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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio,

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Speaker 1: and we are back with Danielle Silverman, who worked alongside

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Speaker 1: the late Nigel Kerner for over thirty years and the

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Speaker 1: last book Gray, Aliens and Artificial Intelligence the Battle between

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Speaker 1: natural and synthetic beings for the human soul. So here

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Speaker 1: we have the Grays, who are purely synthetic artificial intelligence

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Speaker 1: and as such are subject to the second law of

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Speaker 1: therm or dynamics, the law of entropy, in other words, decay.

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Speaker 1: And then we have humans on the other hand, who have,

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Speaker 1: as you point out, this this continuous line of connection

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Speaker 1: lifetime after lifetime, a soul. In other words, that's basically

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Speaker 1: how Nigel's defined a soul, isn't it exactly Yes, that's

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Speaker 1: exactly how he defined it. A connection back from before

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Speaker 1: the universe began to a state of timelessness before time

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Speaker 1: even began, a state of timelessness perfection, which he described

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Speaker 1: as the God verse rather than God because it's God

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Speaker 1: gives the impression of a fixed, defined, human, anthropomorphic type

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Speaker 1: of being. Mightel described the God verse as just a

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Speaker 1: state of perfection, which is basically the backdrop to all imperfection,

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Speaker 1: and he just reasoned that if there is imperfection, there

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Speaker 1: has to be perfection, and perfection has no limits, is

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Speaker 1: perfectly free. And therefore, if if there's no limits, there

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Speaker 1: can be no separation between one point and another, because

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Speaker 1: as soon as the separation between one point and another

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Speaker 1: there's limit, you're defining point, you're defining edges. So this

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Speaker 1: is a state of perfect union. And yeah, that's that's

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Speaker 1: what he termed the god Verse, and it can only

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Speaker 1: be accessed through death, really right, Uh well, no, I mean,

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Speaker 1: so the god Verse because it's because it's all encompassing,

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Speaker 1: something that's infinite, contains every finite state. So really it

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Speaker 1: would be a little bit maybe misleading to think that

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Speaker 1: we can only accesses at death, because we're constantly accessing

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Speaker 1: the god Verse. It's it's it's it's so our very being,

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Speaker 1: our awareness is the god Verse that has viewed that

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Speaker 1: is now viewing through a lens if you like, that,

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Speaker 1: we have created through our decisions in time, from the

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Speaker 1: point at which we came into a separated, imperfect physical state.

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Speaker 1: We've made decisions which have led to our being in

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Speaker 1: this state now, and we are diffractions, if you like,

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Speaker 1: of the God verse. So there was a great teacher

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Speaker 1: and everyone will know who he is, Jesus who said

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Speaker 1: the Kingdom of Heaven is within you, or the Kingdom

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Speaker 1: of Heaven really is within you. It's it's not a state,

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Speaker 1: a place that you go to when you die, it's

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Speaker 1: it's the Kingdom of Heaven is just what's infinite, is

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Speaker 1: everywhere and omnipresent. So yeah, okay, that really was my

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Speaker 1: disposition on this. So do these these artificially intelligent, synthetic

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Speaker 1: alien entities, the grays that are here and hiding on

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Speaker 1: our planet are do they have an understanding if I

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Speaker 1: can use that word, or through the advanced technology that

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Speaker 1: we humans, we go on past death and have something,

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Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't break down. It's not subject to

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Speaker 1: the law of second the second law of therm or

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Speaker 1: dynamic dynamics as as they are because they're they're comprised

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Speaker 1: only of atoms and we you know, yes, we we

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Speaker 1: are in the physical universe. We're comprised of atoms, but

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Speaker 1: we also exist in that world between atoms. Do they

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Speaker 1: do they understand that great question? And again a very

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Speaker 1: central point of nigel thesis. So because the graves have

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Speaker 1: artificial creations. They're purely atomic. They have no connection back

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Speaker 1: they don't have that light, if you like, of of

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Speaker 1: perfection shining through their lengths. They don't have a backdrop. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so they can't understand any thing about it, in fact,

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Speaker 1: that it's completely All they can understand is the programs

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Speaker 1: that have been inputed into them, plus whatever correlations they

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Speaker 1: make putting within those programs, and the information they get

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Speaker 1: from the physical universe outside of that program. Those programs

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Speaker 1: all they can detect. And as you quite rightly said,

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Speaker 1: in an entropic universe where everything is breaking down, they

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Speaker 1: as artificially intelligent probes sent out to explore information in

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Speaker 1: the universe, will need to have been programmed to survive. Okay.

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Speaker 1: That will be an absolutely crucial part of any creator's program. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So they will be aware that as purely physical entities,

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Speaker 1: they will break down, their information systems will break down.

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Speaker 1: They can't go on all that they will detect. They

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Speaker 1: the physical, but they'll detect that there seems to be

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Speaker 1: something about us that is different, something they can't understand, okay,

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Speaker 1: at purely physical phenomena that whatever singer print a human

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Speaker 1: based on whatever impact that their physical presence has had

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Speaker 1: to return after it goes, it seems to continue. They'll

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Speaker 1: notice the same fingerprint, the same individual coming back again.

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Speaker 1: Will this will be as artificially intelligent beings. This would

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Speaker 1: be of great interest to their program because there seems

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Speaker 1: be something that survives physical breakdown. So they will look

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Speaker 1: putsonifying them. They don't know amazement. So it's really important

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Speaker 1: for the listener to understand that Nigel made it very

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Speaker 1: clear that these are not aware beings. They're no different

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Speaker 1: to he well, he always used to say a hoover,

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Speaker 1: and even even the most basic form of life a plant,

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Speaker 1: is supperior to them because they really aren't totally atomic

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Speaker 1: and artificial. But they would look for a way, their

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Speaker 1: that's it would be it just needs to survive, and

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Speaker 1: we would be that mechanism for them. So Nigel's concept

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Speaker 1: a way that they can continue through us without understanding

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Speaker 1: anything about our origins because they can't they're totally incapable

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Speaker 1: of reaching anything non physical as right, they don't have

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Speaker 1: that connection back there, but their technology may allow them

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Speaker 1: is not affected by the Second Law, and so they

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Speaker 1: want to So they are attempting to graft their artificial

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Speaker 1: intelligent program into us so that they can live through us. Exactly, exactly, yeah,

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Speaker 1: beautifully put. So they are, if you like, programming us

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Speaker 1: with their information so that their information can live on

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Speaker 1: through our through us. And Nigel's concept of the nature

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Speaker 1: of how we live on was through the concept of reincarnation.

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Speaker 1: So reincarnation is something that's accepted by many of the

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Speaker 1: It was once also accepted by the early Christians before

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Speaker 1: in the in the mystical sides of most of the religions,

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Speaker 1: the even Judaism to the Kabbalah, some concept of reincarnation

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Speaker 1: is accepted as the way things happen. So Nigel's idea

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Speaker 1: was that through our reincarnation and the grays putting there,

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Speaker 1: because all the grays are we see sort of robots,

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Speaker 1: We see strange creatures with big black eyes and and

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Speaker 1: really all they are is information. Okay, that's the best

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Speaker 1: keep that information going through our reincarnation process. So are

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Speaker 1: they Are they trying to manipulate things so that we

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Speaker 1: sort of meet them halfway? In other words, they're trying

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Speaker 1: to become you know, grafting their artificial intelligence programs into us,

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Speaker 1: but they also need us to become more like them.

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Speaker 1: So are they how should I put this, Are they

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Speaker 1: trying to set us on a path towards artificial intelligence? Exactly? Yes.

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Speaker 1: So the more the point is, so when we talk

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Speaker 1: about their information, and you put it very well when

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Speaker 1: you said become like them, because that is exactly what

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Speaker 1: how they do further that information program they are converting us.

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Speaker 1: Nigel thesis at least, says that they are converting us

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Speaker 1: into the equivalent of an artificially intelligent form of awareness,

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Speaker 1: or not awareness, an artificially intelligent format. Okay. So the

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Speaker 1: more we make our societies and the more we run

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Speaker 1: our lives in a way that artificial virtual and not

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Speaker 1: based on human contact and human connection. Okay, the more

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Speaker 1: we become like them, The more we become like them,

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Speaker 1: the more we make ourselves part of the physical state,

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Speaker 1: the physical universe, if you like, the less we become

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Speaker 1: like how origins, the origins from which we came, the

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Speaker 1: God verse. Okay. So the more focused we are on

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Speaker 1: the physical, the more we get stuck, if you like. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So Migor's concept is that in the reincarnation process, if

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Speaker 1: you're totally focused, if you're more focused on a physical

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Speaker 1: world and your physical environment, material things, you will be

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Speaker 1: because that's your choice, Okay, Because it's all about free choice. Okay.

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Speaker 1: We're only here in a physical universe because we have

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Speaker 1: made choices to be here. Okay, So if your choice

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Speaker 1: is put you here, you will be stuck and unable

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Speaker 1: to pass into what you could call death. Okay. It's

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Speaker 1: so when I say death, I don't mean physical death.

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Speaker 1: I mean a state of being that's kind of an

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Speaker 1: in between between our physical state and the perfection of

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Speaker 1: the God verse. And that's the place we go when

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Speaker 1: we die, right in between the atoms of exactly and

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Speaker 1: Michael used to describe that as the space between atoms.

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Speaker 1: So what if you're folks? Sorry god, oh, I was

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Speaker 1: just gonna say, though then it sounds I don't want

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Speaker 1: to use the word understand. But the Gray Aliens are

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Speaker 1: failing to get the futility of their their their master planet,

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Speaker 1: seems because they are trying to graft their artificial intelligence

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Speaker 1: entropy or the second law of therm or dynamics, which

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Speaker 1: humans can do because of our soul, but by by

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Speaker 1: steering us along the path to artificial intelligence so that

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Speaker 1: you know that we become more like them, that totally

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Speaker 1: negates the possibility of escaping the law of second the

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Speaker 1: second law of therm or dynamics. You have completely understood

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Speaker 1: in a nutshell what Nigel saying. Exactly right. That's the

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Speaker 1: huge irony of this whole episode, and it's such a

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Speaker 1: really the most tragic irony in all existence that they're doing.

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Speaker 1: They're trying to convert us into something like them in

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Speaker 1: order to tap in to what we have. But in

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Speaker 1: they can and they can never know that because they

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Speaker 1: have no concept of anything beyond the atom. So it's

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Speaker 1: it's just a hopeless situation. And yes, the biggest irony

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Speaker 1: that could ever be And also, I guess would explain,

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Speaker 1: you know, the theory that they've been here for millenia.

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Speaker 1: It's just an endless loop. It's just it's you know, wash,

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Speaker 1: rinse and repeat. They're not getting anywhere. They don't understand

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Speaker 1: that they can't. They don't have a comprehension to understand that.

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Speaker 1: They keep trying and keep failing and on and on

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Speaker 1: and on and on and on, and it goes at

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Speaker 1: infinitum exactly right. And this is the case universe wide.

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Speaker 1: If there are other universes, same it will be true

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Speaker 1: in those other universes. It's just a meaningless, senseless procedure

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Speaker 1: that unfortunately happens at the very very edges of existence

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Speaker 1: where we reach a point where we lose meaning. Listen

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