1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 1: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 2 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:09,959 Speaker 1: AM six forty John and Ken Show, John Cobelt and 3 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: Ken Champeau KFI AM six forty Live everywhere on the 4 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app. 5 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 2: We start this hour by bringing Steve Bolloyd back to 6 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 2: the show, a senior legal fellow at the Energy and 7 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 2: Environment Legal Institute, and he wrote an editorial that appeared 8 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:29,639 Speaker 2: in the Wall Streetjourtle about this story that July third 9 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 2: and July fourth with the two hottest days on Earth 10 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 2: on record. As he says, it comes from the global 11 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 2: warming industry, and of course they got a lot and 12 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 2: I mean a lot of media play those. 13 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: Two days supposedly the hottest in one hundred and twenty 14 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: five thousand years. Say that out loud, July fourth was 15 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 1: the hottest in one hundred and twenty five thousand years. 16 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: Somebody check how long humans have been around, because I 17 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: think we evolved into our current form about one hundred 18 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: thousand years ago. 19 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 3: Let's get Steve on the line here, Steve Maloy. 20 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 4: Hey, John, how are you doing all right? 21 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 1: So Steve you can explain this to us. How would 22 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: they know what the temperature was globally one hundred and 23 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: twenty five thousand years ago. 24 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 4: Well they don't. I think that's the joke. I mean, 25 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 4: they're making these claims which get parroted through the lamestream media. 26 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 4: You know, the claim is based on satellite gathered data 27 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 4: to start with. Now, what satellites did they have one 28 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:33,479 Speaker 4: hundred and twenty five thousand years ago? Absolutely none. And 29 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:35,639 Speaker 4: if you look into it just a little bit deeper, 30 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 4: you see that, you know, most of the world where 31 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 4: people live wasn't really warmer. There was this incredible heat 32 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 4: wave over the Antarctic, you know, went from like normally 33 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 4: it's winter down there right now, and normally it's like, 34 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 4: you know, seventy below, but it went made it up 35 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 4: to thirty below, right, still pretty cold. But you know that, 36 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 4: you know, forty degree difference over a large area, Well, 37 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 4: obviously that's going to affect this, you know, bogus notion 38 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 4: of a global average global temperature, which of course nobody 39 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 4: lives at. Where do you measure it? You know, Al 40 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 4: Gore says the Earth has a fever war Do you 41 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 4: put the thermometer? 42 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 2: We didn't. 43 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 3: We didn't even have thermometers till what the eighteen. 44 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 4: Hundreds, Uh yeah, basically around that, but we have you know, 45 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 4: we haven't had reliable measurements of We still don't have 46 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 4: reliable measurements of global temperatures. Much of the Earth's surface 47 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 4: is still not covered. Even where we measure temperatures, they're 48 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 4: not accurate to within one degree centigrade. And course, that 49 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:38,959 Speaker 4: is the amount of global warming the alarmists claim we've 50 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 4: had since industrial las right, so you can really measure it. 51 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: We barely had people around one hundred and twenty five 52 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 1: thousand years ago. We certainly didn't have thermometers. We didn't 53 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: have satellites. We didn't have thermometers till the eighteen hundreds. 54 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: I can remember that weather satellites came around the late 55 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 1: nineteen seventies or in nineteen seventy eight, seventy nine. I 56 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:04,639 Speaker 1: think Sony anything pre all those demarcations is just total nonsense. 57 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, for sure. And I mean the reason I 58 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 4: brought up the Antarctic heat wave is because that's probably 59 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 4: been happening a lot over the course of time. And 60 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 4: if we're going to say, well, this is the hottest 61 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 4: day based on that, well we have we've never been 62 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,839 Speaker 4: really been able to measure that until recently, until we've 63 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 4: had satellites. There's there aren't very many temperature stations down there. 64 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 4: None of them are really reliable. The whole thing is 65 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 4: just made up, like all of climate. You know, I 66 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 4: pointed out in my article that if you looked at 67 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 4: where there were where people actually live and you know, 68 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 4: measured actually measuring actual temperatures where people live, the Earth 69 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 4: is about fifty seven and a half degrees has been 70 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 4: that way for a very long time. You know, nothing 71 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 4: has changed recently. This is not the hottest June, This 72 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 4: is not the hottest July, this is not the hottest year. 73 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 4: This is just another year, another month, another day, another week. 74 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 3: So where where do they get the extra your heat from? 75 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: Because you're right that the temperatures probably averages around fifty seven, 76 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: not sixty two. 77 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 4: They got they got it from this Antarctic heat wave, 78 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 4: which just that Yeah, we've only you know, been measuring recently. 79 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: So that that threw off the whole world's temperature average. 80 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:21,479 Speaker 4: Yeah, the Arctic is an exactly average right now. It 81 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:26,280 Speaker 4: has been for months now. There is an unusual going anywhere. 82 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 4: This is just you know, summer and weather. You know, 83 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 4: it's been hot before. In California, it's been hot before 84 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 4: in Arizona. It's been hot before in Texas. You know, 85 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 4: in nineteen eighty, Texas had a heat wave that went 86 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:41,159 Speaker 4: on for about you know, ten weeks or so. Two 87 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 4: thousand people died. Back then, it was just the heat 88 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 4: wave and bad weather and and you know, it wasn't 89 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 4: climate change or global warming. Now we've completely weaponized all 90 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 4: these terms. 91 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 1: Are you ware of any explanation as to why we 92 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: had ice ages and why they ended? 93 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 4: Well, you know, there are you know, the Earth goes 94 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 4: around the sun and there's a little bit of a wobble. 95 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 4: There's this, you know, Malankovitch cycle. It's called also there 96 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 4: are you know, all sorts of changes that go on, 97 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 4: and the earth of the Earth is the core of 98 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 4: the earth is very hot, and that is changing, you know, 99 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:22,599 Speaker 4: I mean the Earth is constantly changing. And this notion 100 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 4: that you know, climate alarmist wants you to believe that, well, 101 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,359 Speaker 4: you know, if everyone has we just have windmills and 102 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 4: solar panels, we're going to go back to the climate 103 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 4: of yesteryear. No, we're not. Well, I don't even know 104 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 4: what that means. 105 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 1: But this is a lot of money for a lot 106 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 1: of people, isn't it. 107 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, this is trillions and trillions of dollars. As a 108 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 4: matter of fact, you know, the alarmist community, they want 109 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 4: to spend two hundred and seventy trillion dollars over the 110 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 4: next thirty years getting to net zero, John Kerry, once 111 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 4: we get to this is really funny. Once we get 112 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:00,080 Speaker 4: to net zero, John Carey wants to spend another one 113 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 4: point six quadrillion dollars sucking carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere. 114 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 3: Quadrillion. 115 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 4: Yeah, quadrillion. He was asked about that last week at 116 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 4: the house here. Yeah, he wants to. He wants to 117 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 4: suck out of the air one point six trillion tons 118 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 4: of carbon dioxide and each you know, doing that costs 119 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,919 Speaker 4: one thousand dollars a ton, so that works out to 120 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 4: one point six quadrillion. Do guys crazy? They're all crazy. 121 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 3: Do you know what? 122 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 1: You're the first person I've ever heard you use the 123 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 1: phrase quadrillion to describe to describe any spending plan. This 124 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 1: this temperature. 125 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 2: Claim, Steve, came from the University of Maine's Climate reanalyzer, 126 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 2: which you right, relies on a mix of satellite temperature 127 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 2: data and computer model guestimation. This story got so much 128 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 2: play in the media everywhere. It comes from just this 129 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 2: University of Maine's climate reanalyzer. 130 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 4: Uh yeah, it's exactly yeah, And and they're the ones 131 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 4: that they use some satellite day. It has some computer models, 132 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 4: and of course none of these computer models work. It's 133 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 4: just making stuff up. And because it got this really 134 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 4: shocking answer, you know, the dirty secret is that this 135 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 4: year has been cool. And not only has this year 136 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 4: been cool, there's been no global warming in the past 137 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 4: almost nine years, despite emissions of five hundred billion times. 138 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 4: You know, we're taught that every emission warms the planet, 139 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 4: will the last five hundred billion have warmed nothing. So 140 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 4: that's why the media is going just absolutely bonkers this 141 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 4: year with every heat wave and everything they can make up. 142 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 4: They're just throwing everything and anything against the wall hoping 143 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 4: it's sticked. 144 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 2: We were talking about this last hour that media, especially 145 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 2: the media here in California. It was pretty quiet the 146 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 2: first six months because it was a pretty cool beginning 147 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 2: to the year. As soon as this heat wave hit 148 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:47,119 Speaker 2: last week, Holy mackerel, the story's just multiplied. In fact, 149 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 2: what was why did that happen? 150 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: We had one of the coolest six month stretches that 151 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: anybody could remember. 152 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 4: Okay, so what's really what really is controlling our climate 153 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 4: and has for at least the last forty years, has 154 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 4: been these El Nino's that come out of the Pacific, 155 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 4: and the last El Nino, the last time we had 156 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 4: global warming was in twenty fifteen, and then we went 157 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 4: into this the negative phase of that, the La Ninia 158 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 4: phase where there's some cooling and then you know, now 159 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 4: we're going and we had a like a three years 160 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 4: of La Ninia, So that made it pretty cool, and 161 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 4: that's why you got all that rain in the in 162 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:25,119 Speaker 4: the winter and spring, and why it's been cloudy and cool. 163 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 4: And so now we're going into an al Nina phase 164 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 4: and the al Nino is once again going to drive 165 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 4: temperatures up a little if it's if it's strong enough, 166 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 4: and so that that's really what's going on. It's these 167 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:38,079 Speaker 4: El Ninos that emissions have nothing to do with. 168 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 2: I like the way you also wrote ninety six percent 169 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:45,559 Speaker 2: of US temperature stations produce corrupted data. 170 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 4: Why is that, Well, it's just it's it's very hard 171 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 4: to get a real, real measurement. You know, a lot 172 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 4: of these temperature stations tend to be in urban heat islands. 173 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 4: You know, the urban heat island effect is where like 174 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 4: you know, if you look at your local weather app 175 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 4: in the evening, you see urban areas. You know, cities 176 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 4: are warmer than the countryside. That's because of all the 177 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 4: asphalt and concrete waste heat. 178 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, my driveway is ten degrees hotter than right 179 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: then after I pull the car out down the block. 180 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 4: So if you have a temperature station at an airport 181 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 4: which is nothing but concreted asphalt and hot air coming 182 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 4: out of jet engines, well you're gonna get a biased result. 183 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 4: So there is there's a lot of that, and there's 184 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 4: a lot of other things that can corrupt temperature readings, 185 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 4: and uh, you know people have done research and found 186 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 4: that you know, ninety six percent of these stations are corrupted. 187 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 4: They're not accurate to within one degree center grade, which is, 188 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 4: you know, exactly the amount of global warming they claim 189 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 4: we've had. So we really don't know what's going on 190 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 4: at all. You know, you throw in this, you know, 191 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 4: the Antarctic heat waves, who knows, who knows what global 192 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 4: temperatures really done. But they you know, the alarmists want 193 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 4: us to give up fossil fuels destroy our standard of living. 194 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 4: They want to tell us how to live, where to live, 195 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 4: what kind of electricity we can have, what kind of 196 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 4: food we can eat. It's all crazy, all right. 197 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 2: Steve, always a pleasure to talk to you. Thanks for 198 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 2: coming on. 199 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 4: Thank you, y bye. 200 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 2: Steve malloy, Senior legal fellow at the Energy and Environment 201 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 2: Legal Institute, and also writes about what he calls chunk science. 202 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 2: And this was about the report that Earth's had its 203 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:23,680 Speaker 2: hottest temperature, you know, twenty five our average temperature on 204 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:27,479 Speaker 2: twenty five thousand years. Johnny Ken KFI AM six forty 205 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 2: Live Everywhere iHeartRadio app Johnny. 206 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: Kent Show, John Cobel ken Champell KFI AM six forty 207 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: Live Everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. Live on the radio 208 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: for one until four, and then after four o'clock it's 209 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: Johnny Ken on demand the podcast, so you can catch 210 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: up on what you missed. 211 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 2: And we have spent a lot of time since the 212 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 2: pandemic talking about the ramp and fraud that affected the 213 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 2: Employment Development Department, that's California's unemployment office. Thirty billion plus 214 00:10:55,840 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 2: dollars ripped off from our unemployment system by all sorts 215 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 2: of fraudsters, including prisoners and prisoners friends. We've mentioned this 216 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 2: story many times, but now we're going to move to 217 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 2: another one that's kind of under the radar, and it 218 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 2: comes from a term that has really gotten popular in 219 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 2: the last few years. It is the term ghosting. John, 220 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:21,719 Speaker 2: you've heard the term ghosting. People say this a lot 221 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 2: when with dates or people they know. I got ghosted. 222 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: I've heard it with a couple of guys you run 223 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:31,319 Speaker 1: restaurants have told me they get ghosted by job applicants. 224 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 3: They're hired, but they never show you know. 225 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 2: What's the loss there, except you feel like you've got 226 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 2: the position filled and then you don't. 227 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: But you're not paying anything. 228 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 3: They've been ghosted. 229 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, you start Monday, Monday comes no sign 230 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: of them. 231 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 2: Well, this is about the California community college system and 232 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 2: ghost students. You see, colleges are very aggressive and trying 233 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 2: to recruit students, and one of the things that's become 234 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 2: very popular. 235 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: In the last I don't know, ten years. 236 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 2: You see all the commercials you can get your degree online. 237 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: That's right. 238 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:08,599 Speaker 2: You don't have to actually physically come to a classroom, 239 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:13,479 Speaker 2: study online, take your tests online, get your diploma online. 240 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: We have a fake school. We're offering a fake degree online. 241 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 2: Well, in this case, they aren't fake schools, they're real 242 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 2: community colleges, but the students are fake. And it's because 243 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 2: the fraudsters are looking for financial aid. The story starts 244 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 2: out with a great one manned by the name of 245 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 2: Richard Valacenti. He got a check in the mail for 246 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 2: fourteen hundred dollars last summer. The US Department of Education 247 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 2: notified him the money was a mistake. It was an 248 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 2: overpayment of a three thousand dollars PEL grant. He used 249 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 2: to attend Saddleback College in Orange County. Well, Valacenti is 250 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 2: sixty four years old and he never applied for any pelgrants. 251 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 2: He's actually a radiation on collegist that you see, Davis. 252 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 2: He's never even heard of Saddleback College. So they used 253 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 2: to personal information to make him a student, a ghost student, 254 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 2: to apply for money grant money. That's what the fraudsters 255 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 2: are up to. And when you read this story in 256 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 2: the San Francisco Chronicle that they get away with this at. 257 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: An alarmingly high rate. 258 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 2: More than four hundred and sixty thousand of the two 259 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 2: point three million requests to the California Community College online 260 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 2: application system since July alone, it's about twenty percent or 261 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 2: probably scammers think about that. 262 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:33,679 Speaker 1: Those numbers can pile up, what's four hundred and sixty 263 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 1: thousand times how many dollars? 264 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:39,079 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's a. 265 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 2: Community Colleges are required to accept any student in the 266 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 2: state with a high school diploma, and a social security 267 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 2: number is not required to apply for them. 268 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: And there you go, because you let in so many 269 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 1: illegal aliens, and these stupid progressives say, well, we can't 270 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: require social security numbers, not everyone, as it's a social 271 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:57,959 Speaker 1: security number. 272 00:13:57,960 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 3: That's just not fair. 273 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: Well, this is what happens, and then they close the 274 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 1: schools because of their stupid COVID banck. Look at all 275 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: the layers of stupid here. Okay, there's no social Security number. 276 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 1: COVID shuts down the schools forever. 277 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 3: And then you're allowed to take. 278 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: Your course online. Nobody ever has to see your face. 279 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 1: You can take your online course. You don't have to 280 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: have your screen on. 281 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, if the fraudsters are human, but they use bots 282 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 2: software algorithms to mimic enrolled students. They talk to Kim Rich, 283 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 2: a criminal justice instructor at Pierce College, near La, who 284 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 2: says that she's got to ferret out these fake students. 285 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 2: She looks for consecutive ID numbers, similar email patterns that 286 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 2: don't match student names and birth dates from the sixties 287 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 2: and seventies and indicate that these people are too old 288 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 2: for community college. 289 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 3: Well why didn't you make them come in to get 290 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 3: their loan? 291 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: Well, eventually they do. That is that often happens? 292 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 4: Yes? 293 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 3: Do you think banks do this? 294 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: You think Bank of America does it for people who 295 00:14:59,160 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: want to get a mortgage. 296 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 2: The Chancellor's office now requires colleges to send monthly reports 297 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 2: of their fake students and administrators. Apparently, in one case 298 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 2: at City College in San Francisco, twenty nine bogus students 299 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 2: received over twenty two thousand dollars in pelgrants. Administrators just 300 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 2: blocked five hundred and five ghost students from this summer's classes, 301 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 2: and more than forty three hundred suspicious enrollments more than 302 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 2: ten percent were probably a fake students. 303 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 3: And how many got through. 304 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: They're only talking about the ones that they that they caught, right, 305 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: but there's probably hundreds and thousands that blew through. 306 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 2: So this Pierce College story, this woman had two eight 307 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 2: week classes that were supposed to begin on April tenth 308 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 2: each were filled with forty students by early March, so 309 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 2: she was asked to teach another It filled up in 310 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 2: a week. She was kind of shocked after she analyzed 311 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 2: her three rosters. Enrollment in one class dropped from forty 312 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 2: to two twenty nine, and another down to twenty two, 313 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 2: and the last to just two students. Just started at 314 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 2: the face. 315 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: It was the same bots right, Well, one department eliminated 316 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 1: eighty ghost students and another eighty showed up within an hour. 317 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 3: Eighty ghosts an hour. 318 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 2: Total enrollment appears was at seventy seven hundred before the 319 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 2: college's eight week classes began this spring. By the time 320 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 2: instructors cleared the ghosts, enrollment was down to just under 321 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 2: five thousand. 322 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: Just like that, So like a third of the enrollment 323 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: was fake and they were looking for money. 324 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 2: Well, you can see how easy this is to do 325 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 2: this because you're just doing this all by remote. 326 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, exaplication. So why didn't you end all that? 327 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: How about you want to enroll and you want money, 328 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: then you have to show up, and you show up 329 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: and we want to see ID and we want your fingerprint. 330 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 2: Yes, some have rules you have to show up at 331 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 2: least once to the class, because that would defeat the 332 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 2: point of recruiting more students who can't get to the 333 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 2: college because they have jobs or whatever, so they want 334 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:05,400 Speaker 2: to work on their own time. 335 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: Were stealing the idea of people who are sixty five 336 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:10,160 Speaker 1: years old, right. 337 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what he did, right, He took this guy's identity. 338 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: Right, So when you have to show up, then okay, 339 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 1: that scam is toast. There's no way around it once 340 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: you need real bodies to show up in class. God, 341 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: the whole bureaucracy in California, from top to bottom, is 342 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: stupid and lazy, and they don't care about all this 343 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 1: money that gets blown out. It's nobody cares start stupid 344 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: tax money. 345 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 2: Well, apparently some of the college people interviewed here, the 346 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 2: stressles are trying to define the mess. 347 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 1: Yes, the professor cares because she has a class scheduled 348 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: for eighty kids and now there's two, right or something 349 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: like that, So yeah, she cares. 350 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 3: But the people who set up the system, they don't. 351 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: Think for five minutes, like, well, what's going to happen 352 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: if we never require a human being to engage with us? Personally, 353 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:07,439 Speaker 1: what's gonna happen? You're giving away free money. I mean, 354 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: it's obvious, especially after the Edd scandal where they blew 355 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:15,120 Speaker 1: thirty billion dollars on all the worldwide fraudsters. Of course, 356 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 1: this goes on constantly, all day, all night. There are thousands, 357 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of people around the planet. We're scamming 358 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 1: one program or another. All right, we got more coming up. 359 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: John and Ken KFI A M six forty. We're live 360 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:35,360 Speaker 1: everywhere the iHeartRadio app. More the Johnny Kent Show, John 361 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: Cobelt and Ken Shampeau. It's k F I AM six 362 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 1: forty live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. And the iHeart 363 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 1: app is where you can hear the John and kennon 364 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:48,199 Speaker 1: demand podcast. And you know, this is kind of a 365 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 1: two parter. 366 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 2: We did a story that was running the San Francisco 367 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:55,919 Speaker 2: Chronicle entitled how ghost students are applying to colleges to 368 00:18:56,160 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 2: steal financial aid. We talked a lot that during the pandemic, 369 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:03,479 Speaker 2: people were stealing unemployment money, but what also started and 370 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 2: got bigger during the pandemic was stealing community college aid 371 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 2: money by what they call using ghost students. That is, 372 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 2: they would probably collect the name and some identifying information 373 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 2: of real people, but stick them in there as prospective 374 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 2: community college students and then apply for financial aid, which 375 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 2: would get diverted to the fraudster. 376 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 1: It says here. 377 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,199 Speaker 2: Although the state software has caught more than half of 378 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 2: fraudulent mission applications in July, it's still left about two 379 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 2: hundred thousand sham applications. The pelgrant is the most common. 380 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 2: It's a federal college subsidy for needy students, and fraudsters 381 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 2: love to try to steal that money. We're going to 382 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 2: talk to somebody reached out to us because she's mentioned 383 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 2: in the article. Kim Rich is a criminal justice instructor 384 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 2: at Pierce College to Community College in Woodland Hills, and 385 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:02,880 Speaker 2: she apparently is an expert at identifying these fake students 386 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 2: in her online classes. And of course that's the other 387 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 2: part of this. If the student is online, they don't 388 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 2: necessarily show up in front of you in the classroom. 389 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 2: It would be easier for them to be a ghost. 390 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 2: Let's get Kim on the show and talk more about this. 391 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: Kim, how are you great? How are you good? 392 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 4: Thanks? 393 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 3: Thanks for coming on. 394 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: All right, explain what you've seen from your post at 395 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: Pierce College. 396 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 5: Well, this release started basically a couple of years ago, 397 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 5: and the pandemic is really the catalyst for allowing this 398 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 5: to happen. Obviously, financial aid fraud has been around forever, 399 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 5: but you know, being online really enabled them to take 400 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 5: advantage of the situation. And also the free flowing money 401 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 5: that our government has been handing out also didn't, you know, 402 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 5: really help this cause. And in California you can apply 403 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 5: to one or one hundred and sixteen of our California 404 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 5: community colleges all through one portal, and so this made 405 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 5: it even easier for these criminals to access all of 406 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 5: our colleges community colleges and to be able to apply 407 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 5: to them and roll in them and then be able 408 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 5: to apply for and obtain financial aid. 409 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: So you could use dozens of names and apply to 410 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: dozens of colleges and get dozens of grant checks. 411 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:30,120 Speaker 5: Yes you can. 412 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 2: What does it mean in terms of paying tuition or 413 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 2: anything else that they have to do? I mean, does 414 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 2: the money come that quickly to them? 415 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 5: It says, And basically they've been able to use some 416 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 5: kind of algorithm. I am not tech savvy in that sense, 417 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 5: but they've been able to basically have these spots, you know, 418 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 5: just constantly applying and are enrolling in these courses. And 419 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 5: for instance, in my one class you know, has a 420 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 5: cap enrollment of forty, thirty eight of them ended up 421 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 5: being fake students. So thirty eight enrolled in this class, 422 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 5: and so they were able to if they who knows 423 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 5: if they actually ended up getting financial aid or not. 424 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 5: I don't have access to that data, but they could have. 425 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 5: Otherwise there's no point of them being enrolled in a class. 426 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 5: They're not there to get an education. They don't even exist. 427 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:32,399 Speaker 5: They're not real people. So they have the opportunity to 428 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 5: receive financial aid if they, you know, have that timeframe 429 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 5: where they can capture that financial aid and basically get 430 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 5: away with it. 431 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:42,640 Speaker 1: What are they using. 432 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 2: They're using real people's names and some sort of identifying data. 433 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: Is that what they use? 434 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:53,919 Speaker 5: Yeah, they're obviously using real people's information. Back when I 435 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 5: first detected this in summer of twenty twenty one, there 436 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 5: were in my course then I had found several instances 437 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 5: of identity staff where they had been using people's information 438 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 5: from throughout the country, even using people who were deceased. 439 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:18,400 Speaker 5: They were using their images and all of their data 440 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 5: that I was able to find on the internet. 441 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 2: Is this because you're a criminal justice instructor you really 442 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 2: made a point to try to track these down. 443 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 5: No, I just wanted to basically see how they were 444 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 5: coming upon using these images that were in the online class. 445 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 5: The images were kind of one of the reasons that 446 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 5: I want these do not look like normal students images 447 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 5: that they would use as an avatar in their class. 448 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 5: They definitely looked like they were something from the internet. 449 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 2: I was going to ask for your techniques and trying 450 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 2: to ferret out these these fake students. Is that what 451 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 2: do you usually do what looking for? 452 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 5: It's not really necessarily a technique, not something that I 453 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 5: would say, hey, you know, this is what you should 454 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,639 Speaker 5: do look for ABCD. It's just a lot of times 455 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 5: something that jumps out to me, things that I see 456 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 5: in common that are not normal or things that are irregular. 457 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 5: Now there's kind of becoming more of a system. You'll 458 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:30,479 Speaker 5: see obviously strange things in the names. You'll see you know, 459 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 5: the first name the last name are similar, or they're 460 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 5: the same identical first name and last name on the rosters. 461 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 5: Oftentimes you'll see them using characters or even numbers in 462 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 5: their name. Sometimes their names are actually very interesting. They'll 463 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 5: actually have like a little sentence is actually part of 464 00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:01,360 Speaker 5: the name. They come up with all unique things just 465 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,719 Speaker 5: to get into class, hoping that people won't catch it. 466 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 5: And if they get on the roster and the class begins, 467 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:12,919 Speaker 5: that means many people before it gets to the instructor 468 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,879 Speaker 5: have not caught that because they have been on the 469 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 5: roster enrolled in class for quite some time, that somebody 470 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 5: should have caught it and has them. 471 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 1: Going back to that class where you had forty people enrolled, 472 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: thirty eight of them were fake. How did you figure 473 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 1: this out? Did you have thirty eight bots on the 474 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: first day of class staring at you from the screen. 475 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:43,159 Speaker 5: My class is not a live class, so they have 476 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 5: basically a week to complete the work that I assigned 477 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 5: to them, but there's built in assignments where I can 478 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:57,160 Speaker 5: basically read out if a person is real or not. However, 479 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:03,120 Speaker 5: there are some tail tells lines where I basically determined 480 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 5: that the majority of them were fake, Like nobody except 481 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:13,120 Speaker 5: for a handful of them, actually logged into the class. 482 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:18,399 Speaker 1: So that's kind of there's a tip off right there. 483 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:25,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, And you know I was not the only 484 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 5: professor at the college that this happened to. I believe 485 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 5: mine was the lowest enrollment, but there were other faculty 486 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 5: who had numbers below ten, even below five where these 487 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 5: classes were full at one point in time up too 488 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:51,680 Speaker 5: close to a month before the classes began, and this 489 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:56,159 Speaker 5: should have been caught way before the semester began, and 490 00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 5: they weren't. And the enrollment at the call for specifically 491 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 5: these late start classes dropped close to three thousand students 492 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 5: just for these late start online classes. And that's a 493 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 5: big drop and enrollment just for that time period. 494 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 2: Where do they is the money paid, if you know, 495 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 2: the grant money. Is it paid by check or direct 496 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 2: deposit or how do these scammers get it sent to them? 497 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 2: They figure out some sort of scheme there. 498 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 5: So in the I guess you would call it the 499 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 5: old days actually really just only pre pandemic. Most of 500 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 5: the time you would go to the business office, show 501 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:40,119 Speaker 5: your ID, you would get a check, pay for you know, 502 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 5: obviously your tuition books, and then obviously some of the 503 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 5: money is used for expenses, living expenses. Now it goes 504 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 5: through basically what you mentioned, a direct deposit system, and 505 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 5: there is I guess you could call it maybe a 506 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 5: intermediate program platform. It's called bank Mobile and the contract 507 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 5: where I believe approximately one third of the colleges throughout 508 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 5: the United States. And so once the college receives the 509 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 5: money and takes their portion from what I have researched 510 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 5: and read, it goes into this bank Mobile account and 511 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 5: then the real student or the criminals can access bank 512 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 5: Mobile and request that money be sent to their own 513 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 5: personal account, and then they have access to the funds. 514 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 2: Well, Kim, thank you so much for coming on. We're 515 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 2: glad you heard we were talking about this story and 516 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 2: we enjoyed talking to you. 517 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 1: Appreciate it. 518 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 5: Thank you very much, Appreciate your time. 519 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 2: All right, It's Kim Rich, a criminal justice instructor at 520 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 2: Los Angeles is Pierce College. It's in Woodland Hills, and she, 521 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 2: among many other community college instructors, they have to spend 522 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 2: some of their time looking for ghost students, fake student 523 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 2: bots who will apply for financial aid. 524 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: Didn't want to rip off the system. 525 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 2: Johnny KENKFIAM six forty Live Everywhere, the iHeartRadio app. 526 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: Johnny Kent Show, John Cobelt, and Ken Champeau cat Fox 527 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 1: AM six forty Live Everywhere on the iHeartRadio app I can't. 528 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 2: Stell all right, So the voters of Los Angeles, now 529 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 2: it's more clear, got fooled the endless well that is 530 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 2: spending on the homeless homeless industrial complex. 531 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 1: We call it. Billions and billions of dollars spent. Not enough. 532 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 2: So they looked for a new way in the city 533 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 2: of Los Angeles to drain even more money from taxpayers, 534 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 2: and they put on the ballot measure ULA. I think 535 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 2: that stands for you to night LA. But it's a 536 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 2: property transfer tax. And when they sold it to the voters, 537 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 2: they basically said, this is just going to soak the wealthy. 538 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 2: This is only going to affect people who have very 539 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 2: very expensive homes for sale. If you have a property 540 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 2: costing between five million and ten million, the transfer tax 541 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 2: is four point four to five percent. When it gets 542 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 2: above ten million, it jumps to five point nine five percent. 543 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 2: Now this is above and beyond anything else you're going 544 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 2: to pay to transfer the property. 545 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: They got it passed. 546 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 2: And now what we learned, And we learned this because 547 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 2: Chicago is thinking about putting the same measure on its 548 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 2: ballot to try to get out of there. They're calling 549 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 2: it bring Chicago Home. Transfer tax. It goes before a 550 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 2: vote in that city in March. But we learned from 551 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 2: Los Angeles Councilwoman Nitia Rahman that quote, Well, we marketed 552 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 2: it as a mansion tax, and that's what made it 553 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,959 Speaker 2: easy for voters to get behind. But now what we've learned, 554 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 2: it goes after commercial properties too, office buildings, shopping centers, 555 00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 2: industrial warehouses, apartment buildings where renters could get hit with 556 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 2: these increases when the apartment changed his hands. 557 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 3: It wasn't just soaking the wealthy. 558 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 1: It ends up soaking renters because if the taxes are 559 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 1: heavy on a rental building, renters are going to have 560 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 1: to pay higher rents. And if you're soaking business owners, 561 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 1: they're going to have to charge you more for their 562 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 1: goods and services. So the Chicago Tribune did a story 563 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 1: on what plan they were trying to pass in Chicago, 564 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 1: and they went to Nitthea Rahman and she explained how 565 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 1: she and the others in her progressive circle fulled the public. 566 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 1: It was marketed as a mentioned tax, marketed not that 567 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 1: it was a mansion tax. 568 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 3: It was in bart I don't. 569 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 2: Think we even focused on the commercial aspects of this 570 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 2: as much as just the private real estate sales. 571 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 1: I don't remember. Maybe even we were fooled because we. 572 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 2: Said, well, it's all going to affect millionaires and billionaire 573 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 2: how many people sell properties for more than five million? 574 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,959 Speaker 1: Because who covered this other than the El Segundo propaganda 575 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 1: times And I bet you if we go back and 576 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 1: look at their coverage, that part was not prominent. And 577 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 1: they did not dissect exactly that if you go after 578 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 1: commercial buildings and you go after rental buildings, that it 579 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 1: would jack up prices for consumers and it would jack 580 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 1: up rents for renters. Because what you need when you 581 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 1: promote propaganda is you need media outlets to amplify the propaganda, 582 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 1: and that's what we have here. And I bet you 583 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 1: the TV stations barely covered this because it would be 584 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 1: too complicated. 585 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 2: So they talked to a guy with the California Business 586 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 2: Properties Association of Matthew Hargrove, he's the CEO, and he said, 587 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 2: without doing a lot of digging, you're going to find 588 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 2: out this was a disaster for LA real estate. It's 589 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 2: a market. Markets react to taxes. They're not coming anywhere 590 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 2: near their promise numbers. That's the problem with doing policy 591 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 2: at the ballot box LA officials had predicted the first 592 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 2: year of this new city, higher transfer attacks would rake 593 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 2: in six hundred and seventy two million for homeless services, 594 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 2: and proponents those really pushing this on the ballot and said, 595 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 2: oh no, we're going to rake in nine hundred million. Well, 596 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 2: how's of October one hundred million for six months, so 597 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 2: you doubled that two hundred million. That's well short of 598 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 2: those two predictions. 599 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 1: Well, after the uh tax went into effect the month 600 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 1: of April, only two mansions worth five million or more 601 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 1: were sold. In March it was one hundred and twenty 602 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 1: six people sold to beat the deadline, and then after 603 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 1: the deadline the market dried up almost entirely, from one 604 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty six to two. 605 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 3: And that's house. See, most people who. 606 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 1: Have made a lot of money and they have expensive 607 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 1: homes or condos are smart people, or they hire smart people, 608 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 1: and for them it's not hard to do math. For 609 00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 1: political hacks, it's very hard to do math. They're not 610 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 1: at numbers. Nithia Rahman is really bottom line of communist, 611 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,799 Speaker 1: so it's not surprising she wants to soak the rich 612 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 1: and soak property owners. You remember, communists don't believe that 613 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:17,440 Speaker 1: you should own private property, and most of the people 614 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 1: behind this measure are basically communists. Communist is having a 615 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 1: resurgence in this country, just like anti Semitism is. 616 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,440 Speaker 3: It's starting to look like that. 617 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:31,440 Speaker 1: You know, the nineteen thirties again, nineteen thirties, nineteen forties, 618 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 1: nineteen fifties, there was a lot of this stuff. I 619 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,240 Speaker 1: guess the old generation died out and there's no public 620 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,760 Speaker 1: memory of what life was like under communism, what life 621 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:44,399 Speaker 1: was like when Jews were being slaughtered, and so that's 622 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,759 Speaker 1: why you have rebounds, because a new generation doesn't know. 623 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,000 Speaker 2: And there you have a ten million dollar property and 624 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,920 Speaker 2: you get hit with this five point ninety five percent 625 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:59,880 Speaker 2: transfer tex that is six hundred thousand dollars. Now the 626 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 2: to say, well, that's just pennies to a billionaire, but 627 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,880 Speaker 2: you know, if you're involved in commercial real estate, where 628 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 2: you know margins can be tough, particularly feeling an apartment 629 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,359 Speaker 2: building or a shopping center or something like that, six 630 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,440 Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars is a lot of money that's going 631 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,799 Speaker 2: to affect your decisions and your timing offends me. 632 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 1: It's not not Nithia Rahman's business just because she doesn't 633 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,280 Speaker 1: have the talents and intelligence to make millions or billions 634 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:28,879 Speaker 1: of dollars. She promotes law that denies other people from 635 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,920 Speaker 1: enjoying the profits that they that they make. Who the 636 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 1: hell is she? She's like a little little gnat on 637 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 1: your rear end, buzzing around, trying, trying, trying to take 638 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 1: from you what she herself cannot create. She doesn't create wealth. 639 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,760 Speaker 1: She's never created a dime of wealth in her life. 640 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 1: So what is this her wacky theory? Well, I just 641 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 1: I don't think it's fair. It's not up to you. 642 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,880 Speaker 1: Who are you? Who are these people? 643 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 2: It's thinking that some people are just putting off selling, 644 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,359 Speaker 2: or they're hoping maybe a court case overturns the tax 645 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,279 Speaker 2: hike or and I think a recent one was not 646 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,319 Speaker 2: good news. I think it was upheld, or they just 647 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,600 Speaker 2: price it if they're in that range at just under 648 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,920 Speaker 2: five million, so there's no transfer a tax a like 649 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,399 Speaker 2: four point nine ninety nine million, right, just to give 650 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 2: them the finger. 651 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's and that's that's the tricks you have 652 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,920 Speaker 1: to pull. But you know it should get it should 653 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,200 Speaker 1: get repealed. It's not producing the money, and the money 654 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:30,440 Speaker 1: is going for what to pay more criminally crooked nonprofits. 655 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:32,839 Speaker 3: I mean, that's the thing. 656 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 1: The money just goes into a black hole and enrichest 657 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:40,040 Speaker 1: people who are in the in the fraud industry, nonprofit 658 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:46,480 Speaker 1: homeless organizations, oxters are hucksters. It's a scam. Seister is 659 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:50,080 Speaker 1: an huckster. Sist, Yes, it's sister and huckster. That's the 660 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:55,880 Speaker 1: leading to the law firm that represents them exactly clearly. 661 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:57,919 Speaker 2: But I just love the way she said. And we've 662 00:36:57,960 --> 00:36:59,840 Speaker 2: known this for as long as we've done this show 663 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,880 Speaker 2: that people will vote for a tax that does not 664 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,799 Speaker 2: affect them, a statewide sales tax, gas tax they're not 665 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,359 Speaker 2: too happy with. But you know, I remember the tax 666 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,759 Speaker 2: on millionaires for mental health services. Yeah, Darryl Steinberg twenty 667 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,279 Speaker 2: years ago worked. You don't see me mentally ill peep 668 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:15,800 Speaker 2: on the streets. 669 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:17,320 Speaker 3: No, it's been a miracle. 670 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,839 Speaker 1: Hasn't that done the job? It's all crime, is what 671 00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,279 Speaker 1: they're committing. The mental health tax is a crime. This 672 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,760 Speaker 1: mansion tax is a crime. It's just taking money because 673 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,440 Speaker 1: you don't like successful people. I mean, that is a bitter, 674 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,840 Speaker 1: sad potion. And just one quick story about that. 675 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,160 Speaker 2: Mental health taxes came up A couple of months ago, 676 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:37,640 Speaker 2: they were trying to move some of that money out 677 00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:41,080 Speaker 2: of there into housing, and I'm thinking, Wow, don't we 678 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,120 Speaker 2: hear every day we have a mental health crisis. We 679 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,120 Speaker 2: don't have enough mental health workers and psych facilities, and 680 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 2: yet they wanted to take money from the millionaires tax 681 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:52,040 Speaker 2: and move it over to more of their crazy housing ideas. 682 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,520 Speaker 2: That tells you all you need to know about how 683 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:58,560 Speaker 2: hopeless and useless that they are. We've got more coming up. 684 00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,719 Speaker 2: Johnny NKFI AM six four already live everywhere. iHeartRadio app