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Welcome back to another Boxing with 37 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: Chris Mannox. As always, you can listen to the show 38 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:18,639 Speaker 1: live on the AMP app. Just follow Chris Mannix on AMP. 39 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: All Right, there is a debate raging right now on television, 40 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: on podcasts, on social media about the MVP voting in 41 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: the NBA, specifically as we come down to the final 42 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 1: month of the regular season, the voting for this year's 43 00:02:55,840 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: MVP where there are probably three, maybe four top candidates 44 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: for that award, and in general, I feel like there 45 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: has been some attacks on the voting and the voters 46 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: over the last couple of months about the process. Some 47 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: of them can be dismissed rather easily. I mean, I 48 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: don't want to get too deep into what Kendrick Perkins 49 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: said on ESPN about race and voting. Because of race, 50 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: his take was pretty quickly dismissed after, you know, when 51 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: he pulled his stat out of his ass about eighty 52 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: percent of NBA voters are white, and ESPNA to apologize 53 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 1: on air because of that. I don't look at that 54 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: take as being anything that I want to jump into. 55 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: But Nick Wright, who was the host of First Thing 56 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: First on Fox Sports one, the What's Right podcast, he 57 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: has been making some points that have bothered me. Okay, well, 58 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: real quick, before we get to Hi, Chris, thanks for 59 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: having me on. Before we get to the points I've 60 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: made that have bothered you. Can we spend two minutes 61 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: on the Kendrick stuff for a moment? Okay, yeah, okay, yes, 62 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: I know you're talking a little bit about this on 63 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,280 Speaker 1: Colins Show, but let's yeah. Let me ask you this. 64 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:23,919 Speaker 1: Do you think that the NBA world, fans and media 65 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: mostly fans, but throw media as well, would have been 66 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: quicker to recognize that Alex Caruso is an awesome player 67 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 1: if he wasn't a prematurely balding white guy, because I do. 68 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 1: Do you think that sometimes white players get reflexively dismissed 69 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: at times, not because people are out and out racists, 70 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 1: but because of preconceived notions or whatever, and that the 71 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 1: average white player gets treated like they're a below average 72 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 1: player until proven otherwise. Do you think that it wasn't No, well, 73 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: you're assuming kind of a fact, not in evidence. I 74 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 1: don't think Alex Russo is an awesome player. I think 75 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 1: Alex Kaso is a useful player who can defend a 76 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 1: couple of positions and is a valuable player on a 77 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: championship team. But I don't think anything I has to 78 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 1: do with I think of Alex Caruso in kind of 79 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: the same ways I thought about Malik Monk last year 80 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 1: with the George kind of the same ways that I 81 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 1: think of Malik Beasley right now with the Lakers. Sure, 82 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: maybe awesome was the wrong way to put it. The 83 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: point that I was trying to lead to is, while 84 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: I understand JJ got very upset because he didn't understand 85 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: the difference between saying race might be playing a factor 86 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 1: and calling people racists, I do think I believe that 87 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 1: our evaluation of basketball players at times cuts both directions 88 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 1: against non black players, which is I think the app 89 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: the typical white player gets downgraded a bit in the 90 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 1: view of the average fan, and I think that the great, 91 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:03,679 Speaker 1: undeniably awesome white player sometimes gets a few extra bonus points. 92 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: I think we have a long history can document that, 93 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: and I do think that is not calling anyone or racist, 94 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: and so in just in defense of Kendrick, I think 95 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: that that it is his point that once we have 96 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: a guy that is undeniably great, if they're white, that 97 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 1: sometimes they get a few extra percentage points credit. I 98 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: think we have a long history of that, and I 99 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: think Nash benefited from it, and I think maybe yokiches. 100 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: But if we remove race entirely from it. We can 101 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 1: still have this discussion, but I didn't want to just 102 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: dismiss I thought Kendrick got accused of calling people racist 103 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 1: when he was not calling people racist, And why was 104 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: it if there was an implication. Look, you can't come 105 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 1: out and say inaccurately that eighty percent of the voters 106 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 1: are whites and not at least plant the seed that 107 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 1: race is involved in the discussion, of course, but there's 108 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 1: a difference between the analogy I used on my podcast 109 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: today is and I do my podcast with my son 110 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: who is black. If someone sees us together and says, 111 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: I saw you guys doing the podcast, I had no 112 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: idea that you're dad. Race is a huge reason why 113 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: they didn't think I'm his dad, But that that is 114 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: not at all a racist thing to assume. Do you 115 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: follow me? Sometimes racist a factor without the people being racists. 116 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: But I don't. I know. That's not why you brought 117 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: me on. You brought me on because of the things 118 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: I've said that are incredibly, unimpeachably accurate, and you don't 119 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: know what to do with them. Here's my biggest problem. 120 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: And we can get into the minutia of what you 121 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: said and your points specifically, I know that you prepare 122 00:07:54,680 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: fastidiously for your show. You are extremely prepared every morning, 123 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: now every afternoon, for every podcast that you do. What 124 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: you've been doing over the last month, and I first 125 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: heard it when you filled in for Colin on The Herd, 126 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: and I heard you talking about it a little bit 127 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 1: with Colin earlier this week. What you've been doing is 128 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: you have been implying in some ways even calling the 129 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: people that vote for MVP lazy. And you have been 130 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: implying that the people that vote for MVP are not 131 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 1: doing the kind of diligence they need to do a 132 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 1: vote like this. And look, I have been a voter 133 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: for the better part of a decade. And look, you 134 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: do a lot of reporting on your show, like you 135 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: will make phone calls to people to try to bring 136 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: some sourcing onto the show. This has been a position 137 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 1: that you've taken for several weeks now. You've talked about 138 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: this topic. This has been a pressing topic on television. 139 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: You have taken this position. And maybe you can tell me, 140 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: but I don't know that you've reached out to one 141 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,959 Speaker 1: actual voter to discuss the process. You haven't reached out 142 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 1: to me, I could tell you my process. In fact, 143 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: I'm real quick. I'm going to tell you my process 144 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 1: because when the end of the season comes around last week, 145 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 1: last two weeks, putting aside the build up to it, 146 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 1: right Like, so, I go to dozens of games every 147 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:28,319 Speaker 1: single year. I watch hundreds of games every single year. 148 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:30,959 Speaker 1: I don't watch every Nicola Yokich game in the same 149 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 1: way I don't watch every Joel mb game. You can't 150 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,319 Speaker 1: do it. What I also do, though, is I've got 151 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:43,199 Speaker 1: a whole slew of NBA people that I talk to, converse, text, 152 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: whatever on a regular basis, and I will send message 153 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: to them and I will say, simply, who would you 154 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: vote for MVP? It's not a poll. I don't vote. 155 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 1: I don't take numbers and vote on the outcome. But 156 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: I take note of what they say and how they 157 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 1: say it and their argument, and I factor that into 158 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: my decision to vote for MVP. So I did take offense, 159 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:08,439 Speaker 1: and I was insulted by the idea that you were 160 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: putting to the people that watch you on TV, the 161 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: people that follow you on social media, that voters kind 162 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: of just get to the end of the season. Look 163 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 1: at the raptor rankings and decide who knows to vote. Okay, 164 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: that was the implication, whether whether you think it or not. Okay, 165 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 1: So it wasn't just the raptor rankings to be fair, 166 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 1: but the I don't think people are. I didn't call 167 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: the current voters lazy. I never said it. I called 168 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: him arrogant, and that I stand the cousin of it. 169 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: That that's kind of a cousin. No, No, I didn't 170 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: mean those are I'm I don't know. No one has 171 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: ever called me lazy about anything. Everyone has always called 172 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: me arrogant. So I don't know if they're how related 173 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 1: they actually are. So you, I am not doubting how 174 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 1: much people watch or any of them. I am questioning 175 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: whether or not the current crop of voters believe all 176 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: that they have it right and every other era generation 177 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: of voters have had it wrong. Because in order for 178 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: this guy to win last year, they had to say Nope, 179 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 1: winning not as important as everyone else has always said 180 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:27,319 Speaker 1: it is. And this year they have to say nope, 181 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:31,479 Speaker 1: everything is siloed. It is one year in time, snapshot. 182 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:38,079 Speaker 1: No history matters, because we have seen we have seen 183 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 1: so many great players win back to back and then 184 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: be essentially deemed ineligible the third year, and this current 185 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: group of voters is saying they were wrong. That the 186 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: voters who did that, some of whom are the same 187 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 1: voters that did it to Jannis three years ago. We 188 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: have right, they have it wrong. I find that galling. 189 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 1: And I would also say this, the current group of voters, 190 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: do you when you're calling making these phone calls when 191 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 1: you're talking, In fact, I will just ask you directly, 192 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: is Nikola yokis the best player in the league. I'm 193 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: not asking about MVP, I'm not I'm asking is he 194 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: the best player in the league? No, okay, if we 195 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 1: just go to back to back MVPs, so Wilt Russell 196 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: best player, best player, Kareem Moses was at least arguable. 197 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: Some would say no, but he was the best player 198 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:38,559 Speaker 1: then on the greatest team ever, H Bird Magic, Michael Duncan, 199 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 1: not leaving anybody out. Nash set him aside Lebron, Lebron again, 200 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: Steph Jannis, now Yoki. So that's twelve, now thirteen names, 201 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 1: eleven of them. If you did a straw polesy, the 202 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: best player in the league would have won it. Nash 203 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: probably wouldn't have won it. And now Yoki. So again 204 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: you're last year, you guys jam you guys said we 205 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: know better. You don't have to be the best player 206 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: in the league. Okay, I want to jump in on 207 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 1: that just for for context here, two years ago, I 208 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: voted for Yokis for MVP, his first MVP. I thought 209 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:19,199 Speaker 1: it was better than Yannis that year, simple as that. 210 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: That's not if Yannis was what coming off the two 211 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: straight about better than thought others were better than honest too, 212 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 1: that year, I thought yokich is primary competition in that 213 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: seventy two game season was Embiid. I didn't vote for 214 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 1: Embiid because Embiid played fifty one of those games, and 215 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: games played matters even in a fifty seventy two games season. 216 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 1: Fifty one was just too little, right, So the fall 217 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: I said, if you remember that year I was advocating 218 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: for Chris Paul, Yeah, there was. I don't I don't 219 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: think there was voter fatigue when it comes to I 220 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: don't think there was a standard set when it comes 221 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,079 Speaker 1: to Yanni. I don't think Yes played to that level 222 00:13:58,160 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: that year. Oh, I don't think he was on that 223 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: same level. While I didn't vote, wouldn't have voted for Yannis. 224 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: I think what was being held against Yannis was the 225 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: playoff flame outs. Yeah, but I think you just guy, 226 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 1: wouldn't you wouldn't You just said you wouldn't have voted 227 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: against Yannis, So you were having the same mindset. Everybody 228 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 1: else was not to vote for Yannis because he wasn't. 229 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: But for me it was because of the playoffs. But 230 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: I but just so you know, I would have voted 231 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: Chris Paul because if if you're gonna, you can't. In 232 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: my belief, and again all of the history of voting, 233 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 1: belief was, first of all, you can't really win three 234 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: in a row under almost any circumstances. But if you're 235 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: going to, you better also be winning championships along the way. 236 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 1: So Jannis, to me, went into that year de facto ineligible. 237 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: I know people get mad at that, but I but 238 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: also a lot of the people are now voting for Yokis. 239 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: We heard the pod, We heard them talking about that 240 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: with in regards Yannas. But go ahead, so I interrupt you. 241 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: So that last year, so two years ago, I voted 242 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: Yokis the seventy two game season. Last year I voted 243 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: mb because mbad played six eight games. He was dominant 244 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: on both ends of the floor, and as far as 245 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: intangibles go, I gave him beat a lot of credit 246 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: for navigating the Sixers through that car wreck that Ben 247 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: Simmons drove God too, like, I thought he deserved something 248 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: a plus because of that. But to go back to 249 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: two years, the year before that, Yokich, sorry, even last year, 250 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: last year when Yokis did win, even though I didn't 251 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: vote for him, he did win. I think a lot 252 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: of people gave him credit because he played outstanding and 253 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: even though the Nuggets were not a top three team. 254 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: Take a look Nick at the guys he was playing with. 255 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: Did you do you see the guy hold On? In 256 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: Game five of that series against Golden State, they got 257 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: beat in the first round. Golden State eventually won the title, 258 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: so they got beat by the best team that was 259 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: out there. In Game five of that series, the last game, 260 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 1: Yoki started the game with Jeff Green, Monty Morris, Aaron Gordon, 261 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: and Will Barton. Who is winning at least at a 262 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 1: playoff level against a champion, against the eventual champions. Who 263 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: is winning? But that is where the logic gets circular, 264 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: and that is what is so frustrating. Everyone says, you 265 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 1: can't hold the first round loss against him because it 266 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: came to the Warriors, which is why it behooves you 267 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: to not play the Warriors in round one, which is 268 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: why we don't give the MVPs to six seeds because 269 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: they likely will get bounced in round one because they're 270 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: playing an excellent team. And so I don't And I 271 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: understand you didn't vote for him last year, and last year. 272 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: I advocated last year for Luca because everyone's everyone's talking 273 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: supporting cast. Luca was without his second best player, Tim 274 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: Hardaway junior. Now Jaalen became a second best player and 275 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 1: that team won more. And do I feel vindicated that 276 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: the two guys I've had the last two years, one 277 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 1: of them in Luca made the conference finals beating the 278 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: one seed Suns, and the other one Chris Paul, swept 279 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 1: Yokich's team out. Yeah, a little bit, but I but 280 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: it is it is to me there there there, we 281 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:19,919 Speaker 1: keep moving the goal posts, and you said at the 282 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: top of the show, there are three and then you 283 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 1: said maybe four. I don't know who the fourth would be. 284 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:27,919 Speaker 1: To me, Yo kitchen beating Janis have separated themselves. I 285 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: was giving I'm giving Luca a puncher's chance in the 286 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 1: final twenty games. Okay, that's fair enough. They'd have to 287 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 1: go like twelve and three or something to get the 288 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: record up there, because his numbers are unbelievable, and Luca 289 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: was my preseason pick. But it's they haven't one enough. 290 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 1: But what was so frustrating me? And you asked me 291 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: something earlier that I'm not trying to skirt like, did 292 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: I call a lot of voters? I did not. I 293 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: was reacting directly to Bond Timps's column and the fact 294 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 1: that it was not close. And that is what to 295 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: me is where whether it's what Perkins brought up, the 296 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 1: history stuff I've brought up to me, everything should be 297 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 1: looked at if in a year where Imbed is averaging 298 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: more points than anyone has averaged in forty years not 299 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: named Jordan, Kobe or Harden, when Jannis has the best 300 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: record of all of them, right, and when both of 301 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 1: those guys are demonstrably better on one end of the court, 302 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 1: to say it's a runaway, to say it's a route 303 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 1: to me to get back to your original point, does 304 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: make one thing that the advanced numbers, which are not 305 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: a perfect science are having a wildly disproportionate impact on 306 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: this discussion. I don't think that's a hot take. I 307 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: think it's not a hot take. But one thing I 308 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 1: think that has to be worked into this conversation that 309 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: we're having on March ninth is that, you know, Tim 310 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:11,199 Speaker 1: Bontemps asks voters, you know for their top five. I 311 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: think it's January, February, late January, probably I have to 312 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: go back and look at my text messages when he 313 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: actually asked me for my top five. When he asked, 314 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 1: everybody takes a while to compile them all that that 315 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: was before the fifteen game winning streak by the Bucks. 316 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,679 Speaker 1: That was before they jumped into the top spot in 317 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 1: the Eastern Conference. When I started talking about it, it's 318 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: when it's when I made you mad. So yeah, but 319 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 1: this was all before. But this was before the Bucks 320 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: were on a tear when we voted. This was before 321 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: the Bucks went crazy and got the top spot in 322 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: the conference. I guarantee you if there was a new 323 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:49,199 Speaker 1: straw pull taken right now, dead heat at best, a 324 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: dead heat between Janie and yokis right now for the top. Well, 325 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: if that's I'm gonna check real quick. If that's true, 326 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: then you can make a lot of money, or you 327 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 1: can't because you vote on it, so you're not allowed 328 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 1: to gamble on it. But let me just check the 329 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: latest MVP odds. And I'm not acting like Vegas is unfallible, infallible, 330 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:16,640 Speaker 1: but I do believe that that Yokis is still he's 331 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 1: minus two sixty and embed and Janis are four to 332 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 1: one or seven to one at the one that I'm 333 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,160 Speaker 1: looking at. Don't quote me on it. Maybe that's changed 334 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 1: to be in the last you know, in the last 335 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 1: day or so it so the oddsmakers say he's overwhelming, 336 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 1: and so again maybe it would be a dead heat. 337 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 1: But can I ask Can I ask you a question 338 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 1: as a voter, because I'm really written not by you, 339 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 1: I'm really sick of being lectured on it. This is 340 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 1: a regular season award and it's about this season and 341 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: this season only, because again I'm just basing on how 342 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 1: we've done voting in the past, and in the past 343 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:05,719 Speaker 1: it does say Everyone saying it's just a regular season 344 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: award and it's about this season this season only implies 345 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:14,399 Speaker 1: that every single person starts the year in the exact 346 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,119 Speaker 1: same spot in the MVP race. And I don't believe 347 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: history tells us that's true. I think that this year, 348 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 1: in a weird way, I think Imbid probably started ten 349 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,399 Speaker 1: bases ahead of the pack because it's like, man, this 350 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: guy's finished second and back to back years he's closed, right, 351 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: And I think that Jannis finished well ahead of the 352 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 1: pack when it's like, dude, since he last one in 353 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:40,159 Speaker 1: MVP did win a finals with a fifty piece and 354 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,360 Speaker 1: he hasn't won it since. And you know, so there's 355 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 1: different things. Right. Let's say Yokits wins this year, and 356 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:51,159 Speaker 1: let's also say the Nuggets they're definitely gonna be the 357 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 1: one seed they get worked in round one. Okay? Should 358 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:03,199 Speaker 1: that have any were sent impact on his ability to 359 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:10,160 Speaker 1: win a fourth straight next year? No? Okay? Okay, well 360 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 1: then then we we can't agree. If you truly do 361 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:18,120 Speaker 1: you're saying no, it shouldn't. Would it would it? Probably? 362 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: If if your scenario plays out, it probably would, But 363 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,679 Speaker 1: you don't think probably would. I don't think it should. 364 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 1: I think we are told to vote on this award 365 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: as a regular season award. We're told that it's it's 366 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: it's how we're supposed to vote. But I thought there 367 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 1: was no there was no I thought there was no 368 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 1: definition of valuable. There's not a definite no. But it's 369 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,360 Speaker 1: a it is build as a regular season award. Well, 370 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 1: but that's just because hold on a second, that's just 371 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:51,959 Speaker 1: because the voting. You guys submit your ballots before the playoffs, right. 372 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,439 Speaker 1: I understand that I can't assume something's gonna happen, like 373 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 1: I didn't know two years ago that Jannie was gonna 374 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,639 Speaker 1: barrel through the Eastern content. I'm not saying no, of course, 375 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 1: and I'm not advocating that the league MVP should be 376 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 1: the guy who plays the best in the playoffs. Now, 377 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: if they want to have a playoff MVP award, I 378 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,400 Speaker 1: think that's kind of a fun idea. Not necessarily, it's 379 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: a little different than finals MVP. Like as a four instance, 380 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 1: like in twenty eighteen, Lebron's last year with the Cavs, 381 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 1: he could have been playoff MVP, you know what I mean, 382 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,880 Speaker 1: even he wouldn't have been finals MVP. Separate thing. What 383 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: I'm what I'm saying is that if and I'm not 384 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: saying this is Yoki because and this is what is 385 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 1: frustrating for me is I and I've done some of 386 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: this to myself, and some of it has been to 387 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:45,880 Speaker 1: me disingenuous, other media members tarring me, but fair enough, 388 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,400 Speaker 1: I have been painted as if I think the guy stinks, 389 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: like I think he's an average player. I think he 390 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:57,959 Speaker 1: is undeniable at worst, one of the eight best players 391 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 1: in the sport, probably one of the six best, and 392 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:06,159 Speaker 1: if you incorporate injury risk, he's skyrockets to one of 393 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,160 Speaker 1: the three best. You know what I mean, Like, that's 394 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: where the and so that's where I that's where I 395 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 1: have it. But I do think there has been because 396 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: it's not like his numbers, the old school numbers are 397 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 1: off the charts in any way except for assists for 398 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: his position, right, it's the in a league where we're 399 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: seeing more guys score thirty help, We've had two guys 400 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 1: score seventy this year. He's averaging in the mid twenties 401 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 1: per game. His rebounds are great, but Jannison Embiid are 402 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: right there with him, or if not ahead. The assists 403 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 1: and yes, the efficiency is eye popping. It's like DeAndre 404 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: Jordan field goal percentages to fight not just dunking the ball, 405 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 1: which has intense value, but it also if you talk 406 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: to which I know you do. Guys, smart guys that 407 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 1: run teams, they will tell you some of the publicly 408 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:13,919 Speaker 1: available advanced numbers have a couple major flaws. One of 409 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 1: them is they don't distinguish contested rebounds from uncontested rebounds, 410 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 1: and that's a huge part of value because it ends 411 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 1: the defensive possession. And the other one is it efficiency 412 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 1: is wildly important while also being able to recognize are 413 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,879 Speaker 1: you the guy that gets the ball at the end 414 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: of the shot clock to bail your team out, which 415 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 1: doesn't really happen to Biggs right that? You know what 416 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 1: I mean. That's more that needs to be separated there 417 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 1: as well. And so when I brought up the advanced numbers, 418 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 1: if folks want to make the advanced numbers case, I 419 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: just want to know are they truly standing by the 420 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:03,360 Speaker 1: advanced number the advanced numbers that say for a career 421 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 1: Yokich is a top three player? Ever, does anyone actually 422 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 1: believe that if they don't think advanced numbers should should 423 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 1: be part of the equation, it can be the equation. 424 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 1: And my point is the only way to justify him 425 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 1: winning last year was the advanced numbers. It's the only 426 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 1: It's not the only way. It's again I didn't vote. 427 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,400 Speaker 1: I didn't vote for him. But how I think voters 428 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: probably saw it was you had a guy that played 429 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 1: the entire season without Jamal Murray, almost the entire season 430 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 1: without Michael Porter Jr. Who had a collection of very 431 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 1: average players around him, put up astonishing numbers and kept 432 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 1: his team. I think, what were they the sixth seed? 433 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,679 Speaker 1: I think they looked at Yoki in the same way 434 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: they looked at Russell Westbrookie years ago. I think that 435 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: was the impetus to vote for Yokis this time around. 436 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 1: Again I didn't do it, but I think that's why 437 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:11,919 Speaker 1: people voted for But when you say astonishing numbers, I 438 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:16,399 Speaker 1: am here to tell across the board, across the teen 439 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 1: and eight is not astonishing? Is great? It's it's great. No, no, 440 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:28,199 Speaker 1: it's great. Maybe again this is now semantic astonishing to me. 441 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:33,360 Speaker 1: It's not like the from the pure counting stats Russ's 442 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 1: triple level season, which again I wouldn't have voted for 443 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 1: him that year, that was pretty astonishing numbers. He's like 444 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: he averaged the first triple level he got he got 445 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 1: credit to He got credit because the negative durant and 446 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 1: he got the positive bounce from that. But I just it. 447 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: Here's my here's my other part of it that maybe 448 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 1: you're gonna tell me should not play a factor, and 449 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:02,119 Speaker 1: maybe this is why I'll never have a vote. I 450 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 1: some of the folks who are adamant that no, no, no no, 451 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,879 Speaker 1: he is the best player in the league. You know 452 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 1: what I mean. He is sure seem to be nervous 453 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:20,119 Speaker 1: for the Nuggets this postseason, and it's like, well, you 454 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: have the best home court advantage in the entire sport 455 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: because of the altitude. That's over forty years of data 456 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 1: we have that the Denver teams have a unique home 457 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 1: field advantage across sports. You have that. You have the 458 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 1: Jamal Murray. I unerst him. People like, oh, he's never 459 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 1: made an All Star team, Yes, but he has scored 460 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 1: fifty in a postseason game. Jamal Murray is a legitimate 461 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 1: number two. Aaron Gordon is a more than legitimate number three, 462 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 1: and Michael Porter Jr. Is as good of a fourth 463 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 1: option at fourth option as any team has in the league. Right, Like, 464 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 1: I don't even know, I guess the Suns when Durant's healthy, 465 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 1: Eighton is the only other fourth option that would come close. 466 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 1: He's not even really an option, like it's a different set. 467 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 1: You have all of that. You have a Western conference 468 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 1: that everyone agrees is the most wide open West we've 469 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 1: seen it. But the reason everyone says it's wide open 470 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 1: is because no one believes in the one seed with 471 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: the three time MVP. That bothers me. That to me 472 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 1: should be a hard stop moment of wait a minute, 473 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 1: what guys, we are re And this is where the 474 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 1: history of it, to me matters. It matters that the 475 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 1: voters had the foresight after Nash won those back to 476 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 1: back and then that third year had his best season 477 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 1: that enough voters were like, no, no, we're not doing 478 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 1: it again. Like do you like, do you think that 479 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 1: was a mistake, because I think that was smart. I 480 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 1: think it helped save this award that to me is 481 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 1: the only award in professional sports that truly really has 482 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 1: historical value in matters. The NFL MVP has some weird ones. 483 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 1: A damn kicker want it Like the baseball you give 484 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 1: out two of them and then pitchers get their own thing. 485 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 1: This award is the most important award and it is 486 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: a great artifact for history of It almost tells you 487 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 1: more about the league than the list of champions does 488 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 1: in almost in different ways, but those you get. If 489 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 1: you give me the list of chant finals and the 490 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 1: list of league MVPs, I can tell you ninety percent 491 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 1: of NBA's history. I would say one thing though you 492 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: you I think it was with when you're hosting Colin Show, 493 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: you suggested and tell me to think I'm wrong that 494 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 1: the diversity of the voting should change, not the not 495 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 1: not racial diversity, but including more former players things like that. 496 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 1: I don't know what you probably did see it, but 497 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 1: when the Athletic went out and pulled a whole bunch 498 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 1: of retired NBA players and asked who the best player 499 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 1: in the NBA is, it was Lebron number one and 500 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 1: Yokis number two. So a whole dozens, if not hundreds, 501 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 1: a retired NBA players, guys that purportedly know the game, 502 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 1: voted Nicole number two. So I was not but I 503 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 1: was not advocating for more former or current players that 504 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 1: have votes. I actually am advocating for the votes to 505 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 1: be anonymous. Oh no, path can I can I make 506 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 1: the argument for Yeah, I think that because everyone now knows, 507 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: because everyone knows their vote is going to be public, 508 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 1: there is a pressure towards hurting and group think. And 509 00:31:55,240 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 1: I think that if it was with here are the 510 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,479 Speaker 1: hundred voters, but the ballot the way it wasn't up 511 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: until recently, right where we knew who the voters were, 512 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: but everyone, How does that fit the narrative of Look, 513 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 1: nobody knows who votes in Tim Bontamp's poll. That's an 514 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 1: anonymous poll, and it's it's right. Well, that's because I 515 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 1: think those people tell me if I'm wrong, the vast 516 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 1: majority of them are actual voters and they're not. Yeah, okay, 517 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 1: so okay, I thought it was just most, but all 518 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 1: I think something you don't know till the end. Most 519 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: people know they're going to vote, who have voted, but 520 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 1: you don't know if you get MVP or not. It's 521 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 1: probably ninety plus percent or actually voters. Sure, exactly. I 522 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 1: think those people respect Tim and appreciate Tim and aren't 523 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 1: going to tell him a name that if their vote 524 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 1: was due that day, they wouldn't be submitting, you know 525 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 1: what I mean? Like, so I think that. But my 526 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 1: point is, I think when there is massive pressure from 527 00:32:55,280 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 1: the alleged smart basketball media that I simply don't don't 528 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 1: think is that smart? Some of it. I mean, a 529 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 1: first cousin of this is I've had I had to 530 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 1: listen for four years that you're a casual. If you 531 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 1: don't see how great Rudy Gobert is, that you simply 532 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 1: don't understand the sport. If you don't recognize how much 533 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 1: more valuable he is than Donovan Mitchell, that you don't 534 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 1: see that. No, no, no, no no. He actually unlocks 535 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,239 Speaker 1: things for them, and what he unlocks for them is 536 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 1: early vacation and I and eventually people laid down their 537 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 1: swords on that, but a lot of the same you know, 538 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 1: I look at my stats that I've created, media swore 539 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 1: that those of us that just from can we define it. No, 540 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 1: But we've watched basketball our entire lives, and you know 541 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 1: that if your seven foot two you cannot ever give 542 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 1: the basketball to at when push comes to shove, you're 543 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 1: gonna be fucked. And we were just told, Nope, you 544 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,839 Speaker 1: don't get it. And the point I was making about 545 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 1: the anonymous part is I think there are a lot 546 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 1: of people who don't have the stomach totally understandably to 547 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 1: be criticized or ridiculed by the allegedly smart people. And 548 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 1: because of that, when all of the allegedly smart people 549 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 1: say this is the right answer. If you know your 550 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 1: questionnaire is going to be public, you fill it out 551 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,400 Speaker 1: according I don't know. I don't know if I buy that. 552 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,080 Speaker 1: I'm not talking about you and that I know, but 553 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,360 Speaker 1: I don't know if I buy that. For the media 554 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:50,640 Speaker 1: at large, it just it places a greater sense of 555 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:54,359 Speaker 1: importance on an MVP vote. It is a responsibility for 556 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,719 Speaker 1: somebody in this business. But you're not being handed the 557 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,720 Speaker 1: nuclear launch codes here. You're being asked to vote for MVP, 558 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,880 Speaker 1: and the backlash is Stevie one two six on Twitter 559 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 1: that might be slapping you around like that. I don't buy. 560 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,360 Speaker 1: I don't think that. I think that transparency is incredibly important, 561 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,879 Speaker 1: otherwise you might get some agendas. Also, further, you've got 562 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 1: people that vote for this in local markets that might 563 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,760 Speaker 1: be inclined to vote for their guy in their markets 564 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,759 Speaker 1: so they can tell their guy that they voted for him. No, 565 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 1: that definitely is a concern here. But I do think 566 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 1: that we know across life that at times anonymity leads 567 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:43,880 Speaker 1: to greater honesty than being like there are there are 568 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 1: If we were to let me try to use an 569 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 1: example without getting anyone in trouble. I'm not thinking of 570 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 1: a good one. But there are questions that I could 571 00:35:55,719 --> 00:36:00,360 Speaker 1: ask Chris Mannix and say, hey, I'm gonna you know, 572 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,800 Speaker 1: there's a reason people ask to go off the record, 573 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,440 Speaker 1: there's a reason people ask to go on background, and 574 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:09,719 Speaker 1: there's a reason sometimes you get what is the more 575 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,440 Speaker 1: socially acceptable response if your names on it, and you 576 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,799 Speaker 1: get the more honest response otherwise. I don't think it's 577 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,000 Speaker 1: ridiculous to say, you're right, it's not as important as 578 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 1: these other things that you might have Some people to 579 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,960 Speaker 1: be like, Man, I am not given this fucking guy 580 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,200 Speaker 1: three of these in a row when I haven't seen 581 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,279 Speaker 1: him in the finals. Ever, I don't care what the 582 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 1: numbers are, and I would be okay with that, because 583 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 1: I think you've got to explain. You should, like, whether 584 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,800 Speaker 1: it's in a column or a podcast or on TV, 585 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,480 Speaker 1: you should be able to explain your vote. If you 586 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 1: can't explain and justify your vote, you shouldn't be voting. 587 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 1: To me, it's as simple as that one other thing. 588 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:49,719 Speaker 1: Look you, I don't even think it's subconsciously, but you 589 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 1: do hold Yokich's playoff failures. The last couple of years 590 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:58,040 Speaker 1: against him as a great player. You hold that against him, Yes, 591 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,719 Speaker 1: I would just say that. I think you have to 592 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,560 Speaker 1: look at each one individually. I look at the one 593 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 1: two years ago and they love story got thrown out 594 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,399 Speaker 1: of the final game that he did. Yeah, but they 595 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,680 Speaker 1: lost Jamal Murray right before the end of the regular 596 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:18,320 Speaker 1: season torn acl They beat Portland in the first round, 597 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,600 Speaker 1: and then they lose in the second. I don't look 598 00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 1: at that at Yokich is underachieving and the Nuggets underachieving 599 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,440 Speaker 1: that year. Last year, they get beat in the first round. 600 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,919 Speaker 1: Five games could have been better. But I just named 601 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:32,880 Speaker 1: you a list of guys that he played within that 602 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,799 Speaker 1: playoff series. I don't think he underachieved and that team 603 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:40,040 Speaker 1: underachieved at all last season. This year, we're in sync 604 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,120 Speaker 1: on this one. If they get beat by the Lakers, 605 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:47,000 Speaker 1: the Clippers, the thunder whoever winds up in that number 606 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 1: eight seat after the play and dust is settled, and 607 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 1: they get if they get beaten the second round, I 608 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,680 Speaker 1: hold it against Kola Yokis because this is the first time, 609 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:59,239 Speaker 1: the very first time in Yokich's NBA career, that I 610 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,799 Speaker 1: think he has championship caliber players around him and That's 611 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,640 Speaker 1: what it's about Lebron. He doesn't win unless he has 612 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,160 Speaker 1: great players around him. You look at what happened in 613 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,840 Speaker 1: the playoffs two years ago, Anthony Davis goes down against Phoenix, 614 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:16,960 Speaker 1: they lose that serious need great pieces around you to 615 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,520 Speaker 1: succeed and achieve greatness. You need yes, you need great 616 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,040 Speaker 1: you need great players around you to win a championship. 617 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:30,160 Speaker 1: It's why, Uh. I hope history remembers Dirk as fondly 618 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,040 Speaker 1: as I do, because he won a championship without another 619 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:39,560 Speaker 1: It won the whole thing without another great player, Dirk. 620 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,520 Speaker 1: I mean Yannas did it. No no, no no, no no, 621 00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 1: That's what I was about to mention him as well. 622 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,200 Speaker 1: But I mean up to that point in time, exactly right. 623 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,680 Speaker 1: You can make the finals as a one man show, 624 00:38:54,200 --> 00:39:00,040 Speaker 1: usually get dusted, but we've seen it, uh, and I 625 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:06,840 Speaker 1: the part of my frustration around this has been what 626 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:12,960 Speaker 1: I have viewed as a double standard of we are 627 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:19,000 Speaker 1: giving Yokich the accoutreman of the best player in the league, 628 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,640 Speaker 1: and then if you hold him to the standard we 629 00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,879 Speaker 1: have held every other best player in the league, you're 630 00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:31,480 Speaker 1: it said, you're being unreasonable, and that's bullshit. That is bullshit. 631 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:37,359 Speaker 1: Because when Lebron won back to back MVPs and had 632 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,719 Speaker 1: already been to a finals before he was a champion 633 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:46,560 Speaker 1: and they lose in round two in seven six pardon 634 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:51,759 Speaker 1: me to the Celtics that is hung around his neck 635 00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:56,360 Speaker 1: as he quit and all of it. You know why, 636 00:39:56,520 --> 00:40:01,359 Speaker 1: because he's look the best player in the league. When 637 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:08,400 Speaker 1: Kevin durant Is seven years removed, eight years from winning 638 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:12,040 Speaker 1: an MVP and they lose in round one last year, 639 00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:17,480 Speaker 1: it is called the biggest failure of his career. Win Yannis, 640 00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,280 Speaker 1: the year he wins his second MVP loses in round 641 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:25,360 Speaker 1: two to Miami, he has called a playoff choke artist. 642 00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:30,280 Speaker 1: Oh well, Nick, you can't compare Yokis to Lebron, Jannis 643 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:35,720 Speaker 1: and durant I fucking agree. But everyone else says he's 644 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,120 Speaker 1: better than him. He's winning the awards that say it. 645 00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:43,080 Speaker 1: So it's a weird thing because you agree with me. 646 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,760 Speaker 1: I think that, well, yeah, you can't hold Nicola Yokis 647 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,200 Speaker 1: to the standard we held Lebron to or this thing. 648 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,399 Speaker 1: I think he's going to be held to that standard. Nick. 649 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,359 Speaker 1: Let's see six months and see this is where this 650 00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,960 Speaker 1: is one of those we don't know because It hasn't 651 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,920 Speaker 1: sure yet, but I'm telling you I will. I know 652 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,760 Speaker 1: other voters will. If he gets smoked in the first 653 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:07,279 Speaker 1: or second round with that team and that talent around him, 654 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,360 Speaker 1: he will be hammered. Maybe not like Lebron. Lebron was different. 655 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,680 Speaker 1: Lebron Lebron's different, but like, yeah, he's the one guy 656 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:17,680 Speaker 1: Nick that you know, voters definitely punished him in two 657 00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,360 Speaker 1: thousand and eleven, not for anything he did. He was 658 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:24,000 Speaker 1: for for the decision and they said, Derrick Rose, he's 659 00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,600 Speaker 1: your MVP. Great year, Derek Rose, but Lebron deserved the MVP. 660 00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,200 Speaker 1: Lebron's not a different level. I think that Jannis, that 661 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,360 Speaker 1: Yokich will be treated just like Jannis if they flame 662 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,200 Speaker 1: out this year. Maybe you disagree, maybe you think it's 663 00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,880 Speaker 1: gonna go. I don't know. I feel like he's already. 664 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:42,000 Speaker 1: I think the media it's weird because I mentioned him 665 00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:46,279 Speaker 1: getting thrown out of their final playoff game right there. 666 00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,560 Speaker 1: I don't I think most people have memory hold that 667 00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:54,720 Speaker 1: that was your league MVP who didn't finish the season 668 00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,920 Speaker 1: with this team because he got kicked out of the 669 00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,400 Speaker 1: game because of a flagrant that was bad. And then 670 00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:06,719 Speaker 1: and then the very next year when we rewarded him 671 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,680 Speaker 1: as a sixth seed at the end of the year 672 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:14,640 Speaker 1: with another league MVP. He he gave the Morris twin 673 00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:18,200 Speaker 1: whip lashing into his season. And if you're telling me 674 00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,360 Speaker 1: you remember what I'm talking about, right, I do. I 675 00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:25,000 Speaker 1: also know Marcus Morris Marcus many players have said Marcus 676 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:29,719 Speaker 1: Morris or Markis Marris Mark Kief shouldn't have beforehand too. No, no, no, 677 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:35,960 Speaker 1: I agree with that. But again, do you think any 678 00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:43,520 Speaker 1: other multiple time MVP that would have gotten the lack 679 00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,120 Speaker 1: of coverage or reaction. Now, maybe the enter is that's 680 00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,400 Speaker 1: because we just don't talk about him. He's not polarizing, 681 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,600 Speaker 1: whatever it is. I don't know, but I think there 682 00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:55,560 Speaker 1: are a few things that are like, wait, what the 683 00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,120 Speaker 1: guys you're you're I think, I think, I think you're 684 00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,440 Speaker 1: kind of Lebron is the only one think we talk 685 00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,640 Speaker 1: about it with, Like Yannis just did that stupid thing 686 00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,000 Speaker 1: where he shot the ball at his own rim intentionally 687 00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,800 Speaker 1: trying to miss. Nobody really cared, Nobody beat up on 688 00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,560 Speaker 1: him for it. Nobody think do you think that was 689 00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:14,759 Speaker 1: a shot at the MVP? Ah? That that's that's asking 690 00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,160 Speaker 1: will be to dig into the psyche of Jannis. I 691 00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,719 Speaker 1: think Jannis knew he was a rebound away. That's no, 692 00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:21,640 Speaker 1: of course, I don't. I don't know. I don't know 693 00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:23,000 Speaker 1: that he was thinking. I don't know that there was 694 00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,000 Speaker 1: something about and that Jannis was following the stat padding 695 00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,879 Speaker 1: conversation and was looking to pick up a triple double 696 00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,480 Speaker 1: because of that. I don't know that that's all right. 697 00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,360 Speaker 1: Last things I know I said, I said twenty minutes 698 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:39,400 Speaker 1: and but just one last thing quickly, Uh, just honest 699 00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:45,279 Speaker 1: question here? How why isn't And it'd be so if 700 00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:50,240 Speaker 1: it was Yokich, Luca and Steath as the three leading candidates, 701 00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:54,880 Speaker 1: then to me, you would dismiss the defensive side of 702 00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,480 Speaker 1: the ball almost entirely, right. You'd be like, none of 703 00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,520 Speaker 1: them are helped really helping you defensively, So it's kind 704 00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:02,200 Speaker 1: of who hurts you the least, right, And that would 705 00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:05,160 Speaker 1: actually of those three be Yoki, because Yoki's not like 706 00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,279 Speaker 1: some horrific kills you defender. Now, they end up against 707 00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,319 Speaker 1: the Lakers and Lebron gives him the one five pick 708 00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,920 Speaker 1: and roll treatment for forty possessions and night we'll see. 709 00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:20,359 Speaker 1: But when it's Yokich embed in Jannis, why d is 710 00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:24,879 Speaker 1: the defensive end of it not disqualifying for Yokis right now, 711 00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,040 Speaker 1: I don't think it should be disqualifying. It should be 712 00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,919 Speaker 1: considerably waited, heavily waited. And this is why it goes 713 00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,439 Speaker 1: back to what I said about ten minutes ago. If 714 00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,000 Speaker 1: you made that poll today, it would be different. We'll 715 00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:42,920 Speaker 1: call Tim to do it, you know, Tims. I sent Tim. 716 00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,160 Speaker 1: I sent Tim my list of fake ballots before I 717 00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,040 Speaker 1: ever send him a first one. Cam Thomas at the 718 00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:51,360 Speaker 1: top of my list. Every single time. Sam Houser regularly 719 00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:55,359 Speaker 1: makes an appearance, so it takes By the way, are 720 00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,080 Speaker 1: your Celtics gonna be okay? Yeah, that would be better 721 00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:02,040 Speaker 1: than Anthony Davis will in a couple of years say that. Wow. Wow, 722 00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:04,520 Speaker 1: I miss you, buddy. It's good to talk to you. 723 00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:06,600 Speaker 1: You too, Nick Right, check them out. First things first, 724 00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,520 Speaker 1: What's Right podcast? Always good to catch up man, See 725 00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:10,000 Speaker 1: you a minute.