1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: From the twenty twenty three NFL Combine. This is Patriots Unfiltered. 2 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 1: All right, it's Saturday here in Indianapolis, and we are 3 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: putting a final rap on the NFL Scouting Combine. We've 4 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 1: been here all week. It's Mike Duso, It's Evans our 5 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: Patriots dot com. By now you should know that because 6 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:21,959 Speaker 1: we've been pumping out podcast videos and written material like 7 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 1: you wouldn't believe. It's been awesome. Evan, how are you 8 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: feeling that? First off, let's just get a wellness check 9 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: on you. Are you overwhelmed right now or what? This 10 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: morning I was It was a little tough getting out 11 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: of bed. You guys were texting me that I was 12 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: a little late to our to our breakfast pow wow, 13 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:40,520 Speaker 1: and I had to meet you at the Starbucks across 14 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 1: the street instead. Obviously everything went fine, no, no, no, 15 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 1: worse for the wear. But it's been a long week. 16 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:49,480 Speaker 1: It's been an awesome week. I'm not trying to look 17 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: I hate complainings. Hey, we're working here, but we love it. Like, oh, 18 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: I had to go to the combine per a week. 19 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 1: It's terrible, No, of course not, but yeah, it's a grind. 20 00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: It is when we've got so much information coming in 21 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 1: and it's it's great because it's as much as we 22 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: turned out a lot of content this week, we also 23 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:05,479 Speaker 1: feel like this is just going to inform everything that 24 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: we do over the next couple months. And you know, guys, 25 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: when they are drafted, We've talked to these guys, we've 26 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: seen them. You know, you don't know, we don't know them, 27 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: but um, you just have such a much better sense 28 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: of the prospects and this draft class. And it's been 29 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:18,320 Speaker 1: a great week. We're going to start off here at 30 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:20,400 Speaker 1: the top, just with the offensive line, in the running 31 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:22,960 Speaker 1: backs who went today here on Saturday for the final day, 32 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: clearly a huge need Evan for the Patriots at at tackle. Um, 33 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 1: you know, we don't really know what's going on with 34 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: Trump Brown. The fact that he's played both left and 35 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: right in New England kind of leaves some confusion as 36 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: to well, what exactly do they need? Um, they did, 37 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: you know, resign Connor McDermott. I think we're all, you know, 38 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: thinking that's a not a three four depth signing, thank you. 39 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: But overall, there's a lot of really good guys here, 40 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: starting with Peter Scronsky, who kind of kick things off today. 41 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: A lot to like about him. Yeah, I always go 42 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: back to the three year starter thing with him and 43 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: the technique, and he's just so technically sound, comes from 44 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: football lineage with his grandfather playing for the Lombardi Packer, 45 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: is a three years starter at Northwestern in a power conference, 46 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: and just his technique, his ability to see moving parts 47 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: and diagnosed rush schemes, blitz his stunts like things like that. 48 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: There's just so much polish to his game. It's really 49 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: hard other than the physical stuff, which I'm sure we'll 50 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:20,639 Speaker 1: get to here in a second, but it's really hard 51 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 1: to find a flaw. In Peter Skanski's film, he's great 52 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 1: out of the stance. He's got great footwork, he's got 53 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: great hand technique, great awareness and eyes and pass pro like. 54 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: There's just no flaws to his game. The flaws is 55 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: something that's trivial and kind of silly, and that's that 56 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,079 Speaker 1: he's got a little bit shorter arms and look when 57 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:42,239 Speaker 1: he was standing up there, he's not one of these hulking, 58 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 1: giant left tackle prospects. He's not a we didn't get 59 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,079 Speaker 1: to see him today, but he's not Dwan Jones. He's 60 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:51,920 Speaker 1: not Darnell. Right, he's not Broderick Jones. He was this big, 61 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: barrel chested guy standing up there. He is a little 62 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: bit built like a guard. I get it, I get it. 63 00:02:57,720 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: But I think that he's going to play in the 64 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: league for a very very long time. Yeah, whether and 65 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: if he does have to move into guard. I mean, 66 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: and that's not what the Patriots want with on when 67 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: you and strange there, But it's a guy that you 68 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:07,919 Speaker 1: know with you, I don't want to say he's a 69 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: can't miss. Maybe he is as potential miss at tackle, 70 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: but he's not gonna be able. He's not gonna miss 71 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: if he moves inside. Yeah, and just one more thing 72 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: about it too, because this bothers me, bugs me that 73 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 1: we talk about this kind of stuff so much. Like 74 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: but Bryce Young too, right, like, oh god, so see 75 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: five nine is five ten? Does a really matter? Can 76 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 1: play football? Right? And with Peter Scronsky too, I just 77 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: want to say, this is no offense. But this is 78 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: not Isaiah winn Okay, this is not a six foot 79 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: two offensive lineman. This is a guy that's going to 80 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: measure in at six four three ten with maybe thirty 81 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: two in an eighth inch arms Instead of thirty three, Like, 82 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: that's what we're talking about here. We're not talking about 83 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: a guy like Winn who was severely undersized and for 84 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: an offensive lineman period, tackle, guard, center didn't matter. He's 85 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: just undersized that Peter Scronsky is just has a little 86 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: bit shorter arms that it's yes, and the kid can 87 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: play football, and you know, the Patriots are probably one 88 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: of those teams that can appre Hey, this guy's a baller. 89 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: He doesn't have the longest arm. It's not a big deal, 90 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: but it's hard not to look at You mentioned Roderick Jones, 91 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: Paris Johnson got up there today, and those guys do 92 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: have that look. And they're not as experienced as Kronsky. 93 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: They only you know, have a year each at left tackle. 94 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: But when you look at the measurables, that's what they're 95 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 1: going to check. So you know, you can see where 96 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: we're kind of at. Not to mention that there's some 97 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 1: later later round guys, you know, and I would say 98 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: later round, I mean, I'm saying, did you guys big 99 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 1: round guys you know that still could potentially come in, 100 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:27,479 Speaker 1: and you know, if they leave tramp around at left tackle, 101 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: maybe you do just draft a right tackle and bring 102 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 1: a guy in and then worry about left tackle next year. 103 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 1: But just so many guys. I think there's a you know, 104 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: probably six seven guys that I looked at today that said, Wow, 105 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 1: these guys sound right, they look right, and they would 106 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 1: be great fits for what the Patriots. Yeah, Paris Johnson, 107 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:44,359 Speaker 1: that guy is just like built in a lab to 108 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 1: play left tackle. Just has that athletic but still offensive lineman, 109 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:52,359 Speaker 1: big type of body type. I think he said that 110 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: he slimmed down maybe just a little bit so he 111 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: would run faster in the forty, but in general, he 112 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: You just look at guys that are just you know, 113 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: built for it. You know, he printed him out and 114 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 1: he's just a left tackle. I just felt like he 115 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: was the one the most in terms of his body composition, 116 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: looked a part the most. I'd also want to mention 117 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: Anton Harrison. I feel like I need to mention him 118 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:18,119 Speaker 1: more and more and more because he's getting He's flying 119 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 1: a little bit under the radar. I would say compared 120 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: to that consensus top three Scronsky, Jones, and Johnson, I 121 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 1: think Anton Harrison is right there with them as a 122 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,159 Speaker 1: I would almost call it a big four at this point, 123 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: maybe even a big five. But Darnell right oh, I 124 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:36,600 Speaker 1: think is extremely impressive too. But Anton Harrison is a 125 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 1: true pure left tackle. He has excellent feet and athleticism, 126 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: can get out and block and get out to landmarks 127 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: and pass protection. He's a pure left tackle as well 128 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: that the Patriots could be interested in. I'm glad you 129 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 1: brought him up. And then, of course Tyler Steen from 130 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 1: Alabama was someone that we had. We had Jordan read 131 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: On from ESPN which you guys can listen to at 132 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: the end here. Nice fifteen minutes with him, great stuff 133 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: just to about the overall draft Patriots specific as well. 134 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: But he was a guy Tyler Steen from Alabama, which 135 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: I know I think he was in your first mock draft. Yes, 136 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:09,919 Speaker 1: um was a guy that we had. As you know, 137 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 1: maybe he might have to move inside, but again, seems 138 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: like a really good fit. Versatility is solid. Although I 139 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: you know, I found myself at this point with the tackles, 140 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:18,159 Speaker 1: it's like we don't need him to be verse style. 141 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: I just want him to be able to play tackle right, 142 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: you know. But still he seems like a guy played 143 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: for Bill O'Brien. You spoke with him today. Yeah, he 144 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: seemed to really like playing for Bill O'Brien had some 145 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:28,720 Speaker 1: really good things to say. I'll write it up and 146 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: you guys can read the quotes on Patriots dot Com. 147 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: Nice teas there. That was seamless. I'm gonna teach something 148 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:38,039 Speaker 1: else like anyways, uh was Steen. I think what I 149 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: like about Steen, and this is what I did in 150 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: my first mock draft, and that was I took Scronsky 151 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: in the first round and then I double dipped with 152 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 1: Steen in the fourth round. I think what you do 153 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 1: there is that he has some versatility to play inside 154 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: or outside. So whether you need him at guard or 155 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: you need him at tackle, I think he can play 156 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: as a swing position player that maybe is a four 157 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: position player for you at the next level. And if 158 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: you're yeah, you're looking for the starter. They need that 159 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 1: at the top of the draft. But in the middle rounds, 160 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: if they want to grab a guy like Steen who 161 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: can play guard or tackle and give you that backup versatility, 162 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: those are such valuable players because somebody's gonna get hurt. 163 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: I hate that, but somebody's going to get hurt. And 164 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: if it's a guard guy gets hurt, or it's a 165 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: tackle that gets hurt, now you have a really solid 166 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: backup or bowl position. Well, I mean just look at 167 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: the end of last year. I mean you had you 168 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: had to go get Connor McDermott off of the Jets 169 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: practice squad, you know, to play for your right tackle 170 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: because of injuries. So it's it's certainly a thing to consider. 171 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: You look at Michael and when you he's going to 172 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: be a free agent next year, right, do they want 173 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: to pay Cole Strange and his upcoming you know down 174 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: the road fifty year option. It's it's just a lot 175 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: of money to lock up into guards and it's not 176 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: hard to see them saying love you, Michael when you 177 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: But maybe you can get a guy this year in 178 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: the interior. So maybe that's a little bit of a 179 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: position or idea that's under the radar. Let's talk running backs. 180 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: Have I know, neither one of us is, you know, 181 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: too overly high on any of these guys, but we 182 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: do think like there's always an option. Where's that James 183 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: White type, Where's that Kevin Falk type. We've been looking 184 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: for him. You know, you're strong. He doesn't really look 185 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: like that guy. I mean, I know that he can 186 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: catch the ball a little bit and you know, maybe 187 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: there's some expectation that he can come in and be 188 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 1: the third down back. Um. But I do think that 189 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: both of our radars are up on these third downback types. 190 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: And you know, whether it's ty Jay Spears, who's you know, 191 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,239 Speaker 1: just super electric, um, you know, Kenny Macintosh from Georgia 192 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: another one who you know kind of fits that mold. 193 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: There's a few of these guys in this draft that 194 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: then maybe could fit Deuce. Deuce Vaughn, oh there he 195 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: I was like, what what I do? I mess something up? 196 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: Did I say something wrong? Because of course we've been 197 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: here about eight day, so I feel like it could 198 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: have been Vaun from Kansas State. He used two guys 199 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: that he one guy that he studies on film now 200 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: because this other guy's retired. But a lot of the 201 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: comparisons that you get from for Deuce Vaughn from k 202 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 1: State is Darren Sproles, and he's got He's not tall. 203 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: He's gonna be like five six, so he's gonna be smaller. 204 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: I understand that some people might hear that and think 205 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: JJ Taylor, but I think it's more electric than J J. Taylor. 206 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: I think he's quicker or faster or stronger than J. J. 207 00:08:55,679 --> 00:09:00,040 Speaker 1: Taylor is. And he's got that electric, big playability and 208 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: change of direction if you want to get sold on him. 209 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 1: I know they didn't win the game, but the bowl game, 210 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: the Sugar Bowl against Alabama, he housed one from like 211 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 1: sixty five yards out against Alabama's defense and he's just 212 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: shot out of an absolute cannon. He's got some returnability. 213 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: I know that Marcus Jones kind of has that on lock, 214 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: but just another area that he could maybe contribute. But 215 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: him and I spoke a little bit about what he 216 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 1: said that Kansas State called de Fresno route, which is 217 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: just a full backfield option route, and he said that 218 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: he has basically just get open, right, whether it's man 219 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:34,199 Speaker 1: or zone, he has basically the entire freedom to just 220 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 1: get open. Now, obviously there's rules within those parameters based 221 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: off a leverage, man coverage, zone, coverage, whatever, But those 222 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: are the types of routes that you look at from 223 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 1: a Patriots perspective, and those are the James Whites, the 224 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: Shane Vereens, the Danny wood Has, the Kevin folks. Those 225 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 1: are their routes, right, that's what they ran out of 226 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: the backfield or those little angles or options, and I 227 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: think DU's fond can take it get open at the 228 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: top of the route, and then I think this guy 229 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: can go. So you're gonna have a little bit of 230 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:02,079 Speaker 1: yackability there as well. I really liked him. I think 231 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: he's an impressive kid, and I think the Patriots will 232 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: be interested. I think there's only room for one deuce 233 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 1: here Patriot that the Patriots. But we'll see how we've been. 234 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: We were so tired and been here for so long 235 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: when I had made the deuce joke. You had no 236 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: idea though, I thought, I just really I thought I 237 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: said something wrong, and you were like, that was last 238 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: year's running back and they're like, well, I'm totally fried. 239 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: Um all right. So that that's kind of it for 240 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: the position group. So we're gonna just get into a 241 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: little bit of a general recap here. And of course 242 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: we've been here since Monday. We saw all the coaches 243 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: and gms, and we've been you know, talking to people here. 244 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 1: We've had some great podcast guests. Again, as I said 245 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: at the top, you know, it's just great to put 246 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: a face to a name, really be in person with 247 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 1: these guys and just get a sense of their size, 248 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 1: I love that today with the offensive lineman. The big 249 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: takeaway for me though, is the cornerback class, and I 250 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: think they stood out with their testing, they stood out 251 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 1: at the podiums. It's a big need for the Patriots. 252 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: And and and let's let's as we do on this podcast, 253 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 1: even we like to digress a little bit sometimes and 254 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: you know, connected to the bigger picture for the Patriots. 255 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: But bring up a point I brought on one of 256 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: the podcasts earlier in the week was sixty sacks last 257 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 1: year twenty second on third down defense? You know what 258 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: is it? And I think Evan and I both kind 259 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 1: of get down to it's the cornerbacks. They need, you know, 260 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: better coverage. You need that kind of lockdown guy when 261 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:11,199 Speaker 1: you go up against so many of these teams have 262 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: that number one target. And not to say that, all right, well, 263 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 1: you need a guy that you're just going to have 264 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: him follow him all over the field and take him 265 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: out of the game. That's unrealistic. But I think you 266 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 1: need that alpha dog, which they kind of lacked in. 267 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: And no disrespect to Jonathan Jones, who I think is 268 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:25,559 Speaker 1: an outstanding player and I would love to have back, 269 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 1: but I just think you look at the last ten 270 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: years of the Patriots, when have they been at their best. 271 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: They've been at their best when they had to keep 272 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: to leave and Drell Reeves and Stefan Gilmour and Jase 273 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: Jackson and you know those kind of guys. And I 274 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: know that there are different ways to get those guys 275 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: and a large majority of them were free agent picks. 276 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 1: But I like what the Patriots do with cornerbacks. I 277 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 1: think they have an eye for cornerbacks. I think they 278 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: can coach cornerbacks. So the theme we've been going and 279 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 1: are and Jordan reed are our guests the same thing 280 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: I did. He's like, let's double dip for the Patriots 281 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: on the cornerback class. It's outstanding And a lot of 282 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: guys make great impressions this week, this quarterback class, because 283 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:01,959 Speaker 1: on for days like if I'm gonna sit here and 284 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: listen the amount of corners that I could go on 285 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:05,599 Speaker 1: the top one hundred, We're going to be here for 286 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: a while, so I want bore people with it. Bow 287 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 1: does point out a few of the guys that really 288 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: stood out to me. Look, Christian Gonzalez is ridiculous, Like 289 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 1: that guy's going in the top ten. I wish he 290 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:17,559 Speaker 1: could go to the Patriots at fourteen, but I don't 291 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: think he's making it to fourteen. What his athletic testing 292 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: was superbying four three aid forty inch vertical at six 293 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 1: one two hundred pounds. I mean, get out of here. 294 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: But then you talk about the drills on the field, 295 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: I mean, so smooth, just so quick at w drills 296 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: and things like that. It just it was impressive to 297 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: watch him out there. And I understand that there's maybe 298 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 1: a feeling around here that there isn't like a Sauce 299 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: Gardener or one of these, like you know, lock number 300 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: one corner types. But I think Christian Gonzalez is pretty 301 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: darn close. And then I think Joey Porter Junior has 302 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: the makeup of a number one corner and maybe could 303 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 1: get there. It was certain parameters, you know, matchups and 304 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: things like that being specific to him. He's not going 305 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: to cover coming to the league and cover Tyreek Hill, 306 00:12:58,000 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: but he might come into the league and cover Tea 307 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: Higgins right or Jamar Chase or something like that. That 308 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: it's a little bit more of a bigger receiver. So 309 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: I think that those two guys are going to go quickly. 310 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: We didn't really see much or here much from Witherspoon 311 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: this week, unfortunately, but I think that he's somebody that's 312 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 1: obviously in that top ten mix as well. But you 313 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 1: really start to think about is it the best use 314 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 1: of the fourteenth pick? With how deep this cornerback class 315 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:23,079 Speaker 1: is and the fact that they are bringing back the Joneses, 316 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: the rookie Joneses, I should say, probably going to make 317 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 1: a pretty run at a good run at Jonathan Jones 318 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:31,559 Speaker 1: to bring him back, and then you still have Jalen 319 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: Mills under contract. I know that some people have floated 320 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: Mills as a potential cab casualty, but I think in reality, 321 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: you look at the depth chart, that's four guys that 322 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 1: are contributors or maybe even starters for you that you're 323 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: returning to this team. So what I get caught up 324 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 1: in is sort of the next thing. And when I 325 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: talked to mac Row and the interview I did with 326 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: him this week, he said, it's important to have balance 327 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: at a position like that, and it's body types. It's 328 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 1: building your basketball team, right. You have a bunch of 329 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 1: point guards, you need some centers, right, And I think 330 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: that that's where I would like to see the Patriots 331 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: go with it next. It's not necessarily needing to target 332 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 1: that pick at the fourteenth overall as a corner, but 333 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: maybe forty six turns into a corner pick, and maybe 334 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: you trade up a little bit and do what they 335 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: did with Christian Barmore to get Deante Banks, A cam 336 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: Smith and Emmanuel Forbes, somebody like that who's got some size, 337 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: some length, some outside cornerback ability, but still has that 338 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: athleticism that maybe they could develop into a number one 339 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: corner and has that upside because I think this cornerback 340 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: class is so deep that some of these guys might 341 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: be end of the first round, early second round, but 342 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: they're still gonna have insane upside because the athleticism is 343 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: just off the charts. You know. Julius Brent's another one 344 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: from Kansas State. I haven't really liked all week. He's 345 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: somebody that I think has that type of upside too. 346 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 1: So it's a really great cornerback class. And the great 347 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: thing about it for the Patriots is that there are 348 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: a number of those body types. There are a number 349 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: of six one six two type corners where you can 350 00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: get some size. Yeah. Camp Smith was another one that 351 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: then made impression on me. I think he had said 352 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: a pretty intense interview with the Patriots a couple of 353 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 1: couple other things. Just to point out, you mentioned Emmanuel Forbes, 354 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 1: who you know ran fast but didn't did really weigh 355 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: that much, so you know, something to consider. One other 356 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 1: thing I wanted to bring up to discuss we haven't 357 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: even talked about it yet, was just Brian Branch and 358 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: I mean we were even talking last night about you know, 359 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: what's he going to run? He's with the cornerback group. 360 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I think all of us have just been 361 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: talking about him like he's going to be a strong safety, 362 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: Like there's no question he can play in the box. 363 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: He was, you know, technically a slot corner, but you 364 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: know that's kind of the Kyle Dugger thing and that's, 365 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: you know, the role you kind of see him in. 366 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: I mean, how surprised were you by the number that 367 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: he put up? And what do you think that does 368 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: do his draft status because some people have him still 369 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: going in the first round and he's one of those guys. 370 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: As we talk about Scronsky, he's a football player, like 371 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: he just sees the game. He's physical, he knows how 372 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: to make plays. So it's it's another one of those 373 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 1: things where here's a measurable but the guy can play. 374 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: He's got top twenty film in the class. He does. 375 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 1: But unfortunately, when you come to this whole evaluation process, 376 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: it's it's not just about the film. It's ninety nine 377 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 1: percent about the film. But when you have these types 378 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: of outlie and you have a guy that ran in 379 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 1: the four fives at a at a defensive back position, 380 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 1: it's a little bit worrisome. And I would just say 381 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 1: this entire safety class was slow. I mean, they didn't 382 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: run very well in this entire class. And I think 383 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: a lot of these guys are these bigger box safeties. 384 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: You know, Jordan Battles and Jay Brown. You want to 385 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: go get the corner at Antonio Johnson from A and M. Like, 386 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: these guys are bigger guys. They're not. They're not Devin mccordy's. 387 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 1: They're not you know, I don't want to use Edvard, 388 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: but you know what I'm trying to say, they're not. 389 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 1: They're not these free safety types. It is my point. 390 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: They're not these center fielders, these deep part of the 391 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: field players. But I think Brian Branch could be that. 392 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: And with that forty time he's playing safety in the league. 393 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: You don't play corner. I don't slot outside. I don't 394 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: care with mid four fives at six feet one ninety like, 395 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: you just don't. So he's going to play the back end, 396 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: and I still like him. And so he's a little 397 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: bit slower than Devin was coming out, but converting from 398 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: corner in college or slot corner in college to back 399 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 1: end to the the field safety, deep in the middle safety, 400 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:05,399 Speaker 1: I think that that is something that's in his future 401 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: that could go well. But honestly, with the athletic disting yesterday, 402 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 1: I don't think he's a first round pick anymore. I 403 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: think he's going to fall into the second round. Maybe 404 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: be this draft and the Kobe Dean or something like that, 405 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 1: or we all had him up really high. Athletic testing 406 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:20,919 Speaker 1: knocks him down to the second round. That's what happens 407 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: here in Indianapolis. When you gotta get up, put the 408 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 1: scale on, get the weights going, get the running going. 409 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:29,400 Speaker 1: Other position group records. We talked to tackles at the top, 410 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: we talk cornerbacks, the big three. We've been talking about 411 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 1: him all week. The needs wide receivers. We you know, 412 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: got to see them yesterday, they're going to run today 413 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: and unfortunately we're recording this before we get those times. 414 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 1: But you know, I feel like it's going to be 415 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: more of who he just ran a four three he's 416 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: up in the first or who he ran a four 417 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: three he's you know, there's gonna be a lot of speed. 418 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 1: I'm not as impressed with the top the top of 419 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: the draft guys, and I think we can have, you know, 420 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:53,360 Speaker 1: some kind of talk about where does the Flowers land 421 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: given his size, He's gotten put on some weight, but dynamic. 422 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,160 Speaker 1: We saw Jordan Edison's weight roll in. He's a little 423 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 1: bit light as well. Just not a great wide receiver class. 424 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: And it's hard because you know, the Patriots want that 425 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: number one target. However, coming out of the combine this week, 426 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 1: it feels like they're gonna have to be very targeted. 427 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 1: Maybe day two. I don't want to say day three 428 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:14,239 Speaker 1: because it's hard to really take a guy in day 429 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 1: three and expect to get something out of immediately. But 430 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 1: I think they're gonna have to be really really put 431 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:21,159 Speaker 1: these guys under the microscope and try to find a 432 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 1: Day two guy that can bring something to them in 433 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: the middle of the field. Absolutely. I think the main 434 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: thing with this wide receiver class is that you have 435 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 1: some types, right, you have some different types of receivers. 436 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: Inside receivers are more plentiful, I would say, than the 437 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:38,160 Speaker 1: outside guys. But all these guys are really really good 438 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: at one thing, but they have some flaws in their game, 439 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: and none of them are true. I don't think any 440 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:45,640 Speaker 1: of these guys are going to be true number ones 441 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 1: in the league. I don't, but they might be really 442 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 1: good one bees or really good two's, right, or really 443 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:55,439 Speaker 1: good players in a very specific role in an offense. 444 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 1: And that's sort of where I'm going with this. With 445 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: Aza Flowers, I'll throw at as and in there as 446 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:03,159 Speaker 1: a slot guy, but really on day two, guys like 447 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: Josh Downs, Tank Dell, like some of those guys, Yeah, 448 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:08,639 Speaker 1: I think they can play in the slot that have 449 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 1: that quick twitch, that jitterbug type of skill set to them, 450 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 1: that can get in and out of breaks and create separation. 451 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:18,160 Speaker 1: So in some places, you know, those guys are not 452 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: a thousand yard receivers. But in New England and Bill 453 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 1: O'Brien's offense, or the pocket quarterback like Mac Jones is 454 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 1: gonna want to get the ball out of his hands quickly. 455 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: It's Wes Welker, it's Julian Edelman like, I think that 456 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: those guys can be the Patriots version of that. And 457 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:34,640 Speaker 1: I think you couple that with the fact that there's 458 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 1: a very good chance that they lose Jacobe Myers in 459 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:40,120 Speaker 1: free agency and you're gonna need to replace that inside 460 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 1: receiver in your offense with something. So I'm not bullish 461 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 1: on this class. I haven't been this whole time, but 462 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: I will say that I do think that you have 463 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 1: some really intriguing inside receivers, slot receivers, Z receivers that 464 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 1: can come in and play that role at a high 465 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 1: level and be a really good player within the framework 466 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,919 Speaker 1: of the system. Maybe not a game changer, but somebody 467 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: that's going to be really good at what they're asked 468 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: to do well. That feeds into my next position, and 469 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 1: that's tight end. And you said playmakers, we're trying to 470 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 1: get away from colin things weapons, we're not come playmakers. 471 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 1: I like that. I'm gonna say playmakers. It seems like 472 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 1: that might be a different way to go. You know, 473 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,679 Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not saying fourteenth overall, but there certainly 474 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 1: are a number of maybe a little bit higher ender, 475 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: higher enders that a word here, sorry again it's Saturday, 476 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,199 Speaker 1: but a little bit more high end guys maybe is 477 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: that f tight end that can move around. I mean, 478 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna go for you know, a 479 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: Dalton Kincaid or you know Luke Muskar, someone like that. 480 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 1: But I do think that this is an intriguing tight 481 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: end class if you are looking in the right places, 482 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 1: it's it's it's maybe not top heavy, but there's some 483 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 1: good depth in there. And I think that this is 484 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: a position maybe where you can get the guys behind 485 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: Johnah Smith, Hunter Henry, get that next generation a guy 486 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 1: to develop behind them. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, look, you 487 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: talk to people about this draft. Corner obviously stands out, 488 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 1: but I think most people think the tight end class 489 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 1: is the best, the best group in the draft. Michael 490 00:20:58,119 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: Mayer is going to be the first round pick. I 491 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 1: think Kincaid, musk Grave. I think they have a chance 492 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: to go end of first round or maybe like that 493 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 1: Dallas Goddard range, which is like the mid thirties, low thirties, 494 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,120 Speaker 1: something like that, at the top of the second round. 495 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: I think that that's where you're gonna see those guys 496 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 1: come off the board, but you know there's a lot 497 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:19,399 Speaker 1: of them, Tucker Craft, Laporta. You know, I think it 498 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: goes on and on and on. I can't remember the 499 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 1: other guy that I'm thinking of about too, well, obviously lots. 500 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: You know I like a lot too, but you'd like 501 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:32,880 Speaker 1: him a lot too. Sorry, again, we're punchy here, as 502 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: our producer, As Bradley, shakes his head and well, that's 503 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,400 Speaker 1: it's only a single face palm, which is literally which 504 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: is pretty good. It's shutting down around us. Let's let's 505 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,680 Speaker 1: give a shout out to the Lions. Over the Lions 506 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,120 Speaker 1: and Patriots. We are the last man standing here were 507 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:49,119 Speaker 1: the only ones who really care. They're they're about to 508 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 1: shut the lights off on us in here. They're about 509 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 1: to kick us out. But yeah, it's it's too funny, 510 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 1: but yeah, we I like this tight end class. There's 511 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 1: a lot of good tight ends in this class. I 512 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,360 Speaker 1: do gravitate a little bit towards Mayor as a first 513 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,360 Speaker 1: round option. I just want Patriots fans. And I'm talking 514 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,479 Speaker 1: to you Alex Bars because he doesn't. Me and him 515 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,199 Speaker 1: argued about this the other day after I told him 516 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: how impressive Mayor was at the podium. I want Patriots 517 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:16,679 Speaker 1: fans to remember what it was like in twenty eleven 518 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,120 Speaker 1: when Rob Gronkowski was dunking on the league and Aaron 519 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 1: her Nanez was dunking on the league. You can build 520 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 1: an offense through a dynamic tight end. It didn't necessarily 521 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 1: work out with the twenty twenty one guys. I get it, 522 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 1: Hunter Henry and john H. Smith didn't pan out at 523 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 1: that level. But if you get a guy like Mayor Er, 524 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: if you think that a guy like Kinkaid is that 525 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: move Travis Kelsey type of tight end, then it's doable. 526 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,159 Speaker 1: It's definitely doable to build your offense that way. And 527 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: we want them to dominate in the middle of the 528 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: field with a quarterback like Mac Jones, and maybe it's 529 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: a tight end. Like be open minded to that, because 530 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,880 Speaker 1: I don't want people to think about, well, we don't 531 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: need a tight end because we have two tight ends. 532 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 1: But you don't have two game changers at that position. 533 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,719 Speaker 1: You have two fine tight ends, you know. I think 534 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 1: Hunter Henry is a starting caliber tight end. Think Johnny 535 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 1: Smith is a fine piece in your offense. I think 536 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: Mayor has got the potential to be Jason Witten. You 537 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,160 Speaker 1: know this one of these guys. It's a ten year 538 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 1: with thousand yard receiver. They don't have that guy. Yeah, yeah, sure, 539 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 1: had a presence about him. All right, Well, we're gonna 540 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: put a put a bow on this in a second, 541 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:18,680 Speaker 1: but first we want to take you to Jordan Reid, 542 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: who we talked to was awesome. He's from ESPN. He's 543 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 1: like the next coming of you have. Everyone knows mel 544 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 1: Kiper and Tom McShay. They're the big two in ESPN, 545 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: and I mean talk about milk. Kiper's been doing this 546 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 1: stuff since probably anyone who's here wasn't even into it. 547 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: So he's kind of the next guy in that in 548 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 1: that so we're hoping we're establishing a long term relationship 549 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,359 Speaker 1: with him. He had a great, great interview, provide a 550 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 1: lot of insight. You can check that out right here. 551 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: All right, we're excited now to be joined by Jordan 552 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: Read from ESPN. I want to call him a friend 553 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: of the program because he's friends with Tamara Brown of 554 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: course of pages and felt there not maybe not yet, 555 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 1: but hopefully by the end of this podcast, we'll call 556 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: him a friend of the program. But Jordan, you're here 557 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: with us on Saturday. It's just the final cruise here, 558 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 1: like you know that that the just the die hard 559 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: the diehards getting the offensive lineman and running back. So 560 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,399 Speaker 1: thank you for joining us. And you know, just how 561 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 1: how is your combine week so far? What's good? You know, 562 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 1: it's like Christmas Day for me, just leading up to everything. 563 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,120 Speaker 1: And this is the fun part, right getting to figure 564 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: out these prospects, getting to meet him in person for 565 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,199 Speaker 1: the first time. You're watching so much film, and I 566 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: kind of compare it to buying a car. You're scrolling online, 567 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 1: you see cars that you like. You see the xterior, 568 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 1: but now this is where we get to see the interior, 569 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: the console, do we like the stern wheel? We actually 570 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,399 Speaker 1: get the test drive the car too. So this is 571 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: the fun part of the process because I have to, 572 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: you know, cover the Patriots and we have NFL football 573 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,880 Speaker 1: in the fall. I only like moonlight as a as 574 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: a draft guy, right, I come in in like January 575 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,479 Speaker 1: and the Patriots season ends and try to play catch up. 576 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 1: So I'm curious about your process though, because you are 577 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,199 Speaker 1: a full time draft guy. How does it start? You know, 578 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 1: where what do you kind of focus on in the 579 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: fall season and how does it go from there? So 580 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 1: I'll say the month after the draft en so May 581 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 1: I take the whole month of May off. That's where 582 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 1: I just reanagize the battery, get everything, spend some family time. 583 00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:59,880 Speaker 1: But once June hits, that's where we start to comp 584 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 1: a list of everything. And there's two programs in the 585 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 1: NFL where they combine a list of underclassmen and also seniors. 586 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,959 Speaker 1: So that's your first list of what are what it's 587 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: called draft eligible guys, So you're juniors are guys that 588 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 1: are three years removed from high school. So you're going 589 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: through that list, and what I do is I break 590 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: it down by position. That's how I developed my film list, 591 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 1: just because these are the guys that we potentially could 592 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: be talking about in twenty twenty four. And I go 593 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 1: through all the seniors first, just because I know that 594 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: these are the guys that they are going to be 595 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: at the East West Shrine game, they're going to be 596 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl. Then after that I get into 597 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,479 Speaker 1: your bigger name underclassmen, and then it's just a collision 598 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: course from there, watching hours and hours of tape, and 599 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,160 Speaker 1: then during the season, every weekend I do what's called 600 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 1: live scouting. So I'm traveling to games and I'm based 601 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 1: in Charlotte, so I stay in the Southeast for the 602 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: most part, so I'm right in the middle of the SEC, 603 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 1: the a SEC and schools like that, So most of 604 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,479 Speaker 1: the big time prospects are right in my area and 605 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,439 Speaker 1: seeing those guys throughout the year and up in press boxing, 606 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 1: rubbing elbows with a bunch of scouts. So that's what 607 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: the fall and spring really consists of for me. I 608 00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 1: know you're with the countdown, that true countdown is to 609 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: the draft. Of course, this Combine week it's just I 610 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 1: mean everybody who's anybody is here. It's you know, you 611 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,679 Speaker 1: get every one of the guys just overall before we 612 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: get into the Patriots. Just your general thoughts on kind 613 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:10,959 Speaker 1: of this class and if anything stood out to you 614 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,399 Speaker 1: this week, maybe that you weren't expecting having. I know 615 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 1: you've done so much work on these guys already, but 616 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:16,680 Speaker 1: you get here, you finally get to see him, talk 617 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: to him, anything that maybe change your mind or change 618 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 1: your perspective a little bit. Oh, I'm not necessarily changed 619 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,879 Speaker 1: my mind. I don't think this class is very strong 620 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:25,880 Speaker 1: at the top as far as guys that can come 621 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: in and be immediate contributors. Like there's no Aidan Hutchinson, 622 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 1: there's no Sauce Gardener. I don't think there's any guys 623 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 1: like that. But if you're looking to build depth at 624 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 1: certain positions, I think rounds two through four, there's plenty 625 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 1: of guys to build death in this draft class. So 626 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,120 Speaker 1: and that's not a knock on this class at all. 627 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,160 Speaker 1: It's just it's just different phases as far as how 628 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 1: you're trying to build a team. But if you're looking 629 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 1: for an instant impact type of guy, there's gonna be 630 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,120 Speaker 1: some challenges with finding that guy. There's not any there's 631 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,199 Speaker 1: no such thing as a safer, sure fire player, but 632 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: you can kind of know that a Sauce Gardener or 633 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:56,640 Speaker 1: you know, Aidan Hudson, those guys are going to step 634 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 1: in and be ready right away. I just don't see 635 00:26:58,440 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of players at the top and this 636 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,400 Speaker 1: class like that. I'm glad you said that, actually, because 637 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 1: my whole take on the wide receivers. Everybody in New 638 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 1: England Watson wide receiver, as you can imagine, And my 639 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 1: whole take on the wide receivers is that I'm just 640 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,639 Speaker 1: not in love with any of the receivers in this draft. 641 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,719 Speaker 1: I don't think that there is a Justin Jefferson or 642 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: DeVante Smith or somebody that did fall a little bit, 643 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,919 Speaker 1: wasn't a top five Calvin Johnson type of guy. And 644 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 1: people in New England they love Jordan Addison, they love 645 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 1: Zay Flowers of Quinton Johnston. What do you think of 646 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 1: those guys at fourteen for the Patriots? Because to be 647 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 1: honest with you need to convince me a little bit 648 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 1: because I'm not well. I will say this, We've been 649 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: really spoiled with really good wide receiver classes over the 650 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 1: past three or four years. So the mindset from a 651 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: media perspective and fan perspective is going to be a 652 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 1: little bit different just because you're seeing guys like DeVonta 653 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 1: Smith and Jalen Waddle. These guys come in and have 654 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 1: instant impact type of contributions on their team. So you 655 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,159 Speaker 1: really expect that going forward from every wide receiver class. 656 00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: And I think your spot on as far as with 657 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 1: this class, there's no bona fide wide receiver one that's 658 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 1: going to step in and be a superstar. There's no 659 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 1: Jamar Chase or Justin Jefferson, like you said, but if 660 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: you're looking for a complimentary option has a number two, 661 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: I think this is a really good class. Like Jordan Addison, 662 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:12,879 Speaker 1: I think you can step in and be a Calvin 663 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: Ridley type Quinn Johnston can step in and be a T. 664 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,400 Speaker 1: Higgins type of player. So there's no bona fide superstar 665 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,119 Speaker 1: that's coming to the league. But if you're looking for 666 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 1: a complimentary option that eventually could get to that point, 667 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 1: I think this is a good class for that. I 668 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 1: really liked your car metaphor earlier because I made a 669 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 1: similar amountaphor for offensive Lineman. I said in the past, 670 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 1: it's like buying tires for your car. Like nobody wants 671 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: to buy tires for your car. There's nothing sexy about tires. 672 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 1: But if you don't have tires, you're not gonna go anywhere. 673 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 1: We got to look at some of these guys today. 674 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 1: Peter Scronski's one that a lot of you know, Patriots 675 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 1: fans are looking at. The arm link is you know 676 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 1: the question. He's a three year starter than Roderick Jones, 677 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 1: Paris Johnson, Darnell Wright. That's the other big need. I 678 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: feel like cornerback, which which we'll get to. I'm sure 679 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 1: wide receiver, an offensive tackle or the big needs. How 680 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 1: do you see that kind of playing out? You know, 681 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 1: with Roderick Jones, Paris Johnson being a little bit less 682 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: experienced but have all the measurable by fourteenth overall, do 683 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 1: you think any of those could all three of those 684 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 1: guys potentially be even be gone. I think that's kind 685 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: of the sweet spot for all these guys from that 686 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 1: ten to twenty five range, as far as those top 687 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:12,959 Speaker 1: four or five guys and not just those three. Anton 688 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 1: Harrison from Oklahoma is another interesting name, Darnielle Right from Tennessee. 689 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 1: So this class is very similar to what we talked 690 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: about with wide receiver, of where there's no bona fide 691 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 1: number one guy as far as it's going to step 692 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: in and be a blind side protective for ten plus years. 693 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 1: But Scronski, I think he's the best of the group 694 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 1: as far as from a versatility standpoint, And a lot 695 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 1: of people don't know he actually came to Northwestern as 696 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 1: a center, so he initially played center, he moved to guard, 697 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 1: and then when Rashaun Slater declared for the draft and 698 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 1: ended up going a top fifteen to the Chargers. He 699 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 1: kicked out the left tackle and he was so good 700 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 1: there They're like, Okay, let's just leave him there, not 701 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 1: worry about it. So he has the versatility that you love. 702 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 1: You're gonna hear about the arm link with him. Is 703 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 1: he a guard or a tackle? But that's a good 704 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 1: problem to have, especially when you're talking about offensive lineman. 705 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 1: After that, Broderick Jones from Georgia, he's one that I 706 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 1: like a lot. I got an opportunity to see him 707 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 1: against South Carolina. Looks the part, very athletic, but is 708 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 1: a little bit rough around the edges, just because he's 709 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 1: only started one season. I don't even count his rest 710 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 1: freshman year of where he started the final four games 711 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 1: of that year, so fifteen game starter. Natural as far 712 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 1: as a pass protector, but has some improvement to do 713 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 1: as a run blocker. He ducks his head quite a 714 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 1: bit and things of that nature, so he has some 715 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 1: improvement to do there. And then Paris Johnson Junior, he 716 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: has experience at guard, but he just didn't look natural 717 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 1: there this season ago. I think he's a left tackle 718 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,959 Speaker 1: without questions, So it's going to be really interesting to 719 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 1: see how did the order As far as these guys 720 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 1: are selected just because talking to some scouts, there's some 721 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: people that like Jones at the top. There's some people 722 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 1: that like Skronski and then Johnson. There's others that like 723 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 1: Anton Harrison. So it's gonna be really interesting to see 724 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 1: how these guys come off of the board. The Patriots 725 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 1: tend to gravitate towards Senior Bowl, Shrine Bowl guys, guys 726 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 1: with experience. That's the one thing that I have a 727 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 1: question about with Brodrick Jones. So I loved watching, but 728 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 1: I'm not he's only got that what nineteen starts. I 729 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 1: think it is under his belt. But one of the 730 00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 1: guys that you mentioned though quickly, was Darnell right who 731 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 1: we just spoke to here briefly but the podium, and 732 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: he's a Senior Bowl guy and a multi year starter 733 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 1: against all those boxes checked, kind of like Scarnsky, what 734 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: do you think of him as more of a right tackle. 735 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 1: I'm sure at the next level, but somebody that can 736 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: come in and start right away. I think he's the 737 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: best right tackle in this draft class. I think it's 738 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 1: between him and Dwan Jones, another Senior Bowl guy that 739 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 1: performed really well that first day. But with Darnell, it's 740 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,239 Speaker 1: been really fun to just see his story unfold, just 741 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 1: because big time recruit. I think he was like top 742 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 1: ten ranked in the country when he came in, was 743 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 1: a little bit overweight when he came in, had to 744 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 1: slim his body down, but the matturation that he showed 745 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 1: from his junior to his senior year was just phenomenal. 746 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 1: And he played predominantly right guard during his first two seasons, 747 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 1: but the past two years he kicked outside the right 748 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 1: tackle and he was a little bit rough around the edges. 749 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 1: I keep using that thank cliche, a little bit rough 750 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 1: around edges as far as his technique. But you see 751 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 1: him go against Will Anderson. He was lights out great 752 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 1: against Brian Brici in the Bowl game. So I think 753 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 1: as far as a run blocker, he's NFL ready right now. 754 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 1: But what's gonna be really interesting to see with him 755 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 1: is just a testing numbers. That's something that a lot 756 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 1: of people are waiting on with him, just because the 757 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 1: biggest question with him is just how athletic he is. 758 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 1: But he shows to me plenty of athletic on tape, 759 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 1: but with scouts, they just want to actually see those 760 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 1: numbers to confirm what they saw. Yeah, a lot of 761 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,959 Speaker 1: our podcast listeners love Dwan Jones and mentioned from Ohio 762 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 1: State just kind of like a Trent Brown almost dum 763 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 1: with him in New England. Of course, what do you 764 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 1: see from him? And you mentioned with Fright, you know 765 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 1: some foot speed concerns. I think there are some of 766 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 1: those with Dwan as well, but he's so long and 767 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 1: so big that it might end up pattering at the 768 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 1: next level. Yeah. So I saw Duan walking around the 769 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 1: convention center like two days ago, and I was like, no, way, 770 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 1: that guy's real. Yeah, he's just I mean everything with 771 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 1: Trent and the Yeah, yeah, I mean these guys make 772 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 1: are all podium team here and these guys are just massive, 773 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 1: and it's like, man, I see why nobody was able 774 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 1: to get around you. But he was a bit of 775 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 1: in what I like to call an acquired taste for me. Um, 776 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 1: I didn't really I wasn't a huge fan of him initially, 777 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 1: but it's just like, man, he just doesn't get beat. Yeah, 778 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 1: and even though it's not pretty, he just gets the 779 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 1: job done. And he's not going to be for everybody 780 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 1: as far as like zone scheme, man blocking scheme, things 781 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 1: like that. But if you're looking somebody, for somebody that 782 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,239 Speaker 1: can just plug and play right now, and you're not 783 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 1: really worried about his technique, initially, I think he's your guy. 784 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 1: And with the Patriots obviously to have a huge need 785 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 1: at right tackle or excuse me, at both tackle spots 786 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 1: offensive tackle, so and they've had experience with a guy 787 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 1: like Trent Brown, So I think them already seeing that 788 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 1: type of body type, and then with the wand being 789 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 1: so successful at that position, and then just his monstrous measurables, 790 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 1: I think they're gonna be big fans of him. Not 791 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 1: necessarily at fourteen, I think that's way too early. But 792 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 1: if you're talking about day two somewhere, yeah, just before 793 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 1: we move over to defense really quickly, who's your favorite 794 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 1: mid round or later round tackle prospect that you could 795 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 1: see as a starter down the line in case they 796 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 1: miss out on the first wave of guys. So I 797 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 1: think this guy can be a guard or a tackle. 798 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 1: And his Tyler Steen from Alabama. I like him a lot. 799 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 1: He played his first three years at Vanderbilt and then 800 00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 1: he stayed in conference and transferred excuse me too, Alabama, 801 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 1: and I thought he played really well there. Another player 802 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 1: that you know, he has them cleaning up to do 803 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 1: as far as his technique, but as far as the 804 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,799 Speaker 1: athleticism and just the mentality that he plays with, he 805 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 1: has that from day one. Bill O'Brien connection, He just 806 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,400 Speaker 1: talked to him earlier, and Tamari's texts me right now, 807 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,560 Speaker 1: she's very excited that we're talking to you. So I 808 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 1: was going to interview him Monday, but I guess so. 809 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,319 Speaker 1: Turning the page to the guys we watched last night, 810 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: the cornerback. Yeah, and that's another big position to need 811 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,239 Speaker 1: for the Patriots. Jonathan Jones as a free agent, you know, 812 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 1: they had some size issues. I just think they've drafted 813 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,239 Speaker 1: Marcus Jones, Jack Jones not the biggest guys last night. 814 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,279 Speaker 1: I think we were all blown away by this this group. 815 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,760 Speaker 1: I know you said it's kind of a class overall, 816 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 1: but in terms of a year to need a cornerback 817 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 1: maybe too, it seems like this is pretty good year. 818 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 1: There's a lot options and this was one of the 819 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 1: positions that a lot of people hyped up, including myself 820 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 1: coming into the event. But I thought they lived up 821 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,760 Speaker 1: to the hype. I mean, this cornerback class. Just watching 822 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,839 Speaker 1: those guys move around in the stadium yesterday. From start 823 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,720 Speaker 1: to finish, they were phenomenal. And I mean I think 824 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 1: I was talking to some people yesterday. I think we 825 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 1: could see as many as fifteen on side of the 826 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,440 Speaker 1: top three rounds, which would be a record over. So 827 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:02,920 Speaker 1: if I was the Patriots, I would even consider double dipping. 828 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 1: I think I think that class. I think this class 829 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 1: is that special. Yeah. I the one guy that obviously 830 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,200 Speaker 1: not gonna say JR. Corny Benne because he's running right there. Yeah, yeah, 831 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 1: he's sneaky. Though I got to put him on my list. 832 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,080 Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't know that he had that kind 833 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 1: of speed. The one guy that is the other Maryland 834 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 1: corner actually who I was gonna bring up, Dante Banks 835 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,360 Speaker 1: is my draft crush. I just watching him against Ohio State, 836 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 1: and I felt like he was one of the only 837 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 1: corners that I watched consistently hang with Marvin Harrison Junior 838 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,440 Speaker 1: and not just get completely blown off the field no 839 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,759 Speaker 1: offense keiey Ringo. So I thought that, you know, he 840 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,400 Speaker 1: was somebody that really stood out. We know about the 841 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,400 Speaker 1: first round guys, you know, Gonzalez, port Or Junior, Witherspoon, 842 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,880 Speaker 1: but what do you see in Banks because, as Mike mentioned, 843 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 1: some size and physicality is something that Patriots could use 844 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 1: on the outside. So funny story about Banks. I was 845 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,799 Speaker 1: talking to my colleague mil Kuiper back in this was 846 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 1: in like October, and he was like, Hey, Maryland has 847 00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:58,880 Speaker 1: this corner that I think is really special. When we 848 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:00,759 Speaker 1: was like, no way, Mal, you're just hyping this guy 849 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:02,360 Speaker 1: up like you always do. He's like, his name is 850 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,839 Speaker 1: Deontay Banks, and he was like, I think he could 851 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 1: be a top fifteen pick. So come to find out 852 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:09,840 Speaker 1: here we are now. It was right. So just seeing 853 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 1: Deontay and just his ascension throughout the year, it's been great. 854 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,120 Speaker 1: He has the size, as you mentioned, he came in 855 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,080 Speaker 1: I think six foot like one hundred and ninety seven 856 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,480 Speaker 1: to words ninety eight pounds, so big corner, goes out 857 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,360 Speaker 1: and runs forty three, which is great for him. And 858 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,279 Speaker 1: I thought he looked very fluid in the drills too, 859 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:24,960 Speaker 1: And he's one of the few guys that I think 860 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,080 Speaker 1: can play man or zone in this class. And you know, 861 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:29,879 Speaker 1: he does have some troupe's finding the ball in the air. 862 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:31,839 Speaker 1: I think that's something that he does need to clean up. 863 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,600 Speaker 1: But as far as just being NFL ready right now. 864 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,880 Speaker 1: I think he's that. But the great thing about him 865 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:38,400 Speaker 1: is that if he doesn't work out a corner, I 866 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:39,839 Speaker 1: think he can slipping him back in the back end 867 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:41,839 Speaker 1: and play safety too. I think he has that type 868 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 1: of versatility. So if you want him, you're probably gonna 869 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:45,839 Speaker 1: have to take him at fourteen. If the Fatures want 870 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 1: him though, really yeah, I mean that's where it's trending 871 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,759 Speaker 1: because I sort of had him at They have the 872 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:52,880 Speaker 1: forty sixth pick in the second round, and I was 873 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:54,719 Speaker 1: thinking that maybe that would be a spot that they 874 00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:58,480 Speaker 1: could get him anymore, right, And I just watching him 875 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,319 Speaker 1: against Ohio State and he had this jam or It's 876 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 1: almost like he was a gunner on literally couldn't the 877 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,760 Speaker 1: guy couldn't get off the line. He was like trying 878 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,600 Speaker 1: to dance around him and he was he literally pushed 879 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,840 Speaker 1: him off the screen. Yeah, it was it was I 880 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:13,440 Speaker 1: think he was flexed out to the right, so yeah, 881 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,840 Speaker 1: and he would just pushed him off. Yeah. And it 882 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,040 Speaker 1: is a team that runs so much press man for 883 00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,040 Speaker 1: like the Patriots. I was like, oh, yeah, like you 884 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:22,799 Speaker 1: give me some of that, all right, I'll go to 885 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 1: the first round. Guys though, because I think you know 886 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:28,000 Speaker 1: that last one just to general and you know, fourteenth overall. 887 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:29,759 Speaker 1: We talked about kind of the three main positions, but 888 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,120 Speaker 1: just you know, for you, how do you kind of 889 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,080 Speaker 1: see things playing out? And who do you think might 890 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:34,960 Speaker 1: make sense? They are at the fourteenth overall pick for 891 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,560 Speaker 1: the Patriots, I think it's a good spot for offensive tackle, 892 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 1: just because I think there's a bit of a drop 893 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,399 Speaker 1: off after that that second round range. I think there's 894 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,680 Speaker 1: a precipitous drop off there, So I would look for 895 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 1: offensive tackle just because I think this cornerback class is 896 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,200 Speaker 1: so deep. I don't think you need to take one 897 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,560 Speaker 1: so early. I think you could take one and round two, 898 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,239 Speaker 1: a round three and be just fine. So one of Scarronsky, 899 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,960 Speaker 1: Paris Johnson or Broderick Jones and then coming back in 900 00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:58,799 Speaker 1: the second round and getting one of those corners. As 901 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,279 Speaker 1: much as I want banks, I think that you're right 902 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,360 Speaker 1: though about the corners at this point, watching these guys yesterday, 903 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,759 Speaker 1: the Patriots could probably pluck one in the second or 904 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 1: the third round and there'll be a system fit and 905 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,239 Speaker 1: it'll work out for them. I wanted to ask you, 906 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:12,880 Speaker 1: are we done with the first round? Guys? Can we 907 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:14,839 Speaker 1: go to I'm sure you were at the Shrine Bowl. 908 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,920 Speaker 1: He's for a time period, and the Patriots obviously coached 909 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:19,759 Speaker 1: out there in Vegas. Who were some of the guys 910 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,120 Speaker 1: that stood out to you on Day three? Maybe a 911 00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:23,879 Speaker 1: little bit later in the draft at the Shrine Bowl, 912 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,160 Speaker 1: because they're gonna take like six guys from the Shrine Bowl. 913 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,680 Speaker 1: So I'm just waiting for that. So there's one guy 914 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,600 Speaker 1: that I absolutely love and I'm surprised he's not getting 915 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,720 Speaker 1: more intention So his name is Lance Boyken from Coastal Carolina, 916 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,920 Speaker 1: and he was terrific yesterday. And he's not super fast. 917 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,040 Speaker 1: He ran in low four fives I think yesterday, but 918 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,759 Speaker 1: everybody six foot one, two hundred pounds, and he was 919 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,160 Speaker 1: terrific at the East West Shrine. He actually was on 920 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,440 Speaker 1: the Patriots squad, I believe at East West Shrine, so 921 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,759 Speaker 1: they got up close and personal look at him. Was 922 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,719 Speaker 1: terrific at Coastal Carolina. I think he had four interceptions 923 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,840 Speaker 1: last year. So Lance boym Coastal Carolina. He's like my 924 00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,200 Speaker 1: deep sleeper in this class. He's been terrific throughout the 925 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,960 Speaker 1: pre drift process. I like it anything else before we 926 00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,640 Speaker 1: let him go. Trying to think There's obviously a bunch 927 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,759 Speaker 1: of Shrine Bowl guys that I could rattle off right 928 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,759 Speaker 1: now and ask you about. But I think the one 929 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,480 Speaker 1: guy that really stood out to me and my podcast 930 00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,960 Speaker 1: cohouse Alex barth out there was Ketchall Clark from Louisville 931 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:17,880 Speaker 1: who had just like a great week out in Vegas. 932 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,560 Speaker 1: He's maybe a little bit more undersized for what the 933 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,520 Speaker 1: Patriots would want in this class, just because of the 934 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:25,759 Speaker 1: Joneses and things like that they already have on the team. 935 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,160 Speaker 1: But what did you think of his week out there? 936 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,200 Speaker 1: One of my favorites. I mean, especially as a nickel corner, 937 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,759 Speaker 1: you want to see those guys have infectious energy, just 938 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,000 Speaker 1: because I think half the battle, especially at cornerback entering 939 00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,560 Speaker 1: the league is confidence. You're guarding some of the best 940 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,840 Speaker 1: athletes in the world. You're moving backwards while they're moving forward, 941 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:43,800 Speaker 1: So you have to have that type of confidence and 942 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,200 Speaker 1: swagger entering the league, like I think all the top 943 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:48,880 Speaker 1: corners in the league have it. You think of with 944 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,480 Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey or Jaire Alexander, those guys that you know 945 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,520 Speaker 1: chart back at those guys, but they back it up 946 00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,040 Speaker 1: with their play and key trill. He had a fantastic week. 947 00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,040 Speaker 1: I thought he was one of the top five best 948 00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,920 Speaker 1: players they're regardless of position. He has the production that 949 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:05,040 Speaker 1: you look for, plenty of interceptions, played outside predominantly, But 950 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:06,520 Speaker 1: I think he's probably gonna have to be a nickel 951 00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:08,480 Speaker 1: on the next level. But I think he's gonna be 952 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,680 Speaker 1: a day one starter for someone. Okay, very last one 953 00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:12,759 Speaker 1: for you and let you go. We could do this 954 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:17,000 Speaker 1: all day. Dr Yeah, because he was with the Patriots 955 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,520 Speaker 1: at the Shrine, they seem to really like him. I 956 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:23,279 Speaker 1: think he threw the ball really well, and they might 957 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,239 Speaker 1: need another quarterback in that room that has a little 958 00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,440 Speaker 1: bit more athletic upside and can run a little bit 959 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,319 Speaker 1: more than the two guys that they have like Mack 960 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,959 Speaker 1: and Bailey. Zappers report this morning that they're probably gonna 961 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,480 Speaker 1: let Brian Hoyer release Brian Hoyer at the start of 962 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,320 Speaker 1: the league year. So looking at those two guys, DTR 963 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,760 Speaker 1: would be a nice kind of different type of prospect 964 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,120 Speaker 1: to add to that room. It's funny you mentioned that, 965 00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,719 Speaker 1: just because one of my biggest takeaways that I'll never 966 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:49,160 Speaker 1: forget about the East West Shrine was actually so I 967 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,200 Speaker 1: think they were doing like a special team's period during 968 00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,200 Speaker 1: the Patriots practice at the East West Shrine, DTR, coach 969 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,080 Speaker 1: O'Brien and coach Belichick were going through a progression that 970 00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,320 Speaker 1: he had messed up on, and I'm just standing beside 971 00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,719 Speaker 1: behind him. I'm a formal quarterback, so I'm eating stuff 972 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:03,839 Speaker 1: up like that, just hearing them go through it and 973 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:05,520 Speaker 1: how quickly he was able to pick it up and 974 00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,520 Speaker 1: how he messed up about it. So that was really 975 00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,640 Speaker 1: interesting to hear. But as far as just DTR the player, 976 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,040 Speaker 1: I thought he was much better last year compared to 977 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,160 Speaker 1: his previous three seasons, and he's my favorite developmental quarterback. 978 00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,200 Speaker 1: Him and Jakner from Fresno State, those are my two 979 00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,360 Speaker 1: favorite developmental quarterbacks of this bunch. But I think he 980 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,200 Speaker 1: could probably go forth or fifth round. I think that's 981 00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,080 Speaker 1: probably the sweet spot for him. But as far as 982 00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,879 Speaker 1: a developmental guy that has the mobility that you're looking 983 00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,560 Speaker 1: for that's really required of young quarterbacks, now, I think 984 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,160 Speaker 1: DTR would be a good bit absolutely awesome stuff. Well, hey, 985 00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,359 Speaker 1: Jordan Ready, thank you so much for joining us. Him 986 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,759 Speaker 1: a follow at Jordan underscore read on Twitter, and I 987 00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:38,600 Speaker 1: guess maybe this is the start of a beautiful relationship. 988 00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,319 Speaker 1: Anything here I mean, it's so funny listening to though, 989 00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:42,920 Speaker 1: you know, talk about mel Kiper and it's like you're 990 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:44,800 Speaker 1: you're the young rising star and we've all been watching 991 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,960 Speaker 1: those guys forever and so now I feel like, you know, 992 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:48,719 Speaker 1: we got an end with with the new guys. So 993 00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,800 Speaker 1: it's great. Absolutely, Thanks TV, Thank you guys. As always. 994 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:54,279 Speaker 1: All right, we're back to put a bow on it 995 00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,000 Speaker 1: here in Indy. Evan, what are your your final thoughts? 996 00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,919 Speaker 1: You're one big takeaway from this this this this week 997 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:01,279 Speaker 1: we've been here in India. I don't know, have you 998 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:02,640 Speaker 1: ever been here for this full thing. This is the 999 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,880 Speaker 1: first time I've been here for the whole thing, and 1000 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:06,880 Speaker 1: and yes I'm a little bit tired, but man, I 1001 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,000 Speaker 1: just I feel like I'm going back to Foxbro with 1002 00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,200 Speaker 1: so much you know, knowledge and insight to share with 1003 00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,560 Speaker 1: the fans and you know, hopefully get everybody ready for 1004 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,719 Speaker 1: what should be, you know, an outstanding draft. You got 1005 00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,120 Speaker 1: eleven picks, we know what they need. It's it's a 1006 00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,239 Speaker 1: big draft and I'm really excited coming out of here 1007 00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,560 Speaker 1: about it. My very first combine, I was here the 1008 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,920 Speaker 1: whole time. I actually flew out with the Patriots scouting 1009 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,680 Speaker 1: department on the last plane from India to Boston on 1010 00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,160 Speaker 1: the last day of the combine. So I have been 1011 00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,680 Speaker 1: here the whole time before. But I think what's really 1012 00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:35,839 Speaker 1: cool for me in this draft process is I went 1013 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:37,920 Speaker 1: to the Shrine Bowl, was out there for the week 1014 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:39,719 Speaker 1: of Pradice is at the Shrine Bowl, and then I 1015 00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:43,160 Speaker 1: came here. I know this draft better than probably most 1016 00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,239 Speaker 1: drafts that I've ever covered because of that. So I 1017 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,920 Speaker 1: got the no offense to the Shrine Bowl. I got 1018 00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,239 Speaker 1: the Day three covered with the Shrine Bowl. Now I 1019 00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:51,880 Speaker 1: feel like I came here and focus a little bit 1020 00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:53,680 Speaker 1: more on the top fifty guys and got to know 1021 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,000 Speaker 1: some of the guys they might pick in the first round. 1022 00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,359 Speaker 1: So it's been a lot of fun. It has been, 1023 00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,200 Speaker 1: and we're basically a draft report and we're not done 1024 00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:02,960 Speaker 1: yet either. And then you're listening to this podcast. We're 1025 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:04,880 Speaker 1: recording it here on Saturday, but we have, you know, 1026 00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,000 Speaker 1: plenty of leftover content that we're just going to be 1027 00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,360 Speaker 1: plowing through over the next few days. It'll be written, 1028 00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,680 Speaker 1: it'll be video. We got a lot on the pipeline 1029 00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,000 Speaker 1: that that is still to come. But the main part 1030 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,040 Speaker 1: of it for us is over We have some testing that'll, 1031 00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,440 Speaker 1: you know, maybe color some of our opinions and insight 1032 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,360 Speaker 1: as well, but overall that this is going to do 1033 00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:22,600 Speaker 1: it for us. It's a little bit sad, but we 1034 00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:24,759 Speaker 1: got to pack up. We're heading back to Boston. And 1035 00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,440 Speaker 1: of course we want to thank you guys for you know, 1036 00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,279 Speaker 1: listening to these All your comments have been great. We 1037 00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,719 Speaker 1: really appreciate it. And hey, let's put a wrap on 1038 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,280 Speaker 1: Indie twenty twenty three. We'll see you back in Foxboro. 1039 00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:33,959 Speaker 1: It was funny