1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:02,600 Speaker 1: I got to wrap up in a few moments upstairs, 2 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: but I expect that we will be proceeding forward. We 3 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: will not have a government shutdown, and we will meet 4 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 1: our obligations for our farmers who need aid, for the 5 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: disaster victims all over the country, and for making sure 6 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: that military and essential services and everyone who relies upon 7 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: the federal government for a paycheck is paid over the holidays. 8 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 1: I'll give you the more details here in just a 9 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: few moments. 10 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 2: How do you talk? 11 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 3: This is Peter Schweitzer, that's Eric Eggers, and we were 12 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 3: just listening to Speaker Johnson, who is saying that there 13 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 3: is going to be no government shutdown. I guess the 14 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 3: devil is going to be in the details. And we 15 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 3: have a great guest to talk to us exactly about 16 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 3: what's going on in Capitol Hill. Congresswoman Nancy Mace is 17 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 3: joining us. She's on the House Oversight Committee, the House 18 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 3: Armed Services Committee, the House Veterans Affairs Committee. She's a 19 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 3: congresswoman from South Carolina. A Congressman Mace, thanks for joining us. 20 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 3: Are you as optimistic as Speaker Johnson is on the 21 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 3: fate of this bill. 22 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 4: Well, he has a better whip count than I do. 23 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 4: It's hard to say at this point, but I think 24 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 4: you'll need a number of Democrats to ensure that there 25 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 4: is no government shutdown based on the way things are 26 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 4: going this afternoon, we'll see. We don't have a time 27 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 4: on when we are voting, and haven't seen the final 28 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 4: language in the legislation. 29 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:20,839 Speaker 3: So you've been very principled in that that you actually 30 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:24,759 Speaker 3: voted against a bill that President Trump wanted and voted 31 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 3: on principle, which I think is great. What is your 32 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 3: view of the debt ceiling? There has been this kind 33 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 3: of weird sort of alliance almost between Donald Trump and 34 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 3: Elizabeth Warren Democrats who say let's get rid of the 35 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,119 Speaker 3: debt ceiling, or at least suspend it. Do you think 36 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 3: that's going to happen? And what's your view on the 37 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 3: debt ceiling? 38 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 4: Well, you know, in terms of the debt seling, what 39 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 4: that does was the way that they did it the 40 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 4: other day, is suspending it where there was no limit 41 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 4: on the debt for two years. I mean, it could 42 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 4: be an extra one trillion, it could be an extra 43 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 4: ten trillion dollars because there were no guardrails in place. 44 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 4: I would only be willing to negotiate some type of 45 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 4: measure on the debt ceiling if we have actual spending cuts. 46 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 4: We've been down this path before, we did a debt 47 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 4: ceiling previously, where we had no limit on the debt, 48 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 4: and you know this is going to fast track us. 49 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 4: So over fifty two million dollars of debt, we're going 50 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:18,519 Speaker 4: to be robbing Social Security and other folks. It's money, 51 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 4: taxpayers money to pay for the debt that we're incurring 52 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 4: right now. Because Republicans and Democrats alike can't be trusted 53 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 4: on spending, which is why if we're going to lift 54 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 4: the debt ceiling, we have to have real spending cuts, 55 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 4: not just play money, not fuzzy math, but actual, real 56 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 4: legitimate spending cuts. And so that's my take. And of course, 57 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 4: looking at the first two CRS, the first R spending 58 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 4: was the same level as the second CR spending. It 59 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 4: was another myth that was sort of out there that 60 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 4: because it was one hundred and sixteen page bill versus 61 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 4: sixteen hundred pages, but somehow it's spent less. So it 62 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 4: wasn't about the pages. It was actually about what's actually 63 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 4: in the bill on the pages. And I read both those, 64 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 4: so I'm well versed in and what it actually did 65 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 4: and did not do. And unfortunately, you know we're in 66 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 4: this situation. I'm going to forego my pay if the 67 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 4: government shuts down, I won't be taken a pay check. 68 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,519 Speaker 5: You read both bills that put you in the profound minority, 69 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 5: I think, unfortunately for members of Congress. And you were 70 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 5: a leader, and thank you for just kind of being 71 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 5: open and honest with the American people about going through 72 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 5: the original bill that was fifteen hundred and forty seven pages, 73 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 5: and you highlighted so many of the provisions that people 74 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 5: found objectionable, including the pay raise for members of Congress 75 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 5: and lots of other items of pork. I guess my 76 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 5: question to you is this. 77 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:33,399 Speaker 4: There was so much woke in that. But I don't 78 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 4: know how that bill passed Republican muster. I mean, they 79 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 4: literally renamed criminal offenders to justice individual. I'm sorry, but 80 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 4: if you're a racist and murderer, pedophile, you're not a 81 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 4: justice individual. You're a criminal and should be in jail. 82 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 5: So the question is, how did that happen? How does 83 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 5: stuff like that get into a bill that anyone had 84 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 5: with a Republican Speaker of the House, where there's a 85 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 5: reasonable expectation that it will pass. And you know, the 86 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 5: conversation we've had in the first hour was we kind 87 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 5: of contrasted this very open and honest and transparent debate 88 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 5: about this spending bill with the Wall Street journals reporting 89 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 5: over the last three years about the effort to conceal 90 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 5: Joe Biden and all of his kind of cognitive decline. 91 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 5: And so, you know, the American people have been lied to. 92 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 5: Do you think that the elites that are in charge 93 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 5: think they can just still lie to people? And if so, 94 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 5: does the fact that we're having this debate now suggest 95 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 5: that that time is over? 96 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 2: No? 97 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 4: One percent and the lies continue. I sat in meetings 98 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:32,799 Speaker 4: today with groups of Republicans where the lie was stated 99 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,919 Speaker 4: that if we do single subject bills tonight, do a 100 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 4: claim CR, do a separate disaster relief fill, and a 101 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:43,679 Speaker 4: separate farm extension or farm type bill, that the Senate 102 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 4: could only take up one bill. That is a lie. 103 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 4: There is nothing limiting the Senate from taking up three bills. 104 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:53,239 Speaker 4: We also as a House could do three separate single 105 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 4: subject bills and then do what's called a MERV a 106 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 4: erv And what the MERV would do is we would 107 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 4: do this three separate boats and then combine the bills 108 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 4: together as they were sent over to the Senate, so 109 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 4: they only have one vote. So like, there are many 110 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:10,479 Speaker 4: options in vehicles, in ways that we can go about this. 111 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 4: But again, Republicans were lied to. Because they were lied to, 112 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 4: they got scared, and so it sounds like we're going 113 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 4: to do the CR again, the CR that we did 114 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 4: last night, but no debt ceiling. So it's just the 115 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 4: same thing a different year. And it's just like my 116 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 4: frustration is that nothing has changed since November. This is 117 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 4: the same we did before, and Republicans ran on being 118 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 4: conservative physically fiscally. Republicans ran on we're going to cut spending, 119 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 4: and yet we're going to saddle President Trump and the 120 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 4: new Trump administration with all of Joe Biden's spending agenda 121 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 4: going into his first year in office. And I think 122 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 4: that is a mistake on our part and we can 123 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 4: do better. And if not, the promise we made to 124 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 4: the American people, we promised them we would cut spending. 125 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 4: That is not what we're doing today. 126 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 5: So Peter Schwiz and I do a podcast on kind 127 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 5: of government corruption, and so I apologize for not being 128 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 5: an expert on congressional procedures, But why could the Senate 129 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 5: only take one vote? Are they like stuck in traffic? 130 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 5: Is like, what's the problem with their schedule that they 131 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 5: might not be allowed to take more than one vote? 132 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 4: But that was the lie. That was the lie to 133 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 4: Republicans that they could only do the Senate can only 134 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 4: take up one bill. That's not true. That's what I'm 135 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 4: we were told. I was. I heard the lie in 136 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 4: two meetings with people today and it scared them. Yeah's makeup. 137 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 3: Here's my concern, Congresswoman. And maybe I'm being too cynical, 138 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 3: maybe I'm not optimistic enough. I'm wondering when we have 139 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 3: the new Congress come in with a Republican majority in 140 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 3: the House, which is going to be slender, but we 141 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 3: now have a Republican majority in the Senate, is this 142 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 3: actually going to be easier or are we going to 143 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 3: be having the same problems? I mean, is the problem 144 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 3: not just the Democrats right now, but you have a 145 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 3: certain group of Republicans who want to do the talk 146 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 3: and get the political benefit about cutting spending, but who 147 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 3: actually don't want to do it. So is it going 148 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 3: to get better in a Trump administration? Or we're going 149 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 3: to be lagging with the same problem. 150 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 4: I think that the President will have challenges with certain 151 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,479 Speaker 4: members of our party getting his agenda done, and that 152 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 4: is in my worry from day one. I've been screaming 153 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 4: about it for weeks now. I love the idea of Doge. 154 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 4: I love Elon and the Beck and Trump weighing in 155 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 4: on how we're going to turn our country around. But 156 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 4: there are a subset of people within our parties, certainly 157 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 4: aided by Democrats and people on the left, who will 158 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 4: do everything in their power to stop the American First agenda. 159 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 4: And part of that agenda is to cut spending. But 160 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 4: you know, what I've seen today was a time honored 161 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 4: tradition of disinformation up here on the hill, you know, 162 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 4: to trick House members into accepting a bad deal, to 163 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 4: accepting bad terms. And I think there are that powerful 164 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 4: forces out there that are in the ear of people 165 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 4: in leadership, and that will be in the administration not 166 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 4: telling these people the truth, not telling them how it 167 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 4: works and how we get this done, because this is 168 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 4: not cutting spending, this is not putting the American people first. 169 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 4: It's going to saddle us with more debt. And we 170 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 4: have to take spending and the debt. 171 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 5: Seriously, we're talking with Representative Nancy Mace of South Carolina 172 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 5: Representative base. You're talking to the country right now, you're 173 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 5: on national radio. I mean, be as honest as you 174 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 5: want to be. Who are what are these forces that 175 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 5: get in people's ears? I mean, how does this stuff happen? 176 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 5: How is it that you know, lies can be embraced 177 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 5: and then foisted upon the American people by the people 178 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 5: those people elect to be in charge. 179 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 4: Well, I mean we heard. I mean I was in 180 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 4: a meeting today and I said this is this isn't 181 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 4: really true with the Senate. Another person came up behind 182 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:33,959 Speaker 4: me to say, that's correct. They can do more than one. 183 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 4: I confirmed it with a senator as well. But there 184 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:39,079 Speaker 4: are people out there that it could be, fellow members 185 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 4: of Congress within our party. It's also people who are 186 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 4: on the staff of leadership, the offices of leadership that 187 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 4: we have here. But this is just what they do. 188 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 4: You'll get lied to so that you get scared and 189 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 4: you get forced into a corner. You take a deal 190 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 4: you should have never negotiated with in the first place. 191 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 4: And you know, I've seen a lot. I've been around 192 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,319 Speaker 4: a little bit, and I know how to call a 193 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 4: spade a space, which is why I sometimes get, you know, 194 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 4: get in trouble. But I also want to tell the 195 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 4: American people the true It's why I dissected the fifteen 196 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 4: hundred and forty seven page bill to show people what 197 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 4: was actually in it and why it was so bad. 198 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 4: And when I said yesterday that the second CR spent 199 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 4: the same exact amount of money as the first one, 200 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:20,079 Speaker 4: no one could believe it. But that's why you had 201 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 4: to have someone read both bills and be able to 202 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 4: do the addition, do the map to tell you what 203 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 4: was actually in there and what was being it was 204 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 4: being spent on. 205 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 3: So this new bill that is being offered, are you 206 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:35,959 Speaker 3: going to be voting for it? Are you going to 207 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 3: be voting against it? And what do you think Speaker 208 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,199 Speaker 3: Johnson's fate is right now? Given the turmoil and the 209 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 3: tumult that we're seeing in the House. 210 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 4: I think I think Johnson's safe as Speaker. I don't 211 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 4: think that is up for grabs at this juncture. I'm 212 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 4: still waiting on the final language of the bill. I 213 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 4: will look through it if we have time. The other 214 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 4: night we had about an hour and so we were, 215 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 4: you know, scanning it very quickly. I hope we have 216 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 4: more time than that. I'm alee know on this thing. 217 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:03,959 Speaker 4: I have not ever voted for a continuing resolution. I've 218 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 4: never voted for a CR. I've never voted for an 219 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 4: omnibus or a minibus. But I have always supported the 220 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:11,959 Speaker 4: law that says the nineteen seventy four Budget and Control Act, 221 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 4: which said Congress needs to have a budget and you've 222 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 4: got to have twelve appropriations bills to fund that budget, 223 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 4: which is something we have not done in decades, and 224 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 4: back to last time we did anything like that, Democrats 225 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 4: were in charge. The last time we balanced the budget 226 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 4: was a ninety editor Bill Clinton when Newt Gingrich was 227 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 4: a Speaker. So we've got a lot of work to 228 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 4: do as a party to tell the American people that 229 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 4: you have stopped selling them a bed of lies, a 230 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 4: bill of goods that isn't true. We need to have 231 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 4: meaningful reform if we're going to do debt feeling, have 232 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 4: spending cuts, and make sure that we're cutting all of 233 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 4: the waste. And I hope that dose has a big 234 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 4: say in what we do in the next six months, 235 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 4: because it's going to matter. We have very little time 236 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 4: and we have to get to work as soon as 237 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 4: Trump is sworn into office. There's no time to waste. 238 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:56,079 Speaker 5: Donald Trump has not been sworn yet, as you noted, 239 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 5: but he did seem to endorse the bill last night 240 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 5: that you voted against. When you vote no on something, 241 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 5: obviously it's a brand new era, it's an unprecedented time 242 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:06,719 Speaker 5: this way. Are you hearing from the president. Are you 243 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:08,599 Speaker 5: hearing from any of his staff when you vote no 244 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 5: on this? And is that? Are they lobbying you on this? 245 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 4: No, No, not at all. I haven't heard from from 246 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 4: anyone in that candid. In fact, our leadership on the hill, 247 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 4: we're not whipping votes last night for that bill. Last night, 248 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 4: nobody whipped my Interesting far as I know, no one 249 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 4: was zipping anyone's votes last night, which I found interesting. 250 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, that is very interesting. We're talking with Congresswoman Nancy Mace. 251 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 3: We appreciate the principled stance that you take in Washington, 252 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 3: d C. We know it's a tumultuous time. We appreciate 253 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 3: you tracking with us what is going on, and we 254 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:44,959 Speaker 3: will look forward to the vote that is coming up. 255 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 3: Thank you a congresswoman for joining us Thank you so much, 256 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 3: and thank you for listening to the Sean Handerity Show. 257 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 3: We're going to be back after this break. We've got 258 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 3: more guests, we've got more comments. 259 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 5: Well, and we have a guest that is actually a 260 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 5: current member of the United States Senate. So when she's 261 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 5: saying what they're hearing about what the Senate can or 262 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 5: cannot do, we will hear from rand Paul in the 263 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 5: next hour. We'll ask him directly. So, Hey, you know 264 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 5: this is what it is, the public form. We're trying 265 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:11,679 Speaker 5: to figure this out together America. He's Peter Schweizer. I'm 266 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 5: Eric Egers. This is the Sean Handy Show. We'll be 267 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 5: right back. 268 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 3: This is Peter Schweizer. I'm here with Eric Eggers. We're 269 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 3: filling in on the Sean Hannerty Show. We have asked 270 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 3: you to come in to the program and talk about 271 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 3: your theory of drones. And we have a caller from Tallahassee, Florida. John, 272 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 3: tell us your theory about what's going on with the drones. 273 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 3: It's Chris. Sorry, Chris, tell me your theory about the drones. 274 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 2: You got it, it's Chris. 275 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 6: Well. Listen, I got a friend who lives on a 276 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:45,119 Speaker 6: little farm in Montana, and she's been documenting UFO sightings 277 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 6: for the last several weeks. And these are not the 278 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 6: same as what everybody's talking about in New Jersey. She's 279 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:54,679 Speaker 6: got him on iPhone, she's got him on go pro, 280 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 6: and she went out and got a high powered telescope 281 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 6: and put it on him. And she described I did 282 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 6: with as looking like the gravitron from the State Fair. 283 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 6: Now what's really interesting is there, just in that same direction, 284 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 6: there's an Air Force base. She also called everybody she 285 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 6: could think of to tell them. Nobody was interested, and 286 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 6: just a couple of days ago, finally a government agency 287 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 6: gave her a call. She's pretty smooth, but. 288 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 3: I know your theory is that this is this is 289 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 3: not something from an adversarial power, This is not something 290 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 3: that our government is doing. Your theory is that this 291 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:39,079 Speaker 3: may be extraterrestrial. Right, That's one of the theories that's 292 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 3: out there. 293 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 6: That's what I'm thinking, And I will say this. After 294 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 6: she got the call. The next night, she saw what 295 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 6: she described as an Air Force drone probing the area 296 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 6: where she's been seeing these things for weeks. So I'm 297 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:53,599 Speaker 6: of the mind that it could be extra trust or 298 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 6: some crazy technology that we just aren't aware of yet, 299 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 6: and it seems like maybe even our military not quite 300 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 6: sure what it is either. 301 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, Chris, thank you very much for the phone calls. 302 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 5: It's one of two things. Obviously, it could be something 303 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 5: that we don't know what it is, or it could 304 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 5: be a thing that the military and our government decides 305 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 5: not to tell us about. If one of the common 306 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 5: themes of this program is you know, what do we 307 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 5: know about Nancy Mace, which is very honest with us 308 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 5: about the negotiations happening in Congress. 309 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 3: It's transparency, and we also. 310 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 5: It's being juxtaposed with the fact that Biden administration lied 311 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 5: to us about how healthy the president is. If my 312 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 5: wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility, they also 313 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 5: lied to us about these things. So what concerns me 314 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 5: is there's actually a quote from Nancy Mace on the 315 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 5: drone topic, and she says, my concern is if it's 316 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 5: not a craft from outer space, because it has to 317 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 5: be on the table. Is it technologies at ours? Is 318 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 5: it brushes at China? But the point is that the 319 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 5: Department of Defense needs to answer questions from Congress. So 320 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 5: it sounds like even they don't know, and so I think, 321 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 5: you know, it's a viable question, right, Hey, what do 322 00:14:58,080 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 5: we know about this and what don't we know? I 323 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 5: think you're the when it told me that the FAA 324 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 5: just banned drones in New Jersey. 325 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 3: That's right, the fa band after saying that this was nothing, 326 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 3: nothing to see, now they've banned it. And look, this 327 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 3: is the problem. When you don't actually give honest answers 328 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 3: to people, all kinds of theories can develop. That's the 329 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 3: nature of it. So truth abhorrors a vacuum. You've got 330 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 3: to let people know what's going on. I can't think 331 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 3: of any reason why they can't tell us what's going on. 332 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 3: So we're gonna have to see how this all plays out. 333 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 3: But I think people are gonna get more suspicious, and 334 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 3: this is why they're distrustive of their government. 335 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 5: Well, who's not distrustive is Peter Schweitzer's happy because he 336 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 5: finally got to take a call on drones and the 337 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 5: trying to do it for an hour and a half. 338 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 5: When we come back, we're going to talk about a 339 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 5: different conspiracy. They're gonna talk to Gerald Posner about what 340 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 5: we know and don't know about the person that took 341 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 5: a shot at Donald Trump this summer. Some interesting questions remain. 342 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 5: We'll be right back after this on the Sean Handy 343 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 5: radio shows. 344 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 3: Peter Schweizer, Eric Eggers. We're filling in for Sean hannerity. 345 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 3: We do the Drill Down podcast. You can subscribe to 346 00:15:56,800 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 3: it on any podcast platform that's out there, and we 347 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 3: are going to be talking next. I think about a 348 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 3: topic that's been ignored frankly quite a bit. I mean, 349 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 3: remember I remember where I was when the Donald Trump 350 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 3: assassination attempt took place, the first one, the one where 351 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 3: he was wounded in the ear, and it was huge, 352 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 3: massive news in July, and it seems to have kind 353 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 3: of disappeared from the national conscience. But also we don't 354 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 3: seem to be getting a lot of updates of what 355 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 3: actually happened. 356 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 5: No, it's a great point. And at the time I 357 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 5: thought that the coverage of the Trump assassination attempt, because 358 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 5: like you, I also remember where I was. It was 359 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 5: massive news. But there was a lot happening because then 360 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 5: you know, Joe Biden was still in the race, and 361 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 5: then he got out of the race, and that seemed 362 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 5: to shift it and it felt like covering the Trump assassination, 363 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 5: which was a largely positive story for Donald Trump, seemed 364 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 5: like the media helping the Trump campaign. It was a 365 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 5: positive story, so almost like that you can't cover real 366 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 5: news because it's good for Donald Trump, and we know 367 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 5: firsthand how much the meat is not into doing that, 368 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 5: and so that I thought that was one reason that 369 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 5: went away. But then when the United Healthcare shooting happened 370 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:07,640 Speaker 5: and we instantly within forty eight hours, knew everything about 371 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 5: the dude that did that, and we still know so 372 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 5: little about the person that took a shot at the 373 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:15,679 Speaker 5: next president of the United States. I think it puts it, 374 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:18,679 Speaker 5: to quote Kamala Harris, into a different context. 375 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 3: Exactly exactly. Well, we have a great guest now to 376 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 3: talk about this. He's literally one of my favorite writers, 377 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 3: Gerald Posner. He's an investigative journalist. He's written sort of 378 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 3: the definitive books, I would argue on a series of 379 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:35,239 Speaker 3: high profile assassinations. He's the author of Case Closed, Lee 380 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 3: Harvey Oswald and the Assassination of JFK, which came out 381 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 3: in nineteen ninety three, and also Killing the Dream, James 382 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 3: Earl Ray and the Assassination of Martin Luther King Junior. 383 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:46,199 Speaker 3: And what's interesting about Gerald is we had him on 384 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 3: our podcast after the Trump assassination attempt, and Gerald, who's 385 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:54,679 Speaker 3: very level headed, very detailed and focused on facts, who's 386 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 3: not a conspiracy theorist. He was kind of surprised at 387 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 3: the ineptness in which the Secret Service and the federal 388 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 3: authorities we're investigating the Trump assassination. So we want to 389 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 3: have Gerald back again to get an update. Where are 390 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:10,400 Speaker 3: we what do we know, what don't we know? How 391 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 3: things might be going awry? Gerald? Are you there? Thanks 392 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:13,880 Speaker 3: for joining us. 393 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I am Peter, Eric. Thanks so much for talking 394 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 2: about this, because you're right, it's sort of like it 395 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:24,439 Speaker 2: fell off the shelf in terms of focus from the media, 396 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 2: and there are so many other subjects that jumped ahead 397 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 2: of it, and that of course, you know, it's the 398 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 2: greatest dereliction of duty I've ever seen from the Secret Service, 399 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,919 Speaker 2: and is that first assassination attempt, especially so when it 400 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 2: came so close to Trump actually being hit by the 401 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 2: assassin a bullet just a fraction of an inch away 402 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 2: from his head. And afterwards, who loves the fact that 403 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 2: it's fallen off the radar more than the Secret Service 404 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 2: and the federal agencies, no one, because they'd rather be 405 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 2: talking about just about anything. But and one of the 406 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 2: things I hope the new administration does is in terms 407 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 2: of oversight, is demanding the full follow up that the 408 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 2: American public deserves to know, not just about the things 409 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 2: we already have out there and the mistakes that were made, 410 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 2: but the much deeper concerns about how security was held 411 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 2: back at times from the Trump rallies, what the politics 412 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 2: were behind that, and the aptitude that's not just on 413 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 2: the local police but on the FEDS in particular. 414 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it seems to me Gerald that they're going 415 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 3: to have to go in there. It's probably going to 416 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 3: be kind of like trench warfare. 417 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 2: Right. 418 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 3: It's not like the Secret Service or any government agency 419 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 3: for that matter, likes being embarrassed, likes to have their 420 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 3: dirty laundry air, but it needs to be aired. So 421 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 3: my first question to do to you would be how 422 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 3: do you actually go about doing that? The second question though, is, 423 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:48,919 Speaker 3: and again I try to follow these things, but it 424 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 3: seems to me there's kind of an information black hole 425 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 3: about the you know, would be assassin himself. We don't 426 00:19:56,119 --> 00:20:00,199 Speaker 3: really know that much more about his motive is that 427 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 3: because he's a mystery man, or do you think that's 428 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:06,239 Speaker 3: because it's maybe being held back or or you know, 429 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 3: might be embarrassing, or might you know, be construed as 430 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:11,360 Speaker 3: serving some kind of political agenda. 431 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 2: So so exactly that question we can't answer because the 432 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 2: information is not being put out there. What we need 433 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 2: is we need the full information about him. So right now, 434 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:27,120 Speaker 2: the attempted you know, assassin is like a rorshock test. 435 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,400 Speaker 2: You can put into them whatever you want. You want 436 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 2: to think that he was just a loan nutter who 437 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 2: was out there to shoot Trump. You want to think 438 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:36,439 Speaker 2: that he was part of the you know, a secret 439 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 2: agency that sent him out there to try to shoot Trump. 440 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:40,959 Speaker 2: There's all types of things you can fit in. Because 441 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 2: the government's its own worth enemy in not providing us 442 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 2: to full information about what they know about him, the 443 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 2: social apps that he used, the information that he had, 444 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 2: the private security material around him. We need to see 445 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:57,640 Speaker 2: it so that we can independently draw conclusions about what 446 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 2: motivated them. We don't always get a final nane. Not 447 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 2: everybody needs a manifesto. Not everybody is like the unibomber, 448 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,640 Speaker 2: you know, and giving your forty thousand words about why 449 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 2: they did it. So I get it that, you know, 450 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 2: people like to have it wrapped up in a neat 451 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 2: little bow and to know exactly why somebody ended up 452 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:17,159 Speaker 2: on a roof twenty three years of bay shooting at 453 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 2: the former president the next president of the United States. 454 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 2: And we may not get it as neatly wrapped up, 455 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,439 Speaker 2: but we certainly need to see the information in the 456 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,199 Speaker 2: public domain and have a transparent and that we're not 457 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 2: getting at all. 458 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,640 Speaker 5: So speaking of transparency, Gerald, and that's a word we've 459 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 5: used a decent amount today because you know, that's kind 460 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 5: of a common theme between all the different stories that 461 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 5: we're covering. This debate in the House and in Congress 462 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 5: over how to fund the government. It's now actually happening 463 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,639 Speaker 5: in a transparent way, mostly because it's happening through social 464 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 5: media and we can see the stuff that they put 465 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 5: in the first bill, the pay raises and like all 466 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,679 Speaker 5: the other the DEI zoo and all these crazy things 467 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:59,880 Speaker 5: that can be rightly rejected because we know that they exist. 468 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 5: We talked about the coverage about Joe Biden, and the 469 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,719 Speaker 5: more we learned about the steps that his staff and 470 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 5: the people that we pay with tax dollars took to 471 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 5: hide what should have been another massive story in the country, 472 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 5: which is the fact that the president of the United 473 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,239 Speaker 5: States is having to be told by AIDS when and 474 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 5: where to exit stages that, to quote the Wall Street Journal, 475 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 5: would have been obvious to an average person. I mean, 476 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 5: that's who was in charge of the country. And the 477 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 5: point is this is that have the elites and the 478 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 5: government gotten so used to just being in their minds 479 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,679 Speaker 5: allowed to lie to the American people that this is 480 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 5: another thing that they just don't feel like we deserve 481 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 5: to know. And is that unusual? I mean, you have 482 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:43,200 Speaker 5: looked into the jfk assassination, You've studied American history. Where 483 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 5: would you put what the government feels like we should 484 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 5: and deserve to know in a historical context? Because it 485 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:51,640 Speaker 5: seems like it might be at an all time low. 486 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it might be an all time low, Eric, 487 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 2: But I think that the government has always had this 488 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 2: elite view, which is we're going to give the people 489 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 2: as little as possible. We're going to give them just 490 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 2: what we need to give them to get to do 491 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 2: what we want to do. It's just that it's more 492 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 2: visible now because, like you said, we can go on X, 493 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 2: and we can see called out almost in real time 494 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 2: the list of items in the fifteen hundred pages of 495 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:18,120 Speaker 2: the original bill. That's just pure pork. In the old days, 496 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 2: you would have had to wait a few days for 497 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 2: a newspaper article, you know, thirty years ago, to do 498 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,160 Speaker 2: a story about Wasport. They would have picked up one 499 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,640 Speaker 2: tenth of it after the bill was already passed. So 500 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 2: I think the elite got used to figuring out they 501 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 2: didn't have to say much. And the story, by the 502 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 2: way in the Wall Street Journal about how Biden's aids 503 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 2: and the officials in government had to work isolate him, 504 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 2: cut out negative news, sort of handle him in a 505 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 2: way to hide his you know, the cognitive decline that 506 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 2: he had from really almost right in office. That story 507 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 2: is pretty infuriating on its own, but what really makes 508 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 2: seem kind of out of my head is the idea 509 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 2: that they were not just trying to wrap up a 510 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,640 Speaker 2: four year presidency and say hey, we got away with it. 511 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,360 Speaker 2: They were trying to get another four years out of it. 512 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 2: They tended to run the government themselves. They just needed 513 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,400 Speaker 2: the figurehead Biden to be able to do well enough 514 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,160 Speaker 2: in the election to be Trump and then of course 515 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,479 Speaker 2: it all fell apart in that first debate, but if 516 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 2: it had not. When I was reading that article in 517 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 2: the Journal, I kept thinking to myself, they weren't just 518 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 2: lying to us and holding back the facts and saying, 519 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 2: let's run out the clock. It's over in November. They 520 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 2: were saying, let's get another four out of it. And 521 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 2: that to me. You talk about threat to democracy, the 522 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 2: thing that was used all the time by the left. 523 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 2: You know, Trump's going to be a threat to democracy. 524 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:42,160 Speaker 2: Forget about that. You lost your democracy under the Biden administration, 525 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 2: would have lost it for another four because a secret 526 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 2: cabal of aids and officials that held different degrees of power, 527 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 2: who were never elected to any office at all, were 528 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,120 Speaker 2: running the presidency with a figurehead up there. 529 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 5: And by the way, that's not conspiracy. That's like a 530 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 5: real thing. We all sort of just now like know 531 00:24:58,880 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 5: that's what happened. 532 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah exactly. We're talking with Jerald Posner, 533 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 3: who is really a premier investigative journalist, really one of 534 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 3: my favorite writers. He has written a number of books 535 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 3: that you want to look into, and we're talking to 536 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,679 Speaker 3: them about the Trump assassination and about government sort of 537 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,439 Speaker 3: hiding information in secrets. I have two questions for you, Jerald. 538 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 3: The first one on the Trump assassination, that the sort 539 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 3: of black hole of information, and this may be a 540 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 3: speculative question, I understand that, but do you believe that 541 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 3: the withholding of information is incompetence or is it actually 542 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,440 Speaker 3: by design? And my second question is on a totally 543 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,639 Speaker 3: different subject, but it's related. I want you to comment. 544 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,160 Speaker 3: I want to get your thoughts on the drones, because 545 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 3: it seems to me the same thing is going on 546 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,680 Speaker 3: with the drones, where there's this lack of information. They 547 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 3: seem to lie to us to say, oh, there's nothing 548 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,160 Speaker 3: to see here. People don't believe it, so it leads 549 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 3: to all kinds of speculative attitudes. Could you comment also 550 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 3: on the drones, but first give us your thoughts on 551 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 3: the assassination attempt, the lack of information and what you 552 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 3: think the motivation is or what's going on there. 553 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think that they tie in in an 554 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 2: odd way. I mean that may seem strange when at 555 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 2: first say that the lack of information on the assassination 556 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,199 Speaker 2: and the drones sigh in, but meaning the way the 557 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 2: government responds they pass off. It's intentional. Almost all the time, 558 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 2: when they're withholding information, it is with malice of forethought. 559 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 2: Is that we used to say as a lawyer, I'm 560 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 2: not a practicing lawyer any longer. I don't practice, But 561 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 2: that's what we used to call it, when you had intent. 562 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 2: They have intent to withhold it. They know exactly what 563 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 2: they're doing, but they want to cover it under the 564 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:43,119 Speaker 2: umbrella of incompetence so that people think, oh, yeah, you know, 565 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 2: maybe the drones really belong to them. Maybe they just 566 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,360 Speaker 2: you know, didn't have somebody looking at the roof, at 567 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 2: the at the site. They were spread too thin and 568 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 2: they just haven't gotten around to it. The right part 569 00:26:56,240 --> 00:27:00,040 Speaker 2: of the bureaucracy hasn't yet released the information, and so 570 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 2: therefore you think that's government bundling and inefficient, which it 571 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 2: often is. But the inefficient part of it gets to 572 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 2: cover the more nefarious parts of withholding information and keeping 573 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 2: people from giving you to the truth. 574 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 5: No, it's a great point. We're talking with Gerald Posner, 575 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 5: and I guess final question for me, Jerald, talking about transparency, 576 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 5: it does seem to be a sea change, and one 577 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:27,159 Speaker 5: reason why, clearly is because of the role that social 578 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,679 Speaker 5: media and I think Twitter or x specifically seems to 579 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,679 Speaker 5: be playing in it. You seemed to You commented on 580 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 5: Twitter recently that Rand Paul gets the award for the 581 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,919 Speaker 5: most out of the box suggestion. When I think he 582 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 5: suggested that the Speaker of the House could be Elon Musk? 583 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 5: Is is that something not that Elon Musk would be 584 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,639 Speaker 5: Speaker of the House. But it's an interesting time if 585 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,919 Speaker 5: you've studied previously a lack of information, the way the 586 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 5: government controls information. It's kind of amazing in the area 587 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 5: that we live in now where you can actually see 588 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 5: through this lens the mechanisms of government at work in 589 00:27:59,280 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 5: real time. 590 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's absolutely it has. It's a sea 591 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 2: change for those of us who have been investigati journalists 592 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,679 Speaker 2: and covered the government in years past. Now you have 593 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,399 Speaker 2: the major puplic square social media platform in terms of 594 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 2: Twitter for news. You know, every organization is on there, 595 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,639 Speaker 2: heads of State, all the political groups, every police organization 596 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 2: that and now you have the person who owns Twitter 597 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:28,119 Speaker 2: essentially as a confidant and close to and having played 598 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 2: a key role in the re election of President Trump, 599 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,880 Speaker 2: having a voice in this administration running doge and having 600 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 2: a say and so you see he pushes a lever 601 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 2: and people respond, and there are a lot of people 602 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 2: doing it on there. The rampaulse suggestion was I thought, 603 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 2: you know when I saw it, and I know there'd 604 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 2: been talk a year or two ago about Trump posted 605 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 2: me being the Speaker of the House right if he 606 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 2: took a seat in Florida. But the idea of you know, 607 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 2: somebody coming in as Speaker of the House who wasn't 608 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 2: a member of the House is pretty extraordinary. We all 609 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 2: forget that that's possible. The idea that could be must 610 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 2: have set people's hair on fire on MSNBC and other 611 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 2: platforms just at the very one in ten thousand possibility. 612 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 2: So I do love to see those things play out. 613 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 2: But there's real news there. You see developments take place, 614 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 2: and it's much harder. I love this or politicians and 615 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 2: public officials to hide the truth for a very long 616 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 2: time because they keep getting hammered in the public square 617 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 2: and eventually they have to either go silent, you know, 618 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,479 Speaker 2: and cancel their account, or they have to come up 619 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 2: with the goods. 620 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 3: We've been talking to Gerald Posner, who's one of my 621 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 3: favorite investigator journalists. He's the author of Case closed. He's 622 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 3: the author of Dream, which is about the assassination Martin 623 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 3: Luther King Junior also has a newer book out called 624 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 3: Pharma About Pharma, I would encourage anybody that's looking for 625 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 3: a great read as a Christmas gift pick up a 626 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,479 Speaker 3: book by Gerald Posler. Gerald, thanks for joining us. And 627 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 3: we hope that the transparency revolution is going to continue 628 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 3: because this it seems to be a good time for transparency. 629 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's overdue. We're not going to get 630 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 2: everything we want. We're not going to learn all the 631 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 2: secrets at once, I guarantee you that, but we're certainly 632 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 2: going to push in a disruptive way, and disruptive being 633 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 2: good in this sense because the old way of doing it, 634 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 2: which is just to sort of eat the public at 635 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 2: a distance and tell them only what they need to know, 636 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,959 Speaker 2: they need to know actually everything the government is doing. 637 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 2: It's because the only way that people can eventually determine 638 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 2: who they want to put into political office, the people 639 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 2: who are really serving public good and those who are 640 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 2: just serving their own good. 641 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 5: Well, the jail poser. We're going to do our best 642 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 5: to continue to try to tell you the American people 643 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 5: as much as we know about what your government's doing, 644 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 5: will continue doing that. Right after this, he's Peter Schweizer. 645 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 5: I'm Eric Eggers. This is the Sean Handy Radio show.