Speaker 1: Hey everyone, I'm a Nissa Ferarra and I'm Davon Rodgers
Speaker 1: and this is MTV's official Challenge podcast. Davon, I cannot
Speaker 1: wait to get into this episode with you. It's so messy, man,
Speaker 1: you know I had to come on and represent with
Speaker 1: the CBS people. You just said it, actually just said it,
Speaker 1: so well, now you're in it. Now you're in it.
Speaker 1: You heard it here first, folks, And don't let her
Speaker 1: let I can't even I have MTV prants too fine
Speaker 1: for now? What's going on in this episode? This this
Speaker 1: episode was very much so are you? It was you?
Speaker 1: There were some of me in there. I think I
Speaker 1: spy with my eye that I was there. Um, And
Speaker 1: you know I was very upset. Um. I didn't know
Speaker 1: if I was picked because we were second or picked
Speaker 1: because we hadn't we didn't tell them where we stood. Um.
Speaker 1: And I was like, as far as I know, I'm
Speaker 1: standing right in front of you, so uh, the where
Speaker 1: we stood is very big brother and Survivor, It's okay,
Speaker 1: So where do you stand? Where's your head at in
Speaker 1: the game? Where do you stand? Those are? Those are?
Speaker 1: But there are questions and go against your game though,
Speaker 1: Like if if I were. If I'm to tell you
Speaker 1: where my head is at, then I'm messing up my
Speaker 1: own game right there, Like some shit's better left unsaid.
Speaker 1: I could tell you anything, ran my head is with
Speaker 1: you right now, right and you know what, that's what
Speaker 1: you should have said that. Yeah, But the crazy thing
Speaker 1: is I don't live like that. Yeah, and I'm with
Speaker 1: a partner who you know, Jordan is just going to
Speaker 1: do right, So there is no we don't beg we
Speaker 1: don't kiss ass and maybe that's going to be to
Speaker 1: our detriment this season. But that interrogation scene, let me
Speaker 1: tell you something. It was longer. We cried a little bit.
Speaker 1: And what I didn't understand was when you made the
Speaker 1: statement and you said, the only person I made a
Speaker 1: promise too is my best friend Tory. At that point,
Speaker 1: I feel like Antenna should have went off and been like, Okay,
Speaker 1: maybe I can come in with you because you only
Speaker 1: obligated to one person, so let me try to work
Speaker 1: something out with you to see if we can work together.
Speaker 1: I had never had one conversation and you saw me
Speaker 1: like I pointed out the Nanny and Johnny thing, which
Speaker 1: I felt like, you know, I told them I'm like,
Speaker 1: let's not make this into a bigger deal. I'm just
Speaker 1: using them as an example. Yeah, because I didn't know
Speaker 1: there was a deal with Torrian Devon. Now, how does
Speaker 1: that work because that's your best friend. They never told me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but Devin is the politician of the group, got you. See.
Speaker 1: The thing is like, I'm never going to put like
Speaker 1: you have to care about self too. Yeah, there's self
Speaker 1: preservation there. So if they made a deal that has
Speaker 1: nothing to do with me, then tor and Devin don't
Speaker 1: really need to tell me anything longus. They look just
Speaker 1: keep me safe, that's all I care about. Yes, when
Speaker 1: they were yes, when you're in power, or you can
Speaker 1: keep me safe. But I was like, how the hell
Speaker 1: did they weasel their way out of that? Wow? And
Speaker 1: that's when I started to ask questions like, so, Devin,
Speaker 1: what are you doing, Tory, what are you doing? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Did you get answer to the questions? Yes, So let's
Speaker 1: talk about people. Was like, yeah, I know, that's right.
Speaker 1: So these friendships, so many friendships are up and down
Speaker 1: and in the air. In this episode, we have you
Speaker 1: and Ronica, and then we have this randomness of Michelle
Speaker 1: and Laurel, and then Michelle and Nannie. But then there's
Speaker 1: also the Jay turning his back on Jack, turning his
Speaker 1: back on Jack back back? What was that about? Like
Speaker 1: that that and you could see the hurt in his face?
Speaker 1: Do you think that was an actor? Do you think
Speaker 1: he genuinely was hurt? He called him a rat motherfuck.
Speaker 1: I mean he said all of the things. Now I'm
Speaker 1: talking about Jay. Do you think Joe hurt? Why would
Speaker 1: Jay be hurt because he had to throw his friend?
Speaker 1: Did he have to? I mean, I'm saying that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Do you think it was real? Like I
Speaker 1: feel like on the other side, like, yes, it sucks
Speaker 1: to throw people in, but if you knew you were
Speaker 1: going to be that hurt, then you could have fixed
Speaker 1: another person. Well, he was acting like he couldn't back
Speaker 1: down to Michelle like she well she did say and
Speaker 1: whatever episode that was, she needed him to sit there,
Speaker 1: shut up, and stay on his leash. So maybe that's
Speaker 1: what happened. I don't know. That's why it's hard with
Speaker 1: these partners, because you're going to find somebody that you
Speaker 1: like more, and that's why the game is so it
Speaker 1: can get so messy, Yeah, because you can't please both
Speaker 1: and I'm always going to be on the same page.
Speaker 1: It's very rare that you will. So it's easier to
Speaker 1: be like, hey, partner, you can have the rains, but
Speaker 1: with those rains, with those power, with the power, then
Speaker 1: everything comes crashing down on you. Did you and Jordan
Speaker 1: have a pretty level headed throughout the game? Were you
Speaker 1: two pretty well? He said to me, He was like,
Speaker 1: you are leader? I said absolutely, not that it's not.
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, but no. But I also knew that
Speaker 1: Jordan and I play a very similar game, like I
Speaker 1: have too much pride to beg. Yeah, and I also
Speaker 1: feel like whatever's going to happen in this house, that's
Speaker 1: going to happen, whether I BEG or not. These people,
Speaker 1: if they want to put me in, they're going to
Speaker 1: put me in. Yeah. If they don't want it, Yes,
Speaker 1: they don't want to see Jordan in the final regardless
Speaker 1: of what I could do. Yeah, they are going to
Speaker 1: try whatever to get him out. Yeah, any excuse they
Speaker 1: can find. And you too, don't downplay yourself. They try
Speaker 1: to put you out too, of course, And of course,
Speaker 1: but it's like, well, who's gonna do that? So it
Speaker 1: you know, it's it takes a lot because what one
Speaker 1: partner doesn't have the other partner does have. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: you know that it's really hard to find, you know,
Speaker 1: a pair that's equally matched, that thinks the same way
Speaker 1: about the game, because, as you'll find out in later
Speaker 1: on in this episode, like you're playing two games simultaneously,
Speaker 1: short game that's challenge a challenge, and the long game
Speaker 1: getting to that final. Yeah. And if you don't play
Speaker 1: the game within the game, that's why I don't make promises,
Speaker 1: because they can flip the game within the game, then
Speaker 1: you will find yourself out of it. Oh wait, well,
Speaker 1: one of my favorite games is the game that we
Speaker 1: play on this podcast and that is called the gold
Speaker 1: Star and the time Out Game. So my question for
Speaker 1: you is in this week's episode, who has your gold Star?
Speaker 1: And I think I already know who going in a
Speaker 1: time match out not just time out but also with
Speaker 1: a dunks cap, Like I already know what's going down.
Speaker 1: There are a couple actually timeouts for people, But who
Speaker 1: got a gold Star? I want to give my gold
Speaker 1: star to Kim because you know what if you would
Speaker 1: have been there and seen like people were really struggling
Speaker 1: and he came out of nowhere like like his boat
Speaker 1: had turned into a gazelle, just like floating and running
Speaker 1: through I mean, there's so many different things you could
Speaker 1: compare him to, but he was like this beautiful blonde
Speaker 1: viking in a boat, just going. And what you don't
Speaker 1: get to see is Kim's Like he was so such
Speaker 1: a crush on him. He was so kind, and he
Speaker 1: was so no he was so genuine, he was so funny. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I don't guess you don't get to see all
Speaker 1: of that, And I wish they would have shown their
Speaker 1: personalities a little bit more. I have two gold stars,
Speaker 1: so my first gold star goes to Bessie, and I
Speaker 1: know that he running, but I love the way he
Speaker 1: was such a teammate to Mariah in this episode, Like
Speaker 1: even though she was doing what she was supposed to
Speaker 1: be doing with that road at all, he still encouraged
Speaker 1: her and motivated her. And he even said, like, yo,
Speaker 1: like I just want you. I want her to stay
Speaker 1: on a high, I want her to stay confident. I
Speaker 1: want to keep her up there. And even if he
Speaker 1: may have been doing it for self, because it kind
Speaker 1: of sounded like a little bit, but I still feel
Speaker 1: like it was a great deed to do and it
Speaker 1: made her feel like, oh, he really has my back,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So I thought that was
Speaker 1: really really good. My other Gostar goes to Jordan. My
Speaker 1: gostar goes to Jordan because the perseverance is out of
Speaker 1: this world, like the way that he is so determined
Speaker 1: to show. I can't be stopped, Like y'all keep throwing
Speaker 1: these roadblocks in me, but I can't be stopped. And
Speaker 1: he never goes into this victim mindset of Ike's. I
Speaker 1: can and I will. That's it. He became a he
Speaker 1: was He was Mike Can who the whole time we're here.
Speaker 1: I mean, he was Mike Can. When I said I
Speaker 1: literally I can't. He shut that down so fast because
Speaker 1: I don't think he knows what that word it is. Wow.
Speaker 1: He was like, you can't look at you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like I can do it? Why can't you?
Speaker 1: And I think that that is such an amazing way
Speaker 1: to look at things and to move through life. Yeah
Speaker 1: it really is. Yeah, I love that. So who was
Speaker 1: we timeout time out in a jam? Michelle? You could
Speaker 1: both sit there together. Damn it. Why are you putting
Speaker 1: them in a corner? Because I don't know where they stand.
Speaker 1: You don't know where they're heading. I don't know where
Speaker 1: the heads are right now, so I just gonna put
Speaker 1: them in the corner together. It was a I mean,
Speaker 1: I was so I was very blindsided by that. UM
Speaker 1: I thought maybe a nod tip of the hat. However,
Speaker 1: I was made aware that I probably wasn't going to
Speaker 1: go I wasn't going to be direct vote. So at
Speaker 1: least I got that. But they're still they're still in
Speaker 1: time out. Damn it. Well my timeout goes to Michelle
Speaker 1: alone for lack of a backbone. First of all, the
Speaker 1: conversation with Laurel irritated my soul because Laurel kept testing
Speaker 1: the waters. First of all, you tested me in this
Speaker 1: interrogation by paying me dust. She paid Michelle dust. She
Speaker 1: everr nothing but face, That's it. And then when she
Speaker 1: finally did have a one on one conversation with her,
Speaker 1: um Laurel kept asking her, what is the problem? What
Speaker 1: do you want from me? What do you need? What
Speaker 1: don't you get? What am I doing wrong? What questions
Speaker 1: do I need to answer? What? She kept asking her,
Speaker 1: and Michelle just kept sitting there looking at her like
Speaker 1: a deer can headlights and I'm like, girl, this is
Speaker 1: the time. Tell her the root of the problem, tell
Speaker 1: her your issue, tell her, tell her what tell her
Speaker 1: you all in a confession of you know, Laurel makes
Speaker 1: me feel like this and I feel like that. Tell
Speaker 1: her that she's opening the door for you to say it.
Speaker 1: And she said nothing. Yeah, I mean yeah. But Laurel
Speaker 1: was like, I'm mad. That's how I feel like. You
Speaker 1: put me in elimination. Why are we talking about what
Speaker 1: could have happened before that? Like she said, where do
Speaker 1: you stand? I stand in eliminations, which I thought was
Speaker 1: very real. So yeah, and then the whole situation with
Speaker 1: Nannie and Bananas. I love them both, but reciprocity is
Speaker 1: for real, like good ony, like if they expected, I mean,
Speaker 1: for them to get saved over like me and Jordan
Speaker 1: or Casey and Kenny, Like you have so many people
Speaker 1: that the thing that Michelle and Jay do have going
Speaker 1: for them is that they have the ability to win
Speaker 1: challenges together. Yeah, that in and of itself will lend
Speaker 1: some safety to other players in the game. However, there
Speaker 1: are people like Laurel, there are people like Johnny, there
Speaker 1: are people like there are all of these people that
Speaker 1: have played this game for a long time, that are
Speaker 1: really good, that have one, that are intimidating, that are
Speaker 1: kind of masterminds at this game. Yeah, and the people
Speaker 1: with experience usually come out on top. Yeah, so it's
Speaker 1: going to be interesting how you know, saving your homies
Speaker 1: and that tomies in quotes. Yeah, how that's going to
Speaker 1: be in their favor. And yeah, because they had my girl, Michelle,
Speaker 1: she was not nos crying a few weeks ago, just
Speaker 1: snot nos crying, just for Nanny to be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: but I gotta do it. So you want some tissue
Speaker 1: or that you's gonna happen, Well, we have an incredible
Speaker 1: episode for you today. It gets a little spicy here
Speaker 1: on the podcast with Jay and Michelle. Stay tuned and
Speaker 1: you will see why. Bring some water or milk. Yeah,
Speaker 1: water doesn't help when she gets hot. Milk, Bring bread
Speaker 1: or some mustard mustard, that's it, bring mustard. All right,
Speaker 1: So let's get right into this episode. My CBS people
Speaker 1: are here with us today. I am super excited that
Speaker 1: they decided to come and hang out with us. Yes,
Speaker 1: Jay and Michelle, welcome to the podcast. What's that? Thank
Speaker 1: you so much for having me. I appreciate it. I'm
Speaker 1: glad you're here. What's going on, Michelle? How you's gonna girl?
Speaker 1: This is my first time meeting you. Oh kay fan,
Speaker 1: So I am so hugged that you're here. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: they will not hesitate to throw you in here. Get
Speaker 1: Jay ever threw me into an elimination, it would be
Speaker 1: a war, a war. I mean, we're just gonna get
Speaker 1: right into that real quick. I just have a question
Speaker 1: because what you don't see some little back you know,
Speaker 1: behind the scenes stuff, is the conversation We had an
Speaker 1: interrogation where you guys seemed like you're really upset about
Speaker 1: picking Jordan and I, but you easily just said yeah,
Speaker 1: Jordan and that's fine. She was like, I don't care
Speaker 1: if yeah, I don't care, that's fine. You don't ever
Speaker 1: threw anybody in Do you want to roll it back? Real?
Speaker 1: But you also don't see is the fact there was
Speaker 1: a lot of people that we basically had to like
Speaker 1: eliminate as option. You really it was like, I'm protecting
Speaker 1: this person. Protecting should have dwindled that one down we did.
Speaker 1: That's where it gets problematic, because that's why I think
Speaker 1: Jordan and I only had one one pair. There's only
Speaker 1: so far you can go. So your whole thing was like, well,
Speaker 1: what can you do for me? Well, I don't know
Speaker 1: where I stand. If you don't have those conversations with people,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna get anywhere. No. I think you got
Speaker 1: it all wrong though, because I don't. I don't I
Speaker 1: watch the same episode. Yeah, but you don't know my game. Okay,
Speaker 1: so tell us your game, Jay. So what happened was
Speaker 1: is Michelle had all her people. I had all my people.
Speaker 1: You're throwing down half the house every single time, so
Speaker 1: regardless of it is it's eight people, you're throwing down
Speaker 1: eight people every time, so they're only sixteen people in
Speaker 1: the house pretty much. How many people were up up
Speaker 1: on the stage that went on my side. I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm just. You barely ever talked to us about game.
Speaker 1: You were only with Tori most of the time. You
Speaker 1: never really told anybody what you were doing. And then
Speaker 1: on top of that, you even said in this in
Speaker 1: the episode yourself, I should probably have more talks with people,
Speaker 1: because even Veronica doesn't even know where you're at, and
Speaker 1: she's sitting there, Like the conversations I had, they didn't film.
Speaker 1: I had a whole conversation with Kim, telling him I
Speaker 1: couldn't pick him because that's Kim. I'm talking about me
Speaker 1: and Michelle, the people that are in power, right. But
Speaker 1: I already had talked to you. Why I talked to Michelle?
Speaker 1: You never talked to me. You never told me that
Speaker 1: you and I were on the same alliance. You never well,
Speaker 1: we weren't on the same alliance because you picked your
Speaker 1: own alliance. You were like the masters here. So here's
Speaker 1: the thing that I want to know. Because you guys
Speaker 1: can literally go back back and forths hit for ted
Speaker 1: your word question, I don't mind go ahead after question. No.
Speaker 1: So Jordan, as you knew, was close to Nelson and
Speaker 1: you were working with Nelson. Had no idea, But I
Speaker 1: had no idea. I literally found that out after aren't
Speaker 1: and Nelson friends like outside? He never talked to you
Speaker 1: about it. That's what I did not know any of
Speaker 1: Nelson's alliance. Who's the only one that I found out
Speaker 1: was Devin and me. That's it. I had no idea
Speaker 1: about Jordan. That was less. They are working with the
Speaker 1: information that we're given. And if nobody is giving us
Speaker 1: information when we come into power, how the how are
Speaker 1: we supposed to know what to do. We're working by
Speaker 1: our gut reaction and by conversations that people have pulled
Speaker 1: us to the side to have. Like Anissa, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, I adore you, like bro I would go
Speaker 1: out with you and Philly all the fucking time. I
Speaker 1: would like truly. But when it comes down to game,
Speaker 1: if you're not pulling me aside and telling me, hey,
Speaker 1: let's run this game together, if you're not telling me that,
Speaker 1: then I assume you're having those conversations with other people
Speaker 1: and you have a different plan in place for yourself.
Speaker 1: Like you come in with so much experience, but you'll
Speaker 1: come in with so many relationships and where they're not alliances.
Speaker 1: And I think people confuse relationships and alliance. So can
Speaker 1: I ask a question? Can I ask a question? Because Michelle,
Speaker 1: I keep hearing you saying no one ever came to you,
Speaker 1: no one ever came to you. Did you go out
Speaker 1: to anybody? Yeah? Absolutely, I there were people who I've
Speaker 1: had Obviously you can see I'm talking to Amber. I
Speaker 1: obviously have talked to Olivia before. I know where certain
Speaker 1: people's heads are at. I'm talking about a Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I'm working with Devon and Tory. They have a
Speaker 1: deal made with them already. So like, there are people
Speaker 1: that I've had those conversations, but there's people who I mean,
Speaker 1: you saw us not throw up Nanni and Bananas. But
Speaker 1: I had a conversation with Nannie about what I wanted,
Speaker 1: that I wanted to work together prior to this, So
Speaker 1: like I went out of my way to try to
Speaker 1: have some of those conversations. And I'm sorry that I
Speaker 1: didn't have it with you before. But at the time
Speaker 1: you told me Nannie came up to you right before
Speaker 1: and said, we won't throw you, We'll throw you a bone,
Speaker 1: and you said this verbatim. She came up to you
Speaker 1: right when we got off the bus to walk back
Speaker 1: into the house. And if you guys had won the challenge,
Speaker 1: don't put us in. The conversation that I had with
Speaker 1: Nanni happened right after Nanni and Bananas. One happened in
Speaker 1: the club and I was like, dam I was hurt
Speaker 1: that you threw me in without ever having a conversation
Speaker 1: to me, I do want to work with These are
Speaker 1: the same things. Do you know what I do? I
Speaker 1: have a question because the Twitter streets were very confused
Speaker 1: as to what the relationship is between you and Nannie,
Speaker 1: and why were you so emotional that you were crying? Right,
Speaker 1: what's the deal with that? Well, in general, I mean
Speaker 1: you could see from this episode, I'm not the most
Speaker 1: mentally stable at this point in the game. I am
Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, I feel things really hard.
Speaker 1: I don't want to hurt people. I don't like getting
Speaker 1: hurt either, So it's not necessarily the easiest game for
Speaker 1: me to play. I can't just shut off my emotions
Speaker 1: like that. And like, the thing about Nannie is that
Speaker 1: last season I had an incident going on with my
Speaker 1: brother when we were quarantined. She was quarantined next to me,
Speaker 1: and I didn't have my phone, I had nobody to
Speaker 1: turn to, and I was really really wondering why the
Speaker 1: hell I was going on the challenge, and she helped
Speaker 1: me through a lot of that. Then all this stuff
Speaker 1: happened with her mother, and like I felt this kinship
Speaker 1: of being like I was there last season right after
Speaker 1: going through an extreme tragedy. I understand where you're coming from,
Speaker 1: and like that was my relationship. I thought that, you know, Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, I hated what she was going through and
Speaker 1: I wanted to protect her because I just felt bad
Speaker 1: and I saw myself in her and like that's probably
Speaker 1: not the best way to play a game. I get that,
Speaker 1: but like I felt a kinship to her. I think, so,
Speaker 1: how did it feel when to see that she didn't
Speaker 1: feel it, bag because she threw you in, so it
Speaker 1: wasn't resurprise me and she threw me in and then
Speaker 1: we had a conversation in the club and she felt
Speaker 1: really really bad about it. She came to me, and
Speaker 1: maybe that was just blowing smoke, but she was like,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to put you in his main boat.
Speaker 1: I regret not having a conversation into earlier because I
Speaker 1: was saying at that point I wanted to be working
Speaker 1: with that side of the house. Like I know, we're
Speaker 1: seeing Jay talking to you know, talking about rookie rookie
Speaker 1: things and all of that. But for me, I wanted
Speaker 1: to work with the people who I liked and who
Speaker 1: I could see being like a hybrid model going into
Speaker 1: the rest of the game. And that was what I
Speaker 1: was trying to do. Honestly, That's what I'm trying to understand.
Speaker 1: Because whatever the conversation not he had with you after
Speaker 1: she threw you in, it was strong enough for you
Speaker 1: one to save her and to go against your partner,
Speaker 1: and how strong he felt about that team being a liar.
Speaker 1: So I just wanted to know was it worth it, Like,
Speaker 1: did you really believe in your heart that disregard with
Speaker 1: my partner saying my ride to die, the one person
Speaker 1: in this house who really does have my back, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go against him for this person who has shown
Speaker 1: me to my face this season, not in past season's,
Speaker 1: not before, but this season that they're not really checking
Speaker 1: for me like that. So to be fair, like I
Speaker 1: don't really I didn't really necessarily feel like I was
Speaker 1: going against Jay by making this move, Like me and
Speaker 1: Jay have conversations all the time, like we are constantly
Speaker 1: checking in on each other, like how are you doing,
Speaker 1: how are you feeling, how are you feeling about this?
Speaker 1: I would if Jay was really really feeling a certain
Speaker 1: type of way, I would respect that, and he does
Speaker 1: the exact same for me. And so no, I don't
Speaker 1: feel like I was going against Jay by any means.
Speaker 1: But the path that I saw forward in the game
Speaker 1: at the time was that I really felt like doing
Speaker 1: an IOU in this situation. But face on what she
Speaker 1: told me was strong enough for me to make the
Speaker 1: decisions that I made. Whether or not that's the right decision. Obviously,
Speaker 1: we're gonna see how it plays out. But the truth is, like,
Speaker 1: this is my second time play in this fucking game,
Speaker 1: Like I am fucking learning. We all make mistakes, we
Speaker 1: all I mean, listen, I don't I don't know. Was
Speaker 1: it the right move? Was it not? I'm not fucking sure,
Speaker 1: but I'm just doing my damn best at this point,
Speaker 1: and I felt right to un moment it was the
Speaker 1: right move. That's what she wanted to do. Let it go. Yeah, Jay,
Speaker 1: how did that make you feel? Because we saw it
Speaker 1: on your face, how much it affected you to have
Speaker 1: to throw in one of your closest friends in the house.
Speaker 1: We saw that that was very visible. So how did
Speaker 1: that make you feel? That she was very adamant about
Speaker 1: this is not we're not doing that. This is what
Speaker 1: we're gonna do. You know when Michelle, she questioned, she
Speaker 1: she borrowed up to me and she asked, like, hey,
Speaker 1: I want to say, Nannie, like they're gonna throw us
Speaker 1: a bone, They're gonna have us an iou or whatever.
Speaker 1: And the fact that I had to throw in back,
Speaker 1: like I met Jack in the show, so it's not
Speaker 1: like I have a huge relationship with Jack. I never
Speaker 1: knew him before I met him started talking to him
Speaker 1: like a week into the show and really getting to
Speaker 1: know him. So we knew each other from the show
Speaker 1: right off for it. Then, Michelle has had a relationship
Speaker 1: with Nannie for I don't even know how long. All
Speaker 1: the things that she told me that she had to
Speaker 1: deal with with her mother, with Nannie's mother and Michelle's
Speaker 1: like brother and all that going on, Like I know
Speaker 1: what it's like that, you know, family health issues and
Speaker 1: problems like that, and also like when someone passes, like
Speaker 1: that's just respect. You love each other. You love each other.
Speaker 1: That's that is what it is. And also it's it's
Speaker 1: early in the game, so you can make a power
Speaker 1: move that doesn't need to be as extremely powerful yet
Speaker 1: because I didn't see any of those teams no offense, Anissa,
Speaker 1: but I didn't see any of those teams beating Bananas
Speaker 1: and I. They're a great team. They were placed in
Speaker 1: top in everything. The moment they show up, they win
Speaker 1: their first daily challenge. You just saw that up. Wait
Speaker 1: did they really? Because they were on a swimming they
Speaker 1: were on like a gone but no one's going to
Speaker 1: beat me in a swimming challenge, Like no, he's not
Speaker 1: funny and she's not. I'm just saying there were teams
Speaker 1: that they were the best team out there, and there
Speaker 1: were other teams that were with Yeah, but I didn't
Speaker 1: so But this this is what I brought up to
Speaker 1: you on the show, right, And I said it, it's
Speaker 1: hard to with these io you and whatever you want
Speaker 1: to base things on, to expect a team to win
Speaker 1: all of the time, to help expect to assume, to
Speaker 1: assume that this team I'm talking to Michelle too, with
Speaker 1: the IOU is going to help you in the future
Speaker 1: before they help other people that they've known forever. Is
Speaker 1: kind of like I would take it with a grain
Speaker 1: of salt, you know what I mean. You've only done
Speaker 1: two shows that you don't have the experience that some
Speaker 1: of us do that have played for a long time.
Speaker 1: Why not try and work with the people that do
Speaker 1: have experience instead of starting a rookie alliance or working
Speaker 1: with all majority rookies. I work the majority rookies. I
Speaker 1: said from the jump that I was trying to do
Speaker 1: a hybrid model. I told you that I made a
Speaker 1: deal with right, I was trying to build a relationship
Speaker 1: with Nannie. I missed, but I misspoken. I've miss spoken
Speaker 1: that you're working with Nelson and Maurice, we're working with
Speaker 1: Bessie and Mariah were in the middle of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's what Jay said in the previous episode. He said,
Speaker 1: you work with Nannie and the Vets, and he was
Speaker 1: down here work in the rookies. And that's something that
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you to, Jay, because you kind
Speaker 1: of had this like Robin Hood mentality, steal from the
Speaker 1: vents and give to the rookies. Like you kind of
Speaker 1: had that mentality coming into this season. But this is
Speaker 1: your third season, so why didn't you consider yourself a
Speaker 1: VET because I was never allowed Like my first season,
Speaker 1: I didn't even play the challenge. It was literally Jay
Speaker 1: played elimination my entire first seas. You know, that's where
Speaker 1: the champs are built. Though Jack, I know that I
Speaker 1: love I'm not upset with it. It gave me my name.
Speaker 1: I got to go against ct I got to go
Speaker 1: against the greats. I got to do my ship, which
Speaker 1: is awesome. So I'm not upset with it. But coming
Speaker 1: into this season, you know, you got to build both
Speaker 1: sides because you it's it's it's fucking weird. It's like
Speaker 1: literally weird because some vets will let you in, some
Speaker 1: vets won't. Other vets have betrayed you. Other vets will
Speaker 1: talk to you, but then they talk shit behind your back.
Speaker 1: So it's everywhere, so you don't know what's going on
Speaker 1: with that. Every rookie that comes in is literally looking
Speaker 1: for a home. That's what I did my first season,
Speaker 1: That's what I did my second season. I was like,
Speaker 1: where can I go? What can I do? So if
Speaker 1: I'm literally standing there and I'm like, you know what,
Speaker 1: this is my third time. I don't have any too
Speaker 1: many like big time ties to any of these vets.
Speaker 1: Yet I can pull in some rookies and make a
Speaker 1: home for them and also do my thing, then why not?
Speaker 1: So yeah, So then Michelle pulling up with like, you know, hey,
Speaker 1: if we don't send down Bananas and Nanty this time,
Speaker 1: Nanie is gonna throw us a bone. And you know what,
Speaker 1: I've had three seasons counting this one with Bananas that well,
Speaker 1: the second one I didn't have. But the first season
Speaker 1: with Bananas immediately threw me in this season immediately threw
Speaker 1: me in and I'm like, I'm so fucking tired of
Speaker 1: this guy just like having this beef with me. I
Speaker 1: don't understand why he's so obsessed with me, but I'm
Speaker 1: so tired of this stupid beef that doesn't even exist
Speaker 1: in my mind? So why not just like try to
Speaker 1: throw a bone and be like, dude, I don't fucking
Speaker 1: care here, I'm gonna squash it, and it's done. And
Speaker 1: now maybe we could start off clean and whatever happens happens.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, too, like, I
Speaker 1: know that shit's never gonna change. I'm not a fucking idiot. So,
Speaker 1: but I didn't see any of the other teams beating
Speaker 1: bananas and Nannie. Now, what do you What do you
Speaker 1: think Johnny's issue is with you? I don't know, he's
Speaker 1: just obsessed with how ridiculously good looking I am. But
Speaker 1: speaking of beef, I think we should talk about the
Speaker 1: beef that was thoroughly in this episode. Okay, cooked and
Speaker 1: fried and chopped and made. Okay, what's going on with
Speaker 1: you and Laurel Michelle? What is the root of this issue?
Speaker 1: What is the root? Okay, so I had it on
Speaker 1: good authority that she went to somebody and had said
Speaker 1: that she was not fucking with me in the Gamian Okay,
Speaker 1: And I knew that she had alliances with literally everybody else.
Speaker 1: I mean she was working with um uh Nanni and Bananas,
Speaker 1: she was working with with Olivia Rassio, Hamber and Chauncey
Speaker 1: wanted to protect her every single person. If I mentioned
Speaker 1: Laurel to them, They're like, oh no, no, don't growl Laurelan,
Speaker 1: because Laurel is with us. And I was like, if
Speaker 1: Laurel is with everybody, then she's not with me. And
Speaker 1: like the reality is you could see like she took
Speaker 1: a chute with like she just had an attitude. We
Speaker 1: didn't connect, We didn't vibe and like I do go,
Speaker 1: I'm like who I'm vibing with? And like I just
Speaker 1: didn't fuck with it. I didn't like the energy and
Speaker 1: like I don't know, I just wasn't an into it.
Speaker 1: You know. We don't go on the show to like
Speaker 1: be best friends. Not everyone's gonna like everyone, but I
Speaker 1: do feel like there is a level of respect. It's like, god, damn,
Speaker 1: why are you connected to Jack? Because like I made
Speaker 1: friends with Jack, and I love Jack in the house.
Speaker 1: I love Jack. I haven't got to talk to Jack
Speaker 1: out of the house, but he's a really good dude.
Speaker 1: And the fact that they were tied together sucked because
Speaker 1: I was trying to make an alliance. But I mean,
Speaker 1: if if only half of our team Rider die team me,
Speaker 1: he's trying to make an alliance with them, and then
Speaker 1: the other half is like absolutely untrustworthy of the other person,
Speaker 1: of the other half of the team, I'm like, what
Speaker 1: the fuck do I do. I'm protecting my alliances already.
Speaker 1: I'm protecting the people that I already told me that
Speaker 1: they're gonna align with me. So I can't save just
Speaker 1: a new friend. Sorry, we're playing for a million dollars,
Speaker 1: but I just met you. And also my rider dies
Speaker 1: literally telling me all this shit that like, just don't
Speaker 1: go with Lord. I trusted Laurel too, I got I
Speaker 1: got along with both of them. But you're not in
Speaker 1: my alliance. You're not in my alliance, and you could
Speaker 1: be my friend, but unless you tell me, like, hey,
Speaker 1: I got you one hundred percent, then I don't have
Speaker 1: you one hundred percent. And unless I tell you that
Speaker 1: as well, then it is what it is. It's a game.
Speaker 1: Does this with the whole Jack and Laurel thing reminds
Speaker 1: you of the you and Teresa. Uh, you know you
Speaker 1: could see it like that, But with Teresa, I had
Speaker 1: no idea what Teresa was doing behind my back, especially
Speaker 1: with Durrell, Like, I had no clue on that on
Speaker 1: Earth and like even you, you came up to me
Speaker 1: and you were like, you know, oh, Jay, I don't
Speaker 1: know what's going on today, and you voted me in.
Speaker 1: And to this day, I was like, why the fuck
Speaker 1: would you go against me instead of just asking me
Speaker 1: what's going on? Because I had no clue, but no
Speaker 1: one believed me. I mean, it's my second season, my
Speaker 1: first season, my votes didn't matter. You're putting me in
Speaker 1: the sand is way different. I mean it's the same
Speaker 1: shoe you would have you had majority vote anyway. But
Speaker 1: that's besides. Yeah, but you're you're still my friend. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't never do that to you. So, yeah, you did
Speaker 1: it first, so what's the problem. Yeah, but me putting
Speaker 1: you in didn't say, like, I wasn't the reason that
Speaker 1: you went in the sand. If I whether I voted
Speaker 1: for you or not, you were part of the protect
Speaker 1: the rest of my game where people are gonna throw
Speaker 1: you in whatever you want to believe were I just
Speaker 1: feel like it's it makes you but hurt because when
Speaker 1: you think somebody's your friend they say your name, it sucks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: especially I think that's when it comes down to say,
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna say your name, Jay, And then you
Speaker 1: come up to me in the double Agent's house and
Speaker 1: say I didn't vote for you, and then I watch
Speaker 1: it back and see it I never said it, didn't
Speaker 1: vote for you. I just didn't talk to you about it.
Speaker 1: I avoided your friends. Didn't you just say that we
Speaker 1: were friends. I just said, that's why people get butt hurt. Okay,
Speaker 1: I want to lift the spirits of this episode just
Speaker 1: a little bit. Just yeah, I'm good. Spirits just a
Speaker 1: little bit, um, Jay, it was so much love and
Speaker 1: lust that was going on on the season so far.
Speaker 1: I just want to know what or who were you
Speaker 1: doing while all of this was going on, because we
Speaker 1: don't see you in the love love clips, but were
Speaker 1: you doing something behind the scenes where you can get caught.
Speaker 1: Oh it's great to just get to cuddle and get
Speaker 1: away with it. It's really cuddling with who Jay, anybody
Speaker 1: would smother him. He's a big smotherer. He like great.
Speaker 1: I caught him with Anissa, cut with Michelle, cuddle, I
Speaker 1: cuddled one nightddled with he did it was you and
Speaker 1: it was it was three people. You guys all fell asleep.
Speaker 1: I think that night, oh me that Michelle was not
Speaker 1: in there. Oh Jay passed out in some bead. He
Speaker 1: falls asleep easily, I do. It's great. Um yeah, no,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of a lot of girls cuddled. But
Speaker 1: it was great. But nobody like really caught your I
Speaker 1: j You wasn't like, oh look at that that that
Speaker 1: that that nobody you know. I'm there for a million bucks.
Speaker 1: I know, I like, I don't like these as I do.
Speaker 1: That's the truth. You can ask Michelle like, I'm there
Speaker 1: for a fucking million dollars. Has the hard eyes though
Speaker 1: he was getting himself he did. I got myself in
Speaker 1: trouble for home Michelle spill early days, luring with Colleen,
Speaker 1: flirting Olivia. This is pretty Nelson. I mean he was
Speaker 1: flirting with anybody who had a pretty face. No, not anybody. No,
Speaker 1: it was I think it was majority of those two Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: blond brigade. So what happened what happened? Jay? You just
Speaker 1: didn't get chos? Are you backed off? Oh no, No,
Speaker 1: they just both found out that I was cuddling with
Speaker 1: them both at different times. Oh you got caught, you
Speaker 1: got but you guys Jay's apology tour it was a
Speaker 1: great one. Yeah, my show, What About You? Who was
Speaker 1: you snuggling and duggling with? I mean I made the
Speaker 1: geek of cuddling with Bessie. But don't we all? Don't
Speaker 1: we all? Everywhere? Yeah? I feel like I played Never
Speaker 1: Have I Ever? Sitting there too. Yeah, that room got
Speaker 1: a lot of action. Yeah, I would like to know
Speaker 1: about Never Have I Ever? What I lose every time? You?
Speaker 1: Nica and I probably lost. You honestly do lose every time.
Speaker 1: Although Ronica gave you a run for your money. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she definitely lost. She wait. And it was so weird
Speaker 1: because Michelle and I weren't really talking because I was upset,
Speaker 1: and she would come into the room and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I guess we're playing Never Have I Ever? Together? And
Speaker 1: that's the That's the one thing that happens on the show.
Speaker 1: It's like as mad as you want to be, like,
Speaker 1: you really enjoy people certain people, so it's it's really
Speaker 1: hard to do that, and once once a pair of leaves,
Speaker 1: it changes the whole dynamic of the house. And if
Speaker 1: there are people in your alliance or people that just
Speaker 1: keep you saying like you need the balance. I'm so
Speaker 1: glad you brought up Veronica, because what's the deal with
Speaker 1: your friendship this episode? What's what's going on? It seems
Speaker 1: like neither one of you really know what you where
Speaker 1: you staying with each other, Like we know that there's
Speaker 1: love there, but what's what's the deal? Like we spent
Speaker 1: time her speech, it was longer, and then Durrell made one,
Speaker 1: but it was awful. Durrell started sweating. He took his
Speaker 1: hat off. I think he misspronounced. I mean, this was
Speaker 1: the episode of mispronouncing things. But um, I actually before
Speaker 1: I get nervous because I made a promise to DM
Speaker 1: years ago and it still sits with me. I mean,
Speaker 1: and it's been over a decade that I wouldn't throw
Speaker 1: her in And it was mid challenge. I mean, she
Speaker 1: was climbing up the thing when I'm like, I won't
Speaker 1: do it because I thought she was gonna win, and
Speaker 1: I had already gone in elimination like three times. I mean,
Speaker 1: I was going in the whole season with one of
Speaker 1: my good friends on there, and from then on, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm never doing that again. So I get nervous because
Speaker 1: this game can switch on the drop of a dime.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, do I have this conversation with Veronica,
Speaker 1: a person that I care about and love, and then
Speaker 1: some shit, some weird shit happens. So I was like,
Speaker 1: let me sit for a second. Talk to Kim. He
Speaker 1: was like, a niece, I need to talk to you,
Speaker 1: and I'm like yeah. He was like, what would you
Speaker 1: do if you pull the safe dagger? And I'm like,
Speaker 1: i gotta be honest with you. I'm gonna save Derrella Veronica. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I love you and Kim and I
Speaker 1: talked every single day. He is ahem, Khalim's my roommate. Like,
Speaker 1: I had so much fun with them. But Derrell and
Speaker 1: Veronica I've known for forever. So I had that talk
Speaker 1: with Kim and then we get down there and I'm
Speaker 1: like shit, and I'm like it made me think, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is what I should have had a conversation where
Speaker 1: I was like, Rodaka, I got you. Yeah, but she
Speaker 1: needed that. She expressed she needed it. Yeah, okay, so
Speaker 1: before we go with me further, we need to take
Speaker 1: a quick break. It will be right back after this.
Speaker 1: So I want to get into this daily challenge because
Speaker 1: it looked super super fun. It looked like work, but
Speaker 1: it looks a lot of fun as if you were.
Speaker 1: I went there when my arms, like, I look funnily.
Speaker 1: So tell us how that fail each of you. I
Speaker 1: want to know what your experience was. I loved it.
Speaker 1: I like usually look at challenges and I'm like, fuck,
Speaker 1: I don't want to do that. That looks horrible. I'm
Speaker 1: definitely get it's not at this, but like, seeing this challenge,
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, these are things that I know
Speaker 1: how to do, Like I know how to perform in
Speaker 1: this way. So I was excited to just something that
Speaker 1: like I finally felt comfortable with. Um, yeah it was.
Speaker 1: It's this is like a swimming endurance is not in
Speaker 1: everybody's wheelhouse, so I was kind of happy to see it. Michelle,
Speaker 1: did you feel comfortable with the oars? Though, Let's be real,
Speaker 1: the oars were a little strange. Honestly. Jack's quote about
Speaker 1: it being like from the fifteen hundreds or something. I
Speaker 1: gotta stony was like, dude, it really was. They were
Speaker 1: so finicky like you. They would kept catching you like
Speaker 1: game momentum, and then they catch the water and it
Speaker 1: would like jar the whole boat. It's like ivo before
Speaker 1: I consider myself like, you know, water animal, I know
Speaker 1: I know how to row like a fucking kayak. But
Speaker 1: this is not that. This No, this was from straight
Speaker 1: up from medieval times. I didn't know what it was like.
Speaker 1: This is how they got across the sea. Jay, you
Speaker 1: jumped in that water like a shark searching for blood
Speaker 1: like you would own it on the hunt. You know,
Speaker 1: how did it for you? These daily challenges are literally
Speaker 1: why I'm obsessed with the challenge. It's just to go
Speaker 1: and compete. This is my favorite part. I hate the
Speaker 1: fucking social game. I wish we could all just be
Speaker 1: friends and compete and if you lose, you go to
Speaker 1: the fuck home. It is what it is. But these dailies,
Speaker 1: I mean, this an elimination. Every time I go into
Speaker 1: elimination too, I'm like, yes, I get to do one
Speaker 1: more challenge than all of you if I survived, obviously,
Speaker 1: But it's like sick how I look at these these
Speaker 1: competitions even Michelle. No. She looks at me and she's like,
Speaker 1: are you ready? And I'm just like quiet. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: everything's great. And she's like, how the fuck are you
Speaker 1: like this zen right now? What's going on? And she
Speaker 1: gets like all this anxiety standing next to me, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, come here, and I just give her a hug.
Speaker 1: I'm like, we're good, don't worry about everything would be
Speaker 1: straight now. We get in and she's like what the
Speaker 1: fuck because Michelle get scared when I get like super
Speaker 1: focused or angry, so she's like, what the fuck is
Speaker 1: going on now? And I'm like, just In, that's my favorite.
Speaker 1: I love her ship. I don't. I hate it. I
Speaker 1: hate everything about the challenge. I don't know why you
Speaker 1: keep coming back to marry challenging in. Yeah, she just
Speaker 1: likes the unlimited wine, that's what she was. I mean
Speaker 1: this season, this wine wasn't that bad, so I wasn't
Speaker 1: I wasn't mad about an Argentinian mail back. Yeah, some
Speaker 1: good stuff, yeah, but this challenge was not. I mean,
Speaker 1: I like swimming and I like rowing, so I didn't
Speaker 1: really have an issue. I mean, as you saw, like
Speaker 1: I really did get emotional about it, because like Jordan
Speaker 1: is an animal on land. Yeah, and I just can
Speaker 1: I just say something about that dude the moment I
Speaker 1: met this guy, right, I have a fucking crush on
Speaker 1: this dude because I don't know how the fuck he
Speaker 1: does everything so well. He is immaculate in his athleticism,
Speaker 1: and his competition is crazy, and the fact that he's
Speaker 1: doing these oars with one hand and he's keeping he's
Speaker 1: in second place, I'm like, what the fuck? I don't
Speaker 1: I don't understand. I want to take him on a
Speaker 1: date and pick his fucking brain. I got very emotional
Speaker 1: about it because I saw how frustrated he was and
Speaker 1: to see him in a moment like struggle because he's
Speaker 1: not weak and I would never use that word with him,
Speaker 1: but he struggled, and we were still like right behind
Speaker 1: you know, like we yapped up. You were right now,
Speaker 1: you were right behind us. We kept up also work together.
Speaker 1: Oh well, put that on the table. Then, congratulations to
Speaker 1: YouTube for winning the first heat. Now, going into the
Speaker 1: second heat, before it even started, who were YouTube most
Speaker 1: concerned about winning the second heat? We were who was next?
Speaker 1: It was Nelson, Fessie, Tory, Devon, Colleen Kim, Nanni and Bananas.
Speaker 1: That was it for me. Nanni and Bananas. Every time,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh shit, if Bananas wins were going down,
Speaker 1: Michelle thinks that it's not happening, but I know it's
Speaker 1: fucking happening. Yeah, I like honestly looked at all the
Speaker 1: teams and I was like, Okay, this is not the worst,
Speaker 1: This is not the worst situation. Like I felt pretty
Speaker 1: okay with all the teams that were in the second heat,
Speaker 1: so I wasn't super stressed. In fact, I looked at
Speaker 1: the other teams and I was kind of like, I
Speaker 1: hope one of them wins, because I really did not
Speaker 1: want to be in a power position like you saw
Speaker 1: how stressed out I was just being in that power position,
Speaker 1: Like I prefer to be somebody who doesn't have to
Speaker 1: make who wins with us to make zero decisions. Yeah,
Speaker 1: is that possible? It would be ideal. So I really
Speaker 1: was kind of hoping that like maybe Fessi or Nelse
Speaker 1: like anybody. Yeah, I would have been okay with anywhere
Speaker 1: from that. Were you surprised by Fessie and Mariah and
Speaker 1: Bananas a Nannie like how how they performed or didn't perform?
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, I was well, like, I know, Fessie's
Speaker 1: really strong in the water, and I've I was swimming
Speaker 1: with Maria, so I kind of had a radar of
Speaker 1: how how well she you know, how she did, But
Speaker 1: I don't think it was the swimming question. She the
Speaker 1: way she was holding those oars, I was like, I
Speaker 1: think it looked like she was stirring. She was stirring
Speaker 1: like a cauldron mash potato. Yes, I don't know what
Speaker 1: she's making, butter yeah. Wait, but what you don't see
Speaker 1: is that they're going perpendicular to the track. The lake
Speaker 1: is huge, and we're on like one third of the lake,
Speaker 1: and then you just see them exactly what it needs
Speaker 1: to say. They go diagonal to the point where they're
Speaker 1: completely perpendicular to us, and now they're just going to
Speaker 1: the other shore and we're like, dude, you're not even
Speaker 1: on the track anymore. And then Bananas a Nanni or
Speaker 1: like over there as well, own doing circle around. So
Speaker 1: it can it can show you that, like even the
Speaker 1: most intimidating pairs, all you do is stick a medieval
Speaker 1: boat in there or a Viking vessel and and the
Speaker 1: worst can come out of their performance. So it just
Speaker 1: shows everybody has a weakness exactly, but not even that,
Speaker 1: like you just put it in any other rowing thing apparatus.
Speaker 1: Maybe if it were like a little bit more up
Speaker 1: to date, could have been a different game. Yeah, But
Speaker 1: I think it's how well you can adapt and learn
Speaker 1: on the floor because that was like a CrossFit rower
Speaker 1: and like a crew rowing boat. So it was like
Speaker 1: you had to do this overhand, not at the same
Speaker 1: time row thing. That shit was like rowing on a noodle. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was so flimsy and so RIDI like you were
Speaker 1: about to turn over every second. Michelle's like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: and like just control control, We good, we good. Let's yeah. No,
Speaker 1: I freaked out the whole time. I was so nervous
Speaker 1: that we were to have size. It was made of wood, Okay,
Speaker 1: the whole thing just rickety clickety wood for real. But
Speaker 1: you guys end up taking a k and you guys
Speaker 1: come out as victors and the winners. This episode was
Speaker 1: so emotional, was filled with ups and downs, questionable friendships, love, lust,
Speaker 1: all type of stuff. But I do want to tap
Speaker 1: into the friendship between you and Jack. Now we saw
Speaker 1: that this was a great high episode for you in
Speaker 1: the winning department, but it ultimately potentially cost you your friendship.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, definitely definitely did. So you guys are not
Speaker 1: friends as of today. I mean I'm still his friend.
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's not my friend. So so you guys
Speaker 1: haven't spoken since the season wrapped. I talked to him
Speaker 1: one time after I texted him. I gave him some
Speaker 1: time and then I texted him and then he ended
Speaker 1: up texting me back and being like, yeah, man, let's
Speaker 1: hang out, let's go work out, and all this stuff
Speaker 1: hasn't happened, and I was like, oh, okay, cool. Then
Speaker 1: I hit him up again and ghost. So I don't
Speaker 1: know what happened in that moment or in those days,
Speaker 1: but yeah, Chinese Takeout is currently broken up, So tell
Speaker 1: me how that. Okay, So, yes, the band, the band
Speaker 1: no Good Night part of the night. I'm surprised they
Speaker 1: it and called it emo night. We had about how
Speaker 1: did it start? Where did they come from? Our fire
Speaker 1: I think brought up everything. That little firepit was like
Speaker 1: where all of our creative juices were flowing. Okay, everybody
Speaker 1: was singing rapping. A niece is a hell of a singer,
Speaker 1: Um Devin rapping. I was rapping vessel was rapping unfortunately
Speaker 1: not I need. I hope they have it for when
Speaker 1: they has a blanket freestyle and it's just but then yeah,
Speaker 1: So then Jack and I I told him I messed
Speaker 1: with music, and he's like, oh, I make music too.
Speaker 1: So then we started writing lyrics together and we were
Speaker 1: just like writing some funny shit one day and then
Speaker 1: Devin walked by and we're like, hey, yeah, we're making
Speaker 1: a song. So then it just kind of like warped
Speaker 1: into this, like okay, let's make an emo rock band.
Speaker 1: So then we went with it. And then everybody dressed up,
Speaker 1: which was awesome, and it was good to see like
Speaker 1: everybodybody's having a good time. It was just a time
Speaker 1: where no one was upset yet not yet. Everyone's happy
Speaker 1: so far. All the rookies are going home ships. Ship's great.
Speaker 1: You didn't the tables were not shook nothing yet, so
Speaker 1: then you know, standing on the table singing rock the
Speaker 1: boat a little bit. So that's what it is now,
Speaker 1: not even knowing that very soon, not even knowing that
Speaker 1: the fucking king emos about the fuck it was. So
Speaker 1: it was so good and probably the one time where
Speaker 1: I was like Jay, I like this look for you.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, this is yeah. I hit on Jay about
Speaker 1: four times that night. Yeah, I hit on YouTube because
Speaker 1: you're singing. It was fucking I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: tend to get smothered. Yeah, yeah, if you want to,
Speaker 1: just like just put me to sleep, just hug me
Speaker 1: and just like lay on me, and I'm good. I'm out. Michelle.
Speaker 1: I have to ask you because if I don't, the
Speaker 1: people will riot. Okay, So I have to ask you.
Speaker 1: Do you, now that you watched the episode back, do
Speaker 1: you have any regrets in not putting Nannie into the
Speaker 1: elimination Nanni and Bananas, I'm sorry into the elimination. I
Speaker 1: think that I made the right choice for myself in
Speaker 1: the moment, but I think the perception that it gave
Speaker 1: other people had more weight than the decision. Like what
Speaker 1: I didn't factor in. I factored in the decision that
Speaker 1: I felt was right for me and Jay in that moment,
Speaker 1: but I didn't think about everybody else's perception of that decision.
Speaker 1: I thought about, Okay, how will our game move forward
Speaker 1: with making these choices? Right? Yeah, But I didn't think, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: now they're all perceiving our decisions like there's a lot
Speaker 1: to think about. And what you also don't see is
Speaker 1: that we won that challenge and we went right into
Speaker 1: we didn't have time to talk to any buddy. Your
Speaker 1: hair was still wet. It was like it was eight
Speaker 1: minutes to get ready. Wow. So part of it is
Speaker 1: the conversations and the checkens that we needed to have
Speaker 1: we weren't really able to have, you know, like we
Speaker 1: were doing things really really fast, and you can't think
Speaker 1: through every single thing when you're moving now fast. You
Speaker 1: can't play every avenue out um. And so do I
Speaker 1: regret it? Like I regret I don't regret anything that
Speaker 1: I did because I was working with the information that
Speaker 1: I that I had. But yeah, I probably would have
Speaker 1: done I probably could have done things differently, I don't know,
Speaker 1: But that we did great. So what did you think
Speaker 1: of now that you watch it? But what did you
Speaker 1: think about the reactions that everybody had seeing it? Like
Speaker 1: seeing how they were like what that was gone? Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, I absolutely understand people's reactions, but at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, it is a game, and like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to play the long game, right, I really,
Speaker 1: I really am. And I think sometimes when you do that,
Speaker 1: you forget that there is a short game that needs
Speaker 1: to um So that's always the battle, like how do
Speaker 1: you play how do you play it to stay until
Speaker 1: the end while also maintaining what needs to be done
Speaker 1: right now. So it is a balancing act. And I'm learning,
Speaker 1: and me and Jay, you know, we're learning. We're trying
Speaker 1: to navigate and working on barely. You know, we don't
Speaker 1: have a lot of experience. It's really hard coming into
Speaker 1: this game, like as a survivor because big brother, I mean, Dayvon,
Speaker 1: you've paid the way. Natalie paved the way, Paulie, you know,
Speaker 1: all you guys have paved the way coming in. I'm
Speaker 1: the first survivor in Michelle's the first, like American Survivor's turboat.
Speaker 1: He counts as a survivor, but he's just in his
Speaker 1: own boat because he's like, let me just everything and
Speaker 1: the show. Yeah Natalie, but I'm talking about in our season.
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, yeah yeah, but yes, me, uh, Natalie, Michelle
Speaker 1: and I are all the first survivors ever to play.
Speaker 1: I was the first one all alone, but also but
Speaker 1: as a recurring yeah, yeah, yeah, this is our This
Speaker 1: is our second time or third time for me, second
Speaker 1: for for Michelle. So coming in, people look at Survivor
Speaker 1: immediately and they're just like, nah, can't trust you. Don't
Speaker 1: know why, but it just can't trust you. Off rip
Speaker 1: and even you know, Anissa was the very first person
Speaker 1: ever on my first season to ever come up out
Speaker 1: of the vets to be like, hey, I messed with you.
Speaker 1: I like you. You're a cool person. I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: your friend and let's work, like just just hang out.
Speaker 1: And she never voted against me, which I always respected
Speaker 1: and I love that. And I was like, I'll never
Speaker 1: fucking throw you in. It is what it is. We're
Speaker 1: good fun right. But then now coming in, like you
Speaker 1: can even see in the episode, like everyone's like, oh
Speaker 1: the Survivors, you know, their masterminds, they're doing shit. And
Speaker 1: it's like when we're playing the game right now, which
Speaker 1: you don't realize too, is like it is very early
Speaker 1: in the game. So taking a massive power shot and
Speaker 1: also not it affects both ways. So if we could
Speaker 1: kind of throw it in the middle where it was
Speaker 1: a middle, like if you look at our picks, they're
Speaker 1: all middle picks. I mean, Kim and Cooling. They almost
Speaker 1: won the rowing challenge. He looked like like a golden
Speaker 1: god on the boat. Anisa and Jordan they came in second,
Speaker 1: Laura and Jack they did great, just came in, and
Speaker 1: Veronica Durrell came in. So we're trying to play both
Speaker 1: sides where it's not affecting too much, but it's also
Speaker 1: making enough moves to like, Okay, let's build our alliance
Speaker 1: and also keep our people strong. So to a lot
Speaker 1: of people, it might look like we don't know what
Speaker 1: the fuck we're doing, but in every move that we made,
Speaker 1: it was calculated for a long game. It was calculated
Speaker 1: also for our game. Everyone's gonna get upset when you
Speaker 1: get thrown in. You're never gonna be like Henks, Bro,
Speaker 1: that's so good for your game. I can't wait to
Speaker 1: just do it for you. You did great. Everyone's gonna
Speaker 1: be pissed you throw me in. I'm gonna be like, motherfucker,
Speaker 1: I'm pissed. I feel like from the outside, it's almost expected,
Speaker 1: you know, because they have this this thing. Social media
Speaker 1: has this thing where CBS is trying to take over
Speaker 1: the CBS people are trying to take over the challenge, right,
Speaker 1: That's what they're saying on the social media. So my
Speaker 1: thing is Why do you think that the other CBS
Speaker 1: people that were there weren't welcoming minus Amber weren't really
Speaker 1: welcoming to you too. Why do you guys think that
Speaker 1: is because I would have expected a big CBS situation.
Speaker 1: I think that I think that there's this stigma that
Speaker 1: we're like sneaky because we're on Survivor, particularly that I
Speaker 1: Wall and Jay had was working with Teresa, and there's
Speaker 1: like all of these stigmas that we literally cannot shake
Speaker 1: out of people's minds when we do anything. If we
Speaker 1: do things that are good and not sneaky and upfront,
Speaker 1: nobody recognizes it. The minute that we do something that's
Speaker 1: a little bit shaky, they're like, that's exactly what we
Speaker 1: expected of them. They're sneaky, they're snakes, And it's like
Speaker 1: a self fulfilling prophecy. It's like, we're gonna become what
Speaker 1: you think that we are, no matter because eventually this
Speaker 1: game is sneaky. It requires making moves, and we're always
Speaker 1: going to be what you expect. If you think that way,
Speaker 1: we're going to show up and be that way. That's
Speaker 1: just unfortunately the way that it is in this game,
Speaker 1: and we can't seem to shake it, but also being
Speaker 1: tied to some of the CBS people like Fessi. We're
Speaker 1: working with Fessio's chill, and then with Casey we had
Speaker 1: a mutual understanding of just like we know where you are.
Speaker 1: We never had to say anything of like hey, we're
Speaker 1: working together. Because she's working with Nannie, she gets and
Speaker 1: Nannie is right hand to Bananas. Yeah, so she can't
Speaker 1: say shit to me. You know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 1: there's nothing she's gonna be like, oh Jay, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: talk to Nannie trying to say like now I know
Speaker 1: I'm fun. Let's get over it. All right. So as
Speaker 1: far as CBS is concerned, like those are the only
Speaker 1: other two, and we had Fessi with us the whole time,
Speaker 1: so they just don't show everything, yeah, which is fine
Speaker 1: because then it just leaves like questions like this, so
Speaker 1: we get to do cool stuff. ANSA. Do you agree
Speaker 1: that there is a stamp on yeah shows? I mean yeah,
Speaker 1: but I also feel like challenge people think like this
Speaker 1: is our show. Um okay. Additionally, like I know, before
Speaker 1: the season happened, I'm like, okay, I'm gonna work with Michelle.
Speaker 1: It's just in my mind, and what wasn't to my
Speaker 1: benefit or Jordan's. Um, I think coming in late and
Speaker 1: having people already having those conversations. Nope. UM. But Jordan
Speaker 1: and I kind of are kind of misfits, you know,
Speaker 1: like we ride on the outside, and I made my
Speaker 1: one promise and if someone thought I was gonna throw
Speaker 1: I'm my best friend under the bus, they were out
Speaker 1: of their mind. But besides that, I had no no
Speaker 1: promises to anyone, So of course I was like, I
Speaker 1: want to work with someone that's good at the fucking game.
Speaker 1: And I think if I could run it back, I wonder,
Speaker 1: I wonder what it would have looked like had had
Speaker 1: our two pairs work together this season. On looking back
Speaker 1: on it, had I known that you guys were working
Speaker 1: with Nelson, and had I known that, like you were
Speaker 1: actually tied to Michelle, this shit would have been completely different.
Speaker 1: I know. And that's and I never make phone calls
Speaker 1: before the show because I just expect, like and maybe
Speaker 1: that's maybe that's shitty on me, but I you know,
Speaker 1: I think we all have integrity. It's not a question
Speaker 1: of character. It's just the game is like, like, I
Speaker 1: love you guys outside of it I love you inside
Speaker 1: the game. It just it just hurts when when shit happens,
Speaker 1: you know. So it's and I'm I'm just a human
Speaker 1: being that fields things. So yeah, And I've been in
Speaker 1: twenty I've been in twenty three elimination or whatever. However
Speaker 1: many or more so I've had friends and the whole
Speaker 1: house and people that I thought I'd trust. So I
Speaker 1: get where you guys are coming from. But I think
Speaker 1: once something happens, you give people one excuse, one thing,
Speaker 1: they will take it and they will use it for ever.
Speaker 1: You step on someone's toe, They're like, that's the person
Speaker 1: that steps on people's feet, yea, And they will never
Speaker 1: let you live that down. It does not matter if
Speaker 1: you are a fucking saint and you never tell a
Speaker 1: liar do anything ever again, it just stays with you.
Speaker 1: And to be honest, you can thrive and move through that.
Speaker 1: There are people that have been villains and horrible and
Speaker 1: people hate them and they and even if they're not,
Speaker 1: they can still, you know, rise to the top. So
Speaker 1: I doubt it's the last time people are going to
Speaker 1: see you. You start villain era? Is this? I mean, Michelle,
Speaker 1: I don't think you could ever be a villain, I
Speaker 1: don't think, but you know who may be answering their
Speaker 1: villain era world in Jack. They are now back into
Speaker 1: the house. Now, how are you too feeling that I
Speaker 1: are coming back? Hopefully Chinese Takeout can come up with
Speaker 1: a new soul. I'm sorry, I have to tell honestly,
Speaker 1: I was so so stressed out making all of the decisions,
Speaker 1: like I am, that is not in my comfort zone
Speaker 1: and you could obviously see that play out in the episode.
Speaker 1: But once the decision is made and I have to
Speaker 1: deal with the backlash, I'm fine taking the backlash once
Speaker 1: it's dead and done, like I am, I am strong
Speaker 1: enough after the decision is made to hold my own
Speaker 1: and fight for myself. I'm really not somebody who backs
Speaker 1: down in that way. But like it was the hemming
Speaker 1: the hall and then not knowing the hurting people, the
Speaker 1: hurt is done. It's done, and now I'm gonna stand
Speaker 1: out for my decision and I'm gonna move right along.
Speaker 1: So like I don't feel in this moment now that
Speaker 1: it's all done, like intimidated. Whatever, we made a decision,
Speaker 1: whether it was a good decision or not, everybody's gonna
Speaker 1: have opinions on it slightly. People are gonna say it's
Speaker 1: not well whatever, you know what, move along and onto
Speaker 1: the next week. Like it's we're just gonna have to
Speaker 1: hang on to the next week and that's it. On
Speaker 1: to the next week. Anything you can tell us about
Speaker 1: this next episode, and you're putting it out there, Anissa
Speaker 1: gets mad again. I get pissed. Oh anything, anything you
Speaker 1: want to use, any special situation. I mean, we're definitely
Speaker 1: not out of hot water yet. I think that, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be it's gonna winning. It feels like losing,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna we're gonna see how that play is out.
Speaker 1: And I think it's paving the road for like people
Speaker 1: seeing that this is the first time that I really
Speaker 1: had the backlash is gonna be, like, you know, people
Speaker 1: are gonna start to see that the backlash for the
Speaker 1: decisions that you make paved the way for the rest
Speaker 1: of your game. Things are gonna get spicy. Oh love,
Speaker 1: a little spice, A little spice. Let's get into the
Speaker 1: final segment of this episode. So we have one final
Speaker 1: game for you. Now. We have three questions for you
Speaker 1: about each other. This is you say you're right of eyes.
Speaker 1: Now it's time to prove me you're ready. Okay, I'm ready.
Speaker 1: Question number one, I need sound throwing it to you.
Speaker 1: All right, guys, there was an emo party this episode
Speaker 1: as we all participated in What is your partner's favorite
Speaker 1: genre of music? Oh? Jay loves like rock, like old
Speaker 1: is it rock, punk rock, indie rock, whatever, punk rock.
Speaker 1: He always brings it up, like rock songs from like
Speaker 1: the eighties that I'm like, what the fuck is that?
Speaker 1: Where is she? Where did like hair bands or like
Speaker 1: all of them? Hud had everything is? She's andy punk,
Speaker 1: old class every If you got a guitar in your hand,
Speaker 1: we're good. Yeah? Is she right? Jay? She's right. Oh.
Speaker 1: Michelle's is very difficult because she's like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: she's like a fucking fairy. She's like floats around. I
Speaker 1: don't understand what she listens to. Definitely not rock, and
Speaker 1: I don't think it's house. I feel like it's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, just like pop music, just like regular pop.
Speaker 1: She's like a top forty kind of girl. Yeah to forty.
Speaker 1: There's a really forty okay, Yeah, like Taylor Swift and
Speaker 1: whatever else. Yeah, FATA's new album please, I know Everywhere
Speaker 1: not album see, that's where we differ, Michelle. We can
Speaker 1: go out on the shore, we can drink together, but
Speaker 1: not tete. Oh I'm just kidding. I might get crucified
Speaker 1: for that. They ham it. Listen. I think she's talented.
Speaker 1: I think she's talented. You like son I love. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm a big indie rock girl though my space days. Listen.
Speaker 1: Oh lord, you would have you would have been my
Speaker 1: top eight, but after this fucking episode, I would have
Speaker 1: taken you out, but I would have put you back in.
Speaker 1: I'm on the top sixteen right now until next week.
Speaker 1: Then I'm top nothing. So question number two. The house
Speaker 1: got a burger King feast this episode. What's your partner's
Speaker 1: favorite Burger King order? Um? I assume he would like
Speaker 1: something like I don't know, what's what's that burger king?
Speaker 1: Like a walker like whatever, Like a big sandwiches. I
Speaker 1: don't know, I've seen it. J just eats a lot
Speaker 1: of a lot of food. So something big, all right?
Speaker 1: She says, something big, something big, something big and beefy,
Speaker 1: big old beef. Oh yeah, you already know that that
Speaker 1: clip is about to go viral. What's Michelle's favorite order
Speaker 1: from Burger King? I don't. Maybe French fries, I don't.
Speaker 1: Probably something like chicken, like chicken tenders or French for us.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, something you're just dipping. They got
Speaker 1: chicken fries, don't they. Yeah, I'm actually starving. I know
Speaker 1: I'm sick, but now I'm hungry. Well, let's answer number
Speaker 1: three so Anissa can go eat. Yeah, let's see. I'd
Speaker 1: love to ask this one. Does Anissa still love Jay
Speaker 1: and Michelle? I don't know, as you guys, I still
Speaker 1: love you. It's a game. I told you. I've been
Speaker 1: put in by every single person I think that's ever
Speaker 1: been on the challenge. So you get over it. I'm
Speaker 1: with you. Don't bring it to the next show. I'm
Speaker 1: with you, hopefully. Um So, in episode one, you said
Speaker 1: you first met flirting in a hotel elevator while being
Speaker 1: cast for Survivor. Do you remember or no which floor
Speaker 1: that elevator was going to? We went to the penthouse,
Speaker 1: sweet together waiting. So that was the incorrect answer, Michelle.
Speaker 1: The correct answer is I don't know. I think you're
Speaker 1: floor eleven. Were you guys that consumed with each other?
Speaker 1: You don't remember the floor flo for Big Brothers? The
Speaker 1: top one going to see Jesus because I was tired, child.
Speaker 1: I was tirer tired. I was tired, Okay, I was tired.
Speaker 1: You guys have been so amazing. I'm so glad that
Speaker 1: you guys came to hang out with me and Anissa today.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you guys got an opportunity to have a
Speaker 1: conversation because it was a little tension between the three
Speaker 1: of y'all at the top of it. Yeah, the top
Speaker 1: of the episode was hot. Sorry, listen, I've had a
Speaker 1: fever and I feel like it's just broke again on here,
Speaker 1: and that is my bad. So but I love that.
Speaker 1: I love that about this podcast because we have the
Speaker 1: opportunity to have people who have beef, even if it's
Speaker 1: like little beef sausages. You know, I'm literally in the
Speaker 1: notes like, you guys could have found somebody else to
Speaker 1: do this fucking interview. And look at y'all now talking
Speaker 1: about top eight on my Space going to have it.
Speaker 1: Yeah a Nissa's hosting it. Are you worried? And I
Speaker 1: was like, I can't wait to talk to her. I know.
Speaker 1: He was like, how you doing, and I'm like, I'm fine.
Speaker 1: She hated me in the beginning of this she hated me.
Speaker 1: Now I'm on am I on top ten at least
Speaker 1: now you're in there. Hi Kim, Hi guys, Hi Kim.
Speaker 1: For everyone doesn't know Michelle's sister, Kim is on the
Speaker 1: zoom Yessa. Sorry, my sister and Jay were Me and Hugh.
Speaker 1: I would never do that. Oh I love this podcast,
Speaker 1: but I love Kim. This is literally why every single
Speaker 1: challenger that's ever met Kim is like, hey, can we
Speaker 1: just switch Kim from Michelle? Kyle, Kyl and I, Kyle
Speaker 1: and I had a whole conversation about how much we
Speaker 1: love Kim, didn't Michelle? I love you and I love
Speaker 1: you too. I need therapy. I need therapy after this episode,
Speaker 1: after this, after this podcast, after my sisters throwing me
Speaker 1: under the fucking but are you? This is why I
Speaker 1: wasn't a find good to see nut rivals. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe I'll start that therapy with day the after after podcast.
Speaker 1: Oh though, we need straight cash money take it all
Speaker 1: round me, my bill. Oh no, but I love you guys.
Speaker 1: Thank you guys for coming hang out with us. Right
Speaker 1: It's been such a fun episode. Thank you for rocking
Speaker 1: with us. Tell the people where they can find you
Speaker 1: in the social world of the media's of the world.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Michelle, Okay, you can find me on Instagram
Speaker 1: at miss underscore Fits. You can find me at Twitter
Speaker 1: as a niche fits, but don't tweet about me at
Speaker 1: this episode. If you have mean things to say, direct
Speaker 1: everything to Jay. You guys, if you want to say
Speaker 1: any meanshit or any nice shit, you can find me
Speaker 1: at jasarat dot com. You can find everything there for
Speaker 1: my stay local brand, to Instagram's twitters, whatever it is,
Speaker 1: just go to Jasara dot com. You find it all. Whoa,
Speaker 1: thank you, Thank you guys for having us. I appreciate
Speaker 1: it was great and I love that the tension has
Speaker 1: finally gone fu. Thank you guys. Appreciate it. Man. That
Speaker 1: was such a great interview that we had with Jay
Speaker 1: and Michelle. So many things were brought, so many problems
Speaker 1: were resolved. Dare I say they were resolved? It's okay
Speaker 1: until next season or at least the scut find you
Speaker 1: both in the corner. An to telling people where they
Speaker 1: can find you on the social immedia, Well, it's not
Speaker 1: gonna be a Twitter. That's day On's job. I hate
Speaker 1: it over there. It's just it's so negative. Um, but
Speaker 1: you can find me on Instagram at Anissa MTV. If
Speaker 1: I'm where can they find you? On Twitter? Y'all can
Speaker 1: find me any Twitter three at day day Von Underscore
Speaker 1: or you can find me on Instagram and Dayvione Diane Underscore.
Speaker 1: And until I get consistent with content, that is the
Speaker 1: only place that you can find me. At least you're
Speaker 1: being honest with the people they deserve. If I don't,
Speaker 1: they will drag me. They will well. But if you
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