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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Our two of Clay and Bucket's going

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Speaker 1: right now, everybody, We had mentioned that we want to

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Speaker 1: talk to you about the situation of the Russia Ukraine

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Speaker 1: War a little bit. As we're right around the one

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Speaker 1: year anniversary of the Russian invasion of that country. You

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Speaker 1: have Zelenski promising that this is going to be the

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Speaker 1: year of victory. We are, at this point in time

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Speaker 1: told I think it's important to discuss all the different

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Speaker 1: assumptions and beliefs around this. We're told that Ukraine is

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Speaker 1: in a good position to win. You have to win,

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Speaker 1: and then we're going to back them until they win.

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Speaker 1: This is the entire Democrat Party along along with this.

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Speaker 1: I mean, no person of any note in Democrat circles

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Speaker 1: got their Ukraine flag pins on probably all that stuff.

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Speaker 1: And on the right Republicans, Lindsey Graham, many others, very

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Speaker 1: big proponents. Mitch McConnell, big proponents of not just the

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Speaker 1: continued support of Ukraine, but a whatever it takes strategy

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Speaker 1: in terms of our support and our backing for this,

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Speaker 1: So right now, I think it's worth noting they have

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Speaker 1: already accepted that Clay. There's substantial costs that things are

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Speaker 1: more expensive as we talk about inflation. Now that's mostly spending,

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Speaker 1: but there is an inflationary effect that comes from or

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Speaker 1: a price effect I should say that comes from the

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Speaker 1: disruptions in particularly fossil fuels out of Russia, grain out

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Speaker 1: of Russia. So things have gotten more expensive in some

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Speaker 1: places because of this. That affects the American people. The

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Speaker 1: global economy, which is so much driven by the combination

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Speaker 1: of either fear or agreed right markets and speculators, and

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Speaker 1: how people invest or don't invest money. Is am I

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Speaker 1: going to get richer? Or am I scared I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: lose all my money? These things all affect the price

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Speaker 1: of everything from what you buy in the store to

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Speaker 1: how your four oh one k is doing. So there

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Speaker 1: are costs that have been associated with this so far.

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Speaker 1: But right now we're seeing both sides escalate pretty dramatically.

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Speaker 1: The Ukrainians are getting ready for a major offensive against Russia.

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Speaker 1: The Russians have called up hundreds of thousands more reserves

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Speaker 1: to fight on this, and we just sort of hear

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Speaker 1: vague stuff, vague stuff from the administration of what's going

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Speaker 1: to happen. For example, here is Defense Secretary Austin, who

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Speaker 1: is no longer wearing both a D ninety five masks

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Speaker 1: mean that, honestly. I don't want anyone in charge of

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Speaker 1: certainly of the Defense department. Here is Secretary of Defense

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Speaker 1: Austin on where this whole thing in Ukraine is going

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Speaker 1: place seventeen. When you look at this and you're making

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Speaker 1: your assessments, do you think this ends with negotiations or

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Speaker 1: does it end on the battlefield? Most likely it will

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Speaker 1: end with some sort of negotiation. And what the Ukrainians

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Speaker 1: are interested in is getting there, getting the Russians out

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Speaker 1: of their sovereign territory. And I think that's probably going

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Speaker 1: I'll let the Ukrainians speak for themselves. It really feels

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Speaker 1: going to hope that there's a massive withdrawal of Russian

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Speaker 1: forces from Ukraine and that Vladimir Putin goes, Okay, you're right,

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Speaker 1: I'm done. That's what he thinks is going to happen.

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Speaker 1: It's such an interesting and important question, and one we

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Speaker 1: have been raising for a year now. How does this end?

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Speaker 1: In most negotiations, Buck, both sides feel like they got something.

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Speaker 1: You may not be one hundred percent happy, one side

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Speaker 1: really seen a discussion other than Ukraine saying all Russian

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Speaker 1: to happen. How does this end? That's the question that

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Speaker 1: People say, oh, you're a Russia apologist because they are

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Speaker 1: presuming that the only way it can end is with

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Speaker 1: Ukraine evicting Russia from every bit of their soil. But

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Speaker 1: that seems impossible now, Buck, just based on the fact

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Speaker 1: effective now have trench warfare. How is Ukraine going to

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Speaker 1: be a negotiated piece now. I also think it's fascinating

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Speaker 1: I remember when you had the initial and it was

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Speaker 1: but it does seem to be a sham. It's military occupant.

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Speaker 1: Having a referendum under military occupation, you know, tends not

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Speaker 1: to be freaking fair election time. But the referendum they

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Speaker 1: had in Crimea, they took a big, valuable chunk of

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Speaker 1: No ifans or butts, that'll happen, and the Obama administration

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Speaker 1: let it happen. Didn't want to do really anything about it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I remember when the big debate was, well,

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Speaker 1: that this is the Obama administration. We're not going to

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Speaker 1: send the Javelin anti tank missiles. We're not going to

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Speaker 1: for the Ukrainians. And so we didn't think the world

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Speaker 1: let me rephrase that it wasn't affecting Americans day to

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Speaker 1: parts of the Russian Federation before. But now they've created

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Speaker 1: I am deeply distrustful of this narrative that there is

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Speaker 1: a domino effect that will happen unless we do this

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Speaker 1: all the way and back Ukraine to the health. First

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Speaker 1: of all, the same people who are telling us this,

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Speaker 1: and I mean the same people, not just in general terms,

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Speaker 1: the actual same individuals in the Biden administration who are

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Speaker 1: claiming this thought that we were going to be able

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Speaker 1: the biggest intelligence failures since I Rock WMD, and that

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Speaker 1: whole debacle right the fight there was no fighting because like,

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Speaker 1: oh no, the Taliban's in charge. So the same people

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Speaker 1: are telling you don't worry. This isn't going to create

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Speaker 1: a greater escalation from the Russian side of things if

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Speaker 1: we really backed them. And also the stories that we're

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Speaker 1: you know, we're all in on defending Ukraine or else

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Speaker 1: when people say that, I think that's insane. There's no

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Speaker 1: that's a fantastic question. I also think this one buck.

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Speaker 1: We're thirty one trillion dollars in debt. We have given

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Speaker 1: a hundred billion dollars roughly to Ukraine. Now, how long

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Speaker 1: this has basically entered a trench warfare style of battle,

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Speaker 1: this could be where at one year Now, would it

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Speaker 1: be crazy to you, buck, if in five or six

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Speaker 1: we going to commit hundreds of billions of dollars more

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Speaker 1: what I mean by that is we've given them a

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Speaker 1: is going to gain. And so are we Actually, even

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Speaker 1: don't understand why they aren't a more part of our

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Speaker 1: public discourse right now. And Russia had two wars in Czechnia,

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Speaker 1: much smaller scale conflict than what we're seeing in Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: So there's not going to be some moment in the

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Speaker 1: not warlike enough to continue this. We're going to stop

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Speaker 1: this whole thing. In fact, the deeper end they get,

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Speaker 1: the they're likely to get after it. Right, they're going

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Speaker 1: If you're an investor, they're going to decide that they've

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Speaker 1: This is their again, their theory, and this is what

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Speaker 1: give them that will kill more Russians, we should give them.

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Speaker 1: That is what we've gone through. And I'm talking about

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Speaker 1: not gonna happen. I think that's the ultimate crux of

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Speaker 1: giving them tanks now to me means at some point

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Speaker 1: are minorities. So that's not equitable. This disproportionally impacts the

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Speaker 1: peace and security. And so that's the reality here. We've

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Speaker 1: we've even had articles written, I mean, Bill Barr, the

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Speaker 1: how in a city like New York, which has eight

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Speaker 1: a ripple effect through all of the people are scared,

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Speaker 1: and think of all, you know, ten thousand people, some

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Speaker 1: You start to see how that can really affect the

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Speaker 1: back to this now alleged triple murderer Moses, including a

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Speaker 1: nine year old girl. Okay, this just happened in Orange

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Speaker 1: guy's list, Clay of previous offenses I talked about. He

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Speaker 1: stole a car. They pleaded it down to misdemeanor trespassing.

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Speaker 1: He was then sentenced. Later on he was arrested, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: The same month Clay, he was arrested and charged with

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Speaker 1: basically nothing. I mean there's no real enforcement of this.

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Speaker 1: In twenty fifteen, he was arrested on a burglary charge,

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Speaker 1: He was charged with robbery with a weapon, effectively armed robbery.

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Speaker 1: You know what they amended that. I mean, this guy

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Speaker 1: just kept just kept breaking the law, serious crimes, over

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Speaker 1: judges decided to make it all go away for him

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Speaker 1: their fellow human beings. And now three people are dead,

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Speaker 1: including a nine year old girl. This is what progressive prosecutors,

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Speaker 1: I just think everyone needs to know the truth of

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Speaker 1: buck Sexton Show. It may stun you. Some people don't

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Speaker 1: agree with everything that either Bucker myself say on the show.

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Speaker 1: You can always reach out eight hundred two eight two

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Speaker 1: two eight eight two and disagree as Al in Bloomfield, Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: Is all you believe in the war in Ukraine X

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Speaker 1: and you don't agree with some of the things that

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Speaker 1: Buck and I have been saying. Fire away right. One

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Speaker 1: thing I think we're missing is a lesson from the past.

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Speaker 1: What I'm referring to is Neville Chamberlain. For example, before

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Speaker 1: World War Two, he signed the Munich Agreement with Hitler

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Speaker 1: in nineteen thirty eight that seeded the sued Eyton Land

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Speaker 1: to Hitler. Well, Hitler just didn't take over the sued

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Speaker 1: Aton Land. He took over all of Czechoslovakia, followed by

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Speaker 1: Poland and France. And we see, where's the al. You're

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Speaker 1: talking to two of the biggest history nerds on daily

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Speaker 1: media anywhere. So Buck and I both know so Al

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Speaker 1: our position? What about what about Vietnam? Al? Yeah, about

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Speaker 1: the lessons of Vietnam? What about the Well, I guess

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Speaker 1: what concerns me is a dictator. I totally understand the

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Speaker 1: idea of appeasing a dictator, and we have talked about this,

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Speaker 1: and I appreciate the call. Look again, people have different

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Speaker 1: opinions on this. Buck, you and I have said for

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Speaker 1: a year now that this idea of comparing Putin to

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Speaker 1: Hitler is not a historically analogous situation because Russia doesn't

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Speaker 1: have the ability to invade multiple countries, and they certainly

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Speaker 1: aren't going to invade a NATO country and bring on

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Speaker 1: full scale NATO involvement. So I don't look, you can

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Speaker 1: totally say I want to spend a trillion dollars to

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Speaker 1: defend Ukraine, right, that is a political position that an

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Speaker 1: American could have, But the idea that we have to

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Speaker 1: do it because otherwise Putin is going to do what

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Speaker 1: Hitler did and run rampant throughout all of Europe, causing

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Speaker 1: a World War, I do not believe as a historically

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Speaker 1: analogous situation. I think you agree with that as well, Buck, Yes,

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Speaker 1: I mean this is does does anyone really think that

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Speaker 1: there's a given the trouble that Russia has had in Ukraine,

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Speaker 1: which which barely had an army when they invaded, that

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Speaker 1: Russia would then go on to invade the rest of

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Speaker 1: invade the rest of Europe. I mean, that's that's the belief.

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Speaker 1: I don't really understand how anyone can make that case

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Speaker 1: in any seriousness, And unless we're to believe that somehow

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Speaker 1: Article five doesn't count, right, You can't have it both ways.

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Speaker 1: It can't be. We have a debt of honor to

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Speaker 1: Ukraine and I spent one hundred billion dollars and if

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Speaker 1: we won't do that, well we wouldn't. We wouldn't actually

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Speaker 1: follow through with NATO Article five obligation for common defense.

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Speaker 1: I think we absolutely would do that. And it would

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Speaker 1: be insane for Russia to push on into Poland. I

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Speaker 1: guess what they'll say as well, It would be smaller,

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Speaker 1: you know, Transnistria and Moldova and the and the Baltics,

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Speaker 1: and they'll do smaller actions here and there. The Russians

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Speaker 1: have been doing that for a long time, the way

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Speaker 1: they've they've been engaging with Russian speaking populations in different

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Speaker 1: places outside of Russian Federation territory in the hopes of

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Speaker 1: using that and leveraging that for strategic depth. But this

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Speaker 1: brings us back to you, Okay, So if if the

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Speaker 1: answer is all of democracy fails and everything falls apart

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Speaker 1: unless we stop Russia in Ukraine, then why not send

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Speaker 1: why not have a you know, eighty second airborne land like,

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Speaker 1: why not just go for it? If it's if what

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Speaker 1: they say is true that the entire freedom of the

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Speaker 1: free world relies on us to feeding Ukraine. And by

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Speaker 1: the way, I think this is lunacy. But I'm just saying,

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Speaker 1: if that's true, then why have any limitations on our aid?

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Speaker 1: Why are we even having this discussion? Right? If it's

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Speaker 1: as important as they say, we shouldn't be worried about

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Speaker 1: giving them everything. And by the way, you're starting to

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Speaker 1: hear people actually say that. So this is what we're

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Speaker 1: heading toward. And the whole notion of reprisal from Russia

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Speaker 1: or escalation is getting lost in the sidelines. You know, oh,

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Speaker 1: they won't use nuclear weapons. We know they won't use

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Speaker 1: nuclear weapons. It's quite a bet to make. It's a

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Speaker 1: huge bet, particularly when again this question we asked, and

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Speaker 1: we've been asking for a long time. Let's presume that

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Speaker 1: Putin decided he didn't want to be in Ukraine. How

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Speaker 1: can he end the war in Ukraine without losing his

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Speaker 1: hold on power in Russia and admitting that it was

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Speaker 1: a colossal failure. Nobody has been able to explain to

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Speaker 1: me how that's possible. Maybe it is. Maybe Putin can

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Speaker 1: declare victory and pull everybody out of Ukraine. And he

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Speaker 1: can still remain in power. I don't think that's very likely.

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Speaker 1: And if pressure gets ratcheted up, if you back someone

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Speaker 1: adopt become more and more dangerous for the country. I

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Speaker 1: think this has to be remembered. The Ukraine is in

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Speaker 1: the Russian psyche, central to their security. I know that

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Speaker 1: we got to talk a little bit more about this clay.

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Speaker 1: The Russians Underputin will fight for twenty years and lose

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Speaker 1: a million men over Ukraine. They're willing to do that level.

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Speaker 1: So we think that we're going to help the Ukrainians

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Speaker 1: beat that amount of resource and will. I mean, we'll

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Speaker 1: see