1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,479 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome 2 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: to the show, Ridiculous Historians. What's the hungriest you've ever been, 3 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:35,959 Speaker 1: what's the most you've eaten at one time? And are 4 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: you a fan of competitive eating? I am my name's Ben. 5 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: My name is no I'd said, probably maybe a Korean 6 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:45,480 Speaker 1: barbecue situation or an old school buffet where you really 7 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 1: feel compelled to get the bang for your buck. You 8 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: know you you've paid an amount Korean barbecue, especially because 9 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 1: they just keep on bringing it, and there was all 10 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: a little bond chon which I know you like little sides, 11 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: So that's a that's a recipe for gluttony. There, your Noel, 12 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: That is who I am. True. Thank you for reminding 13 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 1: me and the listeners. Um, that would have been a 14 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: real bund of contention if we had moved forward without 15 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 1: saying each other's names. In addition to super Bruster, Casey Pegrum, 16 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 1: that's right, Casey, what's the You don't strike me as 17 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: a particularly gluttonous dude. None of the three of us 18 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: are nine probably the closest. But do you recall ever 19 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: eating so much that you you felt like terrible about it? Oh? Yeah, yeah, 20 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: I've I've I've been in those situations a few times. 21 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: Nothing not like a competitive eating, sort of just practicing 22 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:41,039 Speaker 1: on my own, you know, just getting getting ready for 23 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: the big day perfect maybe a family holiday situation or 24 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: something exactly exactly. But you know, I have had that 25 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: experience of paying for an extremely expensive buffet and then 26 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: feeling like, uh, I gotta get my money's worth. Did 27 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: that recently in Vegas? Actually I knew it, the old 28 00:01:56,760 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: Vegas Buffet and we waited like probably listed two hours 29 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: to get up to the line, and only then did 30 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: they tell us it's like a hundred dollars ahead or whatever. 31 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: It's just like, well, we're gonna be eating a lot 32 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: of crab legs and you know, just trying to maximize 33 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: our value. It's insane. I've seen people. I've seen people 34 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: get a ticket for Vegas Buffet and go in at 35 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: eleven and then literally hang out on the premises long 36 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: enough to just use the bathroom and get hungry again. 37 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: That's pretty much what you gotta do. But um, we 38 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: made the best of it. Is there a prime rib station? No? 39 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: Actually I was disappointed. There was not much in the 40 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:34,799 Speaker 1: way of steak, but there were other kind of fancy 41 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 1: seafood based things ahead. I would expect. Yeah, yes, I 42 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 1: was expecting like filemon or something. But um, you know, 43 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: they did have enough. I don't know if we actually 44 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 1: covered our our our outlet for that, but you know 45 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: it was it was a good buffet anyway. Yeah, you know, 46 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: it's it's weird because the way that Vegas buffets are priced, 47 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: they are making a ton of money off most people, 48 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: because most people are going to eat maybe a plate 49 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: or two and then say, well, I want to go 50 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: do the Vegas stuff, right, I don't want to see 51 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 1: a show, go to a casino or drive to the 52 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:13,919 Speaker 1: Hoover Damn. I uh. I've been fascinated by competitive eating 53 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: for a long time as a participant, as a participant, 54 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: not so much as an observer. Love it. Kobayashi, Sonya, 55 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: the Black Widow, Thomas uh, any number of people. What 56 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: one thing that's interesting about eating what makes us full 57 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:31,079 Speaker 1: is there's a thing called the I think it's called 58 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: the safety responsive to this. It does have something to 59 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: do with like you've got to trick your body into 60 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: not telling your brain that it's full. And that's a 61 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: big principle of competitive eating, right, Yeah, that's why so 62 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: much of it is time. So years ago on a 63 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: YouTube show, I was doing that. I will um, I 64 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: think you've seen it, Casey, but I'm not going to 65 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: share it with anyone. I did. I did an experiment 66 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: with the sadity complex, and essentially it means it takes 67 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: your stomach about seventeen to twenty three minutes to tell 68 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: your brain it's full. So you can eat like a 69 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: god or a demon or a just a swirling vortex 70 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: or black hole, uh, for for up to that amount 71 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: of time, often before your body goes whoa buster. Uh. 72 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: Some of this is going back out right. And that's 73 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: the thing. I mean, you know, you think about Greek 74 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 1: Bacchanalian feasts and all of the vomitoriums and all of 75 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: that stuff. Is that is that real? I mean, is 76 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:33,840 Speaker 1: that actually something that you can do to just continue indulging. Uh, 77 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: people have done it, but that is not healthy for you. 78 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:40,679 Speaker 1: You know, that's that's not There's a reason we haven't 79 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: evolved to eat that way because ultimately it can, uh, 80 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 1: it can damage your system. You know. Food can be 81 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: a tough thing. Um. It's it's strange too, because we're 82 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: the more we learn about science. The more we're learning 83 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: about things we usually just took for granted or even 84 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: in some cases treated like I know this is gonna 85 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: be a controversial word for some of us, treated like 86 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:07,479 Speaker 1: a freak show territory. And that's where that's where we 87 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 1: get to today's story. Yeah, it's true. Today's story is 88 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 1: about a gentleman by the name of Casey helped us 89 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 1: with us earlier. I think I'm gonna do my level 90 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: best Casey on the case, Casey on the case indeed, 91 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: which is apparently uh Are. It's thought to be a 92 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 1: nickname that came from a very popular French phrase which 93 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 1: I adore, Bom bom, which means it's sort of like 94 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 1: boom goes the dynamite. I think that's literally what it means. 95 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 1: Uh used to describe fireworks or explosives. Um and Uh. 96 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 1: This gentleman who we only know by was born in 97 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: seventeen seventy two in Leon and Um by the time 98 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 1: he was seventeen, despite Um reportedly being able to consume 99 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 1: a quarter cow's worth of beef in a single day, 100 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,160 Speaker 1: he only weighed a hundred pounds, which is so that's 101 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 1: always fascinating me about the world of competitive eating ben 102 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 1: often those uh, the folks that's excel at of the 103 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:08,359 Speaker 1: best are pretty slim. Yeah, yeah, it's true. There was 104 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 1: a rumor for a long time that Ta Caro Kobayashi, 105 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: one of the one of the very slender competitive eating champions, 106 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 1: was actually somehow mutated and that his stomach could expand 107 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 1: beneath his rib cage so for more storage space. That 108 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: was never confirmed as far as I know, But if 109 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: you think about it, the bigger dudes are also their 110 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: stomach has less room to expand because there's more muscle 111 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: and stuff around, right. Yeah, and uh, but the thing 112 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 1: about tell is he he would beyond, well beyond just 113 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 1: consuming beef uh and copious amounts um. He had a 114 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: penchant for eating just about anything. Uh and and and 115 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: we'll get to in a second. But this is actually 116 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 1: a condition, a very rare condition known as polyphasia UM, 117 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: which is characterized by un insatiable hunger, uncontrollable eating um 118 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 1: and also, again as pointed to by his slender build, 119 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: a very very high metabolism UM. So he parlayed this 120 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 1: into a career with a traveling freak show. Yeah, he 121 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: had a rough, rough life. He was kicked out of 122 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: home as a teenager, and according to a couple of reports, 123 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: he traveled around France, became a bit of a vagabond, 124 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: and at first he was traveling with bandits and sex workers, 125 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: and then later he became uh sort of a warm 126 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: up act to another traveling show, where he would just 127 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: he would swallow stuff. He was like that kid you 128 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: hear about in preschool or elementary school, who's eating you know, 129 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: glue or something for a dollar or whatever whatever the 130 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: going rate for glue eating is now, I don't know. 131 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: Let us know, what was it back in your glue 132 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: eating days? Ben, I never eat glue. Know what about you? 133 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: What was it in your day? Well, I'm more sniffed glue, um, 134 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: but I never People will pay for that, No, no 135 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: they don't. But it was a passion, a passion. I'm kidding. 136 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: I didn't do that. But but but I only asked you 137 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: about the eating glue thing is because you came clean 138 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: on this here very show about your goldfish eating days. 139 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 1: So I assume maybe you had other experimental eating periods 140 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: polyphasia D Yeah, no, no, not that much. But I 141 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: I even in my wild days, I had nothing on, 142 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: nothing on to oh gosh, no, none, few few would 143 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: or could or absolutely should. Yeah. He uh, he would 144 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 1: when he was doing the traveling show. As he's evolving 145 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: towards this uh you know, this kind of freak show 146 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:40,959 Speaker 1: thing mentioned earlier, He would eat corks, stones, live animals. 147 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: One time he ate a whole basket of apples, which 148 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 1: I think whether or not that's impressive depends on the 149 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: size of the basket, doesn't it, Because there could be uh, 150 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 1: there could be a tiny basket, there could be a 151 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: gigantic like bushel load basket. Did he eat the basket 152 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 1: as well as the apples is my question? Right? I 153 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,679 Speaker 1: think I think in that ace he just ate the apples. 154 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: But what a big finished to eat the basket. He 155 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: also was physically, he was He had some unique characteristics, right, 156 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: Like his lips are described in Messy and Chic dot 157 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: com with this great title this article with his great 158 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: title whatever you do, don't tell the French about to Od. 159 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: They say that he almost he had like almost non 160 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: existent lips, and he had a really wide, kind of 161 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 1: frog like mouth. This I had a hard time believing 162 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: his mouth could hold twelve eggs at once. Are they 163 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: chicken eggs? Again? It's like the basket. Is it a 164 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 1: quail egg? I can believe that. Yeah, I mean I 165 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 1: can only assume that they mean quail eggs. But he 166 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: also had another particularly stomach turning feature. Um that's a pun. 167 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 1: Also preparing listeners is pretty gross. His you use the 168 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 1: word deflated, ben, His deflated stomach sack um hung loose 169 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: in such a fast and that he could actually wrap 170 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 1: it around his body like a belt. Yeah. Picture that 171 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: for a minute, so you know how we're talking about 172 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:10,439 Speaker 1: this South Air Probably the closest analog I could draw 173 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 1: as if someone has um been exercising, or for one 174 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: reason or another, they lose a lot they're they're a 175 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: very big person. They lose a lot of weight very quickly. 176 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: Your skin is just another organ, right, and so it 177 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: can still hang down or deflate because there's it's there's 178 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 1: less stuff under it than there used to be. And 179 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: for from what what we can tell, it seems like 180 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 1: he had been routinely eating uh so much stuff to 181 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: such an extreme that his stomach, the flesh over his 182 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 1: stomach had kind of naturally over time grown or expanded, 183 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 1: so that like like you said, nol, when he's not eating, 184 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: it's it's kind of like an empty tack, you know, yep. Yeah, 185 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 1: and then an extreme polyophasia is super super were almost 186 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 1: to the point where is it Isn't it kind of 187 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 1: almost like looked on with a little bit of suspicion, 188 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: like is it really is a really a real thing? 189 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: For some time it had been considered anecdotal. But there's 190 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 1: there's some science we can get into, uh maybe towards 191 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: the end, because science does have an answer. Uh, And 192 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: we have to tell you the story about today because 193 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: it's a story spoiler alert that you may be able 194 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: to see in the modern world as insane as it sounds. Sure, um, 195 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: so we'll definitely get to that that science. But it 196 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: is characterized the concept of it as someone um just 197 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 1: not being able to control their appetite at all. And 198 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:45,079 Speaker 1: the extra kind of disturbing feature is that it typically 199 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:49,959 Speaker 1: involves eating non food items. Yeah, it's it's really similar, 200 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: but it's not like uh, pica or pika. It's called 201 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:55,959 Speaker 1: you know, when people eat clay, which is a thing 202 00:11:56,000 --> 00:12:01,599 Speaker 1: that happened here in the American South. Cause it's unrelenting, 203 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:04,679 Speaker 1: it's an insatiable hunger. It's it's kind of like a 204 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 1: real life version of the myth of Tantalus. You know 205 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: Tantalus who was up to his chin in uh delicious liquids, 206 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: and then he's got grapes so close to his face, 207 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 1: and every time he tries to grab a grape or 208 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: a fruit or whatever, and every time he tries to 209 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 1: take a sip, it vanishes. It's it feels like it 210 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: goes beyond a medical condition to some sort of biblical curse. Really, 211 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 1: you'll eat, never be full, And that's exactly the case. 212 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 1: And in a big bone of contention within his household 213 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 1: when he was a kid, his parents had become so 214 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: frustrated with their inability to satiate him, and it was 215 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: honestly a financial burden. He would cry and cry and 216 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: cry even when he had just completed a massive meal. 217 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: They finally kicked him out of his house, and that 218 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: is when he kind of began that life is sort 219 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 1: of a nomad traveler um and leagued up with everyone 220 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 1: from sex workers to the fee that you mentioned, and 221 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:05,079 Speaker 1: then eventually found his way into sort of the carnival 222 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 1: lifestyle um where he was he was taken in and 223 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 1: welcomed um. He became a street performer in Paris on 224 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: the pomp Neuf, and that was an area that was 225 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 1: considered so disreputable in CD that even known U philanderer 226 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 1: Benjamin Franklin founded too sketchy to to walk across it 227 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: as a bridge in Paris. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And this 228 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:36,719 Speaker 1: is not a super correct term nowadays. But what he 229 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 1: was doing, his act was pretty much it was a 230 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 1: predecessor to the famous, you know, circus geek acts of 231 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:47,319 Speaker 1: yesteryear when someone would eat a live chicken. But he 232 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: didn't just eat live chickens. And we have firsthand accounts 233 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: of Tony's act. Here's a quote, and I warn you 234 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: this is not not super appetite scene. He sees the 235 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: live cat with his teeth event traded, that's the word, disemboweled, 236 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: inventraated it, sucked its blood and ate it, leaving the 237 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: bear skeleton. Only. He also ate dogs in the same manner. 238 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: On one occasion, it was said that he swallowed a 239 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: living deal without chewing it. That's disgusting. Yeah, is that 240 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: part of the show or that stuff he just did 241 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: in his own private alone times. This was part of 242 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: the show. That's that's why whenever you see a street 243 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 1: show and someone says, who has a pet in the audience, 244 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: just make for the hill desertially, definitely don't don't offer 245 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: up your your little your sheetzu. Um. That is really 246 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: disturbing and well absolutely barbaric. And I can't believe people 247 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: were into this. Uh. I would think, you know, that 248 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: would have caused people to just you know, turn and disgust. 249 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: But I guess people's appetites were pretty disgusting back in 250 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: those days, and they had a different, less sanitized idea 251 00:14:55,400 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: of entertainment. If you were the kind of person who 252 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: would watch this guy eat random stuff, if that was 253 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: the way you wanted to spend your afternoon, you would 254 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: have to be prepared for the smell, the aroma, the stench, 255 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 1: because although Torreto was a you know, average sized dude 256 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: and and pretty much on the skinny side, he had 257 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: a big smell. He had big smell energy. We found 258 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: something in the London Medical and Physical Journal in eighteen 259 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: nineteen describing his smell nel. Since I did the eating 260 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: the cat thing, do you want to handle the stench part? Yeah, okay, 261 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: I will. I will just preface by saying that this 262 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: stench followed him around his whole life. It was something 263 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: that was reported as early as when he was seventeen, 264 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: and would sneak into town to eat the cows feed. 265 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 1: Uh and he you know again, had had that slender build, 266 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: but always was followed around by this putrid stench. So 267 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: here is that quote from the London men Nicle and 268 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: Physical Journal from eighteen nineteen quote, try my best to 269 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: get through this Tar was constantly covered in sweat, and 270 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: from his body a vapor arose sensible to the site 271 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: and more so the smells so wait like stink lines 272 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 1: wow okay, and more so to the smell. He had 273 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 1: a wispy blonde hair and a large mouth surrounded by 274 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: slender lips and discolored teeth. He frequently burped and farted 275 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: and had constant particularly odorous Ben, why would you do 276 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 1: this to me? His bowel movements. I had a cat. 277 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: I can't I can't tell which one's worse. I think 278 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: you're right, Ben, I think maybe the cat was worse. 279 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 1: But sound effects of burps and farts just real quick, 280 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: or maybe it's one of those like the ship sounds 281 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: are like from rend and stimpy. When one of those 282 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: smelly looking close ups local high pressure farted exactly exactly 283 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: uh odorous bowel movements. That was my favorite member of 284 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 1: the bangor Um, which one would expect from someone who's 285 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:23,399 Speaker 1: diet consisted of massive amounts of both food and non 286 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: food items. All right, First of all, I want to 287 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: know what one would expect from from the smell of 288 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 1: someone who ate non food items. Depends on the food items. 289 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: If they're just swallowing rocks, they'll probably pebbles, will probably 290 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 1: just pass through and maybe not make a big smell. 291 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 1: But if it's organic non food items, I would imagine 292 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 1: at some point it also interacts with your your microbio, 293 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 1: your your gut flora, so you can get some pretty 294 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 1: uh disgusting stuff. Today, I would have been set to 295 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 1: be a street for performer, you know. And and keep 296 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 1: in mind, uh, there is a history in France of 297 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 1: very successful performers doing things that might be disgusting to us, 298 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: like professional farters flash list, what was that guy's name? 299 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 1: So this is like, this is not an unusual thing 300 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 1: in the history of performance in France. And could today 301 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 1: I have made a living doing this, Yeah, probably, but 302 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: something intervened as as you said, he was born in 303 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: what seventeen seventy two in seventeen eighty nine, France was 304 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 1: racked by the French Revolution, and so today I to 305 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: join the French military. He didn't fight, He helped people 306 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,639 Speaker 1: out with day to day task and then when he 307 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 1: would help them, they would give him their rations and 308 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:51,440 Speaker 1: he would eat them. And eventually he ended up in 309 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: the military hospital because no matter what he ate, he 310 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:57,919 Speaker 1: was still hungry, and the physicians wanted to see how 311 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: far they could go, so they quadrupled as rations. He 312 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 1: ate those, he was still hungry. He also ate gauze 313 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: that was intended, you know, to patch up soldiers, and 314 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 1: he ate any live animals he could find. And then 315 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 1: one time true story, they found him in a gutter 316 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 1: during his time at the hospital, shoving fistfuls of literal 317 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 1: garbage into his mouth. I want to also note I 318 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: don't think we hit this yet. Um, we have multiple 319 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 1: accounts of people saying, yeah, other than eating in the 320 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 1: disgusting smell, he was a normal dude. But he was 321 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:35,479 Speaker 1: also super apathetic, like he didn't seem very present. A 322 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: lot of times he was just sort of like, whatever, 323 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 1: I'll eat it, and uh, And I think that I'm 324 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:44,959 Speaker 1: building a case towards what I think may have been 325 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 1: a lower mental function, like I think maybe he wasn't, 326 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:53,120 Speaker 1: uh wasn't a full set of craons. Oh, I don't 327 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 1: think so either. I mean definitely seemed to go hand 328 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 1: in hand. And it's also part of the reason why 329 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:02,680 Speaker 1: I questioned the medical racity of this quote unquote condition. Um, 330 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 1: it seems like it was largely a mental condition, and 331 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: not that that makes anything any less real. I mean, 332 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: psychological conditions are are absolutely all consuming for people, and 333 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 1: they can really cause huge problems in people's quality of 334 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:15,199 Speaker 1: life and the way they interact with others. But I 335 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: don't know that there's necessarily a physical or physiological thing 336 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 1: that caused him to, uh, to feel this way, other 337 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: than maybe something that was going on psychologically. Reminds me 338 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 1: of a condition that's depicted in the show Better called 339 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 1: Saul or Sault. Goodman's brother has this allergy to electricity. Um, 340 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 1: but that's largely considered by the medical community to not 341 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,640 Speaker 1: be a real thing. Yeah, the E M F sensitivity, 342 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 1: it's right. Yeah, So you're right. In the military, he 343 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: was super problematic, but he also there were some creative 344 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: uses for him, right, There were attempts, There were attempts 345 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 1: to make him useful. So the weird thing is he 346 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 1: also wasn't gaining weight, by the way, still weight. I 347 00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: think you mentioned earlier a hundred pounds when seventeen he 348 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,919 Speaker 1: still had that ballpark weight, and he looked he was 349 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:07,120 Speaker 1: exhibiting signs of under nourishment as a matter of fact. 350 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 1: So they thought, all right, we're gonna we're gonna try 351 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: to make this guy useful because he has something. It's 352 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: not perfect, but he has uh, he's got potential, he's 353 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: got an unusual set of skills. Right, that's right, you know, 354 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 1: I mean, might as well figure out how to make 355 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 1: some use out of the guy you gotta hang around with, 356 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 1: smelly dude. Let's figure out how to take his uh, 357 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: his gift, let's say, and then put it to good 358 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 1: militaristic use. Yep. And this is when I'm gonna muddle 359 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,400 Speaker 1: through this casey I hope you're still friends at the end. 360 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 1: This is when General Alexandre du said, you know what, 361 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: no man left behind. We can give this kid something 362 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:51,360 Speaker 1: to do. France is now at war with Prussia and 363 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:56,679 Speaker 1: tas weird digestive condition makes him the perfect spy. So 364 00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: he says, sorry, I'm putting some documents inside this would 365 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 1: box that I you're hungry, right, go ahead and eat this, 366 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 1: and then we'll just wait for it to pass through 367 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 1: your body, and then we'll have you know, whichever soldiers 368 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 1: in the most trouble that day go through his stool 369 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: and then fish the box out to see if you 370 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 1: can still read the message. This experiment worked, and so 371 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:24,199 Speaker 1: to has given his first mission as a spy. Yes, indeed, 372 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 1: it was a noble experiment. I suppose you could say, um, 373 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 1: one that wouldn't ultimately be repeated. But he was disguised 374 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 1: as a Prussian peasant UM and asked to sneak by 375 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:41,159 Speaker 1: enemy lines to deliver a top secret message to a 376 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 1: captured colonel, a French colonel. Um. The message was to 377 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 1: be enclosed in a box that was then um swallowed 378 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 1: whole by it till Um. But unfortunately he didn't really 379 00:22:55,800 --> 00:23:00,439 Speaker 1: make it to his destination UM, because of of the 380 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 1: aforementioned putrid smell did not lend itself to covert ops, 381 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 1: did it, Ben, Yeah, that's correct. It's it's a good point. 382 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: If you are a spy, you don't want to have 383 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 1: a unique sort of old factory tone. Let's call it 384 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 1: I'm searching for diplomatic ways to use the word stink. Yeah, 385 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: So they find him. He is strip searched, they whip him, 386 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 1: they torture him for most of a day, and then 387 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: eventually he says, okay, I'm here take a secret message, 388 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 1: you know, I'm sneaking into my in my gut, and 389 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 1: then people are going to find it in my poop. 390 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 1: It's about the war. So the Prussians literally chain him 391 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: to a toilet and they just wait, God for hours 392 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 1: and hours, and he still stinks, by the way, and 393 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: terras of course, starving. He has to wait until he 394 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: has a bowel movement. Eventually he does void uh the 395 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: wooden case and he tries, this is okay, this is 396 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 1: very gross is according to the London Journal. After he 397 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 1: couldn't hold it anymore and he passed the case, he 398 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 1: swallowed it again to try to keep the enemy from 399 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 1: getting it. They finally do get the box out of him, 400 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 1: and all they find inside is evidence that this is 401 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 1: a test run. The note in the little box just says, hey, 402 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,479 Speaker 1: let us know if this guy today had delivered the box. 403 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: And it turns out the general still, you know, didn't 404 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: really trust the guy or this process enough he needed 405 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 1: some confirmed success in the field. Yeah, well, okay, good 406 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: on him then, because this whole thing sounded like a 407 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 1: real recipe for disaster if you asked me, and then 408 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: then sure enough it was. Can you imagine though, like 409 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: swallowing it back down and the whole the whole scenario. 410 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 1: It's just like it's like reservoir dogs gone awry or something, 411 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: you know, like chained to the toilet it. I mean, 412 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 1: I'm surprised no one's made some kind of sick version 413 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 1: of this movie, like a human centipede style or something. 414 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,959 Speaker 1: You know. This is I should this should this should exist. 415 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: I don't know if I want to see it, but 416 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: I would support its existence as a piece of schlock cinema. 417 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 1: What do you think, Casey? Yeah, this is this is 418 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:23,360 Speaker 1: right for some some schlocky goodness. Did you say, ripe? Yeah? Yeah, 419 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 1: that's the thing. The smell is a main character in 420 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,439 Speaker 1: this story. Maybe that's what's holding people back. It's just 421 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:32,159 Speaker 1: the film technology. It could be a spiritual predecessor to 422 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 1: the big rock movie that did so this year. Her 423 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 1: smell it can be called his smell. Yeah, it's just 424 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 1: a thought. Maybe people feel like they got tricked though. 425 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,200 Speaker 1: Oh man, I was looking up so many different synonyms 426 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:49,399 Speaker 1: for smell, stink, stinch, that kind of stuff, just to 427 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 1: get through this. Anyhow, I'm a big fan of mi 428 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 1: asthma myself, which I guess is a little bit refers 429 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: to more of like a big picture smell something they laugh, 430 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: you know, um proliferates a bit farther. But I could 431 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 1: I could you categorize what he had as a miasmas 432 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 1: that you can actually see the thing? Yeah, it also 433 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 1: had a miasma was for a time a medical explanation 434 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 1: for the spread of disease, which is very believable. You 435 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: talked about that in the episode about the Great Stink 436 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 1: of London. Uh, And okay, so stinking. You know, of 437 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 1: course there's fetted. Somebody smells fetted, right. Uh. There's also, 438 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:31,920 Speaker 1: of course spoiled. They're spoiling. Uh. And I was trying 439 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: to find a particular word for that stench, that sulfurus 440 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 1: stench of rotten eggs. You guys know what I'm talking 441 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:42,440 Speaker 1: to us. Yeah, I didn't find one. Oh and there's 442 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 1: also funk reek, fustiness, meluderous, nous o, differousness, which is 443 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: kind of fun and rancidity. Yeah, it's rough, but anyhow, 444 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 1: these are all just different words to describe what was happening. 445 00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 1: The Prussian general, by the way, is severely po to that, 446 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,400 Speaker 1: and he says, hang the guy, hang him, hang him. Immediately, 447 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,199 Speaker 1: I can't believe I let that guy go. What was 448 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,239 Speaker 1: I think? In a poop spy. But once he had 449 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 1: calmed down, he said, you know, I feel bad because 450 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 1: I see this guy so obviously again starving his whole life, 451 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 1: and he is openly sobbing. He's blubbering at the gallows, 452 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 1: and so he takes pity on to Rye and he says, Okay, 453 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: I mean, you guys just give him a very very 454 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 1: thorough spanking essentially and go back to the French lines. 455 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 1: So he returned, and he was just doing the thing 456 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: he did earlier. He's just like, you know, running coffee 457 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 1: for people. Yeah. The Prussians essentially just dumped him back 458 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:46,400 Speaker 1: near that military hospital behind French lines. Um, and he 459 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 1: you know, made his case to his superiors, which I 460 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 1: don't think would have been too difficult to make that 461 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 1: he was not cut out for the spies life and 462 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,119 Speaker 1: that he should, you know, not be asked to do 463 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: any more secret missions. He just wanted to be a 464 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:05,239 Speaker 1: regular are smelly foot soldier right exactly. And he had 465 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: kind of a patron and a guy named Baron Percy 466 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 1: at the hospital, and Percy tried to satiated. He gave 467 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 1: him different treatments that were meant to swash his appetite, 468 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,440 Speaker 1: and none of them were successful. I think. Uh, they 469 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: tried tobacco pills, straight up, vinegar, wine vinegar, and laudanum. 470 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,919 Speaker 1: And the thing about the laudanum is I believe opiates 471 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,439 Speaker 1: do actually cause constipation. So maybe that's where he was 472 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 1: going maybe, or you know, I can't imagine that it 473 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 1: would have been particularly comfortable to have all this weird 474 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: crap flitting around in your guts and all of the 475 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 1: long term damage which we will find out, you know, 476 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 1: was the case that it would have done to his insides. Um. 477 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 1: I imagine that the must have been considerable pain a 478 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 1: lot of the time, but you don't really see that 479 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: in the reports. But maybe that was where he was 480 00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 1: coming from as well, with giving him a little something 481 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 1: to ease it. Yeah, and this takes a morbid turn. 482 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 1: We were having fun in a gross way in the 483 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 1: beginning of the episode, but not only did these treatments 484 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 1: not work, as a condition appeared to accelerate. There was 485 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 1: no food that was enough. He had gone past eating trash. 486 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 1: During one episode, he was actually caught drinking blood that 487 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 1: had been drawn from other patients in the hospital and 488 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 1: even nashing on some bodies in the morgue. I mean, yeah, 489 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 1: said at this point, it's just becoming sad and really 490 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 1: really really disturbing. He's almost kind of like taking on 491 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: this kind of gullum like quality where he is just 492 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 1: you know, becoming more and more inhuman. And that is 493 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 1: when the disappearance of a fourteen month old baby began 494 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 1: to generate rumors that Tarar had had somehow gotten a 495 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 1: hold of the baby and and actually eaten it. I mean, 496 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 1: you can't make this stuff up, man. It's uh, that 497 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 1: was at the that was was at the very hospital 498 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 1: that he was admitted to. That's right. And at this 499 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 1: point it's finally too much for Baron Percy. TDAD has 500 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 1: in his mind crossed a line. Even if the historically 501 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 1: we can't confirm this story of the fourteen month old 502 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 1: baby disappearing, everybody believed it in the hospital, right, and 503 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 1: you can see why it's not like they just came 504 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 1: up with a cockamami conspiracy theory. So Baron Percy kicks 505 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: Tarad out the same way that his parents kicked him 506 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 1: out was when he was a teenager, and he has 507 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 1: to fend for himself from then on. He falls off 508 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 1: the radar, is off the grid for like four years, 509 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 1: and then one day Baron Percy hears from him again. 510 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 1: He Trado has turned up in a hospital in Versailles. Yeah, 511 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 1: and he was at this hospital because he was in 512 00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 1: fact dying. Um. This is something that I would have 513 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,239 Speaker 1: thought would have happened much sooner, just considering, you know, 514 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 1: all of the crazy stuff he put in his body, 515 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 1: and that he put his his his digestive track through. 516 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 1: I can't imagine that he was healthy, um at all. 517 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 1: And Baron Percy, who was Baron Percy to him in 518 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 1: the first place, Ben skin of his his patriot, his 519 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 1: benefactor at the hospital, I see, so he he was 520 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 1: with him at this point. Um. And he died ultimately, 521 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 1: uh torout did of tuberculosis in at the young age 522 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 1: of twenty six. Um. And this is probably one of 523 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 1: the most uh nauseating parts of the story. But they 524 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 1: you know, he was absolutely a a fascination and something 525 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 1: that medical science could potentially learn something from. So and 526 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: of course just just an autopsy is something that happens anyway. 527 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: But he was uh cut open, and there are some 528 00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 1: descriptions of his autopsy that are really really graphic and 529 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 1: just you know, they really paint a picture of what 530 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 1: was going on inside this man's body. So I guess 531 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 1: this one falls to me. Split it's that's the set up. 532 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 1: Let's see how long it goes. All right, there's two, 533 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 1: so yeah, I'll do the second one. Let's go back. Okay, 534 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 1: that's that's equit. And this is from all That's Interesting 535 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 1: dot com these accounts, but this is official, very real 536 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 1: accounts of what this autopsy was like. The entrails were putrified, 537 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:36,960 Speaker 1: confounded together, and immersed in pus. The liver was excessively large, 538 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 1: void of consistence, and in a putrescent state. The gall 539 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 1: bladder was of considerable magnitude. The stomach in a lack state, 540 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 1: and having ulcerated patches dispersed about it covered almost the 541 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 1: whole of the addominal region um. His stomach, they found, 542 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 1: was so massive that it very nearly filled his entire 543 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 1: ab nominal cavity. His gullet, likewise, was unusually wide, and 544 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 1: his jaw could stretch so wide open that, as the 545 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 1: reports put it, a cylinder of a foot and circumference 546 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 1: could be introduced without touching his palette. That's insane, And 547 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 1: they don't complete this autopsy spoiler alert. Eventually the smell 548 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 1: of of the corps is too much and they have 549 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 1: to stop. They have to throw in the towel. But 550 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 1: at this point they do learn something. They do have 551 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 1: a takeaway and they say, well, he wasn't making this up. 552 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 1: Every weird thing he ate, everything he did was a 553 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 1: result of this genuine, constant need to eat. He had 554 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 1: been born with this strange body, and as as they 555 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 1: say in All That's Interesting dot com, he had been 556 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 1: cursed to a life of eternal hunger. And let's bracket 557 00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 1: this real quick for the science, right because you said 558 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 1: we're going to follow up on that now. As you said, 559 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 1: he had polyphasia of some sort. So it turns out 560 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 1: it's quite possible that Tara had something called prator Willie syndrome. 561 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 1: Have you heard of this? We talked about this off here. No, 562 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 1: I don't think so. It's it's a genetic disorder wherein 563 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:23,279 Speaker 1: some specific genes lose their function and it results in 564 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 1: a couple of things. So we can build a case 565 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 1: for praetor Willie because people afflicted with this are constantly hungry, 566 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 1: they have mild intellectual impairments, and they will eat tons 567 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 1: and tons of stuff. But here's the thing. People with 568 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 1: creator Willie syndrome tend to grow larger, they become obese. 569 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 1: And that never happened to Tarar. He was he was 570 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 1: kind of a stick the whole time, except when he 571 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 1: was eating and his stomach inflated, right right, I mean, 572 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:55,440 Speaker 1: and then it just snapped back into like a weird 573 00:34:55,600 --> 00:35:01,440 Speaker 1: gelatinous kind of hanging satchel of skin. It's a shame. 574 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 1: It's a shame. The whole thing is a shame. I mean, 575 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 1: you know, and I look, there is some medical research 576 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,279 Speaker 1: behind this condition. Um. I didn't mean to to poop 577 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:14,279 Speaker 1: poo it entirely. I think there's some you know, controversy 578 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 1: behind it. But a guy named Cindy micilroy of who's 579 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:21,239 Speaker 1: a doctor based in Huntington, West Virginia, said that there 580 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 1: could be more of an underlying um condition. Uh that 581 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,880 Speaker 1: is pretty common actually to maybe an extreme version called 582 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 1: hyper thyroidism, which increases metabolism and causes diarrhea, sweating, and 583 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:38,480 Speaker 1: thin hair. I actually have hypo thyroidism, which is an 584 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:42,359 Speaker 1: underactive thyroid. This would be an overactive thyroid that would 585 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:46,200 Speaker 1: cause your metabolism to just balloon out of control. Um. 586 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,319 Speaker 1: And and that that does kind of make sense. Uh 587 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,480 Speaker 1: So I wonder if that's had something to do with it. Um, 588 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,400 Speaker 1: Doctor uh McIlroy seems to think so. Um. And it 589 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,560 Speaker 1: would cause a lot of what tar are suffered from 590 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:02,120 Speaker 1: some of his symptoms, like diarrhea, sweating, and thin hair. 591 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 1: But it wouldn't eat live animals. People with hyperthyroidism toy'll 592 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:10,239 Speaker 1: automatically snack. They don't have cat snacks. They do not. 593 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 1: They do not. And that's why I tend to think 594 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,280 Speaker 1: that there's some combination of a of a mental illness 595 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:19,240 Speaker 1: and a some kind of undiagnosable at the time physical 596 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 1: ailment that sort of perfectly synergized into this bizarre and 597 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:28,200 Speaker 1: aberrant condition. You know. And people have study this guy. 598 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:33,480 Speaker 1: Medical historians have contributed quite a bit of literature to him. 599 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:38,000 Speaker 1: Jon Bondison, it's one of these medical historians works at 600 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:42,280 Speaker 1: the University of Cardiff and Whales, and Dr Bondison says 601 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:47,120 Speaker 1: we will likely never see anything like Tada again. Part 602 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,040 Speaker 1: of it is because medicine has improved so much over 603 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:53,560 Speaker 1: the centuries. Uh. And you know, the hope is that 604 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,840 Speaker 1: if someone with this condition or with this set of 605 00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:02,399 Speaker 1: problems emerged, they would be diagnosed and treated appropriately, right 606 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:06,040 Speaker 1: instead of being pressed into being some sort of poop spy. 607 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,240 Speaker 1: A phrase that will haunt me now as it should, 608 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:14,920 Speaker 1: ben should haunt us all So, so this is the 609 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:19,719 Speaker 1: story of Tara. And the next time that you're hungry, 610 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,080 Speaker 1: or the next time that you are you have eaten 611 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,160 Speaker 1: too much maybe and you're satiated, like our our good 612 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:30,640 Speaker 1: friend impossible Prime Minister, superproducer Casey Pegram, look around the 613 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:35,080 Speaker 1: buffet and thank your lucky stars that you are one 614 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,080 Speaker 1: of the people with the ability to get full. And hey, 615 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,719 Speaker 1: Tarar actually lives on in our popular culture, in our zeitgeist. 616 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:47,200 Speaker 1: He was a pretty popular subject of memes um last year. 617 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,960 Speaker 1: Around August of twenty nineteen, there's a piece in New 618 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:56,160 Speaker 1: York Magazine called the Hot New Meme is Tarra Exciting 619 00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:00,760 Speaker 1: a tumbler um that featured a quite a few memes 620 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:06,440 Speaker 1: referencing um Tarre and his supposed uh consumption of a 621 00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 1: fourteen month old French baby. So if you want to 622 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,000 Speaker 1: check that out, you can go to n y mag 623 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:16,680 Speaker 1: dot com slash Intelligencer, slash two, slash oh A, slash, 624 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:21,200 Speaker 1: Dash Memes, Dash, Tumbler, Dash, squid word dot HDML. I 625 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,840 Speaker 1: just wanted to read a really long, obnoxious U r L, 626 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:28,799 Speaker 1: so I do want to point out this as well. 627 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,440 Speaker 1: UH and we'll we'll need to bleep this, so use 628 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:36,440 Speaker 1: your imagination. Someone posted on tumbler. I know tar is 629 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,319 Speaker 1: the joke of the hour, but it's so incredibly messed up. 630 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,400 Speaker 1: How even now no one has any concrete explanation for 631 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,280 Speaker 1: what his condition was, and a case like that has 632 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:49,520 Speaker 1: not been recorded since like literally what the He's like 633 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:53,920 Speaker 1: a really x man, which is kind of true, you know. 634 00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,600 Speaker 1: And one of them is uh from an account by 635 00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:01,279 Speaker 1: the name of Johnny Joe's Terrible Table Uh. And it 636 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,600 Speaker 1: the caption reads, when you're a fourteen month old French 637 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,160 Speaker 1: infant in a military hospital in the late eighteenth century 638 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,920 Speaker 1: and that weird hungry guy comes into your room and 639 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,000 Speaker 1: it's a picture of squid word from SpongeBob sitting up 640 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:17,120 Speaker 1: in bed with his eyes wide boom boom. Indeed. Huh yeah, absolutely, 641 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,120 Speaker 1: uh so I think that's that's a good place to 642 00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,239 Speaker 1: leave it. In the present. Yes, in the present, and 643 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:27,200 Speaker 1: right around lunchtime oddly enough. Uh, maybe I'll hit up 644 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,920 Speaker 1: the buffet somewhere. Thank you as always to our super producer, 645 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,520 Speaker 1: Casey Pegram, Thank you to Gabe, Thank you to Christopher, 646 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:39,400 Speaker 1: thank you to Eaves. Huge thanks to research associate Gabe Loser. 647 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:44,839 Speaker 1: Uh Jonathan's trickling the notorious quister Um wherever he may lurk. 648 00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,640 Speaker 1: I hope he's okay. If you want to check us 649 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,600 Speaker 1: out on social media, you can do so by joining 650 00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:55,000 Speaker 1: the Ridiculous Historians Facebook group on Facebook. All you gotta 651 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:56,880 Speaker 1: do is name me or Ben or Casey or some 652 00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,120 Speaker 1: combination of our names or some kind of reference. 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Uh so yeah, yeah, 662 00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:25,920 Speaker 1: so I would let you over for that about could 663 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,040 Speaker 1: never come up with that pun, not yet, but we 664 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,920 Speaker 1: looked at the future. Uh And of course also shout 665 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:35,120 Speaker 1: out to Alex Williams uh our composer, who also has 666 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,320 Speaker 1: a podcast of his own that history fans will enjoy 667 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,640 Speaker 1: called Ephemeral Check it out while you're on the internet 668 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,359 Speaker 1: as well, said we are people in our own right. 669 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:44,960 Speaker 1: You can follow me on Twitter where I'm at then 670 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,480 Speaker 1: Bowling hs W. You can follow me on Instagram where 671 00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:52,719 Speaker 1: I am at Ben Bowling. Uh and oh no, thanks 672 00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,279 Speaker 1: to you. I think I think we're both pretty lucky 673 00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,640 Speaker 1: that we can be satisfied with, you know, just a 674 00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,880 Speaker 1: good sammy. Yeah in case I love because I know 675 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,680 Speaker 1: you're have you have you made it through your case 676 00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:04,759 Speaker 1: city a phase or you think you're back in man, 677 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,279 Speaker 1: I just can't quit them. Yeah. Is it a sandwich? Though? 678 00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:11,239 Speaker 1: See this is god. You know it's twenty Why are 679 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,000 Speaker 1: we still stuck in labels? I would see it functions 680 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:15,719 Speaker 1: as a sandwich. I would tend to agree with you, 681 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,080 Speaker 1: Ben let us know what you guys think. We'll see 682 00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:28,720 Speaker 1: you next time. Fix For more podcasts for my heart Radio, 683 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,440 Speaker 1: visit the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever 684 00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:33,120 Speaker 1: you listen to your favorite shows.