1 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: Welcome back to ID part two, which one of your 2 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: celebrity mentors, Kelly ben Simone. On this podcast. You've been 3 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:21,440 Speaker 1: with me on the journey from talking about calling off 4 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:26,119 Speaker 1: my engagement last year to manifesting my future husband to 5 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: going on set updates. It's been so much fun so 6 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: far and really really healing. I am so excited today 7 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: because I've mentioned this person several times in the show, 8 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: and I think having him on the podcast is going 9 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,840 Speaker 1: to help you get to know me a little bit better. 10 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:48,160 Speaker 1: So I am bringing in my twin brother. His name 11 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: is Tom caylorin, but he's known to me as Tommy. 12 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 1: Hi Tommy, Hi Kelly, Happy birthday, Having birthday Tommy, and 13 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: love you. 14 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 2: You made it another year. 15 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: Thank you for my president. You're the worst person to 16 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: buy presence for because you're like Jim Shorts. I'm like 17 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 1: Jim shortsone's Jim Shorts, asked. 18 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 2: For Jim Shorts. 19 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 3: But you know, forty again, Kelly, A baby. 20 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: Again, Tommy. Let's get into this because we're on our 21 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 1: d part two and actually I've been I told you 22 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:28,759 Speaker 1: about this, how much fun I've been having talking about 23 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,479 Speaker 1: love and kind of you know, unpacking everything that happened 24 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 1: last year, but I want you to tell the listeners 25 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: what it was like growing up with us. 26 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 2: Kelly, You're. 27 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 3: You are one of the most unique people in the country. 28 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 2: Like you, you whin the. 29 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 3: You've topped the funnel at the top of people that 30 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 3: come down into the bottom of greatness. 31 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 2: You know, you're one of those people. 32 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 3: I mean you You've funneled your way to the top, 33 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 3: and you're just You've. 34 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 2: Got all these unbelievable talents. You're so. 35 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 3: Well spoken, and you're a hard worker, and you're a fighter, 36 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 3: and all those things are amazing. 37 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 2: So, I mean, you have so much talent growing up. 38 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:20,679 Speaker 3: Well, I think all three of us are like that, 39 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 3: and I think it has a lot. 40 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 2: To do with things that we had to do. 41 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 3: You know, Dad was a lawyer, had a busy law practice, 42 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 3: but we still. 43 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 2: All mowed the lawn every week. You know how to 44 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 2: operate a lawn more. 45 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 3: I'm telling America, I'm telling the world on this whole podcast. 46 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 3: You can operate a push mower because mom and Dad 47 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 3: made you do it. 48 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:47,959 Speaker 2: And I just think it. I think it made you. 49 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 3: I think it's made us all better people that we 50 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 3: mowed the lawn, that we you know. Did you know 51 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,679 Speaker 3: when a when a car battery died, we didn't call 52 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:02,119 Speaker 3: the gas station. We jumped the damn battery with jumper cables. 53 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: Do you remember that, you me, Tracy, our older sister, Tracy, 54 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: the three of us we did. But I always got 55 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: I always when we when I move the lawn, you 56 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: got to be on the tractor, you were, Tracy, But 57 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: I always did the hand uh handheld because Mom wanted 58 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: to be perfect in the backyard. 59 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 3: We actually never used we actually never used that tractor 60 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:25,359 Speaker 3: because it was never worked. 61 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: But Ray, remember. 62 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 3: It was a mindset that they were workers, first generation 63 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 3: in college they had you know this is they didn't 64 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 3: there was nowhere to go back to ask for a 65 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 3: loan or to get money or to help out. 66 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 2: It was them. Yeah, And so you know, it's just 67 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 2: thinking about you. 68 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 3: You're just you just imby all those things that mom 69 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:54,119 Speaker 3: and dad work so hard, and you just watched them 70 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 3: work and you just kept doing it. 71 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 2: And I'm proud of you. I love you so much. 72 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 2: But you know, now we got to find you a mate. 73 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 2: Let's work on that. 74 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: What was it like where before we get in found 75 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: me a mate? What was it like being my twins? 76 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 2: I mean it was amazing. 77 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 3: It was amazing because Kelly, you know when you when 78 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 3: we were growing up, you your your talent was just 79 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 3: so apparent, and your desire to be successful, it was 80 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 3: so apparent, and you know, it was just sort of breathtaking. 81 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 3: Your rise into the modeling world was sort of meteoric. 82 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 3: I mean when you know, mom and dad, so coming 83 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 3: from a family with a lawyer, Dad had enough money 84 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 3: to pay for you to get good pictures. 85 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: Do you remember when you took my photos in the 86 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:53,039 Speaker 1: backyard for Team magazine? Remember you took those photos. 87 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 2: I don't remember doing you took a picture of meat 88 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 2: one time? 89 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: I did. 90 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 3: I took those professional photos, got into the the magazines, 91 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 3: and you got picked. And I remember being in the 92 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 3: audience at some of the contests and you would see 93 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 3: the other young ladies coming through and you were just, 94 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 3: you know, clearly the class of all those groups, and 95 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 3: you just would get picked and win contests and go 96 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 3: to the next and get a contract. 97 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 1: You know what was interesting too, is like when people 98 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: talk about being twins, and you know, people ask me 99 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: about being a twin all the time, and you know, 100 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 1: it's like we were siblings. I mean, we are. Yes, 101 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: born in the same day, but we were siblings, and 102 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: you know, it was fascinating because like having you with me, 103 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: I was always I felt so confident, Like I was like, 104 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: Tommy's there, Tommy's there, Oh, Tommy's there, Oh, Tommy's right there. 105 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: Like I never felt like I was by myself or 106 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:45,799 Speaker 1: I never felt like, you know, I have any reason 107 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 1: to be intimidated because you know, we were in a 108 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: lot of the same classes. We weren't in all the 109 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:53,479 Speaker 1: same classes, but we were in, you know, in a 110 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 1: lot of the same classes. People ask me all the time, 111 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: they're like, do you guys have telepathy? Do you think 112 00:05:58,520 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: we have telepathy? 113 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 2: It's just the stupid ast a question on the plan. No, 114 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 2: we don't have telepathy. 115 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 3: I mean it's not No, this isn't We're not like 116 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 3: Siamese twins that were separated at birth, you know, and 117 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 3: share the same organs. Now we're born on the same day, 118 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 3: but we're brother and sister, Billy right exactly. 119 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: And it's like, I mean, you know, they talk about 120 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: like nature and nurture, and we were you know, we 121 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: have the same nature and we were also nurtured in 122 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: the same environment. Yes, we can you know, fix anything, 123 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: clean anything. You ask us to do anything, we can 124 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 1: do anything. 125 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 3: If your listeners are looking for that magic clean thing, 126 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 3: you know, it's have to debunk it right now, because 127 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 3: I mean, there are some things that have in common 128 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 3: with your sister Tracy that I do with you, or 129 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,359 Speaker 3: you might. Tracy and I might be better at telepathy 130 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 3: as some things than you and I are. 131 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 1: The two of you are lawyers. I'm not a lawyer. 132 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 2: You're not shocker. 133 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: Okay. When I get married to my ex, I'm happy 134 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:06,039 Speaker 1: the best time, so happy to see you down. I 135 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: love you so much. When I got married to my 136 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: U now ex husband, what did you think about that? 137 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: Did you ever think we would get divorced? Be honest, 138 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: I mean we were too young. 139 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 3: To really think about like that you would get divorced. 140 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 3: But I mean we were all worried. I mean I 141 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 3: think I was worried as just mom and dad and 142 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 3: Tracy and others were worried that, you know, there was 143 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 3: such an age gap between the two of you, and 144 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 3: that was just something that just worried. Is like, is 145 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 3: that going to Will that be successful? And you know, 146 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 3: will that continue to you know, go forward? And I 147 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 3: think I think the two of you had some good 148 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 3: years together, but I just you know, he he just 149 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 3: proved to be you know, I think there was some 150 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 3: I think he loved you. 151 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 2: I think you loved him back, but it just proved 152 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 2: to be that he wasn't going to go all in. 153 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 3: And and commit to being like uh that he was good. 154 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 2: He would just lay down. 155 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 3: In front of a moving train for you or walk 156 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 3: through a better broken glass for you. And I don't 157 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 3: know if I don't think it has anything to do 158 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 3: with you that you are great. I just think that 159 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 3: that's a little bit of who he is. You know, 160 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 3: it's been with many women before, and it's been with 161 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:29,679 Speaker 3: many sins. 162 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: I think too, it's hard. I mean it must be 163 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: hard for a lot of guys. I mean, obviously we 164 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 1: don't come from divorce, so that's something as well. But 165 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: I think it's really hard for a lot of men 166 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: to fill to fill shoes in a better way than 167 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: you and Dad, because you know, here I have this 168 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: amazing twin brother Tommy, and then I have my incredible father. 169 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 1: So I've been around such stellar humans that you know, 170 00:08:57,679 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: I don't like It's not that, you know, I want 171 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: a real relationship and you know, I've talked about this before, 172 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 1: like I would like a relationship where I I there's 173 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: my partner, there is my best friend, that we can 174 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: do all these things together. And I think that, uh, 175 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: you know, it's hard too because like I have such 176 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: high expectations because I was around great people. 177 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, but there are great people that you can be with, 178 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 3: you know, I mean, and we all are imperfect and 179 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 3: we make mistakes, so you know, I mean, and maybe 180 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 3: your next your second. 181 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 2: Marriage that you had. I know, you've never got formally marriage. 182 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: It's got last let's call it last second. Sounds like 183 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: there's gonna be a third. 184 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 2: I don't know, but I mean you were with him 185 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 2: for a long. 186 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 1: Time, like I don't know it's gonna be and. 187 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:51,319 Speaker 2: You were with him for ten or twelve years. I mean, 188 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 2: that was a very lasting relationship. But it was just 189 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 2: the most. 190 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 1: Disappointing I guess too, Like because like you and your wife, Mimi, 191 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 1: you guys are so close and you're such a beautiful relationship, 192 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: and I like, and I've told Mimi this before many times, 193 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: I've said, like that's something that I want for myself 194 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: as well, Like I want that great relationship and you know, 195 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: it's like Mimi understands you, you know she and you 196 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: know maybe also really understands me, and so like that's 197 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: the thing too, is that again, It's like the expectations 198 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: are just like hard. 199 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:35,079 Speaker 2: I don't think you're right. I mean, I can be inconsiderate. 200 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 1: Dumb Assmi's the best of the best. 201 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 2: She's great. I love her. But I just wonder if 202 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 2: you have this story. 203 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 3: Book view of how everyone's relationships are. I mean, she's amazing. 204 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 3: I wouldn't trade a minute of my life that I've heard, 205 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 3: my time with her ever for anything on the planet. 206 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 2: But I mean not there. 207 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 3: Are days when you know she would just like to 208 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 3: close the door and maybe never see me, or at 209 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 3: least not see me for another couple of minutes or days. 210 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 3: And so, I mean, relationships are imperfect and hard. It 211 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 3: requires work, and it requires kind of worst, you know, 212 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 3: saying you're sorry. It's so freaking hard. The whole that 213 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 3: you get gets harder to do. But that's the critical thing. 214 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 3: It's just like, can I just dump you to admit 215 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 3: that I was a dumbass and I was sorry? Yeah, 216 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 3: that's hard. So I don't know, I'm not sure I 217 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 3: agree with you. That there's this big storybook between the 218 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 3: two of us. I think there are many great marriages. 219 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:34,559 Speaker 1: I just see you guys as such a as just 220 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 1: like really, you know, it's like they always talk about 221 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: that missing piece, which I think is very beautiful. But 222 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: I don't thinking of it like that. I just think 223 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:45,559 Speaker 1: that you guys are so beautifully compatible and I love that. 224 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: But you know what's interesting is that when I when 225 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:51,719 Speaker 1: I was thinking about getting divorced, before I even got divorced, 226 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: and I, you know, spoke to mom about it and 227 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 1: she was like not happy, And you know, you and 228 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 1: Mimi were so supportive of my decision and not you 229 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:06,319 Speaker 1: were supportive of divorce, but you were supportive of my happiness. 230 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: And I think that's something that's also very unusual too, 231 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 1: to have that kind of very strong family bond, because 232 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: most people like are jumping from their family, and all 233 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: I want to do is be with my family. So 234 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: I think that I think that, you know, at first, 235 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 1: I was so I was ashamed because I was the 236 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: first one to get married, and I was ashamed that 237 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: I couldn't continue with something that I had made a 238 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 1: commitment to. That's that's how I felt. But I never 239 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: felt that from you guys, because maybe you knew it 240 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: was happening. 241 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 3: Oh no, I mean there's some things about him that 242 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 3: I really liked, and you know, I mean he was 243 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 3: very good to meet me, but I mean he was 244 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 3: also just you know, and if your beautiful daughters are 245 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 3: listening to this, this is not meant to be critical 246 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:58,679 Speaker 3: of your dad. It's just like some of the things 247 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:02,239 Speaker 3: that he wouldn't do for you from a career perspective, 248 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 3: and some of the things he did to you from 249 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 3: a personal perspective, or you. 250 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 2: Know, just not okay, So anyway, we'll just leave it 251 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 2: like that. But mine, Yeah, anyway. 252 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:27,079 Speaker 3: But so then your your next path was into your 253 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 3: next relationship, which was you know, it's almost like you 254 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:36,359 Speaker 3: you went, you went from the older guy to the younger. 255 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 2: Guy, like you went the absolute opposite direction. Yeah, like 256 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 2: you could. You went as polar opposite as humanly possible. 257 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: How do you think I navigated being a single mom? 258 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 1: I'm really genuinely curious, and you can criticis, but just gently. 259 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 3: You were you know, you were a single mom when 260 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 3: you were married to Jill. I mean, let's be honest, right, yes, yeh, 261 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 3: So I mean these are basically your kids that you've 262 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:17,439 Speaker 3: raised from birth by yourself. 263 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 2: He was around some but not a lot. 264 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 3: And I mean that's just an underappreciated thing that you 265 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 3: did and also trying to also. 266 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 2: I think in the back of your mind you. 267 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 3: Must have known that you may not work out with him, 268 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 3: and so you had to be prepared for the next 269 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 3: step of your life, and you navigated that being ready 270 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 3: for the next career step and then also raising the kids, 271 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 3: which was hard. You know. 272 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: It's funny that you say that, because a lot of 273 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 1: people when they when they're like, oh my god, like 274 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: on Housewives, are like, oh my god, You've written seven bucks, 275 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 1: You've done all these magazine and all that stuff. And 276 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: I I respond to that by saying, if I had 277 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: been in a loving marriage, do you think I would 278 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: have had the time to write seven books and to 279 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: start two magazines and to do all these things and 280 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: to be modeling. If I was in a loving marriage, 281 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: I would be focused on my husband, uh, not just 282 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: you know, doing having this extra free time when my 283 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 1: kids were at camp or school whatever to do these 284 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 1: other things. And so I think too, you know, it's 285 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: it's been Honestly, it's been very hard. Not personally but 286 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 1: professionally to constantly tell people that, you know, I did 287 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: it for the right reasons. And I again, I also 288 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: had you and Dad there for the girls. So when 289 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: we would come for Thanksgiving, when we would come for Christmas. 290 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you're you're such a patriarch, and 291 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 1: Dad was such a is also such a beautiful patriarch. 292 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 1: That my girls, whether they did things that were really 293 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: really great or really really naughty, you know, I think 294 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: that like it was just it has been so nice 295 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: for them to you know, be around be around you 296 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: and that male. That male, the male in the in girls' 297 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: lives is such an important, important human because it really 298 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: shapes the narrative for them in the future of how 299 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: they're going to work and love. You know, if they're 300 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: you know, they choose to be with a male that 301 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: you know, help what that relationship looks like. And so 302 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: you know, I'm so happy, you know, I'm just so 303 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 1: happy that they had that they had you and Dad. 304 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: But what did you think about when I went on Housewives? 305 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: What were your thoughts, remember, gentle, gentle, you know, gentle, I. 306 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 2: Thought it was amazing. You you know, you were great 307 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 2: on it. 308 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 3: Your natural You're intelligenic and fun to be around, and 309 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 3: I think it's wonderful. 310 00:16:57,400 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 2: I'm waiting. 311 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 3: I'm just ready for the I'm waiting for the next 312 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 3: step in your career past Housewives. 313 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 2: I think Housewives was the starting point for you, and 314 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 2: you got more in you. 315 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:13,439 Speaker 3: From that perspective, from whatever it is that video production 316 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 3: or video show or any type of the type of medium. 317 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:20,120 Speaker 3: I think you're going to do something else. I think 318 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 3: that's not the that's not the apex of your career. 319 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,159 Speaker 3: I think that's part of it, and there's going to 320 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,360 Speaker 3: be more and you've got a real talent and it's 321 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 3: going to be great. So I loved it, and it 322 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 3: was a little bit weird at the start because when 323 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:36,120 Speaker 3: Housewives was first on, it was very. 324 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 2: New and very popular and very controversial. 325 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 3: And I think one of the things why it got 326 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 3: so popular is because it caught people in those. 327 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 2: Awkward circumstances and you got caught for sure. 328 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 3: And now I just don't think it's just natural or 329 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 3: and you know, now they infew. 330 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 2: You know, there's alcohol is just in fee use at 331 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 2: such a high level. 332 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 3: I feel like, you know, purposely, I feel like but 333 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 3: I'm you know, I'm not there every day, so I 334 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 3: don't want to criticize. 335 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 1: Too much, but I mean, do you think that do 336 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 1: you think they saw the real meme? Uh? 337 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 2: Somewhat. Not no, not all the time, but somewhat. 338 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 1: So it's funny that you say that because I sent 339 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: I have my og group chat and I sent a 340 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 1: photo because I'm always like, Happy Mother's Day, Happy Valentine's Day, 341 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: Happy Tuesday, Happy Monday. How are you guys? YadA YadA. 342 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 1: I saw this and I'm always responding to the group 343 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:37,120 Speaker 1: chat and it's always crickets, except for when I sent 344 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: a photo of you. I said, it's my it's my 345 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: my twin and I have a birthday today, like have 346 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:52,199 Speaker 1: no idea. They go, they go, I knew who's in 347 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: the group giants like me, Luan, Sonya, Ramona, Jill, Drenda, 348 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: and they go, they go, who said that? Luan goes, 349 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 1: who's that chills are? And that's her twin brother And 350 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:09,879 Speaker 1: I can't remember what I think it was. Rona was 351 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:14,679 Speaker 1: like she has a twin, I'm like ladies leads and 352 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 1: Luian goes, he's very tall, he's very handsome. 353 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:19,919 Speaker 2: That's part of the problem with the show is it's 354 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 2: not is not sickle. Oh good god, what. 355 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: I called off my engagement last year? What were you 356 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: shocked or what were your thoughts? 357 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 2: I mean not really. 358 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: I just so like. 359 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:41,160 Speaker 3: His your relationship with him was I felt like there's 360 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 3: a lot of greatness in that, and there was. 361 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:45,120 Speaker 2: There was a lot of promise. 362 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:50,920 Speaker 3: Because I like being around him and and he shares, 363 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 3: you know, at some level, he shared a lot of 364 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 3: the values that I think you do and I do, 365 00:19:56,440 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 3: and Tracy and our family do, and so I was 366 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 3: kind of I was somewhat optimistic, but there was just 367 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 3: always a you know, a hesitance. 368 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 2: He is you know, is he going to be able? 369 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 2: Is he going to be able to continue to you. 370 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,479 Speaker 3: Know, move forward with the relationship as an adult and 371 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 3: like as a responsible adult and not that he was 372 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:27,360 Speaker 3: you know, adulteressts or drinking. 373 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 2: This is not I don't want to give your listeners 374 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 2: that idea. That's not who he is. 375 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 3: But you know, being a responsible adult is just doing 376 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 3: things you don't want to do, which is like going 377 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 3: to work every damn day and you know, producing for 378 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 3: your family and you know, making sure there's a place 379 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 3: for a roof over everyone's head that night. And I'm 380 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 3: not trying to say he didn't work, because he worked, 381 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:55,400 Speaker 3: no question. 382 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 1: You know what's interesting. People are like when they see 383 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 1: me on Instagram and I'm like, oh, I'm showing or 384 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: I'm here, I'm there, and they're like, you don't really 385 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:05,360 Speaker 1: work like work? I work every day. But remember when 386 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,400 Speaker 1: I was you know, when we talked about the prenup, 387 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: you know, you know you you were like, do you 388 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: remember what you said to me about the prenup? Not 389 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: really you said get it don't again? 390 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 2: Yeah I probably did. Yeah, I mean I just why not? 391 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 3: I mean, what, what's what's the hold up for you know, 392 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,919 Speaker 3: having an agreement in a relationship when you're you know, 393 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:37,880 Speaker 3: I'll just you know, spoiler alert post fifty for your. 394 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 2: Listeners, it's shock her fifty. 395 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 1: You're not supposed to say that. 396 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 2: No spoiler alert if you. 397 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: Just want to forty Tommy forty forty forty forty Yeah. 398 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. 399 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:55,159 Speaker 3: So anyway, like it sucks because he was you know, 400 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 3: he had a lot to offer, and I feel like, 401 00:21:57,640 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 3: you know, some of his family was you know, I 402 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 3: never met his mom. His mom sounded like a great 403 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 3: lady from what you from what you told me about her, 404 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 3: and was bored to meeting her, and you know, he 405 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 3: had a lot of he just has a lot of 406 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 3: things going, great things going for him. He's got beautiful kids, 407 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 3: and you know, he's going to figure it out for himself. 408 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 3: It's just, you know, I just think deep down inside 409 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 3: of it is just going to be hard for you were 410 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 3: just worried about, you know, just that day in and 411 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 3: day out grind of making your way through through life 412 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 3: was something I think you were a little bit worried about. 413 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 3: Not that there was anything imperfect about him, but like 414 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,239 Speaker 3: was it going to keep going? You know, was there 415 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 3: going to be a sustainability to hit you know, his 416 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 3: professional development? 417 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:47,400 Speaker 2: And you know, I. 418 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 1: Think too that's probably a lot of it too, is 419 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 1: from me and my insecurity and you know, constantly being 420 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: in the environment where I'm always reinventing myself. And that's 421 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: just been like a fear that I've had for so long, 422 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: is like constantly rein in renting myself and constantly being 423 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:08,679 Speaker 1: the main provider. And that was big, that was a 424 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 1: big problem. What is the what do you what do 425 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 1: you think some of the patterns are it? 426 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 2: I get what you're You're you're sort of talking around 427 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 2: in circles like. 428 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 3: A circus ride. But I mean it is true. You're 429 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 3: basically saying, is how am I going to support myself? 430 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 1: Yes? And without being yes, yes. 431 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,360 Speaker 2: It's really hard and so you. 432 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 1: Know, continue not how am I? How am I going 433 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:34,679 Speaker 1: to continue to do that? 434 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 2: Right? Important? 435 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 1: Yeah? So what kind of pattern to me? What tell me? 436 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: What are the patterns? What do you see in my patterns? 437 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:48,119 Speaker 1: Is it my Is it that I'm super immature? You 438 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:49,919 Speaker 1: can say yes, No, I really don't think so. 439 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 3: I mean, I really like you've had some of your relationships. 440 00:23:54,520 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 3: I mean, but I just, you know, like picking your 441 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 3: second long term relationship that was just a disastrous choice, 442 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 3: and you that just played into yours, that played it 443 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 3: and sort of played into the what you always told 444 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,160 Speaker 3: me about Jill's like I want to just be able 445 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 3: to I want to be with somebody that will take 446 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 3: me ice skating at Rockefeller PASA and do things like that. 447 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 3: So I felt like you thought that like marriage, and 448 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 3: you got married, you know, pretty young. Marriage should have 449 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 3: been a little bit more romantic in storybook, and you. 450 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 2: Know, I think there are moments like that. 451 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 3: But then I think you just were like, Okay, I'm 452 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 3: not married to Jilliemore, So I'm going to find the 453 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 3: storybook playing and you did. 454 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 1: Anyway, move into the next thing, Tommy, what do you 455 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 1: think of What do you think of Pascal? 456 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:45,640 Speaker 3: I mean, I listened to a little bit of Pascal. 457 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 3: I think he sounded just like Jill, which was just yucky. 458 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,879 Speaker 2: So that just no good, he asked me. 459 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,199 Speaker 1: He goes, so, he's like, what would you do on 460 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 1: our first date? And I said, in like in jest, 461 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,080 Speaker 1: and I said, I would take you to the my 462 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 1: Eiger Triangle to Gibson's to see my Playboy cover. And 463 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 1: he goes, what I said, I'm from rock Ford, Illinois, 464 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: and Gibson's is one of the most iconic restaurants in Chicago, 465 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,919 Speaker 1: and I am so proud that they actually wanted my 466 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 1: Playboy cover. And I'm like, I would take you there 467 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: to show off the cover. And he was so wildly offended. 468 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 2: Why would you say that? 469 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 1: Though it's funny, because it's funny obviously doing that, but 470 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 1: that was so funny, and I wanted to see what 471 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 1: he would say. 472 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 3: Sorry, Ummy, why would you say that? 473 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 2: That's just off putting, That's bizarre. Don't say that. Okay, 474 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 2: here's listeners join in and call in text and. 475 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 3: Again that's ridiculous, all right, keep going with your weirdness. 476 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: So what kind of guy? So, anyway, to make a 477 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: long story longer, Pascal we ended up seeing I ended 478 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: up seeing meeting with him when we were in San 479 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 1: Francisco and Napa Valley and he was very, very very nice, 480 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 1: and so I said to him, I was like, what 481 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 1: kind of what kind of hair dresser would uice to see? 482 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: How do you know what kind of hairdresser? Juice do 483 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 1: you see yourself like? And he said, orbe like's the 484 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 1: most iconic characters in the world. 485 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 2: You're losing me here. 486 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:26,640 Speaker 3: This is very sweet. 487 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 1: It was very very sweet, very sweet, very very sweet, 488 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:30,959 Speaker 1: very accomplished, very accomplished. 489 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 2: That's awesome. But you ruined that one. Why did you 490 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 2: ruin that? 491 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 1: What prescal thing about? 492 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 2: Boy? 493 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:39,879 Speaker 1: Because I was having fun? 494 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 2: That is dumb, though. 495 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 3: People don't want to hear that about the viagrate triangle. 496 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 2: That's just. 497 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:51,680 Speaker 1: I loved it. 498 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:57,200 Speaker 2: No, No, that is a disaster. That is going to be. 499 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 1: Time is going to be like the group chat with 500 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 1: my date and be like, she didn't mean it like that. 501 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 3: I just wish that the listeners could check chat in 502 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,160 Speaker 3: right now to support me so that you could get 503 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 3: other realization of how bizarre that is. 504 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 2: All right? 505 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: What kind of guy do you think I tend to 506 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: attract or date? Is there like a type or is 507 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,120 Speaker 1: there a personality trait that you think that I attract 508 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: or that I like? 509 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 3: I don't think so, I mean, I don't There was 510 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 3: the one guy you dated from North Carolina for a 511 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 3: long time that was very successful, but he was noncommittal. 512 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 3: I think you're looking for to accomplished people. That's a 513 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 3: good word. I think you are. And all those people 514 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 3: that everybody you've dated, except for the one guy pretty 515 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 3: accomplished that just you know, the question was some of 516 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 3: is that going to be sustainable? 517 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:07,160 Speaker 2: Is that going to keep going? And so I think 518 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:08,920 Speaker 2: you're looking for that. I think that's your trait. 519 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 3: You had that one twelve year blip with the guy 520 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 3: with the white jeans and the flip flops. 521 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 2: But other than that, what kind of guy? 522 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 1: What kind of guys should they date? 523 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 3: I think you should date someone who's honest with you 524 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 3: and themselves. You know what they want in their life 525 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 3: and what you want from your life, and and they're 526 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:37,640 Speaker 3: honest about it, and you know that they know who 527 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 3: they are, and they understand who you are and that 528 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 3: you can coexist together understanding that you know, there are 529 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 3: things that are important to you, so those things have 530 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 3: to continue. You want to continue doing your lifestyle and 531 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 3: continue to improve and be better every day at what 532 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 3: you're doing. 533 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 2: It's just who you are. You're not going to stop 534 00:28:58,800 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 2: doing that. 535 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 3: Or whoever it is has to has to understand that, 536 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 3: and then you probably have to understand. 537 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 2: It for them too. But I think you, I really 538 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 2: did think you would. 539 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 3: I mean if you had the professional person and the 540 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 3: accomplished person, and you know, I don't want your listeners 541 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 3: to think that you're out looking for mister wealthy. And 542 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 3: it's not that I don't think it didn't work out 543 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 3: with your engagement because you were afraid that he wasn't 544 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 3: going to be. 545 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 2: You know, mister Silicon Valley eye. 546 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 3: But I mean, you're just looking for someone that's going 547 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 3: to have stability and professional growth and looking for growth 548 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 3: as a person as an individual, like and setting goals together, 549 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 3: someone that's honest, So like setting lifetime goals. 550 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 2: I want to I want to be. 551 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,960 Speaker 3: Here with you in five or ten years, you know maybe, 552 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 3: and I talk about it this is this is kind 553 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 3: of where do we want to be in ten years? 554 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 2: Where do I want to be with you? What do 555 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 2: we want to do? Where do we want to live? 556 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting because like that's what I do 557 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 1: with seeing Teddy is I talk to them about like 558 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 1: what you know, in five years, what their plans are, 559 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 1: and like, you know, how I can help them. And 560 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: you know, we always talk together, but I've never had 561 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 1: that conversation with anyone. I've never asked anyone what they 562 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 1: were going to do or what, you know, what they 563 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 1: wanted to do. I mean with the girls, you know 564 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 1: sees like you know, mommy, now every now that I 565 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 1: had this great job and I'm feeling good about my 566 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 1: you know, financial success. You know, I once a year 567 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 1: I wanted, I want us to go on a great 568 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 1: trip with Teddy and you know, for us to do 569 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 1: these kind of things, and like, I mean it's just 570 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 1: I like, I've never heard that from anyone. So it's 571 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 1: also for me. It's just so amazing to you know, 572 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 1: think of my think of my daughters in that way. 573 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 1: But I also want them to you know, have their 574 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 1: own lives and to you know, be the best versions 575 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 1: of themselves. And I just want, you know, I want 576 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 1: to be there and watch every part of it. But 577 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 1: I've never never had that, never sent someone like, Okay, 578 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 1: in five years, we're going to go We're going to 579 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 1: be in flore you know, whatever it is, like Florida 580 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 1: or I know, Texas, wherever it is, Puerto Rico, wherever. 581 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 1: No one's ever ever had that conversation with me, well, 582 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 1: whoever asked me. I've ever even said, like what are 583 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 1: your thoughts? Like what do you what are the what 584 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 1: are your like lifetime goals or like even that any 585 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 1: of those kind of questions, I've never I've never even 586 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 1: kind of I never even thought of those. 587 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 3: It should it should be a natural conversation that just 588 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 3: involves with the person and with your breakup. You know. 589 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 3: The unfortunate thing about him is that he's not his 590 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 3: and that might be part of the reason for that breakup. 591 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 3: Is like his kids are so much younger than your kids. 592 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 3: He has one child that's still in elementary school and 593 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 3: two other kids that are not even to college yet. 594 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 2: So his life is completely unavailable. 595 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 3: He can't well, I mean I felt like he was 596 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 3: available as much as he could, but I mean I 597 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 3: almost felt like when he was with me, with. 598 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 2: Us, or like if he was at a holiday or whatever. 599 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 3: It felt a little guilty to me that he wasn't 600 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,720 Speaker 3: with his other kids, because I think his other kids 601 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 3: are amazing. 602 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 2: They're great kids, you know. 603 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 3: That was That's a loss for me, is those kids 604 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 3: not being able to see them because I just thought 605 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 3: they were impressive. And he's a good dad that way, 606 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 3: and love those kids. So but the problem coming back, 607 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 3: I'm doing my circle. 608 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 2: Like you did. 609 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 3: Is the point is maybe he wasn't ready to talk 610 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 3: about those long term goals because he couldn't see past 611 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 3: getting kids through high school. 612 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 2: Really, so we need. 613 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 3: To find somebody that's honest with themselves and honest with 614 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 3: you and you know, can see can see a future 615 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 3: like where we're going to go? 616 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 2: What are we going to do? 617 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,719 Speaker 3: And it doesn't have to be like are we going 618 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 3: to move somewhere else, but like what do we want 619 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 3: to you know, do we want to take Like should 620 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 3: we plan a trip next year? Should we you know, 621 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 3: do we want to what do we want to do 622 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 3: for our holidays? 623 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 2: You know? 624 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 1: You know what's interesting is that like when I said 625 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 1: to him, you know, when we were talking, you know, 626 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 1: because I've never never been on a honeymoon, and so 627 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 1: I said, you know, because we're, you know, taking off 628 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 1: to get married. I said, why don't we take all 629 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 1: the kids to Disneyland for our for our basic for 630 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 1: our honeymoon. And he kind of looked at me. It's crazy. 631 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 1: But I wanted to do something for us, like all 632 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 1: of us. I didn't want to just do something that 633 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 1: was like him and I just going off and going 634 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 1: on a trip and coming back and being like, Okay, 635 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 1: I want to do something that would like really was 636 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 1: like family building. That's no, I know, but I've never 637 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 1: been on a honeymoon. I don't even know what honeymoon's life. 638 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 3: Honeymoon is simple. You go away and kind of a 639 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 3: week with your new bride and then you come home 640 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 3: or a husband. 641 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 1: I mean, what do you mean, Well, I never did that, 642 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 1: So I mean, if you don't remember, I got married 643 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 1: and then my ex husband went off and I don't 644 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 1: know if he went to like fashion Week or something. 645 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 2: I don't remember that. 646 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 1: But Kelly Tommy, do you think I should get married again? No? 647 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 2: Wait, I forgot about that. 648 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 3: I forgot about that about him going to fashion week, 649 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 3: And that is horrible. 650 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:21,319 Speaker 2: How do you not you know, have a honeymoon, even 651 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:22,919 Speaker 2: if it's a couple of days. 652 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 1: I never we went. I never went on hoymoon. 653 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 2: Well, and that's just part of the reason why. That 654 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 2: was just you know, there was a lot of things 655 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 2: that were just not going to be successful there that, 656 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:34,719 Speaker 2: you know, I. 657 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 3: Mean, the fact that that was not a consideration for 658 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 3: him is hard. 659 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 2: That's really hard. 660 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 3: And that's just I'm getting emotional thinking about it. 661 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 2: Kelly. I'm just so sorry. That is interesting a broken 662 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:48,760 Speaker 2: part of your life. 663 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I honestly feel like and maybe this is 664 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 1: like maybe just like talking to you about this is 665 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 1: maybe like maybe having me come to a realization that 666 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,920 Speaker 1: you know, like I I didn't have to you know, 667 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:02,839 Speaker 1: you or my twin brother, I didn't have to take 668 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 1: care of you. You took care of yourself and we 669 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:09,360 Speaker 1: did things together. But I always felt that I always, 670 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,839 Speaker 1: like with Jille, I always had to take care of him. 671 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 1: I always had to organize everything. I had to like 672 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:15,960 Speaker 1: you know, when he came back, I had to make 673 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 1: sure that like you know, he had like you know, 674 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,399 Speaker 1: a place, a good place to live and a place 675 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 1: to do things, and you know, there was an environment 676 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 1: for him that he you know, he had friends, and 677 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 1: I was always taking care of him, and that obviously 678 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 1: taking care of my girls. And just some people are 679 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,440 Speaker 1: nurtures and some people are I happened to be a nurturer. 680 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 1: I happened to love making sure that people are healthy 681 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 1: and happy and successful. It's just like part of. 682 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 2: Who I am. 683 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 1: But I realized because when I started this whole process, 684 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,359 Speaker 1: I said to my producer, I was like, I'd love 685 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:51,880 Speaker 1: to do this podcast, but I'm not going to do 686 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,080 Speaker 1: it if I don't go through therapy. And so I started, 687 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 1: you know, I was doing I was going through therapy 688 00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,000 Speaker 1: and being on the podcast at the same time. And 689 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:03,759 Speaker 1: one thing that I realized is that I don't want 690 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,439 Speaker 1: to be in a relationship where I'm nurturing the other 691 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 1: person because that just puts me again. I'm off, I'm 692 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 1: always on my back foot. I'm always like how do 693 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,600 Speaker 1: I how do I? How do I take care of things? 694 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,520 Speaker 1: How do I organize things? How do I? And I 695 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,919 Speaker 1: just don't want that in the next chapter of my life. 696 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,480 Speaker 1: I want to I just want to feel like I'm 697 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,640 Speaker 1: in a hug. I just want to like come home 698 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,040 Speaker 1: and be like, oh, I don't want to be. You know, 699 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 1: it's like I've always been I'm gonna start crying, but 700 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,600 Speaker 1: I've always felt so alone. 701 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:39,080 Speaker 2: And you're not alone, Keilly. 702 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,560 Speaker 3: I know you are people that love me, including me, 703 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,640 Speaker 3: I know, kids in your kids. 704 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:45,799 Speaker 2: But. 705 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 3: Thank you you're so let's go back to the answer 706 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:55,719 Speaker 3: to the original question, which is should you get married again? 707 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,799 Speaker 3: And you were kind of asking it in a funny way, 708 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 3: and absolutely, one hundred percent you should get married again. Now, 709 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,839 Speaker 3: you're a therapist who is probably some New York crack 710 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,759 Speaker 3: pot will probably say that's wrong, but I don't really care. 711 00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,200 Speaker 1: No, she actually said you should get married for the 712 00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:14,480 Speaker 1: first time, is what she said. 713 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:16,120 Speaker 2: Okay, well, you. 714 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,000 Speaker 3: Know, I mean I'm a lawyer, so I don't know 715 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,040 Speaker 3: about this stuff, but you know, but I mean, it 716 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 3: just seems like to me that having a mate is 717 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:25,360 Speaker 3: really important, you know. 718 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,560 Speaker 2: And I was some we were having I was having 719 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:29,400 Speaker 2: a conversation with me. 720 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:33,279 Speaker 3: About like there are people that have gotten that that 721 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:37,360 Speaker 3: have been widowed or you know, and and or older, 722 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,879 Speaker 3: and they're like, oh, I'm not gonna get why would 723 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:41,840 Speaker 3: I get married again? 724 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:44,240 Speaker 2: You know, I don't want to get married again. 725 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 3: It just I think to myself and maybe I'm a 726 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,640 Speaker 3: dumb asset, but I'm like, why wouldn't you want to 727 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,680 Speaker 3: get married again? Why do you not want to have 728 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,160 Speaker 3: that person that cares for you every day that you 729 00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,880 Speaker 3: can count on that you've got that text from or 730 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 3: that call from or like it's what We're going to 731 00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,279 Speaker 3: do something together and it's going to be good. 732 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,359 Speaker 2: May not be quick all the time, but a lot 733 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,160 Speaker 2: of times it's going to be good. So yes, you 734 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,279 Speaker 2: should get married again. And I'm glad. I'm smart. Like 735 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 2: the therapist. 736 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,719 Speaker 1: Married for the first time she met, like have like 737 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,040 Speaker 1: a real marriage, like a real She's like, that's what 738 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,480 Speaker 1: you always wanted to the family, for your family. She's like, 739 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,480 Speaker 1: go and get it. I'm like, Okay, I agree with her. 740 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,880 Speaker 3: Maybe she's not as crazy crock Pat crock Pat or 741 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:33,319 Speaker 3: whatever a New Yorker as I said. 742 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,000 Speaker 2: Maybe she does some sense. 743 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,960 Speaker 1: So since I've been on the podcast, have you noticed anything? 744 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,000 Speaker 1: I mean we have, I haven't gotten to see you 745 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,480 Speaker 1: that much this year, But have you noticed anything different 746 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:43,960 Speaker 1: about me? 747 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:54,000 Speaker 2: They're like, no, yes, is that the right answer? No? 748 00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 1: Do you think I'm more open? Do you think I'm funnier? 749 00:38:59,440 --> 00:38:59,840 Speaker 1: Maybe not? 750 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,320 Speaker 2: You know, I don't think there's been a big change. 751 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:09,080 Speaker 3: But I do feel like you, you know, you've you've 752 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,480 Speaker 3: got to give yourself a chance to be with somebody that. 753 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,799 Speaker 2: You know, you got to give somebody a chance, and 754 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,319 Speaker 2: they got to give you a chance. 755 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:21,200 Speaker 3: And and you know, it's really difficult. 756 00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:21,680 Speaker 2: You know. 757 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,400 Speaker 3: The one thing that that Dips Pascal said on that 758 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:25,880 Speaker 3: podcast I did agree with. 759 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:26,799 Speaker 2: I kind of liked it. 760 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:27,799 Speaker 1: What did he say? 761 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,040 Speaker 3: He said that, you know, if you're going to go 762 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,319 Speaker 3: out with people, you shouldn't always expect that this you're 763 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:33,919 Speaker 3: going to go out. 764 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,080 Speaker 2: On a date and meet your future mate. 765 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,520 Speaker 3: You should go into it with the expectation that maybe 766 00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,320 Speaker 3: I'm going to meet somebody or make a friend, which 767 00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,040 Speaker 3: you know, secretly, I think if you're going on on 768 00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,160 Speaker 3: a date, you kind of have that hope right that 769 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:48,880 Speaker 3: I'm going to meet the person that I'm going to 770 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,080 Speaker 3: you know, hopefully this will turn into romantic. 771 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,239 Speaker 2: Yeah. But I guess really. 772 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,120 Speaker 3: For I guess what he maybe what he's really trying 773 00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:56,840 Speaker 3: to say is, look, don't put so much pressure on 774 00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,600 Speaker 3: it when you go out with somebody, you know, don't 775 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:02,480 Speaker 3: give them the a whole bunch of questions. Just find 776 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:06,799 Speaker 3: out about them, and you know, let them find out 777 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,080 Speaker 3: a little bit about you, and you know, just kind 778 00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,160 Speaker 3: of be honest because at this point in your life, 779 00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,279 Speaker 3: just you know, I think honesty's the best policy to say. Look, 780 00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:19,120 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm after a future. You know, you seem great. 781 00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,680 Speaker 3: Can we do this together? What are you after? And 782 00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:25,200 Speaker 3: if the guy is just like a social climber or 783 00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,920 Speaker 3: somebody that just wants to, you know, get his picture 784 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:29,759 Speaker 3: taken with you, then you know you'll figure that out 785 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:30,440 Speaker 3: pretty quickly. 786 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,000 Speaker 1: It's interesting because one of my friends on the podcast's 787 00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:34,840 Speaker 1: her name is Cheryl Burke and she's on Dancing with 788 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:36,880 Speaker 1: the Stars and she is such an amazing human. I 789 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:38,640 Speaker 1: love her so much. And she said that she's like 790 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,400 Speaker 1: Cheryl Brooke, Cheryl Brooke from Dancing. Sorry, she's amazing. I 791 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:41,799 Speaker 1: love her. 792 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:47,919 Speaker 2: She celebates an incredible dancer. Should watch her all the time. Lohh, 793 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:48,279 Speaker 2: my god. 794 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,759 Speaker 1: She's so cool and we've become really good friends. And 795 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,680 Speaker 1: she said to me, she was like, I she goes, 796 00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,000 Speaker 1: you need to ask more questions, and she goes, not, 797 00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,000 Speaker 1: she goes, some people are like you have to ask, 798 00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,759 Speaker 1: like how many kids? Like all these things. She's like, no, no, no, 799 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,720 Speaker 1: she goes, you're not answering asking the right questions. She goes, 800 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,200 Speaker 1: if a guy is divorced, you can ask, Okay, why 801 00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,200 Speaker 1: are you divorced? But she goes, don't go into it. 802 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,799 Speaker 1: She goes, the way he tells you, you know why 803 00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,320 Speaker 1: he's got divorced. So it's like whether there was infidelity, 804 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,920 Speaker 1: if there's no sex or whatever it was. So I 805 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:24,160 Speaker 1: really really love that my friend Deanna, we've become really 806 00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,240 Speaker 1: really good friends after spending a lot of time together. 807 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:30,719 Speaker 1: And she was telling me how she doesn't know that 808 00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:32,640 Speaker 1: if she would ever get married, you know again, and 809 00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,640 Speaker 1: if she did, she did from having a prenap, which 810 00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:36,920 Speaker 1: is all these things are great. But she was really 811 00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:39,799 Speaker 1: good too with me and saying that, like and she's 812 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:41,520 Speaker 1: done a lot of work on herself, and she just 813 00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,880 Speaker 1: said that like that I'm not asking the right questions 814 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,680 Speaker 1: and that I need to listen what they're saying and 815 00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:49,239 Speaker 1: move on. And you know, you just said that, you 816 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,520 Speaker 1: said the same thing. You said, like you need to 817 00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,400 Speaker 1: find out like what their goals are, like what do 818 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:55,839 Speaker 1: you want to sail for the rest of your life 819 00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,759 Speaker 1: or you know, to the sunset? Like are you, you know, 820 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,560 Speaker 1: in a ten year plan of work? Like what did it? 821 00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:02,319 Speaker 3: Is it? So? 822 00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,920 Speaker 2: I agree with Deanna, you need a prenup. You need this, 823 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:06,400 Speaker 2: you need that. 824 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:10,000 Speaker 3: Maybe you to need a prenup right with that particular 825 00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:11,359 Speaker 3: last relationship you need? 826 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:15,000 Speaker 1: Yes, but agreed, agreed. I wouldn't. I don't know if 827 00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,520 Speaker 1: I would. There's there would be. There are certain situations 828 00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:19,400 Speaker 1: where I probably might. I wouldn't get a prenup. 829 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:21,360 Speaker 3: I mean you might go in and figure out that 830 00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,720 Speaker 3: maybe you don't need it, and right, you know, anyway, 831 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:26,200 Speaker 3: I just don't. 832 00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,400 Speaker 2: I don't think you should go. I'm not getting married again. 833 00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:30,560 Speaker 2: I'm going to get a prenup. I'm doing this, I'm 834 00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:31,719 Speaker 2: doing that. Maybe I don't know. 835 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,560 Speaker 1: No, no, no, no no, I'm open to it. 836 00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:34,960 Speaker 2: All. 837 00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,160 Speaker 1: I know that I know my person is out there. 838 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,280 Speaker 1: I love you, Tommy. Do you have any parting advice 839 00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,880 Speaker 1: Tommy to give to my listeners on I Tube perdue. 840 00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,040 Speaker 1: They are gonna love you, They're going to eat you up. 841 00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:53,000 Speaker 2: What's notts of love advice? You get out there and 842 00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,040 Speaker 2: find it, listeners. It's out there for you. 843 00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:58,680 Speaker 3: There are great people all over this country waiting to meet. 844 00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,480 Speaker 2: You, So go find them and be happy. I love you, Kelly, so. 845 00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:06,479 Speaker 1: Love you Tommy, Happy birthday, Happy Birthday. This has been 846 00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:11,040 Speaker 1: so much fun. Thank you Tommy for coming on the podcast. 847 00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,760 Speaker 1: Are you single after a divorce and needing some guidance? 848 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:18,200 Speaker 1: I am here to help. 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