WEBVTT - I Choose … To “Just Try It” with Phil Rosenthal 0:00:01.680 --> 0:00:09.280 You're listening to I Choose Me with Jenny Garland. Hi, everyone, 0:00:09.520 --> 0:00:13.280 welcome to I Choose Me. This podcast is all about 0:00:13.320 --> 0:00:16.479 the choices we make, and you know what, three times 0:00:16.520 --> 0:00:20.400 a day, sometimes more, we make choices about what food 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:23.400 we are going to put in our mouths or to 0:00:23.440 --> 0:00:28.000 feed our families. My hilarious guest has made a career 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:32.599 of sharing his favorites and encouraging us all to just 0:00:32.920 --> 0:00:36.680 try it. Phil Rosenthal, the creative mind behind the hit 0:00:36.880 --> 0:00:41.880 sitcom Everybody Loves Raymond, spent years searching for his next 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:47.320 great scripted TV idea until he decided to pivot. The 0:00:47.400 --> 0:00:52.000 result is Somebody Feed Phil, one of Netflix's longest running hits, 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:57.680 serving up food, travel, and connection. Beloved by fans around 0:00:57.800 --> 0:01:02.400 the globe. It's now dishing out it's eighth season. He's 0:01:02.440 --> 0:01:06.000 also writing books, opening a diner in Los Angeles, and 0:01:06.040 --> 0:01:09.360 doing all he can to bring people together through food. 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:13.240 What a treat to talk to Phil Rosenthal. Hi there, Okay, 0:01:13.240 --> 0:01:18.240 So your work has led to so many Emmy nominations 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:21.200 and awards, and that doesn't seem to be stopping anytime 0:01:21.240 --> 0:01:26.360 soon because you have built this whole new era in 0:01:26.400 --> 0:01:29.959 your career, which I am just so in awe of 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:32.280 I love this. It's like a pivot for you, and 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:36.480 it revolves around food, travel and connection. And I'm just 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:40.600 curious what made you choose to take this path because 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:43.959 it seems like just so I don't know, it seems 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:45.720 like a brave new world for you. 0:01:46.280 --> 0:01:48.960 Well, you're in the business. You know that when you 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:52.880 switch lanes. M hmm. Not everyone's receptives to that because 0:01:52.920 --> 0:01:54.680 they don't know you can do anything but what they've 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:58.040 seen you do. I understand it, yes, But I also 0:01:58.160 --> 0:02:01.440 think that the people were in charge of making the 0:02:01.520 --> 0:02:04.880 decisions about the creative people. They should trust the creative 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:10.080 people a little bit, you think, yeah, But after Raymond 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:14.000 was over, the business had changed greatly. They didn't want 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:18.400 those types of shows anymore. So I kept striking out 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:21.760 because I can only write with the sensibility that I have, 0:02:22.800 --> 0:02:27.440 and everybody wanted friends at that time. They wanted hipp 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:29.760 and Edgy, and they kept telling me just we like you, 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:31.680 but just be more hip and Edgy. I said, well 0:02:31.680 --> 0:02:33.480 you got the right guy, I mister hipp and Edgi. 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:37.840 And so I just kept beating my head against the 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:39.680 wall trying to get another show on I thought that 0:02:39.760 --> 0:02:42.600 was my purpose in life, was to do that. And 0:02:43.639 --> 0:02:46.160 after a while I got very discouraged and I put 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:48.560 my head down and I thought, what if you could 0:02:48.600 --> 0:02:52.080 do whatever you want. Money's not the issue, right It 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:55.519 never was for me, even before Raymond, I didn't care 0:02:55.639 --> 0:02:57.639 much about it. As soon as I could feed myself. 0:02:57.880 --> 0:03:04.120 I never did anything for money. And then I thought, well, 0:03:04.919 --> 0:03:07.640 I have this idea for this food and travel show. 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:13.560 And they looked at me like I was crazy, especially 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:15.600 because I said I think I can host this thing, 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:20.360 and they said you you're behind the camera, and I said, 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:22.359 I know, but I think I can do this, and 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:26.600 and it took me, Jenny, ten years to get the 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:29.520 show after the success of Raymond. 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:32.280 Okay, I'm so discouraged right now because if it takes 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:37.119 you ten years to get a show going, well, different way. 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:39.480 You know. If you suddenly said you know what I 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:41.000 want to do is I want to I want to 0:03:41.000 --> 0:03:45.120 be a scuba diver on the on the World Scuba Team, 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:49.440 they would say, what, right, we know you as this, 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:52.280 we don't know you as that, So you have to 0:03:52.280 --> 0:03:55.160 convince the people. But I did sell the show finally 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:59.640 to PBS was the first stop that took the show, 0:04:00.280 --> 0:04:03.080 and I sold it with one line. This is the line, 0:04:03.720 --> 0:04:07.080 I'm exactly like Anthony Bourdain if he was afraid of everything. 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:12.440 Oh that's good, and they bought it. They bought six 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:15.400 and that show was called I'll Have What Phil's Having 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:18.479 And you can see those first episodes there on YouTube net. 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:22.240 And then they couldn't afford to do the show anymore. 0:04:23.000 --> 0:04:27.000 And then thank god, this new startup, little startup called 0:04:27.080 --> 0:04:31.960 netflicks came along and they liked the show, and so 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:35.560 we changed the name and that somebody feed Phil And 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:39.440 we are in our eighth season where the longest running 0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:42.799 unscripted original series in their history. 0:04:43.240 --> 0:04:47.960 Wow, well, congratulations, thanks. That must feel so good. It 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:52.200 feels like, in a way, this path does Journey sort 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:56.560 of chose you, even though you worked really hard at it. 0:04:56.880 --> 0:04:59.320 Yeah, but this proof, I don't want you to choke 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:02.280 on that ten thing because when you see the Oscars, 0:05:02.880 --> 0:05:05.640 everybody wins. The thing goes ten years it took to 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:09.160 make this movie, right, that just won the It's always. 0:05:10.400 --> 0:05:13.760 But the lesson is, if you make something a priority 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:17.000 in your life, and it really is a priority in 0:05:17.040 --> 0:05:20.680 your life, you won't stop until you do it. If 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:23.279 you stop, that means I guess it wasn't that priority. 0:05:24.520 --> 0:05:29.160 I love it. It's just that's persistence and tenacity, all 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:29.720 the things. 0:05:30.440 --> 0:05:33.760 Yes, and you know you have to Does it mean 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:36.880 I was happy, go lucky all the time, knowing that 0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:40.919 it would eventually work out. No, I was completely miserable 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:45.760 many moments. I still get depressed and angry. All you 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:50.200 have to do is watch the news. But I just am. I. 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:54.920 I have optimism, and I think that things will work out. 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:57.719 I believe in people. I believe that most people in 0:05:57.760 --> 0:06:02.000 the world are nice. And I feel very, very grateful 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:05.440 for everything else that's happened in my life, especially my 0:06:05.520 --> 0:06:06.599 family and my friends. 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:10.000 That just comes through so loud and clear. Just looking 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:13.400 at your face and watching your shows, watching all your work. 0:06:13.440 --> 0:06:18.960 But that is just at the forefront. Thanks, And it's 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:23.000 that gratitude. I feel like once you tap into that, 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:27.120 just gratitude for everything that you have. Yes, everything works out. 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:29.440 You know, you wake up in the morning and you 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:32.200 should be grateful you woke up right at this age. 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:36.440 Step one, Yeah, two, I look, Oh, there's my wife 0:06:36.520 --> 0:06:40.960 of thirty five years. Wow, there's my dog at the 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:44.520 foot of the bed. There my kids, live. They're grown 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:48.520 now they live. One lives over here one minute this way, 0:06:48.560 --> 0:06:52.159 one lives five minutes that way. And they're married. They're 0:06:52.160 --> 0:06:55.039 getting married. And I'm the luckiest guy in the world. 0:06:55.080 --> 0:06:56.039 And look what I get to do. 0:06:56.320 --> 0:06:57.240 Look what you get to do? 0:06:58.480 --> 0:07:00.800 Oh love? But if you say was worth ten years 0:07:00.800 --> 0:07:03.160 of your life to get it? Yes, looking at it 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:04.440 talking to Jenny. 0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:06.960 It was a flash now right, Wow. 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:08.240 Yeah, it's where you end up. 0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:11.560 It's where you Why do you think connecting and community 0:07:11.600 --> 0:07:12.960 are so important? 0:07:13.280 --> 0:07:16.800 Why are we here? All we do is as human 0:07:16.800 --> 0:07:19.440 beings on the planets, tried to connect with other human beings. 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:22.800 That's all we do in every way. That's it. 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:23.840 That's it. 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:28.320 Otherwise why, I mean, what else is there? So for me, 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:34.440 food happens to be the great connector. For me, the 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:36.520 food is the great connector are you saying food is 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:40.720 the great connector? And then laughs are the cement? So 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:42.160 if you and I we don't know each other, but 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:44.840 we let's go have lunch right So right away the 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:47.920 food comes, we're already happy. We're gonna eat, so we 0:07:48.000 --> 0:07:49.480 all know how to do. I don't care if you're 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:53.760 living Swahili, you gotta eat here. Comes food. This might 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:56.520 be the best part of your day. It might be 0:07:56.600 --> 0:07:59.040 you know, in addition to we have to live. We 0:07:59.320 --> 0:08:02.440 like it. So if the food comes in so and 0:08:02.520 --> 0:08:05.640 let's say it's delicious, ohh, now we're really happy. And 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:08.720 if we share a smile or a laugh, now we're 0:08:08.760 --> 0:08:10.119 friends and we'll eat again. 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:20.400 Yes, you have a rule about food, right, you say, 0:08:20.720 --> 0:08:23.960 just try it? Yes, that is I mean, that's a 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:27.400 great life philosophy, not even just about food. 0:08:27.760 --> 0:08:29.240 Yeah, it'd with my daughter. 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:31.640 That's right. It's such a valuable lesson that you even 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:33.160 wrote a book about it. 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:36.920 Well it just try it, of course, is the what's 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:39.839 the underlying thing of just try it? Have an open mind? 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:43.880 So how many grown ups do we know that that 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:50.319 won't consider new ideas, that all stuck in their same 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:54.240 ideas and won't listen. So just try It applies to 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:56.480 all of us, doesn't it. And I'm guilty of it 0:08:56.640 --> 0:09:01.319 of course. Yeah. Sometimes how we were brought up, Why 0:09:01.360 --> 0:09:03.880 would I do something different? I've done it. Look, I'm 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:07.000 still alive. I did it this way my whole lifet 0:09:07.040 --> 0:09:10.080 this about this, and I'm fine. I don't need to 0:09:10.200 --> 0:09:14.080 change at all. But if what if we just tried 0:09:14.520 --> 0:09:18.000 a new idea. Yes, food can open up a whole 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:19.800 new world. I always say, if you can open a mouth, 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:21.000 you can open a mind. 0:09:21.800 --> 0:09:22.120 Nice. 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:25.120 Nice. You're literally taking in the culture of other people 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:31.280 already unusual to you. Oh maybe, well, maybe Japanese food 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:34.720 is not so bad. Maybe Japanese people are not so bad. 0:09:34.800 --> 0:09:37.120 Maybe Japan is not so bad. Maybe the way they 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:39.000 do things I could learn something from. 0:09:39.040 --> 0:09:42.040 I mean, it really opens up the world. There's you know, 0:09:42.120 --> 0:09:45.880 that saying you can't teach an old dog new tricks. Yes, 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:47.200 how do you feel about that? 0:09:47.720 --> 0:09:48.360 I think you can. 0:09:49.800 --> 0:09:52.400 That's what I thought you brought that. 0:09:52.400 --> 0:09:57.280 That's a defeatist attitude. You can't, right, what if you can? Yeah? 0:09:57.400 --> 0:10:01.000 Or the one you know? This is just how I am. 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:02.679 This is me, take it or leave it? 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:07.400 Yeah, okay, be that way you will always then be 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:08.120 that way. 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:09.200 Yep. 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:12.680 Are you completely happy? I mean deep down? You know 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:15.840 stubborn guys they go, I'm happy the way I got. 0:10:17.120 --> 0:10:21.360 You don't seem happy. I think you could be happier. Listen, 0:10:21.400 --> 0:10:24.400 not for me, I don't care, you know, Goodbye. I 0:10:24.440 --> 0:10:26.920 go on to my next person that I like. I'm 0:10:26.960 --> 0:10:30.120 just saying for you, that's why travel is so great, 0:10:30.200 --> 0:10:35.120 because yeah, you can't help but have your mind blown. 0:10:35.760 --> 0:10:38.760 It's the most mind expanding thing we can do in life, 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:43.840 is to see something else. That's why I do the show. 0:10:44.320 --> 0:10:46.960 It's why I think. I think the world would be 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:49.360 better if we all could experience a tiny bit of 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:50.680 someone else's experience. 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:54.720 Right, And people at home are wishing they could go 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:57.000 on these travels, but sometimes it's just not feasible. So 0:10:57.120 --> 0:11:00.480 you're taking them. You're taking them even though they're in 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:02.800 their living rooms, and that's so meaningful. 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:08.040 Well, thanks, that's very important. However, I try to also say, 0:11:08.080 --> 0:11:11.360 I understand not everybody can afford to go overseas, but 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:15.760 you can travel in your own town. What do I mean? 0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:19.000 Let's say we were stuck in COVID. We're stuck at home. 0:11:19.200 --> 0:11:21.960 We can't go out at all. We got to if 0:11:21.960 --> 0:11:24.400 we want anything, we got to order it in right, 0:11:25.720 --> 0:11:29.400 So what if we ordered from a restaurant that we 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:35.880 never tried before. Now, are you're traveling the Peruvian place from? Then? 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:38.960 I don't know anything about Peruvian. Let's look on the phone. 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:40.920 This is all I ask of people. Look on the phone, 0:11:41.080 --> 0:11:43.920 Just look at the menu. See if there's anything there 0:11:43.960 --> 0:11:47.960 you could possibly like. But what if I don't like it? Yeah, 0:11:48.080 --> 0:11:50.720 so what if you don't like it? You're not five, 0:11:51.160 --> 0:11:57.640 You'll get over it. But what if you do? That's everything? 0:11:57.800 --> 0:11:59.720 So you look, they have chicken and rice. I like 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:02.880 chicken and yes, so you order the chicken rice chicken 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:06.280 rice I ever had. This is fantastic. Now COVID is over. Hey, 0:12:06.360 --> 0:12:08.560 we should go to that place. We go to the place, 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:12.440 We see that the decorations, we try different things, We 0:12:12.559 --> 0:12:15.679 meet the owner. He's fantastic. Next thing, you know, you're 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:16.440 not your peacher. 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:22.640 Oh my god, fast track you. You're so passionate. What 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:24.920 is the most meaningful part of your work? 0:12:26.160 --> 0:12:27.240 The connection to people? 0:12:27.480 --> 0:12:27.920 That's it. 0:12:28.160 --> 0:12:30.680 So I'm just using food and my stupid sense of 0:12:30.760 --> 0:12:34.480 humor to get you the real message, to get you 0:12:34.640 --> 0:12:40.200 that that people are worth knowing, no matter where they're from. Yeah, 0:12:40.280 --> 0:12:43.600 you know, I picked maybe a stupid time to be 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:50.439 on because I'm very pro other I'm very pro immigrant, 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:58.880 I'm very pro all our differences. Somebody said America's diversity 0:12:59.240 --> 0:13:00.960 is our super power. 0:13:02.240 --> 0:13:04.840 Can you imagine just looking out at people around you 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:07.800 and everyone looking exactly the same as you, or dressing 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:10.320 the same as you having no diversity. 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:14.640 Yeah, your boring world not for you know, forget, forget 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:18.280 everyone has a right to live, forget that. I don't 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:20.079 want to live in a world where it's all me 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:22.600 And yeah it looks like me. 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:23.800 I'd be so bored. 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:27.840 Well, of course, and that that extends on the most 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:31.160 basic level. Yeah, the food choices we have. One of 0:13:31.240 --> 0:13:32.880 the great things is like I go to Thailand, right, 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:35.319 and I have something I never had before, kowsoy. You 0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:36.240 know what kowsoi is? 0:13:36.960 --> 0:13:38.959 No, what would you call it? Kowsoi? 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:45.040 How soy? Okay h ao o ikowsoy? And you find 0:13:45.040 --> 0:13:47.080 it Thai restaurants. I didn't know that, but I went 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:49.800 to Thailand. I went to a shack in chang My, Thailand, 0:13:50.160 --> 0:13:54.120 and what comes coconut curry broth and then fresh hand 0:13:54.160 --> 0:13:56.760 pulled noodles at the bottom like the best pasta you 0:13:56.840 --> 0:14:00.800 ever had. And then whatever pro you like. It can 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:03.840 be chicken or beef, pork or tofu if you want that, 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:09.640 you have anything shrimp fish, then chilis and pickled mustard 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:15.280 greens and shallats and so it ticks all the boxes. Oh, 0:14:15.320 --> 0:14:18.400 and then crispy fried noodles on top. 0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:20.840 Crispy that you got me with the crispy. 0:14:20.800 --> 0:14:24.960 All the textures and all the flavors right lime over 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:27.600 the whole thing. My mouth's warming things. 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:30.040 I know you're making me hungry. 0:14:29.760 --> 0:14:34.000 Okay, So this in Chang Mai, Thailand, this bowl of 0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:38.000 the most delicious thing I've ever had a dollar which 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:42.360 is my second favorite price. And then what did I 0:14:42.400 --> 0:14:44.680 do when I came home? Well, we have a tie 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:47.200 town in la We have Thai restaurants all over the place. 0:14:47.480 --> 0:14:50.360 Do you have cow so of course I never knew 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:53.400 to look, I would never know. But now see, I'm 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:57.960 turning you onto it. And whoever's listening next time, order 0:14:58.200 --> 0:15:01.120 cowsy at the Thai rest right and tell me you're 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:01.640 not happy? 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:04.200 Okay, challenge accepted, I will do. 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:06.280 You know. 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:10.320 I'm curious also in your life, besides with eating, where 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:13.840 do you push yourself to just try it even when 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:14.480 it's scary? 0:15:15.440 --> 0:15:17.520 Oh? Well, I have a brother for that, right. So 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:20.920 my brother is the executive producer of the show, and 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:24.240 he and I, you know, made the show together, and 0:15:24.520 --> 0:15:28.680 I need him to push me into let's say, going 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:32.080 into the coldest water on the earth in Iceland, a 0:15:32.120 --> 0:15:35.680 in a wet suit. I don't want to go in. 0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:38.280 Yeah, he reminds you, just try it. 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:41.320 Listen, what do you have a show for if you're 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:43.000 not going to do stuff? I'm like, yeah, but let's 0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:45.560 say we don't have to be crazy. And so I 0:15:45.640 --> 0:15:48.080 do it, and I'm always happy that I did it, 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:50.440 even though I fight again, I don't want to do it. 0:15:50.480 --> 0:15:54.960 I really am not Anthony Bourdain right right, it's a 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:58.880 superhero and adventurer. I'm not that guy. And I do it, 0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:01.080 and even if I don't enjoy it, I'm happy I 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:03.640 did it. Why because take that off the things of 0:16:03.800 --> 0:16:05.840 not to be afraid of anymore doesn't mean I'm going 0:16:05.880 --> 0:16:08.880 to do it. But I'm not afraid if I hadn't 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:10.440 to do it or you know, gun to my head. Yeah, 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:13.080 I've done it. Our biggest fear is the unknown. 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:16.080 Until you do it, it is and then it's yep. 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:18.400 You got to get over that hump of just try 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:20.920 it and now you're better for it. 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:25.320 I did a polar plunge once in Alaska and did 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:28.280 not want to do it. Still don't want to do it, 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:29.360 don't want to do it again. 0:16:30.160 --> 0:16:32.480 Can I tell you something? But you did it and 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:34.440 you're happy you did it. That's a life experience that 0:16:34.520 --> 0:16:36.320 you know. You can say I did that, and you 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:39.000 know what that's like, and so many people don't. And 0:16:39.600 --> 0:16:41.680 I'll tell you something else. I come home from the 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:45.920 experience and I swear this is true. However many years ago. 0:16:45.960 --> 0:16:48.800 That was every day since then, no matter where I 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:51.080 am in the world, I take a shower in the morning, 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:53.920 and the last thirty seconds I put it on cold. Hm. 0:16:54.960 --> 0:16:57.840 Why it takes me right back to that? I know 0:16:57.920 --> 0:17:01.080 there's health properties to this. Right. And by the way, 0:17:01.120 --> 0:17:06.520 anyone listening, you forget your all your troubles. That's true, truly. 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:08.960 Yeah, you can't think about anything else. 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:12.080 I built up from ten seconds just on my head, right, 0:17:12.680 --> 0:17:15.880 Your head can actually take it more than the rest, right, 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:18.800 So I try to. I still focus on my head, 0:17:18.840 --> 0:17:21.680 but I built up to thirty seconds. Still gets on you. 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:25.280 But I can do it. And I not only that, 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:28.600 I feel incomplete if I don't do Yeah. 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:32.199 I love that a challenge every morning. Yeah, yeah, just 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:32.880 to take you back. 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:34.480 It's better than coffee. 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:46.160 Now you're up, you're awake, going back to your book. 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:48.200 Just try it. How was it working with your daughter 0:17:48.320 --> 0:17:48.680 like that? 0:17:48.720 --> 0:17:51.280 It's the greatest thing ever. She calls me. She goes, 0:17:51.640 --> 0:17:53.720 you know, you should do a kid's book. Kids like 0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:56.880 you and you love kids. You should do it. I said, 0:17:57.240 --> 0:17:58.919 good idea. I'll do it if you do with me. 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:04.679 So's She was twenty five at the time, and I 0:18:04.720 --> 0:18:06.680 had a ball doing it. And guess what we're doing. 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:09.280 Three more Phil and Lil series. 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:11.560 Excellent, Good for you. 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:13.840 The next one comes out in the spring and it's 0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:16.399 called just Try It Someplace New. I take it to 0:18:16.440 --> 0:18:18.880 Grandma's for the first time. She's afraid to sleep over 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:20.840 someplace new because all she knows is her bed in 0:18:20.880 --> 0:18:24.239 her room. She's all the you know, it's just like 0:18:24.359 --> 0:18:25.879 trying new foods. What if I hate it? What if 0:18:25.920 --> 0:18:27.400 I hate it? What if I don't like it? That's 0:18:27.440 --> 0:18:29.480 everything in life. What if I don't like it, that's 0:18:30.160 --> 0:18:35.720 so limonade. It keeps us down, our own heads, keep 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:36.160 us down. 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:37.199 Absolutely. 0:18:37.720 --> 0:18:41.000 What if I don't like it? Yeah, guess what. That's 0:18:41.000 --> 0:18:44.560 what little kids said, You're supposed to grow out of that. 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:49.800 It's true. I think I need to remember that sometimes 0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:52.680 when I'm just like I dig deep and I dig down, 0:18:52.680 --> 0:18:54.280 and I'm like I don't want to I don't want 0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:55.719 to eat that whatever it is. 0:18:56.800 --> 0:19:00.840 Now, know what else, Jenny, Or taste buds literally change 0:19:00.840 --> 0:19:05.399 as we get older. Literally every every I forget what 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:08.520 the stat is, either every few years or every few months, 0:19:08.560 --> 0:19:12.960 even all new taste buds, and some of them change, 0:19:13.280 --> 0:19:18.840 and you're you're reacting to a memory of beats now 0:19:18.880 --> 0:19:21.480 when you eat them. Wait a minute, they're not so bad. 0:19:21.560 --> 0:19:24.000 That's right, They're not so bad because this is now different. 0:19:25.000 --> 0:19:27.720 Even my taste buds are evolving. That makes me happy. 0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:32.600 I love how you in even the food world, you 0:19:32.640 --> 0:19:36.200 share and talk a lot about feelings. From your perspective, 0:19:36.760 --> 0:19:40.920 How are how we eat and how we live connected 0:19:41.040 --> 0:19:42.119 to feelings? 0:19:42.760 --> 0:19:45.360 Well, first of all, it's all connected. So I give 0:19:45.359 --> 0:19:52.360 an example. Let's say we're in Venice and where we're 0:19:52.359 --> 0:19:55.360 in love, we're going to get married, and and we're 0:19:55.400 --> 0:19:58.200 just it's the prime of life. You're with this person 0:19:58.320 --> 0:20:00.720 you can you love, and you are sitting on the 0:20:00.720 --> 0:20:03.360 canal and you're having a beautiful meal and oh look 0:20:03.400 --> 0:20:05.639 at Venice. The boats are going by, and the sunset 0:20:05.680 --> 0:20:09.920 is here, and you've never been happier. And the wine 0:20:11.480 --> 0:20:14.920 is the most delicious wine either of us have ever had. 0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:17.080 This wine is. So you know what, Let's buy a 0:20:17.119 --> 0:20:19.240 case of this wine. Let's buy a case. It will 0:20:19.280 --> 0:20:22.679 have it forever. It will always be our special wine 0:20:23.040 --> 0:20:26.480 from Venice, memory of this place, Okay, because it's the 0:20:26.480 --> 0:20:29.320 best wine we ever had. Go home a year later. 0:20:29.320 --> 0:20:32.440 It's our anniverse. Let's open a bottle of that wine 0:20:32.440 --> 0:20:35.399 from Venice. We open the wine, we decant it, we 0:20:35.560 --> 0:20:37.560 pour it, we swirl it. Here's to you. I love you, 0:20:37.640 --> 0:20:39.919 I love you. Taste how is it? 0:20:39.920 --> 0:20:43.280 It's all right, it's not what I remember. 0:20:43.200 --> 0:20:47.840 Because why we were in love on the canal in Venice, 0:20:48.160 --> 0:20:50.960 and the scents and the sights and the sounds and 0:20:51.000 --> 0:20:58.679 the feelings literally affected the way it tasted. Wow, that's true. 0:20:58.800 --> 0:21:01.399 You know. I used this example because we all know 0:21:01.520 --> 0:21:06.600 what that feels like. Everything's connected, the feeling, the sight, 0:21:06.800 --> 0:21:11.439 the sound, smells, the call evocative. A smell is you 0:21:11.480 --> 0:21:14.239 can smell it a scent and be transported like this 0:21:14.440 --> 0:21:15.720 to a feeling. 0:21:16.119 --> 0:21:22.520 A feeling, Right, yeah, I guess you can't. You can't 0:21:22.560 --> 0:21:26.320 really have one without the other. It seems like the. 0:21:26.280 --> 0:21:31.440 Greatest example ever in a movie is Ratitude. So the 0:21:31.880 --> 0:21:34.439 critic you saw the movie, right, Yes, a critic at 0:21:34.440 --> 0:21:36.280 the end, he's going to try the ratitude. Now the 0:21:36.520 --> 0:21:38.800 whole movie's on the line. Here we go. He tries 0:21:38.800 --> 0:21:43.240 the ratitude. What happens He zooms back to childhood m 0:21:44.040 --> 0:21:46.720 where his mom made him ratitude, not this ratitude, but 0:21:46.880 --> 0:21:52.160 ratitude and that, oh, Michael made him cry and remember 0:21:52.200 --> 0:21:54.320 his mom and remember that feeling. 0:21:55.080 --> 0:21:57.520 Yeah, that's what It's so great when you eat something 0:21:57.560 --> 0:22:01.160 and it takes you back to something lost memory or. 0:22:01.520 --> 0:22:05.560 Yes, and then and the reason that's so special is 0:22:05.600 --> 0:22:08.720 because it made you feel something that maybe you haven't 0:22:08.720 --> 0:22:12.720 felt a long time. Yeah, I had a crazy experience. 0:22:12.720 --> 0:22:14.199 I don't know if you saw the episode we did 0:22:14.280 --> 0:22:19.160 in Dubai, but I had a lunch with a Palestinian 0:22:19.160 --> 0:22:22.800 woman and the world has told me. You know, you're 0:22:22.800 --> 0:22:26.440