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Speaker 1: Stuff you should Know from House Stuff Works dot com. Hey,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark with Charles W.

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Speaker 1: Chuck Bryant. And although we haven't been in the studio

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Speaker 1: and Jerry's over there. Although we haven't been in the studio, Chuck,

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Speaker 1: can I have been together on the road, Yeah, doing

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Speaker 1: stuff you should know the podcast, calling live exclamation, leaving

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Speaker 1: our stank all over this great nation, hoping to bring

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Speaker 1: our stank into other great nations. Yeah, we're looking at you,

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Speaker 1: Great Britain. We have no idea whether you want us

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Speaker 1: to come over or not. We're trying to feel you

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Speaker 1: guys out. Let us know if you want us to

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Speaker 1: come to a show there. Yeah, and that goes for

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Speaker 1: other cities. Um, well, let's just recap. We went to

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Speaker 1: We had a great fun time on the Warm Climbs tour.

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Speaker 1: Big thanks to squarespace again for sponsoring the tour uh

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Speaker 1: and allowing UH the free printing and giving out of

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Speaker 1: posters which is always wonderful when people say how much

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Speaker 1: did these costs? And I say zero money because Uncle

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Speaker 1: squarespace pay. That's right. So we went to San Francisco.

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Speaker 1: That was fantastic. Um, you want to tell your San

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Speaker 1: Francisco story, it's so wonderful. The little kid. Yeah. So

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Speaker 1: I was on Fillmore Street, which is my new favorite

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Speaker 1: street in San Francisco, and there's this little girl crying

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Speaker 1: what the girl's problem was until I overheard her mom say, no, honey,

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Speaker 1: he's not throwing that away. That's a recycling. Then he's

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Speaker 1: putting that cup. And I swear to God that happen. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it could not be more San Francisco than that. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I can top that. That same street later that day

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Speaker 1: about that point and she had her arm in a

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Speaker 1: sling and the sling was berber wow. And the cast

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Speaker 1: was probably made from like recycled bandages from you know,

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Speaker 1: patients who didn't make it or once who did. They

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Speaker 1: just took him anyway, right, Uh? Oh, very nice Monty

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Speaker 1: Python reference. Uh. Then we went to San Diego performed

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Speaker 1: in a church, yes ironic, Yeah, which was a little

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Speaker 1: weird but cool and fun. It was the church from

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Speaker 1: the Prince of Darkness. That's right, or at least it

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Speaker 1: was after we left. I'm virtually convinced that's what it was.

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Speaker 1: It might have been. I have to go back and

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Speaker 1: And the Dallas crowd was great and raucous and they

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Speaker 1: aye haw and they hold back. It was an involuntary

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Speaker 1: spasm from the Dallas crowd. And they also at least

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Speaker 1: two or three people shot guns into the air. And

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Speaker 1: you saw Tim Gallant hat. Yes, did it hold ten

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Speaker 1: Then we went to Austin, Texas, which is a wonderful city.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, we're gonna be back in Austin

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Speaker 1: for South by Southwest, uh and performing and our very

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Speaker 1: own we're getting like our own house, not of stuff

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Speaker 1: you should know house, you know, like the speakeasy we're

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Speaker 1: gonna be there. Yeah, the City of Atlanta speakeasy house

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Speaker 1: I think like fifth in Congress or something like. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So look for us again Austin, Texas in March. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys have heard of it

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Speaker 1: look at him. Where do we go next? We went

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Speaker 1: you may have of us, they're wrong. Entertain us smartly. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: really neat and they were very nice. All podcasters out

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Speaker 1: there who go on tour, check out Workplay in Birmingham.

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Speaker 1: There were dogs running around after inside there, which is

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Speaker 1: perfect for us. That's our tour. Yeah, thanks everybody, And

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Speaker 1: if you're wondering what we did, you have to wait

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Speaker 1: until we released the live show. That's right. Oh. One

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Speaker 1: more quick announcement, um, if anyone in Atlanta wants to

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Speaker 1: come see my mediocre old man band, Oh, we are

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Speaker 1: playing February twenty six at the Starbar. Awesome. I'm super

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Speaker 1: excited because it's just the age old great venue in

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Speaker 1: you smelt some faces? Is that what you guys? Dos? Shredding?

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Speaker 1: Shredding my friend nice? So that's it. You got any

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Speaker 1: other announcements? No, great, I don't have an old man band,

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Speaker 1: you want. Nice. Great, let's see what else, Chuck, land diving.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we've put it off long enough. That's right,

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Speaker 1: all right, the land diving. It sounds weird, and it

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Speaker 1: in which case it wouldn't be ancient. No, but it's

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Speaker 1: still be. This still distant past is ancient? Is that quantified? Uh? No?

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Speaker 1: I never even thought to see surely it's not. Why

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Speaker 1: Why don't you just continue? I might even look it up, okay,

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Speaker 1: which we rarely do. So Chuck's gonna look that up.

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Speaker 1: I'll keep talking. There's an island called Vanuatu. It's in

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Speaker 1: the South Pacific. Survivor did a season there, but even

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Speaker 1: Pentecost Island is where this the the origin of land

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Speaker 1: diving or something called. It's called nag hall or nag

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Speaker 1: You did funnog hall anyway, you say that a bunch

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Speaker 1: you're squeaky clean. So this land diving thing, it's not

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Speaker 1: a striking resemblance to bungee jumping. And the reason why

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Speaker 1: a big difference between bungee and land diving. Yeah, he

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Speaker 1: didn't invent it, but he popularized it. Who invented bungee jumping?

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Speaker 1: he traveled the world bungee jumping. Yeah. Ninety nine. The

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Speaker 1: Marinus um. Yeah. I don't think they didn't give a name,

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Speaker 1: land diving in Vanuatu. But it can also just mean

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Speaker 1: not wearing the ancient underwear you're wearing. This is very

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Speaker 1: new from last quarter your underwear. Yeah, okay, good, do

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Speaker 1: you buy your underwear quarterly? Do the texas by the underwear?

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Speaker 1: to traditional rituals in or outside of Vanuatu. Is what

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Speaker 1: tribal ritual like we own it, right, so Westerners just

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Speaker 1: intellectual property laws don't apply to your tribal customs. All right,

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Speaker 1: Since we were long winded at first, why don't we

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Speaker 1: goes on with these dives. All right? Josh, you said

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Speaker 1: so that's kind of phase one, the construction phase. And

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00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,399
Speaker 1: then finally the day of knock Hall comes and the

421
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,160
Speaker 1: night before they jump, all the people who are going

422
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:16,640
Speaker 1: to jump sleep out at the foot of the platform. Sex. Yeah,

423
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 1: that's a big superstation. Have sex of the night before.

424
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 1: They say that it'll throw off your jump. Sure. Uh.

425
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 1: And actually the guy who jumped and died in front

426
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:28,879
Speaker 1: of Queen Elizabeth, Uh, he had a lucky charm on him.

427
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 1: I thought you're about to say he had sex with

428
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 1: Queen Elizabeth, Right, that's you. And so that's another table.

429
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,120
Speaker 1: No sex with Queen Elizabeth. Um, he had a lucky

430
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:42,360
Speaker 1: charm on him. So now lucky charms are considered bad luck. Um,

431
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,440
Speaker 1: so there's some there's some superstitions considering the whole thing

432
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,880
Speaker 1: or surrounding the whole thing. Um. But the the night

433
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 1: before they will sleep out in front of the platform,

434
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 1: and then when they wake up, they just immediately start

435
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,919
Speaker 1: drumming and like cooking and like it's a huge party,

436
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 1: like the moment they wake up. And that same elder

437
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 1: that that supervises the construction is also the man who

438
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 1: picks out all the vines for all the jumpers. And

439
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: it says right here in the article there's there's no

440
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 1: maths involved. Um he Basically it said works from experience

441
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 1: and trial and error in selecting the appropriate length of vine. Um.

442
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:26,440
Speaker 1: So hopefully you apprentice as an elder. Sure you know, yeah,

443
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: and it's not just like I've never done this before,

444
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 1: but let's see what happens. Yeah, but like I said,

445
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 1: only in the ninety four and two thousand six deaths

446
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 1: in modern times, so they're doing it right. They are

447
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,679
Speaker 1: doing it right. I'm sure there are injuries though, broken

448
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 1: shoulders and and broken arms and spleen bursts is a

449
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: big problem. Oh the old, the old spleen versus, especially

450
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 1: if the vine is too short and you slam into

451
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 1: the platform. Yeah, like that's what you would think, is, no,

452
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 1: just make it super short. But because it's not a bungee,

453
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,160
Speaker 1: you jump out and you swing right back into that thing.

454
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 1: So you like, there is a tremendous amount of skill

455
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 1: and look in selecting the vine length because I mean

456
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: you have to take into account, well, what platform are

457
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 1: you jumping from? How long are you? Or tall is

458
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: another way to put it. Um. And again the the

459
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: you want to have a vine that's very supple, has

460
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: a lot of sap and no dry spot in it,

461
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: because a vine is only as strong as its weakest

462
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 1: dry spot. That's the old thing. Uh So the first

463
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: jumper gets up there, and every jumper to follow um

464
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 1: still traditionally will say a few words um at the top.

465
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 1: That could be his last words, you never know. Um.

466
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 1: And it ranges from let me get a few things

467
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: off my chest here, um, clear up a couple of like,

468
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: you know, issues I've had with people, maybe any outstanding

469
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 1: beefs once stolely yam. Maybe it's really kind of up

470
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 1: to them from some people mind really like some people

471
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: really ham it up up there because the crowd is

472
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,679
Speaker 1: just en wrapped by you. Is your moment, it's a

473
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 1: big moment like that. You can have them eating out

474
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: of your hands. Some people do. Some people sing a song,

475
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 1: they're like the whitey really loves this part, so let

476
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 1: me put on a good show. Or they tell jokes

477
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 1: or something like that. Yeah. Um, And when I say Whitey.

478
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: I mean, like, you know, people like Whitey Ford, people

479
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: that pay four dollars after spending thousands to travel here

480
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 1: to witness this ancient custom. Well I'm not ancient custom. Yeah.

481
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: I don't think clearing that up's gonna help. I think

482
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,439
Speaker 1: you're still going to get a ton of emails for

483
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,360
Speaker 1: that one. You know, if someone white writes in and

484
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 1: takes a task with me saying whitey, then come on

485
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: bring it, That's what I say. Uh So when they

486
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: make the jump, um, the crowd is silent initially right

487
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: before the leap, and then much rejoicing right afterwards, and

488
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: it's all you know, it's over in a second, especially

489
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: if the person is okay. There's a lot of rejoicing

490
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: right after. But I guess everybody rushes over and like

491
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: unties the vines and they're like, get okay, suck it out.

492
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: Is a salt tablet uh So we did mention the tourism,

493
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: and I think I just dropped the three fifty references,

494
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: and that's just for the actual let me pay to

495
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: witness this cost a lot more to to get there.

496
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and you know, if you can find a

497
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: three fifty dollar package to get you from your house

498
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: in the United States to Vanawat to you take that

499
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 1: package now because you have to fly in by seaplane.

500
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: They do they have an airport, right that I know of.

501
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: I wonder where you would fly into to get to

502
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 1: vanawa to surely there's an international airport in Vanawatt. It's

503
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: South Pacific, right, Yeah, yeah, who knows. I'm sure they

504
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 1: did the Survivor show there, so I'm sure there's just

505
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: they constructed an airport. But then they're also like nothing

506
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: but sour grapes because they tore it down right after.

507
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: They're like, well, we don't need this anymore. Did you

508
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: ever watch that show? I saw like the first season.

509
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: I think I did too. I think it's still going miraculous?

510
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: Is it really? Maybe? Maybe not? But I know it

511
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: went on far longer then I believed it did. I

512
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: would guess what maybe in the seventeen seventeen seasons, twenty

513
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 1: season something like that. Crazy. So, uh, we also should

514
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: mention the garb women on the island or in their

515
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: traditional grass skirts and uh, not much of anything else.

516
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: And the men where this is during nogal typically they

517
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 1: dress like in western clothing. Yeah, it's during nogal. It's

518
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: like yet another nod to like this, this is our tradition,

519
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: this is our customs. So they were like the you know,

520
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: ninety nineties Bulls NBA champion T shirt always picture stuff

521
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: like that there. Uh yeah, there is I think a

522
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: Planet Money series or something like that about how our

523
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: clothes end up elsewhere in the world. Uh. So yeah,

524
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: every Saturday, the women are like seeing next week bra

525
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: and top and everything. Uh. And the men, um say,

526
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: ceo clothing. Uh, and let me just get out my

527
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: peanut sheath which I keep in the pocket of my levies.

528
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: And that's all they're wearing. Um, they do wear. Um,

529
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: some of them wear like boars tusks around their neck

530
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: and things like that. And they're anointed with oil, coconut oil,

531
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: and but um, aside from that, they're they're not wearing

532
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: mini clothes. It's pretty neat, man, the whole thing it is.

533
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: And um, I think we didn't mention it's a twofold purpose.

534
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: These days. Not only are they ensuring the yam harvest,

535
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: but young boys after they are circumcised at seven or

536
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: eight years old can participate as a way of like

537
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: showing their transcendence into manhood, right, and they'll typically jump

538
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: from a lower platform and work their way up the

539
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: kid pool, but their mom's watch and apparently they hold

540
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: like some sort of like item from their childhood, like

541
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: their binkie or something like that. Then after their sun

542
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: lands they they throw it away because he's not like,

543
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: he's not a boy anymore, he's a man. A neat ritual.

544
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: It is very neat, except for the eight year old

545
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: getting circumcised part. Yeah. And also it said that sometimes

546
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: these boys are just trying to impress a girl, you know,

547
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: like look at me jumping from the fifteen foot platform,

548
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: which is adorable. It is pretty cute. Um. And one

549
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: other thing I want to say, Chuck, I thought was

550
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: pretty neat. There have been plenty of documentary companies that

551
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: have been allowed on the island to film, and you know,

552
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: it's become like a big thing. Um. But the government

553
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 1: of Vanuatu said, you know what, this is getting to commercialized.

554
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: So you guys can keep coming and see it tourists,

555
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: but um, we're not going to let on the way

556
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: out right. Well, we're not gonna let you guys film

557
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 1: this anymore because we don't want to. We don't want

558
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: to overexploit it. Yeah, I think it was that two

559
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 1: thousand six, the moratorium on filming. I thought that was

560
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: very neat. Yeah, I think it's just I mean, you

561
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: get caught up in this modern world as uh Americans,

562
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: and it's just amazing to think that there are still

563
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: places in the world where it's you know, unspoiled to

564
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: a certain degree. Yeah, although they do this in Iowa too.

565
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: Do you like that? That was great? Uh? If you

566
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: want to know more about um land diving, you can

567
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Speaker 1: type the word those words. It's two words into the

568
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: search bar how stiffords dot com. Since I said search bar,

569
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: time for listener mail. All right, I'm gonna call this

570
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: uh Timber episode one of my favorites of recent memory. Somehow,

571
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: are you out of your mind? I thought it was great.

572
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: You didn't like it? No, No, it's just so much

573
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: you say that after every episode. No, this one in particular,

574
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, what do you think it was?

575
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: The trickle of blood came out of my ear. It

576
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 1: was so much glory. Well, we heard from the timber

577
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: industry they loved it. Oh yeah, the paper industry or

578
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 1: the timber industry. Timber guys lumberjacks. I'm guessing the paper

579
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: industry didn't like that one. Maybe not. Hey, guys, I'm

580
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 1: a doctoral student in environmental economics and Oregon, and I'm

581
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: close to the topic of forest both personally and academically.

582
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 1: Perhaps it's just a topic for another podcast. But one

583
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: oversight and the timber discussion, was that of non timber

584
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: forest products in t FPS like mushrooms, berries, and roots, like,

585
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 1: they're not a product. I wouldn't have thought of any

586
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: of those things as timber product. Yeah, that's no, it's

587
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: non timber. Oh, non timber forest products. Yes, well yeah,

588
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: woodchuck stands. These are a major source of income and subsistence, Uh.

589
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 1: Subsistence excuse me, uh in many lower income countries and communities,

590
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,439
Speaker 1: a valuable driver tourism, and are often culturally important as well. Also,

591
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: wild mushroom and berry harvest here and a civic Northwest

592
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: can have high yields, and in some instance is may

593
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: have a higher economic value than that of the harvested

594
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: timber on any given plot. Sure uh, find some truffles. Uh.

595
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: These NTFP stocks, however, usually depend on the tree the

596
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: tree stand remaining in place, or at least not being

597
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: completely depleted. Some species even depend on forest fires or

598
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: rotting trees. Researchers just haven't spent a lot of time

599
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: on the economics surrounding this topic yet, I guess because

600
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: they're you know, they're all just like timber, timber, timber,

601
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: that's all the forest is exactly. This guy's got some

602
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: he's got he can see the forest from the trees exactly,

603
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: or the vice versa. Also, just to chime in on

604
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: developed versus non industrialized semantics, I prefer to use the

605
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: term low or lower income country. I feel like a

606
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,240
Speaker 1: lot of the terms like underdeveloped and developing in particular,

607
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: involve a lot of value judgments about the people and

608
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:55,919
Speaker 1: discussions on the topic of development. UH of development. People

609
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: also regularly get confused about what is meant by developer

610
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: developing is develop to measure of capital accumulation, median income,

611
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,800
Speaker 1: poverty levels, happiness. Yeah, I'm sure there are plenty of

612
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: people UH develop development economics who would disagree with me

613
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: in my terminology, but that's what I like to use.

614
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: The dude raises a really good point. It's virtually impossible, though,

615
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: to compare the economies of two different countries and not

616
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: be like, oh, this one's better, that one's better, and

617
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: it's almost all through this western lens. They got more money,

618
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 1: they have more access to handy technology, and there's a

619
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: lot of stuff that's not taken into account where no,

620
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 1: that's not necessarily true. I like this guy's outlook. Well,

621
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Speaker 1: I mean, at least it's good that we've gone from

622
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: you know, savages to third world to developing two. I mean,

623
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: he knows what the next phrase will be, but well,

624
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: you know, third world was originally used to describe a

625
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 1: country that wasn't aligned with the US or the USSR.

626
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: It was like a non non It was a neutral

627
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: country during the Cold War. It didn't have an economic association.

628
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: Horror military sissies. Right, So pretty interesting, great email, Michael,

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