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Speaker 2: Pulled in by Wilson for a touchdown. Wanna throw by

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Speaker 2: Touchdown, Tyler Murray. That defender is in multiple pieces. Oh

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Speaker 2: that was nasty right there. Rights slam the ground by

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Speaker 2: fooda baker like a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield.

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Speaker 2: I ain't scared of nobody.

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Speaker 2: Alright, we're gonna need to show a hands right here

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Speaker 2: off the top. I don't know Darren already. You're so

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Speaker 2: SUSPEC number one. You said, I'll let you know where

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Speaker 2: This mayor may not necessitate further questioning. Earlier today, when

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Speaker 2: the flavored water, watermelon, raspberry, I enjoy.

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Speaker 3: I enjoy what my mom likes to call spaw water.

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Speaker 3: I'm not picky.

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Speaker 2: I was expecting yes or no answer, but we yes, okay.

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Speaker 2: I mentioned that because I walked into the breakroom and

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Speaker 2: the spad water was flowing like the excellent Valdis. Someone

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Speaker 3: Just pouring on you walk away knowing that.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, And that's what I'm trying to figure out.

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Speaker 3: Did you clean it up or you we walked out, which.

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Speaker 2: One of you enjoys the spa water? It made me,

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Speaker 2: you know, it's not me. It was so excited to

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Speaker 2: imbibe said spawater. They just left it flowing and walked away,

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Speaker 4: And you, of course went in and turned it.

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Speaker 2: Off, turned it off, and it was it was sizable

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Speaker 2: like I said, a little beyond just a few paper towels.

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Speaker 2: So I called in the experts.

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Speaker 5: Okay, you called in the experts. That's good.

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Speaker 2: I outsourced it. Do what I do best. I just

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Speaker 2: passed the baton on that one. But hopefully I'll get all.

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Speaker 2: I'll get as much info and analysis an opinion out

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Speaker 2: of YouTube as was coming out of the SPA water

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Speaker 2: Thanks for paying attention. That was already said. As we

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Speaker 2: continue here, Darren Urban Poly Podcast Danny Sirek Darren soon

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Speaker 2: to go on vacation, So I guess it's an all

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Speaker 2: out battle royale between me and Danny to see who's

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Speaker 2: gonna be who's the captain of this ship. Starting next week,

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Speaker 2: we'll have to find that out. Maybe we'll know by

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Speaker 2: the end of this we know who's one of the

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Speaker 2: four captains of the Arizona Cardinals. There's my segue into Kyler,

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Speaker 2: because you know what, you can start every single podcast

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Speaker 2: with Kyler if you wanted to. Uh this time of year,

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Speaker 2: you see Kyler on all sorts of different lists. Do

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Speaker 2: you not over the last two three months, you're.

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Speaker 3: The one who's finding all the lists, Paul.

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Speaker 2: He's on every single list you could imagine in terms

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Speaker 2: a ton of different lists. Here's my question to you.

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Speaker 2: Sure, because around his softball game, when he's doing the

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Speaker 2: Where else? How else can Kyler be different? Dare I

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Speaker 2: say better? If everyone's getting better season upon season? And

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Speaker 5: I don't know if we're gonna there's gonna be a

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Speaker 5: to turn some of these passing plays. We need to

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Speaker 3: It in stride is where the receivers need to be hit.

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Speaker 3: Ball security is another one eleven interceptions. When you think

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Speaker 3: So just being smarter with the ball and then that

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Speaker 3: The last year or so, it's been a drop off,

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Speaker 3: and that's a whole bunch of things coming together. Of

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Speaker 3: he's capable of it. Marvin Harrison Junior has shown last

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Speaker 3: season he had some moments where you could see he

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Speaker 2: Right around twenty twenty twenty one is two Pro Bowl years.

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Speaker 2: So I would agree with that the efficiency and the

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Speaker 2: chemistry with everyone beyond Trey McBride. His chemistry with Trey

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Speaker 2: doesn't it. Oh yeah, that really makes it difficult for

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Speaker 5: I would agree with that. And again, what does that

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Speaker 5: I just just to feel more comfortable. Well, it kind

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Speaker 5: like is it chemistry is it the learning curve for Marvin.

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Speaker 5: Like do they have to be best friends? Is it

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Speaker 5: because they got a lot of work together in the

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Speaker 5: off season, Well, there's no defense in the off season.

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Speaker 5: And then there's all these variables that even if they

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Speaker 5: off the press coverage or whatever it is, it doesn't

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Speaker 5: matter how much chemistry they have.

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Speaker 3: You know, chemistry shows though in timing and understanding someone's

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Speaker 3: catch radius. To me, though, those are the first two

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Speaker 3: talked about these off script plays, right of Murray rolling

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know how you achieve it. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Man. Look, it's what Trey McBride talks about when you

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Speaker 5: Like a a guy who doesn't save long sentences, that

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Speaker 3: And you saw that progression, a typical progression from a

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Speaker 5: Danny's gonna be telling James Connor he's getting fewer snaps.

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Speaker 3: No, I am not. Let's make it clear I because

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Speaker 3: I don't think that means we're gonna see a fifty

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Speaker 3: we've got Connor play. Okay, he had a snaps. Just

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Speaker 3: put in Benson. No, Connor is still going to carry

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Speaker 2: I know, yeah, there's probably not a lot of carries

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Speaker 2: here's the question I put the wolf two RB ones.

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Speaker 2: he's out in a number of routes and you're using

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Speaker 5: I wouldn't I would love to see that more often.

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Speaker 2: And it keeps a defense, honest, doesn't all Right? Who's

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Speaker 2: Now we got matchup issues. And if we're lighting in

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Speaker 2: I just think there's a lot of intriguing aspects of that.

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Speaker 5: That's that's the best way to do it, right, if

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Speaker 3: Isn't that crazy though? That like, we're essentially having the

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Speaker 2: And I do remember Wolf telling me I was dead wrong,

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Speaker 4: So not ideal.

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Speaker 4: Look, they have a really strong running back room.

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Speaker 5: And that's one of the reasons why I thought you

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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, what are you sure? Just because I

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Speaker 4: Did you use that? I don't remember you reckon that?

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Speaker 4: Did he break that out?

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Speaker 2: I broke it out? And by the way, Wolf already

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Speaker 3: It's cool, Darren says all this, but he already has

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Speaker 3: a giant Skataboo jersey hanging in his office at home.

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Speaker 2: That's right. There's anyone forty four there's anyone who's Skataboo

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Speaker 2: because there's still shortcomings in the receiver room? How viable

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Speaker 2: is that? Do you consider that ideal? I mean, the

436
00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,200
Speaker 2: Ravens have done a lot of damage over the years

437
00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:22,119
Speaker 2: without the greatest receiving room. Mark Andrews has been their

438
00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:26,160
Speaker 2: leading receiver. Patrick Malmes has won a Super Bowl without

439
00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:30,320
Speaker 2: a All Pro receivers and Travis Kelcey was his go

440
00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:35,200
Speaker 2: to guy obviously for the last half decade. George Kittle,

441
00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:36,879
Speaker 2: and think of all the injuries and Niners have had

442
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:38,879
Speaker 2: to their receiver room over the years, George Kittle has

443
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,840
Speaker 2: always been a constant. So I mean, if Trey McBride

444
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Speaker 2: is your top receiver overall, is that potentially a problem?

445
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Speaker 3: No. As long as you're getting from A to C.

446
00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,159
Speaker 3: I don't care where BA is in the middle. And

447
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,800
Speaker 3: if the Cardinals don't have maybe that deep passing game

448
00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:58,200
Speaker 3: like we were talking about that they had in years past,

449
00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,360
Speaker 3: I'm okay. If you're hitting a tight end and he's

450
00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 3: getting yards after catch, which McBride does every single time

451
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,000
Speaker 3: he has the ball in his hands, five hundred and

452
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:10,840
Speaker 3: thirteen yards after catch last year. I'm totally okay with that,

453
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Speaker 3: considering how reliable McBride is, how consistent he is with

454
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Speaker 3: his catches, how tough he is to bring down on

455
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Speaker 3: a first contact. You want to be able to rely

456
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Speaker 3: on your wide receivers, especially Harrison, your wide receiver one

457
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Speaker 3: fourth overall pick. You have to have both. It's not

458
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Speaker 3: a problem though, if McBride is your go to player

459
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Speaker 3: and that's what gets you to move the chains and

460
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,359
Speaker 3: you end up putting points on the board.

461
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Speaker 5: I wrote the story along these lines, and I think

462
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Speaker 5: I absolutely don't think it's a problem. Now, again, how

463
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,680
Speaker 5: does that manifest itself throughout the rest of the offense.

464
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:51,800
Speaker 5: I don't think it's an issue if Tree McBride's you're

465
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Speaker 5: leading pass catcher. But again, can you count on some

466
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Speaker 5: big plays from those other guys? Can Michael Wilson some

467
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,239
Speaker 5: big plays here and there? Definitely can Marvin Harrison make

468
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 5: some big plays here? You mentioned winning the Super Bowl

469
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,160
Speaker 5: with Travis Kelce, which is true, but now not all

470
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 5: of them. But they did win one with Tyreek Hill.

471
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Speaker 5: Now he wasn't their leading receiver, I don't think, but

472
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 5: obviously that was the game changer. So you.

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Speaker 4: Want to be able to move around.

474
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Speaker 5: But I I've never if Trey McBride's going to play

475
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,880
Speaker 5: at this level, I think you're just fine. I mean,

476
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Speaker 5: we're not talking about Freddy Jones being your leading tight

477
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Speaker 5: end receiver.

478
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Speaker 2: But but and as much as we joke about it,

479
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 2: they have to figure out how to get him more

480
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:44,359
Speaker 2: touchdown catches. Right, that can't happen, Tray that can't happen. Again,

481
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:46,919
Speaker 2: here's the way that Cardinals make the playoffs and Trey

482
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 2: McBride only has two touchdown catches.

483
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Speaker 5: I would generally agree, although the Cardinals were like top

484
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 5: five in the league in terms of touchdowns on goal

485
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 5: to go. Now that's not red zone. There's a difference there.

486
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 5: So you got to be able to get But when

487
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 5: I think of gold got situations, that's when you're looking

488
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,160
Speaker 5: for your tight end in the past game a lot

489
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,959
Speaker 5: of times and they did just fine. So you know,

490
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 5: where's that disconnect? Obviously? I just I feel like, yeah,

491
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:15,919
Speaker 5: you would definitely wanted to get another touchdown. I mean,

492
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 5: let's face it, what was what's the greatest Trey McBride

493
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 5: and touchdown pass potential touchdown pass memory of last year.

494
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 5: It's not of the touchdown, it's the trying to go

495
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 5: to him in the end zone and have to be

496
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 5: picked off against the ram.

497
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Speaker 2: Did aflection off the helmet week seventeen at the goal line?

498
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Speaker 2: Come on, man. Yeah. By the way, Kyler's record year rushing,

499
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,640
Speaker 2: just to let you guys know, he had eleven rushing touchdowns.

500
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 2: He was dangerous in twenty twenty.

501
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Speaker 5: Yeah, he was pretty he was pretty dangerous that year.

502
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Speaker 2: I mean, you find some of the best teams in

503
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Speaker 2: the red zone, and you'll find some of the best

504
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,680
Speaker 2: teams in the NFL. So if you can find out

505
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 2: figure out a way to to unlock Tray McBride a

506
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:02,719
Speaker 2: little bit more in the red zone and get them

507
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:04,120
Speaker 2: more touchdowns.

508
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, apparently the ten to twenty yard range is where

509
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 5: they need to up their game.

510
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,919
Speaker 2: And if Kyler can keep a defense honest and you

511
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 2: know what, Okay, maybe he doesn't run for nine hundred

512
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 2: yards calvy see, but if he can get in the

513
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,119
Speaker 2: end zone a little bit more with his legs, I

514
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 2: think that's where this offense could take a huge step

515
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,479
Speaker 2: board and that's something they haven't done really since that

516
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 2: Pro Bowl season of twenty twenty. So I'm serious because

517
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 2: you know, look, when he was drafted Kyler Murray, that's

518
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,440
Speaker 2: one of the things you heard from coaches on both

519
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,479
Speaker 2: sides of the ball. He's gonna be such a weapon

520
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 2: with his four to three in the red zone. He's

521
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,640
Speaker 2: gonna be able to outrace defenders to the pylon. And

522
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,719
Speaker 2: that's something that's gonna really keep defensive coordinators up all

523
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,479
Speaker 2: week leading up to game day. So you know what,

524
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 2: at least I know I'm more in favor of seeing

525
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,199
Speaker 2: that with more regularity.

526
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 3: Absolutely. Think of San Francisco last season Week four, when

527
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 3: he called the touchdown he was barely five yards off

528
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 3: line of immage. Is what a forty five yard rushing

529
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,199
Speaker 3: touchdown in the heat? He still has that. This is

530
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 3: not something where Okay, we saw this sum Murray his

531
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 3: first two years in the league. It's it's dropped off,

532
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 3: it's tapered off after his knee injury. Not the case.

533
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 3: It's just a matter of having that more in this offense,

534
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 3: having it in the in the game plan a little

535
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:19,400
Speaker 3: bit more.

536
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,160
Speaker 2: Just to mention of one eleven degrees in Santa Clara

537
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,199
Speaker 2: last year in Week five, I need a break. So

538
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,439
Speaker 2: you know what, Danny, We're gonna toss it to you.

539
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 2: Danny will segue.

540
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 3: To you getting cultured. With Danny, it is not just

541
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 3: directed at.

542
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Speaker 2: Paul am I the default uncultured philistine around here.

543
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,360
Speaker 4: Yes, he got me very excited.

544
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:39,640
Speaker 5: Now I am on.

545
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 3: Social media and consume more at pop culture than both

546
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 3: of you combined.

547
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,919
Speaker 2: I think I'm being unfairly profiled. But go ahead, let's go.

548
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 3: Huge news came out this week. Huge Joey Chestnut announced

549
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 3: he is returning to the Nathan's famous Fourth of July

550
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,679
Speaker 3: hot dog eating contest. He missed last year's due to

551
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 3: a track dispute. He's making his return twenty twenty one.

552
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 3: He ate seventy six hot dogs and buns and ten minutes,

553
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 3: which set a world record. He since broken it with

554
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:12,679
Speaker 3: eighty three at a different event.

555
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 5: No, I hope, I hope that when they're editing this

556
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 5: together for YouTube, that we cut to Paul's face when

557
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 5: Danny read that, because he got the biggest smile on

558
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 5: his fee.

559
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 3: Do you guys watch that on the phone?

560
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,360
Speaker 2: Oh no, I do, absolutely, I watch it. First Off,

561
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 2: Joe Joey Chestnut the four oh eight San Jose's own

562
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 2: Joey Chestnut. Uh, it is remarkable. I'm not exactly eating

563
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 2: my July fourth barbecue after watching that event. It takes

564
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 2: me a little while to mentally recover from watch.

565
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 4: Your hockey puck Hamburgers.

566
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 2: That's not funny, by the way, You know, okay, I

567
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 2: might have burned a bash of Burger's, but for the

568
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 2: family to go into my office, grab an actual Coyotes

569
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 2: hockey puck and put vulcanized rubber between a couple of

570
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 2: Hamburger buns and then put it on the plate in

571
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,439
Speaker 2: the kitchen to mock me, That's that's not funny. It

572
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 2: hurt my feeling.

573
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 3: It is very gross to watch, especially when they dunk

574
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 3: the buns in the But I have to tune in

575
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 3: so Joey Chestnut will be there.

576
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 2: I did not know that appointment viewing. Here we go next.

577
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 3: On the list, supposedly, and I saw on the internet,

578
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 3: so it must be true. Pope Leo and Madonna are cousins.

579
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 3: There is a historian who put in The New York

580
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:28,360
Speaker 3: Times they are supposedly ninth cousins various times removed through

581
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 3: a maternal ancestor born in the fifteen nineties. And I

582
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 3: saw this online because I saw I saw a funny

583
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 3: tweet that I saw a funny tweet that claimed that

584
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 3: Pope Leo got the title the job from nepotism because

585
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 3: Madonna wrote like a prayer that was clever. He is

586
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 3: also supposedly cousins with Hillary Clinton, Justin Bieber and Angelina Jolee.

587
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 2: What okay?

588
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 3: Okay, I saw it online. Ball It's true.

589
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 2: She's from Detroit, He's from Chicago. So okay.

590
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 3: And lastly, the Men's College World Series, the Arkansas Picture

591
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 3: gauge Wood through a no hitter against Murray State, third

592
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 3: picture in College World Series history to do so. However,

593
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 3: Murray State does still have a leg up on Arkansas

594
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 3: in the Jello Shot challenge at Roccos Bar, the famous

595
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 3: car in Omaha, where they keep a list a tally

596
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 3: of people who buy jello shots for the team hurting. Okay,

597
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 3: they have a whiteboard that when you buy a Jello

598
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 3: shot for whatever team it is, they are constantly updating

599
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 3: the numbers. Usually l LSU LSU it has it in

600
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 3: the bag. When I checked just before recording, they had

601
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 3: like seventeen or eighteen thousand jello.

602
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 2: Shots for them in the literally.

603
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 3: Yes, uh, Murray State is at number two, Arkansas at three.

604
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 3: That's your update. He's been cultured. You're welcome.

605
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 5: Can I can I have an additional culture? Did you

606
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 5: see this about Arange?

607
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 4: I don't know this, Angel.

608
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 3: Rees, I did. I almost included this.

609
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 5: I gotta throw this out there. So Angel Reese WNBA

610
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 5: player who is kind of infamous for getting lots of

611
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 5: double doubles, points and rebounds. But part of the reason

612
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 5: she gets double doubles is because she's not a very

613
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 5: good shooters rebounding ole miss shots. So she was being

614
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 5: trolled on the internet for getting me bounds.

615
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 2: That's good.

616
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 5: So she copyrighted it and now is putting out merchandise

617
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 5: with me Bounds on it.

618
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 2: Wow, well done. Pay Oh my goodness, come on, how

619
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 2: much money? How much revenue can you yearn from me bounds? Really?

620
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 5: Really, it's anybody who doesn't like Caitlin Clark where is

621
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 5: an Angel Rehes fan will probably buy it.

622
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 3: Paul already has three in his cart.

623
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Speaker 4: That I just need, I need to jump on.

624
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Speaker 5: I hope you didn't appropriate.

625
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 2: That was good, okay, And that is getting cultured. With Danny.

626
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Speaker 2: Well done. I did actually learn a few things there,

627
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 2: so normally notically.

628
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Speaker 5: Did you see the smile when you said Joey Chestnut,

629
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 5: big smile.

630
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Speaker 2: That's huge. That's huge. That's uh, that is big. Okay,

631
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, the Hot Dog Eating Contest can't

632
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 2: live without Joy Chestnut and Joy Chestnut can't live without

633
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:05,479
Speaker 2: their July fourth.

634
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 3: Now, I am intrigued for a few things. Of one,

635
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 3: how they stretch their stomach. Supposedly it's a lot. It's

636
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 3: high quantity of low calorie foods like cabbage and expanding

637
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 3: your stomach. But I wonder if they prep like how

638
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 3: many hot dogs are you eating in preparation for this?

639
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 2: I heard they stretch their stomachs with just gallons and

640
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 2: gallons of water or milk.

641
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 5: Ugh, alright, this is okay, throw up now?

642
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 2: All right? So, speaking of expanding, is that a segue

643
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 2: to kick off returns? Because Jeff Rogers said they're going

644
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 2: to go from twenty five to seventy percent.

645
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 4: That's a pretty big jump. I thought, that is.

646
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 2: I mean, that's Joy Chestnut's seventy six hot dog esque.

647
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 2: I mean, are you serious with that? I mean really,

648
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 2: I mean they're give so I'm all on board.

649
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 5: They're they're moving the touchback now is going to go

650
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 5: from the twenty five yard line to the thirty yard line.

651
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,120
Speaker 5: So now all of a sudden, no, no, from the

652
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 5: thirty to thirty five. That's right, thirty to thirty five.

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Speaker 5: My bad, my bad. Yeah. So yeah, to let a

654
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Speaker 5: team start at the thirty five, you're not gonna want

655
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Speaker 5: to do that. So you're gonna want to kick it

656
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Speaker 5: short of the into the kicking zone or whatever you

657
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Speaker 5: call it.

658
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 2: And so how equipped are the Cardinals to use this

659
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 2: as a competitive advantage. DJ Dallas above average return man

660
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 2: in the NFL.

661
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Speaker 5: Assuming he's that guy with going back to the running

662
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 5: backs who's making the team.

663
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Speaker 2: Just saying, I mean DJ Dallas is on every single special.

664
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Speaker 4: Team, I would think he's going to be I mean

665
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Speaker 4: he is.

666
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 2: He is such a nuisance, him and Joy Blunt on

667
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 2: special teams, like it's no surprise when the Cardinals had

668
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 2: the joint practice at Indy last year that almost instantly, Yes,

669
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 2: he was at the middle of a folk room. He's

670
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 2: the Fulkroum point of you know, just everyone wanted a

671
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Speaker 2: piece of DJ Dallas.

672
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Speaker 3: Makes sense why when Dallas signed last offseason, special teams

673
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 3: coordinator Jeff Rogers said that he was glad to no

674
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Speaker 3: longer be tackling Dallas, who was with Seattle previously.

675
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Speaker 2: He is the ultimate irritant.

676
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 3: He's a brick like he's tough to bring down, and

677
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 3: he took it to the house on the Dynamic kickoff

678
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Speaker 3: in Buffalo Week one last year.

679
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Speaker 2: Anybody remember weebel wobbles, Remember, yeah, I mean, don't tell,

680
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 2: don't tell DJ Dallas. I said that, but you know,

681
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 2: he sort of has that body type. You see. He

682
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 2: sort of plays that.

683
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 5: Way Weebo's wobble, but they don't fall down.

684
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Speaker 2: Paul Rumph. There we go. That's a dank. Greg Dort

685
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 2: should be in the mix to be a return man.

686
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 2: Trey Benson I would presume could be a return man.

687
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 2: Am I missing anyone else? And he else could be

688
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 2: a Xavier Weaver maybe in a pinch, I don't know, uh,

689
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 2: presuming he's on the team. I mean, look, there are

690
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 2: twenty eight draft picks right now on this team. Every

691
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 2: single draft pick that Manti Osaffort has made in three

692
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 2: years is currently on this roster. No longer is a

693
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 2: GM getting rid of somebody else's draft picks. Now this year,

694
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 2: come late August, you get to fifty three. Guess what

695
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 2: this is gonna be your own blood, sweat and tears.

696
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 2: That's gonna be getting the waiver wire.

697
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Speaker 5: Yes, and we said this last year, we expected a

698
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 5: couple guys to get picked up, and I don't know

699
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Speaker 5: if it happened. I'll be honest, I definitely think there's

700
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Speaker 5: a chance this year. The other thing, too, is like,

701
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 5: are you gonna be able to get a couple guys

702
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 5: to the practice squad that you really want? And then

703
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 5: are we going to have a cam Thomas type trade

704
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 5: where you're dealing a guy that you're gonna cut and

705
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 5: getting a six or seventh round pick out of it

706
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 5: just to get something before you let him go.

707
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Speaker 2: For example, they let Ben Stilly go a month ago

708
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,919
Speaker 2: or so. I mean he's a legitimate NFL defensive lineman. Yes,

709
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 2: I mean he is. He is on a fifty three

710
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 2: somewhere and I think they probably just did him a solid.

711
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 2: I agree with that and say, hey, Ben, guess what,

712
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 2: you know what, you have a future in this league.

713
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,839
Speaker 2: You can earn a living for one of the other

714
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 2: thirty one teams. Because it's not happening in this defensive

715
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Speaker 2: line room, not this year.

716
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Speaker 3: Throughout the last couple of years we've talked about there's

717
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 3: not an allegiance of this new front office and the

718
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 3: decisions they were making of figuring out what players do

719
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 3: they want to keep from the previous regime and how

720
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 3: they wanted to build this team moving forward. Not the

721
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 3: case anymore.

722
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 2: On Red Seat report Our, Jim Olmhundro went back to

723
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 2: last year's final roster construction, the final cut to fifty

724
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 2: three and for example, Week one Cardinals had six corners

725
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 2: on that roster. They had four safeties. They had sixty linemen.

726
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 2: There's no way you only have sixty linemen. It is

727
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 2: currently at least seven. Conversely, you're gonna have to pull

728
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:30,240
Speaker 2: that extra number from somewhere.

729
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 3: So it's not going to be a safety.

730
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Speaker 5: Six corners, No, probably five corners.

731
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Speaker 3: I would think it's not going to be a safety

732
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 3: if you've got Buddha Baker, Jalen Thompson, Rabbit, and Joey

733
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Speaker 3: Blunt for special teams.

734
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Speaker 4: Could it be inside linebacker? How many inside linebackers.

735
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Speaker 2: There were four that broke camp a year ago, five

736
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 2: outside linebackers. Nine total between inside and outside linebacker a

737
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 2: year ago. I think there's there were nine offensive linemen

738
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:57,320
Speaker 2: a year ago. If you have guys with really stellar

739
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 2: positional flexibility, could you get away with eight?

740
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 5: Well, let's not forget one of those nine last year

741
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 5: was Christian Jones. Was it not?

742
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 2: Yes?

743
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 5: And he was basically red shirting because they knew he

744
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 5: wasn't gonna make it through That is true. He wasn't

745
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 5: gonna make it through waivers. So you're basically trying to

746
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 5: hang on to him.

747
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 2: Now you have three main tight ends. Are you getting

748
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 2: away with three? Because last year you had four out

749
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:17,240
Speaker 2: of camp?

750
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 5: I think you're gonna get away with three? And you

751
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,720
Speaker 5: have somebody on the practice squad that would be my guess.

752
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 2: And you broke camp a year go with six receivers.

753
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 2: That ain't happening. No five tops, right, I would think.

754
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 2: So again, you need an extra body or two for

755
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 2: defensive line. You have a ton of young corners. I mean,

756
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 2: are you gonna let a really talented young corner hit

757
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 2: the street? Maybe you do go with six.

758
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 3: I don't know if we're saying five. And again, we

759
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 3: have seen very limited things on the fuel throughout a

760
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 3: combination of OTA's and mandatory mini camp off the top

761
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Speaker 3: of your head. If we're going to say five, the

762
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Speaker 3: educated guest would be Starling Thomas, Max Melton, Will Johnson.

763
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Speaker 3: And then as you continue to work your way down

764
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Speaker 3: Elijah Jones, where does Denzel Burke fit into this and

765
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 3: his role on special teams, the rookie and then what

766
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 3: other names are you looking at in your list, Paul

767
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,240
Speaker 3: that I'm not even mentioning. I mean, Kee Troll Clark

768
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 3: is in that room.

769
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Jade Davis was a draft picks seventh

770
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 2: round or two years ago. Darren Hall is definitely service.

771
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 3: Hall looked good in six season last year.

772
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:28,760
Speaker 2: He did.

773
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 5: Darren Hall was the sixth corner last year.

774
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 3: So maybe maybe it is five. And then he try

775
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 3: and stash some guys on the practice squad.

776
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's I mean, and I mean there are

777
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:39,720
Speaker 2: a couple of these guys that, I mean, Will Johnson

778
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 2: is making this team, but Denzel Burke. Not only do

779
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,479
Speaker 2: I think Denzel Burke is making this team, he could

780
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 2: make a run. He could make a run at some

781
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 2: plain time. I would not be shy. Now is he

782
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 2: gonna Is he gonna fall past Max Melton?

783
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 5: No?

784
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 2: I don't think so. But I think Denzel Burke has

785
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 2: a chance to come in and be very competitive.

786
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 3: Oh, Garrett Williams.

787
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 2: Oops, Garret Williams, hello, right off the top.

788
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 5: Can we edit all that out?

789
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 2: Okay? So that make sings a little more once again,

790
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 2: Garret Williams, Berling, Thomas will Johnson. So that's for automatics,

791
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,399
Speaker 2: you have to And then after that there's the likes

792
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 2: of Denzel Burke, Elijah Jones, Key troll, classy easy, I say, relatively.

793
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:28,760
Speaker 2: So there's that, okay. Uh. In terms of the I mean, look,

794
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 2: there were three special teamers last year. Of course it

795
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 2: was the specialist, so you're right, yeah, Joey Blunt I

796
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 2: was gonna throw him in there, and then Keaton Crawford.

797
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 2: I mean, Keaton Crawford is making this team. I would

798
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 2: say he is a special teamer.

799
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 4: You think he is?

800
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 2: Yes, I would say, over JOT, I think they're gonna be.

801
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 2: They're going to there's gonna be DJ Dallas, Joey Blunt,

802
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 2: Keaton Crawford I think will make this team. So they're

803
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 2: keeping the three guys are given to Jeff Rocks, so

804
00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 2: they're keeping five safeties, four quarterbacks. You gotta figure it

805
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 2: out somewhere Darren. That's all I'm saying.

806
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 1: You're figuring out.

807
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 3: I can't do everything, Yes, you can't. What were the

808
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 3: numbers for inside linebacker again?

809
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,320
Speaker 2: Four? There were four a year ago. So you're inside

810
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 2: linebacker room right now. Mac Wilson Senior. Where are we here?

811
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 2: Owen Papo, who, by the way, is a sleeper. We'll

812
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 2: get to that in a later edition of Cardinals Underground.

813
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 2: Michael will Walker, Keen, Davis Gaither, and then Cody Simon.

814
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:28,760
Speaker 3: So that's five.

815
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 5: So hello, people aren't making this team people.

816
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 2: But once again, maybe my biggest takeaway from the off

817
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 2: season is Jonathan Gannon using the words more friction, and

818
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:48,240
Speaker 2: then in his final media session before breaking for the summer,

819
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 2: he elaborated a little bit, said, we want to get

820
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,399
Speaker 2: in pads a little bit more in a safe way.

821
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:59,720
Speaker 2: You know, we have a little more contact, So more friction. Okay.

822
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 2: I would say there's two sides of that one. Anything

823
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 2: and everything you can do to be the most physical

824
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 2: team you can possibly be. Jonathan Gannon wants to be

825
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 2: that team, and there are more physical teams out there,

826
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Speaker 2: as we learned last year when you went against the Lions.

827
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 2: Even the Redskins defensive the commander's defensive front, come holy

828
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 2: go as I'm thinking two steps down the line of

829
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 2: forgetting what I'm saying in the moment. So there's that,

830
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 2: and then I think the other aspect of having a

831
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 2: more competitive camp is so you can figure out who's

832
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 2: making this team. True, it's not as easy as the

833
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 2: last couple of years where there might have been two

834
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 2: or three open positions. Tops you knew pretty much going

835
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 2: in who's coming out of camp. You don't know that

836
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 2: this year. So you better play football to figure out

837
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 2: who's the best football player, especially.

838
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 3: The amount of young players really on the defense. And

839
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,879
Speaker 3: then when you're looking at the depth of offensive line, put

840
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 3: some pads on them and see what you really have

841
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 3: for the mount on the football field. We heard it

842
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 3: from every coach who took to the podium within the

843
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 3: last week or so, right before we broke the last time,

844
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 3: and we will hear from them until training camp, which

845
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 3: is there are some players who really come alive, They

846
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 3: shine when they put the pads on, and there are

847
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,399
Speaker 3: some players who disappear. They look great in what you're

848
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 3: seeing without any sort of that friction throughout OT's and

849
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 3: mini camps, and you put the pads on and you

850
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 3: just lose them.

851
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 2: And I said this on Red Sea Report. I think

852
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 2: the biggest question mark I have, and you guys can

853
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 2: weigh in with yours. The biggest question I have going

854
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 2: into camp would be offensive guard. And you're going to

855
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 2: learn right away where your interior offensive linemen stand when

856
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 2: they're going against Dalvin Tomlinson. This is true, and Kalais

857
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 2: and then the two young first rounders and Darius Robinson,

858
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 2: Walter Nolan, even LJ. Collier and some of those drills

859
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 2: is a handful. I mean he schooled some of the

860
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 2: Cardinals young offensive linemen in last year's camp, LJ. Collier.

861
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 2: So you're gonna know right you'll know whether Isaiah Adams

862
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,760
Speaker 2: can handle the bull rush if he has added strength.

863
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 2: I think, what is it the fifth day camp? You

864
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,720
Speaker 2: can go in pads. Yes, you know again that's appointment

865
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 2: view And just like just like Joey Chestnut, appointment viewing

866
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 2: is the first O line d line, Drew, Let's be honest, agreed.

867
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Speaker 2: You know what isn't appointment viewing? And I'll leave you

868
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,240
Speaker 2: with this is when I have to see the social

869
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 2: media postings by the stinking rams from MAUI I have

870
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 2: half a nerve to block the rams just based on

871
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 2: the Maui social media content.

872
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 3: Silly question. How are they allowed to do that? Is

873
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 3: it in the CBA where just it's it's pretty much

874
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 3: for mini camp wherever the team decides to do it.

875
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 3: That's where the players have to show up. There's nothing

876
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 3: in there about it being your.

877
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 5: Homes as long as I would assume, as long as

878
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Speaker 5: the team's paying everybody's way where they travel.

879
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 3: Okay, So why don't more teams do that?

880
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 5: I don't know.

881
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:44,839
Speaker 4: It's winning behavior on my part.

882
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 2: I may say that I would say, and this is

883
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:55,320
Speaker 2: complete abject speculation. This is the next Frontier you watch.

884
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 2: Teams are going to start selling their mini camps to

885
00:42:58,080 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 2: their international partners.

886
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 3: Similar some teams travel for training camp. You're going to

887
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 3: start traveling.

888
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 2: Bags.

889
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 3: Someone asked for us to go up to Prescott.

890
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:08,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's true.

891
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 2: They did that once upon a time. Em Very Riddle.

892
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 2: Once upon a time.

893
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 5: Oh god, that's a story for another day as well,

894
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 5: Embry Riddle. I stayed in the fine thing. That was

895
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Speaker 5: not winning behavior.

896
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 2: That was uh that was I remember it was Kurt

897
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Speaker 2: Warner and Company that was that team. Embory Riddle Okay.

898
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 5: That was two thousand and five.

899
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 2: Baby, there you go.

900
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 5: Are we are we going to do some winning behavior?

901
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:32,760
Speaker 3: Oh?

902
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 5: My bad?

903
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, I forgot that.

904
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 4: I'm trying to push you in that direction, Paul, my bad.

905
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, I'm sorry, man, I'm fine. On my

906
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 2: I am I already on vacation here, I mean, what's

907
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 2: going on over here?

908
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 5: Okay?

909
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 2: Uh? Yes, indeed it is time, Darren already foreshadowing in

910
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:49,399
Speaker 2: three two one?

911
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 4: Can you display winning behavior?

912
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,760
Speaker 3: You have to consistently display winning behavior.

913
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Speaker 2: That's winning behavior.

914
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 5: You've got to define what winning behavior is and hold

915
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 5: people to that standard.

916
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 2: Yes, all right, I'll start with this one. I think

917
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 2: in this divide in nation, can we all agree that

918
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 2: we hate and everybody hates photo radar? We start with

919
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 2: the show of hands. How about we end with the

920
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:18,919
Speaker 2: war hands?

921
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 3: So what you know?

922
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 2: Who really hates?

923
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 4: You know what photo radar is?

924
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 5: Don't you?

925
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 3: Why are you making me feel bad? What are we

926
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:27,240
Speaker 3: talking about?

927
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 5: Do they not have photo radar in Dallas?

928
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 3: Are you talking about like a red light camera?

929
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 4: Yes?

930
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 3: Oh okay, sure, I've never heard it called that before.

931
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 3: Red light cameras.

932
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 5: Well, but you can also have it for speeding.

933
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 3: Okay, sure, I've just never heard it called that before.

934
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 2: Danny is such a law abiding motorists, she hasn't noticed

935
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Speaker 2: tempee putting in about umptyen more photo radar and red

936
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:51,760
Speaker 2: light cameras everywhere.

937
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,800
Speaker 3: Given the drivers in Arizona, I am actually in favor

938
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 3: of more because everyone in Arizona thinks that yellow means

939
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 3: speed up, and means speed up even faster. And let

940
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 3: me make this turn and cut off everyone who has

941
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 3: a green light waiting on me.

942
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 4: Not waiting behaviors.

943
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, he says.

944
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 2: You know, well, when you're the producer of top Gear,

945
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 2: one of the most well known and famous automotive shows,

946
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 2: if you don't know, just go ahead and search it up. Anyway,

947
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,439
Speaker 2: he's the producer. And he got his license suspended, wait

948
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 2: for it, for driving twenty four miles per hour in

949
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 2: a twenty mile per hour zone. Let's just say in

950
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 2: the UK there's zero tolerance.

951
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 5: So that was on he got that was a camera

952
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 5: that wasn't a.

953
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 2: Cop it was a camera and the camera was set

954
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 2: to like twenty miles per hour, like if you hit

955
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 2: twenty one, you're getting flagged. And because it was his

956
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 2: fourth fourth moving violation in less than two years automatic

957
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:48,280
Speaker 2: suspension of said license.

958
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 3: I did just learn. I didn't realize when you're driving.

959
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 3: I've really only seen these mostly in Scottsdale Paradise Valley area.

960
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 3: For me, like in Texas, it was just the red

961
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,439
Speaker 3: light cameras at an inner section that's where you saw them.

962
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 3: But I guess here in Arizona they have it where

963
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 3: it's like propped up almost on like wheels, kind of

964
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 3: just like telling you the the speed limit. And I

965
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 3: guess they have cameras in those.

966
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 5: Yeah.

967
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 2: Well, there was a former Cardinals quarterback who was a

968
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 2: rookie and let's just say once camp broke from Flagstaff,

969
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 2: he was then commuting from his place in the North

970
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 2: Valley down to the Cardinals practice facility and it was

971
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 2: long the one on one back when the one oh

972
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 2: one had several red light cameras, and let's just say

973
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 2: he was unaware and uh got nailed pretty good. He

974
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 2: got several, multiple of them male over the course of

975
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 2: one month until he realized, hey, wait a minute, I

976
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 2: was doing the same speed every morning for how many

977
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:45,839
Speaker 2: days in a row, and every single day you got

978
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 2: a ticket? All right, what else do we have in

979
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 2: the winning behavior? Sea Dog's tickets. Someone's gonna have to

980
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 2: explain that.

981
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 4: One's my anecdote.

982
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 3: Uh.

983
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 5: The wife and I are talking about taking a couple

984
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,720
Speaker 5: of days going to Portland sooner rather than later before

985
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 5: we get to the season, and she said, hey, let's

986
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 5: go to a minor league baseball game. So she looked

987
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 5: up to Portland Sea Dogs and she was like looking

988
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 5: it up, and I was getting she almost bought the tickets,

989
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 5: but then we got it kind of irritated because for

990
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 5: some reason, this even if you buy tickets like right

991
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 5: on like first row by the dugout, it's still general

992
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 5: admission high high problem with that. So anyways, I'm sitting

993
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 5: there and we're mulling whether we want to spend the

994
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 5: money to go do this thing. And I'm like, so,

995
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 5: tell me who the the Sea Dogs are an affilly

996
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 5: of She's like the Red Sox. I'm like, okay, that

997
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 5: Red Sox are. Who do they play? Oh it's the

998
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,240
Speaker 5: yard Goats, Oh the yard which I got very excited

999
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 5: about it. I wanted to see the yard Goats.

1000
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:44,919
Speaker 4: Where's her? Where's the yard Goats? Where do they play?

1001
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 4: That's Hartford.

1002
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 5: I'm like, I'm like, that's that really is wild wild,

1003
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 5: like you're you're First of all, I'm surprised that the

1004
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 5: Red Sox have a team in Portland. And secondly, I'm

1005
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 5: surprised there Hartford, some minor league team is going to

1006
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 5: fly out to Portland to go do this. And it

1007
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 5: hit me like a ton of bricks. And I'm like, Chris,

1008
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 5: did you buy the tickets yet? No? What is this Portland,

1009
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 5: Oregon that these this team plays in. I don't know.

1010
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 5: Let me look, it was Portland, Maine. Thank god she

1011
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 5: didn't buy the tickets. I would not have been able

1012
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 5: to make it. Now, it turns out there is a

1013
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 5: minor league team half hour outside of Portland, the Hillsboro Hops,

1014
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 5: who happened to be a Diamondbacks team. Sure, so we

1015
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 5: will be going to see Hillsboro Hops.

1016
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 3: You know what I like about that story is very

1017
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 3: close to when this was all happening. Just before, I

1018
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 3: had been talking to Darren about vacations and he had

1019
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,800
Speaker 3: said to me, yeah, we're thinking of going to Portland,

1020
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,359
Speaker 3: And I said, oh, Oregon or Maine, and he gives

1021
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 3: me this look that says, why on earth would anybody

1022
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 3: want to go to Portland, Maine. I'm obviously talking about Portland, Oregon.

1023
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 5: I don't think that's quite what I said, but pretty

1024
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 5: much what you said.

1025
00:48:56,200 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 3: With your eyes and lo and behold, this is what happens.

1026
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 4: She's reading my eyes again.

1027
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, it's a former Oregon resident. I've covered my

1028
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,359
Speaker 2: share of Oregon minor league baseball. So make it happen,

1029
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 2: Darren Hill or whatever you know, the medfordays. You know

1030
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 2: you can. Okay, let's see here. What else? Oh, speaking

1031
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 2: of baseball, Cardinals rookie Walter Nolan the third throughout the

1032
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 2: first pitch didn't bounce. It didn't bounce it. Of course,

1033
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 2: I will say, you know what, it was better than

1034
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,720
Speaker 2: Trey McBride, noted high school baseball player in this regard,

1035
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 2: Trey McBride stood about fifteen feet from the catcher. Like,

1036
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 2: come on, Trey, it means one thing to not get

1037
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:35,959
Speaker 2: on the mound.

1038
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 4: Here's the problem.

1039
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 2: At least get in the dirt at the front of

1040
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 2: the mound. Come on, now, not.

1041
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 5: Allowed to They aren't allowing the Diamondbacks. Aren't You have

1042
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 5: to like be within like whatever? That short that's why

1043
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 5: Nolan was so close. You're not allowed to go stand

1044
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 5: anywhere near the mountain.

1045
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:54,359
Speaker 2: Really, Yeah, why they're trying to cut down the risk

1046
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 2: factor of that ball getting.

1047
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 5: I'm guessing it as there has more to do with like, okay,

1048
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 5: we're an artificial turf, but if you go up on

1049
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 5: the mound, that's actually been all.

1050
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 2: Right, I got you.

1051
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 4: I'm assuming that's what it is.

1052
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 5: I'm just happy that uh Nolan got it to the

1053
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,800
Speaker 5: because I think he said he had never actually played

1054
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 5: baseball and really thrown a baseball, So.

1055
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, well it didn't stop fifty cent back in

1056
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:19,240
Speaker 2: the day.

1057
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 5: Or Taylor Lewan who did it a couple of weeks

1058
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 5: ago Andrew terrible and then tweeted it out and said,

1059
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 5: this was worse than my Chandler Jones game when he

1060
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,760
Speaker 5: gave up like five sacks to Chandler Jones.

1061
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 2: You know it's bad because I was on the sideline

1062
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 2: and the epic Chandler Jones five sack game when the

1063
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 2: entire Cardinals sideline is yelling out, why are they not

1064
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 2: giving Taylor Lawan any hell the Chandler Jones, Like, coach,

1065
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 2: can I get back out there. I want to get six, seven.

1066
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 4: And eight Chaparral's own Taylor Lawan baby.

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Speaker 2: That'll do it. For this edition of Cardinal's Underground brought

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Speaker 2: to you by the Civic Office Automation