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Speaker 1: Oh, we got a good one today. It's a Friday.

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Speaker 1: This will be the best Friday show pre super Bowl

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Speaker 1: week I've ever had. I really believe that. I honestly,

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Speaker 1: what happened in the NBA night last night was unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: What's happening with a couple of the young stars unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: I love today's show, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, so I got it.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know what I'm about to tell you, but

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Speaker 1: I have a couple of young hipsters on the staff

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Speaker 1: and they informed me this morning. And I thought this

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Speaker 1: had a sports connection. That the Android phone actually has

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Speaker 1: better technology than the Apple iPhone, but the Apple iPhone

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Speaker 1: has better marketing and branding. And what will happen is

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Speaker 1: you know this happens in Teca? Apple? Will you know

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Speaker 1: maybe borrow a couple of the Android widget features, and

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Speaker 1: a couple of years later you'll be like, oh, man,

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Speaker 1: Apple's phone's the best, and Android users are like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we've been doing that stuff. We've been doing that stuff

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Speaker 1: years ago. So I was told, hey, don't shoot the messenger.

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Speaker 1: The hipsters tell me that Android phones have better widgets

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Speaker 1: gadgets features than the iPhone. iPhones got better branding. And

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Speaker 1: I saw a story this morning, late yesterday, actually, Mike McCarthy,

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Speaker 1: the Steelers hired his old offensive line coach, James Campen,

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Speaker 1: who Aaron Rodgers loves to go with him to Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 1: They're trying to transform this offense. And I think a

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Speaker 1: lot of Mike McCarthy's problem, like Android, is the marketing

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Speaker 1: and branding. I mean, you hear people say Pete Carroll

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Speaker 1: he'll get Hall of Fame votes. Well, Mike McCarthy has

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Speaker 1: the same playoff record as Pete Carroll and a better

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Speaker 1: badding them up. I mean, Mike McCarthy twelve times has

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Speaker 1: had a top ten scoring offense. Pete Carroll doesn't have that.

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Speaker 1: So he is a good coach, there's no question. And

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Speaker 1: he wins a lot of games and his team score

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Speaker 1: a lot of points. So I think hearing this news,

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Speaker 1: I said this, it feels a little uninspiring. He's older,

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Speaker 1: And Pittsburgh did just go ten and seven with an

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Speaker 1: last six seven years toned af to offense. And remember this,

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Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy when he joined Green Bay. You remember Brett

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Speaker 1: think he made the NFC Championship. So it's like Mike

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Speaker 1: McCarthy makes quarterbacks better. In fact, Ian O'Connor, who wrote

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Speaker 1: a book, a great book on Aaron Rodgers, Out of

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Speaker 1: the Darkness, must read. The first couple of chapters are

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Speaker 1: his family's history. Aaron's family's history is amazing, he says.

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Speaker 3: Their relationship is better now than it ever was when

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Speaker 3: they were together in Green Bay and Rogers said to me, listen,

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Speaker 3: we did butt heads, but at the end of the day,

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Speaker 3: what people forget is Mike McCarthy changed Aaron Rodgers' entire

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Speaker 3: style of play when he got him out of col

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Speaker 3: He was very robotic, he had the ball back at

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Speaker 3: Probably eleven and six at best winning a playoff game.

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Speaker 1: be better offensively. It's just certain. The android Mike McCarthy.

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Speaker 1: I always said Steven Soderberg is a director in Hollywood.

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Speaker 1: when Sean McDermott got fired. Reportedly, it was a very

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Speaker 4: it looks like. But I truly believe in the direction

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Speaker 1: Now there's only two jobs left. Clint Kubiak, the Seattle

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Speaker 1: They've also got some interesting offensive people. Last night in

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Speaker 1: each other's throats. That's what's being reported. We'll talk about

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Speaker 1: So the Raiders don't have a coach. I think it's

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Speaker 1: And that's this tom foolery.

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Speaker 9: You may be a little early on those colonies, maybe

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Speaker 9: a little early.

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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe six or seven days early on that. Let

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Speaker 1: me start with this, I'll even start with let's just

431
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Speaker 1: start with Darth. So the KM of the Vikings just

432
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Speaker 1: got whacked. And so in my take is there was

433
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Speaker 1: tension in the building. I think there was some JJ

434
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Speaker 1: McCarthy couldn't stay healthy tension. Do you think you've been

435
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Speaker 1: in this league that when Sam leaves and crushes it,

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Speaker 1: do you think that was part of the tension over

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Speaker 1: the course of a year.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it was definitely part of the tension. They could

439
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Speaker 8: have kept him for twenty five million dollars. They didn't

440
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Speaker 8: know how J. J.

441
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Speaker 9: McCarthy was going to a play because he didn't really play,

442
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Speaker 9: and how he's going to play coming back from an injury.

443
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Speaker 9: So for twenty five million dollars have that kind of

444
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Speaker 9: insurance policy at the most important position.

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Speaker 8: You typically would do it.

446
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Speaker 9: But I feel like they felt in the building if

447
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Speaker 9: he was there, then that would slow down McCarthy's development.

448
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Speaker 9: It would put an impediment to it. But in retrospects,

449
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Speaker 9: you know, it probably was. It definitely was the issue

450
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Speaker 9: and why he got fired. Now, I'd say the way

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Speaker 9: that the season finished in Minnesota allowed him to make

452
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Speaker 9: that argument. Losing the game to secure the number one seed,

453
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Speaker 9: then losing the playoffs like they did, then it was Okay,

454
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Speaker 9: he's great in the regular season, but can he really

455
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Speaker 9: bring us to a super Bowl?

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: And then he plays his best game as a pro

458
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Speaker 1: and beats the Rams and you're reminded that your offense struggled.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, that probably the owner pretty angry.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right. I want to talk about the Bill

461
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Speaker 1: Belichick snub. So I would have voted him in. I

462
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Speaker 1: would have slept on it, I do think, and you

463
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Speaker 1: have direct knowledge of this. If you have multiple gates

464
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Speaker 1: on your resume and you've lost first round picks and

465
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Speaker 1: been fine. The NFL does not like to take away

466
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Speaker 1: first round picks. They don't like to do that. They

467
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Speaker 1: didn't like in two thousand and seven, the Super Bowl

468
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Speaker 1: week and Roger Goodell has to address the media and

469
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Speaker 1: they're asking about Spygate for a week because that's the

470
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Speaker 1: most coveted week of the year in the sport. It's

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Speaker 1: you know, so like I get people that were ticked

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Speaker 1: off within the league. And by the way, I think

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Speaker 1: most voters probably voted for him, and there's probably you know,

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Speaker 1: one or two had they gotten the other way, he

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Speaker 1: would have gotten in. But what did you make of

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Speaker 1: a snub? Let's start that, you know.

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Speaker 9: Bill, Yeah, I thought it was pretty ridiculous. There may

478
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Speaker 9: have been multiple gates. But we're talking about three super

479
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Speaker 9: Bowls after that, and what did he go to?

480
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Speaker 8: Six after that?

481
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Speaker 9: And he's got a total of six he's got two

482
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Speaker 9: as a as a coordinator.

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Speaker 8: And you could say, Okay, it's it's all Tom Brady.

484
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Speaker 8: That's not true. Look at Tom Brady early in his career.

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Speaker 9: Tom wasn't a guy at the end of his career

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Speaker 9: that he was at the beginning of his career. We

487
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Speaker 9: scored two offensives or three offensive touchdowns that first Super

488
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Speaker 9: Bowl run, and one of them was from Drew Bledsoe.

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Speaker 8: So to say it's.

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Speaker 9: You know all Tom, A lot of great coaches have

491
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Speaker 9: had great quarterbacks and not had that level of success. Now, look,

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Speaker 9: I've had my challenges with Bill, A lot of people have.

493
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Speaker 9: He's not missed a personality. The stuff that at Carolina

494
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Speaker 9: I don't think has helped him, and the end the

495
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Speaker 9: way it ended in New England didn't help him. But

496
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Speaker 9: to look at his body of work versus other coaches

497
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Speaker 9: and not say he's a first ballot Hall of Famer,

498
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Speaker 9: that's that's it's just not realistic, and it's it's because

499
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Speaker 9: you have some other issue with him that you want

500
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Speaker 9: to play out, not based off of whether or not

501
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Speaker 9: his accomplishment merit a first ballot Hall of Fame, which

502
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Speaker 9: they obviously do.

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Speaker 1: You know, the league, the argument is, I mean the

504
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Speaker 1: league for seven years warned him. You know, they warned

505
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Speaker 1: him for years and year. You know this, they warned

506
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Speaker 1: him for years years year. I think at one point

507
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Speaker 1: you've told the story where you called him and said,

508
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Speaker 1: you know, stop stop taping, stop doing that. Could I

509
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Speaker 1: make an argument if you would have been warned and stopped.

510
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Speaker 1: But you know, it's like telling your kid don't do this,

511
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Speaker 1: and your kid does that over and over. That's when

512
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Speaker 1: you get angry as a parent. Is is there an

513
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Speaker 1: argument that you were warned for seven years the league

514
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Speaker 1: was warning you to stop. By the way, there was

515
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Speaker 1: a spy Gate two, there was a second spygate where

516
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Speaker 1: there was another third round pick taken. Is it maybe

517
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Speaker 1: we're not talking about Spygate two because the flight gate,

518
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Speaker 1: which I never bought at all. I thought that was insane.

519
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Speaker 1: But what about the argument if you keep warning somebody

520
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Speaker 1: about something and they don't listen, that's where you get

521
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Speaker 1: into trouble.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I understand that, but it's not like after that happened,

523
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Speaker 9: he didn't have success. Okay, he's still had incredible success

524
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Speaker 9: after that happened. So do to pigeonhole the whole body

525
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Speaker 9: of work under that one time period. It doesn't make

526
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Speaker 9: sense because there was incredible numbers after that, whether it

527
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Speaker 9: was appearance's Super Bowl victories.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: I think it comes more to people that personal issues

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Speaker 9: with him. He's not warm and fuzzy. He didn't endear

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Speaker 9: himself to the media. You know, his whole thing was,

532
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Speaker 9: I don't care about the media because if I win,

533
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Speaker 9: they can't touch me, and if I lose, they can't

534
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Speaker 9: save me. So it was never a big deal for him.

535
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Speaker 9: His thing was like, so what you know? And that

536
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Speaker 9: doesn't resonate with a lot of people. And the voters

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Speaker 9: are our media members.

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Speaker 1: Listen. I like Sean Payton. Sometimes he leads with his chin.

539
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Speaker 1: And I've also said, you have to be comfortable with conflict.

540
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Speaker 1: I you're a head coach, a head coach quarterback relationships

541
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Speaker 1: like a marriage. You're in trouble when you stop talking.

542
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: I've seen. I mean, that's when you're in trouble. If

543
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Speaker 1: you don't have disagreement, you're in a lifeless marriage, lifeless relationship.

544
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Speaker 1: I argue with buddies, I argue with friend. That's the

545
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Speaker 1: reality of relationships. But bon Nicks called out Sean Payton

546
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Speaker 1: for talking about his injury. What did you make of

547
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Speaker 1: the whole thing?

548
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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: I didn't understand, and I agree with you, Colin.

550
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Speaker 9: You do have to be willing to have conflict, but

551
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Speaker 9: you want the conflict to be constructive conflict, and you

552
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 9: want to be you want to disagree without being disagreeable

553
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Speaker 9: ideally and to call out bone Knicks and to share

554
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 9: the personal information. What did it really gain? Like, what

555
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 9: was what was the upside of doing that?

556
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Speaker 2: Right?

557
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Speaker 9: And I understand why bon Nicks then turned around and said, hey,

558
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Speaker 9: that's not the case and wanted to say his case.

559
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Speaker 9: And when you look at the end of the season

560
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Speaker 9: for Denver, does any of that make sense to you?

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Speaker 9: I mean, Sean called the offensive plays but then fired

562
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Speaker 9: the offensive coordinator. Sean decided not to kick a field

563
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Speaker 9: goal and go for it on fourth and one, the

564
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Speaker 9: difference of a field goal, and he fired the offensive coordinator,

565
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Speaker 9: And so maybe he's looking for new ideas. There are

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Speaker 9: other coaches that were fired too. Objectively, the best thing

567
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Speaker 9: they do in Denver is played defense, which is not

568
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Speaker 9: his forte. So the whole end of the season doesn't

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Speaker 9: make a lot of sense to me. Maybe maybe you

570
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Speaker 9: have a different perspective on it. But what's the goal

571
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Speaker 9: of this?

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Speaker 8: I guess yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think Sean too often leads with his chin. I

574
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Speaker 1: like him, but he's polarizing for a reason. So I've said,

575
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Speaker 1: my staff was joking with me this morning that I've

576
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Speaker 1: never owned an Android phone. I've always had an iPhone.

577
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: I said my guys are kind of hipsters and they're

578
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: like the Androids got way better tech than Apple, but

579
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Speaker 1: Apple's got way better branding. News to me, But I said,

580
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Speaker 1: that's like Mike McCarthy. Mike McCarthy doesn't have good branding.

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Speaker 1: He's got John Harbaugh's record. We go Pete Carroll can

582
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Speaker 1: make the Hall of Fame. He's got a better regular

583
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Speaker 1: season record than Pete. He's been fired less than Pete,

584
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Speaker 1: and he got the same playoff record as Pete. My

585
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Speaker 1: take is with McCarthy, his team score a lot of points.

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Speaker 1: I mean he won. Remember the year they had Cooper

587
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Speaker 1: Rush plays five game start that got hurt. They had

588
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Speaker 1: one receiver in the building you could trust they were

589
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Speaker 1: like top four and scoring. Or is Mike McCarthy the

590
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Speaker 1: classic better than you? John Harbaugh and him have almost

591
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Speaker 1: identical resumes. We all love John Harball, Mike McCarthy. Everybody

592
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Speaker 1: rolls their eyes at the higher What do you make

593
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Speaker 1: of Mike.

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Speaker 9: I was really surprised that Pittsburgh did what they did.

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Speaker 9: It seems very off brand for them. Yeah, and then

596
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Speaker 9: Mike McCarthy is a good example of someone who does

597
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Speaker 9: have a good relationship with a lot of people.

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Speaker 8: Who people.

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Speaker 9: He's very likable, he's a he's a really nice guy.

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Speaker 9: And he got a third opportunity to be a head

601
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Speaker 9: coach where Bill Belichick didn't even get a sniff there

602
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 9: would nobody even talked to him.

603
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 8: Think about how many jobs.

604
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Speaker 9: Are open and and what Bill could possibly bring the table.

605
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Speaker 8: He got nothing.

606
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Speaker 9: But with Mike, he's he's he does have really good

607
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Speaker 9: offensive production, he's a likable guy. He's all those things

608
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Speaker 9: in terms of leading your organization and and and I'm

609
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Speaker 9: sure the hierarchy in Pittsburgh saying, Okay, this is a

610
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Speaker 9: guy that can come in and hopefully help us win

611
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Speaker 9: that right now and get over the hump. But it

612
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Speaker 9: it just doesn't seem consistent with how the Pittsburgh Steelers

613
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Speaker 9: have always done things and and how many years do

614
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Speaker 9: you anticipate him being there? I mean, Steelers coaches are

615
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 9: there for you know, eighteen to twenty years. Like I

616
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Speaker 9: can't see Mike being there for eighteen to twenty years.

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Speaker 1: Right, You and I both love Mike Vrabel, you know,

618
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Speaker 1: Josh McDaniel, I think Seattle's got a better roster. I

619
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Speaker 1: think Seattle, but I think New England's defensive roster is underrated.

620
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Speaker 1: I just think Seattle offensively with JSN, I think Seattle's

621
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Speaker 1: oh lines a little better, especially on the left side.

622
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Speaker 1: I think Donald's got more experience. But I think there's

623
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Speaker 1: no question to me is Seattle makes mistakes. It's a

624
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Speaker 1: young team. Donald can throw a bad pick. Wouldn't be

625
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Speaker 1: shocked at all if New England won. I think what's

626
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: happened here is New England was so bad last year

627
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Speaker 1: that people just don't think it's possible they're that good.

628
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Speaker 1: And I'm like, you guys understand. The Chargers are good,

629
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Speaker 1: the Houston Texans are good, Denver's good. Well, Drake May

630
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Speaker 1: didn't play well. They won all three. Okay, they won

631
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Speaker 1: playoff games. By the way. Stafford in the Rams. I

632
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Speaker 1: think the Stafford and the Rams scored fourteen points already

633
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Speaker 1: in the season against the Texans. Everybody struggled with the Texans. Ye,

634
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Speaker 1: So my takeaway is going to go for two weeks

635
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 1: telling these guys nobody believes in you. Absolutely, and I

636
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Speaker 1: think it's incredibly powerful. Your thoughts on New England, Vrabel

637
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 1: a guy, you know, facing a team as an underdog

638
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: and nobody's given him a chance.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I would absolutely take New England. I love this story, Ryan.

640
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Speaker 9: It reminds me so much of our first run, the

641
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 9: amount of guys that they brought in, and this is

642
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Speaker 9: very similar. We went five and eleven and the next

643
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Speaker 9: year we bring a bunch of guys. Vrabel was one

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Speaker 9: of those guys. He was supposed to be a teams player,

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Speaker 9: ends up starting. They bring a bunch of guys from

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Speaker 9: all over the place. They've got a rookie fourth round

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Speaker 9: draft pick starting at safety. They've got another rookie free

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Speaker 9: agent who's contributing as a pass rusher. And you you know,

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Speaker 9: they have a second year quarterback. We had a second

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Speaker 9: year quarterback. They have the lights schedule, but the gain

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Speaker 9: although that momentum we were five and five through ten

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Speaker 9: games and then went on out a run, they were

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Speaker 9: much better than us start at the course of the year.

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Speaker 9: Then they go through this gauntlet of d defenses. But

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Speaker 9: it's really about New England's defense and when you watch

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Speaker 9: them play, they're going to create problems for Sam Darnold.

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Speaker 9: They match up, they disguise, they bring multiple blitzes, they

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Speaker 9: they use everybody. Uh they're playing the tempo that they're

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Speaker 9: playing with, the the the the energy, all that stuff.

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Speaker 9: It's it's palpable and it's it's fun to watch. And

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Speaker 9: as much as you have the Hollywood movie set out

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Speaker 9: where you had Ghostbusters, this is the team they saw

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Speaker 9: Ghosts against. And I know it's not Bill, but it's

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Speaker 9: a lot of there's a lot of elements of that

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Speaker 9: in this mix. And there's a lot of things that

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Speaker 9: he's gonna have to sort through and people he's gonna

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Speaker 9: have to sort through. And this this could be problematic

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Speaker 9: for for Sam, for Sam Darnald and outside of Jackson

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Speaker 9: Smith and Jigbo, which I think they'll take away, you know,

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Speaker 9: they potentially double him and and say, Okay, the rest

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Speaker 9: of this group is gonna have to beat us. They

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Speaker 9: can hold up in the running game. So they they're

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Speaker 9: going to create a lot of problems. And they're selling

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Speaker 9: the you know, you saw the Warriors, uh, you know

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Speaker 9: walking in they see clanging the bottles from you know,

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Speaker 9: the mo the old movie was the eighties movie, a

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Speaker 9: great movie. Like they're playing into that whole idea of yeah,

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Speaker 9: we're not supposed to be here. People are probably upset

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Speaker 9: that we're here, but we're here, and we're going to

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Speaker 9: create problems for Seattle.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know it's funny. I said this the other

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Speaker 1: day because I spent ten years living in the New

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Speaker 1: England region and there is something about the New England

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Speaker 1: region is that it's very heady, you know, Mi t Harvard.

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Speaker 1: It's a highly educated area. It is not a flashy area.

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Speaker 1: So I used to tell my wife and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: for all the money here, you never see a maserati.

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Speaker 1: You don't see it, you don't see the right porsches.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, there's so much money on our in this neighborhood,

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Speaker 1: these suburbs, and people are not flashy and they don't

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Speaker 1: show it. And Randy Moss was the rare hot, flashy

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Speaker 1: player for the PA. It was a lot of I

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Speaker 1: mean even the stars Gronk Edelman were like tough guys,

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Speaker 1: like tough, and I think Vrabel loves being the underdog

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Speaker 1: and I and I do think you become your region.

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Speaker 1: There's never been a Laker team that's great, that isn't flashy, right,

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Speaker 1: Like that's just la. I think New England feeds off this.

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Speaker 1: I when you were I always feel like it's the

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Speaker 1: smartest region of the country and they love being disrespectful.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it's it's it's a great motivator in sports. And

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Speaker 9: and you would see Michael Jordan, he would always look

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Speaker 9: for some way that he was being disrespected as great

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Speaker 9: as he was, right and all that. All the great

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Speaker 9: teams want that, you know, that element of they don't

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Speaker 9: believe in us. And and even Drake May kind of

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Speaker 9: reminds you of Tom Brady in the sense that he

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Speaker 9: seems like a great, nice kid who just is happy

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Speaker 9: to be part of the team and play his role,

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Speaker 9: just like Tom was.

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Speaker 8: And then you got all these other guys that.

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Speaker 9: Were throwaways from their team or they didn't want to

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Speaker 9: sign them as free agents, or and now they're all together,

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Speaker 9: and to some degree, so was Vrabel right, Tennessee got

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Speaker 9: rid of them.

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Speaker 8: He spent a year in Cleveland.

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Speaker 9: Now he's got this other opportunity, and they're all saying, Okay,

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Speaker 9: let's see, let's see whether or not you can hold

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Speaker 9: up against us.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, as of today, if I made a Super Bowl pick,

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Speaker 1: I said it the other day, and it can change,

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Speaker 1: I have a right to change. It would be twenty

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Speaker 1: seven to twenty six New England field goal light tough game.

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Speaker 1: Sam's imperfect, Drake May's not perfect, and it's just Seattle's

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Speaker 1: struggles to start a run game and they have to

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Speaker 1: throw and the pass rush. There's a lot of pressure.

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Speaker 1: And remember, I don't think Drake May is Matt Stafford,

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Speaker 1: but Matt Stafford had a lot of success against Seattle,

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Speaker 1: like a lot. And New England's receivers are better than

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Speaker 1: people give them credit for. Again, they were so bad

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Speaker 1: last year. If you don't watch the Patriot games, you

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Speaker 1: don't understand they They the Seattle defense, there are ways

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Speaker 1: to attack it, and it's it's young, so that would

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Speaker 1: be That's kind of my take.

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Speaker 8: All right, I'm with you, Colin.

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Speaker 9: I think New England wins and I'm hoping it's close.

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Speaker 9: I'm hoping that it's exciting. I don't know for you know,

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Speaker 9: e Vanit Terry type finish in this.

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Speaker 8: One or not.

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Speaker 9: But uh, you know, my player comparison with Drake May

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Speaker 9: was Sam Donald. You know, he just has the benefit

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Speaker 9: of getting Josh McDaniels a lot early in his career.

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Speaker 9: Then Sam Darnald got, you know, got with his sort

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Speaker 9: of coaching mentor not mentors, but at least the guys

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Speaker 9: that were able to elevate him to to what his

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Speaker 9: potential always was.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Eric Goods, have a great weekend cracing you too.

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Speaker 1: Con Yeah, yeah, No, I've gone back and forth on this.

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Speaker 1: I was telling Danny Parkins, I just have this feeling

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Speaker 1: is that I in some of it was I lived

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Speaker 1: there for ten years and I watched the Patriot game,

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Speaker 1: so you just become kind of like fans of the

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Speaker 1: culture and craft and how it was operated. And I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think about the Patriot dynasty, same owner, this team

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Speaker 1: as same owner, same offensive coordinator. The Patriots never had

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Speaker 1: the most talent, won a Super Bowls of fourteen point

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Speaker 1: dog Ones and Drake may share so much of the

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Speaker 1: gratitude and humility and size and arm strength of Brady.

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Speaker 1: He's a little bit he's more athletic, but it's and

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Speaker 1: to me, vrabel is Belichick. He's the current Belichick, super smart,

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Speaker 1: attention to detail, a little gruff at times, will fire

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Speaker 1: back at the media. I think he's a little more current,

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Speaker 1: he's a little more player friendly. I think you have

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Speaker 1: to be today. But I think it's the To me,

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Speaker 1: it is it's the start. And what's so ironic is

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Speaker 1: that the start of the first dynasty was the Tuck

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Speaker 1: Rule game, and the start of this one could be

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Speaker 1: that Denver blizzard. So I don't know. I think it's

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Speaker 1: really close, and I think, you know, and Seattle could

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Speaker 1: just be an avalanche and overwhelm them. But I co

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Speaker 1: Sell said this yesterday. People because they've played a lot

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Speaker 1: of high profile defenses like the Texans and the Broncos,

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Speaker 1: people are overlooking how good the defensive personnel is. For

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Speaker 1: New England. It is excellent. And Drake May had a

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Speaker 1: really bad half. He didn't play very well against Pittsburgh

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Speaker 1: if I recall, and he had a bad half against Buffalo.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's so many games now, by and large,

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Speaker 1: I kind of know what I get with New England.

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Speaker 1: He's got a little bit of a fumble issue. But again,

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Speaker 1: they've been playing in weird weather. Now they're playing in

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Speaker 1: Santa Clara