an article.

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Speaker 3: Now we've gone well, now we can't trust anything, which

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Speaker 3: I completely reject. But back then it was interesting saying

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Speaker 3: you couldn't have the debate that somehow are you the

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Speaker 3: way you chose that first quote might have been influenced

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Speaker 3: by your background.

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Speaker 1: Now you're right and it's true and you get that,

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Speaker 1: and then the question becomes and I always say this

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Speaker 1: about covering a story or covering a person. Right, there

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Speaker 1: was this debate about plat, you know, deplatforming Trump, which

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Speaker 1: I think when if I were to say, what did

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Speaker 1: legacy media, why did they essentially knock themselves out right?

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Speaker 1: And I always believe this was a self inflicted wound

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Speaker 1: in this respect, deep platforming Trump was couldn't have been more,

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Speaker 1: you know, couldn't have been a bigger mistake. And I

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Speaker 1: thought it internally, I thought it externally because it sort

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Speaker 1: of got to this. It it sort of the voters

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Speaker 1: decided to platform these people, right, You as a reporter,

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Speaker 1: are there to explain what's happening, to tell people what's happening.

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Speaker 1: But hey, the voters have done this. And if you

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Speaker 1: don't accept the PREMI as a political reporter, that you

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Speaker 1: know so and so is important because the voters have

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Speaker 1: decided it is, then you don't accept the premise of

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Speaker 1: the democracy.

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Speaker 3: Which is amazing. I never would have thought, I mean,

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Speaker 3: you were similar ages that we could have such a

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Speaker 3: shift in the collective way we express ourselves and social norms.

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Speaker 1: And these are the algorithms. To me, it's the algorithms

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Speaker 1: that have destroyed us. I mean, to constantly feed people.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you strike me as somebody that probably sought

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Speaker 1: out you want contradictory information, I do. The tech companies

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Speaker 1: make it impossible to get contradictory information that isn't sort

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Speaker 1: of overly contradictory, right, It isn't well thought out contradictions.

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Speaker 1: It's just almost partisan contradictions. It's very hard to get

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Speaker 1: a more balanced view because I can't curate what I want.

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Speaker 1: The algorithms keep trying to curate what they think I

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Speaker 1: want because I match some profile. That is what I

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Speaker 1: think has been so destructive to the trust of the

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Speaker 1: of the media.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's true. If you're on Twitter, I mean that's

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Speaker 3: your whole existence, right, you could see where you're spending

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Speaker 3: your time.

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Speaker 1: I want Elon Musk needs to get off his own platform.

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Speaker 1: You know, if you spend only your time on there,

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Speaker 1: you think the world is on the brink of a

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Speaker 1: civil war every night.

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Speaker 3: It's true.

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Speaker 1: Get off of online and you realize now most people

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Speaker 1: are pretty comfortable living in this country. They're basically pretty

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Speaker 1: you know, they're you know, they wish the economy were

555
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Speaker 1: more even, and they wish a lot of things. But

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Speaker 1: we're not ready to pull guns on each other. But

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Speaker 1: that's not the way it feels on Twitter sometimes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I have a new approach, by the way, which

559
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Speaker 3: has really been helpful for how I approach both business

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Speaker 3: and my sanity. Is that ideal after I check in

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Speaker 3: on it, so I have to go through the extra

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Speaker 3: step of reinstalling it, which has been so healthy productivity

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Speaker 3: wise and otherwise. Because to your point, it was I

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Speaker 3: couldn't tell what's real? Or are we on the brink,

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Speaker 3: you know, or are we as Kim Kardashian launching a

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Speaker 3: new you know, sweatpants on skins, Like it's like what's reality?

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Speaker 3: So I literally deal everything? But LinkedIn LinkedIn is like

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Speaker 3: eating vegetables and lima beans all day, like it's not

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Speaker 3: going to hurt you.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's funny you say that because LinkedIn

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Speaker 1: has become a fairly trusted space, and I've been interested

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Speaker 1: as to why that is. And I think the users

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Speaker 1: of LinkedIn don't want it to become like X. And

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Speaker 1: I think LinkedIn at least those folks realize, hey, be careful,

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Speaker 1: don't overserve people what they want here, or you might

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Speaker 1: create yet another Instagram or another X or another Facebook

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Speaker 1: that just divides and that isn't what the LinkedIn community wants.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and to your point, now, you don't get the extremes,

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Speaker 3: which is good, but you also don't get any toxic toxicity.

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Speaker 2: No, it doesn't.

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Speaker 1: Well, let me get back to your world of entrepreneurship

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Speaker 1: and you it is you've had more of a background

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Speaker 1: in sports than any other sector of business.

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Speaker 2: Or is that am I overreading?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 3: It is I can give you a quick for the audience.

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Speaker 3: So I've had a crazy career of business and that

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Speaker 3: I partnered up after running the Jets, and then I

589
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Speaker 3: ran the Dolphins as a vice chair. So I ran

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Speaker 3: two NFL teams in one capacity at least off the field.

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Speaker 2: For career post So you worked for Woody Johnson? Did

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Speaker 2: you work for Steve Ross?

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Speaker 3: Well, I have this philosophy and for anyone listening is like,

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Speaker 3: never put yourself in a box. So as a kid

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Speaker 3: who grew up in a certain box right abject poverty,

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Speaker 3: total dysfunction, I had to get out of that box,

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Speaker 3: and government was my path. What's great about government is

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Speaker 3: it has a bias towards young people because then it's

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Speaker 3: dumb enough to work these hours and they believe too. Finally,

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Speaker 3: like you know that the cause matters and you know

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Speaker 3: whatever it takes. So I put in those crazy hours.

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Speaker 3: But in fairness, government didn't judge me for being a

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Speaker 3: poor kid wearing second hand clothes and living in a

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Speaker 3: roach motel. Was I going to put in the hours

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Speaker 3: and that was my first path out. So that was

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Speaker 3: one box. I knew that if I didn't transcend from

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Speaker 3: being a press secretary, ID always be the press guy.

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Speaker 3: But as you know, Chalk, the press guy or girl

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Speaker 3: ends up running a lot of the power. Right, they

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Speaker 3: have a lot more power than you would ever believe.

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Speaker 2: More now and not at first.

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Speaker 1: Boy, when I first started covering politic ninety two was

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Speaker 1: my first campaign professionally, and the press shops were definitely.

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Speaker 3: Down.

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Speaker 1: The totem pole rights were held in higher esteem, the

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Speaker 1: media consultants were held in higher esteem, the policy person

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Speaker 1: was held I think in the twenty first century that

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Speaker 1: is completely flipped. And I think now the communication side.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, even in business in two thousand, there

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Speaker 1: was probably not a single Fortune five hundred company that

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Speaker 1: had a chief Comms officer that the word Comm's office

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Speaker 1: comms in a C suite title did not exist. Now

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Speaker 1: that a majority of Fortune five hundreds have that title.

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Speaker 1: So I do think we've transitioned to believing that communicating,

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Speaker 1: whether in politics or business, is now a front of

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Speaker 1: you know, brain lob right, it's a frontal lobe necessity

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Speaker 1: in order to succeed.

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Speaker 3: I think that's true so externally, but internally in the

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Speaker 3: Apparasa government, that comms person, if they were good, was

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Speaker 3: all powerful because they had proximity. They have proximity, so

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Speaker 3: I was close to power and I had a power

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Speaker 3: externally though back to your point, it would not be

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Speaker 3: seen as anything. So my whole life is career in

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Speaker 3: business has been about breaking out of the boxes. And

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Speaker 3: the first box was to become an operator. I became

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Speaker 3: chief operating officer of the World Trade Center site, and

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Speaker 3: now I had this new skill of being able to

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Speaker 3: manage complex variables in a land use context in a

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Speaker 3: city of New York, and I use that to join

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Speaker 3: the Jets to run their effort to build a stadium.

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Speaker 3: Now I'm in a new box. I'm in a business guy.

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Speaker 3: I'm running a sports team. And then but my dream

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Speaker 3: was to build businesses from scratch. And then I became

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Speaker 3: partners with Steve Ross, owner of the Dolphins, so left

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Speaker 3: that last skill to run the team, but started doing

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Speaker 3: what I would really want to do was build businesses

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Speaker 3: from scratch. And so now I'm at the end of

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Speaker 3: this journey of Okay, Now I'm a builder. I build businesses,

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Speaker 3: and I've been able to do it in different different

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Speaker 3: contexts communications, but also i'm military of a pretty significant

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Speaker 3: drone company. Now that is very important and it serves

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Speaker 3: the US Army and a bunch of other government agencies

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Speaker 3: that I'm the co founder of. So so it's been

654
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Speaker 3: this constant evolution, but leveraging the last thing I did

655
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Speaker 3: to get out of that box.

656
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Speaker 1: Let me start with the drones, because I think I

657
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Speaker 1: had a long podcast interview with Dexter Filkins, who's one

658
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Speaker 1: of the best war correspondents, living war correspondents that we have,

659
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Speaker 1: always embeds himself in different variety of places. It's just

660
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Speaker 1: one of those a war correspondent is just wired differently

661
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Speaker 1: than most reporters.

662
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Speaker 2: And you know, he wrote a big piece.

663
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Speaker 3: Is a great movies in the Civil War. By the way,

664
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Speaker 3: have you seen it about it War? About war photographers.

665
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Speaker 3: You have to see this.

666
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Speaker 2: Movie a doc a documentary.

667
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Speaker 3: It's a movie. I don't think it did that that well,

668
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Speaker 3: but it's actually fantastic and it covers it's a theoretical

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Speaker 3: you know.

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Speaker 2: Oh, the Civil War movie. I refused to watch it.

671
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Speaker 2: I didn't like.

672
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Speaker 1: I don't well because I think it plays off of

673
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Speaker 1: some cynical stereotypes of our political discourse these days.

674
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Speaker 2: Not the actual but I war a photographer.

675
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Speaker 1: That I yeah, well, what I know what Filkins was

676
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Speaker 1: writing about though, was just like, how much warfare has

677
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Speaker 1: changed just in the three and a half years we've

678
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Speaker 1: been in a hot war between the Russians and the Ukrainians,

679
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Speaker 1: and how that is probably and it's panicking the Pentagon

680
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Speaker 1: at the moment that basically we are prepared for a

681
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Speaker 1: war we'll never fight, but we are not prepared for

682
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Speaker 1: the next war we're going to fight. And it's been

683
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Speaker 1: the acceleration of drone war drone warfare that is really

684
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Speaker 1: catching the Pentagon off guard, and I imagine has been

685
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Speaker 1: a pretty big boom for your business.

686
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Speaker 3: Right we'll tell you the origin story, since we were

687
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Speaker 3: talking about patterns than childhood. But when I partnered with

688
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Speaker 3: Steve Rosby started writing checks into some nascent sports. The

689
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Speaker 3: first check I wrote was into the drone Racing League

690
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Speaker 3: in twenty fifteen, and my partner, who's you know now

691
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Speaker 3: eighty five? And back then it's like, what the hell

692
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Speaker 3: and why is anybody gonna watch flying Robots's fair point,

693
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Speaker 3: But nonetheless took a flyer and as I got closer

694
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Speaker 3: to the technology that way, By.

695
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Speaker 2: The way, two hundred years ago, do you think people said,

696
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Speaker 2: why would anybody want to watch two horses race?

697
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Speaker 1: And eventually it became a thing. Why would anybody want

698
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Speaker 1: to watch two cars race go ahead?

699
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Speaker 3: That was my logic, and also who cares to fly?

700
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Speaker 3: But as I got close to what we were inventing,

701
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Speaker 3: we broke the Guinness Book. We're records for flying a

702
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Speaker 3: drone one hundred miles an hour. We were organizing drone

703
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Speaker 3: races and stadiums, so you had to fly around the crevice,

704
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Speaker 3: you know, make sure there was no latency between the

705
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Speaker 3: drone and the pilots.

706
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Speaker 2: Sounds like the Star Wars prequels.

707
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Speaker 1: It was that you're describing in arenas and stadiums and stuff.

708
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Speaker 3: Getting to the point of the story. Because of my

709
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Speaker 3: pattern recognition and because I was on the ground at

710
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Speaker 3: the World Trade Center site on Church Street looking up

711
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Speaker 3: at that building, I always have had that terror and

712
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Speaker 3: that just intersectional military very clear to me early on

713
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Speaker 3: and my co founders that Pandora's box has been opened,

714
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Speaker 3: and that actually at the time, China was running an

715
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Speaker 3: economic sabotage campaign undermine the entire US drone market. Those

716
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Speaker 3: close to it knew what China was doing. We didn't

717
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Speaker 3: know the ultimate endgame, but completely undermining the US drone market.

718
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Speaker 3: So in twenty seventeen, we started working on standing up

719
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Speaker 3: sub Rosa a company to make sure that we had

720
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Speaker 3: this technology on us soil. Nobody at the time there

721
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Speaker 3: was no market, there was no anything, So we put

722
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Speaker 3: it into all Alabama. We put tens of millions of

723
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Speaker 3: dollars through the value of death, which is the long

724
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Speaker 3: period of time it takes place to win a single contract.

725
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Speaker 3: So my point to you is, I've been living this

726
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Speaker 3: nightmare for a long time, and then Ukraine starts and

727
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Speaker 3: everything changes. So let me bring you forward. Our drunes

728
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Speaker 3: are fitting a rugsack. They can enable a warfire to

729
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Speaker 3: call in their own air support on the edge. It

730
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Speaker 3: does a ton of things. But what's remarkable is how

731
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Speaker 3: incredibly behind our country is and how hard this administration

732
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Speaker 3: has been working to catch up. You could say whatever

733
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Speaker 3: you want politically, but what the Trump administration has tried

734
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Speaker 3: to do in this category is so overdue and so necessary.

735
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Speaker 3: But for the longest time, people just were ignoring it.

736
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Speaker 3: Ukraine has been on the radar for years now, right,

737
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Speaker 3: but there wasn't a lot devoted to it in any

738
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Speaker 3: meaningful way. So when you see the Pentagon scrambling to

739
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Speaker 3: catch up, it's because the need is so urgent, and

740
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Speaker 3: it was going unaddressed, not not entirely. A lot of

741
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Speaker 3: good people in the military were trying to sound the alarm.

742
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Speaker 1: Right, So are we to you know, sort of sort

743
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Speaker 1: of going forward if all warfare is going to be

744
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Speaker 1: to start with, Yeah, I was just going to say,

745
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Speaker 1: we go to robotic war. Of course, the biggest, you know,

746
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Speaker 1: the biggest concern I would have about that, right, is

747
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Speaker 1: the unintended consequence of automating warfare. Does it one allow

748
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Speaker 1: smaller countries to potentially be on equal footing if you're

749
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Speaker 1: essentially just buying robots that's one.

750
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Speaker 2: Two? Does it make if if does it make it

751
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Speaker 2: easier to kill?

752
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Speaker 1: If it looks like a video game, right, which has

753
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Speaker 1: always been a I think of fear that the the

754
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Speaker 1: the drone wars, if you will become sort of almost like,

755
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Speaker 1: you know, life imitating sci fi, right, the Clone wars.

756
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,760
Speaker 1: You know, if the if the damage to humanity is minimal,

757
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Speaker 1: does it increase the likelihood.

758
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Speaker 2: That people go to war?

759
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Speaker 1: Or does it decrease it because there's less casualties war?

760
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Speaker 3: Does it decrease it because it's futile and we just

761
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Speaker 3: simply know it's ai generated you know, warfare about.

762
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Speaker 1: Allow so that it's mutual assured destruction to go back

763
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Speaker 1: to the old ICBM.

764
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Speaker 3: Right. But let's before we get to that deterrent, we

765
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Speaker 3: need to go through this phase. I'll tell you my hierarchy.

766
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Speaker 3: Hierarchy of things I worry about so well. Number one,

767
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Speaker 3: the United States needs a drone arsenal that we don't

768
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Speaker 3: currently have, particularly FDV drones. The Administration is working over

769
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Speaker 3: time to fix that problem, to their credit. But when

770
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Speaker 3: I care more about I was watching a documentary some reason.

771
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Speaker 3: I'm obsessed with this nineteen eighties period of the Mujahdin,

772
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Speaker 3: and you know what we did in Afghanistan through proxy wars, right,

773
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Speaker 3: and then we gave them the Stinger missiles you know,

774
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Speaker 3: to the Mujaddin, right, And it ended up haunting us

775
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 3: because now Stinger missiles are everywhere similar in Ukraine, our

776
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 3: adversaries are getting a PhD and how to operate an

777
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 3: FPV and all the tactics, which is forget about IP.

778
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 3: That knowledge is very scary. That knowledge. Once this war ends,

779
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Speaker 3: it's going to be disseminated actors all over the world.

780
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Speaker 3: So you pst Afghanistan and we need and don't have

781
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 3: nor does any country on Earth have a multi layered

782
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Speaker 3: solution to an incoming drone attack for not just a swarm,

783
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 3: but just like any drones. And so there's a whole

784
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Speaker 3: effort behind the scenes to do whatever we can to

785
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Speaker 3: get ready. But I think that is the scariest part

786
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Speaker 3: of it. So how are they related. You need to

787
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Speaker 3: master offensive drone tactics on your soil, including the supply chain,

788
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Speaker 3: to also be able to understand defense because they go

789
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Speaker 3: hand in hand. So there's a tremendous effort behind the

790
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Speaker 3: scenes to redomesticate all the means of production around drones.

791
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Speaker 3: And the most important part of that is magnets. You

792
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Speaker 3: cannot make drone motors without magnets, and magnets are not

793
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Speaker 3: made in the United States. So when you read all

794
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 3: this geopolitical stuffing magnets, it all goes back to drone wars.

795
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Speaker 3: So back to your point, Chuck, maybe one day it

796
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 3: becomes mutually assured destruction and therefore deterreent, But in the

797
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 3: interim there are a lot bigger problems.

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Speaker 1: I think to get that, you view this as an

799
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Speaker 1: arms race, right, China's trying to drone up that we're

800
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Speaker 1: in the sort of in the early days. This is

801
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Speaker 1: like nuclear weapons circa nineteen fifty five.

802
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Speaker 3: I think it is the biggest arms race that we've

803
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Speaker 3: had since nuclear weapons and is not one answer to it.

804
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Speaker 3: And I think drones eventually become like the rifle or

805
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Speaker 3: the artillery, the one five to five shell. You need

806
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Speaker 3: all sorts of different kinds. But there's no question, and

807
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 3: it was very intentional. I don't know if China had

808
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Speaker 3: the foresight to recognize we're going to undermine the US

809
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Speaker 3: domestic drone industry through And for those who don't know,

810
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Speaker 3: I know I'm going on on about this, but I

811
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Speaker 3: will make it very simple. We used to make a

812
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Speaker 3: lot of drones in this country and then Dji came

813
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Speaker 3: along and started selling exquisite drones that are really to

814
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Speaker 3: this day incredible atred a suspiciously low price. And what

815
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Speaker 3: ended up happening is a lot of the drone makers

816
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Speaker 3: in the US disappeared, and at the same time, all

817
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Speaker 3: law enforcement in the U In the United States, I

818
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Speaker 3: think almost ninety percent now used Chinese made drones. So

819
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Speaker 3: a dependency was created in the US on these rones,

820
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Speaker 3: and now there's no drone industry of fill it. So

821
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Speaker 3: they said Okay, well, why can't we just build a

822
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Speaker 3: drone industry. It costs a lot of money to make

823
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Speaker 3: a competitive consumer drone. It's up four billions of dollars.

824
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Speaker 3: And then okay, well the military can help. If there's

825
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Speaker 3: no demand signal from the military, then there's no market.

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Speaker 3: So that's what's being fixed right now. Government is putting

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Speaker 3: out affirmative demand signals so that a domestic dun industry

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Speaker 3: can sprout up.

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Speaker 1: Their fee is free unless they win. What's the biggest impediment?

848
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Speaker 1: So if you've got a defense department that says, hey,

849
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Speaker 1: we're ready to be the biggest customer, that obviously matters

850
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Speaker 1: a lot. What's the next impediment you talked about magnets?

851
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Speaker 1: What would it take for us to be able to

852
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Speaker 1: produce our own.

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Speaker 3: Government has to speak in very concrete demand signals so

854
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Speaker 3: that the different drone companies out there can raise the

855
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Speaker 3: venture funding against it. We still aren't quite in that place.

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Speaker 3: Two as just having the means of production to build

857
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Speaker 3: those drones at scale all very insurmountable in the next

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Speaker 3: twenty four to thirty six months.

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Speaker 2: You know, the surmountable, not insurmountable.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry I should have said surmountable. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Insurmountable. I know that's one of those words, but we

862
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Speaker 2: don't always you know, we.

863
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Speaker 1: Say insurmountable a lot. We never say surmountable.

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Speaker 3: That is surmountable in the next thirty for thirty six months.

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Speaker 3: What we need to work on as a country before

866
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Speaker 3: there's a disaster is this multi layered counter drone solution. Yeah,

867
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Speaker 3: that part is the part. There's lots of directed energy

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Speaker 3: and you know, catch a drone with a net. There's

869
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 3: all sorts of you know, geeky solutions, but none of

870
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 3: them quite broad together stitch together in a solution that

871
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 3: could protect a city.

872
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: Well, I was just going to say, let's let's go

873
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: back to your coming Arguably, I'm going to guess is

874
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: in some ways you're almost coming of age moment right

875
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: being being pressed secretary on the ground during nine to eleven.

876
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: You know, now, if those nineteen hijackers and if those

877
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 1: folks planing that attack on America, they you know, they

878
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: wouldn't have used airplanes, they'd be they'd be it would

879
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 1: have been a drone like assault on us that we

880
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 1: were quote unquote not ready for, right, we were.

881
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 2: Not back then.

882
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 1: The biggest what was the biggest criticism of the intelligence

883
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 1: community both. You know, it didn't matter partisanship, it was

884
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: simply failure of imagination.

885
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 3: Rights all the time. We have a failure imagination right now.

886
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 1: And I think right now it sounds like what you're advocating.

887
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,399
Speaker 1: And some might be a little say, well, he'd make

888
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: his business, will make money on this fet Well, look,

889
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 1: the drone wars are here, whether whether whether we like

890
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 1: it or not, we got to come up with some

891
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 1: sort of.

892
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 2: Per perimeter.

893
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I look, some of us laugh at the

894
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,800
Speaker 1: Golden Dome, right you know, a'llah, the Iron Dome type

895
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: of security structure that we've helped Israel build. I don't

896
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 1: know if we can put an entire dome essentially invisible

897
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: dome over the continental United States, but we do need

898
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:44,839
Speaker 1: some sort of security field on drones that you could

899
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: picture could suddenly. I mean, look at the panic. Do

900
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: you remember the panic about six to nine months ago

901
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 1: over the drones off the coast of New Jersey And

902
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 1: it turns out they were weather drones, right, you know.

903
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:57,280
Speaker 2: I mean that's the problem.

904
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: We don't even know the inventory of drones that are

905
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,399
Speaker 1: constantly in the air all the time as it is.

906
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, So first of all, I live in New Jersey,

907
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 3: So everyone assumed I had the answer to that, which

908
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 3: I which I I don't believe anybody did, which should

909
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 3: tell you something. Second, whether I stand a benefit, I

910
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 3: actually don't do counter uas. But regardless, that's not even

911
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 3: the point the point of course, But I did want

912
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 3: to know that everybody. Yeah, it would be a fair

913
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 3: It would be fair. I don't want people to reject

914
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 3: it base it on, So it's fair. It's a fair suspicion.

915
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 3: More importantly, we live in a paternalistic society subconsciously, so

916
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 3: we presume when we walk into a stadium, somebody's got

917
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 3: that figured out, right, Like there's a way that somebody

918
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 3: could get and let me tell you something. They don't

919
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 3: have it figured out. And so if you know that

920
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 3: they don't have it figured out and you, we are vulnerable.

921
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 3: We know that nine to eleven was a failure of imagination.

922
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,280
Speaker 3: We know that there was a cell, for example, in Europe,

923
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 3: a has bal of cell that had been ordering drone

924
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 3: parts on Amazon. We know that AI is going to

925
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 3: make autonomy and automatic target recognition, these kinds of tools

926
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 3: that enable a drone to fly with no signature. They're

927
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 3: going to make it possible for anybody to do a

928
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 3: eighteen year old, you know, aspiring Paris in the next

929
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 3: twenty four months. We know these things are happening, then

930
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 3: we know that we need a national, multi layer solution.

931
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 3: Unfortunately the problem is we don't always learn from the past,

932
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 3: so we don't respond until something happens. That's my biggest fear.

933
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 3: And again maybe like I saw a lot of traunta

934
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 3: from nine to eleven. To be honest, if I take

935
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 3: the train to New York and I get stuck underneath

936
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 3: the tunnel, I have a total panic attack. I'll start

937
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 3: texting my wife just stay with me. I know this

938
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 3: sounds totally unbalanced, and I'm fifty years old. So I

939
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 3: live with the memory standing under those towers, just thinking like,

940
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 3: how does that happen?

941
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 1: Well, I always thought, I'll be honest, I always thought

942
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: meant that DC in New York nine to eleven was

943
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:44,320
Speaker 1: personal for us. I mean, I was in d C.

944
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: I was at the Watergate building. We were seeing smoke

945
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 1: come from a pentagon. I was trying to keep my

946
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 1: staff as calm as you could in a situation you

947
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 1: had no idea what was happening.

948
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 2: Our offices were acrossed from the Saudi Embassy. We were

949
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 2: all freaked.

950
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 3: Out and.

951
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 1: The It's always been remarkable to me that the rest

952
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 1: of America cared for as long as they did. But

953
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 1: the fact of the matter is, think about your reaction

954
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: to Oklahoma City. You probably had a visceral reaction at first,

955
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:14,959
Speaker 1: and then over time because it wasn't in our face

956
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: every day, we sort of it ventured to.

957
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 2: The back of your brain. Being a New Yorker.

958
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 1: Nine eleven doesn't venture back to your brain being a

959
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 1: DC or nine to eleven never ventures back to my brain. Right,

960
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: I know I live. We can argue about whether it's

961
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: New York or d C, but we know that they

962
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: are two of the most biggest targets in the world.

963
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: Right you know, I've always sort of since nine to

964
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 1: eleven had a All Right, if I think a nuke's coming,

965
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: what am I doing?

966
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 2: You know?

967
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: Where am I going? And can I leave in time?

968
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: How much time would I actually have and find way

969
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: would I need?

970
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 3: I go? In the last subway car, I was thinking,

971
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 3: that's not the one to tear. It was a strike.

972
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:53,760
Speaker 3: You'd strike the middle. I mean, like we.

973
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: Interesting, it's good, But that's the point It's sort of

974
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: like I and I do wonder, right, when you think

975
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: about it, we don't really have you know, there's most

976
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 1: you know, yes, there's a New Yorker's president, and there's

977
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:10,399
Speaker 1: two New Yorkers in leadership, and certainly people that were

978
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: here when nine to eleven happen that are kind of

979
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: still in power, though not many of them left. You

980
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: do wonder how much of that contributes to this lack

981
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 1: of realizing that, hey, we might want to look at

982
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: nine to eleven is okay, what's the next nine to

983
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: eleven look like?

984
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 2: What could we be missing?

985
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: Drones feels like some combination of cyber sabotage and drones

986
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 1: feels like the most likely way next sort of tragedy

987
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: that we quote miss as a society that we have

988
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 1: to fix.

989
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, And I don't know quite how you

990
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 3: sound the alarm to make people hacked, because then people say, well,

991
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 3: what am I supposed to do about that? Right at

992
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 3: the end of the day. But the difference the next

993
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,280
Speaker 3: nine to eleven is next nine to eleven doesn't require

994
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 3: elaborate flight training at a flight school. It's a simulator

995
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 3: that you do online. It requires parts that you could

996
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 3: buy in Amazon. It's just so much very it's just

997
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 3: a different attack. There is a way to there is

998
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 3: a way to counter it, but it requires such a

999
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 3: multi layered federal, state, local solution that that I think

1000
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 3: is the part that hasn't come into focus. So when

1001
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 3: you read the government pentagony one advocating, it's because they

1002
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 3: know more than you do about the true nature of

1003
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 3: it and how at the moment where you are unflanked.

1004
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 1: I could go this, I don't have it done. But

1005
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: that's that's all right. That's what makes a good that's

1006
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: what makes a good conversation. Let me get you out

1007
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: of here. On sports, I was like you, I've gone

1008
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: back and forth in sports and politics in the media.

1009
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: I helped found the Sports Business Journal, which is used

1010
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: to be called the Sports Business Daily, So you probably

1011
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: were familiar with it back in your Jets and Dolphins days.

1012
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 2: So let me ask it.

1013
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 3: Thank you, Chuck for that.

1014
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 1: Congrats all right? You know my man ad met Core,

1015
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: he knows that identify him, so good.

1016
00:47:56,719 --> 00:48:02,800
Speaker 2: Good for you. So what makes a good NFL owner?

1017
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 2: And does it matter?

1018
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 1: Because it is a socialistic enterprise, right, even a bad

1019
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: owner makes money because everybody makes money in the NFL.

1020
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:12,800
Speaker 2: What do you think.

1021
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:14,240
Speaker 1: Separates a good owner from a bad owner?

1022
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 3: Such a great question. Well, yeah, your audience might be

1023
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 3: surprised if I've been around a lot of owners, work

1024
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 3: for two directly, but know all of them sit at

1025
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 3: the table at the NFL for a long time. Every

1026
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 3: single one of them desperately wants to win. So there's

1027
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 3: some sentences and they're in for the money. No, they're

1028
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 3: in it to compete the competing.

1029
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 1: They bought a trophy. I've always said, they bought trophies.

1030
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: There's thirty two trophies to own in the NFL. And

1031
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 1: these guys, you know, they're just another Bill Simmons has this,

1032
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,280
Speaker 1: He's like, you know, if Woody Johnson doesn't.

1033
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 2: Own a sports team, nobody knows who Whatdy Johnson is.

1034
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:48,720
Speaker 3: Well, there's that also, any one of them have different

1035
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 3: levels of success and failure. They're not on display every Sunday,

1036
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 3: so they're now stepping into the arena where the where

1037
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 3: their success. So that's number one. I never met somebody

1038
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 3: who was appetetic about winning and didn't.

1039
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 1: Really know, right because they're already rich guys, so they

1040
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 1: want something to get as much money as they got, right,

1041
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: now they want to Now they're get to play in

1042
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 1: the rich guys circle, and they want to beat the

1043
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 1: other rich guys.

1044
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 3: Right. I think what makes a good owner for owner,

1045
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 3: probably makes what makes a good CEO or business owner

1046
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 3: anywhere else, is you have very strong values and you

1047
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 3: telegraph them and apply them consistently throughout the entire organization.

1048
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 3: Like you really you believe in what you believe you

1049
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 3: are Consistent values can form around that. Consistent because an

1050
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 3: owner is an asset too, because it means it's not

1051
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 3: changing every every two years. Right, we're not president the

1052
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 3: United States got eight years, right, an owner could have

1053
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 3: thirty years. And so I think consistent values that spread

1054
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 3: through willingness to invest and play the long game, maybe

1055
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 3: not respond to headlines and make changes, you know, on

1056
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 3: a win. Number one bad quality would be placating the

1057
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 3: press you know, or or or or an uprising of

1058
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 3: sorts by making a short term move, because then you're

1059
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 3: then you're under You're undermining the very benefit of the

1060
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,359
Speaker 3: fact that no one could displace you. You're an owner,

1061
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 3: no one could fire you. So you should be able

1062
00:49:58,120 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 3: to make long term decisions, even more so than a

1063
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 3: but we traded CEO right, Yeah, Yeah, at the end

1064
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 3: of the day, it's.

1065
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:04,839
Speaker 1: It's I mean, do you think in some ways there's

1066
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 1: it's it's look, you're you're part of this larger organism

1067
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 1: that's the NFL, where there's thirty two equal partners, and

1068
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: there's just you actually don't have enough leeway where in baseball,

1069
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 1: for instance, the Dodgers could actually have a more unique

1070
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,280
Speaker 1: way of building because they can spend money in ways

1071
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 1: that you actually can't spend money in the NFL. Well,

1072
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: that's imagine.

1073
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 3: So they're the the the the the advantage you can

1074
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 3: gain is so marginal that one, no one advantage is

1075
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 3: going to be outcome to determinative. I've seen that on

1076
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:35,240
Speaker 3: the sports science space all these years I was involved.

1077
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:37,240
Speaker 3: There were different ebbs and flows depending on the coach.

1078
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: Eventually everybody gets the same data. So then what are

1079
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 1: you gonna do?

1080
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, but then you search for some kind of advantage

1081
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 3: and you realize the end of the day, it's not

1082
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 3: making that much of a difference. I just think that

1083
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 3: it's really truly a you know, game of inches. And

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00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 3: so I'm sorry to give you a diplomatic answer. I

1085
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,399
Speaker 3: just think fondly of both of them, and I don't,

1086
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,320
Speaker 3: and I would not the right answer as to what

1087
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 3: would make the difference.

1088
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 2: Well, it's funny, it is. It is.

1089
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: It's a head scratcher to me that the Giants and

1090
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 1: the Jets don't win as much as they should.

1091
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 3: It's a head squirrel. So again, you have to give

1092
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,439
Speaker 3: us the formula to what they need to do. And

1093
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 3: it's not obvious. No, it's not.

1094
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 2: Well it is.

1095
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: It is obvious, but it's not easy. Which is you

1096
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 1: just you know you need the right quarterback and it

1097
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: is it really.

1098
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:24,879
Speaker 3: Is around the most important issue. Yeah.

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00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 1: No, And the more you realize, I don't think even

1100
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: today's really smart football fan understands that quarterback is ten

1101
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,879
Speaker 1: times harder to be, no matter whether it's a bad

1102
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 1: quarterback or not, than it is to be a running back.

1103
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: Like I'm all for Jonathan Taylor being the NFL MVP,

1104
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 1: but I promise you all thirty two starting quarterbacks job

1105
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 1: is much harder than Jonathan Taylor's, and it's hard to

1106
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 1: convey that. I think the Manning broadcast does a good

1107
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 1: job of conveying the difficulty of being the coach on

1108
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 1: the field, but it's the only place you get that cough.

1109
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 3: It's the other hard job to hire as the coach.

1110
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 3: I've been involved multiple coaching searches. One thing consistency. I've

1111
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 3: seen that the pendulum always swings violently from one direction

1112
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:07,280
Speaker 3: of the other. Players coach think a disciplinarian and yeah.

1113
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 1: Well the joke is like, you know, the first thing

1114
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 1: a new coach does is decides what to do with

1115
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 1: a ping pong table.

1116
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,439
Speaker 2: If there's a ping pong table in the locker room,

1117
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 2: they take it out. Oh, this is a serious coach.

1118
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 1: If there wasn't a ping pong table in the in

1119
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 1: the locker room, they put one in.

1120
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:24,959
Speaker 2: Oh, this is a different But it's like.

1121
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:27,799
Speaker 3: The second thing they do they paint. They paint the

1122
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 3: walls and they put up new slogans. I always look

1123
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 3: sobody good. Now some of them are good, Rex Ryan

1124
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 3: Gamy one, you appreciate you play through the whistle, play

1125
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 3: through the way, her her herm ed where's you played?

1126
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 3: You play to win the game? You know Eric Mangini,

1127
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,839
Speaker 3: who is you know, very smart, the man genius. Yeah,

1128
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 3: he had all his own things like what found. There

1129
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 3: is always a consistent attempt on the coach level to

1130
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 3: bring a control and try to isolate some variables that

1131
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 3: can make the difference, you know.

1132
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 1: But yeah, it is true. But what whatever the culture was,

1133
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 1: you just change it to the other culture.

1134
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 3: Right, So back to what you wanted. Would you a

1135
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 3: good owner? You want to go owner as a culture

1136
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:10,240
Speaker 3: that can transcend coaching changes.

1137
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:13,399
Speaker 1: Matt, this was great. I am out of I think

1138
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 1: we're both running up against time.

1139
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:19,399
Speaker 2: I appreciate the uh so is the drone world your

1140
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 2: full time job? Is? That?

1141
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 3: Is that where? This is what I was meant to

1142
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 3: be working on. It's from a degree of destiny. It's

1143
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 3: that brings me. It's the most important work I've ever

1144
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 3: done in my life. I get to be around the

1145
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 3: military all the time, and it is mostly what I

1146
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 3: focus on now peacefully.

1147
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 1: You how much of your business is commercial and how

1148
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 1: much of it is all defense contracting?

1149
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 2: These days?

1150
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:40,320
Speaker 3: Oh so hard. We only own a lot of brands

1151
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 3: and a lot of businesses. But in terms of where

1152
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 3: I put my time, over half a half of my

1153
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 3: time is spent on this. We have other businesses, but

1154
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 3: this is where my heart, my energy goes because the

1155
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 3: mission is so important, That's where I spent my time.

1156
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 1: Well, this is something that I have a feeling I

1157
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:55,919
Speaker 1: want to be checking in with you a lot more

1158
00:53:55,960 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: because I do. I don't think Washington official Washington is

1159
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 1: fully aware of how dramatically warfare is changing right now,

1160
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 1: and we are we we just are. It explains why

1161
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 1: they you know, why there's so much effort in the

1162
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: in the tech community. And I know it's at times

1163
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 1: I'm uncomfortable with how much government and tech are fusing.

1164
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:24,800
Speaker 1: But it is because of this panic of the nature

1165
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:25,879
Speaker 1: of the change in warfare is.

1166
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 3: A danger We're so part is and only leave you

1167
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 3: with this. It's so easy to dismiss the efforts based

1168
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 3: upon which side of the Ali you're on. But the

1169
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 3: one thing I can deliver you from the other side

1170
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:39,320
Speaker 3: a dispatch, which is the response is because there's exiting

1171
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 3: crisis happening that we need, we need to stand up

1172
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 3: this industry and you. Lastly, the seventy percent of all

1173
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:49,799
Speaker 3: you know kills or casualties in Ukraine are caused by

1174
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 3: a flying object the size of a dinner plate that

1175
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 3: you can make for eight hundred dollars. You can't make

1176
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 3: it here for eight hundred dollars, But that what does

1177
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 3: that tell you? So the second question is our adversaries

1178
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 3: North Korea, all our different enemies are getting a PhD

1179
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 3: and how to make these at scale and listen very quickly.

1180
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:08,800
Speaker 3: So what you're reading about is because of that threat,

1181
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:10,840
Speaker 3: and that we're not no.

1182
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 1: I think we just generally all need a better education

1183
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 1: in what is happening at the moment. I mean, this

1184
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 1: is unfortunate. We cover the war in Ukraine now through

1185
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 1: the prism of how it ends. We don't actually cover

1186
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 1: the war in Ukraine collectively anymore through what's happening in

1187
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:31,399
Speaker 1: the moment, and that that's probably actually is hindering your

1188
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,839
Speaker 1: ability to communicate the urgency of this and frankly mine

1189
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 1: as well. We need more pictures of what's happening in

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Speaker 1: the moment.

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Speaker 3: I agree, Thanks for.

1192
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 2: That was exactly. Other than that, enjoy the end of

1193
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 2: the year holiday.

1194
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 3: That was the plan. Exactly.

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Speaker 2: Good to meet with you like that.

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