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Speaker 1: Welcome back.

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Speaker 2: All the smoke were out here in Sacramento, California with

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Speaker 2: the Kings for training camp.

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Speaker 1: It sir, and right now, man, we got a good one.

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Speaker 2: We got the reigning NBA Coach of the Year. Only

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Speaker 2: is it the only unanimous coach of the Year in

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Speaker 2: the history of the game.

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Speaker 3: I think so.

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Speaker 1: God damn, Mike, that's a hell of a title. Guy,

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Speaker 1: you know our history.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show, Mike Brown, Sir, thanks for being

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Speaker 2: I appreciate y'all for sure. Man, you were a part

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Speaker 2: of something that was really big for this city.

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Speaker 1: You broke the sixteen year drought.

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Speaker 2: You came here, you brought a lot of energy, and

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Speaker 2: you brought just a whole new confidence and comfortability, might

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Speaker 2: I say for the team, for the city. What was

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Speaker 2: your first year like here in Sacramento?

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Speaker 3: It was It was unbelievable. It was unbelievable. I met you.

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Speaker 3: You know the vibe when it comes to Kings here

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Speaker 3: because you've spent a lot of time here, whether it

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Speaker 3: was with the team or not with the team, and

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Speaker 3: these people they breathe and live this tame. I mean,

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Speaker 3: you know, sixteen years they didn't go to playoffs, but

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Speaker 3: they still hurt from that year after year after year

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Speaker 3: after year, and so for us to break the drought,

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Speaker 3: have the fans engaged again and be as excited as

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Speaker 3: they were and are. It's just it's just a great feeling,

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Speaker 3: a fantastic feeling for all of us, you know, And

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Speaker 3: it's more than basketball. When you see people's face light

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Speaker 3: up when they're talking to about playoffs.

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Speaker 4: And energy, I'm just saying the keys every year.

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Speaker 2: Hey, send your comments to him, that's my guy. But

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Speaker 2: send your comments to Steven Jesse Jackson's how's life?

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: Obviously making the playoffs is good enough. I know you

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Speaker 2: well enough to know that, But how was your first

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Speaker 2: off season here? And did you get to do anything

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Speaker 2: outside of kind of how do we get better for

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Speaker 2: next year?

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Speaker 3: You know, it's got a chance to enjoy the city. Actually,

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Speaker 3: I'm not a guy that goes boating, you know, because

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Speaker 3: I got the water and I went to Lake Folsom. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I went up to Lakes God at little couple of

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Speaker 3: getting to know the city and the people in the

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Speaker 3: been a good time in the summer. The only thing

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Speaker 3: that I didn't get a chance to do. I'm a boy.

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Speaker 3: I got two Harley's. I didn't get a chance to

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Speaker 3: hop on my Harleys and there's some great riding in

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Speaker 3: this area and I ain't get a chance to do

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Speaker 3: that that.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna have a plenty of years here. You're gonna

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Speaker 1: be able to knock that out.

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Speaker 3: La Oh, I love it.

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Speaker 2: How do you reflect on last year's seven game battle

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Speaker 2: with Golden State? You know, obviously coming from Golden State

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Speaker 2: playing them in the first round of the playoffs. To me,

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Speaker 2: I thought, as someone who loves the game, watches the

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Speaker 2: learned so much from that that's going to pay off

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Speaker 2: this year. But how do you, as obviously the head coach,

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Speaker 3: But the first thing is you said a little earlier,

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Speaker 3: you know, I wasn't I'm not in this thing, and

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Speaker 3: I think our guys understand that too, and they feel

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Speaker 3: the same. We're not in it to make the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: You know, people may think that this is bold or whatever,

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Speaker 3: but we're trying to win a championship. That's what we're

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Speaker 3: competing for. And people talk about, well, the pressure's on

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Speaker 3: this year. I ain't no pressure because we expect to

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Speaker 3: win a championship. That's what we're fighting for. So it's

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Speaker 3: no different for us this year than what it is

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Speaker 3: last year or going forward. Having said all that, you know, again,

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Speaker 3: the disappointment of losing, especially losing the first round, it

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Speaker 3: was tough. It took a little bit to get over.

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Speaker 3: But you're right, Steve Kurr is a great coach. They

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Speaker 3: got a lot of great players there with Steph Klay

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Speaker 3: and at the time, they're the World champs. So to

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Speaker 3: great for US. State suggest our offense a little bit.

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Speaker 3: You know. Historically we had the number one offense in

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Speaker 3: that I think can help us going forward defensively. That's

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Speaker 3: why I was most concerned. But our guys did step up.

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Speaker 3: They took it to a level that I wasn't sure

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Speaker 3: at the end of the day. And so now they

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 3: We can't wait till the playoffs. Like we finished twenty

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Speaker 3: fifth in the league defensively, so we can't wait till

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Speaker 3: the playoffs to take that step. It's got to happen yesterday,

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Speaker 3: it in a shooting around, a practice and or a game.

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Speaker 2: You were right in the middle of those Golden State

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Speaker 2: championship runs. You know you spoke to obviously what you

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Speaker 3: Man, I tell you what Steve Kerr. You know, Pop

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Speaker 3: best messengers I've been around. And you know, as a

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Speaker 3: How do you want to call it? To be able

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Speaker 3: to be a head coach at a young age and

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Speaker 3: all all about okay, hard work, hard work, hard work,

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Speaker 3: you know, and if you work hard and you outwork everybody,

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Speaker 3: everything else will fall into place. But it's more to

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Speaker 3: for a number of years he coached every day. I

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Speaker 3: that's on point, crazy, you know it's and it's so

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Speaker 3: thing I learned, is the messaging as aspect to the team.

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Speaker 3: How important it is, you know, because I didn't take

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Speaker 3: That's something that I learned from Steve as well as

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Speaker 3: a few other things.

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Speaker 4: Was this the same thing Dion doing the message Guys

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Speaker 1: Right, So that's the message, right Jack.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know. I don't know Coach Pryan, I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna call him coach at first, but he earned that

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Speaker 3: first win at TCU and I text him and I

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Speaker 3: and all I said in my message was I'm so

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Speaker 3: hyped watching this game. Not because y'all won, and one

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Speaker 3: in the way y'all won, But when I watched the

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Speaker 1: Feel that stands out. I mean, and I don't know

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Speaker 2: You know, I've been here for three years working, you know,

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Speaker 2: wanted to give you credit for that because I've personally

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Speaker 1: You brought it directly to me if it wasn't me.

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Speaker 2: See it, but you know, just to kind of give

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Speaker 3: I appreciate. I appreciate you know. One of the things

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Speaker 3: And in port of one in the day is number

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Speaker 3: And the last one is continuing to form that belief

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Speaker 3: They don't have to always see it her here, but

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Speaker 3: to me. So I got to bring it too. I

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Speaker 1: And you hand me that you know what Winnen live like.

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Speaker 4: See, that's The thing though, that's that that's a as

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Speaker 4: a player to have a coach coming here only that

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Speaker 4: I know I can have a relationship with them. But

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Speaker 4: you know what winning looked like. So it's easy to

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Speaker 4: respect that because that's what we're all trying to go.

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Speaker 1: We're all trying to get this.

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Speaker 2: You guys brought your core back and obviously beating in

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Speaker 2: the media. Some people are sacramented to make a ton

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Speaker 2: they got, they're building what they got. You resigned the bonus.

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Speaker 2: You brought the rest of your core back. You have

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Speaker 2: But you know, obviously expectations are a championship. But talk

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Speaker 3: I like that. I like that ship. To get Keegan

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Speaker 3: So let these guys grow, for sure, a second year,

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Speaker 2: Speaking the key, and I want to speak to this

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Speaker 3: And he has the capability of doing it, you know,

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Speaker 4: I remember I was in San Antonio when I first

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Speaker 4: You know, you know, it's just a pe and me,

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 1: We come and get you. Keep you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: Then I end up starting to win, you know what

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Speaker 4: So all that's when he said that to people, he

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Speaker 2: Now, he's credited you a lot of a lot of

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Speaker 4: This might be this week, but a lot of y'all

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Speaker 6: With Mike Brown that I'm gonna take it a step

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Speaker 3: And obviously tynans Town, I'm not taking nothing away from that,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but I knew you RC beautiful pop tim that Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Papovich speaking us first Papovich Series, You need three stars

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna put the pressure on.

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Speaker 1: You to say no.

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Speaker 3: We We had a practice last week and he played

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Speaker 3: So you do, you figure it out, You do what.

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Speaker 3: He got to earn it. He got the chance to

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Speaker 1: I see it. I see it.

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Speaker 3: First of all, as you know, it's a true man

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Speaker 3: Because because Luke had the gym going. The gym was rocket.

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Speaker 3: And man and you, Tim and David they were like, yes.

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Speaker 3: From that time on, yeah, nobody nobody said nothing to

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Speaker 3: And he as soon as he hear that horror, he

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Speaker 3: oh ship, okay, okay, I don't have to deal with this.

438
00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,960
Speaker 3: So Pop Pop ain't even look at him now, okay,

439
00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:53,480
Speaker 3: Jack walking just looking at Pop looking at the action.

440
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,680
Speaker 3: Jack walking to the soon as he passed the coaches,

441
00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:03,439
Speaker 3: I know it's my job. I get so, I go

442
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:07,040
Speaker 3: down to the end. I get my curse up. The

443
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,200
Speaker 3: fun that he beat out of you. There you go,

444
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 3: there's about ham. So I sit there, I get cursed out.

445
00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:17,800
Speaker 3: Then I'm like, okay, done. Then if he ain't done,

446
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 3: he'll keep going. But if he's done, if I say yeah,

447
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:22,600
Speaker 3: I'm done, I said okay, now now that is what

448
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,800
Speaker 3: you need to do. And after he take a breath,

449
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 3: after he takes a breath, he know what's right, what's wrong.

450
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,080
Speaker 3: He relaxed for a second. Then he go back out

451
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 3: there and if he and if it was bad enough,

452
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 3: he goes, let me get it out. And you know

453
00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:01,159
Speaker 3: what it was bad? Yeah, it's just a testament to

454
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,680
Speaker 3: this heart. If he was wrong, he'd be the first

455
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 3: and not just not just to one person, like the

456
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 3: whole group. He goes he gonna go from a whole group.

457
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 4: And because I didn't know no better, I didn't know.

458
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:16,639
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. I was still learning. I

459
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 4: was knowing how to be a professional. You know what

460
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 4: I'm saying. I was on a team with a whole

461
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 4: bunch of guys who are the ultimate professional. I'm still learning,

462
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. So, but that was a

463
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 4: culture shock to go from New Jersey where you had

464
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 4: a whole bunch of guys who on their way out,

465
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:31,879
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, Sherman Douglas. Then I go

466
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 4: to a team where you got stars like Tim Duncan,

467
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:39,680
Speaker 4: Dedack Robinson. But this is an organization that that's uh, everything.

468
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 1: Is about winning. It feels like a championship here.

469
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:42,920
Speaker 4: So it was a different It was a culture shock

470
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 4: for me, but it was a great It was the

471
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:46,640
Speaker 4: best thing for me because if I went anywhere.

472
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 1: Else, I wouldn't have lasted that long.

473
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 4: But since we talk about it, it just resurfaced of

474
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 4: me calling off my wedding.

475
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 1: My boy was there, Yeah, Mike was there. So you

476
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 1: came all the way from nothing to Michael was holding

477
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 1: me down, holding me down. You know I was in

478
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 1: the crime.

479
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,119
Speaker 4: I remember, I remember this Vivili bro Uh when I

480
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 4: called the web now, I was to be honest, all

481
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 4: joke de side. I was really hurt, Bro, and he

482
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 4: know I loved that girl and I was really wanted

483
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 4: to be married for me to take that step, but

484
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:21,919
Speaker 4: this is what I remember vividly, and that's why I

485
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 4: love him. And Mike Bibby's mama. I was in the crime,

486
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,719
Speaker 4: like hard down, cryme, Mike will be. Mom came in

487
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,679
Speaker 4: there and WAPs wipes not until the way with her

488
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 4: bare hands and told me you became a man today.

489
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 4: And he came right behind her and said the same thing.

490
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. I was and you I

491
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 4: was what twenty three twenty four at the time. Yeah,

492
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 4: and I came straight up out of it, you know

493
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. And that meant a lot, because if

494
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 4: I didn't have him have them there that day, I

495
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 4: don't know how I would have made it out of that.

496
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:52,399
Speaker 4: You know, people can talk all this shit. Yeah, you

497
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,159
Speaker 4: was a man. You did what you're supposed to do.

498
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 1: But I was hurt, Bro. I was hurt for a

499
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 1: long time because I actually wanted to be married. You

500
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 1: know another, the best thing for you definitely was definitely

501
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 1: was in my pockets. Got it serious? I mean obviously

502
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 1: getting back to how important Mike and instrumental got too

503
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:18,400
Speaker 1: many stories. I'm gonna keep navigating, y'all.

504
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 2: Throw y'all, Michael was one of three people then help

505
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:22,879
Speaker 2: you get back in the league.

506
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 1: Can you guys both speak to that?

507
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 2: This is after obviously after the brawl Indiana.

508
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:33,959
Speaker 4: I started so after San Antonio, I wanted my big contract.

509
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 1: We won championship.

510
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 4: I felt like I deserved a big contract because, like

511
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 4: Mike said, they didn't look at like that.

512
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 1: But I carried a lot of games.

513
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 4: Game six in the West commerce Finals, we don't win

514
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 4: that game if I don't carry. It's the first three quarters,

515
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 4: so a lot. I was thinking like that in my head,

516
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 4: but I didn't know the business as well. You know

517
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying. So if

518
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 4: I could rewind back, I would have took that three year,

519
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 4: ten year, three years, ten million dollars because I've been

520
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 4: on a championship team. I probably won two more championship

521
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 4: then always got a crazy bag that seeing all of that,

522
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 4: but I didn't understand the best of the time. So

523
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 4: I was upset with them not getting my bag. So

524
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 4: I had to go to Atlanta for one year to

525
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 4: prove myself. I'm betting on you. I bet on myself

526
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 4: today in front of ahitnybody, I'm betting on me. And

527
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 4: I went down, balled out. But I had this in

528
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 4: my mind that I didn't get my big contract. But

529
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,959
Speaker 4: I knew I had Mike and Rick and and uh

530
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:20,880
Speaker 4: Indiana that was.

531
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 1: Interested in me.

532
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 4: I had no idea I was gonna get a contract

533
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 4: from him, but I knew they were interested, and I

534
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 4: knew I had a relationship with him, so I knew

535
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 4: go to Atlanta and ball out. Sure, ships think got

536
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 4: ball out in Atlanta. They have another mid level exception available,

537
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 4: and Donnie Walsh was high on me by there too,

538
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,679
Speaker 4: And I remember Mike tell them like, we're gonna We're

539
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 4: gonna get you over here. And that's how it worked

540
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 4: out for me going to Indiana end up getting the

541
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:44,199
Speaker 4: biggest contract I've had.

542
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 1: That's my guy.

543
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,880
Speaker 2: Now fast forward to and thanks to you, I went

544
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 2: around for it. Yeah, I was run for Fast forward

545
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 2: to the brawl.

546
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 1: Yeah that that was crazy man like.

547
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 4: So so the BRA situation was crazy because it seemed

548
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 4: like it happened from I'm getting Larry Barry calling me

549
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 4: telling me that I'm signing a big deal with Indiana,

550
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 4: and it seemed like.

551
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:06,199
Speaker 1: The brawl happened the next day.

552
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 4: In my mind, that's how you know what I'm saying,

553
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 4: because I was that happened soon as I got there.

554
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 4: In my mind, I was in the position, Matt, where

555
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 4: we're gonna win a championship.

556
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 1: Y'all was loaded. Nobody beating us, bro nobody beating us.

557
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 4: You know, we had Ridge on the court, but our

558
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 4: lineup was Jamal me at the two, run at the three,

559
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 4: Jeff Foster at the four, Jamaine Ain't nobody beating at

560
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,880
Speaker 4: five at that time on both y'all lost.

561
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 1: Y'all can fight too, you know what I'm saying. We

562
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: was that type of team. Yeah, I can dig it.

563
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 4: So and at the time we beaten everybody like fourteen

564
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 4: to five or something at the time, probably I think

565
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 4: so I'm not privy to you know, I'm not privy

566
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 4: to the beef from the previous with Eastern Conference.

567
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 3: Finals, So.

568
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: I'm sure he wasn't.

569
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 4: Surprised when I went the stands behind wrong because that's

570
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 4: just how I am.

571
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 3: You know what I say, That's what I said earlier.

572
00:27:56,119 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 3: He ain't about the team. I'm lawyer, and you know

573
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 3: sometimes it could be talked to a far right exactly.

574
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 3: That's just that's who he is.

575
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: And when he went I didn't think twice the game

576
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: was over.

577
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 4: You know, we could talk about it now because people

578
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 4: willing to look it down and slow down the frames.

579
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 4: When I first win the stands, I didn't throw a punch.

580
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 4: Me and Mike got to run at the same time.

581
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 4: We both grabbed him. What made me throw that punch

582
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 4: was another beer was throwing it wrong face, So that's

583
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 4: what made me click.

584
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: If anybody look at it, I had no intentions.

585
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 4: I ran by thirty people and got to run, so

586
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 4: I had no intentions on hit nobody. But when the

587
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 4: second beer came, I felt like it was just it

588
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 4: was just too disrespectful that and that's what happened.

589
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: But this is the funny part. What we don't talk about.

590
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 4: This motherfucker went off after the game, so doing the scuffling,

591
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 4: somebody fucking around the elbow.

592
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 1: Here bus just lit. So we're in the locker room.

593
00:28:51,040 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 3: We all Mike meething hold On, come.

594
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: Rick so read it came coming there.

595
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, mother, we kind of breaking out Jamaine.

596
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 4: They were grabbed un everybody they came in and going on.

597
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 4: So it came to one point with Jamain stood up.

598
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 3: Chap with the coach because he got hit the mamo.

599
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. So it was the emotions

600
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 4: were highest the time, but I knew that like yesterday, dog,

601
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 4: the emotions was high.

602
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 3: And it was not till until they came in and said, okay,

603
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 3: we're gonna rest. Remember they said they gonna rest two

604
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:50,719
Speaker 3: players and one coach was like.

605
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 4: Jail. He got serious. It got serious. He got serious

606
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 4: when they came to Baron, killed the whole everything. When

607
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,239
Speaker 4: he asked him, was we gonna get in trouble? When

608
00:29:58,280 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 4: he said that, brought the whole locker room like.

609
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 1: In trouble.

610
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 5: But you ain't playing no more this year. That we'll

611
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 5: be all day. We'll be here all day, all day.

612
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 5: But I love you, Mike. I never I never got

613
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 5: a chance to tell you this.

614
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 4: Don't camera publicly, but you know how my mom and

615
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 4: how I feel about you. How from the opportunities you

616
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 4: gave me to San Antonio to where you embraced me

617
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 4: as like a little brother in the somewhere. I was

618
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 4: in the league to be able to tutor me, and

619
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 4: even when I wasn't playing on your team, you still

620
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 4: made phone calls and make sure I was straight, still

621
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 4: checked on me. So that meant a lot to me,

622
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 4: because you know, badly, making into the league and the

623
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 4: road I took, you didn't have that many coaches that

624
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 4: actually cared about me or my family or to come

625
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 4: to my web too, leagues like that. So you made

626
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 4: it a point to show me that you cared about me.

627
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 4: Probably played for you. So I love you forever and

628
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 4: I appreciate everything coach.

629
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 3: To man, and I can say the same for you

630
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 3: in a lot of different instances. More poorly though, the

631
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 3: times you showed up Saturday morning to support my boys when.

632
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 1: They had a hug. They had a hug. Today, I'm like,

633
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: how you know him?

634
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 2: I started thinking, like nice embrace.

635
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, yeah, that's dope, sir.

636
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 4: Let's jump back up to your upbringing. Pop was in

637
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 4: the Air Force. He was always moving around. How was

638
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 4: that born a clubs of how you're in bouncing around?

639
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 4: How was that growing up?

640
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 3: It was? It was cool from the standpoint I experienced

641
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 3: a lot of different cultures early on, and so it

642
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 3: helped me, uh, going to a lot of different situations

643
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 3: not afraid or at ease because I was in them

644
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 3: types of situations all the time growing up, you know,

645
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 3: constantly moving, you know, because your dad's in the air force.

646
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 3: So you got to figure out, Okay, how do I

647
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 3: fit in when I get to this school, How do

648
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 3: I make friends when I get to this school. How

649
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 3: do I adjust to this culture and being in Germany. Yeah,

650
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 3: you go to school with Americans because you're going to

651
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 3: school on base and all that, but you're still living

652
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 3: in the German community at times, you're still interacting because

653
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 3: you're going off bas with the German. So again, it

654
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 3: just helped me get more culture at an earlier age,

655
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 3: which translated to a lot of stuff for me even

656
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 3: even in my coaching career.

657
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: Any did you learn to speak the language?

658
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 3: I spoke fairly well back then. I mean I can

659
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 3: get you know, I can ask where you live right now?

660
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 3: How old are you? But you know, I'm dating myself

661
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 3: at that I was back then. I was back in

662
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty eight, you know, when I was back there

663
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 3: speaking it. So it's been a minute.

664
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 4: Growing up in the military environment. Does that have a

665
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 4: lot to do with the man you are today?

666
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 3: Yes, And I said it earlier. You know my coaching style.

667
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 3: You know again, fortunately blessed, lucky you have you want

668
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 3: to call it, to get an opportunity at a young age.

669
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 3: But I, at a young age, I was disciplined. I

670
00:32:56,080 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 3: was really disciplined and in my opinion, organized, and and

671
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 3: you know when I first got in the league, I

672
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 3: was sleeping in my office. I thought it was the

673
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 3: best thing in the world because, you know, I go

674
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 3: down sleep in the training room. I wake up, You

675
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 3: got your showers there, you throwing a pair of shorts

676
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 3: and you you clicking you back at work. So my

677
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 3: work ethic was off the charge. And I and I

678
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 3: credit it. I credit a lot of that to my dad.

679
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 3: My dad. You know, he was an enlisted guy, but

680
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 3: but he you know, his his stuff was pressed every day. Uh,

681
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 3: and there were times he didn't want to be in

682
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 3: be in the military, but you know, he did it.

683
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 3: He did it with his head held high, and he

684
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 3: was organized and disciplaining all that, and he instilled a

685
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 3: lot of that in me that I carried over to

686
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 3: my my life in my direction my goals that I

687
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 3: had in mind for myself.

688
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 4: You were basketball and football star. How did how did

689
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 4: you get into those sports? Again?

690
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 3: My dad, my dad, he was he loved sports, and

691
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 3: so all of us, you know, there's four of us,

692
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 3: my self, my older sister who she played softball growing up.

693
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 3: She's actually stopped and you know, going to college. She's

694
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 3: real smart. Got an academic scholarship to Boston University. Then

695
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,320
Speaker 3: my younger brother, who played five years in the NFL,

696
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 3: and then my younger sister who played Division one basketball.

697
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 3: My dad just started as early. He was one of

698
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 3: those fathers that was around a lot of times he

699
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 3: coached us, you know, and and because he was passionate

700
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 3: about it. You know how it is, man, if you're

701
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,919
Speaker 3: especially if your dad, if your dad's passionate about something

702
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 3: and you're and you're younger, a lot of times you're

703
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 3: gonna fall into that and you're gonna be passionate about it.

704
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 3: So so that was that was that. It was mainly

705
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 3: because of because of him and his love for the game.

706
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 4: Bernie Bigger, Staff, David Fizdale, Hank Egan, Coach Egan, my guy,

707
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 4: Chris Grant, Ed Musselman talk about the influence US crazy San.

708
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: Diego and his influence. So they be a San Diego.

709
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 3: Oh man, there was a there's a lot of US

710
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:06,800
Speaker 3: out there U s D.

711
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, my U C l A is there now, Yeah,

712
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 1: he's there.

713
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 3: Uh you know, I think uh uh A lot has

714
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 3: to do with it, because you know, we went to

715
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,399
Speaker 3: us D and and and we knew we couldn't play,

716
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 3: so we have we had to figure out some other

717
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 3: path to get to the.

718
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 4: Very important Yeah, you know, so so we wanted to get.

719
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 3: To the league. We got to figure out how we

720
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 3: get the league because it wasn't gonna because we could play,

721
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 3: you know at the time, but another guy, James Brago,

722
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 3: James Brago USD. But so it started. You know, I

723
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 3: played there. Never forget. I was about to go on

724
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 3: my last trip as a player on the team. Stopped

725
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 3: by Coach Egan's office. It was on he got a

726
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 3: coffee table in there. There's a us D magazine and

727
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 3: on the cover is a picture of Bernie Bickerstaff and

728
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 3: I'm like, WHOA. I started reading it because Bernie was kind

729
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 3: of at the time, he was my idol because here's

730
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 3: an African American that was a head coach and a

731
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 3: GM already, but he never played in the league, and

732
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 3: so I'm like reading this and I'm like, he went

733
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 3: to USD. Hey, you know, because Bernie from the rural

734
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 3: area Kentucky and his route to get to USD was

735
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 3: crazy in itself, and so that blew my mind. So

736
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 3: that even made me, it even drew me closer to him,

737
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 3: although he didn't know me and I didn't know just

738
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 3: from Afar. So I asked, I asked coaching, and I said, hey,

739
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 3: do you know anybody in the NBA can get an

740
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 3: internship with? Because I still had took me four and

741
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 3: a half years of graduating, so I had to come

742
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 3: back for a half a semester. And he said, yeah,

743
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 3: I know Larry Brown because Hank was at Air Force

744
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 3: Academy when Larry was the head coach and the Nuggets,

745
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 3: and he should come down there for training camp. And

746
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 3: he goes, I know Bernie Pickers. I said, you know Bernie,

747
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 3: He said yeah. I said, can you ask for an internship?

748
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 3: He said yeah. So I did summer internship, which turned

749
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 3: into a job offer as a video coordinator, and that's

750
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 3: how I got in the league. And then once I

751
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 3: got in the League. You know, this is back in

752
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 3: the day where we had the VHS tapes back the

753
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 3: deck and then we had the big satellite dish and

754
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 3: we had to plug in the coordinates to try to

755
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 3: get the games. And uh, and I was the only

756
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,240
Speaker 3: guy in the video room. And so when they finally

757
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 3: let me get help in the video room, I adn't

758
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 3: really know nobody, so I just was calling on my

759
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 3: ex teammate. Chris Grant came in and turned for me.

760
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 3: Neil Meyer came in turn for David Fizdale when he

761
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 3: tried to get the business. We played it so Eric

762
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 3: Sposter and I played against each other. He was at

763
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 3: University of Portland and I was at USD. Now we

764
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 3: was better than him. We start each other, you know,

765
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,959
Speaker 3: we don't put that on record, but but he's still

766
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 3: my guy, you know. And and so when David Fizdale

767
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 3: was getting league, we called Spoe and said, hey, we

768
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 3: got the shy. So they didn't even know each other.

769
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 3: So Spoe took him on because Spoe was in the

770
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 3: video room. And then it just started growing from there.

771
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: You know, that's really great.

772
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, assistant coach under bigger staff, under Pop, under Rick

773
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,439
Speaker 2: Carlisle obviously three guys that made their mark as head

774
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 2: coaches in this league real quick.

775
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 1: One thing you learned from each of.

776
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 3: Them, very big staff. I thought he was he was

777
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 3: his feel for players. You know, you talk about the

778
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 3: players coach. In my opinion, it's burning pop. He was

779
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:33,399
Speaker 3: a guy that, in my opinion, made everybody one through

780
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 3: fifteen plus everybody in the front office, everybody on the staff,

781
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 3: even the janitors feel like when they wanted, they were

782
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 3: all a part of part of it. Every everybody was

783
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 3: a part of it. I don't know how he did it.

784
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 3: I still try to duplicate that, but he was amazing

785
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 3: in that area. Rick Carlile details and he's one of

786
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 3: the smartest. Yes, he is methodical about the details. And

787
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 3: it's just because he is. He's a smart, smart individual

788
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 3: that's retely smartest.

789
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: Really dope.

790
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 2: Uh, you land your first job in two thousand and

791
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 2: five as a head coach at just thirty five, very young,

792
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,800
Speaker 2: and being a black coach at that young at that time, did.

793
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 1: You feel like you were ready? Had you had enough

794
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 1: bumps and bruises yet or.

795
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 3: I mean, I'd never go back on it. I'm gonna

796
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 3: keep taking that paycheck, right, But if I was keeping

797
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:28,720
Speaker 3: it real. No, And that's that even though we had success,

798
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 3: we had a lot of success because we had Lebron James.

799
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 3: Now he was still learning and growing too, but he

800
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,839
Speaker 3: made my job a lot lot easier and I and

801
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 3: you know, when I look back on it now, I

802
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 3: look at some of these young coaches now, like like

803
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 3: Missoula and some of the other guys, and I'm just

804
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 3: amazed because the pressure now is even so much more

805
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 3: so than back there because of the social media and

806
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 3: all the other access that we give you guys now,

807
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 3: you know, to us, and so the jobs that they

808
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 3: do are a lot harder than when I first got

809
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 3: the job. And I'm watching them, I watching my interviews,

810
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 3: I watch them on the sideline and all that, and

811
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 3: I'm I'm just amazed at them. There was a lot

812
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 3: that I still needed to learn, but I was fortunately, blessed,

813
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 3: lucky to be able to have the job at the

814
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 3: time and the tape bumps and bruises experience, yes sir, yes, sir,

815
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 3: and which in turn has helped me be a better coach.

816
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 3: To that.

817
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 2: One word to describe twenty one year old Lebron James,

818
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 2: who that's it right now?

819
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 3: I take that. That's it. That's it. Come from off

820
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 3: the court, on the court to his body, to how

821
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 3: he takes everything his mind one at twenty one.

822
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 1: So this ain't even on the rundown.

823
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 2: But I'm thinking now that I see because we're gonna

824
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 2: talk about the finals, the run you guys made to

825
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 2: the finals against Detroit when he went nuts.

826
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: That was that year, right to get you guys there?

827
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: What was that like?

828
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 3: The thing that I remember most vividly is is, you know,

829
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,320
Speaker 3: I had a great staff back then, and Mike Malone,

830
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 3: who I think one of the best coaches I love,

831
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 3: on my staff, and I'll never forget Detroit called the

832
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 3: time out. You see all the coaches go to the

833
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 3: free throw line and huddle up real quick, and then

834
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 3: they go in they say what they gotta say. And

835
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 3: I was young, Mike was young, and we had Hank

836
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 3: was the guy that kept us studying. But this the

837
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 3: one time, this one time I kept us study. So

838
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 3: we go and we start talking and Mike's like, hey,

839
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:56,720
Speaker 3: we gotta we gotta do this offensively. I said, whoha.

840
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 3: I said, no, no, no, no, no, we ain't fun with

841
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 3: Lebron right sit right here, and we're gonna wait until

842
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 3: the buzz is about to sound, and I'm going there,

843
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 3: say my one, two, three, and let them get back

844
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 3: out on the floor. And so I went back in

845
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 3: the huddle and Lebron was saying something. I just stood

846
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 3: there listen. Then they turned and looked at me. I said,

847
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 3: I didn't want to say nothing to that.

848
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 2: Incredible in the finals, you're running up against your old boss,

849
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 2: Greg Popovich. Obviously san Antonio comes up on top of

850
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 2: What did you learn about yourself at that point?

851
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 3: Man? I learned a lot. It's tough. We played one

852
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 3: one way the whole year, offensively, and my whole philosophy

853
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 3: going into that situation was, if I can get these

854
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 3: guys to defend at the highest of high levels, having

855
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 3: a talent like Lebron, at the end of the game,

856
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 3: he's gonna make enough plays to where we're gonna have

857
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 3: a chance to win because we believe in our defense

858
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 3: that much and Lebron is that good offensively, and so

859
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 3: we played a lot of spread pick and roll with him.

860
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 3: And you know, a lot of people think spread pick

861
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 3: and roll just started recently, But what people don't remember,

862
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 3: people we played uh Donielle Marshall at the four and

863
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 3: at the end of games, we had Anderson Begs our center,

864
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 3: so we just did some action, some false action and

865
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 3: the switch and yeh Andy came up and a lot

866
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 3: of times he flipped that pick and roll, which helped

867
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 3: Bron get downhill and now he sprang and uh. You know,

868
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 3: it was great during the regular season, and it got

869
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 3: us through at our defense, and that got a student

870
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 3: on the playoffs. But we went up against that well

871
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 3: oiled machine. Uh, and they they basically wherever Bruce was

872
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 3: guarding to pick and roll they had and Bruce was

873
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,919
Speaker 3: quick and you know, he was feisty, tough, all that stuff.

874
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 3: Bruce went all the way under and just waited on

875
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 3: Lebron at the free throw line, and then a big

876
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 3: waiting on Bron at the free throw line, and now

877
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 3: they forced him to take jumpers. At the time that

878
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 3: that hurt me because.

879
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: He wasn't as confident as jumper at the time correct.

880
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:14,879
Speaker 3: And I didn't. It was hard to make adjustments at

881
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 3: that time that drastically to your offense to try to

882
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 3: beat those guys, because if you look at the score,

883
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 3: it wasn't like we got blown out one hundred to

884
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 3: seventy nine. They were eighty five eighty two. You know,

885
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 3: they were close games, but it was because we just

886
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,359
Speaker 3: couldn't We were solid defensively, we couldn't score.

887
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 1: Tony was going crazy, correct, Tony crazy?

888
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 3: And if I remember write, what also hurt Larry Hughes

889
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 3: didn't Larry Hughes was our starting point guard and he

890
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 3: had gotten hurt. I wanted. I think you gotten hurt.

891
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 3: He didn't play and having him uh be able to

892
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 3: match it with Tony might might not have stopped Tony.

893
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 1: But he was one of the best defenders in the

894
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 1: league all that time.

895
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:58,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was long as leg Yeah, yeah, correct.

896
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 2: You took a lot of heat the media at that time.

897
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 2: Some were saying Lebron was coaching, and how did you deal?

898
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 2: How do you when that media storm and all that

899
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,280
Speaker 2: kind of bullshit and noise? How do you stay mentally

900
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 2: strong and confident in your abilities?

901
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 3: It was hard as a young guy, you know, but

902
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 3: I tried to. I really tried to ignore the noise

903
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 3: even when we were playing well, because I didn't want.

904
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 3: You know, you always attribute a lot of stuff to

905
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 3: the people you work with. And one of the things

906
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 3: that that Rick Carlisle was really good at. He never

907
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 3: really got too high doing he never really got too low.

908
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 3: He was pretty even get killed the whole time. And

909
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 3: that helped me a lot working for him and listening

910
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:40,399
Speaker 3: to him say that. But having said all that, yeah,

911
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 3: you know, I'm human it, they'd boy me a little

912
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 3: bit and when the stuff that you heard. But I'm

913
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 3: a firm believer that you got to give guys ownership,

914
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 3: and I got that. I even got that from Pop.

915
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 3: I mean I was in the huddle as an assistant

916
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 3: coach on the Great Teams in San Antonio where sometimes

917
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 3: Tim would say no, no, no, let's do this, let's do

918
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 3: this on the board, and Pop would be like, okay.

919
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 5: You know.

920
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 3: The difference is Pop is Pop, and so they ain't

921
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 3: gonna mess with him like they mess with me, you know,

922
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 3: And that's just part of it. So uh, I accepted it,

923
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 3: and I moved on from it, and you know, I

924
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 3: grew from it and learned from it. Just like another thing.

925
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 3: We were one of the first teams, and again it's

926
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 3: because of Lebron. Our pre game, our pre game. Our

927
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 3: guys were dancing and doing all this stuff, and people

928
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 3: used to kill you. Ain't got no control of your guys.

929
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 3: They doing all this. Yes, before the game, I'm like this.

930
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 3: They just having fun, you know. But because I was

931
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,720
Speaker 3: a young coach, it was when we were a young team.

932
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 3: It was an easy target for people to talk about

933
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 3: back then too, you know, But you learn a lot

934
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 3: as a young guy like jack said, you know, you

935
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,399
Speaker 3: take your hits and your loves and as long as

936
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 3: you don't you know, as long as you take it

937
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 3: and you try to grow from it in some way,

938
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,879
Speaker 3: shape or form. And that's I can honestly say that

939
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 3: all the experiences that I've had and went through, I'd

940
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,760
Speaker 3: be the first nay I was wrong, you know, because

941
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,359
Speaker 3: I'm not right by no means all the time. And

942
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 3: you just hope you learn and you grow from it

943
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 3: and hopefully gonna be better next time around.

944
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 2: Los Angeles Lakers come knocking, You get that job, You

945
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:20,800
Speaker 2: come in the year after Phil Jackson leaves.

946
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 1: Shoes bags shoes to feel Lakers? How did that? How

947
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: did that process happen?

948
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 3: Uh? First of all, if I could do it again,

949
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 3: I probably wouldn't do it again because you know Phil,

950
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:43,359
Speaker 3: He's won of all times, and you know you're not

951
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 3: gonna be able to duplicate anything he does. And I

952
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 3: hate to say this, but you ain't gonna be able

953
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 3: to duplicate what Pop did you and even Steve Kurran

954
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 3: now you know, uh, it just is what it is.

955
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 3: But the challenge was great and all that other stuff.

956
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 3: When I looked at it, when I looked at the job,

957
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 3: I just thought that there was still a lot left

958
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 3: with the team. And obviously God rest his soul. But

959
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 3: Kobe's Kobe, so so you you know, okay, you got Kobe.

960
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 3: And then the reality is there were some great players.

961
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 3: You know, power is great, even Andrew, a young guy.

962
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 3: You know, uh, I don't know if at the time

963
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 3: and Ran changed his name already he was you know.

964
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 3: That meant you fish there was a lot there. But

965
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 3: but the reality oft is I was next most excited

966
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 3: about lamar odom.

967
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 1: So much game, and you're right, not only.

968
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 3: They have so much game, but the flexibility, the versatility

969
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 3: became that team. Like you could play big with him

970
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 3: at the three, uh and Drew, or you could play

971
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,840
Speaker 3: you could play powered, well, you played power to five

972
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:56,359
Speaker 3: him at the four. And then you know, so the

973
00:48:56,480 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 3: versatility on that team excited me more than anything else.

974
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 3: And I never that was the lockout year I'll never forget.

975
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 4: Man.

976
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 3: We had a lockout here the whole time as a

977
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 3: staff were working on and try how can we enhance

978
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 3: this versatility and not not not just offensively but defensively too.

979
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:18,760
Speaker 3: And uh and then two days before a training camp start,

980
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,320
Speaker 3: you know, they say they traded them. Oh man, that

981
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 3: they crushed me. They crushed me, and uh, you know,

982
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 3: it is what it is.

983
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 4: Uh.

984
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 3: I thought we still had a decent year. I think

985
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 3: we won the Pacific Division. I want to say that

986
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 3: year and uh we took uh it was okay, see

987
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 3: we took O k C the seven games and it's

988
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 3: our six games in the second round, you know. And

989
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 3: yes they could have you know, you look back and

990
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 3: I wish I did this different or that different. But

991
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 3: I thought we had a good year. And then year two.

992
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 3: Uh we started off one and four. I was okay

993
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:53,800
Speaker 3: with it because we had a lot of new faces

994
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 3: that we were trying to integrate in terms of Dwight

995
00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:01,839
Speaker 3: Nash and it was maybe somebody else and and uh

996
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,399
Speaker 3: but I go in and I get fired, and it is what.

997
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 1: It is the business. The cod get his five games? Uh,

998
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 1: real quick?

999
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 2: What was it like working with Kobe and trying to

1000
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,360
Speaker 2: you know, what do you call coach player relationship and

1001
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:16,840
Speaker 2: they're not friends? But like, how did you get on

1002
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:18,840
Speaker 2: the same page with Cobe? But how what was that process?

1003
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 3: Like? It was great because Coke for me, you know,

1004
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 3: and there were a lot there are a lot of

1005
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 3: coach you know, we have our own coach speak, but

1006
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 3: there are a lot of coaches that coach Kobe around

1007
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 3: Kobe that had a hard time because Kobe blunt. Now,

1008
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 3: Kobe gonna look at you an eye and tell you

1009
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 3: what he want to tell you. For me, I like

1010
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 3: that because I felt I always knew where I stood was.

1011
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 3: You didn't have to I have to be correct, that's

1012
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 3: the best way to I didn't have to assume anything

1013
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 3: because if he didn't.

1014
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: Like it, he's gonna tell you.

1015
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:52,399
Speaker 3: And so that was for me the best part about him.

1016
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 3: You know, now you're throwing his competitiveness and all this

1017
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 3: other stuff, and it was great. Now. The thing that

1018
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:02,879
Speaker 3: was tough, well, because he had won championships with Phil

1019
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 3: and he won him in a certain way. It was

1020
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:08,919
Speaker 3: hard as a young coach to say, hey, Kobe, let's

1021
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 3: do it.

1022
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 1: This way style. Yeah, I'll say it for you like

1023
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 1: you would just see.

1024
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 2: And it wasn't almost it was like like I said,

1025
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 2: it wasn't a disrespecting. It was just like Kobe's like,

1026
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 2: we've won five this way. So now there's a whole

1027
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 2: new philosophy where Mike is trying to implement on this

1028
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 2: and it's just sometimes it just didn't work.

1029
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 3: And and I don't blame himcause I'll probably be the

1030
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 3: same way too if I was with him and I

1031
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 3: experienced five championships doing it in a certain way. But

1032
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 3: the tough part about it, man, as you know, I

1033
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,320
Speaker 3: can't be feeling it's hard, and now that I wouldn't

1034
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 3: even want a staff, so I don't really. So now

1035
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 3: I'm learning a lot as we're going along of what

1036
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 3: used to happen. And because I don't coach like that

1037
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 3: or I wasn't around, sometimes it's hard for me. I

1038
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 3: can't adjust just because Field did it right.

1039
00:51:57,840 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 1: You know, you got to do it your way.

1040
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 2: But what you didn't know coming in, like there was

1041
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,879
Speaker 2: some internal funk and when Phil decided it was time

1042
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 2: and Mike came in, you would never know Phil Jackson.

1043
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:07,879
Speaker 1: Was ever there.

1044
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 2: They took all of his ship down, bro It was

1045
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 2: graz all of it so some guys are coming back,

1046
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 2: like not only.

1047
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 3: If you remember too, the whole scouting apartment they gone

1048
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 3: was gone and then they brought it. I mean there

1049
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 3: was there was, There was a lot, a.

1050
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 1: Lot of change, a lot of change at that time.

1051
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 2: I think Jim Bust was making calls at that point,

1052
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 2: and there was a lot of moving parts outside of basketball.

1053
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 1: Who's Mike Brown?

1054
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 3: Oh man, I'm a grandfather? Wow? Yeah yeah it quick

1055
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 3: story on that. So my son Elijah, uh, when he

1056
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 3: when he told me when he and his girl they

1057
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 3: said they were pregnant, you know, the first thing, and

1058
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 3: people gonna look at me kind of like yeah. So

1059
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 3: but I was like, first thing the pop in mind was.

1060
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 3: I mean, it was cool and all that, but I

1061
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,319
Speaker 3: didn't take congratulations all. The first thing I said was

1062
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 3: I still got some swag in my game, said Ganda said,

1063
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 3: I can't be called grandpa. I said, pop Papa. That's

1064
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 3: my dad's name. My dad is pop Pa. I said that.

1065
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 3: I said, that's my shame. You give Rid all the grades.

1066
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:13,760
Speaker 3: You know, you look good with your stuff.

1067
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:15,720
Speaker 1: Jack got my slag.

1068
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 3: I was like, so the first thing I thought, I said,

1069
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 3: I said, he love man, I said, I said, that's good.

1070
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:24,840
Speaker 3: I said, but the baby gonna have to call me

1071
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:28,879
Speaker 3: big Mike said.

1072
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 4: Man.

1073
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,359
Speaker 3: As soon as my grandson got here, Man, I looked

1074
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 3: it up. Somebody saying it. Somebody said, look at Paul

1075
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 3: Paul looking at him, that's my name, p A W

1076
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 3: p A. My name is Paul Paul right now. So

1077
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 3: so you know, I love being a grandfather.

1078
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 1: Man.

1079
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:53,760
Speaker 3: I love my family time, I love I love my motorcycles.

1080
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 3: You know. Uh, that's that's it in the nutshell, you know.

1081
00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 3: I love you boys. I mean I face time. And

1082
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 3: now one of them was working for any other ones,

1083
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 3: working for forty nine ers. I'm facetiming.

1084
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's awesome. I see the smile on your face.

1085
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:11,720
Speaker 2: I mean, it's been a hell of a journey, obviously

1086
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 2: not over. You've got an opportunity to coach some of

1087
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 2: the greatest players ever to play this game.

1088
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 1: Too. We didn't talk about I want to touch on

1089
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 1: before we let you out of here.

1090
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 3: Stephan k D I tell you and you said it.

1091
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 3: I did again. Fortunate, blessed, lucky, have you want to

1092
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 3: call it? To be able to coach some of the

1093
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 3: greatest and and if I could say that they all

1094
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 3: have one thing in common. It's the competitive spirit, the

1095
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 3: competitive spirit for who they are already, which is what

1096
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 3: makes them them great. And you can put slash work ethic.

1097
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 3: A lot of people think that these guys just show up,

1098
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 3: and you know, they don't none of it. Do that

1099
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 3: the time and the commitment that they put in behind

1100
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 3: the scenes to be great, and then when the lights

1101
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 3: come on, they don't understand how competitive that they are

1102
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 3: when it comes to trying to win and to contribute

1103
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 3: what they can contribute to help teams wins. It's unbelievable.

1104
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 2: Uh, that's your solo camera right there talking to all

1105
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:14,359
Speaker 2: the Kings fans. What do you gotta tell them this year?

1106
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 1: Coach?

1107
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 3: You guys were great last year. We're gonna need you

1108
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 3: even more this year. So keep doing your thing, keep

1109
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 3: showing us love, and we're gonna keep laying it out

1110
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 3: on the floor every single time we step on that hardwood.

1111
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 3: A lot of love for you guys, and uh sacramental,

1112
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 3: let's rise up, baby.

1113
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 2: Being before we get out of here, Mike, if you

1114
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 2: can rewatch any game in the history court side, which

1115
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:40,319
Speaker 2: game would it mean?

1116
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,800
Speaker 3: Day? That's that's a great car. There's just a couple this,

1117
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give you too. So when we played the

1118
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:50,280
Speaker 3: Clippers last year, I know it was just a regular season,

1119
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 3: but it was one seventy five, one seven.

1120
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:56,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was some there was some triple overtime something.

1121
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 3: There was some great basketball plays in that game. I mean,

1122
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 3: it was a lot of fun. And then the reality

1123
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 3: of it is we talked, we spoke on it earlier

1124
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 3: when Lebron had twenty five twenty seventh straight. To be

1125
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 3: able to sit there and watch it, you do appreciate it.

1126
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 3: But if I was a fan, oh my.

1127
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:19,319
Speaker 2: God, yeahids about that one.

1128
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was that was beautiful.

1129
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 1: Tough one coming up next, tough question. Got to hit

1130
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:28,399
Speaker 1: you with it though, the oh Jordan, Kobe.

1131
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 3: Bron, everybody gonna think I'm diging. I'm okay with it.

1132
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:35,719
Speaker 3: I'm okay with it.

1133
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 1: You ain't good first person.

1134
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 3: So it depends on what you want. You know what

1135
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 3: I'm saying.

1136
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 2: Explain what you mean by that, because I get what

1137
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 2: you're saying, but the fans may not.

1138
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 3: So like back in the day when when when Bron

1139
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 3: was young, got playing for ass, I'll never forget we're

1140
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 3: playing Washington. I think the first time we made the

1141
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 3: playoffs and in the game, boom boom, he drive at Washington,

1142
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:57,439
Speaker 3: he gets double trouble team, he kicks it to Damon Jones,

1143
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 3: jams Jones hit from the left baseline, his wide open

1144
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:04,799
Speaker 3: That set the tone for who we were and why

1145
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 3: we were as good as we were the next four

1146
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 3: or five years because of his unselfishness, his willingness to

1147
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 3: make the right play every single time. So I was

1148
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 3: never mad at him from making the right play because

1149
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 3: now it makes it easier for me to tell you

1150
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 3: and you got to make the right place all the time.

1151
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 1: It's crazy that he gets knocked for that thing.

1152
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 3: That's that used to drive me insane. And it's like,

1153
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 3: are you trying to create an individual? You trying to

1154
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 3: create a team? You know, And so if you're especially

1155
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 3: if you're putting the team together, okay for the first time,

1156
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 3: and you're trying to lay the foundation the principles of culture,

1157
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 3: all that man, because he's gonna help with that connected

1158
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. Now, if you just want straight.

1159
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 2: Killers, would say the team I got you and who

1160
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 2: can get you get carried?

1161
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 3: Then you go with those guys. But you know, one

1162
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 3: of the things that that that I will say is

1163
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 3: and at the end of the day, and this is

1164
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 3: why Bron is still uh, why he's still in my

1165
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 3: opinion from the outside looking at why he's still working

1166
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 3: as hard as he's working to not only just to

1167
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 3: be the great, but to have his team be the

1168
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 3: greatest because he knows. And I bet you the other

1169
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 3: two guys will say the same thing that the championships

1170
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 3: have a lot to do with it. At the end

1171
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 3: of the day, you got championships, then you got to

1172
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 3: write this.

1173
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 2: I remember Code wanted Cod Well this whole thing, you

1174
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 2: wanted six. I want to sit at the same table

1175
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 2: as MJ. So now Bron's saying I want five and

1176
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 2: want to be in that conversation.

1177
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 1: With Magic and Cod.

1178
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 3: There we go right there.

1179
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 1: Funny thing this happened to you recently?

1180
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 3: Oh dang, I mean that's that's a good one. But

1181
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 3: but I mean I as early as today, I tried

1182
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 3: to play it off. But I tripped. I got sniped

1183
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 3: about five times practice. And I say this because I

1184
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 3: would We had our coaches after practice and you know,

1185
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:05,919
Speaker 3: you try to play it, just try to just jog

1186
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 3: it off. And uh, the first thing I sat down,

1187
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 3: we started talking in one of my loop locks. He

1188
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 3: luke late got a chance to be ahead cause I

1189
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 3: got four or five cats.

1190
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 1: On my staff. The number Jordan the best coach in the.

1191
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 3: League, d C. D C has learned, said people were

1192
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 3: sleeping on d C. He what I like about him too,

1193
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 3: He's like Darvin Ham when I had Darmenham and the

1194
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 3: Lakers with me and the Lakers because he was coaching

1195
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:34,920
Speaker 3: like in New Mexico at a really low level and

1196
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 3: he had just got fired or something, and so I

1197
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 3: bring d Ham and and we wanted to give d

1198
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 3: Ham scouts that year. And this is one of I

1199
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 3: got the most respecting world from him, he said, He said, Mike,

1200
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 3: he said, I'm not ready for that right now.

1201
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 1: It's interesting and.

1202
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 3: It takes a lot for somebody say, because you know,

1203
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 3: everybody wants to show they can talk and show they

1204
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 3: knowing all that. But I'm not ready for Let me

1205
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:00,160
Speaker 3: let me learn and doing that and later on next

1206
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 3: year I do scouts. But DC's second d C works

1207
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 3: hard at his craft, you know. And and there's too

1208
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 3: many of us, especially y'all ares black ex players, and

1209
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to go down that road too far.

1210
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 3: But where they like, let's hire him because he helped

1211
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 3: with the relationship you know what question, And and Doug

1212
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 3: and d Ham are guys that I've been around to

1213
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:26,240
Speaker 3: take that the heart like they trying to learn the game,

1214
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 3: and that, in my opin, that's what makes me because

1215
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 3: he got what y'all got, and he also got the

1216
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 3: other stuff. And there's a lot of guys out there

1217
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 3: that have that just don't get the opportunity. But so

1218
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 3: I now, going back, I sat down and Luke smart

1219
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 3: Ass were talking seriously. He said, A said, you got snipe?

1220
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 3: That comes said he I think he said, he said,

1221
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 3: are your sneakers new?

1222
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 4: But y'all don't know the reason why we say snipe

1223
01:00:57,080 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 4: because when you're in the basketball gym, there's no hum centerpore.

1224
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:04,480
Speaker 4: The lines are flat, so there's no reason to trip.

1225
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 4: I might be running and walking. And then Florence just

1226
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 4: freshly got shouted.

1227
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 1: That in Miami someone tripped me. I got it. I

1228
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 1: got it.

1229
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 2: D Wade pump faked me. I ran into the stands.

1230
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 2: That ship was sucked up, but someone tripped me. I

1231
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 2: swear I didn't get sniped. Someone tripped.

1232
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 1: H Top five coaches in your opinion all time.

1233
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:36,040
Speaker 3: That's yeah, I mean you got you got them popping there. Uh,

1234
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:39,919
Speaker 3: Chuck Daily, you got thro Chuck Daily. Now I'm gonna

1235
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 3: get I'm gonna say these two names, but the career

1236
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 3: is not over, and they probably gonna got th Steve Curry,

1237
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:50,800
Speaker 3: you got those sposter probably there. And then this is

1238
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 3: just me selfishly. I don't know this, but as as

1239
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 3: much love as Red or Back got, he might have

1240
01:01:56,920 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 3: to be in there as well as Bill Russell. That's interesting.

1241
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 3: So Bill, A lot of people don't know he was

1242
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:08,720
Speaker 3: a player coach and how many right he won? But

1243
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 3: as a player coach eleven total? Yeah, eleven total, But

1244
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 3: I think he won a couple as a players coach.

1245
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:17,120
Speaker 3: So if I'm correct, then I would I would have

1246
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 3: to because I don't know if there's anything harder than

1247
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 3: to be a player coach.

1248
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Time he was living in.

1249
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:28,680
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, correct, you go down the.

1250
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 2: Line, Yeah five din against dead or alive, anybody at

1251
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 2: your table breaking bread with.

1252
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 3: You, man, And I know people will be like, hey, man,

1253
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:40,240
Speaker 3: he don't know what he talking about. But my family,

1254
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:42,360
Speaker 3: my two boys, my grandson, my.

1255
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:43,440
Speaker 1: Girl, I love you.

1256
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:43,680
Speaker 4: You know.

1257
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:46,520
Speaker 2: That's the first world over two hundred episodes. You're the

1258
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:47,520
Speaker 2: only person that's ever said that.

1259
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:51,400
Speaker 1: I like that. It's like that too. That's right, that's right.

1260
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:54,080
Speaker 1: Who do you want to see on our show? All

1261
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:54,479
Speaker 1: the smoke?

1262
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 4: But but before you answer that question, you have to

1263
01:02:57,760 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 4: help us get your answer on the show.

1264
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:02,640
Speaker 3: Oh I got good at that ship.

1265
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 2: I started like him, Mike his coast and been around

1266
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:08,360
Speaker 2: a lot of great people he has.

1267
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 1: I'm sure.

1268
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:11,440
Speaker 4: You know.

1269
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:17,520
Speaker 3: I was about to say, I love to see pop

1270
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:18,400
Speaker 3: on your show.

1271
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 1: I would.

1272
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:21,000
Speaker 3: I would be, yeah, I love to see Pop up.

1273
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:25,520
Speaker 3: But also the next to two down and Steve Kurr

1274
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 3: and Sposter we.

1275
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 1: Got Steve already, Foster would be dope, it'd be a

1276
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:32,560
Speaker 1: good call. Steve kurs those told some great stories.

1277
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:34,920
Speaker 3: Steve he got right, I got. I gotta try to

1278
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 3: find that one and go back and see that one

1279
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:40,120
Speaker 3: because he because he got some stuff, he got some real.

1280
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:42,920
Speaker 4: Stuff about to be one to after we won the

1281
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 4: six I mean No. Three, when he wanted the West

1282
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:49,240
Speaker 4: Conference Finals and he came in and hit those four threes. Yes,

1283
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 4: after the game, the media was all on him. But

1284
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:56,400
Speaker 4: I was sitting in the back me and it was Geno,

1285
01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:58,000
Speaker 4: the first genob But it came up, was like, bro,

1286
01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:02,200
Speaker 4: you deserve the v to Steve Hurricane. To my there

1287
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 4: was asking him questions. He'd be lying to the back

1288
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 4: that you wanted this game. That meant the world to me.

1289
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:09,000
Speaker 3: And that's what I was talking about. That's what I

1290
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:10,720
Speaker 3: was talking about right there, because he got a lot

1291
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:12,760
Speaker 3: of love. Which you know, he hit some big shots,

1292
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:16,120
Speaker 3: but if he don't do him, no, he don't even

1293
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 3: have a chance to hit the big change.

1294
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:20,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, Mike, man, we appreciate you taking the time, best

1295
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:21,680
Speaker 2: of luck with this team.

1296
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:23,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely long overdue.

1297
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 2: Happy for you, like I said, being from here and

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Speaker 2: seeing what you've been able to change not only his

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Speaker 2: team into but the city because, like Jack said, as

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Speaker 2: much as I love secret much to do out here,

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Speaker 2: but you winning back to sacrament on that, I know

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Speaker 2: that means a lot for every single person in the city. Man,

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Speaker 2: So we wish you the best of luck this season

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Speaker 2: and for many seasons on and thank you for your time.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate that. But now I heard you about to

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Speaker 3: ask a quick question about my best heart. I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: get one name. Can I throw one name out there him?

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Speaker 3: If you want, I'm gonna throw one out there so

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Speaker 3: a lot of people. I like old school rap, okay,

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Speaker 3: and that's what you if you If you hear music

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Speaker 3: coming from a Harley, it's gonna probably be old school rap.

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Speaker 3: It's gonna be country one or two. So I gotta

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Speaker 3: give give a little loved to My guy came Brown,

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Speaker 3: Came Brown, and country music familiar.

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Speaker 1: I haven't heard his music, but I heard of hip

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Speaker 1: on that.

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Speaker 3: You know it's stuff.

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Speaker 1: We'll make sure you check him out. Man.

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Speaker 2: Well that's Mike Brown, reigning NBA Coach of the Year.

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Speaker 2: You catch this on Showtime Basketball YouTube and the iHeart

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Speaker 2: Platform Black Effects. We'll see y'all next week.