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Speaker 1: Is it vies.

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Speaker 3: Mom, Dad, I'm okay. I had a few scrapes and stuff,

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Speaker 3: but they've washed them up and they're getting okay. And

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Speaker 3: I've caught a cold, but they're giving me pills for it,

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Speaker 3: and so I'm not being starved or beaten or unnecessarily frightened.

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Speaker 3: I've heard some press reports, and so I know that

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Speaker 3: Steve and all the neighbors are okay and that no

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Speaker 3: one was really hurt. I'm with a combat unit that's

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Speaker 3: armed with automatic weapons, and and I'm.

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Speaker 1: Oh, there's also a medical.

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Speaker 3: Team here, and I'm there's no way that I will

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Speaker 3: be released and let until they let me go. So

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Speaker 3: it wouldn't do any good for somebody to come in

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Speaker 3: here and try to get me out by force. These

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Speaker 3: people aren't just a bunch of nuts, and they've been

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Speaker 3: really honest with me, but they're perfectly willing to die

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Speaker 3: for what they're doing. And I wanna get out of here,

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Speaker 3: but I the only way I'm going to is if

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Speaker 3: we do it their way, And I just hope that

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Speaker 3: you'll do what they say, Dad, and just do it quickly.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I feel pretty sure that that I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: get out of here if everything goes the way they

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Speaker 3: wanted to. And I think you should feel that way too,

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Speaker 3: and and try not to worry so much. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I know it's hard, but I heard that Mom was

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Speaker 3: really upset and and that all everybody was at home,

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Speaker 3: know that I that I really but I really am

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Speaker 3: all right. I just hope I can get back to

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Speaker 3: everybody really soon.

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Speaker 4: And I'm Mary Katherine Garrison, and this is rip current.

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Speaker 5: Meetings. To the people and fellow comrade, brothers and sisters,

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Speaker 5: my name is sin Q, and to my comrades, I

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Speaker 4: Sin Episode six, Death to the Fascist insect that preys

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Speaker 4: upon the life of the people. At just after nine

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Speaker 4: pm on February fourth, nineteen seventy four, a woman and

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Speaker 4: two men, all armed, burst into an apartment in the

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Speaker 4: building near the University of California campus in Berkeley. The

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Speaker 4: intruders beat and tied up a man named Stephen Weed

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Speaker 4: what was causing the disturbance. The intruders then grabbed the

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Speaker 4: years old and a sophomore at Berkeley. They dragged her

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Speaker 6: We heard a scream, two or three shots. So three

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Speaker 6: try to look at the license, and they started shooting,

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Speaker 6: So I just fell on the ground.

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Speaker 6: They could seem to me they were just shooting, So

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Speaker 4: This abduction and the fate of the victim would soon

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Speaker 7: There's been a big kidnapping on the West Coast. The

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Speaker 7: victim is Patricia Hurst, the daughter of newspaper executive Randolph

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Speaker 4: Before February nineteen seventy four, most of America probably hadn't

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Speaker 1: William Randolph Hurst, who invented the Hearst publishing Empire, own

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Speaker 1: and I'm the author of American Heiress, The kidnapping, Crimes

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Speaker 1: and Trial of Patty Hurst. His life was the basis

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Speaker 1: There was a tremendous amount of attention, and there's no

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Speaker 4: called the Symbionese Liberation Army West Regional Adult Unit. It

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Speaker 4: claimed responsibility for kidnapping Patty. Here, Patty's father, Randolph Hurst,

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Speaker 8: The United Federated Forces of the Cydianese Liberation Army armed

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Speaker 8: Campbell Herds. All communications in this Court must be published

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Speaker 4: The SLA promised further communications to follow. The country wanted

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Speaker 4: to know what exactly was the Symbionese Liberation Army.

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Speaker 1: The area south of San Francisco what is now known

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Speaker 1: That whole region was home to a tremendous number of

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Speaker 1: Angels were there, the Black Panthers were but were started there,

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Speaker 4: While he became radicalized in prison, Defrize was not a

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Speaker 1: I'm Brian Burrow.

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Speaker 9: I'm an author of I think seven books, including Days

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Speaker 10: He managed to escape from Solidad in seventy three, thinking

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Speaker 10: that the texts that he'd read, whether Cleaver or Fan

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Speaker 10: or George Jackson, thinking that that's the way the world

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Speaker 1: He recruited a very small handful of adherents, and they

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Speaker 4: Some of Defries's recruits had either been a part of

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Speaker 4: It was run and mostly comprised of white radicals, but

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Speaker 4: a central belief of the group was that former black prisoners,

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Speaker 11: To survive is considered a badge when someone gets out

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Speaker 11: there is a charisma to that that draws people in.

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Speaker 4: This dynamic between black ex convicts and young, middle and

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Speaker 1: Donald the Friese was black, but everyone else in the

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Speaker 1: they were an eclectic group from around the country who

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Speaker 4: As a symbol, the SLA adopted the image of a

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Speaker 4: seven headed cobra. Each head represented an SLA value, self determination, unity,

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Speaker 4: cooperative production, and so on. They introduced themselves to the

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Speaker 12: The kidnapping of Patty Hurst brought the SLA national attention

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Speaker 12: for the first time, but people in the Bay Area

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Speaker 1: The bizarre and awful beginning of the SLA was the

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Speaker 13: in California, but in the whole country.

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Speaker 12: Foster, along with his deputy Robert Blackburn, were recruited from

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Speaker 1: Here.

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Speaker 14: I think that in everything we need to build the

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Speaker 14: where society shouts at them that this is too good

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Speaker 14: And you see that reflected in symbols of racism in

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Speaker 15: If I'm not mistaken, I believe he was the first

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Speaker 12: But Defreese developed conspiratorial beliefs about some of Foster's new

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Speaker 15: This is the extent of their political thinking, right, that

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Speaker 12: On November sixth, nineteen seventy three, after an uneventful school

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Speaker 12: Defree shot Blackburn twice with a shotgun, seriously wounding him

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Speaker 12: The police would later find that the bullets that killed

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Speaker 12: Foster were tipped with cyanide. They fled two blocks to

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Speaker 12: I D system, which they believed would allow information to

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Speaker 12: Internal Warfare Identification Computer System. If they thought this was

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Speaker 15: It gives you a sense of what Patty Hurst was

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Speaker 12: To it again. Author Brian Burrow.

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Speaker 1: I mean they.

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Speaker 10: Literally thought that they could overthrow the government and change

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Speaker 10: managed to kidnap Petty Hurst, and that changed everything, that

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Speaker 10: that it had actually done something that no radical group

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Speaker 10: in this case of kidnapping of a very wealthy person

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Speaker 10: that resurrected the entire underground radical movement. The SLA erupts

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Speaker 1: And it all happened right there in Berkeley.

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Speaker 12: The SLA had pulled off an action that drew intense

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Speaker 12: national attention. The question was, now that they had their hostage,

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Speaker 12: what would be their demands? The demands arrived on February twelfth,

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Speaker 12: All the SLA members took on new revolutionary names. We

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Speaker 12: don't need to go through them, ma, all but Defreese's

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Speaker 12: SLA name was sinqter to the leader of a revolt

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Speaker 12: on the Spanish slaveship Amistad in eighteen thirty nine.

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Speaker 5: Greetings to the people and fellow comrade, brothers and sisters.

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Speaker 5: My name is sin Q, and to my comrades, I

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Speaker 5: am known as sin. I am a black man and

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Speaker 5: General Phield Marshall in the United Federated Forces of the

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Speaker 5: the Symbonese War Counsul the Court of the People, to

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Speaker 5: the effect that I am ordered to convey the following

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Speaker 5: tape word of comfort and verification that Patricia Campbell Hurst

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Speaker 5: cooperative attitude of the Hearst family, and in so doing

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Speaker 16: And suffering they have aided and profited from. And this

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Speaker 16: a token gesture to the oppressed people that they aid

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Speaker 16: the corporate state in robbing and removing their rights to

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Speaker 16: freedom and liberty. This gesture is to be in the

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Speaker 16: form of food to the needy and the unemployed, and

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Speaker 16: to which the following instructions are directed to be followed

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Speaker 12: It ended in the way that all of the essla's

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Speaker 5: Of the fasciest insect that praised upon the life of

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Speaker 12: This audiotape included Patty Hurst explaining that she was as

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Speaker 12: yet unharmed in her understanding of the situation. You heard

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Speaker 12: demanded that Patty's father, Randolph Hurst, feed the poor in

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Speaker 12: the Bay area. The specifics were daunting. The token gesture

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Speaker 12: that Sinq mentions, in fact, is to provide seventy dollars

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Speaker 12: or Social Security or several other programs. Experts believe that

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Speaker 12: the costs would run to about three hundred million dollars.

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Speaker 12: This was far beyond Randolph Hurst's means. Again, author Jeffrey Tubin.

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Speaker 1: The Hurst family decided to try to meet the demand

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Speaker 12: Hurst contributed five hundred thousand dollars to the effort, and

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Speaker 12: the Hurst Foundation added another one point five million. This

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Speaker 12: called People in Need or PEN.

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Speaker 1: In fairness to the Hurst family, No, it was difficult

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Speaker 1: it had literally never been done before, especially under the

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Speaker 12: Of nuts to run this spur of the moment program.

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Speaker 12: Hirst brought a man named Ludlow Kramer down from Washington State,

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Speaker 12: previously run a successful private program called Neighbors in Need,

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Speaker 12: providing food and basic staples to unemployed aerospace workers in

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Speaker 12: This would be an entirely different challenge here. At a

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Speaker 7: We are asking today that any producer of any commodities

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Speaker 1: Accept that they did set up an operation in a

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Speaker 14: How are you.

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Speaker 12: Give me a one shot.

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Speaker 9: Of a black guy when you can't.

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Speaker 12: Here's Loudlow Kreamer at the PIN warehouse addressing the press

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Speaker 17: We hope to open those sites at approximately ten am

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Speaker 17: We believe that the type of food meets the demands

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Speaker 12: The first PIN food distribution was a disaster. Veteran San

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Speaker 18: The successful food distribution happened as a result of the

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Speaker 12: Four distribution sites had been designated around the Bay area.

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Speaker 12: At one of the sites in Oakland, the Shabbaz Bakery,

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Speaker 12: riot broke out. People climbed into the trucks and threw

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Speaker 18: Hey, man, I was.

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Speaker 9: Fucked up what they did.

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Speaker 14: Man doing the food out took They should have done that.

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Speaker 7: That was found.

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Speaker 11: I was upsetting and oh it was really foul.

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Speaker 12: When the trucks were empty, a crowd moved on Shabba's Bakery.

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Speaker 12: There was no more food to distribute, but they were

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Speaker 12: The Black Muslims who owned the bakery sent Pinnabill for

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Speaker 12: eight hundred and twenty cartons of eggs. Penn eventually wrote

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Speaker 12: though it wasn't clear that this food had actually been

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Speaker 12: given out. These are difficult days, Louvelo Kramer commented. The

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Speaker 12: PIN operation itself verged on spinning out of control. Different

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Speaker 12: suicide in Jonestown. Guyana volunteers also came from other radical

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Speaker 12: Times described visiting the PIN headquarters.

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Speaker 2: The dominant impression is of a paranoid security consciousness, a

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