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Speaker 1: Welcome back everybody. Ah cacula is that you. Yes, try

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Speaker 1: to points. Welcome back to the show everyone. We're so

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Speaker 1: excited to have you. I'm Eli, I'm Diana, and welcome

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Speaker 1: to another recurripulous romance or spooky Halloween series about terrifying lovers.

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Speaker 1: It's so tough with Halloween because everything all holidays want

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Speaker 1: spook Tacular. Spook Tacular is like everywhere, so are like

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Speaker 1: up very close, very exciting time. The weather's right, the

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Speaker 1: decorations are coming out. We got some cool ones this year. Also,

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Speaker 1: go look on it on my Instagram because the pumpkins

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Speaker 1: Tim Burton moody, nice and twisty kind of looking. They're

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Speaker 1: ones on and they like hot, yes, very much, adding

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Speaker 1: some chilling ones today. Oh my god, this story is insane,

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Speaker 1: so creepy. Be warned. Today's Terrible Tales speaks of some

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Speaker 1: of the most horrible, wretched creatures ever known in this

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Speaker 1: this episode is about Nazis, but mostly vampires. Were talking

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Speaker 1: mostly about vampires who happened to also kind of be Nazis.

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Speaker 1: These two Satanists took their obsession with the occult to

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Speaker 1: Let's go, Hey, their friends come, well, say you're welcome

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Speaker 1: to Hell. There's no match making romantic teams. He's just

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Speaker 1: Jos shows a production of I Heartradio. Daniel Ruda was

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Speaker 1: According to this article by Joanne Feddler on Serial Killer

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Speaker 1: He was detached and distant, didn't really play well with

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Speaker 1: So he got into politics and he started canvassing for

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Speaker 1: in the world. You always have to ask more questions,

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Speaker 1: I was fine with the blood shrinking, but I don't

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Speaker 1: But even the blood Sucking Freaks were not quite the

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Speaker 1: and B. So, yeah, they for vacations, they're going to England,

424
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: in Scotland, they're they're sleeping and they're scare B and

425
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 1: B and they meet up with like minded folks and

426
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 1: go to devil worshiping parties. So just real fun. Yeah,

427
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 1: just a good time, real nice trip advisor sort. I

428
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: really would love to see their like travels. So at

429
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: a Halloween party in the year two thousand, Manuela took

430
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: part in a ritual where she pledged herself to Satan

431
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: and she vowed to take his word as law, signing

432
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: a pact in her own blood. Wow, that really means something. Yeah, yeah, Satan,

433
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: I'm sure. Oh yeah, he's like who saw in blue

434
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: ink Nolan void? This isn't in front of a noally

435
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: republic who could use the local ups. You know that

436
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: Satan would make you go be notorized and then make

437
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: you like send for different copy, like a sixty page

438
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: document you wrote the date in all positive Satan's a

439
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: real I mean, I mean, so she saw this pact

440
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: in her own blood and this must have really gotten

441
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: the romantic feelings flowing, because after that ceremony, Daniel dropped

442
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: down on a knee and proposed to Manuela. It's beautiful

443
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: right now. A Cult Crimes points out that marriage was

444
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: actually kind of antithetical to a lot of their beliefs,

445
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: but they saw it as a precursor to their eventual

446
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: self sacrifice in service to Satan. So they planned their

447
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: marriage for June six, six six, and then they agreed

448
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: to commit suicide together on July six, fulfilling the six

449
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: six six seven that sometimes comes up in more like

450
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: I don't know. I found some convoluted takes on the

451
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 1: number of the beast through some Bible analytics where there's

452
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: high or something where it goes on a while. It's

453
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: like three point one four. But if you're smart, you

454
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: like whatever. Whatever. I didn't spend a lot of time

455
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: on it, but that you know, like the seventh trumpet

456
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: or something there there's a there's a seven somehow involved.

457
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,719
Speaker 1: But at any rate, it only makes sense in Europe

458
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: because we wouldn't write at six six six seven June

459
00:31:56,120 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 1: six July six. We would right, six six seven six douse,

460
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: it's July six, And that's why you say the month

461
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: first and then the date. Sorry, Europeans, how do you

462
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: know how Satan writes the date? Well, I mean, how

463
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: do you know when the date is? You know what

464
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: I mean? If you do something in a specific date

465
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: for Satan in America does not count because you didn't

466
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: do your month backward. I've got two ideas. One is

467
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: that Satan probably does it like the Europeans do because

468
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: it makes less sense and it's more confusing, okay, right,

469
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: fair enough? Is that Satan probably just does it the

470
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: opposite of however, you did it right or Satan's like

471
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: the dates Whenever I say it is because Satan's done weight.

472
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: That's probably true, but I imagine he's just like, you know,

473
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: you do it one way and he's just gonna say,

474
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: oh no, it should have been the other way. Sorry, Yeah,

475
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: that's true. So Daniel and Manuela were married, both wearing

476
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: black leather for the ceremony, naturally very chic, but afterwards

477
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: they started to get a little worried. They had pledged

478
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: themselves to Satan and acted in ways that they thought

479
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: he would like, but they hadn't really done anything for Satan. Yeah,

480
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: you know, Satan's a petty bit. You show up to

481
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: his party without a gift, you're gonna get the cold

482
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: shoulder for a while. And he's like Snoop Dogg, like

483
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:21,479
Speaker 1: everybody's got the cap but they ain't chipped in. Satan's like,

484
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: you don't expect me to watch you in therates of

485
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: home without bringing me something. But I didn't realize I

486
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: was running. Are please, I'll just clean up after you.

487
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: So yeah, this is obviously a big problem for them.

488
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 1: So they decided to sit down and have a long,

489
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: serious chat about their future together with Satan, and they

490
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: both agreed that if they were going to get into

491
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: Club Hell together, they had to commit a human sacrifice,

492
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: and they knew the perfect candidate. During the days, Well, man,

493
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: well it's Lept in her coffin. Daniel worked a job

494
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: as a clerk at a used auto parts store. So so, okay,

495
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:11,800
Speaker 1: wait a minute, they're both vampires, but only Manuela sleeps

496
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 1: during the day. Daniels at work. Daniel works a job.

497
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 1: She doesn't work at night. I couldn't tell you for sure,

498
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,399
Speaker 1: I don't think so, man, well have figured it out.

499
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: I'm just saying she's like im gonst sleep all day,

500
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: party all night. It's like blood all night, and Daniel

501
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: can go to work and pay the bills. Hey, if

502
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: that's your dream, then, um, you should have told me

503
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: that a long time ago. Well, I don't think I

504
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: want to sleep in a coffin. I'd rather have like

505
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: a nice canopy bed. All right. So Daniel's working a

506
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: job at a used auto parts store and he had

507
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: this colleague named Frank Hackered. Now, Frank was basically the

508
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 1: polar opposite of Daniel. He was a funny and lighthearted

509
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: guy who showed up every day with a smile and

510
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: a dream. He was popular, he was entertaining, he loved

511
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 1: the Beatles. I mean, sure, this Daniel guy was a

512
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,240
Speaker 1: little weird, but Frank liked to give people the benefit

513
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: of the doubt, and he knew that they could be

514
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: friends despite their differences. Manuela had met Frank a few

515
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 1: times as well, and together they decided that Frank would

516
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: be the perfect sacrifice because their ritual would send him

517
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:30,280
Speaker 1: to Hell, where he would be the perfect court jester

518
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 1: for Satan. Wow. They considered choosing him to be a

519
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,839
Speaker 1: great honor for Frank, and they decided that they would

520
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: kill him on July seven, drink his blood, and then

521
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: received the order from Satan to commit suicide together so

522
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 1: that they could enter the gates of Hell and take

523
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 1: their place beside him. Damn, poor Frank. Yeah. The day

524
00:35:55,840 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 1: before the ceremony, Friday July six, Manuelis that down to

525
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:04,399
Speaker 1: write a letter to her mother. She wrote out quote,

526
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: I am not of this world. I must liberate my

527
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 1: soul from the mortal flesh, and then she went on

528
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: to announce her intended suicide. There was no mention of

529
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 1: the planned sacrifice. She stamped the letter and placed it

530
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,280
Speaker 1: in the mail so that it would be received after

531
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 1: the weekend. On Monday, on the seventh, Daniel invited his

532
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: work buddy Frank over for a dinner party. Frank was

533
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,919
Speaker 1: surprised by the invitation. He wasn't that used to being

534
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 1: invited to parties at all, let alone one thrown by

535
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: a goth couple. But he was an open minded guy

536
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: and he didn't want to be rude, so he agreed

537
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: to come along. He came by, he was invited in,

538
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: and he was polite enough not to mention the fact

539
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 1: that their apartment was literally and intentionally terrifying. I mean,

540
00:36:54,400 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: don't forget there, pier one there per six six six skulls, blades,

541
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: torture devices everywhere. Oh well, he probably thought, this is

542
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,879
Speaker 1: just how these folks like to live, live and let live.

543
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: And Manuela passed around Champagne, and Frank started to get

544
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 1: more anxious when he saw the nervous glances she and

545
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: Daniel kept sharing, not to mention that no other party

546
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: guests had arrived yet. Daniel made an excuse to leave

547
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 1: the room for a few minutes while manuel I kept

548
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: the conversation going. She put on a black metal record

549
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: and Frank politely nodded along to the music. Then Daniel

550
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:40,720
Speaker 1: re emerged in a long black cape holding a hammer.

551
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 1: Frank barely had a moment to register before Daniel charged

552
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 1: at him and hit him in the head with the hammer.

553
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: It beat him several times, and then Wellas started hearing

554
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 1: a demonic voice in her head telling her she needed

555
00:37:55,440 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: to stab Frank. She grabbed a knife and stabbed Rank

556
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: sixties six times, fueled by the belief that she was

557
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: doing this in service of Satan. Afterwards, they threw open

558
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: the lid to the coffin, got in together and had

559
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 1: sex while Frank's body lay dead on the floor beside them.

560
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: When they finished that, they got back out and carved

561
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:29,280
Speaker 1: a pentagram into Frank's abdomen. Then, fulfilling their vampiric duties,

562
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: they drank Frank's blood. Terrible date part suck. This party

563
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 1: sucks literally any moment now. They expected a flash of fight,

564
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:49,439
Speaker 1: a portal topin a visitation, some sort of sign from

565
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 1: Satan that his bidding had been done and that he

566
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: was pleased with them, And they waited and waited for

567
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: the sign, but nothing came. Satan did not call you.

568
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: Minutes turned two hours, and they started to worry that

569
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: they've done something wrong, that they'd fallen out of the

570
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: Devil's favor. So they came up with a plan to run,

571
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: and they would visit other Satanic pilgrimage sites in Germany,

572
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,760
Speaker 1: and then they came up with a list of more

573
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,240
Speaker 1: sacrificial victims that they could kill at each of these spots.

574
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: So I guess Satan was like, you've done it. You've

575
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,240
Speaker 1: got a great start, but keep doing what you're doing.

576
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 1: I love what's happened, I love the energy, you know

577
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: what I mean. Keep you posted, which we'll sync up

578
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: on this later. You can bring me about it another time.

579
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 1: That does sound like Satan having for him, So yeah,

580
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: this is a great plan, right, So they got in

581
00:39:55,719 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: their car and headed east and with that grizzly through

582
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: some scene. We'll leave you for another chilling commercial break.

583
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: Welcome back, my little devils. So Daniel and Manuela are

584
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: on the run, distancing themselves from their crime, but also

585
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: looking to kill again, you know, to please Satan before

586
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: they kill themselves in his name. So they still got

587
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:31,399
Speaker 1: that plan is still going forward as well. But on

588
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: Monday July nine, Manuela's letter arrived at her mother's house,

589
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: and obviously she read it and freaked out and she

590
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 1: called the police in Fitton, worried that Manuela had already

591
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: killed herself as she said she would in the note.

592
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 1: So the police went to her apartment, and of course

593
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 1: they found Frank's body. So they didn't even bother trying

594
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 1: to clean this up at all. Oh No, they just

595
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 1: left it. That's for Satan to clean up. Yeah, the

596
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: portal will open up and all the evidence that gone.

597
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it it's clear that they did

598
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 1: not expect to be alive for much longer. Yeah, they

599
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: really thought they were going to kill themselves at some point. Yeah. So, yeah,

600
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 1: they found it, you know, this brutally killed body, and

601
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 1: they also found the names of fifteen other potential victims,

602
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: which sent them on a nationwide hunt for the two killers.

603
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,919
Speaker 1: Daniel and Manuela really didn't know what they were doing

604
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,280
Speaker 1: at this point, and they're just kind of driving around

605
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: East Germany hoping for a sign, you know, like maybe

606
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: Manuela was waiting for Satan's voice to pop into her

607
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:38,399
Speaker 1: head and say good. Almost head south and then take

608
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: exit four and then there's a church nearby. We go

609
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: past that church's sock and then there's a schoolyard, and

610
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, and then you turn off the

611
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: exit and there's gonna be a Denny's right there, and

612
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: I'll just be waiting for you. Yes, you can always

613
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 1: find Satan at the end if meal at Denny's. He

614
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: loves a grand slam. They didn't make it very far.

615
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:09,720
Speaker 1: On July twelve, they were spotted and arrested in eastern Germany,

616
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: and they surrendered willingly. Again. I think they really did

617
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: not expect their lives to continue for much longer, so

618
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: it's not like they were putting up a fight to

619
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,760
Speaker 1: live on here. They were brought in separately for questioning,

620
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 1: and Daniel said, murder, but murder. I do not know.

621
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 1: Was this murder of what she was being I have

622
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,720
Speaker 1: no memory of a murder. No, that seems so strange

623
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 1: to me. So then they go to question Manuela and

624
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:37,439
Speaker 1: asked her about the murder, and she said, oh, yeah,

625
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: totally murder. I loved doing that murder. We do it

626
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: all the time. We first we brought the guy over

627
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: and we gave him some champagne and I put on

628
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: a record, and then Daniel came in with the hammer

629
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,240
Speaker 1: and ve hit him, and she just spills the gross

630
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: beans all over the interrogation room. She just tells me the

631
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: the whole story because she loved it. She loved the attention.

632
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 1: She wanted a scary buddy. I mean, I think she

633
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: really just wanted to be like, yeah, and I'd do

634
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: it again. You know, she was not afraid. And then

635
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: Daniel told his lawyers that he wanted to be more

636
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 1: famous than Charles manson Um, and they took that attitude

637
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 1: with them to trial, which started in January of two

638
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: thousand and two. While in jail, Daniel filed his teeth

639
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 1: to points to make them look more like a vampire's things.

640
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 1: How is it that filing your teeth is like grossing

641
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 1: me out more than anything else so far, because you

642
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: can feel it? Yeah, I can feel it. You can

643
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: feel it right now. Oh that does not That sounds terrible.

644
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: I mean I hate it. Like I'm not even gonna

645
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: say to the poor listeners out there, just awful. Yeah,

646
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: this is this is while he's awaiting trial, He's like,

647
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: I'm going to show up looking more like a vampire.

648
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 1: That'll that'll win him over again. Not not his not

649
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 1: his end game here to win over the jury. Do

650
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: you think his lawyer like cam In the next day,

651
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 1: I was like, god, damn it, who gave this guy

652
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 1: a tooth file? He brought him like a nice suit

653
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 1: or something. He's like, so I brought your suit for goddamnit.

654
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: Both Daniel and Manuela made sadistic poses and faces for

655
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:20,280
Speaker 1: the media cameras. They're flicking the press off in most photos.

656
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: They actually threatened the jury multiple times, and they both

657
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 1: stared down Frank's family and they flicked their tongues at

658
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: him and made the sign of the Devil towards them.

659
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: That's so just rubbing salt out of wound. And Manuela

660
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: requested that the courtroom windows be blackened out because the

661
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: sunlight bones my eyes, and the judge said, no, obviously

662
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 1: blacken out the whole courtroop for you downs. But he

663
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: did allow her to wear sunglasses for the duration of

664
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: the trial. I feel like that was literally just to

665
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 1: like not of her, one more thing to be a

666
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 1: jerk about, you know, right, Yeah, maybe he was like,

667
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 1: you're going to take up too much time complaining about this.

668
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: I'm sure put on some sunglasses. And also it's not

669
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: like they had to be worried about her like bluffing

670
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: or something. You're given it all to us really easy,

671
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 1: so sure for it. And they insisted in their testimony

672
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:23,959
Speaker 1: that they had done nothing wrong at all. Daniel said

673
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 1: they couldn't be held responsible because they were just acting

674
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: on Satan's orders. He said, quote, if I kill a

675
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: person with my car and half his bloody head is

676
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: left on my bumper, it is not the car that

677
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 1: goes to jail. It is the driver who is evil.

678
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:46,359
Speaker 1: I have nothing to repent because I did nothing. How

679
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: many have had the count in this argument? So yeah,

680
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,479
Speaker 1: but we're not talking about a person driving a car.

681
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 1: You are not a car dude. Yeah, yeah, sure, you

682
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,280
Speaker 1: blame the driver, not the car. But if one person

683
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: asks another person to go kill someone and person B

684
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,879
Speaker 1: does kill that person, you're both in trouble, I mean right,

685
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: And it's like also Daniel, Yeah, that's why the Hammers

686
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 1: are not on trial. You're on trial. Thank you, good nights, sir.

687
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: You should be a lawyer. That's pretty good. Yeah, why

688
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: did anyone say that? Now, psychiatric experts were brought in

689
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: to analyze them. Obviously that makes sense to do, and

690
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 1: they told the court that Daniel and Manuelo were suffering

691
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: from quote severe narcissistic personality disturbances. That sounds right. The

692
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: defense rejected calls for life sentences because if the couple

693
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: was mentally ill, they could not be held wholly responsible

694
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:55,879
Speaker 1: for their actions. They said that Daniel and Manuela were

695
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 1: not the monsters that the media was depicting them as. Now.

696
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: The prosecutor called it, quote a picture of cruelty and

697
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:09,760
Speaker 1: depravity such as I have never ever seen. I feel

698
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 1: that quote. But ultimately the judge declared them as not

699
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,879
Speaker 1: insane and fit enough to stand trial, but that they're

700
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 1: psychiatric disorders were enough to clear them from life sentences.

701
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: According to the Tumblr blog Crime and Killers, he said, quote,

702
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 1: this case was not about Satanism, but about a crime

703
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 1: committed by two people with severe disorders. Nothing mystical or

704
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:38,319
Speaker 1: cult like happened here, just simple base murder. But he

705
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,720
Speaker 1: also said that so much fan mail had come in

706
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: in favor of the Rutahs during the trial that he

707
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:49,800
Speaker 1: was concerned for the quote limitless stupidity of many members

708
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: of the public like you and me both judge heard.

709
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: I think that really explains his quote too, saying like

710
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 1: this isn't about Satanism, nothing mystic goal happened here. He's

711
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 1: telling the public, like, don't y'all start thinking that Satan

712
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 1: was involved here, don't get excited and start committing your

713
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: own sacrifices. This is just two people who murdered someone

714
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,359
Speaker 1: and the end a story, and they're not well and

715
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 1: we're fixing them. So they were both sentenced to a

716
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:22,760
Speaker 1: secure psychiatric hospital, Manuela for thirteen years, Daniel was given fifteen,

717
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: but the judge did note that they might never be

718
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:30,720
Speaker 1: released if they were deemed potential threats. As their sentence

719
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: was read, manuel had just sat chewing gum while Daniel

720
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 1: stared down Frank's mother. Frank's father, Herman, had initially thought

721
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 1: that he wouldn't attend the trial, but later he said

722
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 1: he was glad he did because after looking them in

723
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:49,280
Speaker 1: the eye, quote, now I understand that they are bad people,

724
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 1: but people, not devils, and absolutely unsound of mind. Before

725
00:48:56,440 --> 00:49:00,080
Speaker 1: being led away, Daniel and Manuela shared a passion it

726
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: kiss in front of the cameras, but that would be

727
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: the last time they would see each other. Shortly after

728
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 1: they were sent to separate facilities. Man, while a divorced Daniel,

729
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 1: Frank's dad, is a lot nicer than I would be.

730
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's real tough. You can't know

731
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 1: how you would behave in these situations or what you

732
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:23,720
Speaker 1: would feel right until it happens, and hopefully it never does. Um,

733
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 1: but man, what what what a situation had to be in.

734
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,839
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like a super big compliment that

735
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: he was saying they were unsounded mind, but they were

736
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: real people. But it's still kind of gracious. I mean,

737
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 1: especially in the face of their behavior being so like

738
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 1: in your face, like fuck you really trying to kind

739
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 1: of get a rise out of them the whole time

740
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 1: they were in court. I'm just kind of impressed by that,

741
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 1: I guess yeah. But I always wonder if that almost

742
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:55,760
Speaker 1: solidified it for them because you almost and again speculation station.

743
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: I have no idea how they felt and can't really

744
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 1: even begin to imagine it, but you wonder if they're

745
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: just like, huh, you know what, it's like they got hit.

746
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 1: It's like this, it's like he got hit by an asteroid,

747
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: Like this was just, uh, a chaotic force of nature

748
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 1: that just came through. He was there and this thing

749
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: came through that was just gonna slaughter anything that it

750
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 1: came past. I don't know if that makes sense, but

751
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 1: who knows what the mindset is there, But that's what

752
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: it sounds like to me in that quote. I could

753
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 1: see that. So thirteen years later, Manuela was released from

754
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:43,439
Speaker 1: the psychiatric facility. Conditionally, she is required to continue her treatments. Then,

755
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 1: in something unexpected happened, Daniel had been petitioning to be

756
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 1: set free. He had been working as a librarian in

757
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 1: a prison while receiving his treatment, but a woman contacted

758
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 1: the police saying that Daniel had called her her for

759
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 1: help finding a job after he got out, and she

760
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: said he was furious that Manuela had not only divorced him,

761
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 1: but had been released before he was, and he wanted

762
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: this woman to kill Manuela and said he would pay

763
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 1: her to do so. Jeez and Daniel's lawyers argued that

764
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: this was nonsense because there was no contract, no evidence,

765
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:28,760
Speaker 1: pretty weak motive for Daniel. But if he was convicted for,

766
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 1: you know, trying to set this scheme up, he could

767
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 1: face another seven years. And Daniel's mother was visiting him regularly,

768
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 1: and she told the press that her only wish was

769
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:45,800
Speaker 1: to see her son free before she died. She's she said,

770
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 1: quote he wants to rejoin society, find a wife, settled down,

771
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 1: have a family, or face Daisy though, I mean, can

772
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: you imagine, you know, so tell me about yourself or

773
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 1: imagine the Tinder, imagine the Twitter, the viral Twitter thread

774
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 1: of someone being like guys, you would not believe I

775
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: went on my first day with this Tinder guy. He

776
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: wanted me to meet him alone in a graveyard at night. Well,

777
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 1: Daniel's mother said the decision to free him was long overdue,

778
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:28,399
Speaker 1: but Frank's parents were not so sympathetic, and they said

779
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: his release would be a nightmare, which is very understood.

780
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 1: But Daniel was cleared of the charges of attempted murder

781
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:42,879
Speaker 1: against Manuela, and in September of Daniel was released. Now

782
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 1: Manuela had been given a new identity and she kept

783
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:51,720
Speaker 1: no connection to Daniel. But to this day, the locations

784
00:52:51,760 --> 00:53:01,839
Speaker 1: of both vampires is currently a no. It could be

785
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 1: your neighbor. They could be right behind you right now.

786
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:14,839
Speaker 1: Probably done, but doubtful, you know, probably in Germany. Uh.

787
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: A lot of the articles at the time we're saying

788
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:20,240
Speaker 1: that Daniel is probably going to go back to the UK. Yeah,

789
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 1: And I don't know, maybe speculation station, maybe that's where

790
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: Manuela went to. Maybe she went back to the Isle

791
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 1: of Sky Leverman died, but so she was like, there's

792
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: a real niche to go live in that cave. I

793
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:40,840
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, that's as much as we know

794
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 1: of this story. But that's a little little carry. I

795
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 1: feel like we should keep tabs on them. It is,

796
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 1: but it also like, going through this story, I was like, man,

797
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 1: they sure do think of criminal justice differently over over

798
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 1: there than we do here. That's true, because we have

799
00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 1: a very like vengeance minded like you did something and

800
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 1: you'll never You're punishment will never end, and I would

801
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 1: never be happy with you being free after this horrible

802
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:11,359
Speaker 1: thing you did. And what they did was gruesomely horrible, right,

803
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 1: I mean, in so many ways it's terrifying. It's you know,

804
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 1: you could say that the end result is the same

805
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 1: as any other murder, but there really is something extra

806
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 1: to it, just knowing that that kind of sadism can exist.

807
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 1: But then you've got this country which apparently, and I

808
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 1: don't know a lot about the German criminal justice system,

809
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:37,240
Speaker 1: but apparently if you're mentally unsound and you murder someone,

810
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,720
Speaker 1: they send you to a psychiatric hospital for fifteen years

811
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 1: and then they say, are you better? Okay? Well here

812
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: try again? Uh? Did I kind of find that admirable.

813
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 1: I feel that we don't. We don't make it easy

814
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:53,439
Speaker 1: to try again very much in this country, that's for sure.

815
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I'd be nervous about them being out in

816
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:01,319
Speaker 1: the world right now, except that I'm like, well, if

817
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 1: that's Germany's policy and they're not constantly having stories about like, ah,

818
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 1: this murderer, we let go murdered again, you know, then

819
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 1: maybe it works again. I don't know. I can only

820
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 1: you know, sit my ask down in speculation station and

821
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:20,799
Speaker 1: think about what German justice is like and how they're

822
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 1: rehabilitation works and its efficacies. I know that ours is

823
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:30,279
Speaker 1: not very good. No, yeah, we're everyone knows that. But

824
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 1: I and I certainly would not begrudge anyone saying I'm

825
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:36,800
Speaker 1: not okay with these two people being out in the

826
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 1: world because I'm not Satanist vampires with a Nazi background.

827
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 1: That in and of itself is like I'm worried about

828
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: you being in the world. Add add an actual horrendous

829
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:57,360
Speaker 1: murder to it, blood drinking murder. But it's like the

830
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:01,720
Speaker 1: real like it's a good story of like what people

831
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: are really thinking of when they say you fell in

832
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 1: with the wrong people. It's sort of like you're You're not.

833
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:11,319
Speaker 1: You don't just fall like trip and fall into the

834
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: wrong people, you know. You you often go looking and

835
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 1: find the wrong people, um because you're in a bad

836
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:19,840
Speaker 1: place in your life maybe or you just have like

837
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 1: a bad outlook or whatever reason. Whatever the wrongness is

838
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:28,879
Speaker 1: feels right, and the more you're with them, the more

839
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 1: normalized all this sort of extreme behavior becomes because you're

840
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 1: with that type of person, you know what I mean.

841
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 1: So you just get more and more like in this

842
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 1: weird rabbit hole, and you know, and sometimes especially in

843
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 1: this particular instance, maybe you don't really see what's right

844
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 1: or wrong in the same way as maybe they do

845
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 1: now when they had fifteen years with not Satanist you

846
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 1: know what I mean, and not goth people who are

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Speaker 1: having bite parties and ship like they're just hanging out

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Speaker 1: with normal we're more I guess not normal, but more

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Speaker 1: regular people and kind of going, oh, that's actually a

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Speaker 1: little dark. And to that point, also, the wrong people

851
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,880
Speaker 1: are often very coercive, as we've seen with the Nazis,

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Speaker 1: the neo Nazis, Uh, they are very welcoming to anyway.

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00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 1: They they won't judge you for your bad behavior. And

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Speaker 1: you know, as we've seen, I think a lot lately,

855
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Speaker 1: the right people, good normal, you know, uh, moral empathetic

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00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 1: people are a little more exclusionary and learn a little

857
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Speaker 1: less welcoming, and they there's there's sometimes more of a

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Speaker 1: litmus test there uh to be accepted into the good

859
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 1: people crowd, and the bad people are more than willing

860
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 1: to say, oh, well, you're not good enough for them.

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00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 1: Come on over here, we'll teach you how to have fun.

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00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 1: That's true. And good people as much as you know,

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00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 1: quote unquote which wish good people as much as bad

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00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 1: people can impose you know, a lot of authority upon

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Speaker 1: your behaviors and uniform that you must wear and things

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00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: you cannot dv it from in order to be able

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Speaker 1: to identify yourself as a good person who's in the circle.

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00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 1: So it's kind of all the same ship. Obviously, I

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Speaker 1: prefer to hang out with those who are not brutally

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Speaker 1: killing a nice guy. But but must be said, I

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Speaker 1: guess it must I don't, I guess yeah, Well we

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Speaker 1: said it. I also wanted to add that this guy

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Speaker 1: Jacques sergeant we mentioned earlier, who's a vampire ologist, and

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00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 1: I don't know what kind of degree that comes with.

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00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 1: I imagine that he's an historian who knows a lot

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00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 1: about vampire lore and stuff, so focuses specifically on those

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00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 1: types of study. It's I mean, stories I don't think

878
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 1: made up his profession. He probably is very well learned

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00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 1: in vampire history. But he says that vampires and Satanism

880
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 1: do not make sense together. He says that since vampires

881
00:58:56,960 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 1: are creatures without a soul, they inherently cannot pledge themselves

882
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 1: to Satan. They don't have anything to offer him, right

883
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 1: they he says, vampires have a heart and they can

884
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 1: love um, but they have no place in heaven nor hell.

885
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 1: So that's why vampires are doomed to walk the earth.

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00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 1: So the link between vampires and Satanism, he says, is

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00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 1: very much an invention of modern cinema especially and also

888
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 1: he says fringe fantasy literature sometimes, but in terms of

889
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:34,440
Speaker 1: the actual like legitimate mythology of religious history of Satan

890
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Speaker 1: and the long lore of vampires, Satan has no interest

891
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 1: in them because they don't have souls. That makes sense, Yeah, yeah,

892
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: that makes sense, in terms of being like, I wish

893
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 1: someone had told Daniel and Manuela, well again they got

894
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:54,480
Speaker 1: a very skewed version of cultures they signed up with,

895
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 1: got the Leopard Band's version. Yeah, so I hope this

896
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Speaker 1: the mood for your week moving into Halloween. This was

897
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 1: a crazy one. Have to say. This one was definitely

898
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 1: it's not not ghosts and goblins, but it's very real.

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Speaker 1: It's more like it's more like a slasher movie. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like a vampire twist. But honestly, would kind of love

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01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 1: to make like a really tropy Hallmark romcom movie with

902
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Speaker 1: their beats, because that was just like a horror you know, obviously,

903
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 1: but like it would just be kind of funny to

904
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 1: try to approach it like a romantic comedy. And because

905
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 1: there's so many of the beats are like, oh, she

906
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 1: found the perfect ad and you know they met up

907
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 1: together and their perfect first date in the graveyard and

908
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 1: everything was going great. I mean, you know what I mean, Like,

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01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 1: you know what that makes me think of is that

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01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 1: movie the voices of Ryan Reynolds, Yes, where he's a

911
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 1: serial killer, but we're seeing his perspective and he just

912
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 1: thinks everything is sunshine and rainbows it's good too. It

913
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 1: was very weird. Also, Anna Kendrick, isn't it Yeah? So yeah,

914
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 1: that's a creepy on. If you want something real creepy

915
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 1: for yours, why not? Yeah? Uh so thanks for tuning in.

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Speaker 1: This was a chilling one for sure. I'm gonna have

917
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Speaker 1: a hard time sleep and knowing these vampire murderers are

918
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Speaker 1: still out there, I know, hopefully fully reformed and contributing

919
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 1: to society, right, which is scary enough in its own way. True,

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01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 1: there's so many things that could be doing. And then

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Speaker 1: I was like, now they're just capitalist cogs, so please

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Speaker 1: tell us what you thought this really again? Just I

923
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Speaker 1: can't over emphasize how gruesome and gritly this story is,

924
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Speaker 1: so let's hear it. Send us an email Romance at

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Speaker 1: iHeart media dot com right, or you can reach out

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Speaker 1: on social media Twitter and Instagram. I'm at Dianamite Boom

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Speaker 1: and I'm at oh great, it's eli um and then yeah,

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Speaker 1: and the show is at ridic Romance. It's right. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, throw us a review on Apple podcast We

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Speaker 1: love though us. Find us on YouTube the Ridiculous Romance

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Speaker 1: YouTube channel, where we're going to be slowly uploading episodes.

932
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Speaker 1: We've got a backlog, but we're getting them in there,

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Speaker 1: and the automated captions are there for you to read

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Speaker 1: along with that episode if that's something that suits you better.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, we always love to hear from you. It

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Speaker 1: is always such a joy to get a comment or

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Speaker 1: question or email, So yes, please do reach out and

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Speaker 1: don't forget to tell everyone you know to listen to ye.

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Speaker 1: That's right, have a spooky weekend and we will be

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Speaker 1: back on Wednesday. Who by long friend, it's time to leave.

941
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Speaker 1: But well right again. Hellosi'd your friends that put treads

942
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Speaker 1: and play for them. I'll show we couldn't deal us wrong.

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Speaker 1: Nice