Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media, Kamala Harris and Tim Walls. Little John
Speaker 1: didn't mention anything about sweat dripping off his balls.
Speaker 2: He sure did not, And that's the greatest act of
Speaker 2: you know, amongst all of the genocide denial, it takes
Speaker 2: a lot of cowardice to really stand up in this crowd.
Speaker 2: But Little John refusing to talk about sweat dripping down
Speaker 2: his balls in the middle of the DNC was a
Speaker 2: horrible mistake here.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I didn't know he was going to start
Speaker 1: that way.
Speaker 2: I knew I was going to start that way. I
Speaker 2: think it was in pain. Garrison, do you know the
Speaker 2: song we're talking about? What Welcome to What happened here?
Speaker 3: I'm Garrison Davis, annoyed with my bosses, Sophie Lichtman and
Speaker 3: Robert Evans.
Speaker 2: Very old, very old. Remember when Lil John was slightly
Speaker 2: not He was never really that transgressive. Little John's always
Speaker 2: been pretty family friendly. I guess.
Speaker 1: Somebody replied to the video I post of Little John
Speaker 1: saying maybe the best lil and you.
Speaker 2: Know, ah, there's I had a soft spot in my
Speaker 2: heart for Lil Wayne, not that he was good, but
Speaker 2: because he's really funny, Like missus officer. That's that's a
Speaker 2: fun song. That's a fun story about pretending he had
Speaker 2: sex with a police officer.
Speaker 3: The Democratic National Convention continues inside Chicago, Illinois.
Speaker 2: Lil Wayne not yet present, but maybe night. People say
Speaker 2: Swift might show up soon.
Speaker 1: She well, she she had a couple shows and she
Speaker 1: could potentially get here by tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, that's great, that's great. I was actually about Jonathan Swift.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, author of a modest proposal.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but in my heart, I really don't think
Speaker 1: she's coming.
Speaker 2: No, why would she? What does she gain from that?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: So Tuesday we spent the day split up, mostly with
Speaker 3: me and Robert going to a protest and Sophie entering
Speaker 3: the United Center to watch the lib Utopia unveil, complete
Speaker 3: with an appearance.
Speaker 4: I'm so happy Lil John I believe is what he's
Speaker 4: referred to as.
Speaker 1: Yes, that is that is correct?
Speaker 4: Thank you?
Speaker 2: Yes, just checking as someone currently wearing a mesh shirt.
Speaker 2: He is in your line of descendants, like this is
Speaker 2: one of your one of your saintedt ancestors.
Speaker 4: I don't know how I feel about that.
Speaker 3: And we will we will get to the Little John
Speaker 3: anticks Uh specifically with the State of Georgia, which made
Speaker 3: quite a show. Later on in the episode we will
Speaker 3: be talking about that, but first we will be talking
Speaker 3: about what me and Robert spent a good I don't know,
Speaker 3: four hours yesterday doing.
Speaker 2: I was out for closer to eight because I went
Speaker 2: out earlier to look at some stuff I went to.
Speaker 2: There was a pro Israel Free the Hostages event that
Speaker 2: I went to and looked around. Briefly, not a whole
Speaker 2: lot to say about it other than some art that
Speaker 2: I don't fully know how to think about yet. They
Speaker 2: had a massive one of the young women that was
Speaker 2: abducted by Hamas that very famously had like blood on
Speaker 2: her grace sweat pants. They had just like a massive
Speaker 2: two story tall pair of gray sweatpants covered in blood.
Speaker 2: But it wasn't really clear until you got up close
Speaker 2: what it was trying to be. So it was just
Speaker 2: kind of like it was odd, odd visuals for the event,
Speaker 2: I'll say that, but mostly pretty tame. There was maybe
Speaker 2: thirty or forty people there, and that was about two
Speaker 2: three blocks down from the plant side of the protest
Speaker 2: that you and I went to, which was the Centsure Tower,
Speaker 2: which is apparently it's like a mall on the inside
Speaker 2: and a metro station and also several floors mini floors
Speaker 2: of office space. So I'm guessing that the Israeli Consolate
Speaker 2: is a couple of small offices in this big building.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so there was a purchase plan for later this evening.
Speaker 3: As me and Sophie were going to get lunch, I saw.
Speaker 2: Like Sophie and I.
Speaker 1: I saw they both just looked at me, deciding who
Speaker 1: I was going to give a turney look to.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 2: You were the United Kingdom and me correcting Garrison's grammar,
Speaker 2: was the German arm marching into Belgium.
Speaker 3: I saw a whole bunch of police vans driving through
Speaker 3: downtown Chicago on the way to the Israeli Consulate. And
Speaker 3: we showed up a few hours later for the for
Speaker 3: the protest planned that evening. Like usual, we tried to
Speaker 3: arrive early and there was a few kind of characters
Speaker 3: bumping around the area that a lot of media was
Speaker 3: just fascinated by.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the start of it was there was the same
Speaker 2: There was had been a Nazi lady out at the
Speaker 2: protest the day before as well. She has like bright
Speaker 2: purplish hair carried and on the first day, just a
Speaker 2: cardboard sign covered in racial slurs, loved shouting the end word. Today,
Speaker 2: she had a friend. They unveiled a sign. People confronted them.
Speaker 3: It was like it was like a white genocide, white
Speaker 3: like white replacement, great replacement type sign with a URL
Speaker 3: to a telegram channel.
Speaker 2: I believe, Yeah, you had a channel. Yeah, I think
Speaker 2: she had a friend today.
Speaker 4: Did someone else with her?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: It was shocking news.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they usually have at least one, right, maybe,
Speaker 2: and and then uh, I mean kind of the at
Speaker 2: one point, sort of while we were all waiting around,
Speaker 2: because it was initially just a shitload of press, some
Speaker 2: lookie loose from the local area, and a bunch.
Speaker 4: Of cops, well, a bunch of private security, a lot.
Speaker 2: Of private security, mostly for the media. There's a fun
Speaker 2: game of spot the concealed handgun, because none of these
Speaker 2: guys are very good at concealing their fucking handguns. But
Speaker 2: at one point, I'm standing and talking to another media
Speaker 2: and I see this like massive circle of cameras fill
Speaker 2: up around, and so I'm wondering, Okay, maybe something's happened.
Speaker 2: I get over there, and I didn't even think to
Speaker 2: like stop myself from you know, using my outside voice.
Speaker 2: I just shouted as soon as I got close, Oh fuck,
Speaker 2: it's the MyPillow guy. There's is the least news anything
Speaker 2: could possibly be. But for some reason, there was like
Speaker 2: maybe like forty cameras. It's just like huddled around this
Speaker 2: guy trying to get whatever picture or whatever, letting you talk. Yeah,
Speaker 2: a couple of protesters kept engaging him about Gaza, which
Speaker 2: I just don't think that there's anything to be gained
Speaker 2: from engaging them pillow guy. With the exception of Garrison,
Speaker 2: the way you chose to engage the MyPillow.
Speaker 3: Guy, I think there's really only one way to handle this,
Speaker 3: and well there's maybe two ways. You can just completely
Speaker 3: ignore him, which is probably probably probably the best.
Speaker 4: Ask what I did, because.
Speaker 3: There's there's no reason to engage with this. There's no
Speaker 3: reason to give him what he wants. The other option
Speaker 3: is just to completely baffle him, just be really confusing.
Speaker 3: So I went up and I didn't even ask a question.
Speaker 3: I just I just said you said Mike first, which
Speaker 3: I left so funny.
Speaker 1: I just want the listeners to know that after a
Speaker 1: fourteen hour day yesterday, I get I get back to
Speaker 1: the hotel Garrison and Robert have had several drinks in
Speaker 1: Garrison is like, did you see my video? Did you
Speaker 1: see my video? And what was that video?
Speaker 4: We'll play the audio here. Mike skimbity Biden, skimmity.
Speaker 3: Biden, skimmity Biden, gimty skimmity Biden.
Speaker 4: So no, I was able to get Mike. You know,
Speaker 4: we're pretty.
Speaker 3: Let's how you guys talk now, it's around to say
Speaker 3: s giveny by, because that's the only way to handle
Speaker 3: these guys. It's just like just like just really you're
Speaker 3: not even like annoying them, You're just kind of baffling.
Speaker 4: Because all he wants.
Speaker 3: Is attention to take his little piece and trying to
Speaker 3: attract whatever media attention, and you just got to kind
Speaker 3: of fuck with them.
Speaker 2: And it's it's kind of a good sign that he
Speaker 2: did that, because this is not if you think about
Speaker 2: where he was in like twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, him
Speaker 2: showing up alone, no visible security escort to just kind
Speaker 2: of stand around before a protest and bullshit, is like,
Speaker 2: that's a man whose life has fallen apart, like he
Speaker 2: has nothing.
Speaker 3: Left, no everything he was saying I'm able to hear
Speaker 3: him say at four am on Fox News. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: that's that was pretty much the little pre show circus,
Speaker 3: and you know, people starting to trickle into the area slowly,
Speaker 3: you know, people in Kefia's you know, protesters, medics started
Speaker 3: to slowly, slowly enter enter this little like you know,
Speaker 3: block radius, and then very very suddenly, from like the
Speaker 3: opposite side of where everyone else was stationed at, we
Speaker 3: saw a group of maybe like fifty march in.
Speaker 4: All at the same time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and this was kind of the start of the
Speaker 3: main of the main protests.
Speaker 2: And I would say at that point there were maybe
Speaker 2: fifty protesters scattered around within the clumps of media, most
Speaker 2: of whom ran over and joined that group. So it
Speaker 2: was probably around one hundred or so, maybe as many
Speaker 2: as one hundred and fifty.
Speaker 3: And it probably grew to about like two hundred over
Speaker 3: the course of the next few hours, although they started
Speaker 3: to kind of bleed numbers as well. And I was
Speaker 3: I was taking notes on my little personal recorder during
Speaker 3: this time, and we put together a little kind of
Speaker 3: compilation to hear about what went down, and I'll probably
Speaker 3: cut in with some extra narration to kind of fill
Speaker 3: in the gaps, so to clarify the audio. You're about
Speaker 3: to hear was recorded over the course of like two
Speaker 3: and a half hours. We've cut this down for efficiency
Speaker 3: and clarity. So some of the sections you're about to hear,
Speaker 3: you know, may have happened a minute or two apart,
Speaker 3: but they're just being mushed together to kind of help
Speaker 3: the action move along a little bit faster, not including
Speaker 3: you know, the sections of the protest where there's ten
Speaker 3: minutes of nothing happening. Here's a first hand look at
Speaker 3: what happened during the protest at the Israeli Consulate back
Speaker 3: all right, it's just from the it's just past seven.
Speaker 3: The behind enemy lines Israeli Consulate protest basically just started.
Speaker 3: A whole bunch of people in some form of block
Speaker 3: showed up in front of the building, started marching up
Speaker 3: the street.
Speaker 4: Very quickly. A three or four.
Speaker 3: Or five layered line of Chicago PD came to block
Speaker 3: Clinton Street, so the march could not advance there now
Speaker 3: retreating back towards the building, and they might try to
Speaker 3: march the other direction. I'm going to be on the
Speaker 3: move here, trying to take notes as this progresses. A
Speaker 3: central tower is kind of a tricky spot for this
Speaker 3: sort of protest. Although it does house the Israeli Consulate.
Speaker 3: From the outside, there's no obvious indicators that this building
Speaker 3: is linked to the Israeli government, and it's about two
Speaker 3: miles away from the DNC, so this is gonna be
Speaker 3: very little impact on DNC attendees. All the way over
Speaker 3: here in the West Loop area of Chicago. Chicago, ped
Speaker 3: is set up across the other street as well, walking
Speaker 3: both ways in essentially kettling this entire protest. There's a
Speaker 3: loud speaker, people are talking in front of the building.
Speaker 2: The purple haired.
Speaker 3: Wig lady from before has moved her Nazi banner closer
Speaker 3: to this core of protesters right in front of the
Speaker 3: entrance of the building housing the Israeli Consulate. All right,
Speaker 3: some of the protesters just announced that they have a
Speaker 3: couple of speakers that are going to talk in.
Speaker 4: Front of the Israeli Constant building. As people are now.
Speaker 3: Sandwiched in between two streets right in front of the entrance.
Speaker 3: Speeches discussed the genocide in Gaza and the US arms
Speaker 3: Deeels sending weapons and bombs to Israel as part of
Speaker 3: continuing US imperialism. As the speech is carried on, more
Speaker 3: and more police began to arrive. All right, it is
Speaker 3: seven pm, About nine or so white vans just showed
Speaker 3: up with tons of chicaga pad and ryagear, helmets, gas masks,
Speaker 3: now thicker sleeves, not just the blue button ups that the.
Speaker 4: Regular cops wear.
Speaker 3: All right, we're gonna run into a line of police.
Speaker 3: People have banners, bring the war home, shut down the
Speaker 3: DNC for Gaza Palestine flags. As they are marching towards
Speaker 3: a massive line of riot cops. There's too much media
Speaker 3: in the way.
Speaker 4: And a clash has started. Pushing up against lines.
Speaker 3: Police pulling apart the signs and banners. Sounds familiar, I
Speaker 3: bet to anyone who was at twenty twenty. The first
Speaker 3: clash lasted about a minute, as protesters tried to march
Speaker 3: forwards into the street and police pushed them back. I
Speaker 3: was off to the side, but the sheer of mount
Speaker 3: of cameras and media in the middle of this scuffle
Speaker 3: prevented either side from gaining or losing much ground. All right,
Speaker 3: there was kind of a little bit of a back
Speaker 3: and forth. The protest line got pushed back slightly, but
Speaker 3: still in the middle of Clinton Street. Protesters telling the
Speaker 3: press to get out of the way as many press
Speaker 3: are in between. As press moved slowly out of the way,
Speaker 3: police were able to successfully push the protest.
Speaker 4: Back Chicago pedis I mean redirecting some of their push
Speaker 4: towards the south. Now looks like some of the protesters
Speaker 4: are trying to move onto.
Speaker 3: The sidewalk to get out of this massive, massive sandwich
Speaker 3: of police, and there's maybe three or four cops trying
Speaker 3: to prevent them from moving on the sidewalk. Here.
Speaker 4: We'll see if they get pasted.
Speaker 3: Police have tacklics and people. Police are going in for
Speaker 3: a lot of arrests. It's very combative. Police with batons
Speaker 3: out attacking people, hitt him on the ground, tackling them.
Speaker 3: Police preventing all forward's movement on the sidewalk as well,
Speaker 3: not just the street.
Speaker 4: People are people are trying to get out and police are.
Speaker 3: Police are really trying to trap them.
Speaker 4: Police are squashing. We can't we can't move dude, we
Speaker 4: can't move back.
Speaker 2: We can't, we can't move back.
Speaker 4: Police are telling people to move back into nothing. They
Speaker 4: have us trapped by this building.
Speaker 3: Eventually, police realize that they cannot push all fifty people
Speaker 3: into a flat wall and eased off, directing people back
Speaker 3: in front of the consulate. Police is pushing us into
Speaker 3: a very tiny corner. A small line of police is
Speaker 3: separating two crowds, mostly on the sidewalk.
Speaker 4: All right, they're pushing us back towards the building.
Speaker 3: Action now paused for a few minutes as both sides
Speaker 3: figured out their next move. Protesters chanted for the release
Speaker 3: of detained comrades.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 3: Some of the crowd is trying to regroup as police
Speaker 3: continue to push people off.
Speaker 4: Of the sidewalk and back into the street.
Speaker 3: I guess the crowd has kind of been split now
Speaker 3: into four sections, police keeping them separate, not letting them reconvene.
Speaker 3: The section from the building, there's a section on the corner,
Speaker 3: the section behind the police line, and there's a section
Speaker 3: close to where people tried to march that it has
Speaker 3: now been cut off from the rest of the crowd,
Speaker 3: So we have these kind of four groups. A smaller
Speaker 3: group is reforming in the street in front of the building.
Speaker 3: This is kind of the section that got trapped by
Speaker 3: the building as the rest of the march tried to
Speaker 3: move forward, and some of the people from the side
Speaker 3: have linked up with them as well, but still mostly
Speaker 3: kind of four sections separated up by police. People channing
Speaker 3: to get back in the street. We have little squads
Speaker 3: or AG's linking up with their mates again, linking arms,
Speaker 3: holding hands, kind of regrouping.
Speaker 4: Right now, Chicago p D is kind of doing the same.
Speaker 3: They're reforming their line, going back more into the middle
Speaker 3: of the street. If they did get any detainments or arrests,
Speaker 3: probably sorting those out right now as they decide what
Speaker 3: to do next. During this loll period, I was able
Speaker 3: to hear a decent amount of police comms chatter coming
Speaker 3: from their walkie talkies as the police decided on.
Speaker 4: Their next move.
Speaker 3: All right, I just heard on police comms that they're
Speaker 3: going to be asking for media to leave. Interesting, Yeah,
Speaker 3: they are calling for transport vands. So if they're gonna
Speaker 3: start doing arrests, they might try to get media to
Speaker 3: leave first then really move in. It sounds like to
Speaker 3: me on the comms they're calling out specific people to
Speaker 3: do targeted arrests. On the comms, they're calling out specific outfits,
Speaker 3: specific what people are wearing, what people are holding, to
Speaker 3: move in and do targeted arrests on the crowd. Some
Speaker 3: of the descriptions are very general like black hoodie, red hat,
Speaker 3: that kind of stuff. I really did not want to
Speaker 3: get a face full of mace, So as soon as
Speaker 3: I saw police carrying mace cans, I perhaps a bit
Speaker 3: prematurely decided to don my full face gas mask, which
Speaker 3: I then took off like ten minutes later as it
Speaker 3: became clear that we weren't in immediate danger of amazing, Well,
Speaker 3: I don't think I'm gonna see Barack Obama today. There's
Speaker 3: been enough of a cause that the anticipation keep from growing.
Speaker 3: Does everyone knows what's about to happen. We're just waiting
Speaker 3: for it to happen, all right.
Speaker 4: The fast time protesters that in front of the building
Speaker 4: are not moving towards the Israeli.
Speaker 3: Counter protesters on the other side. As things started to
Speaker 3: heap back up, some folks in the crowd opted to
Speaker 3: exit the area via a small EVAC route on the
Speaker 3: northwest corner of the street. Considering the talk of targeted
Speaker 3: arrests on the police scanner, police may have been eyeing
Speaker 3: up certain people in the crowd who then got the
Speaker 3: hint about what's about to go down next.
Speaker 2: You see that doesn't block just bounced?
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I think they could spot that they were
Speaker 3: about to get targeted for arrests. Be guys, they were
Speaker 3: being followed up by some of some of the sergeants
Speaker 3: because I honestly.
Speaker 2: I can't name any law breaking other than quote unquote shoving.
Speaker 5: With the path.
Speaker 4: Sure, but I mean, you know they can get you
Speaker 4: on some The.
Speaker 3: Protest did not stay still for too long, and a
Speaker 3: little less than hour since the last big confrontation, the
Speaker 3: crowd once again attempted to march. All right, it is
Speaker 3: nearly eight twenty. The crowd that remained in front of
Speaker 3: these early consolt building is now moving up again towards
Speaker 3: Clinton Street to re engage the confrontation that happened nearly
Speaker 3: an hour ago. Look, there's less cameras in between the
Speaker 3: two factions, but not no cameras. The crowd of protesters
Speaker 3: is still approaching, and they're turning.
Speaker 4: They're turning. They turned down Clinton Street.
Speaker 3: This is the movement they tried to make before, but
Speaker 3: police prevented them from doing so. And now they're so
Speaker 3: far able to exit. The section of the protest that
Speaker 3: was still facing down the riot line split up into
Speaker 3: two smaller groups and then made this same movement down
Speaker 3: the sidewalk away from the police. The people that were
Speaker 3: traveling down the sidewalk and Clinton have now reformed on
Speaker 3: Moreau Street and they are now marching. The police are
Speaker 3: now caught behind the protesters in the march, but sure
Speaker 3: enough police quickly arrive to contain the mobile protest. All right,
Speaker 3: bike cops have beat most of the crowd to the intersection,
Speaker 3: but they're still slowly arriving. The intersection up here is
Speaker 3: a T shape, so only two directions to go.
Speaker 4: Please are going to try to get them to take
Speaker 4: a right. It looks like.
Speaker 3: Yep, all right, more please catch it up. I'm gonna say.
Speaker 3: You can hear bike cops coming in from both sides. Well,
Speaker 3: this is quite the pickle. Unfortunately, because of the T
Speaker 3: shape of this intersection, this is now a little bit
Speaker 3: of a tighter pinch. They can still get out via
Speaker 3: one path on the side of but they might prefer
Speaker 3: a confrontation with some of these police.
Speaker 4: We'll see.
Speaker 3: The march paused at this T shaped intersection for a
Speaker 3: few minutes as they decided their next move. All right,
Speaker 3: the crowd is standing in front of this very thin
Speaker 3: lineup bike cops. The police not not very thick because
Speaker 3: they had to move kind of impromptu to adjust to
Speaker 3: the movements of the crowd. Small groups of the protests
Speaker 3: keep peeling off. They're slowly bleeding numbers, people chanting let
Speaker 3: us through as the police yelled to move back. Police
Speaker 3: have the remaining crowd in a pretty tight squeeze the moment.
Speaker 4: Smaller groups keep.
Speaker 3: Peeling off, but now the remaining march is moving forward
Speaker 3: as the bike cops slowly back up. Looks like most
Speaker 3: of the crowd has been moving onto the sidewalk to
Speaker 3: move down the street.
Speaker 4: They don't really have many more move to make.
Speaker 3: There's just a saturation of police in this area that
Speaker 3: the cops can adapt to any movement this shrinking crowd makes.
Speaker 4: Police are piling into the sidewalk. Police are making arrests.
Speaker 3: Police are doing targeted arrests. They're grabbing people on the sidewalk.
Speaker 3: Farm numbers of arrests are being made. There's at least
Speaker 3: at least five from where I'm standing. Police ordering media
Speaker 3: out of the way. The protesters are now moving back
Speaker 3: on the sidewalk, backtracking.
Speaker 4: Away from the police.
Speaker 3: The remaining crowd attempted to move away from the police
Speaker 3: who were making arrests on the sidewalk, but the only
Speaker 3: way left to move was back where they just came from.
Speaker 4: People are linking up with their AG's.
Speaker 3: Arm in arm, trying to move through this very, very
Speaker 3: tricky environment.
Speaker 4: Right now. There's so everywhere we go, I see.
Speaker 3: A new battalion of cops. People really just have nowhere
Speaker 3: to go. There's just police everywhere. We're just at this
Speaker 3: point moving in circles, but not like the regular march circles,
Speaker 3: just on the sidewalk, going back and forth, backtracking, looping around.
Speaker 4: They're trying to find somewhere just to get out of
Speaker 4: this area.
Speaker 3: Mostly out of options on where to go, the protest
Speaker 3: entered a small patio terrace on the corner of the street.
Speaker 3: Protesters are now getting into the terrace of this building
Speaker 3: at five point twenty five West Monroe. That's probably not
Speaker 3: going to end great at this point. Police have the
Speaker 3: remaining much smaller crowd maybe fifty, squeezed in in this
Speaker 3: little building terrace corner. They are not letting any protesters leave.
Speaker 3: A shoving match just started. Police are moving in and
Speaker 3: they're tackling, pushing people on the ground. It's almost nine pm.
Speaker 3: Police have one arrest now They just drag someone out
Speaker 3: by their hair from the crowd that is currently just
Speaker 3: completely kettled. For the first time tonight, they're providing no
Speaker 3: evacuation ruts for protesters. They are trapped on this street corner,
Speaker 3: completely surrounded, not letting anyone leave. Eventually, a small hole
Speaker 3: opened up, letting a few protesters leave this kettled patio.
Speaker 3: Robert was able to exit with this group, but many
Speaker 3: people were not able to make it through, and this
Speaker 3: little patio was where a number of arrests were able
Speaker 3: to take place as others slowly dispersed throughout the West
Speaker 3: Loop neighborhood of Chicago. According to NBC, the police superintendent
Speaker 3: Larry Sneeling, which is kind of a great name for
Speaker 3: a cop, praised his officers for quote unquote showing restraint
Speaker 3: when no one else did, saying that they quote did
Speaker 3: an excellent job responding to violence and vandalism. He made
Speaker 3: a similar comment on Wednesday, saying that the protest quote
Speaker 3: showed up with the intention of committing acts of violence
Speaker 3: and vandalism unquote. Now, there was no vandalism that was
Speaker 3: actually committed during this protest. That did not happen. I'm
Speaker 3: not sure how the superintendent was able to infer the
Speaker 3: intention of this protest exactly as no vandalism took place
Speaker 3: and the only violence that happened was when police started
Speaker 3: pushing people who were trying to march forwards in the street.
Speaker 2: Wow, Garrison, that was a gripping story that we're going
Speaker 2: to talk about.
Speaker 3: After these services, services, products, okay, products and services.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well maybe we can't know. It's impossible to say
Speaker 2: we're back, so I don't know. I guess we should
Speaker 2: probably just kind of give some final thoughts on how
Speaker 2: we felt about this protest. My overwhelming impression, and I
Speaker 2: really am not saying this to try to be mean,
Speaker 2: is that the crowd came with a lot of rhetoric
Speaker 2: about this is the protest that matters, We are going
Speaker 2: to shut down the DNC, we are going to throw
Speaker 2: our bodies upon the machinery of empire. And then after
Speaker 2: the first couple of hand to hand clashes with the police,
Speaker 2: which were mostly just kind of shoving, people just wanted
Speaker 2: to get home, they wanted to leave, and most of
Speaker 2: the night was us following people attempting to get home
Speaker 2: and disperse and not being allowed to buy the police
Speaker 2: every time they would like do a big push in
Speaker 2: where they're all shouting move in unison. They're telling you
Speaker 2: to go back, They're telling you to do this or
Speaker 2: you'll get arrested. And there's always you're always surrounded on
Speaker 2: every side by cops and you know, sometimes by gaggles
Speaker 2: of media. But like it was impossible to comply. I
Speaker 2: can't say that I saw any law breaking really, aside
Speaker 2: from assuming the cops called an unlawful assembly, which I
Speaker 2: did not hear. I don't know how you would have
Speaker 2: heard in most of the product protests, but assuming they did,
Speaker 2: as that's the law breaker.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was no like property damage, there was no
Speaker 3: there was no no real light activity. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: people people tried to march and police prevented them with
Speaker 3: their bodies. Yep, and you know there's a confrontation that ensues,
Speaker 3: like at that point where where the two groups meet.
Speaker 3: But besides that, it was it was it was people
Speaker 3: trying to march and the cops that prevented them from
Speaker 3: doing so.
Speaker 2: And it was a lot. I got stuck at one
Speaker 2: point with a group of twenty or so people, a
Speaker 2: handful of protesters, couple of media, and then maybe a
Speaker 2: dozen or more like I think they were locals. I
Speaker 2: guess it's possible they were tourists, but people who had
Speaker 2: just seen the march going down the street and thought
Speaker 2: that they might follow along and watch for a little
Speaker 2: And then the cops moved in so fast. We all
Speaker 2: got walled off in the courtyard of a hotel that
Speaker 2: didn't actually have street access, but it wasn't clear that
Speaker 2: it didn't, and the police repeated said they were going
Speaker 2: to arrest all of us. I had like a discussion
Speaker 2: with one about my credentials because he was like, those
Speaker 2: are press credential. Eventually they got a cop who could read,
Speaker 2: but another journalists got arrested. I think there were at
Speaker 2: least four arrested.
Speaker 4: E mean, at least four journalists were arrest at least.
Speaker 2: Four journalists were arrested. Yeah, because after I got out,
Speaker 2: they let most of the people in our kettle out,
Speaker 2: but they pulled one guy with a helmet that said
Speaker 2: press on it out of the kettle. I think his
Speaker 2: name was Josh Pacheco. I believe it was Josh that
Speaker 2: I was filming. Josh was definitely arrested, and he is
Speaker 2: going to be raising money because his camera was broken.
Speaker 2: They tossed his linen like cameras lens first onto the ground.
Speaker 2: It did significant damage. If you want to find Josh's
Speaker 2: info online at jp Underscore OTG you can find his information.
Speaker 2: I'm sure he'll be doing a fundraiser at some point.
Speaker 3: And obviously there were many more protesters arrested. The actual
Speaker 3: final number is kind of up in the air. Police
Speaker 3: that are saying that twenty two people at least were
Speaker 3: arrested and is saying it's closer to admit.
Speaker 2: Being the National Lawyer's Guild, they show up at protests
Speaker 2: to protect people's rights, primarily in the event of arrest.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so there's kind of some confusion here on how
Speaker 3: many people were actually arrested. I'll try to get confirmations
Speaker 3: and i'll add that in later tonight. I'll also look
Speaker 3: for a bail fund, yeah, to donate as well, because
Speaker 3: it is always unfortunate when journalists are arrested, but yeah,
Speaker 3: it's equally as unfortunate when people who are protesting, especially
Speaker 3: for a cause like this, get arrested as well. Like
Speaker 3: this is I think something that it's worth stating.
Speaker 2: Especially since again I can't say anything anyone did to
Speaker 2: precipitate arrest. It's not even like they were closing down streets,
Speaker 2: because the police had closed down every street they were
Speaker 2: on before they showed up. I think the police very
Speaker 2: clearly were under orders to keep things peaceful as long
Speaker 2: as possible, largely because they didn't want the DNC and
Speaker 2: the city government didn't want the embarrassment of anything really ugly.
Speaker 2: So there were no weapons used. There's no mace used.
Speaker 2: I didn't even really see the sticks used much.
Speaker 4: They were mostly used like push.
Speaker 3: There was very little in terms of like like like
Speaker 3: overhand hitting.
Speaker 2: But they didn't need any of that stuff because there
Speaker 2: was no point at which they had less than a
Speaker 2: two to one numerical advantage, usually more like three or four.
Speaker 3: And the people that were organizing this protest in the
Speaker 3: in the days prior were like announcing part of their
Speaker 3: intention was to specifically get beat up by police and
Speaker 3: like beat up badly and have this like generate news coverage,
Speaker 3: have this you know, this slight Stare organization as well, Yeah,
Speaker 3: invoking Chicago nineteen sixty eight, and police largely like denied
Speaker 3: them that option. And you know, many of the participants
Speaker 3: also opteds to to not continue, you know, in an
Speaker 3: hour's long physical confrontation with police and instead opted to
Speaker 3: try to move around them, try to evade them, instead
Speaker 3: of trying to you know, push through police lines. You know,
Speaker 3: there was a few points where the police lines that
Speaker 3: were blocking the street was very sin after people started
Speaker 3: to move move around the this kind of area, around
Speaker 3: around the consulate building, and then you know, other times
Speaker 3: the police lines were very thick, but consistently people opted
Speaker 3: to not continue a long physical engagement with police.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a discretion is the better part of
Speaker 2: valor kind of night, and I think that's the point
Speaker 2: at which the police decided we are going to arrest people.
Speaker 2: There was a degree to which it felt like they
Speaker 2: were just kind of like trying out tactics. A lot
Speaker 2: of what they were doing was splitting up the crowd
Speaker 2: then doing targeted arrests and kind of separating, calving off
Speaker 2: chunks of it. I don't know. The whole thing I
Speaker 2: kind of couldn't stop myself from being drawn back to
Speaker 2: the whole time is like, what is the actual utility
Speaker 2: of this really? Because it didn't get attention, not much.
Speaker 2: You know, there's some news coverage and stuff, but it's
Speaker 2: not a Chicago sixty eight moment. I don't think this
Speaker 2: is going to move any needle for anybody, and obviously
Speaker 2: that's the goal, right, is to have some kind of
Speaker 2: an impact. I mean everyone was saying, like the stated
Speaker 2: goal at all of these protests shut down the DNC,
Speaker 2: and the only time that kind of happened was at
Speaker 2: the less radical protest police protests yesterday, right, and largely
Speaker 2: kind of by accident. I don't know like that. I'm
Speaker 2: not trying to be like down on anyone. It just
Speaker 2: is one of those what when you're seeing the sheer
Speaker 2: weight of police and the numbers of protesters being generated
Speaker 2: is one hundred or two hundred, it just feels like
Speaker 2: you're asking people to get fucked up and damage their
Speaker 2: lives in a situation in which that's unlikely to actually
Speaker 2: lead to any of the things they want to see.
Speaker 4: Hey, this is gare cutting in again.
Speaker 3: The exact number of arrests is still a little bit unclear,
Speaker 3: but we have a clearer idea than what we did
Speaker 3: a few hours ago. The official number as of Wednesday
Speaker 3: evening is that fifty six people were arrested. I'm going
Speaker 3: to quote from the AP quote thirty of the people
Speaker 3: detained by police were issued citations for disorderly conduct. According
Speaker 3: to Chicago Police, one person was arrested on a felony
Speaker 3: charge of resisting police, while nine were charged with misdemeanors
Speaker 3: including disorderly conduct, resisting officers, battery, assault, and criminal damage
Speaker 3: to property. Police said, unquote for the record, neither myself
Speaker 3: nor Robert witnessed any criminal damage to property.
Speaker 2: I guess to kind of conclude a protest that's going
Speaker 2: to actually like move the Needler change. Anything has to
Speaker 2: overwhelm like the capacity of the state system to deal
Speaker 2: with it. It has to be something that the state
Speaker 2: is not. We saw this in twenty twenty right like
Speaker 2: just over I'm just talking about Portland, just like overall,
Speaker 2: the George Floyd up rising was beyond what the state
Speaker 2: was prepared to handle for at least a sizeable chunk,
Speaker 2: especially of the early days. It like overwhelmed the capacity
Speaker 2: of the resources the state had to respond adequately. The state,
Speaker 2: at least everything I've seen so far at the DNC
Speaker 2: has been perfectly prepared for everything that people brought to bear.
Speaker 2: And that's really the summary I've gotten.
Speaker 3: We're going to go on a quick break and then
Speaker 3: be back to hear from Sovie about the Obama festival
Speaker 3: inside the Democratic National Convention. All right, we are back
Speaker 3: and as as this protest was happening in this area
Speaker 3: around like I think it's called the West Loop, Sophie
Speaker 3: was inside the d n C and there was also
Speaker 3: people similar to the first day of the DNC who
Speaker 3: who snuck in like banners into the DNC and unfurled
Speaker 3: them like pro Palestine disarming as royal banners. I believe
Speaker 3: the banner from last night just read free Palestine and Sophie.
Speaker 3: What was it like in there exactly? Was it easier
Speaker 3: to get into than the than the day previous.
Speaker 1: Well, it was more, it was it was it was
Speaker 1: is what I'll say. It wasn't as organized as the
Speaker 1: R and C, but it was. It was better than
Speaker 1: the day prior. That's a win is a win at
Speaker 1: this point. But yeah, the energy was electric, as once
Speaker 1: I heard multiple people say throughout the night in the
Speaker 1: unass press area that I was in.
Speaker 3: It felt like, at least from watching online afterwards, it
Speaker 3: gave really big, like two thousand and eight energy.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And obviously you know, Michelle Obama Barack Obama are
Speaker 3: both speaking, so that that kind of carries with it
Speaker 3: a little bit, but even just like the general vibe
Speaker 3: just felt it felt very two thousand and eight, like
Speaker 3: that style of like two thousand and eight optimism.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I would agree with that. I've been asked
Speaker 1: a lot like what the energy is compared to the
Speaker 1: rn C, and like the RNC was more like a
Speaker 1: WWE event and this was more like a you know,
Speaker 1: B level pop star concert, sure where everyone was very
Speaker 1: excited to be there, where I only knew a couple
Speaker 1: of the songs.
Speaker 4: Sure was.
Speaker 1: That was the general vibe. But the main speed section
Speaker 1: of the event started off with Center Majority leader Chuck Schumer.
Speaker 4: And I watched his speech. It was not very good.
Speaker 1: He came out and and was what some would describe
Speaker 1: as dancing on stage.
Speaker 4: He was quesetable. His speech was very like robotic. Yeah
Speaker 4: it was. He was not good.
Speaker 2: Well, he's the head of the dim Crypto Caucus, so
Speaker 2: like he's part robot.
Speaker 1: But it was like people were not super into him.
Speaker 1: He was whatever. But then Bertie Sanders came up and
Speaker 1: I was actually surprised at the crowd was as into
Speaker 1: him as they.
Speaker 4: Were, but not super into No, no, no, oh.
Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong with nothing like nothing like the
Speaker 1: Obama's later and then.
Speaker 4: Nothing even like AOC. It seems no, they.
Speaker 1: Definitely loved AOC a lot more than Bernie. I enjoyed
Speaker 1: his speech.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he gave like one of the more like economically
Speaker 3: sound speeches talking about actual issues facing working people.
Speaker 1: Correct. I would say, you know, a lot of the
Speaker 1: other journalists around me were talking during that time. They
Speaker 1: were not thoroughly paying attention to him, which was interesting
Speaker 1: to know.
Speaker 3: It was the same speech that he's been giving since
Speaker 3: twenty sixteen. Essentially, I feel like, fortunately, the economic situation
Speaker 3: in the States has not changed all that much.
Speaker 1: I feel like Bertie Sands has been giving the stay
Speaker 1: of speech his entire career.
Speaker 3: Sure, Yeah, and like the same stuff he was calling
Speaker 3: for back then, with the with the one percent and
Speaker 3: the billionaire class and healthcare and all these things that
Speaker 3: are still real issues, and in some ways I feel
Speaker 3: like they were more talked about back in like, you know,
Speaker 3: twenty seventeen, and the fact that they aren't just talked
Speaker 3: about now is maybe, you know, to some degree, like
Speaker 3: a failing. But no, he gave the speech that he
Speaker 3: was expected to make, and yeah.
Speaker 1: He called for an end to his words horrific war
Speaker 1: in Gaza and called for a ceasefire. One of the
Speaker 1: few this entire week that we've heard actually say that.
Speaker 1: AFC said it yesterday.
Speaker 3: Well, and an AOC's specific line was crediting Harris for
Speaker 3: working around the clock to make a ceasfire deal was
Speaker 3: specifically like the phrasing that AOC used.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't buy that, super well.
Speaker 4: No, well, I'm not afraid to admit is that.
Speaker 3: Because I was at the protest, I had the intention
Speaker 3: of just watching all the speeches in my hotel afterwards,
Speaker 3: and I got up to my room, I turned on CNN.
Speaker 3: They were replaying the whole night, and after Bernie's speech,
Speaker 3: I completely fell asleep. And then and then I woke
Speaker 3: up at eight am. CN was still on my television.
Speaker 4: That is so cursed. I turned it off and I
Speaker 4: went back to Staarson.
Speaker 2: You had some nightmares on spooling.
Speaker 3: I don't know what was being subjected to my sleeping body.
Speaker 2: You're never recovering from this.
Speaker 1: After Bertie, you know, i'd say, the only other person
Speaker 1: until we get to the second gentleman, Doug m Hoff
Speaker 1: and then the Obama's later that I was, you know,
Speaker 1: the governor of Illinois, Pritzker.
Speaker 2: Pritzker.
Speaker 1: He he just was very very well received, obviously by
Speaker 1: by the crowd, as we are.
Speaker 4: One of the democrats favorite and one of their favorite boys.
Speaker 2: Early on, a favorite for the VP slot. Yeah, he's very.
Speaker 1: Good at attacking Trump and his speeches. He said Trump
Speaker 1: is only rich in one thing, stupidity, and the crowd
Speaker 1: went fair.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was definitely the most like a mean out
Speaker 3: of many of the speech gis.
Speaker 2: I would say though, like last night was the roasting nights.
Speaker 1: Last night was the roasting Okay, for sure they did.
Speaker 2: Bamba made a dick joke.
Speaker 1: Obama made a dick John. We'll get to We'll get
Speaker 1: to that. But yeah, so just like visually, they have
Speaker 1: like those light up things that you have at concerts.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know I do.
Speaker 1: Before I get into taking this back into time to
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, talk a little bit about the
Speaker 1: role call sure.
Speaker 3: Sure, And this is where they formerly like ceremonially nominate
Speaker 3: Harris and Walls to be the president and vice presidential nominees.
Speaker 1: Correct, And let's just say it was a little bit
Speaker 1: different than the RNC. At the RNC, you have speaker
Speaker 1: Johnson just telling the delegates that we need to keep
Speaker 1: order and there's a proper way to do things. And
Speaker 1: then you had people from each state come up and
Speaker 1: make speeches like this.
Speaker 5: Fighting for liberty since sixteen seventy where the revolutionary and
Speaker 5: all was one. We're in twenty sixteen. Donald Trump won
Speaker 5: his first primary victory ever. Let's ring in the Trump
Speaker 5: Carol of American histories, the great State of South Carolina,
Speaker 5: Crown cares all fifty of its fops.
Speaker 2: Okay, come on.
Speaker 1: And on the flip side at the DNC, and I
Speaker 1: had several friends that were watching on TV say it
Speaker 1: was translating very well on TV.
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 1: It was a little bit more chaotic in person, and
Speaker 1: certain states didn't match the same energy. But each state
Speaker 1: had had a song. There was a whole playlist thing
Speaker 1: and that is now going around and the energy was
Speaker 1: of a I would say Teen Choice Awards is brand.
Speaker 1: It was a Teen Choice Awards vibe with Garrison. The
Speaker 1: state of Georgia doing this.
Speaker 3: Wow, So that's very cool, Sophie.
Speaker 1: I will say the state of Oregon did not.
Speaker 4: Well, No, that's because organ is allergic to fun.
Speaker 1: Oregan in Wisconsin. Boy, howdy, did they not bring the
Speaker 1: good vibes.
Speaker 3: Well, that's because all you can do in Wisconsin is drink,
Speaker 3: and all in organ you can do is smoke weed.
Speaker 4: So there you go.
Speaker 1: After the roll call, they cut to VP Harris and
Speaker 1: Governor Tim Walls streaming live from Milwaukee.
Speaker 3: The Pfizer Forum, where we all suffered through last month.
Speaker 1: Yes, that was where the RNC was held last month,
Speaker 1: to be like, look at us, Donald.
Speaker 4: We're able to fill both venues at the same time.
Speaker 1: We are so hip and cool and of course the
Speaker 1: crowd lost their minds.
Speaker 4: Ate it up.
Speaker 1: They love they love so.
Speaker 2: Pretty good. Burn it's it's.
Speaker 3: It's not a bad is this was You're getting kind
Speaker 3: of a glimpse. Ever since, like the Republicans are weird stuff,
Speaker 3: they've been realizing that it's actually really useful to be
Speaker 3: kind of mean in politics. Yeah, for so long this
Speaker 3: party has been like linked to when they go low,
Speaker 3: we go high. You know, we're gonna we're gonna make
Speaker 3: a compromise, We're gonna gona We're going to reach across
Speaker 3: the aisle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean last night it was not they go low,
Speaker 1: we go high. It was definitely they go low, we
Speaker 1: also go low, and you know that was interesting to
Speaker 1: observe because the crowd loved it.
Speaker 4: It plays very well.
Speaker 1: It plays very well. Before the Obamas, we got a
Speaker 1: speech from the second Gentleman, which is very fun to say,
Speaker 1: Kabla Harris's husband, Doug. Doug, I like that.
Speaker 4: Let's let's keep trying that again.
Speaker 2: You can't.
Speaker 1: But they introed him with a video from his son
Speaker 1: and it was very TV movie of the Week, heartwarming.
Speaker 1: And then he came out on stage and introduced his
Speaker 1: dad and there was hugging La La Lah and the
Speaker 1: crowd was allowed, as it did Ben that night, and
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, I love families, but I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: the crowd is so loud. And then like ten minutes later,
Speaker 1: Michelle Obama came out and I was like, the crowd
Speaker 1: was very quiet for Doug and Poff. In comparison, she
Speaker 1: is by far the most popular Democrat in the world.
Speaker 2: There is an Obama derangement syndrome. It ignites something in
Speaker 2: millennials and.
Speaker 4: Makes them really love the Obama.
Speaker 2: They really love their mamas, lose their minds.
Speaker 1: Doug's speech primarily focused on painting a picture of his
Speaker 1: wife as a family, family woman, and talking about how
Speaker 1: great she is with their with their kids. He has
Speaker 1: two kids from his first marriage and they call her
Speaker 1: Mama La.
Speaker 2: But she's not a real mom, you know, Robert Roberts. Look,
Speaker 2: I've been listening to a lot of Matt. This is
Speaker 2: a real scandal. They're not her born children. You know,
Speaker 2: you can't adopt kids.
Speaker 3: You gotta stop listening to Matt Walsh podcasts when you're
Speaker 3: doing your workout.
Speaker 2: I do love that the right has entirely chosen the
Speaker 2: line of attack on Kamala to be that like.
Speaker 4: She's a fake mom.
Speaker 2: She's a fake mom. She raised Pamala.
Speaker 4: No, because we're quoting Matt Wall.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, that's how he says.
Speaker 1: That's absolutely by the way, Matt Walsh was like in
Speaker 1: a disguise.
Speaker 2: Also, they're all in disguise walking around the.
Speaker 1: DNC doing something that doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: See that Matt Wall showed up in his like what
Speaker 3: is a woman liberal disguise with the with the little
Speaker 3: pony tails, Dude, Harry, I showed up.
Speaker 4: I showed up kind of it.
Speaker 3: Well, my disguise just being a regular black suit, which
Speaker 3: I also wear regularly all the time. I'm pretty sure
Speaker 3: whals she was trying to get some extra clips for
Speaker 3: his new like how racism Isn't real documentary that they're
Speaker 3: playing ads for in theaters in front of like queer
Speaker 3: and trans movies, like specifically to like fuck with people.
Speaker 3: So I'm pretty sure they're they're here collecting some kind
Speaker 3: of some kind of some kind of foot for that
Speaker 3: because he had a little love mic attached to his
Speaker 3: attached to his lapel, so he's doing some kind of hijinks.
Speaker 2: But Yeah, it's interesting to me how much of the
Speaker 2: attacks on Kamala right now are focused on her family
Speaker 2: not being a real family. It strikes me as kind
Speaker 2: of a sign of desperation because I'm not saying it
Speaker 2: get any traction. It's the same as like the tim
Speaker 2: Wall stuff, where it's like nothing sticking that they're trying
Speaker 2: right now, And I think they've just gotten so far
Speaker 2: into their own fever swamps that they have completely forgotten
Speaker 2: how to connect with a hit, which is an interesting
Speaker 2: place for the Republicans to be because that's all they have.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Duck, read the teleprompter. It's fun being able to
Speaker 1: see the teleprompter because you can see where they have
Speaker 1: bolded words or underlied words or capitalized words, and any
Speaker 1: bold or capitalized word. He really went for it, and
Speaker 1: I personally thought that was funny to observe. But the
Speaker 1: crab liked him, and I was like, wow, they really
Speaker 1: like Doug m Hoff. Wow. And then I was like, no,
Speaker 1: that's not who they actually like, because then Michelle Obama
Speaker 1: came out and the crowd standing ovations. I can't even
Speaker 1: tell you it was louder than like I've seen Beyonce concert,
Speaker 1: same exact amount of loudness, but yeah, it was just
Speaker 1: very two thousand and eight, very twenty twelve. Her speech
Speaker 1: was incredible.
Speaker 4: What did she actually talk about?
Speaker 1: Nothing, but it was incredible, is what I'm saying. She
Speaker 1: just basically talked about how important it is to do
Speaker 1: things without saying anything. She was able to resonate with
Speaker 1: every single person in the crowd. Every single person in
Speaker 1: the crowd was just enamored.
Speaker 2: What it's been so many bad months in a row
Speaker 2: of news and just getting constantly beat down in every
Speaker 2: news cycle and war and genocide overseas, and a lot
Speaker 2: of people. As soon as Biden stepped down, it was
Speaker 2: like a rubber band breaking and everyone just went from
Speaker 2: what this was host did not happen as a convention.
Speaker 2: They were serious efforts by the DNC when Biden was
Speaker 2: still a candidate to like, we don't even need to
Speaker 2: do a real convention because like, what is the benefit
Speaker 2: of sticking him in front of people for longer? And
Speaker 2: they broke a pinata full of party energy and that's
Speaker 2: that's what this has all been inside and honestly not
Speaker 2: a lot of energy outside in the streets, you know,
Speaker 2: energy from the people who were there. But like, I
Speaker 2: think there would have been much larger crowds if Biden
Speaker 2: had stayed.
Speaker 1: I one hundred percent agree with you. You know, Michelle
Speaker 1: Obama brought back, you know, one of the key things
Speaker 1: from two thousand and eight, Hope. She said, Hope is
Speaker 1: making it come back, and the crowd lost it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think that's really part of what made last night
Speaker 3: have so much of that two thousand and eight energy
Speaker 3: beyond you know, like all of like all of like
Speaker 3: the pop songs beyond like the Obamas. It's like this
Speaker 3: this messaging of like there's actually there's actually like a
Speaker 3: good future to look towards, like hope, you know, that's.
Speaker 1: As long as we defeat Donald Trump. Sure, Hope is
Speaker 1: available was the mean theme of the night, and then
Speaker 1: she introduced President Obama. He came out, hammed it up,
Speaker 1: told his little jokes. He was so excited. You could
Speaker 1: tell he was like so excited to be able to
Speaker 1: tell his material to that larger crowd. He was like
Speaker 1: very excited to be up there. We got yes we
Speaker 1: can chance, then later yes she can chance. At one
Speaker 1: point the crowd started chanting thank you Joe, as they
Speaker 1: do when Joe Biden was referenced, and he directly said
Speaker 1: that the torch has been passed. There we go, and
Speaker 1: that is generally the summary of the night. Lib Topia,
Speaker 1: as I'm calling the DNC was very excited.
Speaker 3: Yeah that sounds thrilling. It's really making me optimistic about
Speaker 3: the future.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I am more optimistic of the future
Speaker 2: than I was. But also what I do foresee from
Speaker 2: this is that we are heading into a future assuming
Speaker 2: the dims win, especially if they win by a sizable margin,
Speaker 2: where they get meaner to everyone. The thing they learned
Speaker 2: from Trump is you should call people names and be shit.
Speaker 2: And you know that'll get turned on the left because
Speaker 2: the left it already has, Yeah, as it already has.
Speaker 2: But also the left is going to continue not having
Speaker 2: much of an impact on the broader situation until people
Speaker 2: have any sort of ability to actually get folks out
Speaker 2: and have a clear understand like a clear plan for
Speaker 2: something to do that the system cannot easily easily contain
Speaker 2: and withstand right like little marches and demonstrations. Not only
Speaker 2: is the police prepared for them, but the Democratic Party,
Speaker 2: I think is increasingly prepared for how you isolate and
Speaker 2: sort of deflect attention from that sort of thing, like
Speaker 2: a lot of what we've seen on the floor at
Speaker 2: the DNC with the Yeah, we'll have Bernie come up
Speaker 2: and he'll talk about a ceasefire. We'll have AOC have
Speaker 2: or ceasefire like Joe, we'll say that the protesters have
Speaker 2: a point. You should listen to them now, not going
Speaker 2: to He's not going to draw any other attention if
Speaker 2: you were to like come down an attack or you know,
Speaker 2: the protesters for you know, whatever bad piece of messaging
Speaker 2: or something happened outside that actually does draw some attention,
Speaker 2: you know, Like the DIMS have not just been smart
Speaker 2: in what they've signaled, but in how they've made sure
Speaker 2: that that really hasn't become part of the story of
Speaker 2: the DNC and heading into this that was a huge
Speaker 2: fear a lot of people had, and a huge expectation
Speaker 2: a lot of people had. It was part of the
Speaker 2: planning that a lot of the protests that came in
Speaker 2: with that we are going to disrupt and damage this
Speaker 2: kind of coronation process in order to make it very
Speaker 2: clear that the Democratic Party has not made any meaningful
Speaker 2: movement on Gaza. And I think what we've seen here
Speaker 2: is the start of a replicable strategy that, unless there's
Speaker 2: an alteration in how people are organizing, is going to
Speaker 2: allow the DIMS to continue to sideline radical voices pushing
Speaker 2: for things that matter.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think one trend that we're going to
Speaker 3: see continuing, especially if someone like Kamala wins, I'm starting
Speaker 3: to see a growing kind of reclamation of liberal patriotism.
Speaker 1: Yes, there were USA signs last.
Speaker 3: Night and USA chance and I think this will be
Speaker 3: something I'll proably talk a little bit more tomorrow or
Speaker 3: the next day after, like Kamala's like big speech, and if.
Speaker 4: They do win, I think this.
Speaker 3: I think there actually is a decent bit of like
Speaker 3: two thousand and eight energy and like, yes, people are excited.
Speaker 3: There's the quote unquote vibe shift. But things didn't go
Speaker 3: great after Obama was elected. Famously, like everything just kind
Speaker 3: of yeah, like the hope was mostly unfounded, like a.
Speaker 1: Lot of war crimes.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of war crimes and just not that
Speaker 4: much good stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the the ACA mattered. There are some
Speaker 2: things that got better after it, but the whole fight
Speaker 2: to get there was so dispiriting, and I think that
Speaker 2: that kind of broke Obama the actual like interested in
Speaker 2: pushing radical change, and then the Republicans absolute lutely swept
Speaker 2: midterms to such a catastrophic extent, and I foresee Kamala
Speaker 2: getting stuck in the same thing that Obama did in
Speaker 2: terms of like it is actually very hard to make
Speaker 2: any substantive progress that helps people. I don't know that
Speaker 2: she's going to have to deal with a Republican party
Speaker 2: that is capable of doing what the Republicans did during
Speaker 2: like the Tea Party mini terms.
Speaker 3: That's just that's a very different Republican party. And then
Speaker 3: the one that exists now.
Speaker 2: The one that exists now has been lobotomized by Trump,
Speaker 2: and well, he's going if he's alive, he's going to
Speaker 2: run in twenty twenty eight. Yeah.
Speaker 3: But this, this kind of this growing reclamation of like patriotism.
Speaker 3: We've already seen it with how like you know, the
Speaker 3: NFL is gone woke. All these things that have kind
Speaker 3: of been more affiliated with like you know, conservatism or
Speaker 3: like you know, like traditional Americana is slowly getting swept
Speaker 3: up more with like the liberal majority, and you know,
Speaker 3: those types of things that have kind of been gate
Speaker 3: kept from liberals for a while, especially especially that kind
Speaker 3: of style of patriotism. And this isn't this isn't necessarily
Speaker 3: a good thing. That's not what I'm saying. I'm just
Speaker 3: saying that this is gonna be a trend that I
Speaker 3: think is going to be increasing, and it will also
Speaker 3: lead to, I think a bit more open hostility from
Speaker 3: liberals towards people that are more progressive, towards people more
Speaker 3: on the left, especially protesters, especially protesters who are not
Speaker 3: just doing protests that are big parades and marches. And
Speaker 3: we've already seen that here with a decent bit of
Speaker 3: conflict between you know, more radical attendees and the big
Speaker 3: coalitions with their safety teams. We were seeing a lot
Speaker 3: of fighting over you know, who is more justified, what's
Speaker 3: more valid what should you be allowed to do at
Speaker 3: a protest like this? And those debates are going to continue.
Speaker 3: I think we'll seeing more pressure on that front, even
Speaker 3: from liberals as well. And that's kind of the big
Speaker 3: the big trends that I'm seeing right now as we're
Speaker 3: about like halfway through the DNC.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'm going to finally go to the DNC tonight,
Speaker 2: so that'll be fun.
Speaker 1: I'll show you around.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can show me around.
Speaker 4: We're gonna meet Daddy Walls.
Speaker 2: I'll take my my anti PTSD meds, all overdose on
Speaker 2: those meds. You can take me to the hospital. Gonna
Speaker 2: be a nice night, Sophe.
Speaker 1: The good news is there's two more days of this.
Speaker 2: All right, as news i've heard in a while.
Speaker 4: I'm turning off this record.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go leap out of the window.
Speaker 3: Yeah all right, bye, bye bye.
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