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Speaker 1: Derek Eagleton. Hello, guys, welcome to another episode of The Break.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be hosting today's show. Derek should be walking
Speaker 1: in at any meme minute, who knows. Meg might be
Speaker 1: walking out at any minute, who knows. But well, we'll
Speaker 1: try to give you guys a good show today. We're
Speaker 1: watching practice. We'll get into some of the things happening,
Speaker 1: as well as some random fan questions that I received yesterday.
Speaker 1: How are you guys doing I'm so good, Age, I'm great,
Speaker 1: Thank you, that's good. You know who's not doing well?
Speaker 1: Some of these tight ends are here on the field.
Speaker 1: They have a game to play this Saturday, and they've
Speaker 1: only got one tight end practicing. So what's gonna happen here? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the fun. The fun storylines of training camp is like, obviously,
Speaker 1: you know, in terms of the Giants game, Everything's fine.
Speaker 1: Jason Witten's around and and Blake Jarwin and Dalton Schultz
Speaker 1: should be back at some point. But when you're trying
Speaker 1: to play a preseason game against the Texans and Marcus
Speaker 1: Lucas is the only guy available to get snaps, that's
Speaker 1: not great. Just trying to get on camera. Here there
Speaker 1: we go, look magic, No, but serious. So Jason Witten's
Speaker 1: taking a vet day right now, Dalton Schultz and Blake
Speaker 1: Jarwin are hobbled, and so there's literally one type. Do
Speaker 1: you expect when I mean I don't. I wouldn't expect so,
Speaker 1: But will you expect him to get more snaps? I
Speaker 1: think you know they'll it goes and it gradually gradually increases.
Speaker 1: So he played a few series the other night. He'll
Speaker 1: probably play close to halftime. He might do a little
Speaker 1: bit less because I think this is not going to
Speaker 1: be an address rehearsal though now I think it's gonna
Speaker 1: be the same as the Hawaii game, about fifteen snaps
Speaker 1: or so for the for the starters. I don't think
Speaker 1: they're treating it that way. And it sounds like Houston
Speaker 1: is so expect a big w there. That is a
Speaker 1: okay with party for Houston. Now. You know one thing though,
Speaker 1: it seems like it's happening around the league. More and
Speaker 1: more teams are just like not playing their starters. We
Speaker 1: saw it last week, yes, with the with the Rams.
Speaker 1: I just heard. I was riding in this morning and
Speaker 1: I heard it was the Colts and somebody else that's
Speaker 1: playing this week, and both teams are basically not playing
Speaker 1: their starters at all. I mean like not at all,
Speaker 1: And and it made me wonder, are more teams starting
Speaker 1: to do this? Are the Cowboys gonna at some points
Speaker 1: start doing this a little bit more? And rest just
Speaker 1: not putting their guys out there, or if they put
Speaker 1: them out there, it's for one or two series. There
Speaker 1: is no more of the dress rehearsal game, like you
Speaker 1: just said, what we've gotten used to. I mean, it
Speaker 1: does change things a little because you start seeing these
Speaker 1: injuries and teams start wondering is it worth to put
Speaker 1: guys out there. I think it was Kyle Shanahan, the
Speaker 1: forty nine Ers coach that said the other day he
Speaker 1: was like, I'd like it to be two games, Like
Speaker 1: one game for my guys to knock the rust off
Speaker 1: in another game to see the guys on the back
Speaker 1: end of the roster, and I think that's what it's
Speaker 1: trending toward. Honestly, I don't want to get too deep
Speaker 1: in the weeds, but I think the whole thing stems from, like,
Speaker 1: you know, they charge fans for these games, and so
Speaker 1: they want to keep the illusion of it being meaningful football.
Speaker 1: And I think the coaches are just tired of it,
Speaker 1: at least some of them. Yeah, this is nonsense, And
Speaker 1: everybody would get more money if you did it that way.
Speaker 1: I mean, the teams get more money, the players would
Speaker 1: get more money. I don't know if you're gonna play
Speaker 1: eighteen games, but you mean that's probably what you would do.
Speaker 1: You you'd play eighteen games, and so you'll have people
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter of those games showing up. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's all gonna be about this next CBA.
Speaker 1: That'll be one of the things they'll be negotiating is
Speaker 1: whether they'll change up. You know, how many regular season
Speaker 1: games they have, how many preseason games. I bet you
Speaker 1: when when the new CBA's decided, whenever that is, I
Speaker 1: bet you they'll decrease the number of preseason games. I
Speaker 1: think they'd all be happy with that. I would love that.
Speaker 1: Let's getting into some questions. Yesterday we talked quite a
Speaker 1: bit about Jalen's new contract extension, and I've received a
Speaker 1: question in regards to Lyle Collins, which is a guy
Speaker 1: that we've talked about, and you know, big question mark here,
Speaker 1: is it possible for him to stay here? Would he
Speaker 1: get more money somewhere else? With what happened with Jalen
Speaker 1: and his contract? Do you feel that Lyle gives the
Speaker 1: Cowboys the same hometown love that Jalen gave for then
Speaker 1: taking a chance on him when you know he fell
Speaker 1: down the board during the draft. I don't know who
Speaker 1: asked that question. It's a good question, though, and that's
Speaker 1: what and that's one that the Cowboys are have their
Speaker 1: fingers crossed that will will happen because they have done that.
Speaker 1: They did reach out for him, They've already given him
Speaker 1: one contract. They would like for him to do that.
Speaker 1: But you know, we'll see if if that happens. But
Speaker 1: either way, and Davis pointed this out before, either way
Speaker 1: on Lyle Collins, even the discounted deal for a hometown
Speaker 1: discount not breaking the bank, is still gonna flirt with
Speaker 1: the range of what Tyrant Smith is making he might
Speaker 1: create another issue there, but there hopeful of that. That's
Speaker 1: one guy that they're thinking if they're going to get
Speaker 1: a hometown deal, could be him, because it won't be
Speaker 1: MALIEK Collins. He's got the same agent as Dak. He's
Speaker 1: focused on something else right now, and which you know
Speaker 1: as he probably should be focused on something else. Right. Oh,
Speaker 1: I thought you'd say Malik was functually something else, right, Sorry,
Speaker 1: I mean, if Malik's focused on maximizing his payday, I
Speaker 1: can't blame the guy. That's for somebody that's battled so
Speaker 1: many injuries. I mean, yeah, if he can go out
Speaker 1: and have if he looks as good during the season
Speaker 1: as he does right now, he will be in line
Speaker 1: for a pretty sizable raise. That's still even if you
Speaker 1: get even if Lyle takes the hometown discount like you
Speaker 1: were saying, and that number is flirting with where they
Speaker 1: can't keep, I wouldn't assume they could keep. They can
Speaker 1: keep giving these big deals to that number of players, right, Well,
Speaker 1: go ahead, Connor, I mean, Connor mcgovernan's looked really good
Speaker 1: here at camp. He hasn't done anything, and that's something
Speaker 1: that you wish that you could start thinking, Okay, we
Speaker 1: got I know what we have here. I still think
Speaker 1: you know, you've got solid depth in the line. I
Speaker 1: think Suefilo is a player that you could keep for
Speaker 1: a while, and Connor might be might be a right tackle.
Speaker 1: So I could see them saying, we just can't pay everyone,
Speaker 1: and here's one that we've drafted well. And you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, Jalen just took a home down hometown discount.
Speaker 1: I was wrong about that. I said it yesterday, So
Speaker 1: anything's possible. But you're absolutely right, even a discount would
Speaker 1: be a huge deal. So I don't I have a
Speaker 1: hard time thinking they can find the space for him.
Speaker 1: And on top of that, Lyle already did that, like
Speaker 1: he took a discounted contract to kind of make some
Speaker 1: of his money back. And especially with the money he's
Speaker 1: you know, lost from everything that happened to him in
Speaker 1: the draft process, I would just assume he wants to
Speaker 1: go see what he can find on the open market
Speaker 1: because it will probably be a lot of money. And
Speaker 1: here's another question I would have for you guys. I
Speaker 1: think Lyle is a good tackle. I think he's a
Speaker 1: good right tackle. Do you think he's such a great
Speaker 1: right tackle that you have to spend the money rather
Speaker 1: than going back and saying, let's take a young guy
Speaker 1: and develop a young guy in that position. I think
Speaker 1: you're right about that this. I think you just play
Speaker 1: this year out. Let's see what Tyrn Smith does left
Speaker 1: side healthwise? Is he Is he good? I mean he's
Speaker 1: still got issues, back issues. I mean this team's got
Speaker 1: back issues now, you know. I mean think about it,
Speaker 1: he's got some back issues that keeping him out at times.
Speaker 1: Zack Martin's that hasn't practiced in a while. I was thinking.
Speaker 1: I was just thinking about the officsive line right now,
Speaker 1: just the line. I mean, so there's a lot of
Speaker 1: questions to be answered. Yeah, getting him locked up would
Speaker 1: be good if you if you can get it. I
Speaker 1: will say this and again I said that yesterday too.
Speaker 1: It's like you don't know everything that motivates these players
Speaker 1: all the time. And if there's a guy kind of
Speaker 1: like Tyrn Smith who like doesn't want to be bothered
Speaker 1: by all that type of stuff, Lyle strikes me as
Speaker 1: that type of guy. Like he's a he is a
Speaker 1: low key guy. He's close with his mom and his
Speaker 1: brother who live in Louisiana. I think he likes how
Speaker 1: close Dallas is to get out to the nature and
Speaker 1: fish and all that. Guy he doesn't. He doesn't strike
Speaker 1: me as a dude who wants to move to Buffalo
Speaker 1: just because they're offering him a lot of money. Point somebody. Honestly,
Speaker 1: that was not intended as a shot at Cole Beasley.
Speaker 1: I was not intended as a shot for Buffalo. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like a guy from Baton Rouge, Louisiana
Speaker 1: probably doesn't want to live in upstate New York. If
Speaker 1: I had to guess, Okay, that's all I'm saying. All right,
Speaker 1: you know anyway, well, yeah, I mean, like you said,
Speaker 1: upstate New York and and you know these negotiations, I'll
Speaker 1: just I'll just say I got a chance to talk
Speaker 1: to some people yesterday, and there's so many other things
Speaker 1: involved with the negotiations, and and state income tax has
Speaker 1: been has been mentioned a lot in the negotiations. And
Speaker 1: it's funny, it was it was Golf and Wentz have
Speaker 1: I mean, Wentz has a contract. Golf didn't get the
Speaker 1: second contract, but not not yet. But if it's funny
Speaker 1: if they had the exact same contract, apparently from what
Speaker 1: I was told, golf would make ten million dollars less
Speaker 1: than wins who they still have a state income tax there,
Speaker 1: So like California is crazy, yeah, and so that's one
Speaker 1: of the factors that like, you know, Dak, they're just
Speaker 1: looking at this list from all the websites to say,
Speaker 1: these are the highest paid players. But like where are
Speaker 1: you taking home? And that's what the Cowboys are trying
Speaker 1: to fight here. And there's other issues too, we can
Speaker 1: talk about later about the about guaranteed money and stuff
Speaker 1: like that that are factoring into the deal. I just
Speaker 1: looked it up in California and state income tax for
Speaker 1: the highest earners, which these guys would fall into thirteen
Speaker 1: point three percent. That's just your state income tax. That
Speaker 1: doesn't include whatever federal government taxes. You know they always
Speaker 1: so that does make a huge difference, right. We always say, like, man,
Speaker 1: it's it's so crazy, how like everybody on the Cowboys
Speaker 1: roster lives in Dallas, because that's not like that everywhere else.
Speaker 1: Is it really that crazy? Non? You think that it
Speaker 1: helps you keep a lot of money. By and by
Speaker 1: the way, former player, it's a ton of former players
Speaker 1: that didn't even play for Dallas, move here and want
Speaker 1: to live in the state of Texas, whether there's Dallas, Houston, Austin, whatever,
Speaker 1: because there is no state income tax. It makes a difference.
Speaker 1: You know, the other guy that's looking for a contract
Speaker 1: as Byron Jones. But I'm tired of the contract talk,
Speaker 1: so let's move on from that for a little bit.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about his injury. Where is it ad right now?
Speaker 1: I know fans keep asking is he really going to
Speaker 1: be ready for week one? We actually like, we actually
Speaker 1: saw something with him Today's um what you see he's
Speaker 1: doing well. He's been doing rehab, but he had his
Speaker 1: uniform on, he had his helmet on and his in
Speaker 1: his jersey, and he's still not doing football stuff. But
Speaker 1: that seems to me like a step in the right direction.
Speaker 1: If he's trying to get used to moving in his
Speaker 1: uniform again, that seems like a good sign. Garrett said,
Speaker 1: he's still a little bit away from getting off of pup,
Speaker 1: but maybe that'll happen in the next week or two.
Speaker 1: But everything I've heard is that he's still on track
Speaker 1: to try to be ready for the opener. On the field,
Speaker 1: we saw Sean Lee doing some things. Speaking of the
Speaker 1: linebackers group. Do you think that the Cowboys have the
Speaker 1: best linebacker combot in the NFL? Yeah? Oh, I know
Speaker 1: there's somebody that can. I mean, who Carolina's got somebody.
Speaker 1: It's not Thomas Davis anymore. Most um. From one to
Speaker 1: three it was somebody else though that I saw somebody
Speaker 1: put it something together on Twitter. It seemed like they
Speaker 1: were one or two. Forget Carolina, I mean Bobby Wagner
Speaker 1: and kJ right, are you that's what it was? But
Speaker 1: that was the one that they say was the best,
Speaker 1: and I agree that's probably the best one. From one
Speaker 1: to three, though, you probably got the best Jalen Layton
Speaker 1: and Sean It's hard to find. I mean, you got
Speaker 1: Pro bowlers or damn near pro bowlers at all three spots.
Speaker 1: It's not bad, are they? Okay? Again, Sorry, we're going
Speaker 1: all over the map with this. Okay, Are there any
Speaker 1: injuries right now that worry you? For Game one? Byron,
Speaker 1: all the all those guys, Byron, Tyrone Crawford, I just
Speaker 1: where what's he doing. I'm just worried about Tyrone because
Speaker 1: I don't know that I don't know what his role
Speaker 1: is even gonna be, Like, he's not I don't know that.
Speaker 1: They don't have like, they don't feel like they they're
Speaker 1: fine to be able to roll out Game one one
Speaker 1: without him. Byron immediately steps in and starts Game one
Speaker 1: if he's healthy. Yeah, I would assume Tyrone. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is so, this is a shorts and shells practice,
Speaker 1: as you can see from the monitor. But Tyrone's down there.
Speaker 1: He's so, he took yesterday off. But part of him
Speaker 1: and Demarcus's plan is that they're both out here today,
Speaker 1: so they're ramping up. But I mean, until I see
Speaker 1: him playing football, it just gives me pause. Let's let's
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about what and if you're not
Speaker 1: getting to watch, if you're just watching the podcast or
Speaker 1: listen to the podcast, sorry, but we're getting to watch this.
Speaker 1: Number five is a guy tearing Christian, kind of an
Speaker 1: interesting story, and they're playing him all over the place.
Speaker 1: They're trying to play him all over the place here,
Speaker 1: and I don't know, I have y'all seen two I've
Speaker 1: seen two drops in a row now from him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so this you know this is a fourth quarterback? Can
Speaker 1: you do everything? Return kicks, play running back, receiver? Explain
Speaker 1: why they're doing that though, it's not so that they
Speaker 1: can line him up on Sundays, explain what the purpose
Speaker 1: isn't doing that. Yeah, Jamial Showers is probably not going
Speaker 1: to be on the practice squad again. And you want
Speaker 1: a guy that can do multiple things. He's a perfect
Speaker 1: scout team player if he can do it. If heall
Speaker 1: run the ball, be another team's Russell Wilson at times,
Speaker 1: be another running back, scap back, just do a bunch
Speaker 1: of different things if you can do it, and they're
Speaker 1: trying to see if he can do it, just off
Speaker 1: the small sample sides that you're watching there, it's yeah, right,
Speaker 1: because the thing about the thing to consider here, and
Speaker 1: this is what I wanted to make sure fans understand.
Speaker 1: The thing to consider he is when you think about
Speaker 1: the roster and the number of players you have, you
Speaker 1: don't always have a ton of guys that can get
Speaker 1: out there and their purpose that week is to basically
Speaker 1: emulate what they're gonna face. And so if you can
Speaker 1: get a guy that has this multidimensional has some speed,
Speaker 1: has some quickness, can run routes, can play quarterback. Now
Speaker 1: what you can do is you can take that guy
Speaker 1: and whoever you're playing that week. If you have a
Speaker 1: dynamic player or a quarterback, maybe he's the Scout team
Speaker 1: quarterback that way. If you have a dynamic player at receiver,
Speaker 1: maybe he's a Scout team receiver that week. It gives
Speaker 1: you some opportunities to kind of move him around. If
Speaker 1: you got a player that you're plan that really is
Speaker 1: a that can play multiple spots, maybe you can use
Speaker 1: him in that way. That's why a player like him
Speaker 1: becomes valuable to you, if he has a lot of
Speaker 1: different skills. What's going to be interesting is you see
Speaker 1: the screen here at number three, Mike White. I can't
Speaker 1: imagine him making the team. I can't imagine him being
Speaker 1: on showing anything where you're like, we've got to hang
Speaker 1: on to him. And I can't really see another team
Speaker 1: saying we'll take him and put him on our on
Speaker 1: our roster. So I think he would be practice squad eligible.
Speaker 1: He would to come back. Do you need two quarterbacks
Speaker 1: now on your practice squad? You could make an argument
Speaker 1: that tarn Christian could be more valuable to you because
Speaker 1: of all the different stuff he can do. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: do you have room for two quarterbacks on your practice squad?
Speaker 1: I don't remember the Cowboys ever doing that. Maybe they have,
Speaker 1: but Mike White is purely a quarterback, whereas tarn Christian
Speaker 1: could conceivably do five or six different things for you.
Speaker 1: So that's definitely something to watch. I said, White throws
Speaker 1: an interception to Jeff. Was that mikey? Uh wait? What? Oh? Yeah?
Speaker 1: That was that. Let's go ahead and take a break.
Speaker 1: When we come back, let's discuss how these young guys
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Speaker 1: we talked about the Marcus Lawrence. We know that there
Speaker 1: are some of other veteran guys on the D line
Speaker 1: that our angel is still recovering. With that happening, I'm
Speaker 1: glad everybody gets to see that. Yeah they do. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to see they see the other end of it.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to integrate my social with my radio with
Speaker 1: all that good stuff. I'll tag you don't worry Amber,
Speaker 1: thank you. All right. Well, with that being said, these
Speaker 1: guys being now younger guys getting more time to practice,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, how have you seen their development and
Speaker 1: how how can you award winning? Thanks? How do you
Speaker 1: how do you feel that their development is going at
Speaker 1: this point? I see some fans are are kind of
Speaker 1: concerned that during the games they haven't necessarily seen much
Speaker 1: happening from the D line, and these younger guys not
Speaker 1: many flashes going on. So how do you feel at
Speaker 1: this point I disagree with that though. I think I
Speaker 1: have seen those guys flash. Wow, I have seen those
Speaker 1: guys flash. I mean, you know, Walker and and I
Speaker 1: mean they've been there. I think you know, you look
Speaker 1: at you look at the defensive line. Defensive line to me,
Speaker 1: has probably been the area where there's been more flash
Speaker 1: of any position that you could say in the preseason.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, I think those guys have flashed quite
Speaker 1: a bit. What do you guys there? I mean Nick
Speaker 1: has been in love with Jail and Jelks since we
Speaker 1: got to camp, and he hasn't given him any reason
Speaker 1: not to be. I mean, yeah, they all kind of
Speaker 1: take take their turns. Ye, Ricky Walker has really shown
Speaker 1: up since the game started. Um, if I'm just going again,
Speaker 1: you know, you can form your own opinions based on
Speaker 1: watching it. But if I'm just going from having conversations
Speaker 1: with people like they love Joe Jacks Joe, Yes, they
Speaker 1: really like him. And I know we're talking about defensive line,
Speaker 1: but it would a guy just had the interception and
Speaker 1: I can just tell you Donovan Wilson on the team,
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna make that like that. And I
Speaker 1: said that too, and I was like, yeah, it looks
Speaker 1: like he's gonna make it, and it was like, no, no,
Speaker 1: he's on the team. Yeah. Bill Parcells did that one time,
Speaker 1: like two thousand and four. There's a linebacker out of
Speaker 1: Texas named Kalen Thornton. I don't know if you remember.
Speaker 1: He ended up having micro factor Jalen dancing right now.
Speaker 1: He's gonna be on the team too. Yeah. But but
Speaker 1: Bill just said told the whole he was like, he's
Speaker 1: he's on the team. He was just like real emphatic
Speaker 1: and that I kind of got that out of day
Speaker 1: A nice catch by Cedric Wilson. I got that from
Speaker 1: that Donovan Um. It was Cooper brushed it through that
Speaker 1: Donovan Wilson on the team. So if you wanted Darren
Speaker 1: Thompson cave On Fraser, they can figure that out. I
Speaker 1: love No, cavan is the one you're gonna be watching on. Like,
Speaker 1: if you think about this whole roster and you're like,
Speaker 1: what guys am I gonna be looking for when I
Speaker 1: look at cuts, that's the name I'm gonna be lying.
Speaker 1: That's nervous. I am nervous for my guy Cavon, But
Speaker 1: I mean I'm not Chris Richard by any stretch. But
Speaker 1: Donovan Wilson, he's got plenty of growing to do. But
Speaker 1: like he looks a lot more comfortable in coverage than
Speaker 1: your average sixth round and rookie. He might be pads
Speaker 1: off on the Thursday night game. Really yeah, he might be.
Speaker 1: I mean he got enough bodies for that. That's a
Speaker 1: pretty big Okay, we don't need him getting injured. See
Speaker 1: your favorite, he's your favorite rookie safety since a MODD.
Speaker 1: Dixon wre thirty seven? Is he gonna he's gonna like
Speaker 1: he was thirty six? Actually? I think he was. I
Speaker 1: think you're right. Don't get us started on numbers hopefully. Sorry,
Speaker 1: can we just messed it up and we forgot s.
Speaker 1: We messed it up bad. Sorry about that. But Donovan
Speaker 1: Wilson's been great. Well, give me a quick prediction. So
Speaker 1: we've seen how good the defense has been all through
Speaker 1: all training camp. They I think that they've been better
Speaker 1: than the offense overall. I would agree with that, and
Speaker 1: we've seen picks going on here and there. So would
Speaker 1: you say that the defense would have more than five
Speaker 1: interest this year? Freaking better? They better? Is that? How
Speaker 1: they had more than that? Last year, right, I don't remember, honestly,
Speaker 1: I know well, I know let and Woods tied, Leyton
Speaker 1: and Xavierwoods tied for the team lead with two And
Speaker 1: that's just not good enough, not first of all, not
Speaker 1: for how much talent they have, and second of all,
Speaker 1: not for what we've seen. Yeah, these guys don't even
Speaker 1: really have a pass rush right now. DeMarcus Lawrence is
Speaker 1: not practiced, YadA, YadA, YadA, and they're getting their hands
Speaker 1: on everything. Like if I was trying, if I was
Speaker 1: trying to sell a pessimistic Cowboys fan on why this
Speaker 1: they should be excited that the team will be better,
Speaker 1: I would probably say because it looks like the back
Speaker 1: seven of this defense has taken a step. Everybody from
Speaker 1: Xavier Woods to Cheeto to Jordan Lewis to Leyton and
Speaker 1: Jalen don't look like they've experienced any kind of drop
Speaker 1: off during the offseason, and they just look like they're
Speaker 1: ready to ball out and taking a step in an
Speaker 1: area that they haven't consistently been good at, which is
Speaker 1: taking the ball away. That's something that it looks like
Speaker 1: from what we've seen so far, even there even just
Speaker 1: getting their hands on it, which yeah, like interceptions are king,
Speaker 1: but just even getting your hand on the football is
Speaker 1: so important, and they've been doing that all through camp. Yep, all,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you three names. You need to tell
Speaker 1: me who makes the roster, who goes to the practice squad,
Speaker 1: and who you say goodbye to? All Right, all right,
Speaker 1: look Gifford, Donovan A. Lumba, and then Devin Smith. Who
Speaker 1: do you keep on the roster out of those three?
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody's you're saying by it to anybody
Speaker 1: on that and that group. If you had to, well, okay,
Speaker 1: well I'm gonna be I'm gonna be really annoying right
Speaker 1: now and say I don't like Luke Gifford's not technically
Speaker 1: technically gonna be on the roster because I think they'll
Speaker 1: probably I was injured reserve when the season starts. But
Speaker 1: Luke Gifford is going to make the team, like if
Speaker 1: he was going somewhere, it would have happened by now.
Speaker 1: So he's on the team. I doubt he'll be on
Speaker 1: the fifty three because they'll move him to IR. Donovan
Speaker 1: Alumba is tough. I'm I lean toward thinking he'll be
Speaker 1: on the team because you can't risk having him go
Speaker 1: on waivers. Yeah, who is the last? Oh, Devin Smith?
Speaker 1: Those are both really like those. I said this the
Speaker 1: other day, like the coaching staff has probably made up
Speaker 1: their mind about forty of these guys, you know, like
Speaker 1: they know they know it might even be forty five,
Speaker 1: Like there might only be six spots where they're still
Speaker 1: not sure. And I think Devin Smith and Donovan Olumba
Speaker 1: are two of those though, like they gotta keep this
Speaker 1: going all the way through. I think both of those
Speaker 1: guys will play both of these preseason games. And I
Speaker 1: would think the interesting thing about those two players, Smith
Speaker 1: and Alumba. The reason that one of them might be
Speaker 1: here is because of speed. The reason one of them
Speaker 1: might not be is because of speed Alumba. It can
Speaker 1: get his hands on the ball and all that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff. But if you put them out against elite players,
Speaker 1: he's gonna be exposed. And that's the fear with him.
Speaker 1: He just can't run. He doesn't run like the other
Speaker 1: guys and mace up for it with size and length,
Speaker 1: but he's also playing against getting third receivers on this team.
Speaker 1: I think if you put them in games, even in
Speaker 1: special teams, I think the speed is a problem. Devin
Speaker 1: Smith the other, on the other hand, that's what's keeping
Speaker 1: them in the equation is the speed. So it's interesting
Speaker 1: that those two guys are being paired up like this,
Speaker 1: and I think what they say speed kills right, what's
Speaker 1: interesting comes down to it. I would say Devin Smith
Speaker 1: over Alumba if that's the last guy, I think, I
Speaker 1: think you go that route. I don't want to diminish
Speaker 1: anything that Alumba's either. I mean, no, no no, But what
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say is, you know, we we say this
Speaker 1: all the time. It's like every team's got a John
Speaker 1: Vay Johnson, Like every team's got a fast receiver that
Speaker 1: they don't think they can stash. But every team's probably
Speaker 1: got a talented cornerback who needs some sort more seasoning too.
Speaker 1: So it wouldn't surprise me if he did get through
Speaker 1: the practice squad. But Alumba, I will say this though,
Speaker 1: I don't know that what I've seen from him during
Speaker 1: training camp in the preseason, I don't know that I've
Speaker 1: seen that many times with the Cowboys when you get
Speaker 1: to the depth of their cornerback. So I don't know
Speaker 1: that every team has that in camp you might be right.
Speaker 1: I think it's hard to find good cornerback talent, and
Speaker 1: I would I hear what you're saying, Nick, and I
Speaker 1: agree with it. I would love to see for myself
Speaker 1: what he looks like against some of that elite competition.
Speaker 1: I would love for him to throw him out there
Speaker 1: against one, because the way I look at a lumba,
Speaker 1: if I'm keeping him, I'm not keeping him so much
Speaker 1: for this year. I'm keeping him because I don't know
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen with Byron Jones next year. I don't
Speaker 1: know what's gonna happen with Anthony Brown next year. I
Speaker 1: want to have some insurance so that if I need
Speaker 1: to have a guy kind of step in, I've developed
Speaker 1: him to the point where he's ready to step in
Speaker 1: by next year and be a guy that's contributing a
Speaker 1: lot more if you feel like he's good enough to
Speaker 1: be able to handle that elite talent. Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: the question is more about Mike Jackson round pick. But
Speaker 1: I think at this point, I think you can you know,
Speaker 1: I think you we're gonna find out this year of
Speaker 1: these what this team really thinks about their draft picks.
Speaker 1: From first round picks, all the way down to seventh
Speaker 1: round picks. And so was that Daniel Ross that just
Speaker 1: swatted the ball out of Mike White's hand in the
Speaker 1: pocket like that. I think it was just brutalizing this
Speaker 1: third quarterback. Yeah, it's not great today. Um, that's a
Speaker 1: good that's a good point though. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: taco Taco's not safe. And I'm curious about Mike Jackson too,
Speaker 1: because they love holding onto their draft picks. They do
Speaker 1: not cut rookie draft picks very often. But but Donovan
Speaker 1: Olumba has clearly had a better camp than him. Clearly,
Speaker 1: I see a lot of people keep asking about Randy
Speaker 1: Gregory and what's going on with him. They understand that
Speaker 1: he has not applied to be reinstated yet. Here's Derek's
Speaker 1: favorite question. Is there a reason why? That is Derek's
Speaker 1: favorite question? You never want to see that text on
Speaker 1: your phone. So is there a reason why we haven't
Speaker 1: heard about Randy's amp? That's usually it's the set. Like
Speaker 1: I said this before, like I wish I had more
Speaker 1: for y'all on Randy Gregory, Like it's it's always so
Speaker 1: convoluted with him, there's always like five different storylines. You know,
Speaker 1: like somebody will report that he's applying for reinstatement and
Speaker 1: then the truth is that he's actually organizing his application
Speaker 1: for in statement. I really don't know, and it's been quiet.
Speaker 1: I honestly. I talked to somebody before we went to
Speaker 1: camp and I was like, you think we'll see Randy
Speaker 1: while we're in California? And that person was like, I
Speaker 1: think we'll see him. Maybe not on the football field,
Speaker 1: but I think we'll see him. So that clearly didn't happen.
Speaker 1: So I'm just being around the team, I guess, but
Speaker 1: clearly that hasn't happened. And no, in this case, no
Speaker 1: news seems like bad news. So I don't know. And
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people are asking about that
Speaker 1: because Josh Gordon just got reinstated, but man, what with
Speaker 1: ten days or however many days it is until they
Speaker 1: cut the roster. Like, I'm just assuming we're not going
Speaker 1: to see him in the near future, and if he does,
Speaker 1: I mean, everyone's worried about Zeke's you know, conditioning, and
Speaker 1: what's he going to be like when he comes back.
Speaker 1: I mean, what do you think about Randy Gregory? I know,
Speaker 1: I do. I know from talking to people that he's
Speaker 1: he's working or he was the last time I checked
Speaker 1: in on it. Like he's got trainers and stuff and
Speaker 1: he's not out of you know, he should he should
Speaker 1: be in shape. Obviously that's so much different than actually
Speaker 1: playing football. But I think he's been working. I just
Speaker 1: don't know what that means as far as when he
Speaker 1: might be able to come. Josh, Gordon, Gregory and Zeke
Speaker 1: they're all they're all the same in the fact that
Speaker 1: they've been called freaks before, athletic freaks of nature, and
Speaker 1: they if anybody can do not be around the team
Speaker 1: and come back and kind of get themselves involved, they
Speaker 1: can do it. I don't know how effective they'll be,
Speaker 1: but it would be fun. It would be fun if
Speaker 1: he came back. I just it's one of those things
Speaker 1: where I got to see it to believe it's going
Speaker 1: to happen. And he's also had a position where you
Speaker 1: can sometimes afford to go to come in and go
Speaker 1: get the quarterback. You line him up one third down
Speaker 1: and say just go get that guy. If he got
Speaker 1: real secret to where he's right, if he got let's
Speaker 1: hypothetically not saying anything, but if he hypothetically got reinstated
Speaker 1: the week of the Giants game, he would be rushing
Speaker 1: the passer. By the Dolphins game, which is week three,
Speaker 1: like two weeks after that, they'd be like, yeah, we're
Speaker 1: gonna give them eight snaps. Robert Quinn coming off a suspension.
Speaker 1: Oh see, that goes back to the whole. That would
Speaker 1: be fun thing, That would be fun. Let's go ahead
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Speaker 1: The Cowboys are stretching on the fields. They've ended their
Speaker 1: practice for this the final practice for this week before
Speaker 1: they face the Tech Sands at and T Stadium this Saturday. Now,
Speaker 1: I have a few Zeke questions for you guys. You
Speaker 1: left us with a doozy right one. Fans want to
Speaker 1: know at one point should the Cowboys start considering trading Zeke?
Speaker 1: A point? At no point? Why wouldn't. I mean, you
Speaker 1: seem kind of that fool over there, and I am yeah.
Speaker 1: If you say at no point, walk me walk me
Speaker 1: through this, I mean, you're right, I guess there is
Speaker 1: a point. But first of all, I still don't believe
Speaker 1: he's gonna miss games, right, agree with you? I would
Speaker 1: have to be It would have to happen first before
Speaker 1: I'm even thinking about it, um multiple and then and
Speaker 1: then what's what what price are you going to get
Speaker 1: it for it? Especially in the middle of the season.
Speaker 1: And you know, at that point, let's say, okay, as
Speaker 1: Zeke has missed like six games, it's obvious he's not
Speaker 1: going to report, and honestly, that would probably damage the
Speaker 1: relationship here beyond repair. So do you do it in
Speaker 1: the middle of the season before the trade deadline? Could
Speaker 1: you get somebody to give you a first round pick
Speaker 1: for Zeke like you did with Amari Cooper? So here's
Speaker 1: the deal. It ultimately will depend too on how stubborn
Speaker 1: the Cowboys want to be and what I mean by
Speaker 1: that is, let's say you get let's say that picture
Speaker 1: you just paint is accurate. It's gonna be miss six
Speaker 1: games at this point. And let's say, by the way,
Speaker 1: Cowboys are still doing pretty well. They they're running games decent,
Speaker 1: too good to better. Maybe it's better and their team's winning.
Speaker 1: I almost wonder if the Cowboys look at it like,
Speaker 1: unless we get an offer that blows our socks off,
Speaker 1: just out of principle, so other players don't try this later,
Speaker 1: we're gonna let you sit. And if you want to
Speaker 1: sit for the next two to three years, we'll let
Speaker 1: you sit for the next two to three years while
Speaker 1: we own your rights. You can show up if you choose.
Speaker 1: If you don't, you can sit at home. Either way
Speaker 1: your only two choices, or to play for us or
Speaker 1: not play football at all. And I wonder if they
Speaker 1: would be that hardcore in a situation like that and
Speaker 1: just be like, unless we get a great offer, we're
Speaker 1: not we're not dealing with the tone that's coming from
Speaker 1: the Jones family recently suggests that they might be willing
Speaker 1: to do that. In my opinion, but that and I
Speaker 1: guess that's my thing is like nobody's gonna give you
Speaker 1: a high enough price to make it worth it. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like somebody gives you a one,
Speaker 1: it's worth it. It's somebody gonna give you a one,
Speaker 1: maybe not knowing no. I mean, if you're trading for Zeke,
Speaker 1: you are doing so with the understanding that you have
Speaker 1: to give him a new contract, because that's why he's
Speaker 1: not here in the first book. I get all that,
Speaker 1: and I agree with you that it's not likely. I'm saying.
Speaker 1: What I do know is that they're thirty two teams
Speaker 1: in this league, and often they do things. One of
Speaker 1: them decides to do some things that I'm like, that's
Speaker 1: a brain dead And you're okay, you're right because AG asked,
Speaker 1: at what point do you do it? And I guess,
Speaker 1: if it's mid season and he's not here and somebody
Speaker 1: wants to give me a one, then I will do it.
Speaker 1: And I guess the reason why I said there's no
Speaker 1: point is because I don't see that. I also don't
Speaker 1: see Zeke missing games. I'll say it for a ten
Speaker 1: millionth time, so I'm just not even fretting about it. Oh,
Speaker 1: we shall see all right. Back at training camp, we
Speaker 1: listen to a lot of his teammates talk about how
Speaker 1: they understand what's going on and they support his business.
Speaker 1: You know, now that fans are starting to kind of
Speaker 1: turn on this whole thing, do you think that his
Speaker 1: teammates are maybe starting to turn on him as well?
Speaker 1: At this point? I think I think his teammates probably
Speaker 1: approached a lot like I do. Like he's handling his business.
Speaker 1: He's trying to get a new contract. I think as
Speaker 1: guys who would like new contracts of their own and
Speaker 1: understand the business of the NFL. I think they respect that.
Speaker 1: I think the only way it could turn is if
Speaker 1: he's not here when the games start. I think you're
Speaker 1: probably talking about something different than then sorry nobody. But
Speaker 1: if he's not here for games, then you're like, well,
Speaker 1: now you're affecting my ability to like I'm trying to
Speaker 1: win games, play well, reach the playoffs, and improve not
Speaker 1: just my team standing but my lot in life. And
Speaker 1: you are messing with that if you're not there for games.
Speaker 1: And I think that's when players would get mad. I
Speaker 1: agree with that, but I think there's a caveat to that.
Speaker 1: I think that doesn't happen by week one if he's
Speaker 1: not here, because like I said, I think they play
Speaker 1: the game. If they win the game, and running games good,
Speaker 1: everything looks pretty good. I don't I think they say
Speaker 1: handling your business, man, you're handling your business because again,
Speaker 1: it's not affecting my business. Right now, Let's say that
Speaker 1: he doesn't show up and they go on a three
Speaker 1: game losing street to start the season and the running
Speaker 1: game is atrocious. Yeah, Now, I think you can have
Speaker 1: a situation where people in the locker room start saying, dude,
Speaker 1: you ain't helping us, Like, if you ain't helping us,
Speaker 1: then you need to either you need to do something
Speaker 1: different because your responsibility is to the team and you're
Speaker 1: not handling your response. And it's I mean, the same
Speaker 1: thing with Levion Bell, like all those guys had his
Speaker 1: back until he didn't show up when it mattered. And
Speaker 1: literally I don't remember who it was, but like guys
Speaker 1: on the Steelers were like, he told us he'd be
Speaker 1: here for the offensive lineman talking about it and they're like,
Speaker 1: he told us he'd be here when it mattered, and
Speaker 1: he's not here. Yeah, And that's when you run the
Speaker 1: risk of making your teammates mad. I don't think they
Speaker 1: care right now, I really don't we DeMarcus Lawrence, and
Speaker 1: I respect it. He did his own thing where he
Speaker 1: held off on getting shoulder surgery because he knew that
Speaker 1: would give him leverage. Like these guys know, you gotta
Speaker 1: do what you gotta do when you're you know, the
Speaker 1: at best, your career might last ten years. They understand that. Derek,
Speaker 1: you mentioned the three game losing streak, ce or No,
Speaker 1: do you see the Cowboys possibly going there without Zeek? No?
Speaker 1: The teams that they're playing the first three games of
Speaker 1: the season, I think they got even without Zeke. I
Speaker 1: think they got more talent than those teams, so I
Speaker 1: think they should be able to be Okay. Maybe they
Speaker 1: don't win them all three I doubt very seriously, they
Speaker 1: go oh and three to open the season. If they
Speaker 1: go oh and three against those teams to open the season,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a long, I wander long year. I
Speaker 1: bet Zeke is privately miffed at the start of the
Speaker 1: schedule so weak. He's like, why can't we start with
Speaker 1: like Saints Packers? Yeah, because that next the next four
Speaker 1: after that, Oh yeah, that's when you're like, oh wow,
Speaker 1: that's gonna be that's gonna be a tough comfort competition.
Speaker 1: Maybe I run the risk of sounding like a home
Speaker 1: but they should. They should be good enough to go
Speaker 1: three and oh against New York Washington in Miami without Zeke.
Speaker 1: They should be able to win all three of those
Speaker 1: games without Zeke. I don't know if they will. Washington's
Speaker 1: usually pretty dramatic, like division games are usually Washington's hard,
Speaker 1: and it's it's on the road that'll be hard. At
Speaker 1: the same time, like since Dak got here, what they're
Speaker 1: they're five and one against Washington during Dak's tenure, and
Speaker 1: I don't think they had Zeke for all of those like,
Speaker 1: but it seems to be those are hard games. It's
Speaker 1: not like they're always tough, but you usually win. Like
Speaker 1: they should beat those three teams without And by the way,
Speaker 1: you're playing in one of those games, you're playing a
Speaker 1: rookie quarterback. That'll be a second game in Washington. That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So again, you should have every advantage
Speaker 1: to be able to be successful. If it's not Dwayne Haskins,
Speaker 1: then it's case Keenom. You should I mean, if this
Speaker 1: is the top five defense, you should be able to
Speaker 1: beat case Keenom. So I think they're I think they're okay.
Speaker 1: I'm not worrying. That's the part that should worry in
Speaker 1: my opinion, if I were Zeke in his camp, that
Speaker 1: would worry me because if I'm thinking about holding out games,
Speaker 1: the perception of my value diminishes with every win they get,
Speaker 1: and especially if the running game looks pretty good, right
Speaker 1: every for everyone those fourteen yard touchdown runs it Tony
Speaker 1: Poller has that he had last week. Ye, his his
Speaker 1: his leverage diminishes a bit, at least in public perception. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just I have to see it to believe that
Speaker 1: he's gonna be willing to do that, because, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it would involve I think he would have to
Speaker 1: sit out for five or six weeks to genuinely make
Speaker 1: his point. And I just don't. I don't see it.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be tough, all right, shoot him? Okay? Final
Speaker 1: question or well do the final question? Alright? Should Amari
Speaker 1: Cooper sign before the season in case Michael Gallup develops
Speaker 1: into a number one quality receiver? Do you think that
Speaker 1: Gallup's development could affect, at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: how the Cowboys designed to handle a Mari's contract. I
Speaker 1: saw somebody asked that the other day. One, I don't
Speaker 1: think so, because one, okay Zeke or no Zeke. This
Speaker 1: is a run oriented team with a quarterback that I
Speaker 1: think is going to run more. You've got Jason Witten,
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper theoretically should play for you. You've got Randall Cobble. Like,
Speaker 1: even if Michael Gallup is as good as I think
Speaker 1: he will be, he's not gonna catch like even sixty
Speaker 1: passes this year probably, like there's just not enough football
Speaker 1: to go around. But on top of that, like the
Speaker 1: trade for Amari Cooper only makes sense if you sign
Speaker 1: him up long term, like it that's the only way
Speaker 1: it makes sense. Because so you're gonna give up a
Speaker 1: first round pick, which means you have control of him
Speaker 1: for five years. Like Layton vander esh is going to
Speaker 1: be playing for you for cheap for at least three,
Speaker 1: if not five years, because you hit on him in
Speaker 1: the draft. If you don't let if you don't resign
Speaker 1: a Marie Cooper, you got what twenty games out of
Speaker 1: him and then let him go. So I know it's
Speaker 1: a lot of money to give the guy, but it's
Speaker 1: just a forfeit of a draft pick. If you don't
Speaker 1: keep him around here long term. And I don't know
Speaker 1: why you wouldn't want to. Like he's a good character guy,
Speaker 1: he's obviously a good ballplayer. Like I have no problem
Speaker 1: signing him to a long term deal, So I that
Speaker 1: would be strange to me if they just decided they
Speaker 1: didn't want to do it. Derek agrees with that. Cool
Speaker 1: cool beans very well. All right, guys, this is all
Speaker 1: the time we have for today. I know there's gonna
Speaker 1: be another show tomorrow. The Cowboys won't be practicing, but
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