1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 1: On this week's episode of Cultivating her Space. 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 2: Owning your voice means what you have to say is valid, period, 3 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 2: and of this story. What you want is what you want, 4 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 2: what you stand behind with your beliefs, the way that 5 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 2: you manage money, what you want to do is yours. 6 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 2: And we have to get comfortable in that again because 7 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 2: as a black woman, we have not been taught how 8 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 2: to be comfortable with that. Instead, we have been couraged 9 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 2: to just keep silent a lot of the times. 10 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,919 Speaker 3: Hey, lady, have you ever felt like the world just 11 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 3: doesn't get you? Well, we do. 12 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 1: Welcome to Cultivating her Space, the podcast dedicated to uplifting 13 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 1: and empowering women like you. 14 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 3: We're your hosts, doctor Dominique Broussard and educator and psychologists. 15 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: And Terry Lomax, a techie and transformational speaker. 16 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 3: Join us every week for authentic conversations about everything from 17 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:08,559 Speaker 3: fibroids to fake friends as we create space for black 18 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:10,759 Speaker 3: women to just b. 19 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: Before we dive in, make sure you hit that follow 20 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 1: button and leave us a quick five star review. 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I look 31 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 3: forward to hearing from. 32 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: You, lady. If you're in a space in life where 33 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: you want to get your money right, or you have 34 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: financial goals that you're not quite sure how to achieve, 35 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:17,639 Speaker 1: our guest today has some gems just for you. Alijandra 36 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: Rojas is an entrepreneur, Forbes contributor, writer, and founder of 37 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: Bround Way to Money, a financial mentoring platform that helps 38 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 1: women overcome financial trauma and improve their relationship with money, 39 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: and she's also the host of the Brown Way to 40 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: Money podcast. Alejandra provides a unique blend of financial expertise 41 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:43,919 Speaker 1: and trauma informed coaching, empowering women of color to break 42 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 1: free from limiting beliefs and create financial abundance. She delves 43 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: into the emotional and psychological roots of money problems, helping 44 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: women heal from past experiences and develop a healthier, empowered 45 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: relationship with their finances. I don't know about you, but 46 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: I got my notepad here and my pen I'm ready 47 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: to take some notes. Welcome to Cultivating her Space, Alejandra. 48 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 2: Thank you so much, so happy to be here. 49 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: You're so welcome. 50 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 3: Yes, we are definitely looking forward to this conversation. And 51 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 3: so we're going to go to our quote of the day. 52 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 3: And Alexandra, this will sound really familiar to you because 53 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 3: these are your words. As we were doing research, we 54 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 3: came across lots of gyms in your social media accounts, 55 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 3: and so our quote of the day, Being ambitious as 56 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 3: a bad thing is one of the most ingrained beliefs 57 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 3: we hold, when in reality it's what transforms everything. All right, Yeah, now, 58 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 3: to make sure that everybody heard this, and because I 59 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 3: messed up initially, we're gonna run that back one time. 60 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 3: Being ambitious is a bad thing is one of the 61 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 3: most ingrained beliefs we hold when in reality it transforms everything. 62 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: That's right. Yes, okay, So our. 63 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 3: Hundreds tell us when when you hear your words reflected 64 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 3: back to you, tell us, give us some context. What 65 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 3: does that really mean when you say like it transforms everything? 66 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, just it's just so much just to hear it back. 67 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 2: Because here's the thing. We believe that what we have 68 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 2: like money problems, that the root of the problem is 69 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,919 Speaker 2: that we are not good with the number, that we 70 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 2: are not good understanding how to deal with the finances. 71 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 2: But what we really need to tap in into is 72 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:04,280 Speaker 2: really in thinking, well, what does numbers mean to me 73 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 2: and why they are meaning this limited perception, this limited idea. 74 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 2: And as a black woman, as a black culture, I'm Latina, 75 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 2: I'm a black Latina, Black Latinos. We have so much 76 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 2: narrative around being quote unquote grateful for what we have 77 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 2: and not being encouraged enough to aspire for more. Because 78 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 2: we have this limitation with ambition, we know that we 79 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 2: should be more ambitious, but not too much, not too 80 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 2: much to draw attention, not too much to you know, 81 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:56,919 Speaker 2: be as the next billionaire or trillionaire in town. Just 82 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 2: be enough ambitious enough so that you can go two 83 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 2: steps ahead, but be careful with how much ambition you 84 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 2: are like asking for. So I think that's that's one 85 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 2: of the quotes I love the most, And that's one 86 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 2: of the beliefs I love to debunk the most because 87 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 2: everything starts on how you are understanding your Where are 88 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 2: you going? Without ambition, we don't have a norse. Where 89 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 2: are you going? You want to get out of a 90 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 2: financial situation, then ten x that ambition, ten X those dreams, 91 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 2: ten eggs. That those the narrative around what you want 92 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 2: to do, and you will really find what are the 93 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 2: limiting beliefs that you are holding. That is why I 94 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 2: love it. 95 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for sharing. That is so powerful, Alejandra. So, Alejandra, 96 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: can you tell us your origin story, like how did 97 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: you become the Alejandra Rohause that sits with us today? 98 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 2: Yes? So I am a finance girl through and through. 99 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 2: My parents are both accountants, and I just went down 100 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 2: that path as well. But I didn't want to deal 101 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 2: with taxes, so I was like, I need something different 102 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 2: than what they are doing. But I truly fell in 103 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 2: love on understanding the human interactions, how people just understand 104 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 2: their lives through the numbers. So I would sit down 105 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 2: with my dad he was working at the table doing invoices, 106 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 2: and I will help him and do all this admin 107 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 2: and stuff, and it was a natural path for me 108 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 2: to go into university to study finances, and I wanted 109 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 2: to be the Wall Street girl. I wanted to be 110 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 2: the bank and all that. Quickly understood that wasn't the 111 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 2: path for me, because again I wanted to understand human 112 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 2: behavior through money, not just numbers on a screenwrite. So 113 00:07:55,520 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 2: I finished my university and I quickly got high. I 114 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 2: finished my university at in Madrid, and I quickly got 115 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 2: hired to work in Washington, DC. And then was when 116 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 2: the big girl job started. And I had a lot 117 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 2: of you know, I'm very good at what I do 118 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 2: since very early because of the exposure that my parents 119 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:25,679 Speaker 2: gave me. Right, and I got this at this point 120 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 2: of my life where I was just checking all the boxes. 121 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 2: I had the job, I had the quote unquote success, 122 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 2: I had the money, I had the everything that they 123 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 2: said young professionals should have. I did. What I did 124 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 2: not have was the understanding of where I was right. 125 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:51,679 Speaker 2: I was like just chasing these experiences, must have experiences 126 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 2: and things, and I ended up in burned out. So 127 00:08:55,360 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 2: six months into my job into having amount of money 128 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:05,079 Speaker 2: coming in, I also had a massive amount of debt 129 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:11,439 Speaker 2: accumulating and as the nerd that I am with money. 130 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 2: I was like, why is this happening to me? It 131 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 2: is not about financial literacy, because I have financial literacy. 132 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 2: I've been having financial literacy since I am nine years old, right, 133 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 2: I went to university to study for this. Like why 134 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 2: is it that I'm not able to say no to 135 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 2: happy hours? That I know that my credit card is exploding, 136 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 2: but I will push it one more day just to 137 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:44,559 Speaker 2: go and have them. Like why is it that I 138 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 2: am keeping up with this way of living? If when 139 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 2: I arrived home, I am crying and vomiting until I 140 00:09:54,679 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 2: fell asleep. And that was the moment when I wanted 141 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 2: to turn things around, when I realized what I was 142 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 2: living wasn't really anything for me. Like I wanted to 143 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 2: travel the world. That was my promise with my great grandpa. 144 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 2: My great grandpa passed before I was eighteen, before I 145 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 2: turned eighteen, and it was our promise that when I 146 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 2: turn eighteen, we will travel the world. So I wanted 147 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 2: to do that and I couldn't because I was in 148 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 2: this financial mess situation. And when it was time to 149 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 2: turn it around, I was like, wait a minute, I 150 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 2: know how strategically to get there, So why is it 151 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 2: that I have not done it. And in that search, 152 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 2: I understood that there was way more than just the 153 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:58,559 Speaker 2: strategy and the numbers, and I found things like relationship 154 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 2: to money, relationship ship to success, financial trauma, and the 155 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 2: narratives that we have around money. And I understood more 156 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 2: and more the behaviors that I was having, and that 157 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 2: was what slowly led me to start, you know, mentoring 158 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:22,439 Speaker 2: other people to see money in a different way, especially 159 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 2: those that were in the entrepreneurial path, because they were 160 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 2: more open to understand what they were doing that were 161 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 2: stopping them to grow with their businesses. And then, you know, 162 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 2: seven years later, here I am with a whole framework 163 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 2: understanding that money is not this just one you know, 164 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 2: substruction pluses and minuses money. When we are talking about humans, 165 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 2: it's about our stories and how we relate to those 166 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 2: different stories and numbers. And if we talk about women 167 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 2: of color, we I also need to talk about that 168 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 2: generational kind of narratives, any stories that comes with money. 169 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 2: So that's me in a nut chill. 170 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:15,559 Speaker 3: Wow. Thank you for sharing that. I think one of 171 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 3: the things that I really appreciate, Well, there are lots 172 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 3: of things that I appreciate about what you share But 173 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 3: two of the things that I that definitely stand out 174 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 3: for me, particularly as a psychologist who studies human behavior, 175 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 3: is that aspect, that psychological and emotional aspect that's tied 176 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 3: into our relationship with money and our decisions around money. 177 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,679 Speaker 3: And the other thing that stood out to me is 178 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 3: the acknowledgement that even as you have the education and 179 00:12:53,360 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 3: the degrees in money management right, that you still Bill 180 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 3: found yourself in a position where you weren't you weren't 181 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 3: following the principles, you were having money issues yourself right. 182 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 3: And what I appreciate about that is that to me, 183 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 3: what it shows is that we can have the knowledge 184 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:27,559 Speaker 3: and there are still barriers that will keep us from 185 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 3: being able to take appropriate action with the knowledge that 186 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 3: we have. And so one of the things that that's 187 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 3: coming up for me as you were sharing your story 188 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 3: is this understanding of trauma associated with our relationships with money, 189 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 3: particularly for black women. And now ale Hans you in 190 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 3: Terry's reading of your bier, we know that you are 191 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 3: a certified trauma money practitioner. Now we hear the word 192 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 3: trauma tossed around a lot as a psychologist, I'm like, listen, 193 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 3: let's make it plain. Let's really understand what the word 194 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 3: trauma means, but particularly in terms of the relationship to money, 195 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 3: and so tell us exactly what a certified trauma money 196 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 3: practitioner is and how you work with clients to heal 197 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:32,479 Speaker 3: their money wounds. 198 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 2: Yes, so here's the thing with money and traditional financial advice. 199 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 2: There is a lot of shame and guilt that comes 200 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 2: and there is a lot of questioning of why you 201 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 2: didn't do something where like you should have done something 202 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 2: with your money, or you should like by twenty five 203 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 2: you should have x amount of money saved by FETI 204 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 2: you should have both the house or whatever. Right, So 205 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 2: that is traditional advice and financial education, and it is 206 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 2: just not helpful. Well, I am here and thirty, I 207 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 2: didn't do it like what else? Right, But when we 208 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 2: don't have that financial trauma or that trauma infirm approach, 209 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 2: we believe that that's how we're going to change the behavior. 210 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 2: That by you making you aware that you are thirty 211 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 2: and you haven't hit the financial goals, it is how 212 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 2: you're going to change your behaviors because we're going to 213 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 2: sprinkle a little bit more of comparison formal, Right, that 214 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 2: is how you traditionally how you get your one two 215 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 2: years old daughter to stop doing a bad behavior, right, 216 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 2: That's not how you really understand the emotional traumo that 217 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 2: money does to you. So financial trauma approach and what 218 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 2: I deal with the femil entrepreneurs that I hope is 219 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 2: to understand where they are right now to help them 220 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 2: go through that shame that has been accumulated because of 221 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 2: this broad traditional financial advice to get them through the 222 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 2: guild that that produces. Because I understand that these money 223 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 2: situations have brought a negative impact that scout's in the trauma. 224 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 2: So when I sit down, I'm sitting down, I'm understanding 225 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 2: and hearing your story, and I'm making a picture of 226 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 2: hearing how this person is understanding money. Because of these situations, 227 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 2: I have a context. I'm not going to have a 228 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 2: shameful approach about money. I am going to encourage you 229 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 2: to start are looking for different avenues to move forward, 230 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 2: understanding that you are here at this point right now 231 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 2: for different reasons, and that we have to move forward 232 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:16,880 Speaker 2: with those reasons in mind, but not bring it up 233 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 2: again and not justify your actions because of it. So 234 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:27,439 Speaker 2: there is a lot that we do not anymore in 235 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 2: coaching because I'm not doing one on one coaching anymore, 236 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 2: but in the groups and the workshops and soon in 237 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 2: the collective that we are going to have in Broadway too. 238 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:37,919 Speaker 3: Money. 239 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 2: What we do is to understand three basic things from 240 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 2: the financial trauma perspective. One, you are here and that's 241 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 2: all that matters. I cannot ask you, can you go 242 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 2: back to this morning and wear a blue shirt if 243 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 2: you have a rich shirt. I mean, I cannot write. 244 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:00,200 Speaker 2: You are where you are and that's fine. Number Two, 245 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 2: we remove the shame and guild because from this perspective, 246 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:12,199 Speaker 2: shame is just an quote unquote artificial emotion that we 247 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 2: have created to control human behavior. It is not as 248 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 2: a physiological emotion that your body creates, like hunger. Your 249 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 2: very creates that hunger so that you go on and 250 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 2: have food that's a need from your boy. Shame is 251 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 2: created by society so you behave, and then you have guilt, 252 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 2: also artificial because again it's created so you behave and compertialize. 253 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 2: And again back to my daughter's like, it's very easy 254 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:49,199 Speaker 2: to get her to do something once they understand this guild, like, 255 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 2: oh you didn't do that, Oh okay, And that's what 256 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 2: we grew up with. So it's easier when you are 257 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 2: an adult and you get money to tap it into 258 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 2: the those behaviors, and then you get financial trauma and 259 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 2: you say, WHOA, If I continue doing this, this person 260 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 2: is not only going to have a hard time changing 261 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:14,640 Speaker 2: their behavior, but we'll also add to the reasons why 262 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 2: she has been on this situation in the first place. 263 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: Wow, so insightful. Thank you so much, Alejandra. As you 264 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 1: were as you were speaking, I'm thinking about someone who's 265 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 1: listening and they're wondering, do I have financial trauma or like, 266 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:33,360 Speaker 1: do I fit into this category? So if you could 267 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 1: just kind of share with us maybe some things or 268 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:42,639 Speaker 1: examples of money rooms that someone might have had that 269 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 1: you've experienced, like within your coaching program, and how that 270 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,639 Speaker 1: might impact their confidence and decision making. So we can 271 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 1: kind of see like a real life example in action 272 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:52,919 Speaker 1: of what that looks like. 273 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 2: You know, yes, so it all depends. And here's one 274 00:19:57,720 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 2: thing that I want to be very clear with your 275 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 2: that you are listening. The way that you feel with 276 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 2: money is the way that you feel with money. Don't 277 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 2: let anybody else to tell you that because you don't 278 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 2: feel a certain way, you are not going through either 279 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 2: financial trauma or trauma response or any situation. So what 280 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 2: I can tell you is what I have experience, but 281 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 2: it doesn't It doesn't mean that your experience is not valid. 282 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 2: It is valid and you should acknowledge how you feel. So, 283 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 2: having said that, there is a couple of things that 284 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 2: I see comment as a common thing. 285 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 3: Right. 286 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 2: Number one in confidence and decision making. People avoid to 287 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 2: make decisions at all costs with money when they're in 288 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 2: in financial trauma. They either wait, we really saw it. 289 00:20:53,760 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 2: With taxism, they wait until the last minute to file times. 290 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 2: But it's not the lack of knowledge that they have 291 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 2: to do it, and it's not the lack of support 292 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 2: because they have their tax advisors and the CPAs. Right 293 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 2: is the this body responds, the stomach timing, the chant, 294 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:24,160 Speaker 2: the getting sweaty, right, that is making them feel like, oh, 295 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 2: I just don't want to go to that platform that 296 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 2: comes to decision making. Sometimes it's really you know, it 297 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 2: affects too much that people ends up paying late fees 298 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:39,120 Speaker 2: for filing laid right. Another thing that I see a lot, 299 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 2: especially when entrepreneurs is underprising and if you put it in, 300 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 2: you know, in a normal job is never asking for 301 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 2: a race or negotiating your salary, So it's both sides 302 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:56,920 Speaker 2: with female entrepreneurship. For me, it's easier to tap in 303 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 2: because when you are an entrepreneur, you have control over 304 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 2: your prices and everything else comes to line. So one 305 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,159 Speaker 2: of the things that I love to do is to 306 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 2: go to the landing pages of these women and just 307 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 2: ask them, tell me what is your offer and what 308 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 2: is this for? And then show me your price. Tell 309 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 2: me this story and you see the misalignment. And that's 310 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 2: the way to spot the financial trauma, because then this 311 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,680 Speaker 2: story comes out, Oh really, if I charge that much, 312 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 2: people is not gonna buy, and people is and then 313 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:38,360 Speaker 2: this story, the real, you know, the real belief that 314 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:42,439 Speaker 2: they have experience with money comes up. But if you 315 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 2: are in a normal job and you have been there 316 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:50,360 Speaker 2: for two years, three years, five years, and you have 317 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 2: never asked for a race, you have never gotten your 318 00:22:54,800 --> 00:23:01,400 Speaker 2: salary negotiated why? And when you ask why, feel how 319 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 2: it feels in your body, Because that's the thing with trauma, right, 320 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,199 Speaker 2: you feel it in your body. It is not like 321 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 2: it's just living in your head. I feel my stomach 322 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 2: is the best indicator of where I need to move 323 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 2: through a situation. So when we talk about earnings, there 324 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 2: is a lot of trauma that we can tap in, 325 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 2: and it shows in different ways. When we talk about 326 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 2: confrontation with money or conversations more than confrontations with money, 327 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 2: that's another context where we see a lot of trauma. 328 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 2: And when we talk about being intentional with expenses, we 329 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,399 Speaker 2: see a lot of trauma as well. So it is 330 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 2: easier for you to spend, but if you hold a 331 00:23:55,600 --> 00:24:00,400 Speaker 2: lot of trauma and you know, thinking that you are 332 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 2: going to go broke or thinking that you will never 333 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:08,640 Speaker 2: have enough, you're most likely doing a miidlence spending. You're 334 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 2: not being intentional with those expenses. You don't have a goal, 335 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 2: you don't have a plan, you don't even have your 336 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 2: notification zone every time that you make a payment because 337 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 2: you don't want to see that that money is going. 338 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 3: Wow. So as I'm listening, there's a lot of information 339 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 3: that you're sharing that, at least for me, I haven't 340 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 3: necessarily heard from other financial efforts. And so you have 341 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 3: a company and you have a platform, the Brown Ways 342 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 3: of money. Yes, so tell us what exactly that is 343 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 3: and what is the work that you do. I heard 344 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 3: you and that you're not doing one to one coaching anymore, 345 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,439 Speaker 3: but that you have groups and you're getting ready to 346 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 3: launch a collective. So tell us about what the Brown 347 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 3: Weighs Money is. 348 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 2: Yes, the broad Wade too, money is really a movement 349 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:21,679 Speaker 2: that I have created to say there is another way 350 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 2: to money. There is another way that you can approach 351 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 2: these money conversations. And what we do in the platform 352 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:35,880 Speaker 2: first through the podcast, we have these conversations. I truly 353 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 2: believe that podcast is doing a great job, especially for 354 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:46,439 Speaker 2: women of color, for black women, to pour it in 355 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 2: the table, the conversations that we never had, the conversations 356 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:55,159 Speaker 2: that probably if we go out of a podcast or 357 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 2: the community that we are sharing this, they won't understand. 358 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,199 Speaker 2: So the Brown Way to Money, it starts with that 359 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 2: platform as a podcast, and then we have courses and 360 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 2: the group programs and like you said, soon to be 361 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 2: the collective where our unique goal is financial independence. I 362 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:21,360 Speaker 2: work with women of color entrepreneurs who know they want 363 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 2: to be financially independent. Because they know they want to 364 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 2: be financially independent and they have, you know, this ambition, 365 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:35,360 Speaker 2: we go through the framework, the Brown Framework, to make 366 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:39,400 Speaker 2: it happen with their businesses. The main goal of Brown 367 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 2: Waiting money. My main goal with Brownweight to Money is 368 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:47,879 Speaker 2: to get out there as a women of color. And 369 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 2: you know, just tell the role. Listen. We need to 370 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:56,360 Speaker 2: acknowledge the financial education that we are getting is mostly 371 00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 2: white financial education. Why because it comes from narratives, beliefs, 372 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 2: and systems that were not built for us. You are 373 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:11,160 Speaker 2: educating me in a product and in a system that 374 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 2: wasn't built with me in mind. So what of what 375 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 2: kind of education are we getting? And here I am aspiring, ambitioning, 376 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,919 Speaker 2: applying my own thing, right, my own framework to this, 377 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,159 Speaker 2: saying there is another way too money. There is a 378 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 2: brand way to money that needs to start with the 379 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 2: vision and how we understand money in the first place. 380 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:41,120 Speaker 2: It cannot start with a budget. It is never going 381 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 2: to work if it just starts with a budget. It 382 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:48,639 Speaker 2: has to start with understanding how am I understanding money 383 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,400 Speaker 2: and how am I relating to money? So that then 384 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:55,119 Speaker 2: we can go into those specific budgeting, cash flow and 385 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 2: all of. 386 00:27:55,520 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 1: That so powerful, and I just want to to I'm 387 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 1: taking a look at notes here, and you talked about 388 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,679 Speaker 1: the Brown framework, and I believe that's a big vision. 389 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:05,120 Speaker 3: Right. 390 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: You start starting with the vision. Remember but don't relive 391 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 1: the financial trauma. That's so powerful right there, own your 392 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:17,159 Speaker 1: voice and then normalize being there. So thank you for 393 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 1: sharing that. It's super powerful. And when I think about 394 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: folks that are listening, if they're if you could share 395 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 1: any practical tips for building a fulfilling life using a 396 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 1: I like to say money plan versus a budget. I 397 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: feel like for me personally because if my financial trauma, 398 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,440 Speaker 1: budget feels so constricting, so I'm like, I like to 399 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 1: call it a money plan. So what would you say, 400 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 1: are like some practical tips that folks can use for 401 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 1: building that life that they desire. 402 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 2: Yes, So the practicality is in the framework. First, I 403 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 2: want you to think, what is your big vision, big 404 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,959 Speaker 2: vision for a year, for five years from now, And 405 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 2: if you're just scary, then twice that vision. Like if 406 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 2: you don't want to think five years down the line, 407 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 2: then I want you to think ten years down the line, 408 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 2: because that is like we said, like we open this 409 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 2: episode with the quote, I want you to be ambitious. 410 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:15,479 Speaker 2: The more ambitious the better, because that is going to 411 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 2: surface all of those narratives that you're holding, right, So 412 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 2: start writer there. Step number one is to find that 413 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 2: vision and the find the number that that vision needs. 414 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 2: Many people will escipe that. But in the Financial independence community, 415 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 2: the fire community, we have something that I love. One 416 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 2: of the few things that I love from the community 417 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 2: is we define a number. There is a lot of 418 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 2: social media boomb around I want to hit the six 419 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 2: figure revenue, I want to do thankam or whatever. What 420 00:29:55,480 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 2: that even means? What that means to you. So what 421 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 2: you're going to do is to have a financial independence 422 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 2: number and that has a formula that they have a 423 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 2: lot of research have defined and I would just send 424 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 2: you guys a link where people can go through it, 425 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 2: because I know that not very good, you know, retaining 426 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 2: a lot of numbers. But basically the formula is you 427 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 2: will find how much you spend per month. They multiply 428 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 2: that so that you get a total four year and 429 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 2: then you multiply that times twenty five, so that will 430 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 2: give you what you need to have in your investment account. 431 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 2: That will compound every year onto you. You know, say 432 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 2: you want to retire at fifty, onto you turn fifty, 433 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 2: and that will give you enough money to live the 434 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 2: rest of your life. That is how you define your 435 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 2: you know, your vision. It is not just about I 436 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 2: want to do. You know, I want to have these 437 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 2: six figures business. Now tell me what kind of business 438 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 2: you want to have, and then how much it will 439 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 2: cause you to run that kind of business, and then 440 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 2: we do the math with the you know, the financial 441 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 2: independence number. Now, the second step to that is that 442 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 2: you're going to release the financial trauma you will remember, 443 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 2: not but not relief. When you start thinking and having 444 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 2: that vision, a lot of his stories will come up, 445 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 2: and instead of you saying, well, whatever, I want you 446 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 2: to address them one by one, baby step after a 447 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 2: baby step. So if today the story that comes up 448 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 2: is like, I will never have that amount of money 449 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 2: in my investment account. Once you see that number that 450 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:11,239 Speaker 2: you have created for yourself, then start working there. What 451 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 2: makes you think that you will never be able to 452 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 2: have that in your savings account or your investment account. 453 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 2: What voice comes to your mind when you are saying that, 454 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 2: Because it's usually not your voice, it is the voice 455 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 2: of mom, is the voice of that, is the voice 456 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 2: of Auntie, is the voice of the news who is coming. 457 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 2: And that's when we start releasing that financial trauma. Find 458 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 2: the threat, where is that coming from? And we move 459 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:52,479 Speaker 2: through it the easiest way that I can tell you 460 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 2: to start moving through it is to journal it, journaledge, 461 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 2: put it down, voice memo on your eye, on your cellphone, 462 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 2: say well this is what I'm thinking, this is who came, 463 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 2: and then find evidence is that true? I have. Last 464 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 2: week I was working with one of the ladies that 465 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 2: is building she's getting to build seven figure business that 466 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 2: is around two hundred and fifty thousand dollars that she 467 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 2: wants to hit. The amount of stories that came out 468 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 2: for her were incredible, like there was a lot on well, 469 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 2: my mom never had this amount of money. There was 470 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 2: a lot of what my sister will think when I 471 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 2: hit that milestone, And it all came back to be 472 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 2: onned her auntie's voice. Her aunt was the responsible to 473 00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 2: take care of the sister and her a long time 474 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 2: of their lives. And the aunt will refer to people 475 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,879 Speaker 2: that had money, people that did certain things that now 476 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 2: she wanted to do in a way that was conflicting 477 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 2: with what she wanted. 478 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:16,399 Speaker 1: To do now. 479 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,919 Speaker 2: So I think it is so important that we give 480 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 2: value to the thoughts and how they are coming so 481 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,759 Speaker 2: that you can move from there. Because now for the 482 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 2: lady that I was working, we understood it's not your beliefs, babe. 483 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:40,359 Speaker 2: Is your aunts? Now, let's change the perspective. Is your 484 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 2: aunt the person to advise you and mentor you in 485 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:45,880 Speaker 2: the path that you want to go of two hundred 486 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:51,279 Speaker 2: and fifty thousand dollars with your business? Because chances are 487 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 2: that she's not and she's not, So who do we 488 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,440 Speaker 2: need to turn now so that you find evidence that 489 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,440 Speaker 2: that path that you want to go is the path 490 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 2: and that is the process that we are in. That's 491 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 2: the next step that you can do. I think thus 492 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:14,920 Speaker 2: in itself are going to put you seventy percent ahead. 493 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 2: But to top it all off, following the Brown framework 494 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:24,680 Speaker 2: is owning your voice. Owning your voice means what you 495 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,720 Speaker 2: have to say is valid, period, end of this story. 496 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:34,240 Speaker 2: What you want is what you want, what you stand 497 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,440 Speaker 2: behind with your beliefs, the way that you manage money, 498 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,080 Speaker 2: what you want to do is yours. And we have 499 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,840 Speaker 2: to get comfortable in that again because as a black woman, 500 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 2: we have not been taught how to be comfortable with that. Instead, 501 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 2: we have been couraged to just keep silent a lot 502 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:57,400 Speaker 2: of the times. So when you say when and what 503 00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 2: happens with money is that everybody seems like has an 504 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:04,719 Speaker 2: opinion over your opinions on how you're managing, so it 505 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,520 Speaker 2: makes it even more difficult to own your voice. But 506 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:13,360 Speaker 2: once you have done your vision, you have your numbers, 507 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:18,880 Speaker 2: you have worked through the narratives, just stand and. 508 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:19,840 Speaker 1: Still with it. 509 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 2: And feel how it feels in your body, and feel 510 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:29,680 Speaker 2: how it feels to see from a distance other people's 511 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:33,279 Speaker 2: opinions about what you have. Because if it triggers you, 512 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,880 Speaker 2: then come back to set number two and release that 513 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:43,279 Speaker 2: trauma and keep owning that voice. Yeah, I will leave there. 514 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:51,600 Speaker 3: Wow. Okay, that was a lot of really good information, 515 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,680 Speaker 3: And so lady, as you're listening, you might want to 516 00:36:55,760 --> 00:37:01,440 Speaker 3: pause and rewind and take some more notes because I 517 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:06,279 Speaker 3: think this was this was really helpful in terms of 518 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:10,279 Speaker 3: really breaking down what are the things that might be 519 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:16,560 Speaker 3: getting in the way of us moving forward and getting 520 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:22,319 Speaker 3: that attaining that financial freedom that we're looking for and 521 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:26,920 Speaker 3: embodying and being comfortable and confident, like you said, in 522 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:35,399 Speaker 3: the money decisions that we're making. And so when you 523 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 3: think about the current economic times that we're in, particularly 524 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:50,320 Speaker 3: here in the United States, what would be your recommendations 525 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:57,160 Speaker 3: for black women who are feeling the price of AIDS 526 00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,960 Speaker 3: are going up. The price of everything is going up, 527 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:08,400 Speaker 3: and our money is not increasing. We've negotiated that raise, 528 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:16,080 Speaker 3: we've figure out a side hustle, but the money, the 529 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,560 Speaker 3: money is not the income coming in is not keeping 530 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:26,840 Speaker 3: up with the increased cost of living. And so there 531 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,040 Speaker 3: may be a lot of folks who are listening who 532 00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,399 Speaker 3: are stressed about that. And so what would be your 533 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:38,720 Speaker 3: recommendations in navigating tough economic times? 534 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:44,520 Speaker 2: Yes, the thing with economic times is that they're always 535 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 2: going to fluctuate. They're always going to be up and 536 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,080 Speaker 2: they're always going to be down, and that's how the 537 00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:56,040 Speaker 2: economy moves. Now, if you're feeling the stress, I hear you, yes, 538 00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:01,520 Speaker 2: But then when the microeconomic is moving, you gotta take 539 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,839 Speaker 2: control of what you can control, and you gotta turn 540 00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:09,960 Speaker 2: off that noise around you and focus on what you 541 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:16,240 Speaker 2: can control. Now, let's talk about tariffs. If tariffs, because 542 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:23,240 Speaker 2: the big thing now it is not directly affecting you 543 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:27,640 Speaker 2: as a supplier. That is important. Right now, instead of 544 00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:31,560 Speaker 2: listening to the news every thirty minutes, you're going to 545 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:35,480 Speaker 2: listen to the news once per week, and you're going 546 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:40,560 Speaker 2: to start moving that noise away because you need your 547 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:45,239 Speaker 2: focus on your financial situation when the economy is as 548 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:49,359 Speaker 2: uncertain as it is right now. You want to have 549 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:53,040 Speaker 2: control over your expenses, because that's what you can control 550 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:58,239 Speaker 2: one hundred percent. You want to think different scenarios and 551 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:02,080 Speaker 2: how you can move leaner, how the things that you 552 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:07,320 Speaker 2: can postpone on, making the things that if you pass 553 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,319 Speaker 2: from them one time or two times is not going 554 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,959 Speaker 2: to make a major difference. That's how you will be 555 00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:19,759 Speaker 2: thinking at the same time, because economic uncertainty gives a 556 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:23,880 Speaker 2: lot of opportunity for growth as well for those who 557 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:28,520 Speaker 2: are not in that trauma response and can see the opportunity. 558 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:33,160 Speaker 2: You are going to take five to ten minutes to decompress, 559 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:37,680 Speaker 2: go outside, go around nature. If you can take a 560 00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:42,920 Speaker 2: deep breath and think what else could I do today 561 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:49,080 Speaker 2: to have five percent more? You're already doing the side hassle? 562 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:53,880 Speaker 2: Perfect can you increase five percent the rate of your 563 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:58,520 Speaker 2: side hassle? And if the answer is no, I want 564 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:03,000 Speaker 2: you to ask why why not? And give me a 565 00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:10,600 Speaker 2: data backed up answer. Not what you think your client 566 00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,400 Speaker 2: will say, not what you think the economy will do. 567 00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,719 Speaker 2: What is the reason why you cannot go and say? 568 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,960 Speaker 2: You know what? Today I'm working as a VA and 569 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:26,560 Speaker 2: my rate is forty Why cannot increase it to forty five? 570 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:32,960 Speaker 2: Why cannot increase it to fifty? If you're just in 571 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:38,759 Speaker 2: your nine to five job, let's do the same thing. 572 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:46,319 Speaker 2: How else can I go to my employer and have 573 00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:51,279 Speaker 2: this conversation. I'm not telling you go ask for the race, 574 00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:57,560 Speaker 2: just half the conversation. Hey, I am very concerned of 575 00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:02,040 Speaker 2: what is happening. This is what I see, and this 576 00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,880 Speaker 2: is what I see. I need to keep up with 577 00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:09,600 Speaker 2: what is happening. How are we thinking to handle this? 578 00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:15,279 Speaker 2: How is it that you are thinking as an employer 579 00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:22,839 Speaker 2: that will be the financial forecast for us. It's all 580 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:27,440 Speaker 2: back to having control over what you can control. So 581 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:33,239 Speaker 2: first the first step is expenses. Now, I always like 582 00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,520 Speaker 2: to say, because it was the same in two thousand 583 00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:40,440 Speaker 2: and eight, what's kind of the same for COVID. What 584 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:45,000 Speaker 2: you want to go is Okay, from all of these things, 585 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:51,319 Speaker 2: what do I really need to live? And don't put 586 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:55,320 Speaker 2: yourself in a position of I am just going to 587 00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:59,040 Speaker 2: eat and sleep and not do anything else, because that's 588 00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,360 Speaker 2: just going to trigger a lot more of what we 589 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:06,719 Speaker 2: don't want that trauma. But leave enough like if you 590 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:11,560 Speaker 2: have and this is a real example, story. If you 591 00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:17,879 Speaker 2: have Netflix, HOLLO, and HBO subscriptions, do you really want 592 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,640 Speaker 2: all of those or can you just make it with Netflix? 593 00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:26,520 Speaker 2: And that's twenty dollars less than it was the month before. 594 00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:32,960 Speaker 2: If you're ordering takeouts three times per week, can you 595 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,200 Speaker 2: make it with just one time or maybe one week 596 00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,360 Speaker 2: one time and the next week you take a break, Like, 597 00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:45,120 Speaker 2: just think what you can go without and lean into that. 598 00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:50,160 Speaker 2: Because what you want to do not only to tide 599 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:55,400 Speaker 2: your financial planning, but you want to understand what do 600 00:43:55,600 --> 00:44:00,000 Speaker 2: you need really in your life. You want to understand 601 00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:05,480 Speaker 2: and kind of like when you are out on a 602 00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,000 Speaker 2: boat and they want you to be safe, they want 603 00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,719 Speaker 2: to know your surroundings and where you have to run, 604 00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,200 Speaker 2: And that's what you want to do with your money. 605 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:17,040 Speaker 2: Like I am here right now. If I need to 606 00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:21,840 Speaker 2: sink a little bit, I can drop these things and 607 00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:26,160 Speaker 2: that I can control immediately and then go to what 608 00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,920 Speaker 2: is going to take a little bit more time to change, 609 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,120 Speaker 2: which is your earnings. But if you have a side hustle, 610 00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:37,120 Speaker 2: you can change it right away. And if you have 611 00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:41,719 Speaker 2: to go through your employer, just start sparkling that conversation 612 00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:46,160 Speaker 2: that everybody is going to be having during these times. 613 00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,880 Speaker 1: That is so good. Alejandro and I took a couple 614 00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,400 Speaker 1: takeaways from what you share. You talked about focusing on 615 00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,200 Speaker 1: what you can control, which is something we'd love to 616 00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:58,719 Speaker 1: say on the podcast. I love that Also, protecting your 617 00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,960 Speaker 1: big vision, so not tuning into the news if it's 618 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,200 Speaker 1: not supporting that vision, because sometimes the news can be 619 00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,360 Speaker 1: so depressing. So I love that you mentioned that, And 620 00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,839 Speaker 1: it sounds like it's all about perspective, right, It's all 621 00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,000 Speaker 1: about perspective. And I love that you said, well, give 622 00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,200 Speaker 1: me a data bactor reason on why you can't do this. 623 00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,200 Speaker 1: That is powerful because a lot of times we do 624 00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,160 Speaker 1: that where we're like, oh, I can't raise my prices 625 00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:21,600 Speaker 1: because my clients are gonna say whatever. But you know 626 00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,280 Speaker 1: what's funny. I actually saw someone recently send an email 627 00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,880 Speaker 1: and they released a new coaching program and the price 628 00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,879 Speaker 1: point was so low that it like brought up something 629 00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,120 Speaker 1: in my mind. I was like, I wouldn't I thought, like, 630 00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,480 Speaker 1: why is it so low? I wouldn't even pay for 631 00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,400 Speaker 1: this because now I'm like, is it worth it? But 632 00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,040 Speaker 1: I know this person is worthy of it. But it 633 00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,279 Speaker 1: must be something that they're they're in a certain phase 634 00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,680 Speaker 1: of their journey where that's what they believe they need 635 00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,239 Speaker 1: to do. And so that resonated a lot when you 636 00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:49,040 Speaker 1: shared that. So I want to ask you, you shared so 637 00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:52,160 Speaker 1: many gems and before we close out, is there anything 638 00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,480 Speaker 1: that you haven't shared that you really want to share 639 00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:55,640 Speaker 1: with listeners. 640 00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:58,560 Speaker 2: Yes, I just want to pick it back on that, 641 00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:03,480 Speaker 2: because that's what really happens with this journe right. We 642 00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:07,040 Speaker 2: don't realize, especially when you're a business owner, you don't 643 00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:11,720 Speaker 2: realize how much of your stories can jeopardize your business growth, 644 00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:16,560 Speaker 2: not because of your money management, but how you as 645 00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:21,200 Speaker 2: a client, as a potential customer, peak on those money stories. 646 00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,800 Speaker 2: I told you the landing page, it really shows mis alignment. 647 00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:32,440 Speaker 2: The emails shows me's alignment because with prices, especially with numbers, 648 00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:36,760 Speaker 2: we are telling our story. We are telling our story, 649 00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:41,600 Speaker 2: and when we have customers and clients, they know our story. 650 00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,400 Speaker 2: And if a number doesn't make sense, it's like a blip, 651 00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:49,000 Speaker 2: like way there is something around here, like I understand 652 00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:53,040 Speaker 2: the value, but the value is also through a number, 653 00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:57,719 Speaker 2: but the number is not speaking that value. Why And 654 00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,160 Speaker 2: when you flip it to the business owners, the why 655 00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:05,040 Speaker 2: is a financial trauma, like oh, I need to lower 656 00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,960 Speaker 2: the prices because nobody's going to buy from me because 657 00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:12,080 Speaker 2: they are going through theorifs and recession and possibly a 658 00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,879 Speaker 2: stagnation things. So I need to make it very low 659 00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:19,279 Speaker 2: so people can afford. Where is the data saying that, 660 00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:26,200 Speaker 2: where is your customers telling you that? Otherwise it's just 661 00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:30,319 Speaker 2: going to be your money story, and that we can 662 00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:35,520 Speaker 2: rewire that money story. We can rewire. Yeah, so I 663 00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,920 Speaker 2: just want to I just wanted to point on that 664 00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:44,399 Speaker 2: and again tell everybody have these money conversations, especially now 665 00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:48,279 Speaker 2: that we are going through the economic uncertainty, have those 666 00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:55,440 Speaker 2: money conversations. Understand different points of view, validate what you're feeling, 667 00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:59,160 Speaker 2: and look for different ways to deal with money if 668 00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,520 Speaker 2: you are not comfort trouble where you are with it 669 00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:02,040 Speaker 2: right now. 670 00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:07,320 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. 671 00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:14,759 Speaker 3: Yes, we really appreciate this conversation, Alejandra. So can you 672 00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,919 Speaker 3: tell us because I know our listeners are like, oh wait, 673 00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:23,400 Speaker 3: hold on, this is this is really resonating, Like how 674 00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:25,160 Speaker 3: can they connect with you? 675 00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,840 Speaker 2: Yes, just where you're listening right now to this podcast, 676 00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,560 Speaker 2: go to listen to Brown Waite to money podcasts. That's 677 00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,160 Speaker 2: the first place. But if you want to get in 678 00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:39,560 Speaker 2: contact with us, I'm on Instagram as money my said expert, 679 00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:43,760 Speaker 2: and then you probably will find the whole platform from there, 680 00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:47,680 Speaker 2: and you can also find me at Forbes. I drop 681 00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:53,040 Speaker 2: a column highlighting financial stability for entrepreneurs of color every week, 682 00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,239 Speaker 2: so if you look Alejandro Rojas and Forbes, then you 683 00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:57,200 Speaker 2: will find me there too. 684 00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:01,560 Speaker 1: That is so amazing. Thank you so much, Ali Hundras. 685 00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,520 Speaker 1: We appreciate you and we will definitely be keeping in 686 00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:06,960 Speaker 1: touch and add some of those links in our show notes. 687 00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,520 Speaker 1: So thank you again for your time and expertise. 688 00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:11,799 Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you. 689 00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:17,040 Speaker 1: If you're feeling stuck, overwhelmed, or unsure of your next steps, 690 00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:21,040 Speaker 1: this is for you. 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