1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:01,880 Speaker 1: Well, it's Pride Month, which means we're going to have 2 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 1: grown men dressed as women tworking in the streets in 3 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:08,120 Speaker 1: front of children, and that's apparently supposed to be celebrated. 4 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:11,040 Speaker 1: Or what we saw last year are companies like Target 5 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: selling tuck friendly swimsuits for children. Fortunately, it seems that 6 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: the boycotts and the backlash that some of these companies 7 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: received worked because Target is now sort of diminishing what 8 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:26,119 Speaker 1: they're doing this year for Pride Month. But it just 9 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: calls into question what we're subjecting children to, the fact 10 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 1: that we're not protecting children from this madness, especially as 11 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: you know there's a rise in young people turning to transgenderism. 12 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 1: So what's behind that, how do we stop it, and 13 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:45,160 Speaker 1: who's protecting the kids. We're going to talk to someone 14 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: who recently wrote a book about all this. The book 15 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: is called d trans True Stories of Escaping the Gender 16 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: Ideology Cult. So what is this cult and. 17 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 2: How do we get kids out of it? 18 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: Stay tuned for the author of that book, Mary Margaret Olahan, 19 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:08,119 Speaker 1: who's all so a senior reporter for Daily Signal. Well, 20 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:10,639 Speaker 1: Mary Margaret, it's great to have you on the show. 21 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: You just came out with a really important book. So 22 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to digging in and finding out what 23 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 1: you learned through writing it. 24 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so great to be here to talk about 25 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 3: my new book, D trans True Stories of the Gender 26 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 3: Ideology Hope. This is a book that I wrote after 27 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 3: talking to a lot of different young people that we 28 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 3: would call d transitioners, young people who tried to do 29 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:36,680 Speaker 3: what many of us would consider unthinkable to try and 30 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 3: change their gender. So for the girls to try to 31 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 3: become a boy and for the boys to try and 32 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 3: become a girl, and they did this through surgical and 33 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 3: armed whore modal air adunctions, and I was so important 34 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 3: they realized that what they were doing was impossible, that 35 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 3: they did not fac feel better, and in many cases 36 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 3: they felt much worse mentally and physically. So they went 37 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 3: to living as their bolgical sex. And now they're sharing 38 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 3: their stories and helping to warn other young people about 39 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 3: the dangers of trying to transition in this way and 40 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 3: why why other people shouldn't do it, which is particularly 41 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 3: amazing because when they were trying to transition, they didn't 42 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 3: have anyone speaking out and helping them understand this. So 43 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 3: they're really trying to be a voice of reason when 44 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 3: it comes to this issue, because we have so many 45 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 3: pro transgender activists kind of screaming into this void and 46 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 3: saying do it, do it, affirm, affirm, affirm, no matter what. 47 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 3: And these are young people saying, I lived this. I 48 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 3: can tell you what it is really about. It is 49 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 3: going to harm you. 50 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: Well all you you talk about these activists, you know, 51 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:51,640 Speaker 1: pushing this, but it really is you know, society more broadly, right, 52 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: and we've got the media basically, you know, pushing this. 53 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: So you have to embrace this or you're a bigot 54 00:02:56,480 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 1: or you're transphobic or you know what have you do 55 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: you think society is pushing this? You know what's behind that. Yeah, 56 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 1: there's definitely a societal push here to normalize and embrace 57 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: so called gender affirming care. And that's a euphemism that 58 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: was created by activist groups like the Human Rights Campaign, 59 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 1: the ACLU, GLAD which stands for gay, Lesbian something something 60 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:26,079 Speaker 1: like I can't even remember anymore. 61 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 3: But these are these pro trans groups that literally created 62 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 3: style guides that they give to establish Remedia like The 63 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 3: New York Times, CNN, Washington Posts, Associated Press and all 64 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 3: of these outlets use the phrases that they are given 65 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 3: by these pro trans groups to talk about this issue. So, 66 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 3: for example, if the New York Times is doing a 67 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 3: story on Arkansas passing the Save Act, legislation that's supposed 68 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 3: to protect kids from irreversible trans surgeries, procedures and normal 69 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 3: and the New York Times is going to talk about 70 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 3: that and say, Arkansas passes legislation banning gender affirming care 71 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 3: for trans youth, and your average reader sees that and thinks, Wow, 72 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 3: that sounds like really hateful and horrible legislation. Why do 73 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 3: those lawmakers want to hurt trans youth? And that's the 74 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 3: whole idea behind that phrasing is that they're using euphemism 75 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 3: there to describe what we're talking about to turn public 76 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 3: sentiment away from wanting to protect kids. Because they know 77 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 3: if they said in their headline, Arkansas passes a bill 78 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 3: banning trans surgeries, foremones and puberty blockers for kids and miners, 79 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 3: they know that that's going to be well received because 80 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 3: polling shows that most Americans don't want that to happen 81 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 3: to kids. So they're very tricky here, And I think 82 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 3: it's part of a societal push led by gender activists 83 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 3: led by very radical left wing lawmakers on groups to 84 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 3: try and change the way our culture looks at this issue, 85 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 3: to try and normalize these types of conversations and the 86 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 3: context of kids, and to try and change, frankly, our 87 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 3: traditional views on marriage and sexuality and gender. And that's 88 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 3: it's a very scary thing. And that's part of the 89 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 3: reason I use the word cult in my subhead of 90 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 3: this book, because this is a very cult like behavior. 91 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 3: The way all of this operates, the way this is 92 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 3: pushed on young people, the way they're treated if they 93 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 3: dare dissent like you were saying, Lisa, the way we're 94 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 3: called transphobes and hateful, bigoted, if we dare to say 95 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 3: that a man cannot become a woman. All of this 96 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 3: is very cult like. And there's there's absolutely a kind 97 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:46,039 Speaker 3: of a religious fervor to it that I think makes 98 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 3: it one of the most formidable foes we have to 99 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 3: traditional families and to our modern society. 100 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: So what leads one to join the cult? Then, you know, 101 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,479 Speaker 1: in talking to a lot of these individuals, you know 102 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: what led them to just thinking one day, you know 103 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: what I'm you know, the opposite sex trapped in you 104 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 1: know this body like what led them to that direction. 105 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of factors that play into this. 106 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 3: And the way I wrote this book is I shared 107 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 3: different stages and compared the different stories one by one 108 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 3: to try and help people to understand what each person 109 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 3: was going through together. So I started off by sharing 110 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 3: the stories of how these young people were immersed in 111 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 3: gender ideology and what their family lives are like. Typically, 112 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 3: what you'll see here is that these young people are 113 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 3: coming from families that are struggling. So let's say there's 114 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:52,039 Speaker 3: a mother who's an alcoholic, and there's perhaps in a 115 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 3: different family, the parents are going through a divorce. In 116 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 3: another family, the mother's having an affair. These are all 117 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 3: things that I heard as I was interviewing easy transitions, 118 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 3: and most of them, especially the girls, they're feeling kind 119 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 3: of awkward. They're feeling lowly, they're struggling at school. They 120 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 3: are often on the spectrum and they just don't know it. 121 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:16,679 Speaker 3: It hasn't been diagnosed. And later in life they'll find 122 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 3: out that yes, they were on the spectrum, but they 123 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 3: just never had this diagnose it. And so as they're 124 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 3: feeling lowly and awkward and they're not fitting in they're 125 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 3: spending a lot of time, unfortunately, on social media, and 126 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 3: this was across the board something that I was told, 127 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 3: especially for these girls, and even before they get into 128 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 3: gender ideology content, this is something I found fascinating. These 129 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 3: girls are really struggling because they're on Instagram. Let's say 130 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 3: this is something that Chloe Cole told me. They're on 131 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 3: Instagram and they're seeing all these depictions of femininity in womanhood. 132 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 3: And when you're a twelve thirteen year old girl, we 133 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 3: know you're looking for what you should be. You're looking 134 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 3: at women as Okay, is this what I'm supposed to be? 135 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 3: Is this what I'm supposed to look like? Is this 136 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 3: is how I'm supposed to act? You're really looking for 137 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 3: someone you can just basically model your behavior. That's why 138 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 3: all these little girls dress in such funny ways, because 139 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 3: they copy the styles and the fashions that they see 140 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 3: to a tea and so they're looking at Instagram and 141 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 3: they're seeing all these very you know, perfectly sculpted women 142 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 3: who are on these exotic vacations. They're getting tons of 143 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 3: male affirmation and they're you know, scantily clad, and they're thinking, oh, 144 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 3: I guess this is what a woman's supposed to be. 145 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 3: They don't understand photoshop. They don't understand that this is 146 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:37,199 Speaker 3: just a glimpse into an individual moment of someone's life. 147 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,079 Speaker 3: And so for someone like Chloe, she's looking at these 148 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 3: pictures and thinking, Wow, I don't look anything like that. 149 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 3: And then at the same time, many of these girls 150 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 3: told me that they were exposed to pornography at really 151 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 3: young ages, and so they're seeing these really humiliating and 152 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 3: degrading depictions of womanhood. And what they told me was 153 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 3: for the women in pornography, it did not look fun. 154 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 3: It looked like the men were having fun and the 155 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 3: women were not, and it made them scared of sexual 156 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 3: intimacy as a woman. So when you combine those things, 157 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:13,599 Speaker 3: these kind of degrading depictions of womanhood and then this 158 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 3: kind of unattainable image of what you're supposed to be 159 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 3: as a woman, these girls are telling me that it 160 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:22,439 Speaker 3: just seems like too much. And then when you have 161 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:25,439 Speaker 3: gender activists who are saying, you know, they're stumbling on 162 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 3: this gender activist content. They're saying, Oh, you don't feel 163 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,439 Speaker 3: like you fit in or you know, you're afraid of 164 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 3: this idea of womanhood maybe it's because you're not a woman, 165 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:36,559 Speaker 3: you're a boy. And on top of that, it's worse. 166 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 3: A lot of these girls are victims of sexual assaults, 167 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:43,199 Speaker 3: whether it's someone at school, someone in their family, and 168 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 3: that only compiles this idea of wanting to escape femininity, 169 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 3: wanting to escape your feminine body, and if it's becoming 170 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 3: a boy is a solution to all of this makes 171 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 3: it way too easy. 172 00:09:55,800 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: You know, I've had I've interviewed Chloe Cole on the 173 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 1: show before. What percentage of the individuals you interviewed, I mean, 174 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 1: how many of them have had complications? Because you know, 175 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 1: often with these surgeries they're doing, there are a lot 176 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: of complications. So you know, did you have any of 177 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: those discussions with some of these folks? 178 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 3: Oh? Absolutely, everybody I talked to had some form of complication. 179 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 2: And like, get into those complications too if you can. 180 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I would say that it's it's not just 181 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 3: a surgical complications, a tormonal complications. So just so I'll 182 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 3: explain briefly, if you're going to go down this path 183 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 3: to gender transition, Let's say your twelve year old daughter 184 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 3: comes to you and says, I think I'm a boy 185 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 3: and I and the doctors and therapists tell you you 186 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 3: have to transition your child or else she's going to 187 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 3: kill herself, which is what they tell everyone nowadays. Let's say, 188 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 3: would you rather have a dead daughter or a living son? 189 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 3: And parents who are not particularly well equipped to respond 190 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 3: to that will think, Okay, this is the expert telling 191 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 3: me this. I loved my daughter. I don't want to 192 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,079 Speaker 3: hurt her, so we're going to go with it. 193 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 2: And you know, they. 194 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 3: Should trust her gut in this situation, but unfortunately many 195 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 3: parents don't. And so what will happen is she'll get 196 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 3: started on puberty blockers, which are supposed to just halt 197 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 3: her puberty so kind of gets rid of all the 198 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 3: hormones in her body. It can cause infertility, it can 199 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 3: cause in young boys their genitals to just not grow, 200 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 3: and lots of you know, as you could imagine, stopping 201 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 3: puberty at such a pivotal time in a kid's life 202 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 3: is going to have all kinds of physical side effects, 203 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 3: many of which we don't actually know yet. But that's 204 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:40,959 Speaker 3: not something that you'll hear from these gender activists. All 205 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 3: of this is experimental and continues to be experimental, and 206 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 3: our kids are being treated like guinea pigs. So after 207 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 3: a while the kids are on these puberty blockers, they 208 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 3: get old enough to take testosterone or estrogen. For Chloe 209 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 3: and other girls, when they start taking testosterone, they have 210 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,439 Speaker 3: this kind of honeymoon phase where it's just a surge 211 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 3: of energy and adrenaline. They feel so good because they 212 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 3: didn't have any hormones in their body because of the 213 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 3: puberty blockers. So now that they have so much energy, 214 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 3: they feel great. They're telling everyone, I love this. You 215 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 3: should take dystosterone. That feels so good. And shortly afterwards 216 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:20,839 Speaker 3: they start seeing the side effects. So for girls when 217 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 3: they're taking the stosterone, this will often be hair loss 218 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 3: in places they wouldn't expect, hair growth in places they 219 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 3: wouldn't expect. For example, you might start getting five o'clock 220 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 3: shadow on your face as a girl, bone changes, muscle changes, 221 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 3: your fat starts to distribute differently. And then emotionally, I 222 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:45,559 Speaker 3: think this is a scarier part. There's just a lot 223 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 3: of emotional changes that they would never expect. For example, 224 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 3: really extreme rage, just really extreme. These girls were telling 225 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:55,959 Speaker 3: me they it was so extreme they felt like they 226 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 3: had to physically externalize it. Soa for Helena, one of 227 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 3: the girls in my book, she would punch walls and 228 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 3: wake up covered in bruises because she just couldn't get 229 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 3: this rage out. Another scary example is that a lot 230 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 3: of these girls lost the ability to cry, so they 231 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 3: would feel this really intense urge to cry and the 232 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 3: need to cry to relieve their emotions, but it just 233 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 3: couldn't happen, and so it was very emotionally frustrating for them. 234 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 3: Some of these girls lost the ability to scream, which 235 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 3: I think as women, many of us have had that 236 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:29,839 Speaker 3: nightmare where you're trying to get away from someone, or 237 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 3: you're trying to warn someone about something and you scream 238 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:35,679 Speaker 3: and nothing comes out. That's an actual reality for many 239 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 3: of these girls who are on testosterone, and after they 240 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 3: de transition, a lot of these things don't go away. So, 241 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 3: you know, some of these girls might not be infertile, 242 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 3: but some of them maybe you know, some of them 243 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 3: might regain their feminine sounding voice, but a lot of 244 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:55,839 Speaker 3: them don't. Some of them regain the ability to cry 245 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 3: or scream, others don't. It's very much a toss up, 246 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 3: and it's it's very much something that you know, these 247 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 3: so called experts, they know that it's experimental. They know 248 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 3: that a lot of the time there's no guarantee on 249 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 3: how things will go, and they talk about this behind 250 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,439 Speaker 3: closed doors, as the recent exposa of the w PAT 251 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 3: file shows, but they don't say it publicly. And publicly 252 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 3: they say gender firming care is crucial for transute. The 253 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 3: Biden administration will say it is pivotal for transut, but 254 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 3: they don't tell us how experimental it is. And i 255 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 3: haven't even gotten to the surgeries yet. 256 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 1: I'm going to take a quick commercial break. More with 257 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: Mary Margaret on the other side, we'll get into the surgeries. 258 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 259 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 3: So in terms of the surgeries, what we'll often see 260 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 3: first of all for the girls is a double misactomy, 261 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 3: and that is very much looked at by many of 262 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 3: these girls as kind of like deeps, the thing that 263 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 3: will make them feel better, because a lot of the 264 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 3: time they think, if I can get these off my body, 265 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 3: I will be a boy, I will be acknowledged as 266 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 3: a boy. I can wear a shirt or I can 267 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 3: walk around with no shirt on. I won't be assaulted. 268 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 3: You know, It's very much viewed as this turning point. 269 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 3: And so after these girls get the double misseectomy, This 270 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 3: is a huge turning point because many of them realize, wait, 271 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 3: I don't feel better, and I had these terrifying black 272 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 3: scars on my chest that aren't going away. And for 273 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 3: people like Chloe, a lot of the time, these surgery 274 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 3: scars don't heal quickly, so Chloe continues years later to 275 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 3: have to maintain her scars. They continue to leak, she 276 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 3: has to use different bandages on them a lot. It's 277 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 3: just it's a bad situation and she has to continue 278 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 3: to maintain it. For other people like Krisha who have 279 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 3: undergone these surgeries, you know the scars might close, but 280 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 3: then there's other complications. For example, Abe Garcia, who's a boy, 281 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 3: one of the boys in my book Able, underwent what 282 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 3: they would call breast augmentation surgery, but we shouldn't call 283 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 3: it that since he's a guy and he never had breast, 284 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 3: so uh, it's not breast augmentation is kind of like 285 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 3: breast or replica insertion. And uh, they tried to reinstate 286 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 3: his nipples after they put on these fake breasts, but 287 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 3: they did such a strange job of it that it 288 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 3: doesn't look right at all. They're facing the wrong directions. 289 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 3: He has no set he can't sense any kind of uh, 290 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 3: he has no nerve sense in his chest anymore, and 291 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 3: it just feels kind of frozen and strange. And you 292 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 3: know that's all horrifying in and of itself. Then when 293 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 3: you get into the genital surgeries, it becomes even worse. 294 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 3: And I'm not going to be too crude here, but 295 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 3: when it comes to general surgeries, this is like the 296 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 3: next step for in so called gender affirming care, because 297 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 3: what these doctors promises they're going to give you the 298 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 3: genitalia of the gender that you want, and the suggestion 299 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:12,400 Speaker 3: and the implication is that it will function sexually as 300 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 3: if you were a biological man or a biological woman. 301 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 3: But we know that's not the case. When you create, 302 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 3: as they do a fake penis for a woman using 303 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 3: intestinal lightning or whatever they decide to use, which occasionally 304 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 3: is in testinal lining, it is not going to work. 305 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 3: It is not actually going to function. But that is 306 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 3: the suggestion that they are given as if they can 307 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 3: play god and create this fake genitalia that's going to 308 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 3: somehow work. And so for these women, this is in 309 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 3: essence a fake body part that is hanging off of 310 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 3: them that doesn't work. There's all kinds of strange maneuvers 311 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 3: that they have to that they have to try and 312 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 3: facilitate to eat, for example, and not to be gross, 313 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 3: but for a woman to urinate through this fake penis, 314 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 3: there's all kinds of things that have to be done. 315 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:05,880 Speaker 3: Very often it doesn't work. And for the men when 316 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 3: they're crafting a fake what they would call a vaginal classy, 317 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 3: this is basically an essence creating a fake hoole in 318 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 3: a man that is very painful, very invasive. It's a 319 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 3: wound that's trying to heal because your body knows that 320 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 3: your body knows how to take care of itself, so 321 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:27,439 Speaker 3: it's constantly trying to close up this wound and to 322 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 3: heal it. And in order to keep it from doing that, 323 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 3: these men who are identifying as women are told that 324 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 3: they're going to have to dilate it pretty much every 325 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:39,959 Speaker 3: day for the rest of their lives. So there's this 326 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 3: crazy complex too, where you are becoming a permanent patient. 327 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 3: When you're embarking on this journey, you're going to have 328 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 3: permanent medical bills permanently, like very invasive medical procedures, and 329 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 3: every time you finish one and you don't feel better 330 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 3: when you're told by these medical professionals is maybe you 331 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 3: need the next one. So after you do this super 332 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 3: evasive genital procedures, maybe you need facial feminization surgery, or 333 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 3: maybe you need your torso kind of sculpted so you 334 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 3: have more of a feminine body, which you know is invasive. 335 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 2: And how much money are people making off of this? 336 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:23,400 Speaker 3: It really depends if a lot of the time this 337 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 3: kind of thing is covered by insurance, which, by the way, 338 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 3: detransition is not. So. For Presha, I want to say 339 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:35,160 Speaker 3: she paid about seven thousand dollars for all of her 340 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 3: double missactuee surgery, but some of these can be even 341 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 3: more expensive. I want to say the vagino plasties can 342 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:46,880 Speaker 3: be up to like thirty thousand dollars, but I don't 343 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 3: have to double check on that. And in between, I 344 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 3: forgot to even mention after Prisia got her breast removed, 345 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:58,919 Speaker 3: one of the surgeries that they would have recommended that 346 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 3: she would get next is a hysterectomy, which is crazy 347 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 3: because this is a healthy woman who is a healthy, 348 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,679 Speaker 3: functioning body. She's not going to be able to see 349 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 3: that she had a hysterectomy. In fact, no one is 350 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:15,679 Speaker 3: going to be able to see that. But that is 351 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 3: part of this whole ideology, is that if you have 352 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 3: a hysterectomy and have your uterist removed, that will help 353 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 3: you feel more like a man. And they would have 354 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:29,120 Speaker 3: performed this on her willingly if she had said yes, 355 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 3: and thankfully she did not. And I actually am happy 356 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 3: to share that she is one of the few d 357 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 3: transitioneris that I've heard about that has been able to 358 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 3: go on and to become pregnant, and she had a 359 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 3: baby this week, which is such a gift from God 360 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 3: and is something I'm really happy, thankful to hear about. 361 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 3: But she had all kinds of complications with this pregnancy 362 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 3: that are in large part probably due to the horrible 363 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 3: procedures that she had to go through. But I would 364 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:07,199 Speaker 3: like to emphasize also that all of these procedures that 365 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 3: these very mentally ill people are going through are being 366 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 3: pushed on them while they have very severe mental health problems. 367 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,679 Speaker 3: And so even for adults, we would probably say that 368 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 3: they could not give proper informed consent to these procedures 369 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 3: if they were very seriously mentally ill. And we're talking 370 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 3: about teenagers here, so teenagers who are giving it, supposedly 371 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 3: giving consent to something that they have no understanding, of 372 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:39,640 Speaker 3: no capacity for understanding, given their mental health problems. And 373 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:42,120 Speaker 3: that's what we're talking about here. 374 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: So at any point during this with the people you interviewed, 375 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: did anyone intervene and say, Hey, look, I think you're 376 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: really depressed or you've got you know, this other stuff 377 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:55,199 Speaker 1: going on. 378 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 2: You know, why don't you work with therapists, Why don't 379 00:21:58,720 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 2: you go to church? 380 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,160 Speaker 1: You know, like, why do you you know, let's try 381 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 1: to get your mental health in a better place. You know, 382 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:09,159 Speaker 1: did anyone want intervene and look at that before saying 383 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: let's cut off your breast. 384 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 3: I was thinking about this yesterday because I was I 385 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 3: was trying to find examples of that, because you would 386 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 3: think yes, so it must have been some rational person 387 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 3: along the way. In Chloe Cole's case, for example, she 388 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:27,120 Speaker 3: did go see an endocrinologist with her parents about getting hormones, 389 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:29,880 Speaker 3: and the first person that they saw said, I think 390 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 3: she should wait. She's too young. So they went and 391 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 3: got a second opinion because they had been told if 392 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:36,919 Speaker 3: she waited, she would be in danger of killing herself, 393 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 3: which is a lie. But unfortunately that's what her parents 394 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 3: have been told. And in most of the cases and 395 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 3: the transitionaries in my book, what would happen is they 396 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 3: would be online, they'd be accessing all this gender content, 397 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,679 Speaker 3: and they would want to begin this process, and so 398 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,880 Speaker 3: they would seek out a gender therapist, or if let's 399 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 3: say they were seeing a therapist already, that therapists would 400 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 3: refer them to a gender therapist. And these gender therapists 401 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 3: almost always, I have not heard of the case of 402 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 3: a gender therapist not affirming the person that comes to 403 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 3: see them. The gender therapists routinely will say, oh, you 404 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 3: identify as a boy. 405 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 2: You're a boy. 406 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 1: Do they make money off of that? Or what do 407 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:21,159 Speaker 1: you think the incentive is then with that, Oh. 408 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 3: There's definitely a financial incentive, Absolutely a financial incentive. And 409 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:28,439 Speaker 3: I think that there's also a you know, if you 410 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 3: are subscribing to this ideology, and I think you see 411 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 3: this to a certain extent, let's say, in the abortion 412 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 3: industry as well. I've interviewed abortionists and women that work 413 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 3: in abortion clinics who are very They will you speak 414 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 3: to them, and you understand that they think they're doing 415 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:53,399 Speaker 3: something very good by working at this planned parenthood and 416 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 3: by you know, supposedly helping women get abortions, they believe 417 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 3: they're doing some kind of very huge service. I think 418 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,439 Speaker 3: in the same way, there are people in the gender 419 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:07,479 Speaker 3: industry who believe that they are somehow enlightened and that 420 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 3: everyone else is hateful, big and that they are helping 421 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,160 Speaker 3: people to discover their true identity. There's definitely those people 422 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 3: in the industry. And then I think there's people in 423 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 3: the industry who know that what they're doing is able, 424 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:25,640 Speaker 3: and that they are going against facts and science, and 425 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 3: they're willing to do it anyways. And I think those 426 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 3: are the scariest ones of all because it's a recognition 427 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 3: of trying to change the culture through an evil, and 428 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 3: that's truly terrifying. 429 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 1: We've got more with Mary Margaret, but first, since the 430 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 1: terror attacks on October seventh, the anti Semitism has been 431 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: on the rise, not just in Israel, but here are 432 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,919 Speaker 1: the United States and around the world. That's why I 433 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 1: have partnered with the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews, 434 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 1: and today I'm coming to you, my audience, to ask 435 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:56,479 Speaker 1: you to stand with us an IFCJ to raise your voice, 436 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 1: just as Oscar Schindler and Corey ten Boom did this 437 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 1: pledge asking Christians to stand with their Jewish brothers and 438 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 1: sisters to never be silent, to show the Jewish people 439 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: that they're not alone and they have God and Christians 440 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: on their side. For the month of June, we were 441 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,959 Speaker 1: asking Christians to sign this pledge, which will be delivered 442 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: to the President of Israel, to show that Christians in 443 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: America are not only standing in solidarity, but they are 444 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: speaking up to Let's take a stand today with the 445 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 1: International Fellowship of Christians and Jews to let the Jewish 446 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: people know that they're not alone. To sign the pledge, 447 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: go to support i FCJ dot org, support IFCJ dot 448 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 1: org to take a stand today. 449 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 2: You know, I know we've. 450 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: Seen some lawsuits and you know, but do you think 451 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 1: there will be a turning point. 452 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 2: In society where you know, more people will. 453 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 1: Wake up and do the right thing and stand up 454 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 1: for these young people and say that this is not right, 455 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,199 Speaker 1: we shouldn't be doing this. Like, what do you think 456 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,159 Speaker 1: the turning point will be or do you think we 457 00:25:59,160 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: will see one? 458 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 3: I think that we will see one. I think that 459 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,639 Speaker 3: already these lawsuits are amazing. Presha Chloe Luca others have 460 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 3: all sued, and those are lawsuits that name and shame 461 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,639 Speaker 3: the doctors and the therapists and their medical organizations that 462 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,439 Speaker 3: did this to them. And that's so important. You know, 463 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 3: Like I can write a story for your daily Signal 464 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 3: where I work and write a story about a doctor 465 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,680 Speaker 3: and that's the doctor definitely doesn't like that. But a 466 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 3: lawsuit that's a game changer. That's that's a much bigger deal. 467 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 3: But then also all over the country we're seeing legislation 468 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,400 Speaker 3: that protects kids from these types of procedures. I think 469 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 3: that's huge, And I think that reporting on those stories 470 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 3: that is clear and gives an a truthful depiction of 471 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 3: what we're talking about is so important to help Americans 472 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 3: understand what's at stake here. But I also think that 473 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 3: the de transitioners themselves and their stories are possibly the 474 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:58,199 Speaker 3: greatest weapon in counteracting this gender ideology movement, because some 475 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 3: of the biggest wins that we've seen in this area 476 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 3: have come after these these transitioners have been brave enough 477 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 3: to stand up and say, I went through this, this 478 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 3: is my real lived story. You have to listen to it, 479 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 3: because you know, the Left is all about empathy left 480 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 3: is all about stories and experience as well. 481 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 1: Do they say they're about empathy, but exactly, it's like 482 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,440 Speaker 1: it's yeah, it's a ruse, right, it's not, it's not real. 483 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 1: But I know you're saying they they believe or at 484 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 1: least project that they have empathy, but you know that 485 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: they don't. 486 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,959 Speaker 3: All their messaging is supposedly hinged on empathy and you know, 487 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 3: loving and caring for people. That's why they use gender 488 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 3: firming care and reproductive health care. Like it's all about, 489 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 3: you know, pretending that this is loving and affirming, whereas 490 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,880 Speaker 3: it's pushing an ideology rather than anything other than anything else. 491 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,880 Speaker 3: But I think that these you know, their stories are 492 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 3: truly so powerful, and even in the New York Times 493 00:27:55,320 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 3: and the Washington Posts have done I believe, one big 494 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 3: de transitioner story each and in these stories, of course 495 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 3: they say they repeat the misleading statistic that only one 496 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 3: percent of transgender people regret their transition, which I honestly 497 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 3: find that statistic kind of hilarious because they're pulling people 498 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,400 Speaker 3: who identify as transgender on whether they regret their transition 499 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 3: or not. But those are the people that currently identify 500 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,680 Speaker 3: as transgender. So I'm not totally sure why they would 501 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 3: be pulling this group when they identify as transgender. They 502 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,360 Speaker 3: should be interviewing the d transitioners who have de transitioned too, 503 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 3: and finding out if they actually regret their their gender transition. 504 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 3: But that's very typical of pulling that we see in 505 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 3: the US, where it's cast in a certain light to 506 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 3: reflect what establishment media would like to report. But the 507 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 3: reason I bring them up is because they have been 508 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 3: forced to report on these stories because they become so 509 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 3: big that they can't be ignored. And yes, they will 510 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 3: report on them and insert mislead statistics and say, you know, 511 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 3: the very few people regret their transitions. But I think 512 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 3: it's a really good sign that Chloe Cole and others 513 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 3: have become loud enough and conservative media has reported their 514 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 3: stories aggressively enough that establishment media cannot entirely ignore them anymore. 515 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 3: And that to me is definitely a sign in right direction. 516 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 2: What do you. 517 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 1: Hope people take away from your book? You know, what 518 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 1: do you hope to accomplish from it? 519 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 3: Yeah? My book is it is definitely really sad, and 520 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 3: I think that to read it is to understand that 521 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 3: these young people have been through some very serious physical 522 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 3: and mental suffering, and they still need help, they need resources. 523 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 3: But what I want people to take away from this 524 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 3: is an understanding of what these young people have been through, 525 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 3: and I want people to be equipped with their stories 526 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 3: so that when they hear the general from and care 527 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 3: is good for youth and that is helpful, or they 528 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 3: are equipped with these stories to understand No, this is 529 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 3: how I'm being misled with this phrasing, and these are 530 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 3: I actually have a real story that I can share 531 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 3: about someone that went through this, and I want I 532 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 3: want this book to be a resource to people who 533 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 3: are trying to understand the issue. Maybe they're not necessarily conservative, 534 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 3: maybe they're not necessarily liberal, but they want to be 535 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 3: able to articulate themselves on an issue that is touching 536 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 3: so many families. And I think that these are stories 537 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 3: that deserve to be heard. And frankly, I don't see 538 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 3: how you can read, for example, Chloe's story or Luca's story, 539 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 3: able story, Helena's story and come away with this thinking, yes, 540 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 3: we should fast track gender transitions. I think the stories 541 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 3: speak for themselves and I'm hopeful they'll reach a lot 542 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 3: of people. 543 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 2: I hope so too. It's an important book. 544 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 1: Glad you wrote it, and I think I agree with 545 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 1: you that it's really important to tell these stories. Mary 546 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 1: Margaret Detrands, the stories of escaping the gender ideology cult out. 547 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 1: Now everyone goes get to really appreciate you making the time. 548 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Appreciate you having me on. 549 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 1: That was Mary Margaret all on out with her new book, 550 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 1: d Trans. Appreciate her making the time to come on 551 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 1: the show and talk about this important issue. Appreciate you 552 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 1: guys at home for listening every Monday and Thursday, but 553 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 1: you can listen throughout the week, or I think John 554 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 1: Cassio and my producer for putting the show together.