WEBVTT - How Zero Works

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<v Speaker 1>It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff You Should Know?

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<v Speaker 1>From house stock Works dot Com. Hey, and welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, This Charles W. Chuck Bryant,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is a rare, unusual mathematical uh episode of

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<v Speaker 1>the Stuff you Should Know? Yes, And I'm just gonna

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<v Speaker 1>step out of the room and I'll be back in

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<v Speaker 1>what going to do this? This is not gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>another yo yo episode. I I just hate math. This

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<v Speaker 1>was this was This is not math heavy at all.

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<v Speaker 1>It's about the history of zero. It's about the weirdness

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<v Speaker 1>of zero, my hero zero exactly until you people counted

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<v Speaker 1>on their fingers and toes. I posted that to down Facebook.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what that is. The Schoolhouse rock. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. He Rosiero. I don't remember that one until

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<v Speaker 1>you came along. Keep going it on her fingers and those.

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<v Speaker 1>It's basically you would appreciate it because it sings what

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<v Speaker 1>you wrote. Oh, that's great in a much more basic way.

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<v Speaker 1>But basically trying to teach kids how amazing zero is

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<v Speaker 1>and don't discount it as just it's a number. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not the absence of something. Well, there's a lot, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch to it. It's many many things. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>multi faceted uh number, the multifaceted entity. Well, nol is

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<v Speaker 1>German for zero, did you know that? But kiss is

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<v Speaker 1>I believe Spanish for zero, zilch zilch is cajun. I

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<v Speaker 1>did actually get a little etymology research. Originally Sanskrit was sonya,

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<v Speaker 1>which meant empty. Then later arabrick was sepia or nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>Then Italian was the foh, and then finally French gave

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<v Speaker 1>us zero, right, and it wasn't you know we represent

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<v Speaker 1>zero as something that looks confusingly like an oh yeah right.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the Europeans who did that. Prior to that,

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<v Speaker 1>the Arabs and I believe the Indians too, um represented

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<v Speaker 1>zero with a heavy dot. You know where that might

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<v Speaker 1>have come from Robert Kaplan's book The Nothing That is

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<v Speaker 1>a Natural History of Zero. He speculates that the shape

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<v Speaker 1>comes from the round depression left in the sand a

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<v Speaker 1>sand counting board. Once you remove a stone from it,

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<v Speaker 1>sence would be a round thing. That's what he he thinks,

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<v Speaker 1>he speculates, But that wouldn't nevern't have been the Europeans

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<v Speaker 1>because the Europeans that came up with that. Well no,

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<v Speaker 1>but you said, uh, like a heavy dot. Yeah, a

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<v Speaker 1>heavy dot could be the depression where a stone was insane.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a good one. Who is that Robert Kaplan? Thanks?

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<v Speaker 1>Mr Kaplan? Um? Well, I guess I feel like we've

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<v Speaker 1>kind of done a pretty good set up here, Chuck.

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<v Speaker 1>I think so. Do We've talked about how zero is multifaceted, um,

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<v Speaker 1>and you we talked about the Arabs and the Indians, right, yeah, um,

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<v Speaker 1>and we have to go back even further. Two. First,

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<v Speaker 1>find when Zero made itself known to get the way

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<v Speaker 1>back machine. Let's I think, let's blow the dust off

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<v Speaker 1>of this thing that was right at you. I think

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<v Speaker 1>this thing still works. Let's find out you're ready. Yeah, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>look at their wow lit up like a flex capacitor. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>We're back in ancient Sumer and these baked clay tablets

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<v Speaker 1>haven't even been baked yet. It's still wet. Look, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>Jo was here? Cool? Um, so Chuck, if you'll look

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<v Speaker 1>at this clay tablet, do you see these two uh

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<v Speaker 1>diagonal lines, these little wedges, those, my friend, represent nothing

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<v Speaker 1>really and the reason they're there is because round about

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<v Speaker 1>this time somebody figured out they ran into a problem

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<v Speaker 1>and when they were making some sort of tax record

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<v Speaker 1>or grain inventory that um, you know, showing that basically

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<v Speaker 1>writing out three thousand lines there's a three thousand heads

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<v Speaker 1>of cattle doesn't make any sense. But let's say you

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<v Speaker 1>have UM three hundred. You have three thousand heads of cattle,

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<v Speaker 1>and all you have are the ways to represent three

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<v Speaker 1>hundred heads of cattle. There's a big difference, right, there's

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<v Speaker 1>an extra digit in there, and that those two diagonal

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<v Speaker 1>lines were used to represent one of those digits when

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<v Speaker 1>there was not any digits there. But there's something to

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<v Speaker 1>the left of it and something to the right of it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. And Kaplan also said that before that even

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<v Speaker 1>they just would leave a blank space, sometimes before they

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<v Speaker 1>even came up with the little wedges. So what what

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<v Speaker 1>this is all based on is basically our numerical system,

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<v Speaker 1>where if you look at a string of numbers right,

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<v Speaker 1>starting from the right, you have the ones column, the

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<v Speaker 1>tens column, the hundreds, the thousands, the ten thousands, the

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<v Speaker 1>hundred thousands, and so on. You want me to keep

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<v Speaker 1>going at infinitum um and in each of these columns,

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<v Speaker 1>there may or may not be numbers present. So when

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<v Speaker 1>there are numbers present, we have our friends zero to

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<v Speaker 1>serve as what's considered a placeholder. Yeah. Makes I mean

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<v Speaker 1>it's very easy to just say, well, the now, but

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<v Speaker 1>way back then before there was a zero that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we take it very much for granted. This is huge.

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<v Speaker 1>That's changed everything, changed everything, um, all of a sudden

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<v Speaker 1>now because I mean we said there's a big difference

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<v Speaker 1>between three thousand head of cattle and three hundred head

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<v Speaker 1>of cattle. And by putting a zero there right saying this,

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<v Speaker 1>this column is represented, there's just not any in here.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not gonna find the two cattle that should be

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<v Speaker 1>in this, right, that changed everything. They changed everything. It

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<v Speaker 1>made there was frustrating before that, Yeah, like if only

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<v Speaker 1>there was something to put there. Yeah. And I guess

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<v Speaker 1>when they like, just trust me, I have two thousand cattle.

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<v Speaker 1>And I guess when they left the blank space that

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<v Speaker 1>got confusing because they could have thought it was an error.

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<v Speaker 1>So they figured we have to put something there so

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<v Speaker 1>they know it's not just an oversight, right exactly. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's the diaging the lines well in this Uh, I

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<v Speaker 1>think before it even became that standardized. It was they

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<v Speaker 1>use different things because they found a tablet from seven

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<v Speaker 1>and a dude use three little hooks to represent zero. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>that would have been after that, because the Sumerians were

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<v Speaker 1>doing this like years ago. Well it's probably hard to

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<v Speaker 1>get the word around, right, you know, three hooks. What

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<v Speaker 1>is this crud? Exactly? Um, So the Sumerians of the

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<v Speaker 1>first documented to to come up or stumble upon zero

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<v Speaker 1>as a placeholder, and then it was codified with the

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<v Speaker 1>invention of the advocus, which uses you know, our numerical

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<v Speaker 1>column system like we used today, um, which was invented

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<v Speaker 1>by the Babylonians about three right, smart folks back then.

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<v Speaker 1>So we have zero as a placeholder. We have this

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<v Speaker 1>understanding now that there's there's something out there like we

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<v Speaker 1>can represent nothingness. But it wasn't until um, the fifth

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<v Speaker 1>century a d in India where zero first comes about

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<v Speaker 1>as a concept as a number, which is equally groundbreaking. Yeah. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>this nothingness, we should point out, was not something that

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<v Speaker 1>people were comfortable with back then. True, oddly now it

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<v Speaker 1>seems odd, but to have something represent nothing made people

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<v Speaker 1>very uncomfortable. It was associated with chaos in the Great

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<v Speaker 1>void and even the sign of the devil. Yes, it was. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean the if you look at the Christian theology, um,

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<v Speaker 1>the void, which is represented by zero or nothingness, was

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<v Speaker 1>the state of the universe before the creation of man.

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<v Speaker 1>Humans Uh seeks feel the same way too, although I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know how they felt about zero, but that was

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<v Speaker 1>there there. That's their conception as well. There was nothing,

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<v Speaker 1>there's void. Um. And then also void fits well with chaos,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the Christian conception of hell, like no one's

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<v Speaker 1>in charge. So yeah, it was avoided. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I went back and look, Chuck after I wrote this article. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>when we were studying today, I went back and looked,

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<v Speaker 1>and I didn't find a lot of support for that.

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<v Speaker 1>I did see that, like, um, the during the Dark Ages,

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<v Speaker 1>monks kind of were probably they feared zero. Well Kaplan

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned it in his books. But I mean, it was

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<v Speaker 1>out there, but there's no well these people did this.

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<v Speaker 1>They killed this guy for saying the word zero. There

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<v Speaker 1>was nothing like that out there. I think. More more

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<v Speaker 1>to the point, it was the Romans who just didn't

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<v Speaker 1>use zero. And the West was built by Rome and um,

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<v Speaker 1>that's I think where the shunning of zero came from

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<v Speaker 1>not necessarily from fear, but just because the Roman numeral

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<v Speaker 1>system doesn't have zero. Yeah. I found where they flirted

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<v Speaker 1>with it at first, with the nullah in U l

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<v Speaker 1>l A, which they would represent with a little N.

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<v Speaker 1>But it clearly didn't take no, and they said it

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<v Speaker 1>We're not gonna use it at zero. Why would we

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<v Speaker 1>ever need zero? We don't need it as zero? Right

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<v Speaker 1>Did they talk like that back then too? Yeah, like

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<v Speaker 1>Vinny from Brooklyn, Sure, I think so. Uh So, where

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<v Speaker 1>are we in India? Yeah, we're in the fifth century

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<v Speaker 1>a d in India and a guy named um Arita.

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<v Speaker 1>Arita is possibly the person who invented zero really possible

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<v Speaker 1>or discovered as you like to say, thank you, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you for correcting me with my own words. That's

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<v Speaker 1>weird when they are your articles. So um, it is

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<v Speaker 1>pretty pretty much universally accepted that zero was created or

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<v Speaker 1>discovered in India, and then it spread pretty quickly over

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<v Speaker 1>to uh Islamic nations, Arab nations, um and the It

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<v Speaker 1>was the Arabs who taught a guy named Fibonacci Leonardo Pizza,

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<v Speaker 1>who was a great mathematician of the West. In the

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<v Speaker 1>I think the twelfth century or the thirteenth century. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>people are gonna say, do the Fibonacci number. Well, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>people are gonna ask for that podcast. In fact, they've

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<v Speaker 1>already been asking for that podcast. Do you want to

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<v Speaker 1>do that one? Do you want to maybe? Probably not. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>Fibonacci was um the son of a customs officer in Algeria, Chuck,

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<v Speaker 1>and he had Arabic tutors and they said, hey, kid,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna teach you how to really do math. Because

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<v Speaker 1>by this time, by the I think the twelve hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>UM or the eleven hundreds of the talt century, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>the Arabs were very well versed in mathematics and the

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<v Speaker 1>West was still just complete idiots. Fortunately, Fibonacci was over

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<v Speaker 1>there getting tutored, and he figured out, wow, this is

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<v Speaker 1>really really important and introduced our Arabic numeral system which

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<v Speaker 1>we used today, uh, to the West through a book.

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<v Speaker 1>So you said he wrote a book. Did he write

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<v Speaker 1>the book? No, he wasn't the only one. Okay, no,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not true for the West. Yes, he wrote the book,

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<v Speaker 1>and then other people wrote treatises on his book. He

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much he was the the fulcrum, the hinge between

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<v Speaker 1>West and Middle East. Zero is a fulcrum, Yes, it

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<v Speaker 1>is um. So he was the one who introduced it

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<v Speaker 1>to the West. But again, I mean we say that

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<v Speaker 1>because we're Western writers, chuck. But it was very well

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<v Speaker 1>established for hundreds of years by the time Fibonacci heard

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<v Speaker 1>about zero yeah. And you also point out interestingly that

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<v Speaker 1>simultaneously and completely independently of India uh, in Central America,

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<v Speaker 1>the Maya were also uh beginning or already using zero

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<v Speaker 1>yeah to uh, mainly for their calendar, right, yeah, it

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<v Speaker 1>was there. It was the base of counting um, which

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<v Speaker 1>makes sense. It totally makes sense, and it makes for

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<v Speaker 1>a more accurate calendar. Right. So like for mine calendars,

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<v Speaker 1>like the day of the month would be zero day,

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<v Speaker 1>then one day, than two day, than three day and

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<v Speaker 1>so on. How would you say that though, because you

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<v Speaker 1>say first, second third, how would you say they had um?

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<v Speaker 1>They had different names for today, like Zula would be

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<v Speaker 1>zul or you know, mon or something like that. It

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<v Speaker 1>was like the rather than first, second third. They didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have numerals like that, right, like first, second third that's Arabic, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So to the Maya, it was like zul day, didn't

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<v Speaker 1>that Ghostbusters. I think so, but that was what Sumerian

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, zul was Sumerians all come together. Um. So

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<v Speaker 1>that does make for a lot more accurate counting UM.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's one of the big flaws in our calendar,

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<v Speaker 1>the Gregorian calendar, is that there is no zero year.

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<v Speaker 1>Well and we all got that pointed out to us

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<v Speaker 1>quite uh through the to the media, especially when the

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<v Speaker 1>millennium turned because there's no year zero. Our decades in

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<v Speaker 1>our centuries and our millennia um actually occur at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of that year and at the beginning, like when

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<v Speaker 1>the clock struck midnight at two thousand and we all went, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>new millennium, Not so, have we still had a year left?

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<v Speaker 1>Have we started counting from zero? Then? Yeah? In January first,

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand, that would have been the start of the

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<v Speaker 1>new millennium. But the the we started counting from one,

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<v Speaker 1>so one to two thousand nine years rather than two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand years. And there was one guy in every bar

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<v Speaker 1>trying to point out to as many people as he

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<v Speaker 1>could do you realize it's not even true, and he's like,

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<v Speaker 1>why isn't anyone buying me drinks? Why did are they

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<v Speaker 1>going to beat me up? Um. And I put a

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<v Speaker 1>little a little notation in there because I have trouble

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<v Speaker 1>wrapping my head around that sometimes. But the point is

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<v Speaker 1>there's ten single digit numbers in the Arabic numerical system

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<v Speaker 1>that we use, and it's zero through nine. Anything beyond

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<v Speaker 1>that isn't in the tens column er above, and thanks

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<v Speaker 1>to zero, we have a ten column exactly. Take it,

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<v Speaker 1>chuck uh. Well, Western astronomers they came up with a

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<v Speaker 1>system late seventeenth and early eighteenth century that designated calendar

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<v Speaker 1>year one b C is zero and then basically anything

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<v Speaker 1>above or below that would either be plus or minus.

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<v Speaker 1>So a B C or a D. Right, so uh

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<v Speaker 1>two a D would be minus one or no two

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<v Speaker 1>BC would be minus one BC. Yes, since we're not

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<v Speaker 1>living in a D, they just kind of screwed with

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<v Speaker 1>the BC a little bit. So right now we're in

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<v Speaker 1>plus two thousand twelve, yes, which also makes I mean

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<v Speaker 1>it's not just calendars. I mean zero lies between negative

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<v Speaker 1>one and one and serves as a fulcrum point for

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<v Speaker 1>basically all numbering, yeah, positive and negative. And that was

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<v Speaker 1>Jacques Cassini who came up with that um astronomical calendar.

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<v Speaker 1>What this Italians are all up on this stuff, weren't they. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's talk going to be French, but yeah it is

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<v Speaker 1>an Italian who knows, maybe northern Italian exactly. Um, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so they he basically said, well, wait, why don't we

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<v Speaker 1>just choose one year to be zero and then we'll

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<v Speaker 1>just basically make it. We'll make the calendar based on

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<v Speaker 1>zero's rightful place of numbering, which is precisely between one

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<v Speaker 1>and negative one. There's a zero there. It doesn't just

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<v Speaker 1>go from negative one to one. Zero is, like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>the full crumb of all numbers. It spreads out infinitely

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<v Speaker 1>on either side. So it's not positive and it's not negative.

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<v Speaker 1>And um, so it's the only number that is non

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<v Speaker 1>positive and non negative if but it's neither a positive

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<v Speaker 1>number nor a negative number. Wrap your head around that one. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you college students sitting around here at midnight, just gaze

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<v Speaker 1>up at the stars and try and figure that out.

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<v Speaker 1>Start counting, Start counting. It's also an integer, a whole number, right, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, it's very handy when it comes up to

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<v Speaker 1>ratios and fractions, because a fraction can be written in

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of ways, either with the one on top

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<v Speaker 1>of the other or with a little decimal point. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and without those zeros you wouldn't be able to do that. No,

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<v Speaker 1>So the decimal system, um, basically you can look at

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<v Speaker 1>it is anything to the right of the decimal So

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<v Speaker 1>the tens, the hundreds, the thousands, right, the ten hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>about thank you. Yeah, you're getting as bad as um

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<v Speaker 1>they those are all encapsulated in that zero that's up

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<v Speaker 1>to positive one, right, yeah, because it's less than a

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<v Speaker 1>whole one. But it's not so much that it's negative one, right,

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<v Speaker 1>it's encapsulated by that zero. So all of these ratios,

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<v Speaker 1>all of the decimal system gives us these incredibly precise numbers,

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<v Speaker 1>whereas we can count in whole numbers to the right

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<v Speaker 1>of zero and positive whole numbers. That just goes on

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<v Speaker 1>and on and on and measures the vastness of the universe.

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<v Speaker 1>To go the other way, to go into infinite decimal

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<v Speaker 1>system that's encapsulated within zero. Let you measure the infantismal right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's not like, oh it's between two and three, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, try making like high quality machine parts using

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<v Speaker 1>whole numbers. You can't know. It can't be done. So

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<v Speaker 1>there's all sorts of things that would have never taken

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<v Speaker 1>place had zero not given rise to the decimal system,

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<v Speaker 1>or everything would be really big, you know, everything would

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<v Speaker 1>be like twice as large, Like the ten thousand year

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<v Speaker 1>clock wouldn't even work. Remember they were using like fractions

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<v Speaker 1>of an inch that still wouldn't work. Um, what else, Chuck, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you point out, very astute lee some odd properties of

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<v Speaker 1>zero row and they are actually called the properties of zero,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's such a weird number that you have to

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<v Speaker 1>have properties to explain it exactly. So the which this

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<v Speaker 1>person called is the additive property of zero property. Add

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<v Speaker 1>zero to anything and you're gonna get that same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>This sounds very basic, same with subtracting. Sure, five plus

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<v Speaker 1>zeros five zero is five, right, and it is very basic.

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<v Speaker 1>But zero is the only number that doesn't affect another

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<v Speaker 1>number when it's added or subtracted to it, which is important.

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<v Speaker 1>It is any time a number is the only thing

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<v Speaker 1>of its kind, it's worth mentioning. Like pie. There's um,

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<v Speaker 1>which by the way, wouldn't exist without zero in the

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<v Speaker 1>decimal system, or any of those It wouldn't exist. To us, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>there's the additive inverse property of zero, where any numbers

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<v Speaker 1>that add up to zero are additive inverses of one another.

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<v Speaker 1>So negative five plus positive five, or just five as

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<v Speaker 1>they call it in positive land, equal zero. So negative

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<v Speaker 1>five and five are additive inverses of one another. Multiplying

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<v Speaker 1>from the time you're I think I learned in the

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<v Speaker 1>second grade my multiplication tables. I remember correctly. Ms. Anderson

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<v Speaker 1>and MS. Temple, Thank you very much. Uh. They taught

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<v Speaker 1>me that if you multiply any number by zero, you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to get zero. And as you point out, that

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<v Speaker 1>multiplication is really just a quicker way of adding things, shortcut. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a shortcut. So the idea that a number can

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<v Speaker 1>be added zero times uh, or that zero can be

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<v Speaker 1>added to itself, that's when I get the most. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just doesn't make any sense. Like you like, five

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<v Speaker 1>times zero doesn't mean zero plus zero. Plas zero place

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<v Speaker 1>zero place zero. That doesn't mean anything zero, right, what

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<v Speaker 1>about dividing by zero? Let me ask you. No, let

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<v Speaker 1>me ask you. This is the part where I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>nobody understands this. I don't feel very bad about this

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<v Speaker 1>because no one actually understands it. Um, there's no So

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<v Speaker 1>there's these other properties of zero that cover like additive

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<v Speaker 1>inverse edition and subtracting multiplication. There is no property that

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<v Speaker 1>says why you can't divide by zero because it's so

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<v Speaker 1>nonsensical it doesn't even exist. The concept of dividing by

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<v Speaker 1>zero doesn't really actually exist except in you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>imagination of people. I bet mathematicians have tried, though, like

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<v Speaker 1>frustratingly tried. You can't. There's nothing you can do, and

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<v Speaker 1>they don't even fully understand why. But the um. The

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<v Speaker 1>best explanation that I saw was that it has to

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<v Speaker 1>do kind of with the multiplication property, right to where

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<v Speaker 1>if you divide something, so like six divided by two

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<v Speaker 1>equals three. So if you can divide a number, um,

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<v Speaker 1>the result of that number by the divisor so in

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<v Speaker 1>this case, three and two multiplied by one another should

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<v Speaker 1>equal the dividend, which just six. Now, if you divide

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<v Speaker 1>six by zero, right, it doesn't equal anything. It should

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<v Speaker 1>equal zero if you multiply it, it's like an equal to. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the best example I could come up with. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that makes sense, so it shouldn't. Well, I mean, you're

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<v Speaker 1>completely insane. It makes sense that it doesn't make sense. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what I'm saying, and Stephen might had a joke.

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<v Speaker 1>He said that black holes are where God tried to

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<v Speaker 1>divide by zero. You like, that's good Stephen, right his Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I still did that his one bit. Sometimes when UM

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<v Speaker 1>people get in the car with me, I say, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>put your seat belt on. I want to try something.

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<v Speaker 1>That was one of his jokes. Nice, He's like, just

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<v Speaker 1>try that whenever someone gets in a car. He's good. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And then also there's the property of zero exponent, which

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<v Speaker 1>also doesn't make any sense. Chuck, there's UM. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's negative exponents, like numbers to the negative power tend

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<v Speaker 1>to the negative five because of this. Mathematically it works out,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't understand it. UM numbers to the zero

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<v Speaker 1>power equal one. That doesn't make any sense because zero

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<v Speaker 1>multiplied by something should equal zero, not one. That's how

0:22:12.000 --> 0:22:16.000
<v Speaker 1>it works out. Though it's a magical, mysterious number. At

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<v Speaker 1>my hero zero and I ran across one other thing

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<v Speaker 1>that I thought was pretty cool. UM. The The the

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<v Speaker 1>evidence of um Islamic countries comfort with zero concept and

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<v Speaker 1>Western countries discomfort with it, can be found still today

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<v Speaker 1>on elevators in countries where the Ottoman turks or UM

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<v Speaker 1>any other Islamic nation um conquered and ruled for a while,

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<v Speaker 1>you're still going to find evidence of a comfort with zero,

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<v Speaker 1>like in Hungary. If you look in Spain, I here too,

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<v Speaker 1>if you look on an elevator, the ground floor is zero.

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<v Speaker 1>In any floor beneath that is a negative number, really

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<v Speaker 1>like the basement parking, like negative one, negative two? Isn't

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<v Speaker 1>that cool? And apparently that's because of the presence of

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<v Speaker 1>the Turks who were there for a while. Wow, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean they didn't have elevators then, but apparently, like

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<v Speaker 1>the that's like, you don't see a floor zero in

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<v Speaker 1>the West, No, you don't. We just don't like zero

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<v Speaker 1>that much. Or a fourth thirteen right, although it is thirteen.

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<v Speaker 1>We've had that talk before. I think, yeah, what do

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<v Speaker 1>we have here? P one, P two in our building?

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<v Speaker 1>Definitely not negatives. Let's say that from now on, Like

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<v Speaker 1>what love you parked on? I'm on negative four, I

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<v Speaker 1>will say that what I will say that right now,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm on negative three. I'm on negative two. Go and

0:23:36.720 --> 0:23:41.480
<v Speaker 1>chuck um. And also, let's see you can type zero.

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<v Speaker 1>You got anything else? You're just happy to be done

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<v Speaker 1>with this one? No, this was actually really good. Um,

0:23:47.160 --> 0:23:49.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't know about that. Zero is my hero a

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<v Speaker 1>magic number. If you type in zero and this the

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<v Speaker 1>search bar how stuff works dot Com, it will bring

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<v Speaker 1>up this article, including a cool little story that we

0:23:58.720 --> 0:24:03.040
<v Speaker 1>didn't get to about a great parent. True. Uh. And

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<v Speaker 1>also I highly encourage if if this even piqued your

0:24:06.160 --> 0:24:08.959
<v Speaker 1>interest at all, I highly encourage you to read zero

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<v Speaker 1>in four Dimensions, which is an article you can find

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<v Speaker 1>online from two thousand to by a guy named Hassain Arsham,

0:24:15.480 --> 0:24:18.679
<v Speaker 1>and he explains in much greater depth in detail like

0:24:19.119 --> 0:24:21.959
<v Speaker 1>zero and what's so cool about it? Or if you

0:24:22.000 --> 0:24:24.720
<v Speaker 1>want to really get into it, Robert Kaplan wrote a

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<v Speaker 1>whole book on it. And I believe it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>the length of rope and a buttressed beme to hang

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<v Speaker 1>yourself at the at the end, we should do one

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<v Speaker 1>on three, all right. I pitched that article a long

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<v Speaker 1>time ago. A long time ago, remember on on three?

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<v Speaker 1>I remember, so those would be our two. No, I'd

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<v Speaker 1>have to write it now, so I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>it all ever happened, get to it. I wrote this

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<v Speaker 1>so we could do this. You're more of a man

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<v Speaker 1>than me, um, I think at some point in the

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<v Speaker 1>not too distant past. Check, I said, search bar. So

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<v Speaker 1>that means it's time for listener. Now hold on, Josh,

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<v Speaker 1>I think you have a quick announcement first, I do.

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<v Speaker 1>I psyched myself out. It's crazy, Um, Chuck. We're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be in Austin, Texas on March eleventh and twelveth

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<v Speaker 1>It's Sunday and Monday for south By Southwest Interactive. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to have our own panel. We're not even

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<v Speaker 1>on a panel talking with some other shmos about like

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<v Speaker 1>Mashable or Twitter the like. We are doing a live

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<v Speaker 1>podcast like we did last year. Remember the how UFOs

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<v Speaker 1>worked one, the really awkward, uncomfortable one. I started crying.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna do something like that. Um. And we don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what the topic is yet, but if you are

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<v Speaker 1>a badge holder for south By Southwest, come see us. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to be on Sunday, March eleventh at three

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<v Speaker 1>thirty hour long. We don't know where yet, but we

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<v Speaker 1>will announce maybe on the internet like Twitter or um

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<v Speaker 1>uh Facebook, and on the show. We'll find out soon.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure yeah um. And if you aren't a badge holder

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<v Speaker 1>at south By Southwest, but you like to go and

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<v Speaker 1>just kick around Austin. You'll be there on Monday. We're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna throw a party and we can't reveal really the

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<v Speaker 1>details of that yet, but I just know that we'll

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<v Speaker 1>be in town. We'll be doing cool stuff. Okay. I

0:26:08.880 --> 0:26:10.720
<v Speaker 1>think there will be live music. I think there will

0:26:10.760 --> 0:26:12.760
<v Speaker 1>be live comedy, and I think there will be some

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<v Speaker 1>other special treats, yes, like those like smarties. The roles

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<v Speaker 1>of Smarties. We may have those good. Uh they beat

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<v Speaker 1>the tar out of Neco wafers, don't they. Okay, well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's it for us making fun of old time and candy,

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<v Speaker 1>which means it's time for listener mail. Indeed, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>call this uh coffee including coffee song from a listener. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>this is from Ashley. Great work on the Coffee podcast, gents.

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<v Speaker 1>I could have saved my last four years of work

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<v Speaker 1>at a cafe just by listening to y'all. Really though,

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<v Speaker 1>it was a splendid way to spend my days getting

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<v Speaker 1>to know the locals in downtown Edmonton, Alberta, Canada, North America.

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<v Speaker 1>Or have we entered the song yet because he rhymed

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<v Speaker 1>a second again. No, that is not the song. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that's coming. Uh, she's just a rhymer by nature, I think.

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<v Speaker 1>While I can't say I'm a total coffee snobber expert,

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<v Speaker 1>I do have a thought on the old wise Starbucks

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<v Speaker 1>a bitter debate. I think that part of the taste

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<v Speaker 1>comes from the number of beans used in the blend.

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<v Speaker 1>For instance, at the cafe I used to run, we

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<v Speaker 1>served both Milano Coffee and then Umbria. I believe that

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<v Speaker 1>each of these companies, plus the coffee I now drink

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<v Speaker 1>called Intelligentsia, contains a blend of beans as many as

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen different kinds to create that smooth balance I really love.

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<v Speaker 1>In my americanos, it's her last name Starbuck. No no no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>she's saying Starbucks doesn't use the blend. It's more better.

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<v Speaker 1>Her name is mom and pop the last name. As

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<v Speaker 1>far as I understand, Starbucks may use this view as

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<v Speaker 1>one to three types of beans and their espresso blend.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I said, I think this may be a part

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<v Speaker 1>of the story, but not likely the whole story. On

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<v Speaker 1>another note, since leaving the cafe, I now work with

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<v Speaker 1>a group of software nerds who used to visit my

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<v Speaker 1>cafe on a regular basis, So now I too get

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<v Speaker 1>to go for coffee every day. It's one of the

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<v Speaker 1>parts of the job, pun intended. We have, uh, we

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<v Speaker 1>even have a little coffee song. And she recorded this

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<v Speaker 1>and sent it to us. So we're going to play

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<v Speaker 1>that right now. Coffee, coffee, coffee, coffee, all day long.

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<v Speaker 1>When I need some coffee, I sing the coffee song.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's the g rated version I learned. This is

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<v Speaker 1>the other version I learned a little bit later on.

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<v Speaker 1>It goes like this, coffee, coffee, coffee, coffee all day long.

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<v Speaker 1>If I don't give my coffee, I'll punched at in this.

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<v Speaker 1>So how about that, Josh, that was something else. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you Ashley for that. Yeah, thanks a lot, she says.

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<v Speaker 1>As you can tell, we're a bit mad about our

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<v Speaker 1>coffee drinking. It's the new smoke break for us. What, um,

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<v Speaker 1>where where where is that person? She didn't say, Oh no,

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<v Speaker 1>she did say, I'm sorry, Edmonton, Alberta. That's right, that's right. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you very much for that. We appreciate too, and um,

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<v Speaker 1>your co workers for making that song, for listening, for

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<v Speaker 1>drinking coffee, indeed, for caring. That's great. Yeah. Um, if

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<v Speaker 1>you have a song, Chuck, we get them from time

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<v Speaker 1>to time, and I feel like we should we should

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<v Speaker 1>be better about playing them. Yes, Uh, we want to

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<v Speaker 1>hear it. You can, I guess make it as like

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<v Speaker 1>an MP three MP four. MP three is good, right, Jerry,

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<v Speaker 1>MP three? Uh? And uh. You can send it to us.

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