1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. 3 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: We are hanging out in Salt Lake City for today 4 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:16,600 Speaker 1: and tomorrow on our tour of cities where we are 5 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:22,440 Speaker 1: number one in the country continuing. It is absolutely spectacular 6 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 1: out here. We appreciate all of you listening in Utah 7 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: and beyond, and we are going to have a good 8 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: time out here in Salt Lake City and also in 9 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: Park City through the weekend. Buck, I gotta tell you though, 10 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 1: you know that I am a huge gambler. I love 11 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: to gamble on sports. I love gambling markets in general, 12 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:46,520 Speaker 1: just the opportunity to kind of check and see where 13 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: the money is going, how things are lining up. And 14 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: legally you are not allowed to gamble on politics in 15 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: the United States, but England you can bet basically on 16 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: any race that is out there. And so I'm constantly 17 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 1: clicking refresh every day basically to follow Senate campaigns, to 18 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: follow house races, odds of who might be president in 19 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, because rather than just pay attention to 20 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: what people are saying and what The New York Times, 21 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 1: The Washington Post, and the Wall Street Journal might be writing, 22 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: or what they're saying on television. I'd like to see 23 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: where people are actually putting their money. And I want 24 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 1: to say this as we are coming up on the 25 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: end of August. The Senate is in dire straits right now. 26 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 1: I don't want to lie to anybody out there. We've 27 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 1: been saying there should be a red wave, but right 28 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:45,119 Speaker 1: now there is not going to be a red wave 29 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 1: in the Senate. In fact, it's possible Republicans could lose 30 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: three or four seats in the Senate, which would be devastating, 31 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: and even in the House. Right now, if you follow 32 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: the dollars and what people are gambling, Republicans are still 33 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: the favorite. But all the momentum and all of the 34 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: money is rolling in on Democrats. We are throwing a party. 35 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 1: We are throwing a party on election night in Nashville, 36 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 1: and we are excited to do that. But Buck, we 37 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: were texting with our boss, Julie Talbot about some of 38 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: the details on the party. I was thinking about it 39 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 1: on my flight, which of course is delayed like three 40 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: and a half hours because you can't fly anywhere in 41 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: the country right now to Salt Lake City and things 42 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: may not be going like we were hoping, and so 43 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: I was telling you off air here in the studio, 44 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: I think it's time for Republicans to stop saying, hey, 45 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,079 Speaker 1: we're just kind of getting out of the way. We're 46 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: gonna let Joe Biden kind of dig his own grave. 47 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: Being anti Democrat is not enough. You have to sell 48 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: what you're for, and I think it's time to start 49 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 1: selling who's making headlines right now on the Republican side, 50 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 1: who's coming forward and speaking about issues in a way 51 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: that resonates the GOP base, that sounds like there's an 52 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: alternate plan. Biden stinks at this while true, isn't inspiring, 53 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: and Biden's not on the ballot, which is what we 54 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: are seeing now. This is something we've been prepared for 55 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: for a while, even a lot of Democrats, even some 56 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: independence I'm sure we're going to say to themselves, Okay, 57 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 1: the administration and hasn't worked out like they said it would. 58 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 1: But I still like my guy or my gal in 59 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: my state, whether it's for a congressional race for a 60 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 1: Senate seat, and this is why they can't. I mean, 61 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 1: you know, you end up, just like with sports, right, 62 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: whoever has more points on the yeah screen at the 63 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: end wins. These are the obvious statements that we all 64 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: have to remind ourselves of candidates matter. The candidate obviously 65 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: matters a lot in Pennsylvania. I mean the crew to 66 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: tay Ad by doctor Oz was not confidence inspiring in 67 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: that moment. The candidate matters. In Georgia, herschel Walker has 68 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: got to get out there and make noise. And there 69 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: are other places we could we could point to. Is 70 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: I think there was an expectation among the Republican base, 71 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: and I don't know because we haven't really seen much 72 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: polling on this. This is just me reading the tea leaves. 73 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: They go after Trump, and a lot of Trump people 74 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 1: are very fired up right now. I'm fired up about it. 75 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: You are. We got Alan Dershowitz joining us later to 76 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 1: talk about this affidavit that may be unsealed. You've got 77 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 1: the CFO of the Trump organization pleaded guilty, is going 78 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: to prison. They're bringing that criminal They're bringing not just 79 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 1: bringing criminal charges. They got him on criminal charges. People 80 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 1: are saying he may flip. They're going after Rudy Giuliani. 81 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 1: There's this all out assault going on, using the legal 82 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 1: process as a weapon against everything and everyone Trump affiliated 83 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 1: and related and Clay Is it possible that some independence 84 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: are actually exhausted by this, not the true believers, not 85 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 1: the Trump voters of the past, but the people we 86 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 1: want to switch over now to deliver that red wave. 87 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: Are they just saying, look, I can't take it, I 88 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 1: can't handle more of this. I worry about this. I 89 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 1: think it's a very valid concern. And by the way, 90 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: I think it's a underlying strategic attempt by Democrats who 91 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: know that Biden has failed virtually everywhere, to turn the 92 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:22,799 Speaker 1: midterms into a referendum on Trump in some way which 93 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:25,919 Speaker 1: distracts from Democrat failure. And let me tell you, we 94 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 1: have been discussing in the Senate in particular that these 95 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:33,799 Speaker 1: races are going to be decided in Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Nevada, 96 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 1: and Wisconsin. Those are the five you could toss in 97 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 1: New Hampshire. Certainly, it's bad for the Republicans if North 98 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 1: Carolina and Ohio, for instance, end up being competitive, those 99 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 1: should be right now, safe seats in terms of Republicans. 100 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 1: But if you look at the odds market, and I'm 101 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 1: not talking about polls, right because I understand the apprehension, 102 00:05:55,960 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: reticence and discredit that many people have for les in general. 103 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 1: I like to see where people are putting their money. 104 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:10,599 Speaker 1: Right now, Democrats are favored to win in Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania, 105 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: and Nevada. The only of those five seats, our buddy 106 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: Ron Johnson is favored, And there was just a poll 107 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 1: that came out with him down seven. But of those five, 108 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: only one of those seats. Right now, if you were 109 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: a gambling person and you wanted to put money on 110 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 1: who's going to win all of the four that I 111 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: just mentioned Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania, and Nevada, Democrats favored. That 112 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:39,919 Speaker 1: ain't good, Buck, That is suggestive. If that happened, Democrats 113 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: would have a very solid base. They'd have a three 114 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: seat majority in the Senate. And you might be thinking, Okay, well, 115 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: why does this matter? Buck? We know that Democrats were 116 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: willing to push through nearly eight hundred billion dollars in 117 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: additional spending because they were worried about losing the House. 118 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: What would they spend? What would they do if they 119 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 1: control the Senate? And somehow they manage to pull a 120 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: rabbit out of their hat and control the House. I 121 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: think it's time to get really nervous, to get really focused, 122 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: and to recognize that simply focusing on Biden burning himself 123 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: and the Democrat House down is not going to be 124 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: enough to win, in particular in the Senate races, Buck, 125 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: where you know you have to sell yourself on all 126 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 1: of these individual marketplaces. Senates turn on personality oftentimes more 127 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: than Senate races, personality statewide more than politics, Clay, the 128 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: Republican candidates need to be hitting on the issues that 129 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: voters actually care about and directly tying it not just 130 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: to Biden, but to the Democrat Party and the Democrat 131 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: agenda which has led to so much of this. Why 132 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: have we seen the biggest surgeon crime and really every 133 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: major city was only a few exceptions of the country 134 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: Democrat backing of progressive prosecutors, of defund police, of ending 135 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: quote mass incarceration, and they're just soft on crime agenda. 136 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: That should be something that every candidate in every state 137 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: is tying any Democrat they're running against. Two Why is 138 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 1: the border? We're gonna talk to Tom Holman later on 139 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: in the show as well, former Director Acting Director of 140 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: Immigrations and Customs Enforcement super knowledgeable about the border, was 141 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: doing that for almost thirty years. He's gonna talk to us, 142 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: But how it's the worst it's ever been. You're gonna 143 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: have two million illegals officially coming into the country this year, 144 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,439 Speaker 1: and you're gonna have probably another half a million to 145 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: a million gotaways on top of that. These are unprecedented numbers. 146 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 1: What do people think that does to public expenditures? What 147 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: do the thing that does to emergency rooms to schools? 148 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 1: New York City and Washington, DC are complaining about it 149 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 1: right now, so we know what that actually means. And 150 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 1: then of course inflation, everything more expensive, people running up 151 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: household debt, and the Democrat response is to tax you 152 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: more and spend more money. GOP has got to go 153 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: on offense, has to make the case not only about 154 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:12,599 Speaker 1: the failures of the Democrat Party and the idea is 155 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: pushed by it, but also what would the GOP do? 156 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 1: What are they offering right now? Governor Rhnda Santis in 157 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: Florida goes on offense. Ye who lately can you point to? 158 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 1: And Trump is under siege legally right so he's just 159 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 1: trying to avoid the next you know, FBI raid he's 160 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:35,079 Speaker 1: not in office right now, who at the GOP national 161 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 1: level is making a case that's resonating. I'm not saying 162 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: nobody is. People are yelling at me. You know, well, 163 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: jd Vance is doing a great job, and Blake Masters 164 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 1: is doing a great job, and there are lots of people. 165 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 1: But it has to be you know, it has to 166 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: be overwhelming, It has to be nationed. Why people have 167 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: to be hearing these voices. We're gonna try to bring 168 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: as many to them as possible to all of you 169 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 1: on this show. But Clay, there's been an obvious momentum 170 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 1: shift and it happened turned on a dime, and that's 171 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 1: what you're seeing in the betting markets, and that's what 172 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: everybody's feeling. The good news, though, because I don't want 173 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: us to despair, is that there's still time to turn 174 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: this thing. There is, and I just think people will 175 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: need to recognize. Look, we're gonna be honest with you. 176 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: There are some people out there who are just going 177 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 1: to cheerlead and their cheerlead, and they'll take you right 178 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: over the waterfall into oblivion and you will have no 179 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: idea it's coming. I'm saying, look at what the trend 180 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: lines are recognize that you need to be aggressive positive 181 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 1: signed Buck, because you said you wanted a positive here. 182 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: The people that are running red states, Ronda Santis, Brian 183 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:43,679 Speaker 1: Kemp and Greg Abbott in big battleground states of Florida, 184 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 1: of Georgia, and of Texas. All three of those governors 185 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 1: are looking like they are going to win very very comfortably, 186 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: even though they are certainly going to be massive attacks 187 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: levied against all three. Why look at what Greg Abbott did. 188 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: He went to with the border issue and has one 189 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: on that issue. Ron De Santis has been comfortable stepping 190 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: into the ring and throwing punches constantly. Governor Brian Kemp, 191 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: I think he's done a phenomenal job as the governor 192 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:17,319 Speaker 1: of Georgia. He deserves a second term. These guys are 193 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 1: leading the charge right now. But again, five seats that 194 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: are going to decide the Senate right now, Democrats favored 195 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: in Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania, and Nevada from a betting market perspective, 196 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:33,839 Speaker 1: not even talking about the polls, only Wisconsin and New 197 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 1: Hampshire is a battleground state. But if it ends up 198 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 1: being close in Ohio and North Carolina, it's not a 199 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,839 Speaker 1: good sign. We are trying to sound the alarm and 200 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: let you know what needs to happen. This cake walk 201 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: that many people anticipated as the red wave was surging 202 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: earlier this year, it's not going to be as much 203 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 1: of a cake walk right now, based on the data 204 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: and analytics that you see. While you're struggling to pay 205 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: for eggs and milk and rent and gas, just remember 206 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: that these live lunatics in charge thought it was time 207 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 1: to spend a few hundred billion dollars of your money 208 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: on windmills and electric car tax credits. Yes, that's their focus, everybody, 209 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: So remember that one. 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You can also 236 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: go online to LifeLock dot com use the promo code 237 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 1: Clay for twenty five percent off. Welcome back to the 238 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show. So you may not 239 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 1: have seen this because there's so much going on with 240 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: regard to the effort to take down all things Trump, 241 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: but you got this. CFO of the Trump organization has 242 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: pleaded guilty in a tax evasion case. This is a 243 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 1: former top executive now at the Trump family business. I 244 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 1: just want to take a moment here remind everybody Clay 245 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: they have been trying for what is it now, six 246 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: years to unseal all of Trump's tax returns. Yes, they 247 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: have been trying to get a court to do that. 248 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 1: They've been bringing all kinds of investigations into the Trump organization. 249 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: They've now gone after a senior Trump, a former Trump executive. 250 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 1: Now this is first business, right, nothing to do with 251 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: the White House on taxes. And I want to remind 252 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: everybody you can see a pattern here for people who 253 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: handle classified information. If the government really wants to, especially 254 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: if you're involved in taking some of it for your 255 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: personal use because you're a former president, they can find 256 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: some they can find some excuse to say, oh, you're 257 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: mishandling classfied information. Everybody knows if the IRS goes deep 258 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: enough into your taxes, they're gonna find something. Now, I'm 259 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: not saying this guy Weiselberg didn't do anything bad. I 260 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: haven't looked that much into it. It says that he 261 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: took over one point seven million dollars of untaxed perks, 262 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: so essentially he accepted gifts and didn't declare them on 263 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: his taxes. Now, I'm just gonna say this, how many 264 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: people out there, if the irs is that had to 265 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: come after you would find something, not in maybe one 266 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: point seven million dollars worth, but something. The pointier clay 267 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: is the machine is being has been mobilized, obviously, the 268 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 1: legal and prosecutorial machinery of the federal government to go 269 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: after all things Trump. They're settling the scores. I read 270 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 1: all about this case because so many of these investigations 271 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 1: are fascinating to me as someone who did former criminal 272 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 1: defense work. And how see significant are the allegations that 273 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: are being brought buck. A lot of these improprieties on 274 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 1: his tax return are based on things like he was 275 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: given access to a car while he was working at 276 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: these organizations and didn't declare it. For instance, right if 277 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 1: you got a lease that was paid for by the company. 278 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: Technically almost anything can be classified as income. This is 279 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: me talking as a lawyer. I was blown away when 280 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: I started looking at tax law and the way that 281 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: different aspects of day to day existence can be considered 282 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: a taxable benefit. And so it was cars. I think 283 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: he had access to an apartment that was paid for 284 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: by the company, and theoretically, according to these charges, he 285 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: should have counted that as income and did not, and 286 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: that's why they caught him on some of these allegations. 287 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 1: There have books, there have been books written about this. 288 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: Three felonies a day, which I know you're familiar with 289 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: as well. If the government decides that they're going to 290 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: get you on not what would be considered mallem in 291 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 1: say things that are just bad, but mallem prohibitum things 292 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: that they say are bad. Right. You know, hitting somebody 293 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: over the head with a baseball bat for no reason. 294 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: We all know that's bad. That's criminal. You go to jail, right. 295 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: Not declaring on your tax returns that you had access 296 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: to a company car that you don't earn, that you 297 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: don't own, that's mallem prohibitum. You see what's going on here, folks. 298 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,920 Speaker 1: You see the game they're playing. They're settling the scores 299 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 1: and they're using the law to do it. We got 300 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 1: Alan Dersh what's joining us later to talk about this. Look, 301 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: we like businesses that treat you fairly, that don't overcharge 302 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 1: you just because they can. When it comes to cell 303 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 1: phone service, there's one company doing it right, Pure Talk. 304 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:48,399 Speaker 1: That's my company. You can lock in talk, text and 305 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: data on America's most reliable five G network for just 306 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:53,919 Speaker 1: thirty dollars a month. 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Appreciate 325 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: all of you who listen all over the country, including 326 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: in all well, I should say, all throughout the state 327 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: of Ohio. We've got massive audiences all throughout the state 328 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: of Ohio. We appreciate you there. I want to hit 329 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 1: you with a little bit of sports news because it's 330 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 1: probably going to be at the top of many different 331 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: news angles today. Deshaun Watson quarterback now for the Cleveland Browns, 332 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 1: formerly of the Houston Texans. Before that, played college football 333 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: at Clemson. He has been suspended. He has agreed alongside 334 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:32,679 Speaker 1: of the NFL to a suspension of eleven games and 335 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: a fine of five million dollars, one of the largest 336 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: suspensions and fines that has ever existed in the history 337 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 1: of the NFL. Buck he was accused by thirty different 338 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 1: women of sexual impropriety related to massages. Some of those 339 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 1: women filed civil lawsuits, which has since been settled. No 340 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:58,160 Speaker 1: criminal charges were ever brought, but he has now been 341 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: traded to the Cleveland Browns. He will be eligible to 342 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:05,640 Speaker 1: play after an eleven game suspension. That news coming down 343 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 1: right about time we started the show today. For those 344 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,919 Speaker 1: of you like me who are big NFL fans, who 345 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 1: are big football fans, who are big college football fans, 346 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 1: this has been one of the looming stories that is 347 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: out there. So just letting you know. I know a 348 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 1: lot of you out there are big sports fans and 349 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: had followed that that story. As always, go to OutKick 350 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 1: dot com. They will cover sports. We will cover sports 351 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:31,919 Speaker 1: in a way that will not drive you insane. I 352 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: still am involved in running that site, although Fox bought 353 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 1: it from me. Okay, So legal issues, I'm assuming Buck, 354 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: you do not have a strong take on the Deshaun 355 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: Watson suspension. I was unfamiliar with him and his career 356 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:51,160 Speaker 1: until about thirty seconds ago, So there you go. Legal issues. 357 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 1: You mentioned the Trump tax investigation into his company and 358 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 1: the decisions there. Major hearing today surrounding the mar Lago 359 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 1: raid by the FBI. There is a hearing today on 360 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 1: whether the affid David, which was the underlying supportive evidence 361 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 1: for why this warrant was granted in South Florida and 362 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: why this raid happened is going to be heard today, 363 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,679 Speaker 1: I believe at one Eastern, so in about thirty minutes 364 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 1: from now, that will be ongoing. To update you a 365 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: bit way more intelligent than either Buck or I can do. 366 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 1: We'll be talking with Alan Dershowitz at the top of 367 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 1: the third hour of this program. It should be absolutely 368 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 1: phenomenal discussion with him. But in the meantime, Buck, what's 369 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 1: intriguing here is it seems like we've got a little 370 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: bit of a game of chicken being played from a 371 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 1: legal process. You'll remember that Merritt Garland came out last 372 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 1: week a week ago today and said, oh, we want 373 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,679 Speaker 1: to unseal the warrant and allow you to know what 374 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,919 Speaker 1: zactly was seized from the Marlago raid. And a lot 375 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: of people said, well, there's no way Donald Trump's going 376 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 1: to agree to that. And then Trump came out and said, Okay, yeah, 377 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: go ahead and do it. And if anything, I would 378 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: say the unsealing of that warrant has not really helped 379 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: the Department of Justice in their argument that this was 380 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 1: an exigent circumstance and that they one hundred percent had 381 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: to run in and we need to know to have 382 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 1: greater clarity about the rationale for this raid. What was 383 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:32,120 Speaker 1: in the affidavit? The Department of Justice is saying no, no, no, no, 384 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 1: you can't release the affidavit. Trump wants it released. Many 385 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 1: different news organizations, New York Times, the Wall Street Journal 386 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: among them, are arguing, Hey, we need to see the affidavit. 387 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: The Wall Street Journal this morning Buck had one of 388 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 1: their editorials in the newspapers saying it is imperative that 389 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 1: this affidavit be released. I agree with them. What do 390 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: you think about this battle? I think this all boils 391 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: down to one question, the whole thing. Who is willing 392 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: to believe the Russia collusion playbook all over again? Who's 393 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: going to go for this a second time? Remember fool 394 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 1: me once? Remember what Bush said for me once? Can't 395 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: get can't get fooled again? You know he's kind of 396 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,919 Speaker 1: got stuck on that one. Yeah. The truth here is 397 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 1: that you're seeing a lot of similarities between the early 398 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: days of Russia collusion, the big lie they told about 399 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 1: Donald Trump, and one thing that was so important to recall, 400 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 1: you have to see the left tactics right, You and 401 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: I are dissecting the tactics they use, whether it's legal 402 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 1: or media propaganda, information warfare, whatever you want to call it, 403 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: day in and day out, that's what we're doing here. 404 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:48,120 Speaker 1: They had these big allegations Trump stole the twenty sixteen 405 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,880 Speaker 1: election with Russia's health, that's what they said, yep. And 406 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 1: then it was oh, there's this really damaging leak. And 407 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: then they get people to say, well, based on this 408 00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: really damaging leak that is always absent the full con text, 409 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,959 Speaker 1: you don't actually see the full documents. Based on all this, 410 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,639 Speaker 1: don't you condemn this? And they start changing people's minds. 411 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 1: What they try to do, in essence, is push people 412 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 1: into a collective illusion as quickly as possible. Because once 413 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 1: they get them to go to the collective illusion of 414 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: I guess Trump did steal the Russia election. I'm sorry, 415 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,880 Speaker 1: Trump did steal the election in twenty sixteen with Russia's help, 416 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 1: then there's the ideological allegiance of well, I don't want 417 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 1: to be the dumb, dumb guy who's wrong on this one, 418 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,879 Speaker 1: so they've got you, right. But the more information that 419 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 1: came out, the more we saw the you know, the 420 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: thing about the Ppe tape and the you know, the steal, Yes, 421 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: thank you, it's more fun to call it the other thing. 422 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: But the Golden Shower lies. Yes, yeah, I mean, and anybody, 423 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 1: I mean, it's crazy to even talk about the biggest 424 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 1: news organizations in the country. I have not forgotten. I 425 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 1: remember you CNN, I remember you New York Times, Washington Post. 426 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 1: They were running with all this stuff. Look, of course 427 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:02,880 Speaker 1: it's true. Anybody who Trump was like, there is zero 428 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,880 Speaker 1: chance this stuff actually went down. Zero chance. I mean, 429 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: this is this is bonkers. And yet you see that 430 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,439 Speaker 1: they tried to get the narrative in place before the 431 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:16,159 Speaker 1: information came out. I think you can expect exactly the 432 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 1: same thing to continue to occur here, because you'll see 433 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 1: a trend. I'm gonna go, you know, you like to bet. 434 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: I wish is a way to bet on this. The 435 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 1: trend will be the more information, actual information, not leaks, 436 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 1: not news stories. The more documentation we have about the 437 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 1: Marlago raid, the more obvious it will be that this 438 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: was trumped up, that this was exaggerated, There weren't nuclear secrets. 439 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 1: I mean, stop to ask a fundamental question. I asked 440 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 1: what Russia declusion from the beginning was Clay. It didn't 441 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: even make sense. Yeah, it's a crazy idea. You're gonna 442 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: be in Putin's pocket for all for you could he 443 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 1: could dump you at any point in time by exposing this. 444 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: It's the dumbest plan. And by the way, Trump told 445 00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 1: me this later on if he had heard me say it, 446 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:02,639 Speaker 1: he said, Russia Calue. It doesn't even make any bleeping sense, 447 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 1: totally true. Actually said that to me in the Oval 448 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 1: office a long time ago. And on this issue, why 449 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,640 Speaker 1: would Trump? Why would Trump want to keep nuclear secrets? 450 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 1: Everybody think about that. First of all, he has no 451 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 1: idea what's in the boxes. And second of all, why 452 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: would he want that? It makes no sense. He's not 453 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: trying to sell nuclear secrets to the Chinese libs. I'm sorry, 454 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 1: your stupid lies aren't going to work on everybody. So 455 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,439 Speaker 1: that's why I think this h this unsealing that's going 456 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,360 Speaker 1: to come, this hearing that's going to happen, is so interesting. 457 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 1: I think they're gonna say no, and then I think 458 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,360 Speaker 1: there'll be more pressure. I think eventually they're gonna say yes, 459 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: it will be redacted, and we'll say we need to 460 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 1: see the redactions. What does that feel like Russia Russia 461 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,399 Speaker 1: ruptional and they'll say, you can't see the reactions because 462 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 1: the state secrets are so import course, then if we 463 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: reveal this there will be major issues. And here is 464 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 1: where this becomes a huge win for Democrats. I just 465 00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: gotta be honest with you. Oh, huge win for Democrats. Yes, listen, 466 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 1: because we're talking about defending Trump instead of attacking Biden. Well, 467 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 1: this is the points that is their play, distraction and defense. 468 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 1: They get that no matter what they're the tames into 469 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 1: distraction for us and defense that we have to go 470 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,679 Speaker 1: on instead of Hey, you know, the Democrats elected a 471 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 1: guy who's visibly senile, failed on COVID, and has made 472 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,640 Speaker 1: the economy much worse than any of us anticipated. If 473 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 1: the story is Biden, Democrats have a red wave that 474 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 1: sweeps over them. If the story is was a Mara 475 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: Lago ray justified or not by the FBI, many people 476 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 1: go back to their respective camps. Buck. You know, one 477 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: of the biggest challenges out there getting people to change 478 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 1: their minds. Get people. That's why we've had so much 479 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: difficulty in getting people to believe that mass don't work. 480 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:57,880 Speaker 1: The data is overwhelming, but it takes so long to 481 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 1: get people to come off whatever their opinion is, and Trump, 482 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: to a large extent, is a known quantity, and so 483 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 1: the usual suspects run to their corners and say Trump 484 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,639 Speaker 1: is the worst human being ever. He's got to be 485 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: in prison. And then people like you and me, who 486 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,359 Speaker 1: I believe are logical, and many of our listeners sit 487 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 1: and look. But when we're defending Trump, we're not attacking Biden. 488 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,359 Speaker 1: And so the raid on Trump is in don't miss 489 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 1: what's going on here. It's an offensive attack by Democrats 490 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:35,639 Speaker 1: which forces us to get distracted into the defense of 491 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 1: Trump as opposed to the prosecution of Biden's failures as president. 492 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: And that is what we are dealing with right now. 493 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: Doesn't mean these are not legitimate discussions we should be having. 494 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 1: We certainly should, but the Democrats are controlling the narrative 495 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 1: cycle based on their raid. 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You're gonna 515 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 1: love these slippers for just twenty nine ninety eight. Welcome 516 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 1: back to the Clay Travis end Buck Sexton Show. Clay 517 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 1: and I are hanging out here in studio in Salt 518 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 1: Lake City at our great affiliated Kate and R. S Y, 519 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 1: enjoying so far the fantastic hospitality both of the station 520 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 1: and the fine people here of Salt Lake City, got 521 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 1: off the plane, got a big high five from a 522 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 1: Clay and Buck fan right away. Clay. So, like I said, 523 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 1: Salt Lake City, a lot of our folks, a lot 524 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 1: of our folks are here. 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It's crazy defending the policy to prioritize 535 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 1: retaining educators of color when determining layoffs. So this is 536 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: a straight up fire the white people first policy. That 537 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 1: is what they were discussing here. That is that let's 538 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 1: just let's describe what it is. It is, Hey, we're 539 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 1: going to fire white teachers before we fire other teachers 540 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 1: and Also, there's so many fascinating components. If you have 541 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 1: to think about so, if you are you know, the 542 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: people often talk about like a white Hispanic, how does 543 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 1: that factor into this? Or if you're of of you know, 544 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 1: two different heritages, how does that factor into this policy. 545 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: They're getting a lot of heat over this, but I 546 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 1: do think it's an important reminder that eventually anti racism 547 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 1: policy just turns into racism. It's just a question of 548 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 1: how far they push it. Anti racism turns into what 549 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 1: I believe Justice Alita referred to in a Supreme Court 550 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 1: decision as the racial spoils system. Well, and this is 551 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 1: why I believe this Supreme Court case this fall has 552 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 1: the potential to be so transformative in so many different 553 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 1: ways because what used to be sort of the affirmative 554 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 1: action policies that only impacted white people, now Asians are 555 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 1: getting wildly discriminated against when it comes to based on 556 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 1: the data that's out there, applying to Ivy League schools, 557 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 1: trying to get into elite public high schools, for instance, 558 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 1: all over New York City. This has been a major battle. 559 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 1: Where you live, it's been a major battle. I know 560 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 1: in Northern Virginia, where they have many different elite schools, 561 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 1: and this idea that minorities should get a benefit. But 562 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 1: now they're slicing and dicing the minority population. Wait a minute, 563 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 1: Asians are too successful, so they should be put into 564 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 1: the white camp. And Asian people are saying, wait a minute. 565 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: Many of these kids, when you look at who's going 566 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 1: to New York City public schools, many of them are 567 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 1: sons and daughters of immigrants. That is, it's not as 568 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: if they're wildly successful economically. They are just committing themselves 569 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 1: to the educational system and scoring at very high rates. 570 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 1: Which Buck you know, was the original reason why the 571 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 1: sat In the Act and all these nationwide testing services 572 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 1: began was because Jewish people were being discriminated against at 573 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 1: Ivy League institutions and the Ivy League schools. We're trying 574 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 1: to have as many white as Anglo Sexton Protestants, the 575 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 1: WASP population as possible, and they wanted to be able 576 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 1: to consider all applicants on an even playing field. Well, 577 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 1: now Asians are rising up and dunking all over everybody 578 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 1: else when it comes to academic achievement. And so these lawsuits, 579 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 1: which I believe are ultimately going to succeed are going 580 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,840 Speaker 1: to do away in a large measure with what's going 581 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 1: on here, when really, let's be honest, the easy solution 582 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 1: for teachers is you get to keep your job, whether 583 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 1: it's fair or foul, based on seniority, which is how 584 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 1: most of this goes right. The younger teachers get pushed 585 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 1: a good teacher. It's not like you're a hedge fund 586 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 1: manager and you look at the percentage of up objective 587 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 1: who the best teacher is. So I do understand why 588 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 1: seniority exists, even though which is sometimes it means better 589 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 1: younger teachers to short end of the stick. You know 590 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 1: what's so interesting though, you bring up how Asian Americans 591 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 1: are at the forefront now and quite literally in the 592 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 1: Supreme Court sense, but more generally in the fight against 593 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,840 Speaker 1: let's be honest, a firmive action has just turned into racism. 594 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 1: It's a racism by a different name. And this is 595 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 1: and they expand it to certain groups and not other groups. 596 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 1: And they decide that they're going to be adding discriminated 597 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 1: groups that they say are marginalized. There's there's no referendum 598 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 1: on this, it's just, yeah, the left decides on a 599 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 1: per capita basis percentage wise, I should say Asian Americans 600 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,359 Speaker 1: are actually the poorest ethnic demographic in New York City, 601 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 1: which is a shock to people. But Asia, now in 602 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 1: that encompasses South Asia as well as what we think 603 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 1: of as East Asia and this country. There are a 604 00:34:55,719 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 1: lot of Asian immigrants who arrive in New York any 605 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,239 Speaker 1: list basically with not a dollar to their names, and 606 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 1: they own businesses over time, and they send their children 607 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,399 Speaker 1: to first maybe city or community college, and then within 608 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:14,120 Speaker 1: a generation two their kids are going to state college 609 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 1: or even Harvard, right. I mean, you know, there's a 610 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 1: very rapid ascent that occurs, and I know it. I'm 611 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 1: familiar with in these communities. I applied to got into 612 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 1: a school called Steveson, which is the one of the 613 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,280 Speaker 1: most famous public schools in the lead of the entire country. 614 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:29,320 Speaker 1: I didn't go because I got a full scholarship to 615 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,360 Speaker 1: go to a Jesuit school, so it was zero dollars 616 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:35,360 Speaker 1: or zero dollars. But the point is this really harms 617 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:39,239 Speaker 1: the narrative of everything in this country is racist and 618 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:43,800 Speaker 1: white supremacy determines how the school system, particularly elite schools, 619 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:48,480 Speaker 1: function Because Asians are arriving here or Asian Americans are 620 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,440 Speaker 1: sending their children to schools that are at the very top, 621 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 1: including Harvard, and it just doesn't add up based on 622 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 1: what the left says. So this is what we're up against, Clay. 623 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,120 Speaker 1: They don't really pay attention to what the realities. Oh 624 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 1: and at Harvard, they were saying specifically that this was 625 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,879 Speaker 1: in the documents that are in these students for Fair 626 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,800 Speaker 1: Admission lawsuit. They kept saying that Asians, this is Harvard University, 627 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 1: Asians lacked leadership qualities, which was that kept coming up 628 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,400 Speaker 1: in the analysis and the admissions, to which a lot 629 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,920 Speaker 1: of people said, what the heck does that mean? Sounded 630 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:26,000 Speaker 1: like it was super racist Harvard. And I think that 631 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,040 Speaker 1: this is going to be one of the most transformative 632 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,799 Speaker 1: cases that we have heard in a very long time 633 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,239 Speaker 1: when you contemplate what's going to be happening in this 634 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,520 Speaker 1: case before all is said and done. Next hour, keep 635 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:39,759 Speaker 1: hanging with us play Travis and Buck Sexton on the 636 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:41,600 Speaker 1: front lines of truth.