1 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: From Mediators World News headquarters in Bozeman, Montana. This is 2 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:17,479 Speaker 1: Kel's we Can Review with Ryan kel Kell and now 3 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 1: here's Kel. What do a good moose hunting spot, the 4 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: United States Supreme Court, sturgeon, and a hovercraft have in common. Well, 5 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: if you've been paying attention, a man by the name 6 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: of John Sturgeon took a case questioning the legality of 7 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 1: driving his hovercraft up a river to his favorite moose 8 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: hunting spot, all the way up to the United States 9 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: Supreme Court and one the ruling was handed down this 10 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: past March. I'm not sure why this story is popped 11 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: up and the news recently, but I got several emails 12 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 1: on the subject just this week. Here are the facts 13 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 1: as I know them. Sturgeon's route to his moose spot 14 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: takes him through the Yukon Charlie Rivers National Preserve, and 15 00:00:56,600 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: he uses a small hovercraft to navigate shallow rivers. This 16 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: type of access is not provided for under the rules 17 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: that govern the Yukon Charlie Preserve, but is legal according 18 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: to the State of Alaska. Very simply and specifically to 19 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:14,199 Speaker 1: this issue. You have the State of Alaska on one side, 20 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: the federally managed Yukon Charlie Preserve on the other, and 21 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: John Sturgeon in the middle. Now, all some folks need 22 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 1: to hear is federal versus anything or anyone, and they 23 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: get deeply triggered. Federal designations such as wilderness, national parks, 24 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: and monuments don't actually mean the exact same thing in 25 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: every place. They're all individuals. For instance, the Frank Church Wilderness, 26 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:42,119 Speaker 1: which I should be in right now, was implemented in 27 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 1: such a way that the air strips and a few 28 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: roads even were maintained. This is not the case for 29 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: the most part, however, in the Bob Marshall Wilderness, President 30 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: Jimmy Carter created the Yukon Charlie Rivers National Monument December 31 00:01:56,640 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: one night by exercising presidential authority under the Antiquities Act. 32 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: In the monument was converted into a national preserve. Many 33 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:10,920 Speaker 1: Alaskans argue that the sheer size and remoteness of their 34 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:14,799 Speaker 1: state makes the use of planes, jetboats, snow machines, and yes, 35 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: even hovercrafts necessary, and those means of travel are much 36 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: more common than they are just about anywhere else. They 37 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: contend that context matters, and that travel within Alaska's federal 38 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: lands should not be regulated as they would be in 39 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: a preserve run by the National Park Service somewhere in 40 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:35,079 Speaker 1: the lower forty eight apparently, though, the Park Service never 41 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: got this memo, and that's caused a lot of friction 42 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 1: over the years, culminating with John Sturgeon taking his case 43 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: all the way to the Supreme Court. It took twelve 44 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:48,799 Speaker 1: years and ultimately one point five million dollars to get 45 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: the nine oh Supreme Court decision that Congress intended Alaska 46 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: to be treated differently, and John Sturgeon can once again 47 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: drave his hovercraft up to Moose Meadows. How we access 48 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: our lands is a big deal. I have covered it 49 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:06,679 Speaker 1: before and I will cover it again as I tend 50 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: to get a lot of feedback here at ask cal 51 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:13,079 Speaker 1: at the Mediator dot com, from corner crossings to electronic 52 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: motorcycles to ease months. We're not all going to agree 53 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: on how we are or are not allowed to travel 54 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 1: in public land. But as John Sturgeon proved last March, 55 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: you can change it. You just have to be serious 56 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:31,359 Speaker 1: and ultimately selfless. Twelve years of stress and fundraising one 57 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: point five million in legal fees and giving up of 58 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: one apparently fantastic moose spot. This week we're covering sulfide 59 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: or habituated animals and so much more. But first I'm 60 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: gonna tell you about my week. We as in all 61 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: of us folks hammering with at our keyboards here in 62 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: the Meat Eator editorial office, are planning a big end 63 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: of the year trip to hopefully add some white tail 64 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: to the freezer. Meal planning is crucial, as everyone knows 65 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: an army runs on its stomach, and the editorial crew 66 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: is no different. So a few of us headed east 67 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: just a bit, as my mother had let me know 68 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: that we had geese in the field the home place. 69 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: It's just a few wing beats from the Yellowstone River 70 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: outside of Billings, Montana. The hope was to get enough 71 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: geese to build up a stockpile of dark red meat 72 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: to turn into pastram or corned meat. I omit the 73 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: goose associated with corn meat, as in my experience it 74 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: matters not what protein you put into a corning Brian, 75 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 1: it comes out as corned and renders the further classification 76 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: of its origin unnecessary anyway. Badly, hail damage corn fields 77 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: make a pretty darned good goose magnet, and we had 78 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 1: plenty of action, as happens from time to time, though 79 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 1: we had a number of factors working against us and 80 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 1: our meat procurement operation. We only walked away from the 81 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 1: field with two super fat geese. Uh not enough future 82 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: sandwich meat for the crew. But it's a start and 83 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 1: the geese aren't done flying, so we'll just have to 84 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: go out again. One good takeaway. If you're out looking 85 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: to decoy a field with a bunch of broken corn stocks, 86 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: and you're looking to collect a pile of those corn 87 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 1: stocks to make some cover for you and your friends 88 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 1: to hide under, get a set of long handled loppers 89 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: like for trim and tree branches. I have a set 90 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:19,239 Speaker 1: of steel oppers that mowed through a bunch of corn 91 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: in short order, and the crew could just walk behind 92 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 1: me and pick up the stocks after me. Good time 93 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 1: to remind you that this podcast is brought to you 94 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 1: by steel Power Equipment. If you like me, enjoy living 95 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: in a tent hunting deer and elk this time of year. 96 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:36,159 Speaker 1: It makes life so nice to have a warm fire 97 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,679 Speaker 1: to fall asleep next to. So go to steel cow 98 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: dot com and pick up a pulse off for the 99 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 1: back country or a super quiet non stinky, super pacable 100 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 1: electric chainsaw for the front country. You will love it. 101 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: I will confidently pack in two batteries for a weekend 102 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: worth the saw work, and won't hardly put a dent 103 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: in the charge on the second next order. Business Mark Kenyon, 104 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 1: contributor at large here at Meat Eater, is working his 105 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: hind end off on a big little land project in Michigan. 106 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: He just got a really nice buck on that ground 107 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: we call the back forty. After months of work, he 108 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: finally got it done. Congrats Mark, and congrats on your 109 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: new book, Buddy, That Wild Country, an epic journey through 110 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: the past, present, and future of America's public lands. One 111 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 1: Amazon reviewer has this to say about Mark's book That 112 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: Wild Country under the heading trigger warnings, there is an 113 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: unpleasant ode to hunting. He goes on an unsuccessful bear hunt. Overall, 114 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: nothing that terribly offended my vegetarian nearly vegan sensibilities, until 115 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:47,840 Speaker 1: he murdered a caribou. Also on page seven, a photo 116 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: near the back depicts the obligatory holding of the dead fish. 117 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: If that last one offends you, we have confirmed that 118 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 1: the fish was not dead. In fact, it was alive 119 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 1: and returned safely to a stream. This Amazon reviewer somes 120 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 1: things up very nicely in capitalized letters. Bottom line, the 121 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: author's love affair with the great outdoors is evident throughout. 122 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: Not only well written, but an exceptionally good book to 123 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: find in First Reads. Highly recommend. I love this review. 124 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: These public lands belong to all of us, regardless of 125 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: who we are, how we feel about hunting, fishing, skiing, motorbiking, hiking, 126 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: or anything else folks like to do out there. We 127 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: need more opportunities to bring like minded folks who disagree together. 128 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: Good on you, Mark Kenya for tackling the subject. Alright, 129 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:39,239 Speaker 1: we're gonna dig right into the meat and potatoes this week, 130 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 1: or more accurately, the beans and bacon, because we're going 131 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: way back to the eighteen seventy two Mining Act by 132 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: way of some proposed sulfide minds. But first I need 133 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: to give a little context. Mining is important. Remember those 134 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: steel battery power chainsaws I was talking about. None of 135 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: that came off a tree. That all came out of 136 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: the ground. The device you're listening to this amazing podcast 137 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: on requires mind ores and minerals. The same goes for 138 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: your vehicle, your house, and the symbol of your marriage 139 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 1: if you're into that kind of thing. But not all 140 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: mining is created equal. Sulfide mining is, at a very 141 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: basic level, the process of removing trace valuable minerals from 142 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: large quantities of rock. The tailings, or the rock left 143 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: over after the valuable minerals have been taken out, can 144 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: release sulfuric acid when exposed to just air and water. 145 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 1: When you hear about mind storing waste, this is usually 146 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 1: what they're talking about. That acid is dangerous to ecosystems 147 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: in its own right, but it has the added drawback 148 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 1: of leaching heavy metals like mercury, arsenic, and cadmium, but 149 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 1: are commonly trapped in many types of rock. This kind 150 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: of mining also generally requires depleting groundwater because miners need 151 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: to dig well below the water table and continually pump 152 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: out the water that would fill up the giant holes 153 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: otherwise point in. Sulfide minds, though necessary, do have a 154 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 1: long and well earned history of degradation and pollution. Not 155 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 1: all mind sites, however, present equal environmental threat. Ask any 156 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: real estate developer, for instance, even our president in his 157 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: past job location matters. Sulfide minds near sensitive waterways are 158 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: particularly problematic because all that nastiness can and often does 159 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: get into those waters. We have plenty of historic examples 160 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: to show us what that looks like, and it isn't pretty. 161 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: What we don't have are many examples of sulfide minds 162 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 1: that haven't ended up significantly polluting adjacent waterways. Modern mining 163 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,559 Speaker 1: companies like to talk about how fool proof their containment 164 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: strategies are, but so far we don't have much evidence 165 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:54,439 Speaker 1: to support those promises. This reasoning explains why the Yellowstone 166 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: Gateway Protection Act, the bill that removed lands adjacent to 167 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: Yellowstone National Park, past with bipartisan support earlier this year. 168 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: Fact is, there are just some places too valuable and 169 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 1: sensitive for the risks associated with sulfide mining. Let's talk 170 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: briefly about a few other proposed sulfide mines and some 171 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 1: pretty spectacular parts of our country. First, there's the Black 172 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: Butte copper mine right here in the great state of Montana. 173 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: That mine site just happens to be located right next 174 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: to Sheep Creek, one of the primary tributaries for the 175 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: Smith River. The Smith is one of Montana's most beloved 176 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 1: and it's only permitted river, and every year thousands of 177 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 1: people flocked to this waterway to enjoy that fifty nine 178 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:42,079 Speaker 1: mile permitted float. Fishing on the Smith generates ten million 179 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 1: dollars a year from Montana's economy and supports over one 180 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: hundred jobs. Those are sustainable, long term jobs that will 181 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: continue in perpetuity so long as we have a healthy fishery. 182 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: The mine, on the other hand, is owned by Sandfire, 183 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 1: an Australian company who would walk walk away with the 184 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 1: lions share the profits dug out of American dirt. The repercussions, however, 185 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: would be ours to deal with. The proposal calls for 186 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 1: building an eighty acre tailings facility to store the roughly 187 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: thirteen million tons of sulfide tailings they anticipate, creating leakage 188 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 1: would cause significant damage to the ecosystem, But even if 189 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: everything went perfectly to plan, the mine would still likely 190 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:27,599 Speaker 1: harm the river. Construction of roads and other infrastructure necessary 191 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: to run a massive mining operation would increase erosion and 192 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 1: soil deposits into the system, which isn't all that good 193 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 1: for trout habitat. But more importantly, mining requires a lot 194 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: of water, and this mine could significantly de water Sheep 195 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:47,079 Speaker 1: Creek and therefore the Smith, a river that already suffers 196 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:51,319 Speaker 1: from a lack of flow during Montana's long dry summers. 197 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: In fact, the only time that I have ever had permits, 198 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: the water has been too darn hot to fish, so 199 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: I've never floated the dank thing. Next, there's the Twin 200 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: Metals mine in Minnesota that would go in on the 201 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: border of the Boundary Waters Cane Area Wilderness, the most 202 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: popular and widely used wilderness area in the country. This 203 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 1: proposed mine has a very long and complicated history, so 204 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: all I can provide here is a very brief overview, 205 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 1: but I encourage you to do some research on this 206 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: yourself if you're interested. The two mining leases at the 207 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 1: center of this debate actually expired near the end of 208 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: two thousand sixteen, and a month later, the Forest Service 209 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:32,199 Speaker 1: filed paperwork to prohibit mining on all of the National 210 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: forest lands that flow into the Boundary Waters. During the 211 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: public comment period about this, of the hundred and eighty 212 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:45,079 Speaker 1: thousand comments favored protections for this area from mining. Despite 213 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: that overwhelming public sentiment and using a whole lot of 214 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 1: back channel legal and legislative force, that application was denied. 215 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: The expired mining permits were reinstated and new prospecting and 216 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: lease permits are moving forward. Once again a foreign come 217 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 1: penn he owns these leases and would also own the 218 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 1: mine in this case and Tofagasta, a massive Chilean mining 219 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 1: conglomerate responsible for a lot of environmental degradation in northern Chile. 220 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 1: In an eyebrow raising twist, the Chilean billionaires who own 221 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: and to Fagasta also happened to be Ivanka Trump and 222 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:22,839 Speaker 1: Jared Kushner's d C landlords. That's their second of two 223 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: US property holdings. Potential issues with this mine are very 224 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: similar to those on the Smith The mine sites are 225 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: located just upstream of the boundary waters, and any accidental 226 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 1: pollution would flow down through much of that area. Additionally, 227 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: setting the precedent for mining this area could result in 228 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: a whole lot more sulfide mines in the Great Lakes area, 229 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: which contains of the world's fresh water. Seems to me 230 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 1: keeping that store of freshwater clean and drinkable has more 231 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:54,959 Speaker 1: long term value than pulling a few copper deposits out 232 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 1: of the ground for the benefit of a Chilean mining company. 233 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: According to an economic stud conducted by Harvard University, the 234 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: long term recreational economy of the boundary waters far exceed 235 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: that of mining development and is estimated to generate hundred 236 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: forty six hundred more jobs as well as one hundred 237 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: to nine hundred million more in total income. Third on 238 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: my list for today is the proposed twin Pines mine 239 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: near the southeastern edge of the Okefinoki Swamp. Truth be told, 240 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 1: there are a number of other projects like this that 241 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: I could mention here, like the old pebble mine, But 242 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: I just wanted an excuse to say Okifinoki a bunch 243 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: of times because it's a fun word. So here we go. 244 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: Try it okay Finoki anyway. Last July, a mining company 245 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: submitted a proposal to the Army Corps of Engineers to 246 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: mine on a twelve thousand acre tract near the Okifinoki 247 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: National Wildlife Refuge. While the first phase of this mining 248 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 1: project would happen four miles away from the edge of 249 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: the Okifinoki, this one seems especially problematic since the min 250 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 1: rules thereafter would require excavating fifty feet underground below the 251 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: average depth of the water table for that area. That 252 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: means the mind itself could alter the hydrology of the 253 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: whole region, even if there are no issues with tailings 254 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 1: or other waste products. Even the e p A express 255 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: their concerns about the potential fallout from this project. A 256 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: letter sent to the Core of Engineers read in part, 257 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 1: the e PA believes that there is potential for this 258 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 1: project as proposed to cause adverse effects to water quality 259 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: and the life stages of aquatic life or other wildlife, 260 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: depending on aquatic ecosystems. The Oki Finoki National Wildlife Refuge 261 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: gets an average of six hundred thousand visitors each year 262 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: and brings in an average of eighty eight million dollars annually, 263 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: Whereas the MIND promises to bring a hundred and fifty 264 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: new jobs to a county where of households bring in 265 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: less than ten thousand dollars a year. In each of 266 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: these cases, it's easy to understand the short term argument 267 00:15:59,880 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 1: for bringing economic development to areas that could use a boost. 268 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:06,479 Speaker 1: I get that people need jobs, and that mining operations 269 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: in general offer better pay, better benefits, and more stability 270 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: than recreation economy jobs. But the fact remains that heavy 271 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: metal minds have a very clear history of pollution and degradation, 272 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: and once it's out, you can't put that toothpaste back 273 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: in the tube, so to speak. In my opinion, it's 274 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: time that we revisit the federal regulations that dictate what 275 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: mining can and cannot do. Those regulations were written a 276 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: hundred and forty seven years ago, and the reality of 277 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: mining in the century is, no surprise, far different than 278 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: it was in eighteen seventy two. If we had laws 279 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 1: that better protected sensitive areas and held mining companies accountable 280 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: to clean up any messages they leave behind, we'd have 281 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: fewer brawls between local residents who feel they have to 282 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: fight with their neighbors about either sighting with jobs or 283 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: the health of their lands. Struggling communities shouldn't be the 284 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 1: ones pitted against each other to decide where minds go 285 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: and how they operate. And if we had rules that 286 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 1: actually ensured that minds would be responsible and accountable, those 287 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 1: communities wouldn't have to be in that position. Currently, US 288 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:13,880 Speaker 1: Representative Raoul Grialva out of New Mexico has an update 289 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: to the seventy two mining law called the Hard Rock 290 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:21,439 Speaker 1: Leasing and Reclamation Act. This update will likely not pass, 291 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: but at least it brings up the conversation, which again 292 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:28,479 Speaker 1: I seriously think we need to have to bring you 293 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:31,199 Speaker 1: back from all that seriousness. Here's a story out of 294 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 1: Idaho about a little girl in a big fish. Eight 295 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: year old Sophie A Jeezy landed the Idaho state record 296 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 1: catch and release rainbow trout early last month. The fish 297 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: taped out at thirty six and a half inches and 298 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: she caught it trolling flies on Lake Ponderre. Now all 299 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: of us hardcore anglers know that it's all downhill for 300 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 1: Sophie for the rest of her life. She'll likely be 301 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:57,439 Speaker 1: chasing the dragon of that tug for as long as 302 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 1: she holds a rod in her hands, which we hope 303 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: will be a very long time to come. Way to go, Sophie, 304 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: sticking with our aquatics desk, but jumping over to grown 305 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 1: man chasing juvenile fish. Young tarpan recently appeared in Ocean City, Maryland. 306 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 1: Tarpan are famous in Florida and throughout the Gulf, and 307 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 1: the full grown adults have long been known to wander, 308 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 1: sometimes showing up as far as North Virginia. This particular 309 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 1: fish is noteworthy because it's still years away from reaching 310 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 1: sexual maturity, and this is the first documented case of 311 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 1: a young fish traveling so far. We can thank new 312 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 1: technology for this find, as the tarpan was affixed with 313 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: an acoustic tag which allowed researchers to pinpoint its location. 314 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 1: The Bone Fish and Tarpin Trust, an organization that funds 315 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:48,120 Speaker 1: much of the conservation work around tarpan, points out that 316 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: despite the immense popularity of these fish, little is known 317 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: about much of their life cycle. Finding out how far 318 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 1: young tarpan travel is hopefully just the first of many 319 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 1: discoveries that these new acoustic tags will provide to help 320 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: us ensure the long term health of these very cool 321 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 1: and ancient fish. Moving on to the wyoming bat Jackson 322 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 1: Hole Wildlife Refuge is finally looking to end its elk 323 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: feeding program. The hundred and seven years of feeding have 324 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: conditioned elk and mule deer to unnaturally congregate every year 325 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:22,199 Speaker 1: in this area, which has created a heck of a 326 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: tourist attraction, but also a heck of a recipe for 327 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 1: disease transmission. Well done, this program will not be phased 328 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: out entirely, but will reduce the overall amount of feed 329 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: and the duration of feeding and average winners. The elk 330 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:39,360 Speaker 1: and mule deer may even have to behave like other 331 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: elk and deer do elsewhere by fending for themselves. This 332 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:46,640 Speaker 1: part of the equation causes concern for some Wyoming landowners 333 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,199 Speaker 1: and the folks of Wyoming fishing game who have to 334 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: deal with the landowners. Elk will be traveling more, re 335 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 1: establishing their old migration routes and possibly causing more headaches 336 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 1: for landowners in the form of fence mending and detecting haystacks. 337 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: Wyoming is a prime case study for migration corridors. Well 338 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:09,200 Speaker 1: documented antelope, elk, and mule deer migrations showcase just how 339 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 1: far these animals will travel during a season, sometimes a 340 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty miles or more. Many people, including neighboring 341 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: states like Montana and Idaho, want the animals to migrate, 342 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: as that is what healthy herds do in these areas, 343 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: but they don't want them carrying diseases as they do it. 344 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,880 Speaker 1: Oddly enough, the state of Michigan seems totally fine with disease, 345 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 1: despite the widespread prevalence of diseases like chronic wasting disease 346 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,679 Speaker 1: and white tail herds in much of that state. The 347 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: Michigan House just approved a measure to lift a ban 348 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:42,880 Speaker 1: on baiting deer that measure moves to the Senate. If 349 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 1: I lived in Michigan, or if I recreated in Michigan 350 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 1: and cared about healthy, sustainable wildlife, I would certainly be 351 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: making some senators phones ring on that. One representative hoitnga 352 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 1: of Manton chorus. This is uh Michigan, so it's probably 353 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:01,959 Speaker 1: pronounced mam. Tone says the current baiting band is quote 354 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 1: silly and is hurting hunters. Uh. You know what I 355 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,959 Speaker 1: think is silly getting up real early in the morning 356 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: to hunt over a pile of corn for deer that 357 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:14,399 Speaker 1: either don't exist because they're dead or disease to the 358 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,119 Speaker 1: point where you can't eat them. That seems like a 359 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: silly thing that would hurt deer hunters to me. Oh, 360 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 1: and I am hunting in Michigan and think that the 361 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 1: minten has a lot to offer, so I will be calling. 362 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:29,359 Speaker 1: I'll let you know how that goes. Last but not least, 363 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 1: a bunch of folks wrote in to tell me about 364 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,920 Speaker 1: a deer attack, So we'll finish up there at our 365 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 1: too close for Comfort wildlife desk. Uh Tennessee woman is 366 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: recovering after being attacked by a small white tail buck 367 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 1: while getting your mail. The deer was kept as a 368 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: semi wild pet, which, by the way, is illegal in 369 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:50,639 Speaker 1: the state of Tennessee. The buck reportedly had painted antlers 370 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: and the quote owners three year old daughter used to 371 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: paint its stone nails. Long story short, the deer is 372 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: headed to a zoo, the neighbor lady is in the hospital, 373 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 1: and children are crying over a lost pet. Don't feed wildlife. 374 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 1: It never turns out well for them, you or your neighbors. 375 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 1: You'll remember poor Sweet Elliott the elk. Sweet as in 376 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 1: the town of Sweet, Idaho. Elliott as in someone who 377 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,959 Speaker 1: has yet to come forward named the elk after habituating it, 378 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: or as folks like to say, making it a pet, 379 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 1: well in fear of turning out like our friend in Tennessee. 380 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: This wild animal habituator called Idaho Fishing Game and demanded 381 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:30,919 Speaker 1: that they take care of the young bull along and 382 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: ultimately expensive saga ensued, costing the sportsmen and women of 383 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 1: Idaho far too much money, but not a dime for 384 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: the citizen who caused this problem. You can listen to 385 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 1: the background on this story and Cal's Weeken Review episode 386 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,640 Speaker 1: twenty one. Here is your update. After six weeks at 387 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:50,120 Speaker 1: a fishing Game facility. The elk is bound for Texas 388 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,439 Speaker 1: A and M University, where it will be part of 389 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: the wildlife management and veterinary programs. The elk will join 390 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: a number of native and exotic wildlife species that roam 391 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 1: the university's animal paddock, including white tailed deer, fallow dear zebra, 392 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: add as antelope and ostrich. Of the alternatives available, and 393 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,160 Speaker 1: M was the best place for this elk to land 394 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: fishing game wildlife veteran arean Dr. Mark Drew noted he 395 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,919 Speaker 1: will be well cared for and enjoy a good life 396 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 1: at this world class facility. Doesn't that sound way better 397 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,679 Speaker 1: than living free in the mountains Idaho? Thank god for 398 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:30,120 Speaker 1: this animals Facebook page and the concerned citizens that help 399 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: provide this luxurious experience. As a reminder, Idaho Fishing Game 400 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:38,119 Speaker 1: and Agency, with the monumental task of keeping just about 401 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 1: everyone who goes outside happy, an agency that receives zero 402 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,159 Speaker 1: funding from the state fund and survives only on the 403 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 1: sale of hunting and fishing licenses, paid for all of 404 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:53,440 Speaker 1: Elliott's relocation. So if you're looking to slowly bleed the 405 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: hunting and fishing public, start habituating elk and deer. They 406 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: can apparently go live happily at a veterinary facilit pity 407 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: in Texas. That's all I've got for you this week. 408 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,880 Speaker 1: Believe me when I say thank you. 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