WEBVTT - Twins! 0:00:12.880 --> 0:00:15.040 Welcome back to ID part two, which one of your 0:00:15.080 --> 0:00:18.840 celebrity mentors, Kelly ben Simone. On this podcast. You've been 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:21.440 with me on the journey from talking about calling off 0:00:21.440 --> 0:00:26.119 my engagement last year to manifesting my future husband to 0:00:26.200 --> 0:00:29.000 going on set updates. It's been so much fun so 0:00:29.080 --> 0:00:33.080 far and really really healing. I am so excited today 0:00:33.200 --> 0:00:36.360 because I've mentioned this person several times in the show, 0:00:36.760 --> 0:00:39.920 and I think having him on the podcast is going 0:00:40.000 --> 0:00:42.840 to help you get to know me a little bit better. 0:00:43.200 --> 0:00:48.160 So I am bringing in my twin brother. His name 0:00:48.240 --> 0:00:53.080 is Tom caylorin, but he's known to me as Tommy. 0:00:53.440 --> 0:00:59.280 Hi Tommy, Hi Kelly, Happy birthday, Having birthday Tommy, and 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:01.000 love you. 0:01:01.000 --> 0:01:02.800 You made it another year. 0:01:03.440 --> 0:01:05.920 Thank you for my president. You're the worst person to 0:01:05.959 --> 0:01:08.440 buy presence for because you're like Jim Shorts. I'm like 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:10.560 Jim shortsone's Jim Shorts, asked. 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:11.000 For Jim Shorts. 0:01:11.080 --> 0:01:17.560 But you know, forty again, Kelly, A baby. 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:23.280 Again, Tommy. Let's get into this because we're on our 0:01:23.360 --> 0:01:25.319 d part two and actually I've been I told you 0:01:25.319 --> 0:01:28.759 about this, how much fun I've been having talking about 0:01:29.000 --> 0:01:32.479 love and kind of you know, unpacking everything that happened 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:35.040 last year, but I want you to tell the listeners 0:01:35.200 --> 0:01:38.360 what it was like growing up with us. 0:01:42.040 --> 0:01:43.200 Kelly, You're. 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:48.000 You are one of the most unique people in the country. 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:50.160 Like you, you whin the. 0:01:50.960 --> 0:01:53.120 You've topped the funnel at the top of people that 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:55.760 come down into the bottom of greatness. 0:01:56.040 --> 0:01:57.400 You know, you're one of those people. 0:01:57.480 --> 0:02:00.720 I mean you You've funneled your way to the top, 0:02:00.840 --> 0:02:02.160 and you're just You've. 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:05.200 Got all these unbelievable talents. You're so. 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:13.200 Well spoken, and you're a hard worker, and you're a fighter, 0:02:13.400 --> 0:02:14.919 and all those things are amazing. 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:17.240 So, I mean, you have so much talent growing up. 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:20.679 Well, I think all three of us are like that, 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:23.760 and I think it has a lot. 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:27.480 To do with things that we had to do. 0:02:28.520 --> 0:02:31.440 You know, Dad was a lawyer, had a busy law practice, 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:32.639 but we still. 0:02:32.400 --> 0:02:36.680 All mowed the lawn every week. You know how to 0:02:36.720 --> 0:02:37.560 operate a lawn more. 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:41.120 I'm telling America, I'm telling the world on this whole podcast. 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:44.760 You can operate a push mower because mom and Dad 0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:45.400 made you do it. 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:47.959 And I just think it. I think it made you. 0:02:48.160 --> 0:02:50.200 I think it's made us all better people that we 0:02:51.600 --> 0:02:54.520 mowed the lawn, that we you know. Did you know 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:57.679 when a when a car battery died, we didn't call 0:02:57.800 --> 0:03:02.119 the gas station. We jumped the damn battery with jumper cables. 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:06.760 Do you remember that, you me, Tracy, our older sister, Tracy, 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:09.480 the three of us we did. But I always got 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:11.560 I always when we when I move the lawn, you 0:03:11.639 --> 0:03:13.440 got to be on the tractor, you were, Tracy, But 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:18.320 I always did the hand uh handheld because Mom wanted 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:20.440 to be perfect in the backyard. 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:23.920 We actually never used we actually never used that tractor 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:25.359 because it was never worked. 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:28.440 But Ray, remember. 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:32.320 It was a mindset that they were workers, first generation 0:03:32.400 --> 0:03:35.800 in college they had you know this is they didn't 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:38.480 there was nowhere to go back to ask for a 0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:40.560 loan or to get money or to help out. 0:03:40.720 --> 0:03:45.600 It was them. Yeah, And so you know, it's just 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:46.520 thinking about you. 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:51.480 You're just you just imby all those things that mom 0:03:51.520 --> 0:03:54.119 and dad work so hard, and you just watched them 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:55.480 work and you just kept doing it. 0:03:55.840 --> 0:03:58.760 And I'm proud of you. I love you so much. 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:01.680 But you know, now we got to find you a mate. 0:04:01.760 --> 0:04:02.560 Let's work on that. 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:06.440 What was it like where before we get in found 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:09.040 me a mate? What was it like being my twins? 0:04:10.120 --> 0:04:14.520 I mean it was amazing. 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:19.240 It was amazing because Kelly, you know when you when 0:04:19.240 --> 0:04:23.760 we were growing up, you your your talent was just 0:04:23.839 --> 0:04:29.039 so apparent, and your desire to be successful, it was 0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:33.480 so apparent, and you know, it was just sort of breathtaking. 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:37.040 Your rise into the modeling world was sort of meteoric. 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:40.560 I mean when you know, mom and dad, so coming 0:04:40.600 --> 0:04:43.719 from a family with a lawyer, Dad had enough money 0:04:43.720 --> 0:04:46.760 to pay for you to get good pictures. 0:04:47.279 --> 0:04:49.000 Do you remember when you took my photos in the 0:04:49.040 --> 0:04:53.039 backyard for Team magazine? Remember you took those photos. 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:55.880 I don't remember doing you took a picture of meat 0:04:55.920 --> 0:04:56.400 one time? 0:04:56.560 --> 0:04:56.880 I did. 0:04:56.880 --> 0:05:01.040 I took those professional photos, got into the the magazines, 0:05:01.040 --> 0:05:02.680 and you got picked. And I remember being in the 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:05.120 audience at some of the contests and you would see 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:08.040 the other young ladies coming through and you were just, 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:12.000 you know, clearly the class of all those groups, and 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:14.520 you just would get picked and win contests and go 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:16.039 to the next and get a contract. 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:18.040 You know what was interesting too, is like when people 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:20.120 talk about being twins, and you know, people ask me 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:22.440 about being a twin all the time, and you know, 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:25.599 it's like we were siblings. I mean, we are. Yes, 0:05:25.760 --> 0:05:28.520 born in the same day, but we were siblings, and 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:32.960 you know, it was fascinating because like having you with me, 0:05:33.240 --> 0:05:36.240 I was always I felt so confident, Like I was like, 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:39.640 Tommy's there, Tommy's there, Oh, Tommy's there, Oh, Tommy's right there. 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:42.200 Like I never felt like I was by myself or 0:05:42.200 --> 0:05:45.799 I never felt like, you know, I have any reason 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:49.040 to be intimidated because you know, we were in a 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:50.800 lot of the same classes. We weren't in all the 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:53.479 same classes, but we were in, you know, in a 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:55.720 lot of the same classes. People ask me all the time, 0:05:55.760 --> 0:05:58.520 they're like, do you guys have telepathy? Do you think 0:05:58.520 --> 0:05:59.320 we have telepathy? 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:03.320 It's just the stupid ast a question on the plan. No, 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:04.480 we don't have telepathy. 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:08.880 I mean it's not No, this isn't We're not like 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:12.640 Siamese twins that were separated at birth, you know, and 0:06:12.760 --> 0:06:16.920 share the same organs. Now we're born on the same day, 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:19.520 but we're brother and sister, Billy right exactly. 0:06:19.640 --> 0:06:21.400 And it's like, I mean, you know, they talk about 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:24.400 like nature and nurture, and we were you know, we 0:06:24.440 --> 0:06:26.880 have the same nature and we were also nurtured in 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:29.960 the same environment. Yes, we can you know, fix anything, 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:33.080 clean anything. You ask us to do anything, we can 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:33.760 do anything. 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:37.760 If your listeners are looking for that magic clean thing, 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:41.080 you know, it's have to debunk it right now, because 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:43.000 I mean, there are some things that have in common 0:06:43.000 --> 0:06:45.000 with your sister Tracy that I do with you, or 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:48.359 you might. Tracy and I might be better at telepathy 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:50.680 as some things than you and I are. 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:52.600 The two of you are lawyers. I'm not a lawyer. 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:59.880 You're not shocker. 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:04.440 Okay. When I get married to my ex, I'm happy 0:07:04.520 --> 0:07:06.039 the best time, so happy to see you down. I 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:08.320 love you so much. When I got married to my 0:07:08.800 --> 0:07:12.360 U now ex husband, what did you think about that? 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:15.280 Did you ever think we would get divorced? Be honest, 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:17.600 I mean we were too young. 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:21.000 To really think about like that you would get divorced. 0:07:21.160 --> 0:07:24.160 But I mean we were all worried. I mean I 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:26.000 think I was worried as just mom and dad and 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:28.800 Tracy and others were worried that, you know, there was 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:31.920 such an age gap between the two of you, and 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:35.480 that was just something that just worried. Is like, is 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:38.240 that going to Will that be successful? And you know, 0:07:38.360 --> 0:07:42.400 will that continue to you know, go forward? And I 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:45.440 think I think the two of you had some good 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:49.840 years together, but I just you know, he he just 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:52.200 proved to be you know, I think there was some 0:07:52.360 --> 0:07:53.280 I think he loved you. 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:56.200 I think you loved him back, but it just proved 0:07:56.200 --> 0:07:58.320 to be that he wasn't going to go all in. 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:07.160 And and commit to being like uh that he was good. 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:09.200 He would just lay down. 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:12.720 In front of a moving train for you or walk 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:16.720 through a better broken glass for you. And I don't 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:18.600 know if I don't think it has anything to do 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:22.480 with you that you are great. I just think that 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:24.240 that's a little bit of who he is. You know, 0:08:24.400 --> 0:08:27.520 it's been with many women before, and it's been with 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:29.679 many sins. 0:08:30.040 --> 0:08:31.960 I think too, it's hard. I mean it must be 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:34.280 hard for a lot of guys. I mean, obviously we 0:08:34.320 --> 0:08:37.679 don't come from divorce, so that's something as well. But 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:40.800 I think it's really hard for a lot of men 0:08:41.080 --> 0:08:44.880 to fill to fill shoes in a better way than 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:47.360 you and Dad, because you know, here I have this 0:08:47.440 --> 0:08:51.280 amazing twin brother Tommy, and then I have my incredible father. 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:57.560 So I've been around such stellar humans that you know, 0:08:57.679 --> 0:08:59.640 I don't like It's not that, you know, I want 0:08:59.679 --> 0:09:02.760 a real relationship and you know, I've talked about this before, 0:09:02.920 --> 0:09:06.680 like I would like a relationship where I I there's 0:09:06.679 --> 0:09:09.000 my partner, there is my best friend, that we can 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:13.240 do all these things together. And I think that, uh, 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:16.920 you know, it's hard too because like I have such 0:09:16.960 --> 0:09:20.800 high expectations because I was around great people. 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:24.600 Yeah, but there are great people that you can be with, 0:09:24.679 --> 0:09:29.040 you know, I mean, and we all are imperfect and 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:33.720 we make mistakes, so you know, I mean, and maybe 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:35.600 your next your second. 0:09:35.280 --> 0:09:37.720 Marriage that you had. I know, you've never got formally marriage. 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:40.040 It's got last let's call it last second. Sounds like 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:40.920 there's gonna be a third. 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:43.400 I don't know, but I mean you were with him 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:44.400 for a long. 0:09:44.200 --> 0:09:47.360 Time, like I don't know it's gonna be and. 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:51.319 You were with him for ten or twelve years. I mean, 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:53.920 that was a very lasting relationship. But it was just 0:09:54.000 --> 0:09:58.840 the most. 0:09:57.280 --> 0:10:03.200 Disappointing I guess too, Like because like you and your wife, Mimi, 0:10:03.559 --> 0:10:06.840 you guys are so close and you're such a beautiful relationship, 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:10.800 and I like, and I've told Mimi this before many times, 0:10:10.840 --> 0:10:14.720 I've said, like that's something that I want for myself 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:18.480 as well, Like I want that great relationship and you know, 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:21.920 it's like Mimi understands you, you know she and you 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:25.720 know maybe also really understands me, and so like that's 0:10:25.760 --> 0:10:28.760 the thing too, is that again, It's like the expectations 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:30.360 are just like hard. 0:10:30.800 --> 0:10:35.079 I don't think you're right. I mean, I can be inconsiderate. 0:10:34.920 --> 0:10:37.200 Dumb Assmi's the best of the best. 0:10:37.760 --> 0:10:39.800 She's great. I love her. But I just wonder if 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:41.520 you have this story. 0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:45.120 Book view of how everyone's relationships are. I mean, she's amazing. 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:48.680 I wouldn't trade a minute of my life that I've heard, 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:51.120 my time with her ever for anything on the planet. 0:10:51.200 --> 0:10:53.360 But I mean not there. 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:56.160 Are days when you know she would just like to 0:10:56.200 --> 0:10:58.360 close the door and maybe never see me, or at 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:01.720 least not see me for another couple of minutes or days. 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:06.600 And so, I mean, relationships are imperfect and hard. It 0:11:06.640 --> 0:11:09.720 requires work, and it requires kind of worst, you know, 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:12.200 saying you're sorry. It's so freaking hard. The whole that 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:15.880 you get gets harder to do. But that's the critical thing. 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:18.720 It's just like, can I just dump you to admit 0:11:18.800 --> 0:11:21.160 that I was a dumbass and I was sorry? Yeah, 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:23.760 that's hard. So I don't know, I'm not sure I 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:26.760 agree with you. That there's this big storybook between the 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:29.120 two of us. I think there are many great marriages. 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:34.559 I just see you guys as such a as just 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:36.440 like really, you know, it's like they always talk about 0:11:36.440 --> 0:11:39.360 that missing piece, which I think is very beautiful. But 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:41.280 I don't thinking of it like that. I just think 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:45.559 that you guys are so beautifully compatible and I love that. 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:47.800 But you know what's interesting is that when I when 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:51.719 I was thinking about getting divorced, before I even got divorced, 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:54.480 and I, you know, spoke to mom about it and 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:58.040 she was like not happy, And you know, you and 0:11:58.080 --> 0:12:02.840 Mimi were so supportive of my decision and not you 0:12:02.880 --> 0:12:06.319 were supportive of divorce, but you were supportive of my happiness. 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:10.000 And I think that's something that's also very unusual too, 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:13.680 to have that kind of very strong family bond, because 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:17.520 most people like are jumping from their family, and all 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:19.720 I want to do is be with my family. So 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:23.800 I think that I think that, you know, at first, 0:12:23.920 --> 0:12:26.200 I was so I was ashamed because I was the 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:28.760 first one to get married, and I was ashamed that 0:12:29.679 --> 0:12:35.000 I couldn't continue with something that I had made a 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:38.320 commitment to. That's that's how I felt. But I never 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:42.280 felt that from you guys, because maybe you knew it 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:42.800 was happening. 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:47.000 Oh no, I mean there's some things about him that 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:48.920 I really liked, and you know, I mean he was 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:50.480 very good to meet me, but I mean he was 0:12:50.559 --> 0:12:54.400 also just you know, and if your beautiful daughters are 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:56.360 listening to this, this is not meant to be critical 0:12:56.400 --> 0:12:58.679 of your dad. It's just like some of the things 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:02.239 that he wouldn't do for you from a career perspective, 0:13:02.240 --> 0:13:03.920 and some of the things he did to you from 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:05.600 a personal perspective, or you. 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:11.280 Know, just not okay, So anyway, we'll just leave it 0:13:11.360 --> 0:13:22.360 like that. But mine, Yeah, anyway. 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:27.079 But so then your your next path was into your 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:31.080 next relationship, which was you know, it's almost like you 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:36.359 you went, you went from the older guy to the younger. 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:40.960 Guy, like you went the absolute opposite direction. Yeah, like 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:44.320 you could. You went as polar opposite as humanly possible. 0:13:54.440 --> 0:13:57.000 How do you think I navigated being a single mom? 0:13:57.040 --> 0:14:01.560 I'm really genuinely curious, and you can criticis, but just gently. 0:14:07.200 --> 0:14:09.240 You were you know, you were a single mom when 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:12.520 you were married to Jill. I mean, let's be honest, right, yes, yeh, 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:15.520 So I mean these are basically your kids that you've 0:14:15.600 --> 0:14:17.439 raised from birth by yourself. 0:14:17.480 --> 0:14:19.280 He was around some but not a lot. 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:26.240 And I mean that's just an underappreciated thing that you 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:27.960 did and also trying to also. 0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:30.960 I think in the back of your mind you. 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:33.560 Must have known that you may not work out with him, 0:14:34.000 --> 0:14:36.520 and so you had to be prepared for the next 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:40.800 step of your life, and you navigated that being ready 0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:43.400 for the next career step and then also raising the kids, 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:44.520 which was hard. You know. 0:14:44.560 --> 0:14:46.480 It's funny that you say that, because a lot of 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:48.920 people when they when they're like, oh my god, like 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:51.360 on Housewives, are like, oh my god, You've written seven bucks, 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:53.440 You've done all these magazine and all that stuff. And 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:58.720 I I respond to that by saying, if I had 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:01.520 been in a loving marriage, do you think I would 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:04.240 have had the time to write seven books and to 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:07.280 start two magazines and to do all these things and 0:15:07.320 --> 0:15:09.760 to be modeling. If I was in a loving marriage, 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:15.480 I would be focused on my husband, uh, not just 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:19.040 you know, doing having this extra free time when my 0:15:19.160 --> 0:15:21.960 kids were at camp or school whatever to do these 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:25.880 other things. And so I think too, you know, it's 0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:31.120 it's been Honestly, it's been very hard. Not personally but 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:38.680 professionally to constantly tell people that, you know, I did 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:43.000 it for the right reasons. And I again, I also 0:15:43.160 --> 0:15:47.600 had you and Dad there for the girls. So when 0:15:47.600 --> 0:15:51.040 we would come for Thanksgiving, when we would come for Christmas. 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:54.360 I mean, you know, you're you're such a patriarch, and 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:57.160 Dad was such a is also such a beautiful patriarch. 0:15:57.200 --> 0:16:01.040 That my girls, whether they did things that were really 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:04.520 really great or really really naughty, you know, I think 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:07.160 that like it was just it has been so nice 0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:11.480 for them to you know, be around be around you 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:15.680 and that male. That male, the male in the in girls' 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:19.480 lives is such an important, important human because it really 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:22.600 shapes the narrative for them in the future of how 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:28.480 they're going to work and love. You know, if they're 0:16:28.560 --> 0:16:30.120 you know, they choose to be with a male that 0:16:30.160 --> 0:16:32.200 you know, help what that relationship looks like. And so 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:35.360 you know, I'm so happy, you know, I'm just so 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:37.600 happy that they had that they had you and Dad. 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:39.640 But what did you think about when I went on Housewives? 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:46.360 What were your thoughts, remember, gentle, gentle, you know, gentle, I. 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:49.920 Thought it was amazing. You you know, you were great 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:50.200 on it. 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:56.480 Your natural You're intelligenic and fun to be around, and 0:16:56.480 --> 0:16:57.360 I think it's wonderful. 0:16:57.400 --> 0:16:58.920 I'm waiting. 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:01.080 I'm just ready for the I'm waiting for the next 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:03.320 step in your career past Housewives. 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:06.840 I think Housewives was the starting point for you, and 0:17:06.880 --> 0:17:08.040 you got more in you. 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:13.439 From that perspective, from whatever it is that video production 0:17:13.600 --> 0:17:18.040 or video show or any type of the type of medium. 0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:20.120 I think you're going to do something else. I think 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:22.840 that's not the that's not the apex of your career. 0:17:22.880 --> 0:17:25.159 I think that's part of it, and there's going to 0:17:25.200 --> 0:17:27.360 be more and you've got a real talent and it's 0:17:27.400 --> 0:17:29.840 going to be great. So I loved it, and it 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:32.440 was a little bit weird at the start because when 0:17:32.640 --> 0:17:36.120 Housewives was first on, it was very. 0:17:36.080 --> 0:17:39.680 New and very popular and very controversial. 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:45.600 And I think one of the things why it got 0:17:45.960 --> 0:17:48.600 so popular is because it caught people in those. 0:17:48.440 --> 0:17:51.280 Awkward circumstances and you got caught for sure. 0:17:51.840 --> 0:17:56.440 And now I just don't think it's just natural or 0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:58.480 and you know, now they infew. 0:17:58.280 --> 0:18:00.320 You know, there's alcohol is just in fee use at 0:18:00.320 --> 0:18:01.080 such a high level. 0:18:01.119 --> 0:18:04.960 I feel like, you know, purposely, I feel like but 0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:06.320 I'm you know, I'm not there every day, so I 0:18:06.359 --> 0:18:07.720 don't want to criticize. 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:08.720 Too much, but I mean, do you think that do 0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:10.520 you think they saw the real meme? Uh? 0:18:11.240 --> 0:18:15.160 Somewhat. Not no, not all the time, but somewhat. 0:18:15.920 --> 0:18:18.280 So it's funny that you say that because I sent 0:18:19.160 --> 0:18:22.000 I have my og group chat and I sent a 0:18:22.040 --> 0:18:26.960 photo because I'm always like, Happy Mother's Day, Happy Valentine's Day, 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:30.280 Happy Tuesday, Happy Monday. How are you guys? YadA YadA. 0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:33.160 I saw this and I'm always responding to the group 0:18:33.240 --> 0:18:37.120 chat and it's always crickets, except for when I sent 0:18:37.200 --> 0:18:42.320 a photo of you. I said, it's my it's my 0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:47.800 my twin and I have a birthday today, like have 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:52.199 no idea. They go, they go, I knew who's in 0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:58.240 the group giants like me, Luan, Sonya, Ramona, Jill, Drenda, 0:18:59.000 --> 0:19:03.040 and they go, they go, who said that? Luan goes, 0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:08.119 who's that chills are? And that's her twin brother And 0:19:08.160 --> 0:19:09.879 I can't remember what I think it was. Rona was 0:19:09.920 --> 0:19:14.679 like she has a twin, I'm like ladies leads and 0:19:14.720 --> 0:19:17.160 Luian goes, he's very tall, he's very handsome. 0:19:18.359 --> 0:19:19.919 That's part of the problem with the show is it's 0:19:19.960 --> 0:19:26.399 not is not sickle. Oh good god, what. 0:19:26.520 --> 0:19:30.800 I called off my engagement last year? What were you 0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:32.600 shocked or what were your thoughts? 0:19:32.920 --> 0:19:33.760 I mean not really. 0:19:33.800 --> 0:19:36.320 I just so like. 0:19:38.320 --> 0:19:41.160 His your relationship with him was I felt like there's 0:19:41.200 --> 0:19:43.320 a lot of greatness in that, and there was. 0:19:43.640 --> 0:19:45.120 There was a lot of promise. 0:19:46.240 --> 0:19:50.920 Because I like being around him and and he shares, 0:19:51.240 --> 0:19:54.119 you know, at some level, he shared a lot of 0:19:54.119 --> 0:19:56.240 the values that I think you do and I do, 0:19:56.440 --> 0:20:01.879 and Tracy and our family do, and so I was 0:20:01.960 --> 0:20:04.320 kind of I was somewhat optimistic, but there was just 0:20:04.440 --> 0:20:07.800 always a you know, a hesitance. 0:20:07.840 --> 0:20:09.480 He is you know, is he going to be able? 0:20:10.520 --> 0:20:14.920 Is he going to be able to continue to you. 0:20:14.840 --> 0:20:17.479 Know, move forward with the relationship as an adult and 0:20:17.560 --> 0:20:22.520 like as a responsible adult and not that he was 0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:27.360 you know, adulteressts or drinking. 0:20:27.400 --> 0:20:28.879 This is not I don't want to give your listeners 0:20:28.880 --> 0:20:30.560 that idea. That's not who he is. 0:20:31.480 --> 0:20:36.920 But you know, being a responsible adult is just doing 0:20:36.960 --> 0:20:39.359 things you don't want to do, which is like going 0:20:39.400 --> 0:20:45.399 to work every damn day and you know, producing for 0:20:45.560 --> 0:20:49.119 your family and you know, making sure there's a place 0:20:49.160 --> 0:20:52.720 for a roof over everyone's head that night. And I'm 0:20:52.760 --> 0:20:54.560 not trying to say he didn't work, because he worked, 0:20:54.960 --> 0:20:55.400 no question. 0:20:55.400 --> 0:20:57.160 You know what's interesting. People are like when they see 0:20:57.200 --> 0:20:59.320 me on Instagram and I'm like, oh, I'm showing or 0:20:59.320 --> 0:21:01.040 I'm here, I'm there, and they're like, you don't really 0:21:01.080 --> 0:21:05.360 work like work? I work every day. But remember when 0:21:05.359 --> 0:21:07.400 I was you know, when we talked about the prenup, 0:21:07.840 --> 0:21:10.480 you know, you know you you were like, do you 0:21:10.480 --> 0:21:13.000 remember what you said to me about the prenup? Not 0:21:13.040 --> 0:21:18.840 really you said get it don't again? 0:21:20.280 --> 0:21:23.760 Yeah I probably did. Yeah, I mean I just why not? 0:21:24.119 --> 0:21:27.639 I mean, what, what's what's the hold up for you know, 0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:31.919 having an agreement in a relationship when you're you know, 0:21:32.520 --> 0:21:37.880 I'll just you know, spoiler alert post fifty for your. 0:21:37.720 --> 0:21:41.400 Listeners, it's shock her fifty. 0:21:42.920 --> 0:21:44.200 You're not supposed to say that. 0:21:45.040 --> 0:21:47.280 No spoiler alert if you. 0:21:47.280 --> 0:21:50.800 Just want to forty Tommy forty forty forty forty Yeah. 0:21:51.000 --> 0:21:52.000 Yeah. 0:21:52.119 --> 0:21:55.159 So anyway, like it sucks because he was you know, 0:21:55.200 --> 0:21:57.399 he had a lot to offer, and I feel like, 0:21:57.640 --> 0:21:59.840