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Speaker 1: hear Stephen passing along a description black gloves, what did

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Speaker 1: Stephen is a fitness competitor and personal trainer, and according

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Speaker 1: You were hearing our friends at ABC Action News. That

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Speaker 1: is crime stories. Did a fitness quote influencer eight three

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Speaker 1: an all star panel? Ashley Willcott judge and trial lawyer,

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Speaker 1: Court TV anchor at Ashley Wilcott dot Com. James Shellnutt

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Speaker 1: Karen Start Now psychologist out of Manhattan at Karen Start

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Speaker 1: dot com and crime online dot com investigative reporter Crime

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Speaker 1: other breaking crime and justice needs Levi. First, let's start

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Speaker 1: with the kidnap. What happened to the little girl? So

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Speaker 1: what kind of spare time must these people have? Listened?

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Speaker 1: do I need to shrink? You're a blood? I'm looking

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Speaker 1: at the direct quote right now. You're a blood? Shall

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Speaker 1: never be satisfied with her own body. She will never

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Speaker 1: think that she's in good enough shape that she can

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Speaker 1: win enough people following her, that she can have people

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Speaker 1: on her side, because she's looking for perfection, which doesn't exist. Well,

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Speaker 1: why do you call her sessive compulsive? She is able

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Speaker 1: to be. She can't stop. When you're obsessive compulsive, you

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Speaker 1: do minute things, you come up with old English. You

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Speaker 1: track all these different people, you find different accounts. She

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Speaker 1: keeps going. All the details are fine for her. Do

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Speaker 1: you think she would have ever carried out her threats?

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Speaker 1: That's the part that we actually, that's the part you

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Speaker 1: didn't mention. And I think she might have. And that's

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Speaker 1: the scary part, because she was getting worse as she

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Speaker 1: kept going. Well, the fact that she went so far

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Speaker 1: as to purchase the items and bring her daughter into it,

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Speaker 1: those are over acts, which shows she would act to

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Speaker 1: some degree, and once the camel's noses in the tents,

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Speaker 1: tail will thoroughly follow. I agree, definitely, think about think

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Speaker 1: about someone who neglects their children that way. Oh, but

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Speaker 1: that's narcissistic behavior. Nobody else is real to you. It's

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Speaker 1: like I said, capac, So she was going to enlist

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Speaker 1: her daughter to help her to Ashley. What parental rights,

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Speaker 1: if any, will she have while behind bars? Oh, that's

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Speaker 1: an excellent question. So someone has to take care of

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Speaker 1: that child. Ideally, in a perfect world, you have a

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Speaker 1: relative who's capable and appropriate and can care for the

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Speaker 1: child and can have temporary custody. She's married, So the father,

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Speaker 1: unless the father failed to protect I mean, you have

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Speaker 1: to think about that in juvenile law in terms of

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Speaker 1: who has custody. If there's clear and convinced evidence that

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Speaker 1: that father failed to protect, that child can go with

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Speaker 1: a relative or perhaps be in foster care. But if

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Speaker 1: she's in jail, does she have any parental rights? Her

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Speaker 1: rights are not terminated if she's in jail. Now, I mean,

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Speaker 1: but if you're in jail, you can't see your child,

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Speaker 1: you can't force somebody to bring your child. Well, those

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Speaker 1: rights still exist. There are a lot of people that

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Speaker 1: get to visit with their children while they're in jail

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Speaker 1: unless there's a no contact provision. Believe I was there one.

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Speaker 1: There hasn't been anything reported regarding that. Did the husband

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Speaker 1: have any clue? Lea I Page. Her husband has said

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Speaker 1: that he had no idea that any of this was

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Speaker 1: going on, that he had absolutely no clue. He even

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Speaker 1: thought that the kidnapping was real. Prime Stories with Nancy Grace,

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Speaker 1: a Florida mom and fitness coach and competitor, plans an

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Speaker 1: elaborate attempt, a fake attempt, a fake attempted abduction of

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Speaker 1: her little girl, pointing the finger at a business colleague.

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Speaker 1: According to Pasco County sheriffs. The girl, the little girl

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Speaker 1: was afraid to tell the sheriff's what really happened. But

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Speaker 1: it wasn't that she just stayed. She actually pointed the

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Speaker 1: finger at someone else, A real person created a scenario

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Speaker 1: where her daughter will be snatched and dragged into a

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Speaker 1: wooded area, and then she would escape and the police

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Speaker 1: will be called, and then her daughter would describe the assailant,

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Speaker 1: and that a sailant just so happened to be the

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Speaker 1: business colleague. Is that right, Levin? Yes, it was her

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Speaker 1: business partner that she was targeting. Deputies and detectives also

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Speaker 1: find a notebook filled with notes written in different colors

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Speaker 1: and a laptop cover. Now the girl's description of the

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Speaker 1: man who tried to kidnap her. She told police she

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Speaker 1: had never seen him before, but based on the little

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Speaker 1: girl's description, mommy says it was her business partner, a

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Speaker 1: former business partner. So it's not just some you know,

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Speaker 1: random person. She's actually having the business partner described. And

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Speaker 1: they go and question the business partner, don't they leave

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Speaker 1: the correct Nancy? They go in question and can you

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Speaker 1: imagine Nancy being the target of something like this. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's absolutely mind blowing no, long story short, they go

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Speaker 1: find the business partner, Thank goodness for him, he had

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Speaker 1: an alibi and cops checked it out. There was a

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Speaker 1: video of him in Tampa at the time of the

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Speaker 1: faked kidnapping, and that was forty five minutes away from

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Speaker 1: where the faked kidnapping happened. All this because she thought

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Speaker 1: she should have won a fitness photo contest online. I

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Speaker 1: mean amazing to me. And I'm curious, very curious about

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Speaker 1: the allegations and the false police report. You know, you

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Speaker 1: can do jail time for that or learning that in

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Speaker 1: the Jesse Smolette case. Leavi page. How much time and

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Speaker 1: money were wasted on this investigation. I don't know exact amount, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: but I know that they had dogs search dogs out there.

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Speaker 1: They even deployed helicas. They were using helicopters to searching

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Speaker 1: the woods for this fake kidnapper, Nancy. So this is

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Speaker 1: a lot of money. This is not just something that

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Speaker 1: you know they went out and looked in the woods

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Speaker 1: for on feet. They were actually deploying helicopters to search

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Speaker 1: for this is say, you're right, Sheriff no Co said

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Speaker 1: the full quote. Might the Sheriff's department went went into service,

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Speaker 1: air support, K nine Special Unit, Major Crimes Unit, Patrol,

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Speaker 1: many many other sources to catch the alleged kidnapper. People

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Speaker 1: in the neighborhood bought dogs, people didn't want to leave

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Speaker 1: their homes. To James Shellnutt, former SWAT officer now lawyer, James,

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Speaker 1: how much money are we talking about that was wasted

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Speaker 1: on this fake kidnap claim? Making the daughter tit on herself. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm guessing well into the six figures. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's expensive to run a helicopter, the manpower hours, the

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Speaker 1: overtime hours, the resources, the drain. You know what makes

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Speaker 1: it worse is, you know, we're living in a society

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Speaker 1: where you know, there's a shortage of money often for

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Speaker 1: public safety and city governments, and that makes it even

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Speaker 1: that much worse. And it takes a police away as

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Speaker 1: well from investigating real crops and helping real victims. Now,

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Speaker 1: this woman, Tammy Stephen, married, the mother of four, had

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Speaker 1: multiple Facebook pages for her beyond fit Jim personal training business.

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Speaker 1: Now it says on there, or said before she deleted it,

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Speaker 1: all that she had a degree in business management and

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Speaker 1: many many Fitnish related certifications. But she says she is

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Speaker 1: a coach, a fitness and sports nutrition specialist with fifteen

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Speaker 1: years of experience. Well, as it turns out, she couldn't

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Speaker 1: trick police. The FBI got involved when they learned it

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Speaker 1: also involved cyberstalking. In addition to sending threatening messages online,

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Speaker 1: she spoofed calls. She also used voices guising software. According

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Speaker 1: to the FBI, Stephen set up hundreds of fake online

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Speaker 1: accounts to harass her victims. The extent of her crime

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Speaker 1: is astounding. She used over three hundred and sixty nine

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Speaker 1: Instagram accounts in eighteen email accounts that the FBI identified

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Speaker 1: in which the defendant used to threaten her victims. Stephan

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Speaker 1: is now pleaded guilty to two very serious accounts. In

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Speaker 1: this case, she faces up to ten years in federal prisons.

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Speaker 1: Based on what we were seeing online, it appears the

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Speaker 1: competition may have been miss MS Health and Fitness. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's amazing to me, Karen Starts, psychologist, how far this

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Speaker 1: woman allegedly went over this mishealth and fitness competition Just

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Speaker 1: before the stage abduction. She was in fourth place. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't amaze me, Nancy, because she's demonstrating obsessive compulsive behavior.

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Speaker 1: There is a lot of narcissism going on with her,

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Speaker 1: and it's a personality disorder where she can't stop herself.

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Speaker 1: Not that she doesn't enjoy it, but she definitely is

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Speaker 1: so involved in the intrigue and enjoying every second of

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Speaker 1: this that you know, there's something really wrong with her.

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Speaker 1: I mean, let me think about this. James shell Nutt,

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Speaker 1: former swat NOW lawyer, how long would it take to

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Speaker 1: create three hundred and sixty nine fake Instagram accounts just

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Speaker 1: in order to troll your rival bodybuilders? Oh, it would

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Speaker 1: take a long time of things. You know, that's an

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Speaker 1: immense investigation. You know, a lot of times you think

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Speaker 1: about cyberstalk and Nancy in the terms of you know,

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Speaker 1: your local law enforcement agency gets involved. But in this case,

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Speaker 1: something I found interesting is that the federal government got involved.

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Speaker 1: The FADS got involved. That I started investigating this, and

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Speaker 1: it was due to the immensity of what had occurred. Often,

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Speaker 1: you know, these things occurred multi jurisdictional, across different cities

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Speaker 1: or counties or states. You know, three hundred and sixty

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Speaker 1: nine accounts is a lot of information to gather on.

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Speaker 1: So local law enforcement actually alert at the FBI and said, hey,

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Speaker 1: we need some help. This is a big thing going on.

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Speaker 1: This is a lot of information and we don't have

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Speaker 1: the resources to handle and actually investigating and pulling up

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Speaker 1: all of the cyber crimes. It's like, you know, fine

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Speaker 1: tooth come through every keystroke this woman made to Levi page.

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Speaker 1: She worked hard, but this is way way over the

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Speaker 1: line multiple crimes. Was she charged Levi with any abuse

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Speaker 1: on her daughter that she forced to urinate on herself

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Speaker 1: and to fake a kidnapping, Well, she has actually been

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Speaker 1: charged with child neglect charges, cyberstocking, sending thirtning communications. That's

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Speaker 1: where the cyberstalking, and she played guilty and was sentenced

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Speaker 1: to five years in prison on those charges. Guys, that

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Speaker 1: means she has access to the jailhouse computer. Let's see

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Speaker 1: where that goes. Five years is it enough? And what

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Speaker 1: lasting effect will this have on her family? Her four children,

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Speaker 1: two boys, two girls. We wait as justice son of

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Speaker 1: falls I predict early release Nancy Gray's crime stories, signing

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Speaker 1: off goodbye friend,