WEBVTT - Five Things About the 2024 U.S. Open with Shane Bacon

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<v Speaker 1>I miss a green, for example, I'm already upset.

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<v Speaker 2>When I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I find my ball.

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<v Speaker 1>In a brid egg Friday egg, the dreaded Friday Friday,

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<v Speaker 1>Frida egggg fridagg bride egg Lie, I'm about ready to

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<v Speaker 1>run off of the hump course.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to another edition of the Friday Golf Podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>I am your host, Andy Johnson. It is the US Open.

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<v Speaker 2>We are here US Open Week at Sunday, the US Open.

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<v Speaker 2>I am pumped. We are gonna be playing this at

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<v Speaker 2>Pinehurst number two this year. It'll be the first of

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<v Speaker 2>a run of five appearances for Pinehurst number two in

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<v Speaker 2>the next twenty five years. So it should be a

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<v Speaker 2>big tail tell sign of how major championships, particularly the

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<v Speaker 2>US Open, is going to play out over the next

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a couple of years. And to do our

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<v Speaker 2>traditional five things about this major podcast, we have get

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<v Speaker 2>a Griff podcast Host Shane Bacon KFT Corn Corn Ferry Tour.

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<v Speaker 2>You know announcer Shane Bacon, a man that wears many hats,

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<v Speaker 2>founder of Grounder Repair, Logo Redesign Business. You know, a

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<v Speaker 2>man of many talents. Shane Bacon. Welcome on the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Andy. That is quite an intro, my goodness. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>that's like one of the best most professional ones you've

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<v Speaker 1>ever done. No children's book author.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. Yeah, there's too many.

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<v Speaker 1>Us USAM qualifier didn't break eighty at USAM. You didn't

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<v Speaker 1>get any of that stuff in there, Like you can't

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<v Speaker 1>get that in I'm so pumped to be joined by you. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you're are you a hot coffee guy? You're you're holding

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<v Speaker 1>your cofee guy about right now? Are you only hot

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<v Speaker 1>coffee guy? Or do you get into iced ever?

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<v Speaker 2>Look at this sea cup? Nice, I use this. I

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<v Speaker 2>use this cup specifically for this podcast about the US Open.

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<v Speaker 2>I decided to go with the US Open coffee mug.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, one of the great things about where I live,

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<v Speaker 2>I think one of the greatest, most underrated, under talked

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<v Speaker 2>about things, is that you have basically the perfect coffee

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<v Speaker 2>climate where in the mornings I go hot coffee because

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<v Speaker 2>you know, mornings I wake up it's usually about, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>sub sixty degrees, and then if I need an afternoon jolt,

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<v Speaker 2>I always go ice coffee and it'll be you know,

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<v Speaker 2>sixty plus degrees, perfect weather for ice coffee. I like that,

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<v Speaker 2>what are you? Are you ice coffee? Like I think

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<v Speaker 2>if I was in Chicago, the way my my coffee

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<v Speaker 2>works in Chicago is summer was like exclusively ice coffee.

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<v Speaker 2>I used to make ice coffee. Now I don't. I

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<v Speaker 2>can't put the ice coffee into the fridge or else

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<v Speaker 2>I am going to be drinking too much coffee. So

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<v Speaker 2>I like have to like require myself to leave to

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<v Speaker 2>go get an afternoon coffee. Otherwise I will just drink

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<v Speaker 2>afternoon coffee. Does that make sense. I'm not a big

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<v Speaker 2>fan of drinking afternoon coffee. I only do it when

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<v Speaker 2>I need to do stuff. What's your coffee behavior?

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, we're both partners with our good friends

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<v Speaker 1>a good walk who do just an amazing, amazing job

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<v Speaker 1>with their coffee. I will make the cold brew out

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<v Speaker 1>of their coffee. I'll get the ground coffee and then

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<v Speaker 1>make it with the toddy cold brew system. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty much a coldbrew guy at this point. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>have I'll have hot coffee on golf trips, like if

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<v Speaker 1>you're abandoned or you know, I was just up in Wisconsin,

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<v Speaker 1>like Aaron Hills has great coffee in their cabins. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>I'll have hot coffee there, but if I'm at home,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm likely going to have a cold brew that I

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<v Speaker 1>make with good walk or I'm gonna go out and

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<v Speaker 1>get like a Starbucks cold verse like that, which I'm

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<v Speaker 1>heavy right now because I'm on the road. I'm doing

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<v Speaker 1>corn ferry this week, headed into the US Open, by

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<v Speaker 1>the way.

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<v Speaker 2>At this point, At this point, I think the cold

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<v Speaker 2>brew might be the only drinkable Starbucks coffee.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's a very fair point to say. Andy,

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<v Speaker 1>guess how many guys in the KFT event this week

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<v Speaker 1>are playing in the US Open next week. I bet

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<v Speaker 1>you can't get it right.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't. I know I'm not going to get the

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<v Speaker 2>number right, but I was looking through it. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you've got like Tim Widing, you got Isaiah by.

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<v Speaker 1>The way, is how we say that now?

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<v Speaker 2>Now?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I like it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I'm gonna stick with Widing because I like

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<v Speaker 2>how skinny is with a name Widing. He's a very

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<v Speaker 2>slender guy, and I think it just ruins the whole.

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<v Speaker 2>Like you know, I always love when you when you

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<v Speaker 2>have names that contradict the appearance of someone you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree, agree, wholeheartedly. We had seven guys in the

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<v Speaker 1>field at the BN you were.

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<v Speaker 2>Playing Frankie Frankie kappin Sapin well Saffin again. I I

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<v Speaker 2>like the idea of Frankie kappin the second being a

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<v Speaker 2>mob boss. So we're gonna start this with me, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>being disrespectful to all these people's names, but you know,

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<v Speaker 2>some sometimes you got to look at the name and say, like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>I could I could really make a name for myself

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<v Speaker 2>if I if I leaned into this, look at.

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<v Speaker 1>You, look at you go, Yeah, seven guys in the

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<v Speaker 1>KFT event or playing uh playing US Open next week,

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<v Speaker 1>and then of course you got ben Cole's in the

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<v Speaker 1>field because he was number one on the KFT points list,

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<v Speaker 1>so KFT represented next to next week at the at

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<v Speaker 1>the US Open.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think I should change the way my name's

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<v Speaker 2>pronounced to Andy Onnsen j J s.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe Hanson Hanson.

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<v Speaker 2>You could go with I'm I'm Shane Mason, because.

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<v Speaker 1>It would be epic if I did do a different

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<v Speaker 1>pronunciation of bacon, which has never existed in the history.

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<v Speaker 1>I will get this, Andy, I will get people occasionally

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<v Speaker 1>that ask kind of spell my last name and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>there's only one way, dude, There's only one way. I

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<v Speaker 1>got nothing else for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's uh, that was one of my things, one

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<v Speaker 2>of my things, I think kind of how I'll always

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<v Speaker 2>remember Xander, our most recent major champion, the champion of

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<v Speaker 2>the PGA Championship last month, How I will always remember him.

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<v Speaker 2>I will always remember watching him, Cameron Champ and Trey

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<v Speaker 2>Mullnax play the first round at Aaron Hill's US Open.

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<v Speaker 2>They were basically three qualifiers. I think maybe Champ might

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<v Speaker 2>have had some exemption, but I think they were three qualifiers.

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<v Speaker 2>They were at the end of the bus on Thursday afternoon,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were all playing pretty good golf. I think

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<v Speaker 2>moll Nax and Xander in particular were playing great golf,

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<v Speaker 2>and Xander kept it going and it was really the

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<v Speaker 2>standout early per performance in his PGA Tour career that

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<v Speaker 2>launched him into really a star. He became a star

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<v Speaker 2>shortly after he carried that performance, that confidence they gained

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<v Speaker 2>from the US Open, which he qualified into into a

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<v Speaker 2>you know what, became a really stout major championship career

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<v Speaker 2>up to his win at the PGA Championship. So Xander

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<v Speaker 2>Schaffley is like a great example of what qualifying for

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<v Speaker 2>a major can provide these there are a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>world class talents that have qualified into this tournament that

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't be in the Masters because you have to have

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<v Speaker 2>be a world class talent with world class results to

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<v Speaker 2>get into the Masters. The PGA is a similar where

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the only way you're qualifying in is with results.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a championship that allows world class players to

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<v Speaker 2>qualify in. It allows world class amateurs like yourself to

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<v Speaker 2>get into sectional qualifying and have a chance to qualify in.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think, like one of my big stories, and

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<v Speaker 2>this is what I love about the US Open, is

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<v Speaker 2>the idea of like, are we going to see a

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<v Speaker 2>qualifier make a run and have a Xander like jump

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<v Speaker 2>coming off of a run. It's one of the things

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<v Speaker 2>that you love about sports. It's you know, you have

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<v Speaker 2>occasionally players that get a ten day contract with a

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<v Speaker 2>team and parlay you know, in the NBA, and parlay

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<v Speaker 2>it into a long NBA career. This is kind of

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<v Speaker 2>golf's version of that, where you know, whether it's Monday

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<v Speaker 2>qualifying on the PGA Tour and turning into hot run

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<v Speaker 2>that gets you a card eventually the US Open could

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<v Speaker 2>be one of that of one of those moments. And

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<v Speaker 2>I pulled a couple of names that just just to watch,

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<v Speaker 2>and like, how I thought about this was like super

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<v Speaker 2>talented players who haven't necessarily been on the big stage,

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<v Speaker 2>and it could be they've been beat up a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit by the process of getting to the PGA Tour

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<v Speaker 2>that could be there on the PGA Tour, they just

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<v Speaker 2>haven't had a breakout, real breakout performance. Four. I have

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<v Speaker 2>four names here. Isaiah Selinda, former Walker Cupper, plays on

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<v Speaker 2>the corn Ferry Tour at you know, just a weird time.

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<v Speaker 2>He stayed amateur rather than turn pro to play in

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<v Speaker 2>a Walker Cup. And this is a guy that was

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<v Speaker 2>his peers have all like his peers, people that were

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<v Speaker 2>thought of to be of the same level have are

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<v Speaker 2>basically all on the PGA Tour, all having very strong careers.

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<v Speaker 2>To point to this point, he kind of got beat

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<v Speaker 2>up by the system, didn't have a place to play,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, when he didn't get through Q school. Then

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<v Speaker 2>COVID hit and he was basically froze out of any

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<v Speaker 2>form of golf. And he's super super talented kid, hits

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<v Speaker 2>it long and someone you know, he's already won. He

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<v Speaker 2>won on the corn Ferry Tour this year. So when

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<v Speaker 2>I expect to be playing the PGA Tour for fifteen years.

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<v Speaker 1>And Andy on that too easy to forget that Isaiah

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<v Speaker 1>played excellent in the amateur at Pineers number two back

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty nineteen. I mean, this is a guy that

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<v Speaker 1>made the round of sixteen and you know it ran

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<v Speaker 1>into one of the other great young players that were

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<v Speaker 1>in the field that week to lose and not advance

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<v Speaker 1>to the quarterfinals. But has experienced in piners number two,

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<v Speaker 1>has experienced in USGA Championships around pine ER's number two,

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<v Speaker 1>which I think is going to be really really important.

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<v Speaker 1>This feels like Andy and you would know better than me.

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<v Speaker 1>This feels like a golf course where the more you

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<v Speaker 1>play it, the better you understand, like where to go

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<v Speaker 1>and where not to go. And to me, I think that.

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<v Speaker 2>Could be a good thing or a bad thing there.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think for the pros it's a good thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I think for idiots like you and me, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>so good. But you know, I just I think that

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<v Speaker 1>seeing this place the way it played, I was out

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<v Speaker 1>there covering it for the amateur. I mean, it was spicy,

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<v Speaker 1>it was firm, was what you'd expect pinor number two

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<v Speaker 1>to be, so I think him being involved in that

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<v Speaker 1>is also a good thing for his his chances.

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<v Speaker 2>Another name along the same lines and his former teammate

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<v Speaker 2>Brandon Wu who plays on the PGA Tour. He was

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<v Speaker 2>the medallist at that usam uh he qualified in out

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<v Speaker 2>of the Dallas one with all the pros. Just another

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<v Speaker 2>name he played on tour. Obviously a very decorated amateur

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<v Speaker 2>career and has been on the PGA Tour for a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of years, just hasn't broken through. Another name, Rico Hooey,

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<v Speaker 2>who played great on the corn Ferry Tour last year.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he hasn't had a ton of starts on

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<v Speaker 2>the PGA Tour. It's kind of a weird year, I think,

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<v Speaker 2>to be a PGA Tour rookie coming out of the

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<v Speaker 2>corn Ferry Tour.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, if you want to play golf, it's a weird year.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very strange year. And then the last one who

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<v Speaker 2>I think like, I think you look at like the

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<v Speaker 2>live players and I think a lot of them have

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<v Speaker 2>have probably maybe regressed a little since they went there.

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<v Speaker 2>But a young player who I've been super impressed with

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<v Speaker 2>who I think has really worked, who's improving at a

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<v Speaker 2>very quick rate, is David Pouche, young Spanish player, and

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<v Speaker 2>he qualified in. I think he's he's been like super

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<v Speaker 2>what's been impressed about him. He's playing on this tour

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<v Speaker 2>where you know, money is no no object of anybody,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, concern of anybody that's playing somewhat good golf there.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's been out grinding on the Asian Tour in

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<v Speaker 2>weeks off trying to up his world ranking. He clearly

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<v Speaker 2>wants to. I think he's got This is all anecdotal

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<v Speaker 2>just for observer from Afar. It seems like this guy

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<v Speaker 2>wants to be a world class player, and by what

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<v Speaker 2>I mean a world class player playing in major championships.

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<v Speaker 2>So he qualified in, was the medalist at Lake Mercaid,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm I'm super interested to watch him continue evolve.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he's only like at twenty one years old

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<v Speaker 2>right now, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Well so so that that kind of leads into something

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<v Speaker 1>I have as one of my five things Andy, because

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<v Speaker 1>I think you're you're onto something here. I mean the

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<v Speaker 1>US Open, It's it's one of the great events in sports.

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<v Speaker 1>Because of what you just said, young players can qualify

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<v Speaker 1>in Guys like Ben James, you know who I think

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<v Speaker 1>is is headed quickly to the PGA Tour, I mean metalist,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, shoots sixty four in the second round there

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<v Speaker 1>to qualify for the US Open, made it run last

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<v Speaker 1>year at the US Amate, a great young player. And

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<v Speaker 1>then I was thinking about some of the maybe maybe

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<v Speaker 1>more notable names that qualified through sectionals, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>Harry Higgs is obviously an easy pick considering the way

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<v Speaker 1>he's played on the corn Ferry Tour over the last month,

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<v Speaker 1>couple of wins there. I feel like Harry's got a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of confidence coming in feels a little andy like

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<v Speaker 1>what we saw with Jason Gore years ago. And Jason

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<v Speaker 1>Gore is playing awesome golf I think at the time

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<v Speaker 1>on the web dot Com Tour, and then gets to

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<v Speaker 1>the US Open and contends and you know, gets some stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he was in the final pairing on Sunday

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<v Speaker 1>there at bet Page Black. And then Zach Blair I

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<v Speaker 1>think is a name we should obviously, you know, focus

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<v Speaker 1>on as well, just considering how good the short game is.

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<v Speaker 1>The piner's number two. As we know, we'll test a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of pitch shots and shots around the greens. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think you've got to be overly long to play

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<v Speaker 1>well at Piner's number two, especially as firm and as

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<v Speaker 1>fast as it is it's expecting to play. So I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like zb coming in with the way he's been

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<v Speaker 1>playing as somebody to at least circle if you're looking,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe outside the top thirty names in terms of favorites.

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<v Speaker 1>But one of the things I wrote down Andy is

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<v Speaker 1>Pineer's number two US Opens. Every time they've had a

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<v Speaker 1>US Open there, we've had a random guy in the mix.

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<v Speaker 1>So I wrote down, who's going to be the random

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<v Speaker 1>guy in the mix this year? So twenty fourteen it

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<v Speaker 1>was Eric Compton, if you remember in the mix, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean nobody was going to catch Kimer, but Eric Compton

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<v Speaker 1>I think finished third. That week five was our champion.

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<v Speaker 1>Was the random guy in the mix, Michael Campbell, and

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<v Speaker 1>then ninety nine it was Tim Herron was in the

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<v Speaker 1>mix kind of with Payne, Phil and Tiger going into

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<v Speaker 1>that Sunday. So who's going to be the random player

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<v Speaker 1>for this US Open? I looked at ben On. He's

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<v Speaker 1>played great golf, not excellent golf, and I'm not sold

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<v Speaker 1>on the short game. There, So I think my random guy.

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<v Speaker 1>I was kind of going through the names and the

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<v Speaker 1>odds and some of these players on who I think

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<v Speaker 1>has a chance that's maybe well off the list of

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<v Speaker 1>players you'd expect to contend, and I think I've landed

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<v Speaker 1>on Alex Norn. I'm very consistent this season, finished t

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<v Speaker 1>for T twelfth at the PGA, and I was looking

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<v Speaker 1>at his numbers Andy, and they're pretty remarkable. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>Tita Green on the PGA Tour this year, he's eleventh

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<v Speaker 1>off the T forty second approach, twenty sixth around the green, ninth,

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<v Speaker 1>he's fourth in stross game total. I mean that's obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>when you combine everything and look at great numbers, very impressive.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you're up there with guys like Scotti and

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<v Speaker 1>Xander and Rory when you're landing fourth. So I feel like,

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<v Speaker 1>as I'm looking at who's going to be the next

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<v Speaker 1>rant quote unquote random player to make a run of

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<v Speaker 1>the US Open at Pinehurst, considering it's happened every time

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<v Speaker 1>we've gone to Pinehurst, number two, I think my guy

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<v Speaker 1>is Alex Nornah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's played unbelievable golf. I think I meant to

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<v Speaker 2>do this at the top. But here's a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of the championship history of Pineers. Number two for those

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<v Speaker 2>that aren't. You touched on it a little bit. So

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<v Speaker 2>you have twenty fourteen, most recently Martin Kaimer wins at

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<v Speaker 2>minus nine, Fowler and Compton are at minus one, and

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<v Speaker 2>then you have Keegan, Jason Day, DJ Brooks and Henrik

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<v Speaker 2>Stenson at plus one. So big lift separations.

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<v Speaker 1>Andy Brooks just sneaking in there, man, just total.

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<v Speaker 2>That was like the first big big Brooks moment.

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<v Speaker 1>So crazy. It's like these little moments, like a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit what you talked on, you touched on with Xander

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<v Speaker 1>at Aaron Hills. It's these little moments when you're a nope,

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<v Speaker 1>quote unquote nobody in golf and you just have this

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<v Speaker 1>moment at this stage and you go, Okay, I can

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<v Speaker 1>contend here, and then you know three years later you

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<v Speaker 1>want to us opened very interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Two thousand and five, Michael Campbell wins at even, Tiger

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<v Speaker 2>is at plus two, Tim Clark's Orgio and Mark Hensby.

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<v Speaker 2>If you if you didn't go Tim Harron, you could

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<v Speaker 2>have gone Mark Hensby there. I guess Tim Harron was

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<v Speaker 2>ninety nine ninety nine.

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<v Speaker 1>He was he was a little bit more in the

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<v Speaker 1>hunt through three rounds.

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<v Speaker 2>But yes, yes, Hensby at plus five and then ninety nine.

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<v Speaker 2>Payne Stewart wins obviously a historic major at minus one,

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<v Speaker 2>Michelson's at even and VJ and Tiger are at plus one.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the next scores were plus five. I think

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<v Speaker 2>one of the things you see with with Pinehurst is

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<v Speaker 2>it does through three of these and we'll see what happens.

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<v Speaker 2>It does really allow people to lift and separate.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's just the challenge of of I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>just the challenge of approaching these greens, I think is

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<v Speaker 2>what creates that lift in separation. All right, let's take

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<v Speaker 1>My next thing, my fourth thing, if you will, will

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<v Speaker 1>somebody finish? Will somebody finish? Under par? I mean I

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<v Speaker 1>wrote down similar things to what you just said. Twenty fourteen,

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<v Speaker 1>three guys finished under par. Nobody finished under par. Ninety

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<v Speaker 1>nine one guy finished under par. In the three US

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<v Speaker 1>Opens headed into twenty four we've had exactly one player

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<v Speaker 1>better one under par at a US Open at Pinehurst

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<v Speaker 1>number two. So I just you know, we talked so

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<v Speaker 1>much about these US Opens, like what do we want

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<v Speaker 1>them to be? Do we want them to be tough?

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<v Speaker 1>Do we want them to be brutal? Do you want

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<v Speaker 1>guys to go out there and still be able to

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<v Speaker 1>make birdies? This place feels like a golf course that

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<v Speaker 1>you're just not going to see people touch double digit

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<v Speaker 1>under par unless you're absolute lap in the field like

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<v Speaker 1>we saw with Kaimer, right. And so my question to

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<v Speaker 1>you is, and I talked to some people over the

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<v Speaker 1>last couple of days preparing for the podcast that either

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<v Speaker 1>live in Pinehurst or work you know, for the USJA

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<v Speaker 1>and around the US Open. They're saying conditions are where

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<v Speaker 1>they want them to be. It is firm, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it is fast, it is tough. It's gonna be tough

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<v Speaker 1>again like they're expecting it to be. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>they've had a ton of rainy andy in the area

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<v Speaker 1>over the last couple of weeks, which I know they want.

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<v Speaker 1>They wanted to be relatively browned out. So it feels

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<v Speaker 1>like we're setting ourselves up for another US Open where

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<v Speaker 1>if you go out and make a whole bunch of pars,

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna be in the hunt. Do you see the

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<v Speaker 1>same thing?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I just think this this parlays into my kind

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<v Speaker 2>of golf course thing. I think it's just it's just

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<v Speaker 2>a brutally tough place to play golf. There are certain

0:20:32.960 --> 0:20:35.879
<v Speaker 2>golf courses that are just naturally hard, and this is

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<v Speaker 2>one of them. I don't know if naturally is the

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<v Speaker 2>right word, since since the greens are propped up and

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<v Speaker 2>artificially hard. I guess, and this intentionally difficult, but I

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<v Speaker 2>think this golf course is just it's just so difficult

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<v Speaker 2>to get comfortable on it. And I did a podcast

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<v Speaker 2>with Garrett where we talked about this a lot right

0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:03.679
<v Speaker 2>before this one. But every t shot seemingly plays a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit on a diagonal, which means you have to

0:21:06.200 --> 0:21:10.439
<v Speaker 2>pick line and distance off the tee. That's an uncomfortable,

0:21:10.720 --> 0:21:14.360
<v Speaker 2>uncomfortable way to play golf. It's a huge juxtaposition from

0:21:14.359 --> 0:21:17.879
<v Speaker 2>our last major championship host Valhalla, which is just bombs

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<v Speaker 2>away you have to and then when you're approaching the green,

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<v Speaker 2>I think, what's the unique thing? The targets are just

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<v Speaker 2>so small and with the way modern golf, this is

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm excited to watch. Like one of my five

0:21:34.119 --> 0:21:37.840
<v Speaker 2>things is just like modern golf has this theory of

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<v Speaker 2>like you gotta aim five yards right, like you just

0:21:41.160 --> 0:21:44.359
<v Speaker 2>always aim away from it. It's not modern golf, it's

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<v Speaker 2>you know, golf with a brain. People have been doing

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<v Speaker 2>this for years. But the idea of hey that pins

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<v Speaker 2>tucked left, you need to aim five yards right and

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<v Speaker 2>be happy with the disper dispersion. I think that worked

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<v Speaker 2>really well. When there's rough catching the ball at Pinehurst,

0:22:03.640 --> 0:22:07.000
<v Speaker 2>the ball rolls away because of the edges, and the

0:22:07.400 --> 0:22:11.320
<v Speaker 2>edges of the greens are all crowned or predominantly all crowned,

0:22:12.000 --> 0:22:14.600
<v Speaker 2>and then you have short grass that kind of sends

0:22:14.640 --> 0:22:17.680
<v Speaker 2>the ball further away. I think that like just generally

0:22:17.720 --> 0:22:24.960
<v Speaker 2>disrupts the formulaic nature of this strategy that people deploy.

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<v Speaker 2>It's based off of a large sampling of PGA tour

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<v Speaker 2>courses where the ball stops, there's rough around the greens,

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<v Speaker 2>and the ball stops they aren't, you know, crown greens

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<v Speaker 2>where the ball rolls away. So the idea of aiming

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<v Speaker 2>away here I think is a little bit less advantageous

0:22:47.119 --> 0:22:50.400
<v Speaker 2>because the ball rolls away here, and I think what's

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<v Speaker 2>going to have to happen. Players have to take on

0:22:54.160 --> 0:22:56.600
<v Speaker 2>a little bit more risk. And I'm not saying like

0:22:56.600 --> 0:22:59.439
<v Speaker 2>they need to go fire at every flag, but the

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<v Speaker 2>targets are so small here that you have to take

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<v Speaker 2>You have to do things that you don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>do with a with a somewhat regular occurrence. That's the

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<v Speaker 2>way I feel when you play here is when you

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<v Speaker 2>play tentatively, it really really choose you up like I

0:23:16.600 --> 0:23:19.560
<v Speaker 2>you know it is. It is. If you're not playing

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<v Speaker 2>committed golf and really confident with your your golf swing,

0:23:24.560 --> 0:23:26.840
<v Speaker 2>you you don't have much of a chance here. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know how you feel about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean I think you're spot on. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I played it last year, I've played it

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<v Speaker 1>a few times. It's one of my favorite courses to

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<v Speaker 1>play because of how much you've got to be thinking

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<v Speaker 1>all the time. And also to your point, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of step up and hit a golf shot, which

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<v Speaker 1>I think major championship golf should be. I think there

0:23:44.400 --> 0:23:46.680
<v Speaker 1>should be a lot less we can bail out here.

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<v Speaker 1>We have to hit the golf shot on this at

0:23:49.320 --> 0:23:51.400
<v Speaker 1>this spot, at this time, and if I don't pull

0:23:51.440 --> 0:23:53.560
<v Speaker 1>the golf shot off, I've got to hit an unbelievable

0:23:53.560 --> 0:23:55.760
<v Speaker 1>shot just to say par right. I feel like Pianeer's

0:23:55.840 --> 0:23:58.000
<v Speaker 1>number two is an easy place to get to three

0:23:58.000 --> 0:24:00.399
<v Speaker 1>and four over, and it's a super hard place to

0:24:00.440 --> 0:24:02.400
<v Speaker 1>get back to even right. There's not a whole bunch

0:24:02.400 --> 0:24:04.880
<v Speaker 1>of birdies out on this golf course. The par fives

0:24:05.080 --> 0:24:08.119
<v Speaker 1>are difficult, the short par fours are difficult. And you

0:24:08.200 --> 0:24:10.200
<v Speaker 1>said it, I mean even with the sand wedge in

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<v Speaker 1>a labuche. I remember last year, you know, I was

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<v Speaker 1>playing with some very good players, you know, played with

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<v Speaker 1>a buddy of mine that played mini toward golf and

0:24:15.520 --> 0:24:18.480
<v Speaker 1>Joel Kladd, who's you know, a scratch golfer, and you know,

0:24:18.520 --> 0:24:21.200
<v Speaker 1>you're four and five holes into it explaining to them

0:24:21.240 --> 0:24:24.040
<v Speaker 1>that there's not really any place to bail right. I mean,

0:24:24.080 --> 0:24:27.240
<v Speaker 1>you can maybe hit it fifteen feet away from if

0:24:27.240 --> 0:24:29.639
<v Speaker 1>the pin's left in those trouble you could maybe hit

0:24:29.680 --> 0:24:32.200
<v Speaker 1>it fifteen feet to the bigger side of the green.

0:24:32.640 --> 0:24:35.000
<v Speaker 1>That's kind of it. And if you do bail out,

0:24:35.280 --> 0:24:37.560
<v Speaker 1>the pitch shot, the chip shot, whatever you're picking from

0:24:37.560 --> 0:24:40.320
<v Speaker 1>that point forward is going to have to be extremely creative.

0:24:40.359 --> 0:24:42.480
<v Speaker 1>Like going back to Joel last year, Joel plays at

0:24:42.480 --> 0:24:45.440
<v Speaker 1>a course in southern California where it does have runoff areas.

0:24:45.720 --> 0:24:47.600
<v Speaker 1>He hits a lot of like bump and run five

0:24:47.600 --> 0:24:50.160
<v Speaker 1>irons there when he's playing golf. He hit that shot

0:24:50.160 --> 0:24:52.960
<v Speaker 1>to perfection around Pinehurs number two. So there is an

0:24:53.000 --> 0:24:56.639
<v Speaker 1>open championship element around the greens. But when I'm looking

0:24:56.640 --> 0:24:58.160
<v Speaker 1>at people and I've got some names on my list,

0:24:58.160 --> 0:25:00.000
<v Speaker 1>we'll get two of my five things but when I

0:25:00.000 --> 0:25:02.359
<v Speaker 1>I'm looking at these level of players, Yes, you've got

0:25:02.400 --> 0:25:04.879
<v Speaker 1>to be a great iron player, but the creativity with

0:25:04.920 --> 0:25:07.479
<v Speaker 1>your hands has got to be there, and there are

0:25:07.520 --> 0:25:08.760
<v Speaker 1>there are gonna be a lot of golf shots you

0:25:08.760 --> 0:25:11.120
<v Speaker 1>don't see even at true in my opinion, you'll see

0:25:11.160 --> 0:25:13.080
<v Speaker 1>players trying to play at the US Open.

0:25:14.000 --> 0:25:16.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think you hit on something. Also when you

0:25:16.200 --> 0:25:19.960
<v Speaker 2>brought up ZB is that I don't think you necessarily

0:25:20.000 --> 0:25:22.640
<v Speaker 2>have to. I think power is always a huge advantage, right,

0:25:22.760 --> 0:25:25.679
<v Speaker 2>Like it's like I'm going to turn down being a

0:25:25.720 --> 0:25:30.720
<v Speaker 2>long hitter at any golf course. I'm good, Yeah, I

0:25:30.800 --> 0:25:32.320
<v Speaker 2>you know what, I prefer to hit it to ad.

0:25:33.040 --> 0:25:35.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't need those twenty yards. It's fine, just keep those.

0:25:35.200 --> 0:25:40.840
<v Speaker 2>Things forty forty yards. But one of the things that

0:25:41.000 --> 0:25:44.840
<v Speaker 2>Pine Nurse does is it chokes at three hundred yards

0:25:44.880 --> 0:25:49.320
<v Speaker 2>like almost every hole. So I that's That's the other

0:25:49.440 --> 0:25:52.679
<v Speaker 2>thing is that how how much risk are our player

0:25:52.720 --> 0:25:54.080
<v Speaker 2>is going to take on? Are we going to see

0:25:54.119 --> 0:25:56.280
<v Speaker 2>a lot of drivers out here? I think the games

0:25:56.800 --> 0:25:59.840
<v Speaker 2>the game's changed a ton since twenty fourteen, ten years ago.

0:26:00.240 --> 0:26:03.200
<v Speaker 2>I mean it's changed a lot. So are we going

0:26:03.240 --> 0:26:06.040
<v Speaker 2>to see a ton of drivers like the number of

0:26:06.040 --> 0:26:08.360
<v Speaker 2>players that hit it over three hundred yards, it's I mean,

0:26:08.400 --> 0:26:13.720
<v Speaker 2>it's it's a multiple of twenty fourteen. So my my question,

0:26:14.000 --> 0:26:16.120
<v Speaker 2>one of my questions with the golf course is at too,

0:26:16.240 --> 0:26:19.240
<v Speaker 2>is how much of a driver test is it still?

0:26:20.600 --> 0:26:23.960
<v Speaker 2>You know, and and with it especially going forward the

0:26:24.040 --> 0:26:26.680
<v Speaker 2>way they kind of and I want to be clear,

0:26:26.880 --> 0:26:30.200
<v Speaker 2>they did renovation and this was one of Mike Davis'

0:26:30.280 --> 0:26:33.240
<v Speaker 2>input was we wanted this to choke in with bunkers

0:26:33.240 --> 0:26:37.040
<v Speaker 2>and native at three hundred yards. So you know, while

0:26:37.040 --> 0:26:43.320
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't present like your your US Open venue where

0:26:43.400 --> 0:26:46.920
<v Speaker 2>the USGA narrowed fairways like because you see the rough

0:26:47.000 --> 0:26:51.919
<v Speaker 2>come in here, they did it very they concealed it

0:26:52.080 --> 0:26:54.920
<v Speaker 2>very well with native, it does choke. It gets very

0:26:55.000 --> 0:26:58.239
<v Speaker 2>narrow at three hundred yards on almost every hole. So

0:26:58.600 --> 0:27:02.240
<v Speaker 2>it'll be interesting to see where where, how that how

0:27:02.280 --> 0:27:05.399
<v Speaker 2>that has like just like an overall holistic effect on

0:27:05.920 --> 0:27:09.040
<v Speaker 2>how many drivers are we seeing. I think it's important

0:27:09.320 --> 0:27:13.040
<v Speaker 2>for a golf course to allow players to hit driver

0:27:13.240 --> 0:27:16.760
<v Speaker 2>because you want to examine the driver test. It's not

0:27:16.800 --> 0:27:18.720
<v Speaker 2>what it used to be with in terms of driver

0:27:18.840 --> 0:27:22.080
<v Speaker 2>forgiveness has gotten so good that like hitting a driver isn't.

0:27:22.480 --> 0:27:26.160
<v Speaker 2>I don't think the greatest skill challenge like it used

0:27:26.160 --> 0:27:29.520
<v Speaker 2>to be in the nineteen eighties. Maybe, but it's still

0:27:29.760 --> 0:27:32.680
<v Speaker 2>I think an important recipe of a championship golf course.

0:27:32.720 --> 0:27:34.919
<v Speaker 2>And and if it if it gets a point of

0:27:35.080 --> 0:27:37.920
<v Speaker 2>like these guys are, you know, are hitting four or

0:27:37.960 --> 0:27:40.720
<v Speaker 2>five drivers around, I think you need to start to

0:27:40.760 --> 0:27:43.439
<v Speaker 2>look at like, what what are we doing with some

0:27:43.480 --> 0:27:48.399
<v Speaker 2>of these narrowing areas and are we limiting the the

0:27:48.480 --> 0:27:50.680
<v Speaker 2>interest in the in the in the golf course by

0:27:50.720 --> 0:27:52.480
<v Speaker 2>doing that so.

0:27:52.200 --> 0:27:54.440
<v Speaker 1>So that that actually that actually leads right in andy

0:27:54.520 --> 0:27:57.000
<v Speaker 1>to I have. You know, we did five things. I

0:27:57.000 --> 0:27:58.680
<v Speaker 1>did a couple of golf course things and a couple

0:27:58.720 --> 0:27:59.480
<v Speaker 1>scoring things and.

0:28:01.040 --> 0:28:03.400
<v Speaker 2>Knocking him out here quick. I think we're both down

0:28:03.440 --> 0:28:03.840
<v Speaker 2>to three.

0:28:04.240 --> 0:28:06.560
<v Speaker 1>This is I got three left and this is one

0:28:06.600 --> 0:28:07.840
<v Speaker 1>of my big things. And I think I said this

0:28:07.880 --> 0:28:10.200
<v Speaker 1>before the year started. This was my pick to win

0:28:10.200 --> 0:28:13.280
<v Speaker 1>this US Open. It feels like it's cam Smith time

0:28:13.359 --> 0:28:16.440
<v Speaker 1>this week. No better venue for him in terms of

0:28:16.480 --> 0:28:19.080
<v Speaker 1>a major championship. In my opinion, I feel like there

0:28:19.080 --> 0:28:21.680
<v Speaker 1>are places that make sense when you look at cam

0:28:21.680 --> 0:28:23.480
<v Speaker 1>Smith as a pro golfer, When you look at cam

0:28:23.520 --> 0:28:25.359
<v Speaker 1>Smith as a top ten golfer in the world, the

0:28:25.400 --> 0:28:27.240
<v Speaker 1>Old Course obviously being one of them. You don't have

0:28:27.280 --> 0:28:29.960
<v Speaker 1>to drive a golf ball super well. Augusta National and

0:28:29.960 --> 0:28:32.520
<v Speaker 1>another five top tens, and his last seven starts at

0:28:32.560 --> 0:28:35.760
<v Speaker 1>the Masters. And I think Pinehurst is absolutely perfect for Cam.

0:28:35.960 --> 0:28:37.919
<v Speaker 1>You mentioned the driving of the golf ball. He is

0:28:37.960 --> 0:28:39.560
<v Speaker 1>not a great driver of the golf ball. He won't

0:28:39.560 --> 0:28:41.600
<v Speaker 1>have to hit as many drivers as he typically does,

0:28:41.640 --> 0:28:44.600
<v Speaker 1>I think at most major venues. And I think, like,

0:28:44.680 --> 0:28:46.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't know Cam Smith. I've talked to him a

0:28:46.360 --> 0:28:48.360
<v Speaker 1>couple of times in my life, but I feel like

0:28:48.400 --> 0:28:50.880
<v Speaker 1>Cam Smith is one of those players that gets more

0:28:50.920 --> 0:28:54.080
<v Speaker 1>interested when the golf course gets him interested, right when

0:28:54.120 --> 0:28:56.640
<v Speaker 1>they ask the questions that Cam wants to answer. This

0:28:56.720 --> 0:28:59.240
<v Speaker 1>feels like a place like that where you've got to

0:28:59.240 --> 0:29:01.320
<v Speaker 1>pitch the golf all exceptionally well. He's one of the

0:29:01.320 --> 0:29:03.480
<v Speaker 1>best in the world at that. There are crazy bunker

0:29:03.480 --> 0:29:05.760
<v Speaker 1>shots you're gonna have to hit. He's unbelievable like that.

0:29:06.080 --> 0:29:08.520
<v Speaker 1>And and you know this, if you pick Pinehurs number

0:29:08.520 --> 0:29:10.920
<v Speaker 1>two up and said it anywhere in the world, I

0:29:10.960 --> 0:29:12.480
<v Speaker 1>think it would make the most sense for it to

0:29:12.520 --> 0:29:15.320
<v Speaker 1>be in the sand belt of Australia. So for me,

0:29:15.400 --> 0:29:18.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm looking at cam Smith as not just my pick,

0:29:18.280 --> 0:29:21.480
<v Speaker 1>but a serious favorite to top five, top ten, whatever

0:29:21.480 --> 0:29:23.959
<v Speaker 1>you want to do, because again, I feel like this

0:29:24.000 --> 0:29:26.160
<v Speaker 1>golf course doesn't set up well for a lot of players.

0:29:26.360 --> 0:29:29.640
<v Speaker 1>I think it sets up very very well for Cam Smith,

0:29:29.720 --> 0:29:32.440
<v Speaker 1>and he's sneaky played pretty good in the majors over

0:29:32.480 --> 0:29:34.520
<v Speaker 1>the last couple of years. I mean, after the Open

0:29:34.600 --> 0:29:36.720
<v Speaker 1>Championship win, I think we all kind of saw him

0:29:36.720 --> 0:29:38.680
<v Speaker 1>go to Live and go is this guy gonna show

0:29:38.720 --> 0:29:41.360
<v Speaker 1>up and play golf anymore? He's played pretty good in

0:29:41.400 --> 0:29:44.120
<v Speaker 1>the majors, especially at some of the courses I mentioned.

0:29:44.160 --> 0:29:47.000
<v Speaker 1>So I feel like cam Smith is a heavy name

0:29:47.040 --> 0:29:47.920
<v Speaker 1>to think about this week.

0:29:48.480 --> 0:29:52.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think he's played. He's he's played Okay. I

0:29:52.240 --> 0:29:54.880
<v Speaker 2>don't think we've seen him really in the mix in

0:29:55.000 --> 0:30:00.840
<v Speaker 2>anything like where it's like he's gonna win, but he

0:30:00.920 --> 0:30:04.040
<v Speaker 2>I think he's played. He's played decent this the last

0:30:04.080 --> 0:30:06.960
<v Speaker 2>couple of months on Live. I it's hard to judge.

0:30:07.040 --> 0:30:10.040
<v Speaker 2>I think like John Rom's like a great example of

0:30:10.080 --> 0:30:13.400
<v Speaker 2>like it's really hard to judge what's going on on LIV.

0:30:13.520 --> 0:30:16.880
<v Speaker 2>Like for world class players, I think it's pretty easy

0:30:16.920 --> 0:30:19.760
<v Speaker 2>to career top tens there, but it's very difficult to

0:30:20.040 --> 0:30:24.000
<v Speaker 2>understand what the the state of their game is. I think,

0:30:24.080 --> 0:30:27.440
<v Speaker 2>like obviously, I think every golf course in the world

0:30:27.680 --> 0:30:31.440
<v Speaker 2>is is a good setup for him. Scotty Scheffler is

0:30:31.520 --> 0:30:35.040
<v Speaker 2>one that you know, this golf course might be might

0:30:35.080 --> 0:30:36.320
<v Speaker 2>be the Uh.

0:30:37.160 --> 0:30:39.080
<v Speaker 1>We'll get Andy. We'll get to that in a minute.

0:30:39.080 --> 0:30:41.440
<v Speaker 1>I got on my list as well, and my last

0:30:41.440 --> 0:30:43.800
<v Speaker 1>thing is Scotty specific, so we'll get we'll get to mister.

0:30:44.680 --> 0:30:47.480
<v Speaker 1>But real quick just just just want to just want

0:30:47.480 --> 0:30:49.880
<v Speaker 1>to touch on came real quick wins the twenty twenty

0:30:49.920 --> 0:30:52.640
<v Speaker 1>two Open. Hasn't missed a cutting a major since the win.

0:30:53.760 --> 0:30:55.880
<v Speaker 1>Finished fourth of the US Open last year, t ninth

0:30:55.880 --> 0:30:58.320
<v Speaker 1>of the PG last year, and T six that Augusta

0:30:58.360 --> 0:31:01.320
<v Speaker 1>this year. So he hasn't necessarily been in contention at

0:31:01.360 --> 0:31:04.000
<v Speaker 1>these major championships, but he's played good enough golf to

0:31:04.480 --> 0:31:06.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, find himself in the top ten comes Sunday evening.

0:31:07.240 --> 0:31:10.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and when he's going, I think like a great

0:31:10.640 --> 0:31:14.480
<v Speaker 2>approach player too, So I think that's the other aspect,

0:31:14.680 --> 0:31:19.400
<v Speaker 2>Like I think if you everything from te after the

0:31:19.440 --> 0:31:22.800
<v Speaker 2>t shot into the green, he's a top five player

0:31:22.840 --> 0:31:25.040
<v Speaker 2>in the world, and I think that's super important at

0:31:25.040 --> 0:31:28.920
<v Speaker 2>Pinehurst number two. Yeah, I've got I'll go with another

0:31:29.000 --> 0:31:31.960
<v Speaker 2>live player. I've got two live players. On to my

0:31:32.080 --> 0:31:36.959
<v Speaker 2>next things. I'll go with John ram here. He signed

0:31:37.000 --> 0:31:40.920
<v Speaker 2>the live deal obviously in the Winner. I think he

0:31:41.240 --> 0:31:46.920
<v Speaker 2>anticipated it being a short window of him playing live golf.

0:31:47.000 --> 0:31:49.080
<v Speaker 1>I think he thought, Andy, you you know, like on

0:31:49.120 --> 0:31:50.960
<v Speaker 1>a much lower level, I was listening to you guys

0:31:50.960 --> 0:31:54.280
<v Speaker 1>at the Shotguns start talking about the framework agreement or

0:31:54.280 --> 0:31:56.200
<v Speaker 1>whatever they call it, being a year ago. You know,

0:31:57.000 --> 0:31:59.200
<v Speaker 1>I remember there were talks and we might have done

0:31:59.240 --> 0:32:01.920
<v Speaker 1>this offline as much as we did online. But when

0:32:02.000 --> 0:32:05.400
<v Speaker 1>Rom signed the live deal, Remember when you guys were talking,

0:32:05.400 --> 0:32:07.880
<v Speaker 1>You're like, I think he's expecting to be and why

0:32:08.040 --> 0:32:10.200
<v Speaker 1>in playing in this thing? Like That's how quickly I

0:32:10.200 --> 0:32:12.080
<v Speaker 1>think John Rohm thought that that stuff was going to

0:32:12.120 --> 0:32:13.040
<v Speaker 1>be hided out.

0:32:13.920 --> 0:32:17.800
<v Speaker 2>And I, you know, listen like he's got the This

0:32:17.840 --> 0:32:21.520
<v Speaker 2>is the worst start to a major championship season of

0:32:21.560 --> 0:32:24.600
<v Speaker 2>his entire career, dating back to when he was an

0:32:24.640 --> 0:32:29.960
<v Speaker 2>amateur and when t at the Master's miscut at the PGA.

0:32:30.200 --> 0:32:33.400
<v Speaker 2>And this is a small sample size. I just don't

0:32:33.440 --> 0:32:36.360
<v Speaker 2>think it's possible for anybody to take a big bag

0:32:36.400 --> 0:32:39.080
<v Speaker 2>of money like that and not get a little.

0:32:38.800 --> 0:32:42.200
<v Speaker 1>Soft I would agree wholeheartedly. I mean, I think it's

0:32:42.280 --> 0:32:45.720
<v Speaker 1>it's it's extremely hard to be pressing, and I think

0:32:45.800 --> 0:32:47.400
<v Speaker 1>one of the hardest things. We've talked a lot about

0:32:47.400 --> 0:32:50.240
<v Speaker 1>this with Live. I think this is no not to

0:32:50.400 --> 0:32:53.080
<v Speaker 1>live the product, but I think it's hard to find

0:32:53.240 --> 0:32:55.600
<v Speaker 1>form in the way they go about their business. It's

0:32:55.880 --> 0:32:58.360
<v Speaker 1>it's sporadic and it's scheduling. It's kind of all over

0:32:58.400 --> 0:33:01.680
<v Speaker 1>the place worldwide. Playing as much golf as you typically do,

0:33:01.760 --> 0:33:04.040
<v Speaker 1>there's only ten or twelve guys that you think you

0:33:04.120 --> 0:33:07.240
<v Speaker 1>really should be contending and competing with. That's not the

0:33:07.280 --> 0:33:10.120
<v Speaker 1>feel you're gonna get. PJ Tour weeks week tw week. Andy,

0:33:10.320 --> 0:33:13.040
<v Speaker 1>look at the two guys that have beat Scotti Scheffler

0:33:13.240 --> 0:33:15.520
<v Speaker 1>this season on the PGA Tour. These are not top

0:33:15.560 --> 0:33:18.880
<v Speaker 1>twenty guys in the world. These are relatively random PGA

0:33:18.960 --> 0:33:21.520
<v Speaker 1>Tour players that found their game that week and were

0:33:21.520 --> 0:33:25.320
<v Speaker 1>able to beat, not just contend with beat the best

0:33:25.360 --> 0:33:27.720
<v Speaker 1>golfer in the world. That's the difference, in my opinion,

0:33:28.000 --> 0:33:31.200
<v Speaker 1>in PGA Tour golf, even signature event golf, and Live

0:33:31.320 --> 0:33:34.480
<v Speaker 1>right now is there is still the sixtieth seventieth guy

0:33:34.480 --> 0:33:36.120
<v Speaker 1>in the field that can beat the number one guy

0:33:36.440 --> 0:33:38.720
<v Speaker 1>in the world on any given week at a PJ

0:33:38.880 --> 0:33:39.320
<v Speaker 1>Tour event.

0:33:39.440 --> 0:33:43.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like the bottom fifteen on LIV aren't gonna

0:33:43.720 --> 0:33:47.160
<v Speaker 2>beat John Rahm. No with I mean it might be

0:33:47.320 --> 0:33:50.840
<v Speaker 2>like a sporadic once every thirty times might beat them,

0:33:50.920 --> 0:33:54.280
<v Speaker 2>but not like have a chance to beat like and

0:33:54.320 --> 0:33:56.640
<v Speaker 2>they beat him in the sense that John rom plays

0:33:56.680 --> 0:34:02.160
<v Speaker 2>bad and finishes fifteenth and they finish fourteenth, Right, I

0:34:02.200 --> 0:34:06.280
<v Speaker 2>think like I think, I think there's an adjustment period,

0:34:06.480 --> 0:34:09.160
<v Speaker 2>and I I think you can play and we've seen

0:34:09.200 --> 0:34:12.480
<v Speaker 2>people play good major championship golf from Live. I think

0:34:12.520 --> 0:34:16.560
<v Speaker 2>the important caveat here is there's an adjustment period they

0:34:16.719 --> 0:34:19.880
<v Speaker 2>like you have to like. John Rahm is to me

0:34:20.160 --> 0:34:23.640
<v Speaker 2>seems like a very much a creature of habit, like

0:34:23.719 --> 0:34:27.759
<v Speaker 2>he likes the way way things are like and this

0:34:27.840 --> 0:34:29.480
<v Speaker 2>is the way things are, this is the way I

0:34:29.560 --> 0:34:34.160
<v Speaker 2>do things. Him going to Live has completely disrupted the

0:34:34.200 --> 0:34:37.160
<v Speaker 2>way he prepares for major championship. He talked about it

0:34:37.200 --> 0:34:40.200
<v Speaker 2>a little bit like I'm playing less golf like, and

0:34:41.200 --> 0:34:45.080
<v Speaker 2>I think he's at this place where he probably like

0:34:45.160 --> 0:34:47.399
<v Speaker 2>if he didn't if if if he went to live

0:34:47.480 --> 0:34:50.600
<v Speaker 2>on his own recon it didn't take whatever, hundreds of

0:34:50.640 --> 0:34:53.279
<v Speaker 2>millions of dollars to go there. I think we'd hear

0:34:53.440 --> 0:34:55.680
<v Speaker 2>like this is just you know, you'd probably hear a

0:34:55.760 --> 0:34:58.680
<v Speaker 2>very candidate on Rahm being like, this is not working

0:34:58.719 --> 0:35:02.040
<v Speaker 2>for me. I think I need to do this. I

0:35:02.080 --> 0:35:06.239
<v Speaker 2>need to do this. I wonder how much how much

0:35:06.400 --> 0:35:10.880
<v Speaker 2>practice and prep he he had in his life before

0:35:11.080 --> 0:35:15.319
<v Speaker 2>maybe the Masters outside of playing these you know, three

0:35:15.400 --> 0:35:18.400
<v Speaker 2>round events like listen, like John Rohm's a level of player.

0:35:18.440 --> 0:35:22.600
<v Speaker 2>He's a generational talent in a in a fifty person

0:35:22.719 --> 0:35:25.960
<v Speaker 2>field that's got a very weak bottom of the field.

0:35:27.360 --> 0:35:29.279
<v Speaker 2>You can roll out of bed and finish in the

0:35:29.320 --> 0:35:32.239
<v Speaker 2>top ten when you're this talented.

0:35:32.760 --> 0:35:33.000
<v Speaker 1>Yep.

0:35:35.160 --> 0:35:38.200
<v Speaker 2>So I think like there's like this smoke of like, oh,

0:35:38.239 --> 0:35:42.040
<v Speaker 2>he hasn't won, but he's been, you know, top ten

0:35:42.080 --> 0:35:45.680
<v Speaker 2>in every event on LIV. That's not an accomplishment for

0:35:45.760 --> 0:35:47.840
<v Speaker 2>this guy. And I'm sorry that I'm holding him to

0:35:47.880 --> 0:35:53.960
<v Speaker 2>a higher standard. But after last year's Masters win and

0:35:54.640 --> 0:35:57.920
<v Speaker 2>near missed you at the Open Championship contended, you know,

0:35:57.960 --> 0:36:01.600
<v Speaker 2>at the Open Championship T two the year year before,

0:36:01.680 --> 0:36:04.960
<v Speaker 2>he finishes top ten in every major. Two years ago,

0:36:05.280 --> 0:36:08.080
<v Speaker 2>he finishes top ten in every major contended and a

0:36:08.080 --> 0:36:11.239
<v Speaker 2>bunch of them. This is like, is this guy going

0:36:11.280 --> 0:36:14.279
<v Speaker 2>to get to six or seven? He's in his like

0:36:15.200 --> 0:36:19.520
<v Speaker 2>late twenties at this point. This is the time, This

0:36:19.560 --> 0:36:22.600
<v Speaker 2>is the time, this is his this was supposed to

0:36:22.640 --> 0:36:24.920
<v Speaker 2>be this when you look at his career when you

0:36:25.000 --> 0:36:29.880
<v Speaker 2>zoom out, this is one of his five or six

0:36:30.080 --> 0:36:33.520
<v Speaker 2>years of the meat of his career, and he's off

0:36:33.560 --> 0:36:37.000
<v Speaker 2>to the worst major championship start of his career. Now,

0:36:37.040 --> 0:36:39.960
<v Speaker 2>could things turn around? Could he win this week? Absolutely?

0:36:40.840 --> 0:36:44.440
<v Speaker 2>But like you know, when we zoom out, when we

0:36:44.480 --> 0:36:46.880
<v Speaker 2>look at like, I'm sure this thing's gonna get resolved

0:36:47.920 --> 0:36:51.320
<v Speaker 2>and we're gonna have people playing back together. Maybe probably

0:36:51.320 --> 0:36:54.799
<v Speaker 2>not next year, Maybe it's the next year when we

0:36:54.920 --> 0:36:58.560
<v Speaker 2>zoom out fifteen years from now, at John Rahm's career,

0:37:00.080 --> 0:37:03.359
<v Speaker 2>if if, if the major championships don't kind of turn

0:37:03.440 --> 0:37:06.279
<v Speaker 2>around this year, I think John Rahm will have a

0:37:06.560 --> 0:37:10.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, he's never gonna regret the three four hundred

0:37:10.080 --> 0:37:13.000
<v Speaker 2>million that's in his bank account, but he will have

0:37:13.040 --> 0:37:16.480
<v Speaker 2>a regret of you know what, I wasted one of

0:37:16.640 --> 0:37:21.919
<v Speaker 2>my prime years of my career. So I think that's

0:37:22.040 --> 0:37:25.160
<v Speaker 2>like to me, like in terms of like player interest, storyline,

0:37:25.920 --> 0:37:29.680
<v Speaker 2>John Rahm is number one for me, Like interesting it

0:37:29.760 --> 0:37:33.160
<v Speaker 2>is it is put up or shut up time for him,

0:37:33.400 --> 0:37:37.480
<v Speaker 2>and like if he if he has another lackluster or performance,

0:37:37.560 --> 0:37:40.600
<v Speaker 2>I just like don't know how you don't look at like, Okay,

0:37:41.840 --> 0:37:44.400
<v Speaker 2>you're You're just not the same you know, hundreds of

0:37:44.400 --> 0:37:46.759
<v Speaker 2>millions of dollars, You're not the same guy right now.

0:37:48.360 --> 0:37:50.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean, Andy, you and I are both big sports fans.

0:37:50.680 --> 0:37:53.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, golf has never dealt with this before,

0:37:53.000 --> 0:37:56.760
<v Speaker 1>but almost every other sport does. Is guys get traded

0:37:56.840 --> 0:37:59.440
<v Speaker 1>or demand trades in the prime of their career, and

0:37:59.520 --> 0:38:01.839
<v Speaker 1>sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn't. And there

0:38:01.880 --> 0:38:05.560
<v Speaker 1>are plenty of players that we can circle and go, Man,

0:38:05.680 --> 0:38:07.879
<v Speaker 1>if Griffy hadn't gone to the Reds, like what would

0:38:07.880 --> 0:38:09.359
<v Speaker 1>have happened in Seattle? You know what I mean?

0:38:09.600 --> 0:38:13.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if the thunder stay stuck together, you know, yeah, if.

0:38:13.120 --> 0:38:14.960
<v Speaker 1>They don't, If they don't, if they don't short James

0:38:14.960 --> 0:38:17.720
<v Speaker 1>Harden four million bucks and they keep that core three together,

0:38:17.960 --> 0:38:21.120
<v Speaker 1>are they the dynasty that Golden State turned into? Like

0:38:21.320 --> 0:38:24.560
<v Speaker 1>there are swinging door moments in every team sport across

0:38:24.600 --> 0:38:27.319
<v Speaker 1>the board for decades and decades, and golf never had

0:38:27.360 --> 0:38:29.560
<v Speaker 1>to deal with this because golf didn't have anywhere players

0:38:29.560 --> 0:38:31.360
<v Speaker 1>could get traded to. But I think your point is

0:38:31.400 --> 0:38:34.920
<v Speaker 1>extremely valid on John Rahm. Obviously, this is a guy

0:38:35.200 --> 0:38:37.960
<v Speaker 1>that is extremely competitive across the board, and it feels

0:38:37.960 --> 0:38:40.160
<v Speaker 1>like right now maybe he's not getting that competitiveness he

0:38:40.280 --> 0:38:42.439
<v Speaker 1>hoped to get at live. And again, like you said,

0:38:42.440 --> 0:38:44.560
<v Speaker 1>things could flip right now. But I think of all

0:38:44.560 --> 0:38:47.919
<v Speaker 1>the people like Bryson to me is benefited from Live

0:38:47.960 --> 0:38:51.359
<v Speaker 1>Golf a little less exposure. We can kind of get

0:38:51.400 --> 0:38:53.399
<v Speaker 1>to pick and choose your spons You get to lean

0:38:53.440 --> 0:38:55.640
<v Speaker 1>into social media and do a great job with YouTube.

0:38:55.760 --> 0:38:58.960
<v Speaker 1>That's a great place. It's it's not live, it's edited.

0:38:59.239 --> 0:39:01.560
<v Speaker 1>You know, all those things I think play into Bryson's hands.

0:39:01.640 --> 0:39:04.520
<v Speaker 1>Right Live seems to work well for Bryson and Schambeau.

0:39:04.800 --> 0:39:07.600
<v Speaker 1>It might not be working well for John Rohm. You know,

0:39:07.640 --> 0:39:10.000
<v Speaker 1>both things can be true. So it's gonna be very

0:39:10.040 --> 0:39:12.120
<v Speaker 1>very interested this week if John Ram has a bad

0:39:12.239 --> 0:39:14.880
<v Speaker 1>US Open at Pineher's number two at a place where

0:39:15.160 --> 0:39:18.239
<v Speaker 1>short game is the premium, premium thing that you've got

0:39:18.280 --> 0:39:19.880
<v Speaker 1>to lean on, and John Ram has one of the

0:39:19.920 --> 0:39:21.800
<v Speaker 1>best short games in the world. Then you're going to

0:39:21.880 --> 0:39:24.440
<v Speaker 1>really start to wonder who's this guy gonna be because,

0:39:24.560 --> 0:39:26.240
<v Speaker 1>like you said, you go a full season, he turns

0:39:26.239 --> 0:39:29.320
<v Speaker 1>thirty in November. Andy, you know, like right now thirty

0:39:29.400 --> 0:39:32.520
<v Speaker 1>is getting older. Off on the men's side, right we're

0:39:32.520 --> 0:39:34.839
<v Speaker 1>getting where this thing's get younger by the year. He's

0:39:34.840 --> 0:39:36.799
<v Speaker 1>gonna turn thirty and then all of a sudden, he's

0:39:36.800 --> 0:39:38.359
<v Speaker 1>gonna be thirty two. And if he's sitting on one

0:39:38.360 --> 0:39:41.160
<v Speaker 1>major championship at thirty two, this is going to be

0:39:41.200 --> 0:39:42.600
<v Speaker 1>a moment he's going to look back on and go,

0:39:43.040 --> 0:39:44.680
<v Speaker 1>was this a decision that may or may not have

0:39:44.680 --> 0:39:47.239
<v Speaker 1>disrupted my career? Now? Easier to do that when you

0:39:47.239 --> 0:39:49.120
<v Speaker 1>got three hundred mil in the bank. But you know,

0:39:49.200 --> 0:39:50.719
<v Speaker 1>I mean when you're looking at a guy that's thinking

0:39:50.719 --> 0:39:52.800
<v Speaker 1>about trophies and you know, wants to be one of

0:39:52.840 --> 0:39:55.160
<v Speaker 1>the best of his generation, he's got to kind of

0:39:55.160 --> 0:39:56.200
<v Speaker 1>start to step it up. Now.

0:39:56.960 --> 0:39:59.160
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think, like John Rahm's had a great

0:39:59.200 --> 0:40:03.000
<v Speaker 2>career to date and everything, but this is where that

0:40:03.120 --> 0:40:06.800
<v Speaker 2>age debate is that like age isn't talked about enough

0:40:06.960 --> 0:40:10.359
<v Speaker 2>with young players in the sport. John Ram was a

0:40:10.440 --> 0:40:13.520
<v Speaker 2>really old rookie on the PGA Tour. Like I mean

0:40:13.520 --> 0:40:16.319
<v Speaker 2>it was like late twenty three twenty four when he

0:40:16.360 --> 0:40:19.279
<v Speaker 2>would like really burst on the scene. You think about

0:40:19.320 --> 0:40:23.120
<v Speaker 2>what what player like Rory Macelelroy did before twenty four,

0:40:23.800 --> 0:40:26.719
<v Speaker 2>you know what I even like, I always think like

0:40:27.080 --> 0:40:30.359
<v Speaker 2>Joaquin Neeman's a great example. Joaquin Nemans still like only

0:40:30.400 --> 0:40:34.399
<v Speaker 2>twenty four. He's been he's been out there forever. It's

0:40:34.560 --> 0:40:37.239
<v Speaker 2>like we and I think, like this is this is

0:40:38.040 --> 0:40:40.560
<v Speaker 2>a part of like you know, I'm not gonna this

0:40:40.600 --> 0:40:43.200
<v Speaker 2>is not besmirching Ludwig at all. I think I've been

0:40:43.320 --> 0:40:47.680
<v Speaker 2>super impressed. But Ludvig's twenty four. He's an old old

0:40:47.800 --> 0:40:51.160
<v Speaker 2>young player, right, And I think like age needs to

0:40:51.160 --> 0:40:55.239
<v Speaker 2>be especially with golf. It wasn't as important when it

0:40:55.280 --> 0:40:57.799
<v Speaker 2>took people a long time to figure out like oh

0:40:57.920 --> 0:41:00.959
<v Speaker 2>the courses, how to play the courses, and everything wasn't

0:41:01.000 --> 0:41:03.600
<v Speaker 2>as dialed in as it is now where it's it's

0:41:03.680 --> 0:41:06.239
<v Speaker 2>never been easier to be a young player on tour

0:41:06.640 --> 0:41:11.000
<v Speaker 2>with the data and track man and everything. But like,

0:41:11.160 --> 0:41:14.640
<v Speaker 2>age is always an important thing to consider because I

0:41:14.719 --> 0:41:18.319
<v Speaker 2>do I we're gonna see we're we're seeing less and

0:41:18.440 --> 0:41:22.200
<v Speaker 2>less players, Like I mean, forty used to be like

0:41:22.280 --> 0:41:25.080
<v Speaker 2>you're still a favorite, and forty is like I can't

0:41:25.080 --> 0:41:27.760
<v Speaker 2>believe this guy's forty. Like look at like Adam Scott

0:41:27.800 --> 0:41:34.640
<v Speaker 2>and Justin Rose Jason Jason Jason Day is an old

0:41:34.880 --> 0:41:37.560
<v Speaker 2>old man and that used to be like kind of

0:41:37.600 --> 0:41:40.560
<v Speaker 2>like a normal age to be on the PGA Tour.

0:41:41.080 --> 0:41:44.040
<v Speaker 2>So I think it's just an important thing to note

0:41:44.160 --> 0:41:48.600
<v Speaker 2>with these players were and I think like PGA Tour

0:41:48.719 --> 0:41:52.160
<v Speaker 2>you has created this like very big incentive for the

0:41:52.200 --> 0:41:56.040
<v Speaker 2>top players to stick around with that card. But at

0:41:56.040 --> 0:42:01.000
<v Speaker 2>the same time, you know, like these guys are getting

0:42:01.000 --> 0:42:03.839
<v Speaker 2>out there at twenty three when I think a lot

0:42:03.880 --> 0:42:06.399
<v Speaker 2>of them could be out there when they're nineteen. They're

0:42:06.440 --> 0:42:09.680
<v Speaker 2>they're that level of talent, right like I you're seeing

0:42:09.719 --> 0:42:11.759
<v Speaker 2>it now with these sixteen year olds that are coming

0:42:11.800 --> 0:42:15.480
<v Speaker 2>on and like firston on the scene and like making

0:42:15.560 --> 0:42:20.560
<v Speaker 2>cuts at sixteen, Like we remember like special special players

0:42:20.600 --> 0:42:24.440
<v Speaker 2>like Tiger playing the Riviera, he didn't make the cut

0:42:24.560 --> 0:42:28.160
<v Speaker 2>like these kids now like they're more equipped, they're better

0:42:28.200 --> 0:42:30.759
<v Speaker 2>than ever. And and like you said with rom like

0:42:31.360 --> 0:42:33.680
<v Speaker 2>I mean listen, like he's gonna be thirty, Like this

0:42:33.840 --> 0:42:37.120
<v Speaker 2>is not He's not a spring chicken. He feels young

0:42:37.239 --> 0:42:39.680
<v Speaker 2>because he hasn't been around that long because of how

0:42:39.760 --> 0:42:42.160
<v Speaker 2>old of a rookie he.

0:42:42.280 --> 0:42:44.759
<v Speaker 1>Was, right, Yeah, yeah. By the way, I think I

0:42:44.800 --> 0:42:46.600
<v Speaker 1>said he had one major, obviously he's got two. Yeah,

0:42:46.640 --> 0:42:48.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, Andy, I was. It's funny. I

0:42:48.400 --> 0:42:51.640
<v Speaker 1>was listening to I was listening to this Kobe Bryant

0:42:51.640 --> 0:42:54.120
<v Speaker 1>interview last night with Big kat in a Ron. I

0:42:54.160 --> 0:42:56.520
<v Speaker 1>think it was like years ago for pardon my take

0:42:56.600 --> 0:42:58.080
<v Speaker 1>or something. I mean, I think it was maybe twenty

0:42:58.320 --> 0:43:01.239
<v Speaker 1>seventeen or twenty the biggest one life.

0:43:01.440 --> 0:43:04.799
<v Speaker 2>Well, I've been you know, I ran into I ran

0:43:04.880 --> 0:43:07.279
<v Speaker 2>into a former major champion that.

0:43:07.320 --> 0:43:09.040
<v Speaker 1>Looks like my hole in one jar from back in

0:43:09.040 --> 0:43:09.399
<v Speaker 1>the day.

0:43:10.040 --> 0:43:13.280
<v Speaker 2>I ran into a former major champion, a tennis player,

0:43:14.320 --> 0:43:17.720
<v Speaker 2>and he was toting around this monster jug. I've always

0:43:17.760 --> 0:43:21.600
<v Speaker 2>wanted a monster jug of water, yeah, said something. And

0:43:21.640 --> 0:43:23.799
<v Speaker 2>he's like, this is this is the way, this is

0:43:23.840 --> 0:43:24.880
<v Speaker 2>the way you hydrate.

0:43:25.760 --> 0:43:28.040
<v Speaker 1>Just so people listening and aren't watching. And he's got

0:43:28.080 --> 0:43:31.160
<v Speaker 1>like a sixty ounce Mason jar that he's drinking water

0:43:31.200 --> 0:43:31.919
<v Speaker 1>out of with no eyes.

0:43:31.920 --> 0:43:36.640
<v Speaker 2>It's been super effective for me, Like I just I've

0:43:36.640 --> 0:43:39.240
<v Speaker 2>been I feel more hydrated than I've ever.

0:43:39.080 --> 0:43:42.960
<v Speaker 1>Been so no Stanley sponsorship for the Fried Egg, but

0:43:43.000 --> 0:43:45.200
<v Speaker 1>if the Mason Jars want to sponsor.

0:43:44.920 --> 0:43:48.439
<v Speaker 2>The works for a ball corporation.

0:43:49.840 --> 0:43:52.480
<v Speaker 1>To listen. I was listening to this Kobe interview and

0:43:52.520 --> 0:43:55.080
<v Speaker 1>they were talking about Kobe's decision to turn pro out

0:43:55.120 --> 0:43:57.880
<v Speaker 1>of high school, and he was talking about how he

0:43:57.960 --> 0:44:01.120
<v Speaker 1>felt like he had the skill set to play professional basketball.

0:44:01.360 --> 0:44:04.040
<v Speaker 1>But what he said was there were so many players

0:44:04.080 --> 0:44:06.240
<v Speaker 1>in the NBA that were getting later in their careers

0:44:06.520 --> 0:44:08.239
<v Speaker 1>that he said, I want to watch them. I want

0:44:08.239 --> 0:44:10.439
<v Speaker 1>to play against them, and I want to learn from

0:44:10.480 --> 0:44:13.200
<v Speaker 1>them on the court. And I think your point about

0:44:13.200 --> 0:44:15.960
<v Speaker 1>staying around in college or maybe not turning pro to

0:44:16.000 --> 0:44:18.319
<v Speaker 1>your twenty three or twenty four. If you turn pro

0:44:18.360 --> 0:44:19.920
<v Speaker 1>at eighteen and you've got the skill set to be

0:44:20.000 --> 0:44:22.759
<v Speaker 1>able to stick around and keep your card, you're going

0:44:22.800 --> 0:44:27.000
<v Speaker 1>to be watching your quote unquote professional peers. You're gonna

0:44:27.000 --> 0:44:29.600
<v Speaker 1>watch Scott, You're gonna watch Rory, You're gonna watch Joaquin.

0:44:29.640 --> 0:44:31.959
<v Speaker 1>You're gonna watch that crew of players, and you're gonna

0:44:31.960 --> 0:44:33.600
<v Speaker 1>be able to pick up things that they do, the

0:44:33.640 --> 0:44:36.280
<v Speaker 1>way they practice, the way they go about their business.

0:44:36.480 --> 0:44:39.920
<v Speaker 1>Maybe your game isn't great for two years, but the

0:44:39.960 --> 0:44:42.040
<v Speaker 1>stuff you're going to learn in those two years is

0:44:42.080 --> 0:44:44.239
<v Speaker 1>going to be massively important for when you start to

0:44:44.280 --> 0:44:47.080
<v Speaker 1>feel comfortable in those moments. So yeah, I think it's

0:44:47.239 --> 0:44:49.719
<v Speaker 1>a really interesting thing about PJ Tour. You does a

0:44:49.719 --> 0:44:53.080
<v Speaker 1>great job of incentivizing players to stay till their seniors

0:44:53.120 --> 0:44:55.520
<v Speaker 1>because you could get a PGA Tour card or you

0:44:55.520 --> 0:44:57.279
<v Speaker 1>can get a ton of starts on the corn Ferry Tour,

0:44:57.320 --> 0:44:59.920
<v Speaker 1>which is huge for these players. But if you're a

0:45:00.120 --> 0:45:03.319
<v Speaker 1>generational level player, maybe Michael thorpe Jornsen, you know, when

0:45:03.320 --> 0:45:06.680
<v Speaker 1>he's not injured, is generational loot big maybe generational right,

0:45:06.960 --> 0:45:10.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, John Rohm, potentially generational type of player. Maybe

0:45:10.719 --> 0:45:12.880
<v Speaker 1>there is a level of thinking about turning pro a

0:45:12.920 --> 0:45:16.160
<v Speaker 1>little bit earlier so you could get those reps alongside

0:45:16.160 --> 0:45:18.520
<v Speaker 1>the piers you're going to be competing again against the

0:45:18.600 --> 0:45:23.719
<v Speaker 1>next four or five years.

0:45:24.800 --> 0:45:27.040
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0:47:14.080 --> 0:47:16.560
<v Speaker 2>finish a college like if you're a college athlete, like

0:47:16.600 --> 0:47:19.239
<v Speaker 2>think about this, like if you're a college golfer and

0:47:19.280 --> 0:47:23.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm a sophomore, finished my sophomore year and I'm thinking

0:47:23.719 --> 0:47:27.280
<v Speaker 2>about turn pro and it's like, well, like sixty percent

0:47:27.320 --> 0:47:30.240
<v Speaker 2>of the corn Ferry schedule is done. I'm not getting

0:47:30.239 --> 0:47:34.759
<v Speaker 2>a card that way the PGA Tour. The only way

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<v Speaker 2>I'm getting up there is if I finished top five

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<v Speaker 2>in Q school in this one tournament against a lot

0:47:40.160 --> 0:47:44.440
<v Speaker 2>of great players, or or through corn Ferry, which is

0:47:44.719 --> 0:47:47.200
<v Speaker 2>which is basically like it's a crapshoot for me to

0:47:47.239 --> 0:47:50.080
<v Speaker 2>get into that top thirty that and with that few

0:47:50.600 --> 0:47:54.719
<v Speaker 2>starts like the whole system, and like I mean, this

0:47:54.760 --> 0:47:57.480
<v Speaker 2>is like a dynamic with the sport that that I

0:47:58.160 --> 0:48:04.719
<v Speaker 2>believe is holding some young players back. Is that like

0:48:04.880 --> 0:48:08.720
<v Speaker 2>it is unlike any other sport where the college golf

0:48:08.880 --> 0:48:14.719
<v Speaker 2>schedule ends in the middle of the professional golf schedule,

0:48:14.880 --> 0:48:18.279
<v Speaker 2>Like no other sport works this way, right like a

0:48:18.600 --> 0:48:22.560
<v Speaker 2>college football in the NFL end roughly at the same time,

0:48:22.640 --> 0:48:27.560
<v Speaker 2>and the off season's a line the NBA, like college

0:48:27.600 --> 0:48:31.040
<v Speaker 2>baseball doesn't just extend through the summer, it ends in

0:48:31.080 --> 0:48:35.520
<v Speaker 2>the spring, and its like I guess college baseball might

0:48:35.560 --> 0:48:39.920
<v Speaker 2>be the only comp right where your season ends and

0:48:39.960 --> 0:48:43.160
<v Speaker 2>it's the middle of the MLB season, so there's the comp.

0:48:43.320 --> 0:48:46.319
<v Speaker 2>But you're being drafted into a farm system for a

0:48:46.400 --> 0:48:49.840
<v Speaker 2>team and you join, like, I think this is like

0:48:51.800 --> 0:48:54.640
<v Speaker 2>it's really a broken And we saw before PGA Tour

0:48:54.760 --> 0:48:57.759
<v Speaker 2>you adapted their rules. I can't believe we're talking about this.

0:48:58.360 --> 0:49:01.480
<v Speaker 1>I mean, yes, we'll move past it when you're done.

0:49:01.840 --> 0:49:06.480
<v Speaker 2>But before PGA Tour adapted their rules that you adapted

0:49:06.520 --> 0:49:08.880
<v Speaker 2>the rules, we were seeing an influx of players like

0:49:09.000 --> 0:49:11.640
<v Speaker 2>Davis Riley, will Z l Torres term pro in the

0:49:11.680 --> 0:49:15.000
<v Speaker 2>middle of the winter, basically at the end of the

0:49:15.040 --> 0:49:18.000
<v Speaker 2>fall season. They were leaving there. And it was it

0:49:18.040 --> 0:49:20.799
<v Speaker 2>was smart move because it's like I align my schedule

0:49:21.360 --> 0:49:24.480
<v Speaker 2>with that year, and I think, like, listen, like, I

0:49:24.520 --> 0:49:26.960
<v Speaker 2>think it's a great change of like, but I think

0:49:27.000 --> 0:49:29.680
<v Speaker 2>that PGA Tour you should be like, hey, if Jackson

0:49:29.719 --> 0:49:32.799
<v Speaker 2>Coyven was the best player in college golf this year,

0:49:33.280 --> 0:49:36.120
<v Speaker 2>he should get a exactly. He should. He should get

0:49:36.120 --> 0:49:39.960
<v Speaker 2>his PGA Tour card, right, Like, I think that's the

0:49:40.000 --> 0:49:43.120
<v Speaker 2>way it should work. That it's kind of silly to

0:49:43.160 --> 0:49:45.479
<v Speaker 2>me that you have to be a senior to cash in.

0:49:46.000 --> 0:49:48.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think the point of that is incentivizing

0:49:48.080 --> 0:49:51.880
<v Speaker 1>guys to stick around. But yeah, I think about it, right.

0:49:51.800 --> 0:49:54.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if you're ready to go, go, you're ready to

0:49:54.760 --> 0:49:57.040
<v Speaker 2>go cash in on your career. We see it all

0:49:57.080 --> 0:49:59.480
<v Speaker 2>over the place, like what if Jordan Speed had stayed

0:49:59.520 --> 0:50:02.200
<v Speaker 2>till he was senior, would he have one major?

0:50:03.480 --> 0:50:05.640
<v Speaker 1>Andy. I was talking to Austin Greeser on the phone

0:50:05.640 --> 0:50:07.120
<v Speaker 1>the other day, obviously turned pro this week at the

0:50:07.160 --> 0:50:09.000
<v Speaker 1>corn Firy event. I thought he sounds set something really

0:50:09.040 --> 0:50:11.719
<v Speaker 1>interested to me. I was talking about preparing for the

0:50:11.800 --> 0:50:14.680
<v Speaker 1>corn Faery and professional golf, and he said, the interesting

0:50:14.719 --> 0:50:18.200
<v Speaker 1>thing is college golf courses in college setups are tougher

0:50:18.239 --> 0:50:20.319
<v Speaker 1>than the corn Ferry Tour. So he said, I roll

0:50:20.360 --> 0:50:23.040
<v Speaker 1>into the corn Faery Tour and it's not very intimidating

0:50:23.080 --> 0:50:25.760
<v Speaker 1>because I've played so many of these high level amter events.

0:50:25.800 --> 0:50:27.640
<v Speaker 1>You know, he nearly wins the US Amateur at Oakmont,

0:50:27.880 --> 0:50:30.319
<v Speaker 1>he plays in the Masters, like he's checked all these

0:50:30.400 --> 0:50:33.320
<v Speaker 1>boxes at tough places. You show up to the KFT

0:50:33.920 --> 0:50:36.400
<v Speaker 1>and you're not that intimidated. But again, it's such a

0:50:36.400 --> 0:50:39.480
<v Speaker 1>short season. You have that you've got to play excellent,

0:50:39.520 --> 0:50:42.680
<v Speaker 1>excellent golf in a four month run with the most

0:50:42.680 --> 0:50:45.399
<v Speaker 1>pressure in your life to get your card, or you're

0:50:45.480 --> 0:50:47.319
<v Speaker 1>kind of figuring out what you're gonna do the next year.

0:50:47.520 --> 0:50:49.399
<v Speaker 1>It's not great, but yeah, we're talking to us open,

0:50:49.400 --> 0:50:50.040
<v Speaker 1>so let's move on.

0:50:50.239 --> 0:50:50.520
<v Speaker 2>All right.

0:50:50.560 --> 0:50:53.200
<v Speaker 1>I got something for you, Andy, go for it. It's

0:50:53.239 --> 0:50:55.000
<v Speaker 1>a point you made on the pod. I think it

0:50:55.000 --> 0:50:57.200
<v Speaker 1>was on Shotgun Start. Maybe Brandon made it, but I

0:50:57.200 --> 0:51:00.000
<v Speaker 1>thought it was a great point, and I was thinking

0:51:00.000 --> 0:51:01.439
<v Speaker 1>think a lot about it the last couple of weeks.

0:51:01.480 --> 0:51:03.680
<v Speaker 1>I cannot believe you're drinking out of that charge Jesus.

0:51:03.800 --> 0:51:05.879
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you could put like daffodils in that thing.

0:51:06.640 --> 0:51:08.200
<v Speaker 1>You could put a lot of a lot of flowers

0:51:08.200 --> 0:51:08.799
<v Speaker 1>in your Mason jar.

0:51:09.200 --> 0:51:11.959
<v Speaker 2>Try it out, Try it out.

0:51:10.440 --> 0:51:13.880
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how. I don't even know if Amazon

0:51:13.920 --> 0:51:18.680
<v Speaker 1>will ship that big of a jug. So talking about

0:51:18.800 --> 0:51:21.239
<v Speaker 1>Rory in Major Championships a few weeks ago on the

0:51:21.239 --> 0:51:23.400
<v Speaker 1>Shotgun Start, and I thought you and Brenda made a

0:51:23.400 --> 0:51:25.759
<v Speaker 1>great point. You said it feels like Rory used to

0:51:25.800 --> 0:51:28.400
<v Speaker 1>play the easy venues the best. You think about his

0:51:28.480 --> 0:51:32.840
<v Speaker 1>wins soft Congressional Valhalla, Kiowa, like very soft and scorable.

0:51:33.040 --> 0:51:34.400
<v Speaker 1>You know, he blows the field away in a lot

0:51:34.400 --> 0:51:36.720
<v Speaker 1>of those places, And now it feels like he plays

0:51:36.719 --> 0:51:39.080
<v Speaker 1>the harder golf courses better. And I thought it was

0:51:39.120 --> 0:51:41.040
<v Speaker 1>a stude. I thought it was absolutely accurate when you

0:51:41.080 --> 0:51:42.840
<v Speaker 1>kind of look at the way Rory has played and

0:51:42.920 --> 0:51:46.200
<v Speaker 1>Rory's contended and major championship golf. I also think about

0:51:46.239 --> 0:51:49.319
<v Speaker 1>Rory at Pioneer's number two, and I think we love

0:51:49.520 --> 0:51:52.959
<v Speaker 1>to gloss and glow about Rory's driving. I think maybe

0:51:52.960 --> 0:51:55.120
<v Speaker 1>the most underrated thing in golf right now is Rory

0:51:55.200 --> 0:51:57.560
<v Speaker 1>mclory's ability to pitch the golf ball. You think about

0:51:57.600 --> 0:52:00.239
<v Speaker 1>how many pitches he has around the greens. I mean,

0:52:00.239 --> 0:52:02.399
<v Speaker 1>he can hit it low with spin, he hits it high,

0:52:02.440 --> 0:52:05.280
<v Speaker 1>he holds out a lot. He's a very very underrated

0:52:05.280 --> 0:52:08.960
<v Speaker 1>bunker player as well. I think this sneaky plays well

0:52:09.000 --> 0:52:12.279
<v Speaker 1>into Rory's game. It's tough, It's gonna be tough, even

0:52:12.320 --> 0:52:14.640
<v Speaker 1>par Is gonna be a great score, and you've got

0:52:14.640 --> 0:52:17.000
<v Speaker 1>to be creative around greens. And I feel like we

0:52:17.040 --> 0:52:19.520
<v Speaker 1>don't give. We don't give Rory the flowers we should

0:52:19.800 --> 0:52:22.120
<v Speaker 1>in terms of pitching and chipping. And I feel like

0:52:22.160 --> 0:52:25.040
<v Speaker 1>he's gonna showcase that this week at Pioneers number two.

0:52:25.320 --> 0:52:27.080
<v Speaker 1>And listen, I'm not gonna pick Rory. I mean, I

0:52:27.120 --> 0:52:29.400
<v Speaker 1>think I've kind of done that for the last decade

0:52:29.400 --> 0:52:31.200
<v Speaker 1>and I'm a little tired of picking him. But I

0:52:31.239 --> 0:52:34.560
<v Speaker 1>will say, I think he's gonna get you. That's fine.

0:52:34.560 --> 0:52:36.520
<v Speaker 1>I hope he does. Man, I hope he comes up

0:52:36.520 --> 0:52:38.480
<v Speaker 1>and just and just and just buzzes me in the

0:52:38.520 --> 0:52:40.920
<v Speaker 1>back with the victory. But I feel like this is

0:52:40.960 --> 0:52:44.000
<v Speaker 1>a place that if he can drive the golf ball

0:52:44.600 --> 0:52:48.120
<v Speaker 1>at a Rory average level or above, I think he's

0:52:48.120 --> 0:52:51.200
<v Speaker 1>got an incredible advantage in a place like this, considering

0:52:51.239 --> 0:52:54.040
<v Speaker 1>the mix of power off the tee and touching finesse

0:52:54.080 --> 0:52:54.920
<v Speaker 1>around the greens.

0:52:55.400 --> 0:52:59.560
<v Speaker 2>I think something else that I think, like, obviously, the

0:52:59.680 --> 0:53:04.080
<v Speaker 2>proach play is kind of the the the delta for Rory,

0:53:04.440 --> 0:53:07.919
<v Speaker 2>right and when his approach plays cut, I honestly think

0:53:08.080 --> 0:53:12.480
<v Speaker 2>this this golf course might expose some people that we

0:53:12.640 --> 0:53:15.600
<v Speaker 2>think are great approach play players that are kind of

0:53:15.640 --> 0:53:17.799
<v Speaker 2>just like I hit it here, and the golf course

0:53:17.880 --> 0:53:19.480
<v Speaker 2>never punishment punishes me.

0:53:20.280 --> 0:53:21.440
<v Speaker 1>Can you give me an example of that.

0:53:21.880 --> 0:53:25.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't really. I just think there's probably like a

0:53:25.920 --> 0:53:30.880
<v Speaker 2>lot of players, Like I think Rory probably gets a

0:53:30.920 --> 0:53:35.400
<v Speaker 2>little over aggressive for a weekend week out player with

0:53:35.520 --> 0:53:40.120
<v Speaker 2>his approach targets. But I think here that aggression might

0:53:40.239 --> 0:53:43.800
<v Speaker 2>pay off because it's so punishing everywhere around the greens.

0:53:44.360 --> 0:53:45.239
<v Speaker 2>Does that make sense?

0:53:45.840 --> 0:53:48.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Yeah, like if if there's a touch flag and

0:53:48.280 --> 0:53:49.960
<v Speaker 1>you miss it short side, and it's gonna be tough

0:53:50.000 --> 0:53:51.799
<v Speaker 1>even if you miss it on the fat side of

0:53:51.800 --> 0:53:52.839
<v Speaker 1>things anyway, So it's.

0:53:52.920 --> 0:53:58.239
<v Speaker 2>Just exactly like everything feels short sighted. Yeah, that where

0:53:58.360 --> 0:54:00.640
<v Speaker 2>I think like his approach play is like kind of

0:54:00.680 --> 0:54:04.080
<v Speaker 2>like when it's on, it's like, all right, get your popcorn.

0:54:05.560 --> 0:54:08.279
<v Speaker 2>But here, I think there are gonna be a lot

0:54:08.320 --> 0:54:11.319
<v Speaker 2>of players that like just like they miss a lot.

0:54:11.440 --> 0:54:14.279
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'll never forget Jeff Ogilvie's quote years ago

0:54:14.360 --> 0:54:16.759
<v Speaker 2>on this podcast of like if you put me in

0:54:16.760 --> 0:54:18.200
<v Speaker 2>the middle of the fairway with a wedge in my

0:54:18.239 --> 0:54:20.920
<v Speaker 2>hand on every hole, I'd be happy if I hit

0:54:21.000 --> 0:54:26.279
<v Speaker 2>twelve greens. You know, I like, I always I think

0:54:26.320 --> 0:54:28.600
<v Speaker 2>about that all the time, Like this guy that want

0:54:28.640 --> 0:54:29.560
<v Speaker 2>of us up and.

0:54:29.560 --> 0:54:32.680
<v Speaker 1>Saying this, yeah, wing foot, He's saying that that's crazy.

0:54:32.880 --> 0:54:36.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And so when I think about that, I think

0:54:36.560 --> 0:54:41.759
<v Speaker 2>like there is like an idea of like I don't know,

0:54:42.160 --> 0:54:45.759
<v Speaker 2>it's not about like how bad you know how, It's

0:54:45.840 --> 0:54:48.560
<v Speaker 2>more about like how many spectacular approach shots do you

0:54:48.680 --> 0:54:55.200
<v Speaker 2>hit in a given week, and less about the average, right,

0:54:55.400 --> 0:55:02.160
<v Speaker 2>because like average, like average are going to get penalized here,

0:55:03.480 --> 0:55:09.280
<v Speaker 2>And I think that maybe the penalty for being over

0:55:09.680 --> 0:55:14.000
<v Speaker 2>aggressive here isn't quite as high as Augusta National because

0:55:14.000 --> 0:55:17.920
<v Speaker 2>there isn't the water, right, Like I'm just thinking about,

0:55:17.960 --> 0:55:20.160
<v Speaker 2>like trying to think about the golf course in the

0:55:21.040 --> 0:55:23.239
<v Speaker 2>I think you can be a little bit more. It

0:55:23.640 --> 0:55:26.400
<v Speaker 2>feels like a golf course that you shouldn't be aggressive on,

0:55:26.960 --> 0:55:29.640
<v Speaker 2>but it actually, in turn is a golf course that

0:55:29.840 --> 0:55:33.200
<v Speaker 2>you might want to be a little bit more aggressive

0:55:34.120 --> 0:55:37.680
<v Speaker 2>on your approach play because if you're short side yourself

0:55:38.160 --> 0:55:41.919
<v Speaker 2>versus fat side yourself with some of these pins, it's

0:55:41.920 --> 0:55:45.360
<v Speaker 2>not a big difference. But at Augusta National, if you

0:55:45.440 --> 0:55:47.240
<v Speaker 2>short side yourself, you're just dead.

0:55:47.880 --> 0:55:48.799
<v Speaker 1>You make a boat yep.

0:55:49.280 --> 0:55:52.000
<v Speaker 2>And there's always a good place to miss. I think,

0:55:52.080 --> 0:55:55.279
<v Speaker 2>like the good place to miss at Pinehurst is is

0:55:55.320 --> 0:55:58.759
<v Speaker 2>where fifteen handicappers miss it's short of the green. These

0:55:58.760 --> 0:56:02.600
<v Speaker 2>guys aren't gonna be like I'm I'm gonna play the

0:56:03.080 --> 0:56:05.680
<v Speaker 2>to short of the green to pitch up like, that's

0:56:05.719 --> 0:56:09.080
<v Speaker 2>not gonna It might happen if they're in the waist sometimes,

0:56:09.120 --> 0:56:12.480
<v Speaker 2>but that's not That's not the way professional golf works,

0:56:12.719 --> 0:56:15.640
<v Speaker 2>which is why this golf course is so playable for

0:56:16.040 --> 0:56:21.080
<v Speaker 2>a fifteen handicap and so diabolically difficult for the world's

0:56:21.120 --> 0:56:23.799
<v Speaker 2>best player. So, I, you know, I agree with that

0:56:23.960 --> 0:56:27.160
<v Speaker 2>Rory sentiment. I think he's gonna be off everybody's radar

0:56:27.320 --> 0:56:30.280
<v Speaker 2>this week, Like he's not on my five things to watch.

0:56:30.440 --> 0:56:33.840
<v Speaker 2>And I think that's because you just like naturally are like,

0:56:33.960 --> 0:56:36.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't think that's a Rory course. But I you know,

0:56:36.080 --> 0:56:39.319
<v Speaker 2>so much of this stuff is counterintuitive, all right. I

0:56:39.360 --> 0:56:41.160
<v Speaker 2>have Bryson on mine.

0:56:42.440 --> 0:56:42.920
<v Speaker 1>Nice.

0:56:43.640 --> 0:56:46.120
<v Speaker 2>I think he's been kind of like a sneaky maybe

0:56:46.480 --> 0:56:47.919
<v Speaker 2>the story of golf this year.

0:56:48.600 --> 0:56:50.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean, Scott, you still have to say Scott, we

0:56:50.960 --> 0:56:53.440
<v Speaker 1>still see Scott. You'd have to say Scotty and Nelly

0:56:53.480 --> 0:56:55.839
<v Speaker 1>above Bryson. But I think Bryson's probably in the top

0:56:55.840 --> 0:56:57.440
<v Speaker 1>three or four storylines. I agree with you.

0:56:57.960 --> 0:57:02.040
<v Speaker 2>We've seen him specialized, like he specializes in that Valhalla

0:57:02.200 --> 0:57:08.400
<v Speaker 2>wing foot, oak hill, narrow fairway, thick rough type setup.

0:57:08.480 --> 0:57:11.880
<v Speaker 2>Right that that's where we've seen him play really well.

0:57:12.560 --> 0:57:16.840
<v Speaker 2>This year Masters was like a revelation like, oh my god,

0:57:16.920 --> 0:57:21.840
<v Speaker 2>like Bryson's playing well at Augusta and you know, I

0:57:22.800 --> 0:57:25.280
<v Speaker 2>want to say, like he played really well in round

0:57:25.360 --> 0:57:28.800
<v Speaker 2>one and it was like it kind of was like

0:57:28.880 --> 0:57:33.160
<v Speaker 2>leaking oil after round one, but like he had a

0:57:33.200 --> 0:57:36.120
<v Speaker 2>really good finish at Augusta. And I think that bryceon

0:57:36.440 --> 0:57:39.919
<v Speaker 2>Pineer's number two on paper does not set up well

0:57:39.960 --> 0:57:43.439
<v Speaker 2>for Bryson. This doesn't seem like a place that's going

0:57:43.520 --> 0:57:47.480
<v Speaker 2>to be super friendly. But like my question is, like

0:57:48.040 --> 0:57:52.200
<v Speaker 2>are we seeing Bryson like become this like really great

0:57:52.240 --> 0:57:57.280
<v Speaker 2>all around player. Have we seen him like he's evolved,

0:57:57.680 --> 0:58:00.880
<v Speaker 2>And like my question is is this like the third

0:58:00.960 --> 0:58:04.680
<v Speaker 2>evolution of Bryson to Shamba where he came in as

0:58:04.800 --> 0:58:08.920
<v Speaker 2>like this really good all around player, transformed into the

0:58:08.960 --> 0:58:14.000
<v Speaker 2>into the hulk, became this burley boy, this big big boy,

0:58:14.080 --> 0:58:18.720
<v Speaker 2>this lumbering master of the golf ball that just hit it,

0:58:19.000 --> 0:58:21.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, far, and became this specialist of this one

0:58:21.520 --> 0:58:25.200
<v Speaker 2>setup and now has he evolved back into maybe the

0:58:25.560 --> 0:58:28.240
<v Speaker 2>into the best version of him, the best where he

0:58:28.280 --> 0:58:31.520
<v Speaker 2>can hit it long, but he has all the rest

0:58:31.560 --> 0:58:34.720
<v Speaker 2>of the skills. Like I think this week is a

0:58:34.800 --> 0:58:38.640
<v Speaker 2>really good barometer of like can Bryson, Like I think

0:58:38.680 --> 0:58:42.120
<v Speaker 2>Bryson became this specialist, like okay, this type of course, Like,

0:58:42.360 --> 0:58:46.520
<v Speaker 2>but is Bryson now like any golf course you put

0:58:46.600 --> 0:58:49.400
<v Speaker 2>him on, you have to consider him a top five

0:58:49.440 --> 0:58:53.000
<v Speaker 2>to seven favorite, And this week is a big barometer

0:58:53.120 --> 0:58:57.920
<v Speaker 2>of that. I I wholeheartedly I've said this before. I

0:58:57.960 --> 0:59:01.800
<v Speaker 2>wholeheartedly believe that what he's doing on YouTube is making

0:59:01.880 --> 0:59:04.600
<v Speaker 2>him a better, more well rounded player, playing these like

0:59:04.680 --> 0:59:08.160
<v Speaker 2>weird formats he played Hickory golf, Like, I think this

0:59:08.240 --> 0:59:10.720
<v Speaker 2>stuff makes him better. I think like he's playing the

0:59:10.800 --> 0:59:13.560
<v Speaker 2>one Club Challenge with Sergio. I think, without a doubt

0:59:13.880 --> 0:59:16.880
<v Speaker 2>this stuff is taking him out of that super analytical

0:59:17.000 --> 0:59:19.640
<v Speaker 2>this is the way I play golf and showing him

0:59:19.680 --> 0:59:23.920
<v Speaker 2>other ways in developing his shot making skills.

0:59:23.920 --> 0:59:26.200
<v Speaker 1>Still got the six iron linked lab which I just

0:59:26.240 --> 0:59:27.320
<v Speaker 1>don't love it at this golf.

0:59:28.200 --> 0:59:31.680
<v Speaker 2>My bigots everywhere my.

0:59:32.040 --> 0:59:35.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean maybe my I I feel like this

0:59:35.440 --> 0:59:37.440
<v Speaker 1>is like the worst golf course for Bryson, I mean,

0:59:37.440 --> 0:59:38.920
<v Speaker 1>if he needs a cut, I'd be shocked.

0:59:39.200 --> 0:59:41.920
<v Speaker 2>So this is this is why I'm super interested, Like

0:59:42.000 --> 0:59:44.480
<v Speaker 2>what if he if he if he contends here?

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<v Speaker 1>This is this is kind of like the the Obviously

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not comparing to Bryson the Tiger, but I think

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<v Speaker 1>this may be to your What your point is here

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<v Speaker 1>is like is this Tiger's Hoylake right where it's like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just gonna take driver out of my hands and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm still gonna beat you guys. Right, It's like I'll

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<v Speaker 1>just take this thing that once was a big weapon

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<v Speaker 1>of mine out of my hands, and I'll just hit

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<v Speaker 1>iron off every tee and I'm still good enough to

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<v Speaker 1>play and contend against you. It's I think for Bryson

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<v Speaker 1>here it's power. Probably not the biggest factor you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to see at other major venues, right, Obviously not nearly

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<v Speaker 1>as big a factor as you saw at Valhalla Augusta

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<v Speaker 1>still leans into power if you could hit a long

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<v Speaker 1>way and hit it relatively straight. I think Truon, if

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<v Speaker 1>you beat it in the open course, it probably helps,

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<v Speaker 1>even though I think Truon might be on the lower

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<v Speaker 1>end of those types of golf courses. I just feel

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<v Speaker 1>like what Bryson does well, I don't know if this

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<v Speaker 1>place really kind of you know, like highlights those things,

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<v Speaker 1>and what he does poorly at times I think is

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<v Speaker 1>important around Pineer's number two. So yeah, I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>a great point. If he plays well here, it could

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<v Speaker 1>be Bryson's you know, big moment. If I can contend

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<v Speaker 1>any place, it doesn't matter.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, what's your last one? It's Scotti Scheffler. I

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<v Speaker 2>knew you were the last one.

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<v Speaker 1>Scott.

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<v Speaker 2>I knew. I just left him off mine because I

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<v Speaker 2>knew were going to talk about him. Yeah, yeah, for sure,

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<v Speaker 2>he's my pick to win. Though I'm picking Scotty, I haven't.

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't picked him in won and done, I somehow

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<v Speaker 2>talked myself out of the Masters. I'm not doing it

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<v Speaker 2>this time.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was thinking about Scotty Scheffler and Pineurs number

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<v Speaker 1>two because I think you said you touched on earlier, Andy,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'll get your points on it in a in

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<v Speaker 1>a second, it feels like legitimately the perfect set up

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<v Speaker 1>for Scotty Scheffler. If you asked, you know, the USGA

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<v Speaker 1>to set up a US Open golf course. I was

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<v Speaker 1>thinking back to twenty fifteen, right, the Jordan Speed run.

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<v Speaker 1>So he comes off the Masters, which is a golf

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<v Speaker 1>course that I think Jordan Speed in modern you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in modern pro golf understands and plays as well as

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<v Speaker 1>anybody that plays Augusta. Now Scotty's probably replaced Jordan that

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<v Speaker 1>in that you know department, But for six seven years

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<v Speaker 1>it was Jordan' speef in Augusta. What US Open venue

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<v Speaker 1>does he have after that? Chambers Bay, which is probably

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<v Speaker 1>the best US Open golf course that Jordan Speif will

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<v Speaker 1>ever face. Don't have to drive the golf ball extremely straight,

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<v Speaker 1>lean heavily on your iron play, and make a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of eight to twelve foot and he was doing that

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<v Speaker 1>as good as anybody in the world in twenty fifteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Right when he goes on to win, then what does

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<v Speaker 1>Scotty get in the next stop or what is what

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<v Speaker 1>does Speed get to the next stop in the open road?

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<v Speaker 2>Up? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Right, I mean super wide kind of plays into Jordan's hands.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a shot out of the playoff, nearly wins three

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<v Speaker 1>in a row. I feel like this lineup for Scotty.

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<v Speaker 2>Val Healla, like Valhalla might have been the worst set

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<v Speaker 2>up possible.

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<v Speaker 1>Totally agree, totally agree, like like that part separate driving. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>when you're looking at the US Open venue, I think

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<v Speaker 1>back to twenty fifteen and Jordan set up extremely well.

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<v Speaker 1>For Jordan, he had a great run at the major

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<v Speaker 1>championships then. And I feel like right now, Scotty comes

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<v Speaker 1>off the win at the Masters, has the weird ass

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<v Speaker 1>situation at the PGA, and doesn't play well in that

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<v Speaker 1>third round, and that really was it for Scotty. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>was in contention outside of the third round. And now

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<v Speaker 1>you're getting to a place that if you're like, all right, man,

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<v Speaker 1>do you need to drive it? You know, relatively straight

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<v Speaker 1>and long helps. Sure, Scotty does that. Great. You need

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<v Speaker 1>to be a great iron player that hitchers with almost

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<v Speaker 1>every iron you have in your hand Yep, Scotty does that.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh and by the way, are you a very good

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<v Speaker 1>picture of the golf ball? Oh? Yeah, I'm one of

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<v Speaker 1>the best in the world. All right, here's Piner's number

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<v Speaker 1>two for you. I feel like, if there's ever a

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<v Speaker 1>place to put a bed in or talk to your

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<v Speaker 1>friends about a guy doing what Kimer did in fourteen,

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<v Speaker 1>it feels like Scotty could win this thing. By six

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<v Speaker 1>seven eight shots considering the golf course in his skill set.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I listen, Like, if there's gonna be one player

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<v Speaker 2>that I think will separate lift and make this a

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<v Speaker 2>weekend snoozefest, it's Scotty Scheffler just for all. I think,

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<v Speaker 2>Like the biggest thing is that I just think he's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be playing from better positions than everybody else.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the driver, I mean, we talk about the

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<v Speaker 2>iron play, We've talked about the short game. I think

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<v Speaker 2>a lot. The driver's so good, Like he's not the

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<v Speaker 2>longest guy out there, And I love how people like

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<v Speaker 2>point It's like, well, the number one player in the

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<v Speaker 2>world is like six sixtieth and driving distance, It's like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>he's still got plenty of gas in the tank. He's

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<v Speaker 2>hidden it.

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<v Speaker 1>He's in the passing thirty past more cal in the

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<v Speaker 1>final of the match. Yeah, right, Like I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean this, this guy's got another gear. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And and the thing about his driver is he's so accurate.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the same thing as it's an extension of the

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<v Speaker 2>iron play. Why the iron I mean, the iron play

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<v Speaker 2>is extraordinary, but the driver is just an extension of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Like he's a great long iron player because he he

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<v Speaker 2>hits it so precise with his long irons. The driver

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<v Speaker 2>is such a weapon. It's not going to jump off

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<v Speaker 2>the page on paper when you look at his number

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<v Speaker 2>of drive is driving distance number, but the precision of

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<v Speaker 2>it is just like it is always in the window, right.

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<v Speaker 2>He just doesn't miss his windows. And I think, like

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<v Speaker 2>at a golf course like Pineers, like he's just going

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<v Speaker 2>to give himself more if he's driving the ball decently,

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<v Speaker 2>He's going to give himself more opportunities to hit irons,

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<v Speaker 2>which irons are the thing that he does better than

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<v Speaker 2>anybody else. And then you know he said the top

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<v Speaker 2>three pitchers if he misses the green, Like, I just

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<v Speaker 2>think this is this is a prime Scottie Scheffler week.

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<v Speaker 2>I I if he if he's got his B game,

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<v Speaker 2>I have a hard time. I like, you know, if

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<v Speaker 2>Scotty Scheffler has a C game, what where do you

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<v Speaker 2>think he finishes?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think he contends with a C game.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he intends at the US Open with a

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<v Speaker 1>C game.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's the way I feel. I feel like it

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<v Speaker 2>like it's like a T four if he if he's

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<v Speaker 2>got a C game.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh well, I mean what was it? Was it O

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<v Speaker 1>five when Tiger was chasing Campbell and it felt like

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<v Speaker 1>Tiger had a C game in nearly one there, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it's it kind of feels very similar to

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<v Speaker 1>Scotty this week. It's like, if he has his best stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>he's going to Martin Kaymer the field. If he has

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<v Speaker 1>his C game, he'll have a chance to win. And

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that's a scary thing. And I think Andy,

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<v Speaker 1>everything you said about Rory and aggressiveness with the approach play,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like that could all be applied to Scotty,

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<v Speaker 1>if not applied heavier to Scotty where he can be

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<v Speaker 1>more aggressive knowing I can miss greens and still get

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<v Speaker 1>the ball up and down.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's an interesting Scotty is a super conservative player.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's like, I think that that would be

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<v Speaker 2>my one thing where like what's the adjustment period for

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<v Speaker 2>him to possibly shift his strategy to become a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit more aggressive. He might be right out of the gate.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, like, I think that's like probably an underrated

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<v Speaker 2>thing that people don't talk about. With Scotty and and

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<v Speaker 2>Ted Scott is those guys seemingly prepare for golf courses

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<v Speaker 2>as well, if not better than anybody else. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's easy when you look at like how he

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<v Speaker 2>hits the ball to say that, but I think their

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<v Speaker 2>game plan in general, like Scotty doesn't like give away stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>so I I I think I have some faith like

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<v Speaker 2>you're saying, like, I think like if it becomes who

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<v Speaker 2>can who can take on a little bit more risk

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<v Speaker 2>better than anybody else. Is the guy that hits the

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<v Speaker 2>best iron boat shots on tour?

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<v Speaker 1>Right, yes, yes, I mean and again like Andy, I

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<v Speaker 1>think and you can correct me here, but the one

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<v Speaker 1>part of Scotty's game that isn't the best in the

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<v Speaker 1>world is the putting. And it feels like at Piner's

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<v Speaker 1>Number two, when you get on these greens in verdiable positions,

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<v Speaker 1>the putts aren't extremely difficult. I mean, they can still

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<v Speaker 1>be tough, but it feels like once you find yourself

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<v Speaker 1>on these difficult greens to hit, that's not the hardest

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<v Speaker 1>part of the golf course.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the thing about Scotty is like it's similar

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<v Speaker 2>to Zlataurus, where it's like I I'm like terrified if

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<v Speaker 2>he's ten feet away that if I was putt playing

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<v Speaker 2>against him, I'm like, I would be terrified anytime he's

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<v Speaker 2>like seven or I think he's like very good outside

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<v Speaker 2>of eight feet. Like to me, it seems like he

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<v Speaker 2>makes a lot of twenty footers, Like just this is

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<v Speaker 2>anecdotal me watching golf, but it seems like he makes

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of mid range putts. I think the issue

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<v Speaker 2>is a little bit on the short, short putting side

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<v Speaker 2>of things. But I yeah, I'm not really worried. I think,

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<v Speaker 2>like the guy, his floor is so insanely high. All right.

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<v Speaker 2>My last thing, Uh, I think Xander took our best

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<v Speaker 2>player without a major off the board. I think he

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<v Speaker 2>was like, by far the best player without a major

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<v Speaker 2>when I'm when I'm zooming out, So I think like

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<v Speaker 2>we're back to like who's the best player without a major?

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<v Speaker 2>You got Ricky eight wins of players he's finished his

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<v Speaker 2>second in every major except for the PGA, which he's

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<v Speaker 2>finished third.

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<v Speaker 1>And play played played great at Pinehurst when it was

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<v Speaker 1>your last time.

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<v Speaker 2>Nine top fives and thirteen top tens. He's not playing

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<v Speaker 2>great golf right now, but he played well last year's

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<v Speaker 2>US Open. You got Victor eight wins, a FedEx Cup title,

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<v Speaker 2>only three top fives in majors obviously, the three top

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<v Speaker 2>fives have come in very short order recently. Again, when

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<v Speaker 2>you talk about young players, like he turned pro before

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<v Speaker 2>his senior year, so he's a little bit younger than

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<v Speaker 2>you would think, Like he's not. He wasn't a twenty

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<v Speaker 2>three year old rookie. So Victor is still young even

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<v Speaker 2>though he's been out there for a while now. Patrick

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<v Speaker 2>can't lay eight wins, only one major top five, twenty ninth.

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<v Speaker 1>Star crazy crazy, what was that was that? Twenty nineteen Masters.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's not playing good golf either.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And Max Homa six wins, one major, top five obviously

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<v Speaker 2>that was this year's Master's nineteen starts not that many starts.

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<v Speaker 2>Tony fenw six wins, four top fives and majors, ten

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<v Speaker 2>top tens and thirty two events. Like I kind of like,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's like feed or Victor.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Victor. For me, it's for sure Victor. I just

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<v Speaker 1>feel like the play of late in the majors, and

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I think you know you're forgetting that you're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about his top fives and the way he's played

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<v Speaker 1>in the majors. I mean, you forget final group at

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<v Speaker 1>the Open two years ago, playing alongside Rory like a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of different experiences in the majors over the last

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<v Speaker 1>couple of years, and obviously, I mean, you know, going

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<v Speaker 1>back to mister Mayo seems to have been an incredible

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<v Speaker 1>elixir for Victor. So I again, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't it seems like an odd It might be an

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<v Speaker 2>odd pairing, it might be an uncomfortable pairing, but it works.

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<v Speaker 2>That's sometimes how life works.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes those teammates on basketball teams aren't the most normal

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<v Speaker 1>of people together, but they work together. I mean, look

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<v Speaker 1>at Stephen Draymond for goodness sakes, you know, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think you'd necessarily pair those guys up personality wise, but

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<v Speaker 1>they've won a lot of championships together. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>this is a great golf course for Victor Hobblin personally,

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm again, if you're gonna expose a part of

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<v Speaker 1>the game, you hate that it exposed the part of

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<v Speaker 1>your game you struggle with the most. That being said,

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<v Speaker 1>who the heck knows With Victor. It seems like he

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<v Speaker 1>came out of nowhere at that PGA championship. So I

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<v Speaker 1>would say Victor is my easy answer for best player

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<v Speaker 1>currently without a major championship.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would, I would agree. I think like f

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<v Speaker 2>now's a sneaky second. I thought about putting like Tommy

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<v Speaker 2>Fleetwood in there, but there's just not off of a

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<v Speaker 2>winning resume outside of I think we're at like the

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<v Speaker 2>stage where it's like, I think Victor nobody deserves a major, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Like you don't look at anybody, and it's like we're

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<v Speaker 2>back to the stage where you feel like everybody who

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<v Speaker 2>who really deserves a major has a major.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe outside of Victor, I would say probably outside of Victory.

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<v Speaker 1>And you could maybe make that argument for Ricky from

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<v Speaker 1>back in the day, just because as good as as

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<v Speaker 1>good as Ricky played back in the day at the majors,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's a it's just like we're back, we've normalized

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<v Speaker 2>again where it's it's there. But all right, Shane, who

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<v Speaker 2>your pick is? Scotty your pick?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go cam Smith.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Scotty, all right, I got I got Scotty. Where

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<v Speaker 2>do you think the winning score is gonna be?

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<v Speaker 1>I think three underwins.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I'm gonna go to six.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, Okay, okay, only one person ever at a US

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<v Speaker 1>Open a pine has got the six hunder to win,

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<v Speaker 1>so I mean, actually only one person's ever gotten to

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<v Speaker 1>three hunderd to win, So we're both kind of going

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<v Speaker 1>off the off the norm over the last few years.

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<v Speaker 2>So all right, well this should be a great, great

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<v Speaker 2>US Open. Look forward to watching it, and uh hopefully

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<v Speaker 2>you know, people who listen on on Sunday morning will

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<v Speaker 2>listen to your your final round broadcast at corn Fairy.

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<v Speaker 1>Corn Fairy BMW, baby jump in. I think we're on

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<v Speaker 1>at U maybe like seven pm, five pm something like

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<v Speaker 1>that Eastern. Just look'll figure it out.

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<v Speaker 2>There'll be you know, a few thousand people that will

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<v Speaker 2>listen to this by then.

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<v Speaker 1>There you go.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Thanks Shane, we'll talk to you soon.

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<v Speaker 1>No problem, buddy, anytime.

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<v Speaker 2>All right. Today's episode was produced and edited by Matt Rusis.

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