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Speaker 1: Music Saved Me.

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Speaker 2: I'm Len Hoffman and welcome to the Music Save Me Podcast.

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Speaker 2: I'm so excited to tell you that I also host

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Speaker 2: another podcast called Comedy Save Me and if you'd like

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Speaker 2: to check that out. Where wherever you get your podcasts

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Speaker 2: and Buzznight Media Productions is where I am birthed from.

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Speaker 2: And there's also a few other really cool podcasts from

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Speaker 2: that called Taking a Walk and Taking a Walk Nashville.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not going to let the cat out of

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Speaker 2: the bag, but there is a new podcast in.

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Speaker 1: The Birthing Canal.

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Speaker 2: It's not a little too descriptive, I'm sorry anyway, Welcome

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Speaker 2: to the Music Save Me Podcast. I'm so excited about

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Speaker 2: my guest today. She has built a career at the

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Speaker 2: intersection of music science and human behavior, and today's guest

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Speaker 2: has turned that into a mission to help people work better,

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Speaker 2: feel better, connect more deeply with one another.

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Speaker 1: Sounds like a good plan, doesn't it.

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Speaker 2: DJ Hesta Prinne is a musician, a speaker, a keynote

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Speaker 2: artists who brings neuroscience into the room in a way

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Speaker 2: that's anything but a lecture.

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Speaker 1: She's so amazing.

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Speaker 2: Her sessions use music as a living laboratory so genius.

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Speaker 2: She shows teams and organizations how sound and rhythm and

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Speaker 2: written words, shared experiences can actually rewire the way that

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Speaker 2: we think and relate to one another. She's helped companies

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Speaker 2: unlock creativity, break through the walls that hold people.

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Speaker 1: Back, and there's plenty of them, especially these days.

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Speaker 2: And she's really built the kind of real human connection

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Speaker 2: that doesn't come from just a random team building exercise.

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Speaker 2: And she's not just talking about it, she's podcasting about

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Speaker 2: it too. Her podcast is called Music Is Therapy. See

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Speaker 2: the Connection here, and she goes real deep on the

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Speaker 2: healing power of sound, one song and one story at

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Speaker 2: a time. But before the keynotes and all the science

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Speaker 2: and the podcast, there was a song. There was music

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Speaker 2: that really meant something. Also, I believe she was starting

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Speaker 2: a budding career in the music industry and pretty much

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Speaker 2: knows everybody, which is just an amazing thing. I hope

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Speaker 2: we get to get into that too. Her name is

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Speaker 2: DJ hester Print and she is next right here on

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Speaker 2: Music Save Me, Don't Move.

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Speaker 1: You're not going to want to miss this.

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Speaker 2: She's really high energy and you're going to feel so

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Speaker 2: inspired by the end of this.

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Speaker 1: I promise.

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Speaker 3: Music saved me, Hesta.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to music, save me.

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Speaker 2: I'm so excited to be and I'm also simultaneously on

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Speaker 2: your show.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Welcome to Music is therapy. We're so excited to

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Speaker 3: have you here.

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Speaker 2: I'm so happy to be here. I really need to

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Speaker 2: know in the beginning. First you got to take us

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Speaker 2: back to that sort of first memory that you have

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Speaker 2: of music and meaning something to you, like really not

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Speaker 2: just performing it, but really feeling it. Can you share

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Speaker 2: that a little bit with us.

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Speaker 3: A first memory of music meaning something to me? Yes,

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Speaker 3: the first memories I have of music are all in

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Speaker 3: the back seat of my parents car. I bet I'm

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Speaker 3: not alone in that, right, No, I bet a lot

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Speaker 3: of people feel that way. But I don't know if

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Speaker 3: it's meaning as much as it's as it's feeling. So

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Speaker 3: much so I'd say almost all, if not all, of

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Speaker 3: my memories of being young, I mean five years old young,

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Speaker 3: are sitting in the back of the car, and I

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Speaker 3: remember where I was listening to Mino Richie dancing on

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Speaker 3: Let's Hear It for the Boy, which was my very

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Speaker 3: first favorite song.

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Speaker 1: Wait, can we just stop right there?

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Speaker 2: I performed Let's Hear It for the boys in junior

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Speaker 2: high school on stage, first time I ever did anything

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Speaker 2: on stage like like that. That was that was my song?

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Speaker 3: Is that true?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 2: And everything I learned was from the back of my parents'

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the album's in the house.

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Speaker 3: For me, there wasn't a lot of music in the house.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's so interesting. My parents were not I mean,

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Speaker 3: I'm such a music head and my parents were not

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Speaker 3: My dad is this like very you know, conservative, kind

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Speaker 3: But I remember just really the radio really raised me,

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Speaker 3: as it did for so many of us. I interviewed

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Speaker 3: I'm just like John. You must know that my very

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Speaker 3: first memory is sitting in the back of the car

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Speaker 3: hearing out of Touch. And I know who he wrote

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Speaker 3: the song about because I read I read the book

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Speaker 3: and all the things. But we become so connected, our

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Speaker 3: lives become so connected to these soundtracks. For those of

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Speaker 3: us who love music, that the song can bring you

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Speaker 3: right back there. I mean, I said the words out

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Speaker 3: of Touch, and I hear the chorus in my head

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Speaker 3: when I say it, and I am that five year

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Speaker 3: the same questions, you know, just like that, without without

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Speaker 3: you taking me, without you setting the stage, the song

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Speaker 3: brings me right back there. I assume you're the same way.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, are you?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, private eyes, they're watching you, watching you. I

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Speaker 2: can't even see when you when you said that. I

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Speaker 2: can see where I was when I first heard it,

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Speaker 2: and I was like driving by the McDonald's. I can't

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Speaker 2: I just remember hearing that song the first time and

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Speaker 2: seeing the road as we were driving by. I just

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Speaker 2: see that it's Yes, it's like imprinted in my head totally.

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Speaker 3: I remember listening to take on Me and it's I

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Speaker 3: take on Me. I love that. You know, I'm a

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Speaker 3: Your intro is amazing, But first and foremost of the DJ.

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Speaker 3: You know, I've been a vinyl DJ tour with the

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Speaker 3: my bread and butter. And I played take on Me.

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Speaker 3: I'll play it with like Harry Styles as it was,

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Speaker 3: it got me thinking about death at an early age

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Speaker 3: me ask questions that like my parents would never talk

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Speaker 3: I mean? Like it opened up parts of my consciousness

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Speaker 3: I think so many people do.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, yes, absolutely.

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Speaker 2: I mean in New York minute and you don't know

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Speaker 2: what they're singing about, but you know it's deep.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's it's like ahead of you.

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Speaker 3: It's ahead of you. Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 3: The other sort of earliest musical memories, which aren't really

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Speaker 3: I grew up in New York. I grew up right

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Speaker 3: of course called Hot ninety seven. Oh and so that's

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Speaker 3: so right. And so back in the nineties, which was

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Speaker 3: you know it funk flex and you know, it's like

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Speaker 3: the sounds. Djmis to see all these guys that I

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna go see Large Professor DJ tonight. But these

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Speaker 5: there was this world in New York City where these

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Speaker 1: I'm like, Ben, it might not have been.

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Speaker 3: You might have invented it as a job, but I didn't.

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Speaker 3: I started this band with my girlfriends called Northern State.

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Speaker 3: and it was a girl hip hop group. It was

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Speaker 3: a girl Beastie Boys, and we started it because we

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Speaker 2: It's most important that whatever I do be helpful to others,

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Speaker 3: all my gigs on my DJ gigs. When you lose

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00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:32,639
Speaker 3: DJ gigs, you know it's not like there's no you know,

440
00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:36,080
Speaker 3: there was no kill fee unemployment, you know whatever. It

441
00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:40,080
Speaker 3: was like force major, You're done, and it was incredibly overwhelming.

442
00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:42,120
Speaker 3: And as for many of us, you know, we left

443
00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:44,520
Speaker 3: the city. I moved in with my in law's basement

444
00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:46,800
Speaker 3: on Long Island, which is about as like gruesome as

445
00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,000
Speaker 3: it gets. I'm like, girl, it was bad. And so

446
00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,960
Speaker 3: my husband was really pushing me to dj on Instagram

447
00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,879
Speaker 3: and I didn't want to do that because de Nice

448
00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:57,679
Speaker 3: was doing those incredible sets in Questla and Diplo, and

449
00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:01,280
Speaker 3: I was like so depressed, and he really pushed me,

450
00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:03,040
Speaker 3: and we built a studio just like this with these

451
00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,080
Speaker 3: same posters. This is this is when like the same

452
00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:07,880
Speaker 3: poster book and built a studio in his parents' basement

453
00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:10,640
Speaker 3: and I would DJ, had my vinyl and I would

454
00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:12,880
Speaker 3: DJ and I would like I called it indoor recess

455
00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:14,639
Speaker 3: because I did it for thirty minutes a day in

456
00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:16,639
Speaker 3: the middle of the afternoon while I was homeschooling my

457
00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:19,640
Speaker 3: daughter who was in kindergarten, and I would like read

458
00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,000
Speaker 3: the room but there was no room to read, and

459
00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:25,040
Speaker 3: I was on Instagram and nobody watched me. But I

460
00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:26,680
Speaker 3: would kept showing off and I would put on these

461
00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:28,679
Speaker 3: like costumes I've had all my mother in law has

462
00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:30,600
Speaker 3: all this eighties clothes in her basement, like a fur

463
00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:32,760
Speaker 3: code or like a crazy high put on these costumes.

464
00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:34,720
Speaker 3: So I would show up. And when I started doing

465
00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:37,640
Speaker 3: instead was I would take my records. It's I brought

466
00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:39,360
Speaker 3: all my records. When we left the city. I was like, oh,

467
00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:41,760
Speaker 3: I was like, this pandemic will be over in two weeks,

468
00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:43,200
Speaker 3: but I'm going to bring my records just in case,

469
00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:45,520
Speaker 3: just in case. So I would show a record and

470
00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,199
Speaker 3: explain why I loved it. I'd be like, this is

471
00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:50,600
Speaker 3: the new album from Dua Lipa. When I put this on,

472
00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:52,479
Speaker 3: this is what it makes me feel, and it reminds

473
00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:54,199
Speaker 3: me of X y Z. And I'd put it on,

474
00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:56,560
Speaker 3: I'd and I'd play and I'd dance to it, and

475
00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:58,840
Speaker 3: like you know, two or three people would watch. But

476
00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:02,159
Speaker 3: I kept showing up and every day I would do this,

477
00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:05,600
Speaker 3: and I started to go pretty deep as you can imagine.

478
00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:09,600
Speaker 3: I'm not afraid of doing. And people started watching, like

479
00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:13,000
Speaker 3: ten people, twenty one hundred people, one thousand people, and

480
00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,000
Speaker 3: it was on New York one, and people started to

481
00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:16,960
Speaker 3: write about it in the newspaper and it got a

482
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:20,679
Speaker 3: lot of attention, and I was on serious XM at

483
00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,840
Speaker 3: the time, and I was in graduate school virtually, and

484
00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,640
Speaker 3: I was talking about what I was doing, and why

485
00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:28,840
Speaker 3: do the songs do what you just said, Why does

486
00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,840
Speaker 3: the song remind you of the day and you were

487
00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,679
Speaker 3: in the car and driving past the McDonald's on this street.

488
00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,920
Speaker 3: Why why how come the song can tell you which

489
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:42,280
Speaker 3: McDonald's you saw? That's a question and I wanted to

490
00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:46,199
Speaker 3: mine that question because if the song can take you

491
00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:48,919
Speaker 3: somewhere else, it can take you into another scenario, it

492
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:52,000
Speaker 3: can take you into another feeling. That's a very, very

493
00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:56,680
Speaker 3: useful tool because therapy does that, but it takes hours

494
00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,720
Speaker 3: and months and weeks and years, but songs like that.

495
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,480
Speaker 3: And so through that experience of doing the indoor recess,

496
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,880
Speaker 3: I got myself to the next place. And no matter

497
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:08,040
Speaker 3: where I am in the world, like I'll go to

498
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,320
Speaker 3: France in this month and people someone will come up

499
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 3: to me and say, I watched you DJ in the basement.

500
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 3: I would lay in my bed and I'd watch you

501
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:14,679
Speaker 3: on my phone.

502
00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,399
Speaker 2: That must just blow you away when you hear that,

503
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:19,600
Speaker 2: especially when you're not even in America.

504
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:21,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was like the most meaningful thing I think

505
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,719
Speaker 3: probably I've ever done. And once I did that and

506
00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:26,760
Speaker 3: saw how much more affected, Like I love to like

507
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 3: rock a party whatever, you know, like let's go dance

508
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,880
Speaker 3: and have fun. But this was touching people, and people

509
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,240
Speaker 3: would email me. And now for my show, I tell

510
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,040
Speaker 3: people email me the song that reminds you of this

511
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,119
Speaker 3: or that or the other thing, Like people are so

512
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,480
Speaker 3: deeply connected to these songs and someone else.

513
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 1: You know.

514
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 3: What I'm so interested in about what you do is

515
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 3: that these folks write these songs for themselves or to

516
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,640
Speaker 3: process whatever they're dealing with, and it goes out into

517
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 3: the world and a thousand million billion people think this,

518
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,399
Speaker 3: you know, feel that the song is about them. I

519
00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 3: could make a list of songs that the biggest artists

520
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,040
Speaker 3: in the world have wrote written and tell you why

521
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:02,680
Speaker 3: they're about me, and you could do the same thing.

522
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's amazing.

523
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:07,399
Speaker 3: It is an amazing thing. Is there like a story

524
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,719
Speaker 3: that you think about, maybe still from one of your

525
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 3: interviews or someone who's come on your show and shared

526
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 3: something that that that that brings up for you at all, the.

527
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 1: Part about just remembering where you were or.

528
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, or the universality of is that a word universality

529
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 3: or universality of like, I know that's a good word

530
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 3: I just made up right now, universality, Universality. It's the

531
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 3: name of our sorority, the Universality of Like, I don't know,

532
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 3: like I know what an artists talking about why they

533
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 3: wrote a song that's like such a big it's such

534
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 3: a big song for so many people.

535
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:43,680
Speaker 2: You know, that's just such a loaded question. I've talked

536
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,200
Speaker 2: to so many people. I can't I'm like, my brain

537
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 2: is scrambled.

538
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 3: Maybe that's too specific of a question. I guess what

539
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,360
Speaker 3: I really want to ask you is like I want

540
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 3: to hear more. Is there a song?

541
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 1: You know?

542
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 3: I don't want to Every question I ask you is

543
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 3: like puts you on the spot, and you're the person

544
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 3: who asks the questions. But like, is there a song

545
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 3: or are there songs for you like that that helped

546
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,199
Speaker 3: that helped you work through something, or a song that

547
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 3: someone wrote that feels like it's about you and your life.

548
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, like, well, maybe not necessarily about me in my life,

549
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 2: but the one that keeps popping back up into my head.

550
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 2: And it was such an obscure song, but it was

551
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 2: Duran Duran Ordinary World, And I don't even know why

552
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:20,679
Speaker 2: or what it was about it, but it just just

553
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,160
Speaker 2: tugged at my heart strings. And whenever I played it,

554
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,920
Speaker 2: even though it seemed melancholy, it made me feel good

555
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 2: really and yeah, and it's sort of a go to.

556
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 3: For me.

557
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 1: But yeah, and like just wait, hold on, I wrote,

558
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:39,879
Speaker 1: I wrote a little list.

559
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 3: I loved through your list. I love that song. That's like,

560
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 3: I love that song so much. Oh yes, I love

561
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 3: I opened for Duran Duran last year. I got this

562
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 3: gig at Mohekan Son and Uh and we got to

563
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,440
Speaker 3: hear them. They were I couldn't believe how I mean

564
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 3: not that I couldn't believe it. They were. They're so

565
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 3: good on Fantastic.

566
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 1: I had to interview them one time.

567
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,640
Speaker 2: And when I finally got to enter them, we were

568
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,959
Speaker 2: doing this big concert and they were coming from the airport.

569
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 2: They were late, so they were listening to the radio

570
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 2: station and to kill time, I was going through their

571
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 2: trailer saying, okay, so these are the snacks they have,

572
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh, here's the toilet, flush the toilet,

573
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 2: and they heard the whole thing. So when they got there,

574
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 2: So cut to like all these years later, I'm hosting

575
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,400
Speaker 2: a show on A and E. It was called private sessions.

576
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,640
Speaker 2: I know it sounds like late night cinemax, but it

577
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:28,199
Speaker 2: was music performance. And I told Simon the story and

578
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,880
Speaker 2: he was like, Okay, are you happy now? And I'm

579
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,479
Speaker 2: like yeah, he goes get over it. It was like

580
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 2: I was so happy and he was basically saying, I'm

581
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 2: not anyone special.

582
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:39,360
Speaker 1: I'm doing this.

583
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 3: You know.

584
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 2: He just made me feel like, Okay, you're normal, You're not.

585
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,919
Speaker 2: This isn't I don't know, but let's see what.

586
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:48,880
Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you this when I met when

587
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 3: I met Simon backstage, you know, I got this gig.

588
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 3: They didn't choose me that, you know, somebody chose me

589
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 3: to open for this band. And I was backstage and

590
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 3: my husband was there and he had like his phone.

591
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 3: You know. I was like, I gotta go say hi.

592
00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 3: I'm such a big fan, such a big And I

593
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,640
Speaker 3: met sim in the and you know, I was like, Hi,

594
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 3: I'm DJ hester Print, I'm your opener and he's like,

595
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 3: what's your name? And I had it on my jacket

596
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 3: and I specifically wore the jacket with my name I

597
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 3: and I was like, I'm DJ has to Print and

598
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 3: I turned around and he was like, oh cool. And

599
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 3: he goes puts out his hand like this to shake

600
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 3: my hand, and he goes, I'm Charlie and I was like, what, Hi, Charlie.

601
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 3: I was like, it's okay, is this what are we doing?

602
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 3: And he said, you know, have fun, glad you're hair whatever.

603
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,439
Speaker 3: And I went back to the dressing room and I

604
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:32,640
Speaker 3: googled Simon Lebon go by the name Charlie and he does.

605
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 1: Get out of here.

606
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 3: I had no idea. I thought he was like fucking

607
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 3: with me.

608
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 1: I was Charlie and Labon.

609
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 3: I was like, you're not Charlie, You're I'm in the

610
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 3: Bama a singer for Duran Durant, and but he goes

611
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 3: by Charlie. That's his Maybe Simon's his stage jam. I

612
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:46,159
Speaker 3: don't know.

613
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, And are they not the tallest guys that you've

614
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:49,680
Speaker 1: ever met? Like most of them?

615
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:54,160
Speaker 3: Yes, And just like the styling, like they just look

616
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 3: like rock stars, like you open up the dictionary and

617
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 3: it's like rock stars and you're like, oh, it's Duran

618
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,439
Speaker 3: Durant from like last week. It's not. And you know,

619
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 3: like they look this way in real life.

620
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: I can't believe you got to open for them. That

621
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 1: is that's unbelievable.

622
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 3: I mean I just DJed a set for the audience

623
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 3: before they came. Oh that that's not like I, you know,

624
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 3: really opened for them, but I but I technically opened

625
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 3: for them.

626
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 2: Yeah you did, so let me let me read you

627
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 2: my list.

628
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 1: This is just really quick. Right before I got together

629
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:18,199
Speaker 1: with you.

630
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 2: Of course, run DMC self titled and a couple of

631
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 2: hard times rock box sucker MC. I couldn't get enough

632
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 2: of run DMC. Just could not turn it on the

633
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 2: loudest speakers. My boyfriend at the time had a subwaffer

634
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 2: and his carve you just.

635
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: Turn it off.

636
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 2: The whole block would be at the house, dancing Planet

637
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 2: Rock Africa, Bombada, You're My Inspirations Chicago, talking about taking

638
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 2: a left turn.

639
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 3: Me too, me too? Really me too? Really me too?

640
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 3: I like forgot though, I kind of forgot that was when.

641
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: That was my breakup song.

642
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 2: Like if I just broke up with my boyfriend, that

643
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 2: was the song, and I would just cry and cry

644
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 2: and cry and then I get it all out and

645
00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:58,120
Speaker 2: I'd feel better.

646
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 3: Yeah. When you listen to the song, now, to that

647
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 3: make you feel anything? Like? What does it make you feel?

648
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:02,199
Speaker 4: Well?

649
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 2: It makes me laugh that I was such a mess

650
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 2: over these idiots went back in the day in high school.

651
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 2: That got me so emotional that I let it bother me,

652
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 2: you know. But yeah, today it just well, it's very special.

653
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 2: I got to interview Chicago years ago and the whole band,

654
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 2: which was really cool, Such a nice group of guys,

655
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 2: and the guy who manages them. I mean, they've never

656
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 2: missed a gig fifty something years, they've never missed a

657
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 2: show ever. And the manager was just amazing and his

658
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 2: name escapes me right now, and I want to.

659
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: Give him a plug.

660
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 2: And what an amazing group of people. Actually, after I

661
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 2: interviewed them, about two weeks later, this is just an

662
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 2: aside because it just blows me away. This package showed

663
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 2: up at the TV station and they said, oh, Lynn,

664
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 2: this came here for you, and I said, okay, and

665
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 2: I opened it up and it was a letter and

666
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 2: it was a letter from Peter. His first name is

667
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 2: Peter so Tara, well not Peter so Tera, but he

668
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 2: was with us when I interviewed them anymore. But oh, Shiffarelli,

669
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 2: Peter Shiffarelli, Yes, thank you.

670
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Speaker 3: Oh that's the manager manager, Okay, got it.

671
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 2: He sent me a letter to thank me. For having

672
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 2: the band on the show, like I had anything to

673
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 2: do with booking.

674
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 3: A class act, super class act.

675
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 2: And then there was this little box, please accept this

676
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 2: token of our appreciation and please let us know if

677
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 2: you're ever going to do it was a diamond tennis bracelet.

678
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 3: Are you kidding me?

679
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: I'm not kidding you.

680
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm like, note to self book Chicago on my podcast.

681
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 2: And Peter, because I mean, what an amazing person. And

682
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 2: also then so we were invited to see them perform,

683
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 2: maybe it was even a couple of years later. And

684
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 2: I showed up and I went with my husband then

685
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 2: boyfriend at the time, and they wanted us to come

686
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 2: backstage and say hello, and and we went backstage and

687
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 2: Peter showed up to bring us back and he's like,

688
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 2: and he had his his either was I think it

689
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 2: was his wife. Yeah, hand me another package thank you

690
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 2: for coming to support And it was like a diamond necklace.

691
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 2: If you can have this checked, it's verifiable. And I'm like,

692
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 2: he didn't want my husband to think that he was

693
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 2: trying to make a play for me, you know, he

694
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 2: was just.

695
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 3: Casually buying you diamond new way do we think this

696
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 3: is like a money laundering sign.

697
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Speaker 2: I like, you know, Max, I'm thinking, is this going

698
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 2: to be like a documentary true crime thing later that

699
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 2: I've uncovered.

700
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Speaker 3: What I will say about Chicago. You know, Chicago has

701
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,239
Speaker 3: lived as a DJ right now, I'm being a real

702
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:21,959
Speaker 3: DJ when we talk about this, but like Chicago has

703
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 3: lived a million lives. Yes, Like their music is like

704
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 3: it is, so it is and in the dance world,

705
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 3: I mean, it was just sometimes it really blows my

706
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 3: mind and I'll get up up and I'll get up

707
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 3: on a soapbox and be like, you know, this is Chicago.

708
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 3: But I do love the eighty Chicago air supply journey moment.

709
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Speaker 3: You know, there was this great TV show that bridget

710
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 3: ever it did called Somebody Somewhere. Did you see that

711
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 3: show on HBO? And there was three Oh my god,

712
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 3: there were three seasons of the show was beautiful and

713
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 3: so nuanced and emotional and a lot of music. And

714
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 3: in the very first episode she's a powerhouse singer like

715
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 3: a Janis Joplin, and she sang making Love out of

716
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 3: nothing at all.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow.

718
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Speaker 3: And you know how that song the bridge of that

719
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 3: song every time, and I always think of all those

720
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 3: songs in the same category when I was in like

721
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 3: seventh grade that we used to listen to that and

722
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 3: Brian Adams like all this together, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah,

723
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 3: And it's such a specific like it must be because

724
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 3: of like the synth sound and the ballad like the

725
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 3: power ballad of the eighties meets like the synth you know,

726
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 3: but it was it's it's so beautiful, but it's very

727
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 3: and it's very funny in retrospect agreeing with you that,

728
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 3: like you're the inspiration is you know, it's such a

729
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 3: sappy it's such a super sappy.

730
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Speaker 1: Like Saturday in the park.

731
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 2: It's just simple and meaningless, but it's meaningful. Yeah, I

732
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 2: don't want to take away from it. But but yeah,

733
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 2: there's so much gosh, we could we could talk a

734
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 2: lot about this kind of stuff because.

735
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Speaker 3: Keep going, keep reading less, I'm wanna hear this. Oh

736
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 3: the list turning me on.

737
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Speaker 1: I have it right here, like I just put it away.

738
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Speaker 2: I just want to say that I feel and tell

739
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 2: me if I'm wrong or if you feel the same

740
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Speaker 2: way that although we're in the eighties where I was

741
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 2: talking about eighties music, seventies were the best decade for

742
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 2: music period and the reason why I feel that way,

743
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 2: even though I was like zero through ten in the seventies.

744
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 2: It was it was the artist in the studios looking

745
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 2: at each other, performing together, writing together, working together as

746
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Speaker 2: a team.

747
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Speaker 1: And that was actually that was my whole goal.

748
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Speaker 2: In life, was to just work in a creative team

749
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 2: to produce things that made people feel good about themselves.

750
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Speaker 1: Is that the weirdest thing.

751
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 3: The most beautiful thing. I didn't even know? And I

752
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 3: I think you and I? When is your birthday?

753
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: Are we thirty first?

754
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 3: Okay, mine's March twentieth. But I think that that's really profound.

755
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 3: I think it's really I relate to it, but I

756
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 3: have for me. Of course, I'm going to think the

757
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 3: best decade of music is the nineties because that's like

758
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 3: when I was a teenager. But my favorite band of

759
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 3: all time, and everyone who listens to my podcast Music

760
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 3: Is Therapy knows my favorite band is Led Zeppelin. Oh

761
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 3: I favorite that's right there. I mean, that's this. It

762
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 3: is in a box and the box is called the seventies,

763
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 3: Like do you know what I mean? Like it was

764
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 3: like ten years plus a couple on top, but like

765
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 3: it was ten years of this and so you know,

766
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 3: there's they just my husband bought me this book from

767
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 3: the Jimmy Page website, like the official you know, like

768
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 3: Jimmy Page Book of the Pictures. And I was so

769
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 3: happy he just bought this for me for Mother's days,

770
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 3: like happy Mother's Day. Here's a book from Jimmy Page.

771
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 3: Your a real husband. And I was like thank oh

772
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 3: my God. And I went and like locked myself in

773
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 3: a room and looked at it. And all the photographs

774
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 3: are of exactly what you just described. It's of them

775
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 3: recording all the music, the decade of music, and them

776
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 3: in the studio and looking at each other, and there's

777
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 3: like it's annotated. Is that the right word? But they

778
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 3: talk about the pictures and every single thing. You got

779
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 3: to look at it because maybe Peter will buy this

780
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 3: for you for a gift next time you have next

781
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 3: time you go to a Chicago Peter, are you listening, Hey,

782
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 3: Peter the book? But it's all that it's John Paul

783
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 3: Jones saying we had to go to the studio to

784
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 3: look at each other. And on stage we played in

785
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 3: a tight where always he said, you always will see

786
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:57,959
Speaker 3: led Zeppelin no matter how big the stage is, they

787
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 3: will play in a very small, tight little circle because

788
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:03,959
Speaker 3: they needed to be able to see each other and

789
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 3: feel the energy of each other, and they were so

790
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 3: improvisational and bounce off each other. So you know, I

791
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 3: certainly think you happen to be right. I don't know

792
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 3: that I can say the seventies is the best decade

793
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:13,280
Speaker 3: of music because I don't want to be a traitor

794
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 3: to my people. This is mental health Awareness Month. Yes,

795
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 3: that's why you are my guests. You know this month.

796
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,399
Speaker 3: I really wanted you on this month because you have

797
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 3: probably like the biggest mental music mental health show there is,

798
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 3: really I do. Oh yeah, I do not know how

799
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 3: well your show it does or I'm sure buzznos. I mean,

800
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 3: I'm sure he's got to tell you.

801
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 2: I don't pay attention to that stuff. I really don't,

802
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,919
Speaker 2: And I honestly I don't believe it. I really don't

803
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 2: believe it. But you said how you went back and

804
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 2: you kept going even though there was ten people and

805
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 2: then maybe twenty people, and you kept going back.

806
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: What made you keep going back to do.

807
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 3: It during the pandemic when I was like in a

808
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 3: deep I was in a deep hole. But also you know,

809
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 3: it made me feel good to do it. Yeah, I

810
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 3: really I never thought that anyone would. I wasn't doing

811
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,839
Speaker 3: it for anybody, but I certainly never thought anyone would

812
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 3: care about me talking about music.

813
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 2: I don't think Poe would care about anything I have

814
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 2: to say either. I've never understood why anyone listened to

815
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 2: me or cared what I had to say. It was

816
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 2: more I wanted them to tell their stories so that

817
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 2: we can enlighten others and learn from the experience. But

818
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,760
Speaker 2: I never thought what I had to say mattered.

819
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 3: Is that why do you think people it's not weird?

820
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 3: Why do you it's Why do you think people care

821
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 3: so much about your perspective? What is it about your

822
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 3: perspective that is garnering you? Maybe this type of audience support.

823
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 2: Realness, genuine like this is me, and I brought this

824
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 2: everywhere I've gone.

825
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 3: You know, I'm gonna ask you some questions, some questions

826
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 3: I'm gonna ask you guide me.

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Speaker 1: Please, what.

828
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 3: These are like? Mental health questions? Because you're talking to

829
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 3: do you consider your show a mental health show?

830
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: Well? Yeah, I mean yeah.

831
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 3: For me.

832
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Speaker 2: Every time I get off an interview, I feel so

833
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 2: amazing and so happy that I got to meet this

834
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,800
Speaker 2: incredible person who shares their art and helps other people

835
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 2: and learn and also realize that we're so much more

836
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 2: alike than we are different.

837
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Speaker 4: We'll be right back with more of the Music Save

838
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 4: Me podcast. Welcome back to the Music Saved Me Podcast.

839
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Speaker 2: Do you get to tell me what neuroscience that you

840
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 2: found about it that surprised you most, like one thing

841
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 2: that changed how you understood your own relationship with music.

842
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 3: My work is based on this idea. There's a like

843
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 3: a science statistic idea that you know what a neural

844
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,280
Speaker 3: pathway is. Right, you're hiking, You're hiking on a trail.

845
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 3: The trail is well worn, it's been hiked many times before.

846
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 3: You look off to the side and there's trails that

847
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 3: are like more overgrown that would take more effort to hike.

848
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 3: This is a metaphor for how your brain works. So

849
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 3: the more you think a thought or do a behavior,

850
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 3: the more define the clearer that neural pathway becomes, like

851
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 3: grooves in a record. And so this becomes what we

852
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 3: call your habits, your life, your reactions, and that's how

853
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 3: you go through the world. And so if you've ever

854
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 3: tried to change your life, if anyone listening has tried

855
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 3: to change your life, I don't need to tell you

856
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 3: because everyone already knows. It's really hard. It's so hard

857
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 3: because it actually takes four hundred repetitions of a new

858
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,240
Speaker 3: thought or behavior to create a new neural pathway.

859
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 1: Well, what's come again, Yeah.

860
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 3: Exactly, that's so many. And so if you want to

861
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 3: create a new gym routine, like a new fitness routine,

862
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 3: you need to think about it or take action four

863
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 3: hundred times before that becomes a habit, which is basically impossible.

864
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 3: And so most people they give up, they quit, and

865
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 3: then they tell a story. The prefrontal cortex, which is

866
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 3: the youngest, newest part of our brain in the front

867
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 3: right here where your forehead is. That's where languages, that's

868
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 3: where stories come from. Aside, A feeling is a sensation

869
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 3: in the body. I feel sad. You feel that in

870
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 3: your chest, you feel it in your stomach. Right, it's

871
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 3: not a story. It's not I feel like I should

872
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 3: have done No, it's a feeling. And then the prefundal cortex,

873
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 3: which is your behind your forehead, tells the story. The

874
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 3: body feels something in the prefrontal cortex says it's sad

875
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:12,240
Speaker 3: because this person left me. Okay, anyway, you quit changing

876
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 3: your life, and your prevntal cortex tells a story, and

877
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 3: the story sounds something like this. Maybe this will be

878
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 3: familiar to some of our listeners. I have no willpower.

879
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 3: My family is like XYZ, We're just big bones. I

880
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 3: can't meditate. This is just the way I am. You understand,

881
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 3: like we start to make these excuses, But the truth

882
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 3: is you just didn't know that it took four hundred repetitions.

883
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 3: And so what I discovered in neuroscience is a biohack.

884
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 3: The well I didn't discover this. The founders of play

885
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 3: based learning discovered this that if you pair a new

886
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 3: thought or behavior with play, it shortens the repetition time

887
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 3: from four hundred down to ten to twenty. Ooh okay,

888
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,760
Speaker 3: So instead of thinking about it four hundred times before

889
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 3: it becomes a habit, you can do it twenty times

890
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 3: and it becomes a habit. This is a huge, huge biohack.

891
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 3: And so my hypothesis and what I'm proving, what's going

892
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 3: to be my legacy work, is that for adults, play

893
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 3: means music and dancing. So if I can get you

894
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:18,879
Speaker 3: to connect something that you want, something that you are

895
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 3: working on, to a song, and you do it ten times,

896
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,320
Speaker 3: twenty times, and you build a neural pathway in your brain.

897
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 3: You can play the song and the song will do

898
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 3: the lifting for you, like Pavlov's dog. I'm going to

899
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 3: give you an example. I listen to a DJ called

900
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 3: dom Dala all the time. He's an Australian DJ, and

901
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,919
Speaker 3: I love him. He's playing a show in October here

902
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 3: I'm going to go. I would really like him to

903
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,399
Speaker 3: come on my show. If anyone is connected to dam Dalla,

904
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 3: I love you there, Damzala. So dam Dala has maybe well,

905
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:48,399
Speaker 3: of course, I mean that's the dream, that's the one

906
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 3: that I have on my list, my list and a manifest.

907
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 3: She'll be like, she'll be there. She'll be oh, thank

908
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 3: thank you, Lyn, that's really kind of you to say.

909
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 3: So I listened. Don Dala has about thirty maybe like

910
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 3: thirty records. He doesn't have a huge catalog, get maybe

911
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 3: not even that many, but about thirty records. I love

912
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 3: dam Dala. And I started lifting weights two summers ago,

913
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 3: right because I'm gonna I'm gonna get strong and not

914
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 3: get austeoporosis. Okay, started lifting weights two summers ago. And

915
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 3: I love dam Daala and So what I would do,

916
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 3: because I didn't like working out and I never have,

917
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 3: is that I would treat myself to dom Dala while

918
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,919
Speaker 3: I lifted weights. This became like a thing that I did,

919
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 3: and it occurred to me, you know, some weeks into

920
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 3: this process that here's where I could test my own hypothesis.

921
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 3: So now when I lift weights, I only listened to

922
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 3: dom Daala going on a year and a half, and

923
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 3: so it's dam dollar time I go. I go lift

924
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 3: the weights. And so when I hear dom Dalla now

925
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 3: out anywhere or in my life, at dom Dallas, what

926
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 3: is that? What happens? Does my blood start pumping, my

927
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 3: muscles start building? I know that when I hear dom Daala,

928
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:53,439
Speaker 3: I feel like working out. I know that to be true.

929
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:55,839
Speaker 3: If I hear you played right now saving up by

930
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 3: dam Dalla, I want to go run downstairs to the gym.

931
00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: You start doing push ups.

932
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have my program. I use the latter, that's

933
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 3: my program. I want to use my ladder program. And

934
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 3: so if I can do it with this, can I

935
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 3: take people through an experience, put them into a heightened

936
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 3: emotional state by playing the right song, by connecting them

937
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 3: to a win in their life so they're really energized,

938
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 3: and then have them envision what they want in an

939
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 3: area of their life, like working out what kind of

940
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 3: bodies you want, who do you want to what do

941
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 3: you want to look like in the bathing suit, or

942
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 3: what do you want your cholesterol tests, your test when

943
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 3: it comes back, what does it say? What does it say?

944
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,359
Speaker 3: What's the number? And I get people really hyped because

945
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 3: I love to do that anyway. And I play a

946
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 3: song and I say, this is the song. Every day

947
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 3: you're gonna think about You're gonna envision what that cholesterol

948
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 3: number looks like, and you're gonna listen to this song

949
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 3: and you're gonna know it to be true, and you're

950
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 3: gonna wire it into your brain. You're gonna do it

951
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 3: every fucking day, and you're gonna email me and tell

952
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 3: me how it goes. And what happens is the suggestion.

953
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,720
Speaker 3: And then the way that we can the mind body connection.

954
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 3: And we all know this. We all know this. When

955
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 3: you get embarrassed, you blush the body. The physical body

956
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:05,399
Speaker 3: responds to thoughts and feelings. And so if you are

957
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 3: hyped and excited and imagining your cholesterol numbers changing, and

958
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 3: I give you a tool that will wire it into

959
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,439
Speaker 3: your body and increase the energy. Are your cholesterol numbers

960
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 3: going to change? I think so, oh absolutely so. So

961
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 3: that's what is exciting about this.

962
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 2: To me, it's so exciting because it has such huge

963
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 2: applications like what you're talking about, and even beyond. I've

964
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 2: interviewed some people and now you're bringing thoughts back to

965
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 2: me about artists or I've talked to artists who are

966
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:39,720
Speaker 2: former military who had been shot or you know, injured

967
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 2: in a big way. There was one vet that told me,

968
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 2: at first, before he found music, he was shooting a

969
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 2: bow and arrow to try, you know, at a target,

970
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 2: to try to get his mind off of his PTSD,

971
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 2: and for like just those six minutes that he was

972
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 2: spending there, he didn't have any problems. But then when

973
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 2: he found music, it was like for those hours on

974
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 2: stage he had no problems. So to me, I'm like

975
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 2: meeting doctors who are putting music into applications that are

976
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 2: helping stroke victims walk again.

977
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, we see this with Alzheimer's patients. Yeah, we

978
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 3: see this with Parkinson's patients that they that they're you know,

979
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 3: we see this with folks with dementia that you play

980
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,439
Speaker 3: the song, you play the song of their youth, Yes,

981
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,280
Speaker 3: and they come to presence and they sing every word.

982
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 3: The music bypasses the prefrontal cortex, right, And so I'm

983
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 3: not an expert in every one of these conditions, but

984
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 3: these conditions affect certain parts of the brain. The music

985
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 3: hits you back here in the limbic system. It's like

986
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 3: when someone says your name and you turn around. You know,

987
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 3: your name is one of the only things that that

988
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,479
Speaker 3: bypasses the prefrontal cortex. It hits you in the limbic

989
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 3: syst and the amygdala. What you know, even if you're

990
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 3: pretending to be someone else. That's like a thing you

991
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 3: see in the movies sometimes, right, you say the person's

992
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 3: name and they turn around. And so the music has

993
00:43:56,120 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 3: a similar effect where it bypasses the story telling and

994
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 3: it goes to the feeling. And this is why when

995
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 3: you sing you're at a touch, I'm at a time whatever.

996
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 3: You are in the car going to the McDonald's and

997
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 3: you are actually there because the body body doesn't know

998
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 3: the difference chemically speaking about where you are. Body doesn't

999
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 3: have a you know, bodies not on the Gregorian calendar,

1000
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 3: you know what, So if you're talking about you know,

1001
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 3: if you're if you are hearing the song that feels

1002
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 3: like the heartbreak or the song that feels that feeling

1003
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 3: on stage where you connect with the audience, that feeling

1004
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 3: you were describing that you want everybody to feel once

1005
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 3: in their life. You can conjure and create a chemical

1006
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,760
Speaker 3: state of that feeling in the body, you know. Michael Phelps,

1007
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 3: great mental health advocate, Michael Phelps. You know Olympic swimmer.

1008
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 3: I remember when he sort of came on the scene

1009
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 3: and we would see him with the headphones on. Remember

1010
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,399
Speaker 3: that was issue. He's always going into the hot sub

1011
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 3: of the pool with the headphones on and he would

1012
00:44:56,360 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 3: listen to songs that are at the speed the bpms

1013
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 3: of the speed that he wanted his ideal heart rate

1014
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,399
Speaker 3: to be when he was racing. And so now there's

1015
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 3: science around this that you can athletes can listen to

1016
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 3: the song where the bpm is beating at the speed

1017
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 3: that you want your heart to beat when you're at

1018
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:21,760
Speaker 3: your optimum performance. So there's tools. There's emotional memory tools,

1019
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 3: there's taking the body from to time travel tools, there's

1020
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 3: physical you know, how does the body react chemically when

1021
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 3: I hear this song. People are doing it medicinally. People

1022
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 3: are doing it, you know, psychedelics and sound healing and

1023
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 3: all of this. Like, people are doing it in lots

1024
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 3: of different areas. And so the way I'm doing it

1025
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 3: is through pop records, recorded music, the songs of your youth.

1026
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 3: I'm doing it like a like a DJ would, And

1027
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 3: that's what I'm bringing. That's what the show's about, That's

1028
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 3: what my work is about. And so I'm I'm so

1029
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 3: excited about this, and it's just a matter of like,

1030
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 3: you know, I travel all over the world and I

1031
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 3: do these events, but how do I bring this idea

1032
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 3: to the person listening at home? And I guess, like

1033
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 3: it said, ahead.

1034
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 1: Do you do this?

1035
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 2: And you do this when you walk into a room

1036
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,720
Speaker 2: full of executives, for example, and you're going in there

1037
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 2: and maybe they're maybe skeptical. I'm sure you get a

1038
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 2: lot of people who are you know, we're going to

1039
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 2: use music to unlock creativity.

1040
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 1: What do you see on their faces?

1041
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 2: And what happens by the end, Like how is the

1042
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 2: progression from first the skepticism and then by the time

1043
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 2: you're ready to leave, they don't want you to leave

1044
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 2: or do they not want you to leave?

1045
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 3: They don't want me to leave? This is such a

1046
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 3: great question. You know, I just did an event in

1047
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 3: Stockholm for a like an a global marketer week for

1048
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 3: a big sort of like marketing not super buttoned up.

1049
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, cool marketing advertising type people. But

1050
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 3: everyone's in suits. It's a lot of men, you know,

1051
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 3: age forty plus. Certainly, it's not like a groovy group

1052
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 3: of people who are expecting this. And so what I like,

1053
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 3: you choose groovy, groovy, but they are actually very cool people, right,

1054
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 3: and so everybody loves music. And essentially, like when you

1055
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:05,320
Speaker 3: show up to any situation, you put on your like costume,

1056
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 3: like I'm gonna put on my my jacket and now

1057
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 3: I'm like an executive, Like okay, fine, but underneath your costume,

1058
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 3: you are a human being. And before you got here

1059
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 3: and you were fifty five years old, you were you

1060
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 3: were a seventeen year old boy in the suburbs and

1061
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 3: you were probably like smoking weed in somebody's car. I'm

1062
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 3: just reading, I'm just taking a guess. Yeah, And so

1063
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 3: as a DJ, I can read the room, and so

1064
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,320
Speaker 3: it's like I kind of I can make those general

1065
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 3: sort of assumptions of like, you know, the same way

1066
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 3: you walk into a club and you play a couple

1067
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 3: of records, you pull people out, but you have to

1068
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 3: make demographic assumptions based on how they're dressed and how

1069
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 3: old they are, what they look like, and who's here.

1070
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 3: So I can read the room of who these folks are,

1071
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 3: and I take them on a time travel. I take

1072
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 3: them out of and I talk it through. I verbalize,

1073
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 3: here's what work, Here's what I'm gonna do. I'm a

1074
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 3: licensed therapist. First of all, I'm not a DJ who

1075
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,879
Speaker 3: likes mental health. I'm a licensed clinical therapist, a license

1076
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 3: by the State of New York. Okay, so I'm not nobody.

1077
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 3: I also toured with All with the Roots, so I'm

1078
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:01,399
Speaker 3: fucking cool too.

1079
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: You get some street credit.

1080
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 3: I got some street credit, and I have that, and

1081
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 3: I have the state behind me too. So so what

1082
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:12,240
Speaker 3: I do is I show them. I give them it's experiential,

1083
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 3: so I talk them through, but I show them I'm

1084
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 3: gonna play this, who's your eyes? When you hear this?

1085
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 3: Where are you? And then I pick something that I

1086
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,399
Speaker 3: know is going to be provocative for them or evocative

1087
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 3: for them, and then I ask them the right question.

1088
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 3: Who here is in high school? Right now? Put your

1089
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 3: hand in the air like this may giggle and I say,

1090
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 3: or I'll say, you know, I'll play a certain song

1091
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 3: and I'll say who did you dance with? Who's your

1092
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 3: who's your girlfriend? Like, I'll do it for the women.

1093
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,879
Speaker 3: You know, who's your girlfriend? Who you dance this? Put

1094
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 3: your hand up, you have them. Now turn to the

1095
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 3: person next you say her name, and all the girls

1096
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 3: it's Tiffany, Sheila, what like every single person you would

1097
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 3: do it too. And so I show them how this works,

1098
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 3: and now I have them they believe me, and I'm like, great,

1099
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 3: you experienced it. Let me explain why that worked. Just

1100
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 3: like a DJ said, I got to play something you know,

1101
00:48:57,880 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 3: so that I can show you something that I know

1102
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 3: you're gonna love. But I can't play you something weird

1103
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 3: until you know that I know who you are, so

1104
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 3: you trust me. And then I take them to the

1105
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 3: future and I say, what do you want to change

1106
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 3: in your life? And nobody's an executive now, no one's

1107
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 3: in there. No one is an executive in the room.

1108
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 3: When we're at that point, we are humans.

1109
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 1: Okay, you're a therapist, and a hypnotist.

1110
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 3: It's yeah, and there's a lot of and you know,

1111
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 3: for some of these people, like not just because they're executives,

1112
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 3: because executives can be spiritual. But I'm sometimes like the

1113
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 3: first like sort of spiritual person that they've interacted with

1114
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 3: in public. And I'm not that woo woo. I'm not like,

1115
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:37,399
Speaker 3: I'm not the far out I'm not the most far

1116
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 3: out check in the room. I'm like a level one.

1117
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 3: But I'm showing them something about themselves that they've been

1118
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 3: doing forever. If I say I will survive, I will survive.

1119
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,320
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, you and your body, Your body

1120
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 3: knows what the feeling of that song is. Everyone who

1121
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 3: listens to this and here's me say I will survive,

1122
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 3: you know what that's going to feel like? You know? No, no,

1123
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 3: not I. And it's like we all have the ability

1124
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 3: to connect with ourselves, but we don't even sometimes we

1125
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 3: don't most some people don't even know that connecting with

1126
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 3: yourself is a thing that even happens. I didn't know

1127
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 3: that for a long time. I thought myself was the

1128
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 3: thoughts in my head, and all the thoughts in my

1129
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,320
Speaker 3: head told me that I wasn't successful enough, but I

1130
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 3: didn't know there was anything else.

1131
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: And looking inward is not something that people are used

1132
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: to doing.

1133
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 3: That's exactly right, that's exactly right to throw it to you.

1134
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 3: What I love about what you do is you ask

1135
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 3: people questions that they answer from here, from like the

1136
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:39,839
Speaker 3: heart and the chest and like not from the head.

1137
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 3: That's a even just the way you lit me up

1138
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 3: here just now, you see, you asked me something in

1139
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 3: some kind of way that you made me feel that

1140
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 3: I could be my real self and be proud of

1141
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 3: my work. And that's I was here like bullshitting with

1142
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 3: you for a long time until you did that. That

1143
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:58,839
Speaker 3: is so that is such a unique talent, Like that's

1144
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 3: the magic of what you hold. That's why people want

1145
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 3: to listen to you. Where does that come from?

1146
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. I really don't know. It's just who

1147
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:08,439
Speaker 1: I am.

1148
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:12,399
Speaker 2: I but listen tell us about music is therapy because

1149
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 2: I really need to know what made you want to

1150
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 2: start it. You may have already answered the question, but

1151
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 2: what are you trying to give people who listen? Because

1152
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 2: it is very similar to we live in the same

1153
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 2: family and you're attacking it from a therapeutic level. That's

1154
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 2: far beyond my expertise, Like that's my pay grade is

1155
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 2: way lower than that.

1156
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,399
Speaker 1: So, but can you explain what that is?

1157
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 2: Because it's really a really cool I think that we

1158
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 2: compliment each other well on the podcast world because we

1159
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 2: cover both sides.

1160
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 3: I agree. Music is Therapy is my weekly show on iHeart,

1161
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 3: and the idea that I brought to it is I

1162
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:55,720
Speaker 3: use music to help people create change in their lives.

1163
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 3: Everybody can do that. Everyone can do it. Set an intention,

1164
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 3: pick a song, think of the dream, and listen to

1165
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 3: the song, rewire your brain. That's a simplification, but I'm

1166
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 3: sharing that because I want people to know that it's

1167
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 3: within their power. So the idea for the show is

1168
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 3: every month a different area of life's twelve months. So

1169
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:20,720
Speaker 3: January we talked about money, February we talked about relationships.

1170
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 3: In March we talked about your relationship to yourself. In

1171
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 3: April we talked about community. And now it's May and

1172
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 3: we're talking about it's kind of like a mental health month,

1173
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 3: you know, we're talking about I guess music and mental

1174
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 3: health in a more general sense. And the ideas I

1175
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:40,359
Speaker 3: want people to learn actionable strategies from the show, and

1176
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 3: so I had on in January. For example, I told

1177
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 3: a story about how a jay Z song changed my

1178
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 3: net worth and it was a one to one story.

1179
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 3: I heard this lyric and I went out and I

1180
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:52,399
Speaker 3: bought this apartment on the way home. That's a real

1181
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 3: thing that happened in my life.

1182
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:55,320
Speaker 1: Is Heaven involved in that line?

1183
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:57,839
Speaker 3: No, no, no, but that scism is involved in that line.

1184
00:52:57,960 --> 00:52:59,439
Speaker 1: Oh no, I meant in the jay Z song.

1185
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 3: The jay Z song, oh, he says. On the story

1186
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 3: of oj he says, you know what's more important than

1187
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:10,319
Speaker 3: spending money at the strip club? Credit? I ever wonder

1188
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,839
Speaker 3: why Jewish people own all the property in America. That's

1189
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,720
Speaker 3: how they did it. And I'm a Jewish girl from

1190
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 3: New York.

1191
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 1: Yes, I know.

1192
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 3: As a safe space, I'm a Jewish girl from New York.

1193
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 3: And I heard that song I was sitting at like

1194
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 3: a health food story. And so the first the first

1195
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 3: episode of my podcast is me just telling that story.

1196
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 3: But I stood up where I was and I said,

1197
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 3: oh my god, I had this cash in my pocket

1198
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 3: from djaying all these parties. But I never knew somehow,

1199
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 3: somehow I missed the boat on the part where you

1200
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 3: don't have to like make a million dollars in buy house.

1201
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 3: You can make like seventy thousand dollars in buy a house,

1202
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Like I used to know,

1203
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 3: and I had to have a mortgage totally, you know,

1204
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 3: and have credit. I had perfect credit because I was

1205
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 3: really taught that, but I didn't really know why. And

1206
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:52,919
Speaker 3: I was walked home from the from the health food

1207
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 3: store and I went into the back of my building,

1208
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 3: the back door of my building, and this man got

1209
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 3: in the game in the back door with me, and

1210
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 3: he was kind of this taller, handsome man, and we

1211
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 3: got in the elevator together and I said do I

1212
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 3: know you? And he's like, do I know you? You

1213
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 3: know I have like pink hair, And he said, well, no,

1214
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 3: I have owned a studio apartment in this building for

1215
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 3: forty years and I've had a great tenant and she

1216
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 3: passed away and she was elderly, and now I'm going

1217
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 3: to renovate it and sell it. And I said, oh, well,

1218
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 3: I'm actually in the market for a studio apartment in

1219
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 3: this building. And I see it and he's like, yeah,

1220
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 3: i'll show it to you. And he walked me to

1221
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 3: the apartment and we went in and he is a

1222
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 3: gay man, and he explained he had so many firsts

1223
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 3: in this apartment. He talked about Fire Island and a

1224
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:28,320
Speaker 3: lot of the people that used to be in this space,

1225
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 3: very small apartment, three hundred square feet, are not here anymore.

1226
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 3: Of course. It was of the age crisis, you know,

1227
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 3: and the place was a beauty and he said, this

1228
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 3: was such a special place to me. And I said,

1229
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 3: I want to buy this apartment from you. And he

1230
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 3: took out his phone and he went to Street Easy

1231
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 3: and he figured out what the apartment was worth and

1232
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 3: he gave me the average right in the middle, and

1233
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 3: I said, you got it. We made a deal, and

1234
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:51,839
Speaker 3: we got back in the elevator. He went downstairs because

1235
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:53,800
Speaker 3: he wasn't renovating the apartment anymore. I went upstairs and

1236
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 3: I said to my husband, I just bought a studio

1237
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 3: in this building. He was like, what. And I bought

1238
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 3: that apartment and it's I still own it. It's like

1239
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 3: a very small piece of New York City that I own.

1240
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:05,800
Speaker 3: And that is a one to one. If I hadn't

1241
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 3: been listening to that new jay Z record had just

1242
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:09,360
Speaker 3: come out and I wanted to listen to it, I

1243
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:11,800
Speaker 3: took a walk to listen to it. I went and

1244
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 3: bought that. So in January that was the first episode

1245
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 3: of the podcast. I tell that story, and then I

1246
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 3: had Gene Chatsky, who's like a real finance expert, and

1247
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 3: I had Northrope, who talks about money and a nervous system.

1248
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 3: And then I had David Gellis from The New York Times,

1249
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 3: who interviews billionaires and writes about the meaning of wealth.

1250
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:34,319
Speaker 3: Which was a profound and very interesting show. So my show,

1251
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 3: Music Is Therapy is twelve areas of life, and we

1252
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 3: focus on a different one each month, and I bring

1253
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 3: my music piece of it, and the experts bring their

1254
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:44,800
Speaker 3: piece of it, and I'm trying to give people tools.

1255
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 3: And we have a playlist every month that people can

1256
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 3: listen to and sort of like get in the vibe

1257
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 3: of what we're doing.

1258
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 2: I think it's amazing, and thank you. One last question,

1259
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:58,360
Speaker 2: if I'm may yeah or well, actually this is the

1260
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 2: big question on my show, because I'm so interested in

1261
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 2: what you're doing, I forget that we're doing both of

1262
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 2: our shows at the same time. Yeah, did music save you?

1263
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 3: Music didn't have to save me, because without music, I

1264
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 3: wasn't me. Music is the whole story.

1265
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:18,399
Speaker 1: Goodness, it's the whole thing.

1266
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 3: I don't even know where where would I be without music?

1267
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 3: And there is no life without music, because if I

1268
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 3: was on like a desert island somewhere with no music,

1269
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:28,359
Speaker 3: I would be like beating a drum and singing some

1270
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 3: shit and getting everybody to check along with me.

1271
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 2: That makes sense, you know, And you said something earlier

1272
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 2: I need to touch back on about you can change

1273
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 2: your life. That's been a theme in my life, my

1274
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 2: whole life, and someone said it to me and it's

1275
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:43,800
Speaker 2: stuck in my mind. The rest of my life. Life

1276
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 2: is you know this one ten percent of what happens

1277
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 2: to you, because everything shit happens to you every day

1278
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 2: all day. Everybody's got shit going on in their life

1279
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:56,360
Speaker 2: and everybody's got problems, but it's ninety percent how you

1280
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:58,400
Speaker 2: choose to deal with it. And the word choose is

1281
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 2: a big one because people don't realize they have a

1282
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 2: choice and you can make the choice. And it's like,

1283
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 2: and I did it. I thought I'm gonna enact this

1284
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 2: and see if it actually works, and it really works,

1285
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 2: and I'm here to tell you it's worked over and

1286
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:13,760
Speaker 2: over again, and it doesn't matter what age you are. Honestly,

1287
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 2: I've seen so many people change their lives late in

1288
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 2: life because sometimes it takes some of us longer to

1289
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 2: figure it out.

1290
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 3: I think it's I agree with you, and I think

1291
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 3: that it has taken me to this point. I feel

1292
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 3: finally that I have to show up every day. There's

1293
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 3: not a day that I can waste. Right, it's halftime now,

1294
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 3: I hope it's. It's like I always. You know, you

1295
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 3: get to a certain name.

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Speaker 1: Ninety is like the fastest growing age group here, so we.

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Speaker 3: Maybe a little bit close, but close, and you know

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Speaker 3: this is this is it? Every I agree with you.

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Speaker 3: Every day is a new chance. Jay Z says, I

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Speaker 3: only play the hands I'm dealt. I can't say I

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Speaker 3: never knelt before God and asked for better cards at

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Speaker 3: times to no avail. But I never set back feeling

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Speaker 3: sorry for myself. If you don't give me heaven, I'll

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Speaker 3: raise hell till it's heaven.

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Speaker 1: That's the line. That's the line right there, that's.

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Speaker 3: The most profound found thing. If you don't give me heaven,

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Speaker 3: I'll raise hell till it's heaven. You don't choose the

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Speaker 3: cards you're delt. You don't choose the cards you're delt.

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Speaker 3: You choose how you play them, and it's every single day,

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Speaker 3: like how am I going to show up there? There's

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Speaker 3: a book called The Mountainous You Questlov had the the

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Speaker 3: author Brianna Wiest I think it's her name, on his

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Speaker 3: show recently, and so I got the book and I

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Speaker 3: read it, and it's about self sabotage, but it's really

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Speaker 3: about it's kind of like tools of how to make

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Speaker 3: the choices to change your life. And I think that

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Speaker 3: whatever action you're taking to change your life, put a

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Speaker 3: song to it, put a song to it, make it

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Speaker 3: the soundtrack of the change before the change is made.

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Speaker 3: My husband told me that brientin Tarantino would buy a

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Speaker 3: notebook and say, this is the notebook I'm going to

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Speaker 3: write Jackie brown in, this is the notebook that I

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Speaker 3: write in Glorious Bastards in and he would do almost

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Speaker 3: like a ritual, you would see it done. Yeah, And

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Speaker 3: I'm I think for people, that's that whatever you want

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Speaker 3: to change in your life, even if you're not ready

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Speaker 3: to take the action, set the intention. This is the

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Speaker 3: song of me getting divorced, I'm gonna get out of this,

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Speaker 3: or this is the song of me getting married. I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna find my love. This is the song. This is

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Speaker 3: the song we're going to dance to. I haven't had

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Speaker 3: a date in three years, but this is the song

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Speaker 3: We're gonna dance to.

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Speaker 4: You.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna get in the best shape of my life,

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Speaker 3: and this is the song. You know, I'm training for

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Speaker 3: this bodybuilding competition. I'm gonna do I can see you

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Speaker 3: very cut, Thank you in two years. I'm gonna do

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Speaker 3: this competition. And I picked the song I know the

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Speaker 3: song I'm gonna walk to. This is the song I'm

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Speaker 3: going to walk out in the bikini and have my

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Speaker 3: kids see that I fucking did this. Yeah, you know

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Speaker 3: like that to me, is is the is what I'm

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Speaker 3: teaching people. So I'm gonna ask you a question, the

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Speaker 3: same question to wrap it up right, Oh oh, you

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Speaker 3: asked me, did music save me? I'm gonna ask you.

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Speaker 3: Is music therapy?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 2: In every way, shape or form it combines. I feel

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Speaker 2: like it combines a piece of all everything that we are,

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Speaker 2: everything we do. It's the essence of life. Music's been

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Speaker 2: around since the beginning of time in one way or another,

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Speaker 2: and whether it's Gregorian chanting or you know.

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Speaker 1: Baba O'Reilly or.

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Speaker 2: Gosh, just even vibrations or it's it all means something

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Speaker 2: and it's all part of who we are. I think

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Speaker 2: it's in our DNA. I don't know how else to

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Speaker 2: explain it. But it's so therapeutic that it can make

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Speaker 2: you do things you never thought you could do and

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Speaker 2: achieve things you never thought you could achieve.

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Speaker 3: Very interesting. This has been really fun. This has been

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Speaker 3: like such a you know, such a delight talking to you.

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Speaker 3: I think it's so fascinating how much we have in common.

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Speaker 3: And I'm so grateful that you like shared your audience

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Speaker 3: with me and that you shared your time with me.

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Speaker 3: And I feel really like, I feel really like I've

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Speaker 3: I've arrived somewhere because you of your generosity. So thank you.

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Speaker 2: She is the one and only DJ Hesta Prin also

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Speaker 2: known as Julie. But don't and you're just wonderful and

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Speaker 2: keep doing what you're doing because you know, together we

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Speaker 2: can fix everybody, or at least I agree ry.

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Speaker 3: Just the two have us. My email addresses music is

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Speaker 3: therapy pod at gmail dot com. People can email me

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Speaker 3: and I'll help them find a song for a problem

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Speaker 3: they're dealing with.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 6: I'm Buzznight and thanks for listening to Lynn Hoffman and

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Speaker 6: the music. Save Me podcasts produced by Buzznight Media Productions.

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Speaker 6: Please check out our other shows, Taking a Walk Nashville

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Speaker 6: hosted by Sarah Harrelson, Comedy Save Me hosted by Lynn Hoffman,

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Speaker 6: and Taking a Walk hosted by Yours Truly. All shows

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