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Speaker 2: So you have that to look forward to, which is

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Speaker 2: very very nice. Must be twenty one or older to enter.

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Speaker 2: How you living? Z?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing it great, I really am. I enjoy being

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Speaker 3: here as a beautiful venue. We got lots of eight venuvs.

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Speaker 2: I like, yeah. Boy. We mentioned in the new studio

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Speaker 2: if we have some sort of a setup like this

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Speaker 2: with all the TVs, I think we should. And also

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Speaker 2: with that so I thought partners we could use some

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Speaker 2: of that cocktails. Yeah that's right, you said it.

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Speaker 3: And no bit here we are unfortunately, you know, onto

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Speaker 3: another week, onto Tennessee. But yeah, you know, the sports

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Speaker 3: world has been interesting. It was an absolute beating last night.

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Speaker 3: And let me just say this, that was easy to

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Speaker 3: see coming a mile away. Number two Vrabel is an

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Speaker 3: incredible coach, motivator, has that culture completely where it needs

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Speaker 3: to be, a championship culture. Drake may is I think,

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Speaker 3: probably the best quarterback out of that class, and it's

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Speaker 3: amazing now when you think about it. Jane Daniels probably

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Speaker 3: was the answer after year one. Yes, but no doubt

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Speaker 3: you're gonna have And I don't know where Chicago ends

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Speaker 3: up this year. I don't know where New England ends

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Speaker 3: up this year. But the first three picks in that

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Speaker 3: draft are all gonna make the playoffs within their first

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Speaker 3: two seasons in the league. There's a good chance that

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Speaker 3: two of them are the number one seeds. And let's

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Speaker 3: not forget Jane Daniels and the Commanders. They had a

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Speaker 3: lot of injuries this year, and he's been injured in particular.

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Speaker 3: They went to the NFC Championship Game a year ago.

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Speaker 3: So you're gonna have a top three in that draft

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Speaker 3: that's gonna lead their teams at least to the playoffs

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Speaker 3: and if not significantly into the playoffs, potentially for all

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Speaker 3: three of them within their first two seasons in the league,

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Speaker 3: which is really impressive.

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Speaker 2: Right now, the two to one seeds are quarterback quarterbacks

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Speaker 2: from that draft, right the first caliber and Drake first

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Speaker 2: jayde and it was really good life. He was unbelievab

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Speaker 2: last year, but it is it is hard not to

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Speaker 2: think to the RG three stuff with the injury and

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Speaker 2: all of that. He just needs to stay upright, YEP

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Speaker 2: is going to be the key for him going forward.

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Speaker 2: The crazy thing about Drake May is you and I

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Speaker 2: were at that combine there was no conversation about Drake May.

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Speaker 2: At one there was a conversation about or a second.

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Speaker 2: It was all Caleb all the time. I'll give herb

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Speaker 2: Street some flowers. He did like Jade and Daniels better

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Speaker 2: than Caleb. I remember him vividly saying that that he

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Speaker 2: preferred him. But there was no conversation none about potentially

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Speaker 2: Drake May being the best quarterback in that draft. There

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Speaker 2: just wasn't. And he is. And I think what's even

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Speaker 2: more remarkable about him which makes me think he's even

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Speaker 2: better than what he's showing you right now. Is he

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Speaker 2: was drafted by a regime that is no longer there.

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Speaker 2: From a coaching standpoint, Elliott still there is the GM,

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Speaker 2: and of course Ellie was with us, was a great

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Speaker 2: friend of the program, would visit us many, many times.

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Speaker 2: So so Elliott's over there as the general manager. But

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Speaker 2: it's a new coaching staff. They don't really have anything

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Speaker 2: scary in terms of weapons at all.

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Speaker 3: No, they have the end of career Stefan Diggs, They've

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Speaker 3: got Booty, They've got some guys Pop Douglas, They've they

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Speaker 3: hit home runs. Travion is probably their best weapon, but

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Speaker 3: he really wasn't even a factor in the last night's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Mike really likes him. I don't know if McDaniel does.

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Speaker 2: he produces in a big way. But he's overcome all

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Speaker 2: if you think about Lawrence, And I mean, there's a

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Speaker 2: in a three or four person race for the MVP.

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Speaker 3: I was just gonna say, I think he might even

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Speaker 3: MVP of verdict. That was a lot of talk this

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Speaker 3: morning about that, and you know they're going to get

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Speaker 2: But he's incredibly impressive.

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Speaker 3: Let me say this as well, which I know is

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Speaker 3: hopefully Ceciliano's tuned in here right now. I understand that

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Speaker 2: They mean, that is just the beautiful incredible. Yeah, it's beautiful,

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Speaker 2: So yeah, they looked great. They played great. I want

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Speaker 2: to say it was the third was it the second touchdown?

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Speaker 2: The one that he threw the the go and just

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Speaker 3: In a bucket. You know, he's that's I mean, think

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Speaker 3: He's a much better runner than I think people realize.

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Speaker 3: to be. He's awesome. I also would say, real quick

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Speaker 3: the Phil Simms eras.

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Speaker 2: Just roll with that. Those units are great.

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Speaker 3: These are the kind I know, these are the elies,

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Speaker 3: but these especially the whites with the Phil Simms Era.

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Speaker 2: They're beautiful. I think this is the ELI like Frank Gifford. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: Second, where are all the people that were like trade

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Speaker 3: out of number two getting a generational talent? Guys, he's

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Speaker 3: really you know, Mike Calls a defensive tackle like Mason

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Speaker 3: Graham has a half a sack, but he's a defensive tackle.

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Speaker 3: It's different. Still you want his but he's made a

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Speaker 3: then the you know, he got benched at the beginning

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Speaker 3: I know they don't have who is their culture leader?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: We don't know because when you look at it, you

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Speaker 3: say to yourself, Okay, it was dable. He's been fired.

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Speaker 3: Kafka's the interim, so nobody there who's gonna check him?

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Speaker 3: Because what was his answer? He's like, oh, blank, blank happens.

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Speaker 3: But what does that mean He's already answered it. No,

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Speaker 3: you didn't answer it. You didn't answer How does a

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Speaker 3: How does a rookie, I don't care where you're drafted

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Speaker 2: What I'm saying. And it's that mark not even good

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Speaker 2: Like it's not one of these markets where they put

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Speaker 2: not going to put up with it. Yes, it would

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Speaker 2: be one thing if he was playing really well. Yes,

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Speaker 2: it's another thing given what he's doing. No, absolutely, I

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Speaker 2: He's not going to survive he I mean, I was

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Speaker 2: so glad I wasn't glad that the kid got hit

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Speaker 2: the way that he did, that he got depleted. I'm

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Speaker 2: job of the quarterback to get out of bounds, and

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Speaker 2: he was trying to get every extra inch. You just

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Speaker 2: got absolutely depleted. And the reality is that, like that

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Speaker 2: and Scataboo and all of that. Well, Scannaboo's done for

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Speaker 2: the year and and Dartsmiths games already. You just you

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Speaker 2: to stay available. No, And that's the thing he's got

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Speaker 3: He's gotta be, you know, become a better pocket passer

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Speaker 3: than he currently is. They're all He made me nervous

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Speaker 3: from the second I watched him when he was doing

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Speaker 3: very well, you know. And that's why this game I

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Speaker 3: thought was kind of easy to see this one coming.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it also featured the strangest field goal attempt

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Speaker 2: In my life. I've never seen anybody do that. So

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Speaker 2: have you heard people on a tea box who hit

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Speaker 2: like a foot behind the ball that's teed.

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Speaker 3: Up and then just stop, like just kind of have

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Speaker 3: you I know that you had your other program this morning.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure we're diving into a great many things. Specifically,

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Speaker 3: I'm sure a lot of still joy and revel over

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Speaker 2: But yeah, has has young way Kup commented on it?

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Speaker 3: Have you heard I haven't seen anything where he says, hey,

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Speaker 2: Nothing, because it was bizarre. It was crazy. No, it's

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Speaker 2: like like I said, I mean'd be like, it's the

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Speaker 2: then you know, just whack like a foot back and

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Speaker 3: Know Spalding, but Paulding at least like followed through. I

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Speaker 3: don't understand what's going on. It was crazy. I think

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Speaker 2: I mean the Rams had the most stupefying loss of

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Speaker 3: And right now when they get inside the ten, they're

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Speaker 3: And that's what's crazy too, when you talk about having

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Speaker 3: You've got to have those guys, Like I think if

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Speaker 3: When you do have the plays called and the guys

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Speaker 2: Stadium on Sunday. Let's start with kind of your view

431
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Speaker 2: of our approach with Shade Or Sanders, the rookie quarterback

432
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Speaker 2: making his first home start.

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Speaker 4: Well, I remember those days, guys, cold, lightly snowing, and windy,

434
00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:25,240
Speaker 4: and it's from a quarterbacks perspective and a specialist perspective,

435
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Speaker 4: you know, you really had to get out on the

436
00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,520
Speaker 4: field and understand what the wind was doing. You had

437
00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:32,840
Speaker 4: to understand what the ground, the footing was doing. But

438
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,560
Speaker 4: it's definitely a challenge. But we always said the other

439
00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,159
Speaker 4: team's got to play in it too, So it was

440
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Speaker 4: nice to see him get a home start. I think

441
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:44,200
Speaker 4: the fans continuously want to see him improve and want

442
00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,520
Speaker 4: to see us continuously push the ball down the field

443
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Speaker 4: when we can. But like you said, it was an

444
00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:52,480
Speaker 4: unfortunate day. There was some mistakes that really hurt us.

445
00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,879
Speaker 4: And against a good football team, you have to play

446
00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 4: clean football, and unfortunately in certain situations we didn't.

447
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Speaker 2: Dave what's going on on the punt coverage.

448
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Unfortunately, I saw about ninety percent of the game

449
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 4: I was returning. I was actually on a flight during

450
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,919
Speaker 4: the first quarter, so I didn't see it. But you know,

451
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:19,119
Speaker 4: there's some consistency going on unfortunately, the special teams that

452
00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:22,520
Speaker 4: just has to get cleaned up. We can't allow special

453
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,000
Speaker 4: teams to be a detriment for us winning the football game.

454
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Speaker 4: If anything, special teams helps you contribute to a win.

455
00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,720
Speaker 4: And you know, then you have the punt return and

456
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:35,760
Speaker 4: obviously the punt fumble. Sometimes those happened in those gusty

457
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 4: win type situations, but it still can't happen, right, I mean,

458
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,520
Speaker 4: we can't afford to do that. We had to believe that.

459
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,760
Speaker 4: And then the fourth down in our own side of

460
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 4: the field and against the good football team, those are

461
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Speaker 4: those are costly mistakes. And you know, when you're in

462
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,560
Speaker 4: a tight game ten to eight, you have got to

463
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Speaker 4: play mistake free football to have a chance against a

464
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Speaker 4: team like the forty nine ers. And those are just

465
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Speaker 4: things that you go back and watch the tape, and

466
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,680
Speaker 4: I'm sure the coaches are telling them that same message.

467
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 4: Look at where we were and look at where we

468
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 4: ended up and what caused that, and quite frankly, it

469
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Speaker 4: was a couple of specific plays that just just killed us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think the thing that I mean, we

471
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Speaker 2: knew this is how this team was kind of put

472
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Speaker 2: together this year, right, Dave, Like, you're going to try

473
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Speaker 2: to play great defense, You're going to try to play

474
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 2: field possession game, and then you needed special teams to

475
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Speaker 2: be an attribute and not a detriment. Unfortunately, it's it's

476
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,239
Speaker 2: been the latter more than it's been the former. But

477
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Speaker 2: I think if we just had it, even if the

478
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Speaker 2: special team's just even, you probably got a couple more wins.

479
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Speaker 2: And that's the thing that's so hard because with this

480
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,880
Speaker 2: roster the way that it is, the margin for air

481
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Speaker 2: was always so so slim for this group. And so

482
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Speaker 2: as we sit here with a month left to play,

483
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Speaker 2: and this is something that you have to consider, what

484
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Speaker 2: do you want to see here in the last month

485
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Speaker 2: from this team? And I mean, I guess technically still

486
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Speaker 2: in it, but obviously way way up hill road. What

487
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Speaker 2: what do you want to see here over the next

488
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Speaker 2: month from this team?

489
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Speaker 4: Well, the good thing is, I don't think we really

490
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 4: need to see too much more out of the defense.

491
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Speaker 4: The defense has really showed us what they're capable of

492
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Speaker 4: especially the young guys. You've seen what Squestioner is doing.

493
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Speaker 4: You're seeing the impact that Mason Graham's having, You're seeing

494
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 4: the impact of Miles geartten this prime, I think the defense,

495
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 4: and Mike Hall even has come on and made a

496
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,959
Speaker 4: nice impact when he's in there. So unfortunately with some

497
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,399
Speaker 4: of the injuries that we saw off you know, obviously

498
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,679
Speaker 4: it's part of football, but the defense is, if anything,

499
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 4: playing great football, and I think these young guys will

500
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 4: only get better. When you look at the offense, I

501
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 4: think there is very consistent message. I don't disagree with it.

502
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Speaker 4: You know, you can't have an offensive line that you know,

503
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 4: definitely we have to relook at the tackle position. You know,

504
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 4: Jack Conklin is as good as he is, he's having

505
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 4: a hard time staying healthy. And then the left tackle

506
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 4: has been a rotating position for a couple of years now,

507
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Speaker 4: so you got to you got to get some stability

508
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Speaker 4: and some consistency on the offense a line, and obviously

509
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Speaker 4: on the receivers. The one thing I'm always curious about

510
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 4: with quarterbacks when you watch the game as a fan,

511
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 4: is is a quarterback not making the read timely enough?

512
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 4: Or are we not getting separation as a receiving group,

513
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Speaker 4: and if it's the latter part, then it's going to

514
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 4: be very difficult training quarterback really at this time to

515
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 4: going to make a significant difference. So, you know, I

516
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 4: think we have to take a look, and I'm sure

517
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Speaker 4: those coaches and the general manager and that staff, Andrew

518
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 4: Barry and his staff are taking a look at personnel.

519
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 4: And that kind of flips into the special teams. Guys,

520
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 4: is you know, are we putting the right type of

521
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Speaker 4: personnel on the field? You know, is it is it?

522
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Speaker 4: You know, do we need more you know, corner defensive

523
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Speaker 4: back type speed positions to get down there? Are we

524
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Speaker 4: using a little bit we are we utilizing more of

525
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Speaker 4: the linebacker crew, which typically is like you know, you

526
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 4: really have to kind of go through and mix and

527
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,680
Speaker 4: match different positions on kickoff on punt return to make

528
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Speaker 4: sure you have the right personnel. And you know, obviously

529
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Speaker 4: with the big kick punt returns that we're having, I

530
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 4: certainly would think you'd have to question if we have

531
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Speaker 4: the right personnel in there on the coverage teams.

532
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Speaker 3: How hard is it? And we talked about this a

533
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Speaker 3: little bit on the show yesterday. This is the first year,

534
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Speaker 3: I can remember where we don't have a couple of

535
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Speaker 3: those what I call professional special teams players, guys that

536
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,119
Speaker 3: are literally in the league because they play special teams

537
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Speaker 3: at a high level. And when we first came in,

538
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Speaker 3: you know that first year was Matt Adams, it was

539
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Speaker 3: Mike Ford junior, and then you had Tony Brown. We

540
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Speaker 3: don't have those guys on the roster this year. How

541
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Speaker 3: much does that matter?

542
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I can go back to when I

543
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,919
Speaker 4: played for Cleveland. You know, you had Nick Sorenson, you

544
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 4: had Bubba vent Trone. Ironically, you know you had some

545
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Speaker 4: guys that that Mike Adams. I mean, you just had

546
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,159
Speaker 4: guys that took special teams like they were trying to,

547
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Speaker 4: you know, not only you know, show what they could do,

548
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Speaker 4: but that was everything. They didn't care about going on

549
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 4: as being a starter on defense or offense. They wanted

550
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 4: to make a different on special teams and guys sometimes

551
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Speaker 4: that just comes with leadership, you know, it comes with

552
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Speaker 4: those personnel decisions that you hire to make sure. You know,

553
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 4: I'm not saying we don't have that. Maybe guys are

554
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 4: young and they're learning the position. There's guys that maybe

555
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 4: next year face on this experience can can become that

556
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 4: kind of special teams leader. But there's it's certainly a

557
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 4: problem right now. People always you know, I read on

558
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 4: Twitter all the time people saying that fire above, but

559
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 4: Ben trou and fire above. I've been with some of

560
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 4: the greatest special teams coaches, you know, guys that have

561
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 4: won Super Bowls. In those meeting rooms, I can give

562
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Speaker 4: I can promise you they are putting guys in the

563
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 4: right position. They're teaching special teams, They're they're they're exactly

564
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 4: showing where those coverage lanes are and what we have,

565
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Speaker 4: I mean, those those it's you know, it's unfortunate because

566
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Speaker 4: I said a couple of shows ago that Bubba will

567
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 4: always take the blame. I mean, he's the head coach

568
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 4: or head coach especially, and he will take that. But

569
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Speaker 4: there's also as we look into that, you watch film

570
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 4: and you break it down in special teams meetings, you

571
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 4: can see some guys might not be held accountable, that

572
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 4: are making the same mistakes and and then that's when

573
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Speaker 4: changes have to have to happen in the off season.

574
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's what's going to make the next month here,

575
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Speaker 2: you know, pretty interesting, is what you're talking about in

576
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 2: terms of because I do think it's really important here.

577
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Speaker 2: I mean, if you can go back to conversations Dave

578
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 2: Z and I had back in June and July talking about, Look,

579
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Speaker 2: you've got to figure out where you are at quarterback.

580
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 2: You have to figure out can any of these young

581
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 2: guys on the offensive line be people that you can

582
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 2: count on next year that now you're gonna have to,

583
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,400
Speaker 2: you know, get them new contracts and get them set

584
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Speaker 2: because we just don't have a lot of offensive linemen

585
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 2: under contract, and then weapon wise, like where do we

586
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 2: got to go there? So to me, that's what this

587
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 2: next month is about, and that stinks because you'd like

588
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 2: to be in the mix, you'd like to be fighting

589
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 2: for things. But I do think it's a critical stretch

590
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 2: of games to see who's going to be a part

591
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Speaker 2: of this fix long term. And from your vantage point,

592
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Speaker 2: and having i mean been on teams that have been

593
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Speaker 2: in similar spots, how do you make sure that the

594
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 2: team stays together, that you don't point fingers, especially in

595
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 2: an instance like this where the defense is so far

596
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 2: ahead of the offense, what happens.

597
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Speaker 4: I think what players look for in my experiences is

598
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Speaker 4: the leadership from the head coach and the staff. If

599
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 4: you keep the locker room and players respect you as

600
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 4: a coach and respect the position coaches, they're going to

601
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 4: run through a wall for you. And the talent might

602
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 4: not be there, but you're going to see the fight

603
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 4: on Sundays. If you start losing and you start seeing

604
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 4: that that fight is not there, or guys maybe not

605
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 4: playing because they're dragging injuries out, or guys aren't hustling,

606
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 4: you can see them, you know, on film that maybe

607
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 4: they're not you know, guy, I always look at kind

608
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 4: of that Juan Thornhill one play right where he was

609
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 4: just kind of jogging and not trying to tackle it.

610
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Speaker 4: If you start seeing that, that's when you know you've

611
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 4: really got problems. But if the team continues to go

612
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 4: out and show that they're fighting, you realize that there

613
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 4: is a talent gap. You got to find that in

614
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Speaker 4: the draft. You got to find that free agency. And

615
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 4: I think Browns fans are well aware with the cap

616
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 4: situation of what we went through and not having first rounders,

617
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Speaker 4: there is a sense that, Okay, this is going to

618
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Speaker 4: take a little bit of time. So the biggest question,

619
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Speaker 4: and it's the only question as of now is what

620
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Speaker 4: are we going to do in the quarterback position, because

621
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Speaker 4: as you know as well as I, it's a quarterback

622
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Speaker 4: driven lead. We have not had a bona fide Bow

623
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Speaker 4: Bowl player here in that position for a long long time.

624
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 4: You got to get a quarterback for the future. And

625
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Speaker 4: so what I would like to see is hen Shugdar

626
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 4: learn from some of these mistakes that we've seen that

627
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 4: holding on to the ball too long, you know, walk,

628
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Speaker 4: you know, kind of you know, getting outside the pocket

629
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Speaker 4: and looting yards, losing yards instead of throwing it away.

630
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Speaker 4: Can he make that throw that kind of threads the

631
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Speaker 4: needle and you start seeing that progression over the next

632
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Speaker 4: few weeks, then you start saying, hey, maybe this is

633
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 4: a young kid that you know, we found a diamond

634
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 4: in the rough in the fifth round. He continues to

635
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 4: be mature at the media and all those things. Is

636
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 4: can he run this football team? I think that's what

637
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 4: the rest of the season is if I'm trying to

638
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 4: find if I need to draft a quarterback or if

639
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 4: I have one on the roster, because that position is

640
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Speaker 4: that critical.

641
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Speaker 3: It is it's it's everything in the NFL. And with Shador,

642
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 3: I think we've seen some good and I think we

643
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 3: know that he's got the talent. But going back to

644
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Speaker 3: your point earlier, are guys getting open or not? In

645
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 3: this game, guys were getting open, and certainly in the

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Speaker 3: second half they were not getting the football. What do

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Speaker 3: you hope to see? And I think we should look.

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Speaker 3: I think we understand where Dylan is. I think you

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Speaker 3: give Shorg Sanders the same amount of time these rest

650
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Speaker 3: of these years to see if he can improve because

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Speaker 3: he's got the necessary talent. He may not be seeing

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Speaker 3: it or processing it as quickly as Dylan was, being

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Speaker 3: as safe with the football as Dylan was, But he's

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Speaker 3: got the talent to be an elevator, and so you've got.

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Speaker 2: To see it.

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Speaker 3: But Dave, what are you looking for that tells you,

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Speaker 3: if anything, that Chador might be more on the right path.

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Speaker 4: It's a great question. Before I answer that, Nata, I

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Speaker 4: want to I'm want to go back to a quote

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Speaker 4: that one probably one of my favorite coaches ever played

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Speaker 4: for said in Bruce Arians he was talking about Julian

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Speaker 4: saying in Matt Purchrisse's defense, and he was talking about

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Speaker 4: college football for a second, and he was kind of

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Speaker 4: going back and or doing the college game and what

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Speaker 4: Matt Patricia is doing with kind of running an NFL

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Speaker 4: offense type, mixing up schemes on defense, confusing the quarterback.

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Speaker 4: And Bruce arians said, you know what, when Andrew luck

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Speaker 4: and some of the guys that he'd Tim Couch and

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Speaker 4: he face said, it took some of these guys Peyton

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Speaker 4: Manning at least one and a half years before they

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Speaker 4: really the game started slowing down. They could understand the concepts,

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Speaker 4: they can make quick decisions. So I think we always

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Speaker 4: have to understand that these are rookie quarterbacks that kind

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Speaker 4: of got thrown into the mixed mid season or early

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Speaker 4: in the season. This isn't less than ideal for the

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Speaker 4: development of a quarterback. So what I would expect to

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Speaker 4: see the rest of the year is just small things

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Speaker 4: out of sugar. You know, if a guy is open,

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Speaker 4: is he making the right read, is he taking the shot,

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Speaker 4: what it's time to take the shot. If he's outside

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Speaker 4: the pocket, is he's throwing it away instead of taking

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Speaker 4: the sack. Those are small things that I think as

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Speaker 4: we see over the next few games, if he's doing

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Speaker 4: those things, hey you may have a guy that's starting

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Speaker 4: to quickly pick up on the NFL defenses and how

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Speaker 4: to play the game. If we're not and we're seeing

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Speaker 4: the opposite, then we're not seeing any improvement, and then

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Speaker 4: you know it's gonna be Hey, let's put all this

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Speaker 4: tape together and do we need to draft a quarterback

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Speaker 4: in the first round or do we think we have

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Speaker 4: somebody that that that has shown us enough that we

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Speaker 4: can develop and rely on him. I'm happy I'm not

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Speaker 4: in that position, but that's how I would think it's

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Speaker 4: gonna go.

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Speaker 2: All right, buddy, time for the risk versus reward play

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Speaker 2: the game. It's brawn to you by Oswalld, the official

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Speaker 2: risk advisor of your Cleveland Browns. A lot of ways

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Speaker 2: you could go here. We had the special team stuff.

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Speaker 2: We had the fourth and the fourth down play to

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Speaker 2: fan in which didn't work out very well. We had

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Speaker 2: a play last night and Monday night. Have you ever

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Speaker 2: seen that where a kicker? Did you see this play

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Speaker 2: from ben U King where he just he just stopped,

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Speaker 2: He kind of hit a foot short and Scottish Hammer

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Speaker 2: had to take it.

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Speaker 3: Apparently Ceciliano was listening, so I'm sure he enjoyed our

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Speaker 3: uniform conversation. But he said that after the game, said

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Speaker 3: that he saw the ball move, and you could see

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Speaker 3: on the replay that it did. The hammer was kind

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Speaker 3: of getting the handle on it, and so he stopped

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Speaker 3: because he thought the.

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Speaker 2: Ball was moving. Oh, it was still wild.

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Speaker 4: It was typically I've never seen I've never seen a

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Speaker 4: guy stop like that. I did see the ball tilt

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Speaker 4: in almost like I think it was a Scottish hammer, right.

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Speaker 4: He just kind of lost it and then put it back.

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Speaker 4: But typically you always have that trust on your holder

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Speaker 4: at the end of the day to get it down.

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Speaker 4: I think he should at least, you know, went through

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Speaker 4: with it. I've never seen I've never seen that before.

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Speaker 4: It was kind of unique. But yeah, my risk versus

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Speaker 4: reward guys, I think it was a pretty critical part

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Speaker 4: of the of the game. We were down ten to eight,

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Speaker 4: We're on our own thirty three yard line, and it

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Speaker 4: was fourth and one. I listen, I love the aggressiveness.

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Speaker 4: I just thought, personally, in a cold, windy, snowy game,

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Speaker 4: if you're going to snap a ball to a tight

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Speaker 4: end that does not do that consistently, you know, listen,

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Speaker 4: they might have thought it could have been a great play.

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Speaker 4: I just thought there was a little too much risk

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Speaker 4: in that decision to put a rookie young tight end

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Speaker 4: and that weather and windy conditions under center. That that's

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Speaker 4: just my opinion. I thought that was the best risk

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Speaker 4: reward topic of the game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's one of those things. Circumstantially it was

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Speaker 2: that where we going with the wind at that point

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Speaker 2: or against it?

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Speaker 3: So there is some debates which way it was with

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Speaker 3: it and which was against the game the Yeah, the

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Speaker 3: belief is that that was with the wind with it, okay.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but in that stadium, guys, with the way some

742
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Speaker 4: of that win would you feel you might feel the

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Speaker 4: wind was coming behind your back. You get to like

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Speaker 4: the thirty four yard line and then it would shoot

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Speaker 4: to the sideline. So that you know, with windy games

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Speaker 4: in there, it's it's sometimes all over the place.

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Speaker 2: What's crazy is at that point it was ten to eight,

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Speaker 2: ten eight, yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, the defense was playing good. I know. I

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Speaker 4: like I said, it's a it was a risky decision.

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Speaker 4: I just think you pump the ball and give your

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00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 4: defense some some a chance to get a turnover and

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00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 4: make a stop and you're still in that game. And

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Speaker 4: like we talked about in these games versus where we are,

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00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 4: you got to play mistake free football to have a

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Speaker 4: chance to beat a good football team.

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Speaker 2: You're the best, buddy, Thanks for your time. We'll do

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Speaker 2: it again soon.

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Speaker 4: All right, guys, have a good day. Thanks for having

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Speaker 4: me off.

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Speaker 2: Coming up next, Harold Fan and Junior from the podium.

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Speaker 2: the Ultimate Game Day. Here is tight end Harold fannin Junior.

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Speaker 6: Harold on your touchdown, kind of fought for those extra yards.

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Speaker 6: Tommy Reese said before the game that he tells the

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Speaker 6: team that they can't stop playing through a play because

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Speaker 6: if you've got the ball, it might not be over.

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Speaker 6: How have you embraced the idea of yak and fighting

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Speaker 6: for those extra yards and what does that say about

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Speaker 6: your play style that you're able to execute that?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: I mean, you know, I was just always taught since

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Speaker 7: a young age just to fall forward, you know, you know,

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Speaker 7: five for those extra yards, you know, and you know

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Speaker 7: in that moment hasena endzone.

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Speaker 8: So of course I thought extra hard for that.

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Speaker 6: When you are out there, you know, fighting for it,

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Speaker 6: does it feel maybe I know you're a rookie, but

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Speaker 6: does it feel like a kind of leadership in its

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Speaker 6: own to be able to go out there and and

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Speaker 6: try to push your way into a first down, push

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Speaker 6: your way to the end zone, and push your way.

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Speaker 9: To a win.

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Speaker 4: Nah?

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Speaker 7: I mean I don't really think it think as it

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Speaker 7: is something you know spectacular, you know, just like I

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Speaker 7: said something I've just been doing for a while, so,

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Speaker 7: you know, just natural.

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Speaker 9: Hey, Harold, what happened on that fourth and one when

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Speaker 9: you were lined up behind center?

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Speaker 7: Yeah? You know, I just gotta hold on to the snap.

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Speaker 7: Uh yeah, I mean that the time was rolling. You know,

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Speaker 7: I feel like I should have caught the time out.

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Speaker 7: You know, I wasn't thinking straight, but yeah, just just

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Speaker 7: didn't just didn't hold the ball.

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Speaker 9: Really, if you get the snap cleanly, like, do you

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Speaker 9: feel like you get you convert the first down there

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Speaker 9: you pick it up?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think so, you know, I think we've got

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Speaker 7: to go line. It would have got a good push.

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Speaker 7: You know, I just gotta hold onto the ball.

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Speaker 9: I'm want to ask you about that played too, Harold.

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Speaker 4: Had you ever run Did you ever.

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Speaker 9: Run that at Bowling Green?

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Speaker 5: H not at Bowling Green?

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Speaker 8: No, I haven't.

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Speaker 4: So did you do in high school or junior higher?

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Speaker 10: Uh?

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Speaker 7: I mean I used to, like my freshman year in

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Speaker 7: high school, I used to play a little bit of quarterback,

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Speaker 7: so I got a little bit of experience right there,

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Speaker 7: you know, through the week, you know, throughout the really

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Speaker 7: the whole year I've been practicing, you know, taking snaps

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Speaker 7: like that.

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Speaker 8: And stuff.

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Speaker 4: So it was about wet and slippery.

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Speaker 7: Now, like I said, I was just I was just

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Speaker 7: rushing it because of the shot clock.

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Speaker 8: And yeah, all right, thanks.

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Speaker 10: Yeah here wondering, you know, what do you learn from

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Speaker 10: something like that? You've been making some really nice, big plays,

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Speaker 10: uh and then then have like an occasional mistake like that.

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Speaker 10: Is that just the life of a rookie? And you

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Speaker 10: know what's your takeaway from a game like that where

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Speaker 10: you contributed in a big way, but then I also

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Speaker 10: have one that you'd like to have back.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't say it's a life of

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Speaker 7: a rookie. I feel like, you know, all players go

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Speaker 7: through it. You know, it's gonna be some high, it's

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Speaker 7: going to be some lows, but just you know, just

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Speaker 7: just come to work, you know, ready to work every day.

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Speaker 10: And do you guys, you know, after a game like that,

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Speaker 10: I don't know if you've had a chance to come

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Speaker 10: together yet, but do you resolve to you know, just

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Speaker 10: really try to play a clean game going forward and

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Speaker 10: make a point of emphasis of just coming out the

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Speaker 10: next week and learning from those kinds of things.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, yeah, I say, we you know, we

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Speaker 7: try to you know, go over the mistakes them, fix

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Speaker 7: the mistakes, you know, try to not let those mistakes

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Speaker 7: happen again the next game, and like you said, just

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Speaker 7: keep learning from it.

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Speaker 10: And one more thing on that real quick was shadoor

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Speaker 10: And and some of the other guys like very you know,

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Speaker 10: helpful in the aftermath of that and encouraging you and

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Speaker 10: telling you to keep your head up and not let

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Speaker 10: it get you.

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Speaker 7: Uh yeah, I mean what, I don't remember what the

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Speaker 7: score was, so it's still a pretty tight game. So

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00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 7: I feel like, you know, it didn't really affect us

866
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 7: at the time. But you know, obviously, like I said earlier,

867
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 7: you know, I wish I would have done something different.

868
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 11: Hey, Harold should or talks a lot about just trying

869
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,760
Speaker 11: to kind of get on the same page and build chemistry,

870
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 11: like especially with a guy like Jerry, But it seems

871
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 11: like you've kind of become like a safety net of

872
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 11: sorts for him, and you guys kind of already have

873
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 11: that chemistry developed. Just what has led to some of

874
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:26,919
Speaker 11: the success that you guys have had in these first

875
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 11: couple of games together and being able to sort of

876
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 11: produce on the field.

877
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 7: I mean, obviously the practices, but I feel like us

878
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 7: just you know, just sitting down talking in the locker room,

879
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 7: you know, seeing how he want things and seeing how

880
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 7: I see things, and you know, trying to just meet

881
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 7: in the middle.

882
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 11: Really and then when when Kevin's going for it on

883
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 11: those fourth downs, you know whether you're whether you're under

884
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 11: center taking the snap with with the way you guys

885
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 11: were in that play or not. Like, how how much

886
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 11: do you guys appreciate sort of that aggressive stole? Like,

887
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 11: do you guys appreciate that aggressive sort of play calling

888
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 11: and approach? And is that something that as an offense

889
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 11: you guys kind of encourage Kevin to go for in

890
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:05,720
Speaker 11: those situations?

891
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, uh, you know, I like it. You know,

892
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 7: like I trust him one hundred percent. Uh, you know

893
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 7: obviously you know looking at those short down and distance

894
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 7: in my mind we can always get it.

895
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 8: But yeah, I mean I like it. I like being

896
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 8: aggressive things like that.

897
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 9: Hey, Harold, after the game yesterday, Trader said that he

898
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 9: thought he needed to be better helping guys rally through adversity.

899
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 9: How do you think he's been. I know it's only

900
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 9: been two starks, but how do you think he's been

901
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 9: on the field? Then the huddle during those difficult times.

902
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, I say, I say he's been He's been great.

903
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 7: You know, you know I feel like, you know, in

904
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 7: those huddles, you know, he's very good with the situation.

905
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 7: You know that we're in, you know, helping us talk

906
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 7: us through it and you know, like you know, really

907
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 7: just motivating us to go out there and you know

908
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 7: put something together.

909
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 6: Thank you all right, Harold, As someone who's kind of

910
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 6: worked with like Special Teams Unit, what do you think

911
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:03,919
Speaker 6: maybe can change could be better in a in a week,

912
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 6: if anything, to maybe clean up some of some of

913
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 6: the blunders on returns and coverage and all all the

914
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 6: things that have needed to be cleaned up. Is that

915
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 6: Is that something that can happen in a week of

916
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,919
Speaker 6: preparation or does that just come down to a game?

917
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 8: Uh?

918
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 7: I mean I'll probably say it can you know it

919
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 7: can obviously be fixing a second.

920
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 8: You know, Special Teams is a lot of one on ones.

921
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 7: Uh And you know, obviously I'm gonna take our eleven

922
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 7: over theres and you know above I always say all

923
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 7: the time, these are like easy fixes, like it ain't

924
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 7: nothing crazy, Like we can easily fix this if you know,

925
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 7: we all just come together and you know in that

926
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 7: moment and play for each other.

927
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 4: All right. That wraps us up. Thanks Harold, Thanks everyone,

928
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 4: I appreciate it.

929
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 2: All right, Harold, Fan and Junior from the podium. I

930
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 2: wanted to ask something of the two of you philosophically.

931
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 2: So did you guys see the Bears Eagles game on Friday?

932
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 5: I caught a few minutes at the facility I was

933
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,879
Speaker 5: wrapping up, and it was an ugly, ugly game.

934
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 2: It was, Yes, I did. So. Did you see the

935
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 2: circumstance at the end of the game where Philly's down fifteen?

936
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 5: Yep?

937
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 2: They score with three minutes left and they go for two.

938
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 2: They go for two? Yep? Is that the right move there?

939
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 3: So it's the right move mathematically, But I think that

940
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 3: that does not take the human analytics into account because

941
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 3: so the reason you're doing it is that the quicker,

942
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 3: you can possess the information that you need three possessions

943
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 3: rather than two. That allows you to shape your behavior

944
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 3: to deal with it immediately. Whereas if you kick the

945
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 3: extra point, you're down.

946
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 2: Eight, you score, you go for the two. You don't

947
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 2: get it.

948
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 3: Now you've acquired that information that you need another possession

949
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 3: at the last possible second, you might not be able

950
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 3: to do anything about it. Now, at least you know

951
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,359
Speaker 3: in everything that you're doing that you have to get

952
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 3: that extra possession, which is why they said the field

953
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 3: goal kicker out there at.

954
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 2: The end, because they knew that they needed that. I

955
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 2: get it.

956
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,720
Speaker 3: I understand how having the information as soon as possible

957
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 3: is important. It allows you to then make strategic decisions

958
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:15,800
Speaker 3: based on that, but I do me personally, I feel

959
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 3: like when you fail to get that too at that moment,

960
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 3: it is it feels deflating to me, and it feels like, man,

961
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 3: the game's over, whereas if you're one possession game, it

962
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 3: makes the other team maybe a little bit tight. I

963
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 3: think it gives you an opportunity, and so to me,

964
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 3: that's more important than having that information because I feel

965
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 3: like once you miss that, especially with the time that's left,

966
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 3: you may have all the information you want. You just

967
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 3: time is a bigger enemy than information at that point,

968
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 3: and I just think that it it deflates it. I

969
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 3: know that why it is the quote unquote right thing

970
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 3: to do, but I think that it's more important to

971
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 3: have everybody believing that we're still in this game rather

972
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 3: than the.

973
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 2: Now, it feels insurmountable. I think the two things you said,

974
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,800
Speaker 2: and that's why I want to ask you you'd have

975
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 2: the right answer for it. The two things that you

976
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 2: know that it doesn't factor into are human analytics, which

977
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 2: is everything you mostly emphasized, which I think is correct,

978
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 2: because once you don't get it, you're it's done. Like

979
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 2: the feeling is all right, that's it. We don't have

980
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 2: a chance. We'll see on down the road. The other

981
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 2: thing that it doesn't take into account is the same

982
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 2: thing that you mentioned briefly, and that is time. There's

983
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 2: three minutes left. There aren't two more possessions in the

984
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 2: ball game. You're getting it one more time. So the knowledge, okay,

985
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 2: so what you're not stopping them twice, the odds of

986
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 2: you recovering two on side kicks stopping them and there's

987
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 2: still being enough time you don't have you have a

988
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 2: finite amount of timeouts, you have a two minute warning.

989
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 2: What they would say is so there's no scenario to me,

990
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 2: I get it. If you're down fifteen and you score

991
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 2: with ten minutes, nine minutes, seven minutes, six minutes left

992
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:54,919
Speaker 2: in the game, Okay, I get that. Here's what they're

993
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 2: I like that information, but three minutes is three minutes.

994
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 3: Here's what they're saying is and again I'm what we

995
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 3: are in one hundred percent agreement that they know because

996
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 3: they didn't get there, that they need instead of kicking

997
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 3: off and wasting the time of a possession. Really they're

998
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 3: going to try an on side kick right away, so

999
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 3: they know they need two on side kicks. I don't

1000
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,919
Speaker 3: think that's a great thing to know per se either,

1001
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,479
Speaker 3: but valuable that if you kick the extra point there, Yeah,

1002
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 3: you're down eight, you're kicking off deep you are. Yeah, okay,

1003
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 3: you're going to get a stop. That's what you're going

1004
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 3: you have to get to stop. Even if they've got

1005
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 3: to stop that kick anyway, but you're you are. Your

1006
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 3: strategy on that kickoff would be different because of now

1007
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 3: you have the information knowing you need that extra possession.

1008
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 2: That's all. Do I think that helps you win? No,

1009
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 2: I believe, And I just think there's nuance to it,

1010
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 2: and I think time and place are.

1011
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 3: Big players react to it. I think players react to

1012
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:54,439
Speaker 3: it like this is the fleeting. Once that happened, it's over, Yes,

1013
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 3: it's done.

1014
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 5: It's the Jim Donovan rule. Make the damn extra point.

1015
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 5: Stop having to chase it because the moment you miss

1016
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 5: the extra point, they had to chase it.

1017
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 3: Well, in this case, they're going to need it too,

1018
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,720
Speaker 3: like so they're going to go for at some point.

1019
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 2: But in this and I don't yeah, but in this

1020
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 2: era with the overtime, the way that it is, like,

1021
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 2: get to overtime, Yeah, here's the that's a win for

1022
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 2: them to get to overtime. You're gonna have a chance

1023
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:20,439
Speaker 2: to answer. Here's the other thing.

1024
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 3: That people think, and this is why this is the

1025
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 3: one that will drive a lot of people crazy, is

1026
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 3: you're technically supposed to Okay, if that's an area was

1027
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 3: that they were down fourteen and they scored right there,

1028
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 3: Analytics says.

1029
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 2: You go for two there.

1030
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, Now that's because you have two shots to go

1031
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 3: for two to get to fourteen. You only have to

1032
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 3: hit one of them. But if you hit the first one,

1033
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 3: now you're winning the game. You win the game on

1034
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 3: your next touchdown with an extra point. I don't have

1035
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 3: a big problem with that.

1036
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 2: My biggest issue was that drives people not I know

1037
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,760
Speaker 2: it does, but that doesn't That wouldn't give it one million.

1038
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,320
Speaker 2: There was a team that won doing that. Was it, Denver?

1039
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 2: I think it was the Ravens have recently. I know

1040
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 2: they Ravens a couple of weeks ago. Denver, I want

1041
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,959
Speaker 2: to say in primetime did it? But that I don't

1042
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 2: mind because that is a finite amount of possession. It's

1043
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 2: still two possessions. Yes, it's a difference between two possessions

1044
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 2: and three. That's the problem for me with Juxon and

1045
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 2: when you factor in the three minutes. But what they

1046
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 2: there's not enough time on the clock for all you're

1047
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 2: trying to do.

1048
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 3: Of course they would say if I miss it too,

1049
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 3: even if I go, if I kick the exploit and

1050
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 3: I miss my best two point play, I still need

1051
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 3: another possession. Whether it's better to know that now than later?

1052
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:25,879
Speaker 3: And I say no. I think for the mental state

1053
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 3: of your team and the competitive nations, keep hope alive,

1054
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,320
Speaker 3: You keep hope alive. It's better for them to feel

1055
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 3: like they're in and until they miss it, because at

1056
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 3: that point you miss it, it's over. The reality is

1057
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 3: it's over when every I think it's over when you

1058
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 3: miss it the first time too.

1059
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:42,040
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Speaker 2: One Thought around every game in week thirteen into low gibbet.

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Speaker 5: I gentlemen, good to see, good to see it. Get

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Speaker 5: good to see you all as well. Let's start with Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 5: Let's do it almost a week ago. Can I just

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Speaker 5: say which one?

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Speaker 2: Which I had?

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Speaker 5: Three?

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Speaker 2: I want to say something right now. Thoughts and prayers

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Speaker 2: on that go ahead.

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Speaker 3: Remember when I was talking about how bye weeks instead

1089
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Speaker 3: of being like randomly throughout the year.

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Speaker 2: Should be four weeks eight teams.

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Speaker 3: Yes, if you took away Thanksgiving and Black Friday, which

1092
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:30,240
Speaker 3: were by the way, eight like pretty heavy hitting teams, massive,

1093
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 3: you still had plenty on Sunday, early window, late window,

1094
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 3: primetime and primetime. Yeah, no, you're right, So just do

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00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 3: that four times, have these monster weeks. I know some

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Speaker 3: people just take L's in fantasy and it is what

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Speaker 3: it is. But it's just done in four weeks, no doubt.

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Speaker 3: I couldn't agree with you more. And that waits more.

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Speaker 3: I think it's it's terror too. I think it's crazy

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Speaker 3: that the that got the Patriots are going to and

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Speaker 3: the Niners are gonna get byes in week fourteen.

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Speaker 2: You had teams that got by. They think in week five, like.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we turned our bye week down week five.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because after you're coming out of London. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: would think like if I were a team, like the

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Speaker 2: teams that have buys who you say, it's Patriots, and

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Speaker 2: who's the other one?

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Speaker 3: Niners, Patriots four, there's four it's Patriots, Niners, Panthers, and all.

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Speaker 2: Those teams are in the mix.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and their four teams, Uh, Carolina, the Giants forty

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Speaker 5: nine Patriots.

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Speaker 2: Giants are the one that's not so the Giants aren't

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Speaker 2: in the mix everybody else. I mean, that's a way,

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Speaker 2: I know, if you can get here, that's a nice

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Speaker 2: little refreshed.

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Speaker 3: Joe Shine if I'm saying his name right, Oh, is

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Speaker 3: it shown shown or I can't. I thought it was.

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Speaker 3: It looks like shown, but I've heard feels like Shine. Okay, Anyway,

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Speaker 3: He's Shane. That's what it is. Shane in the middle,

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Speaker 3: Shown plus Shine divided by two equals Shane, Joe Shane.

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Speaker 2: He's doing his press He's going to do a presser.

1122
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Speaker 3: He's doing his presser, his bye week presser this week,

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Speaker 3: and people the comments underneath, like the waiting for are just.

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Speaker 5: Wow, brutal.

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Speaker 2: But he's doing it. Yeah, good for him.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Uh the squealers are busy, by the way.

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Speaker 10: Uh.

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Speaker 5: Darius slay out. Uh, and they're signing Adam Thielena.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what get Sterling sharp?

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Speaker 5: Hey, maybe where's Robert Brooks. Maybe let's start frem Maybe

1131
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 5: you shouldn't trade the disgruntled star wide receiver who maybe

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00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 5: wasn't described Alan Lazar was just a head case. Maybe

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00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:35,800
Speaker 5: if you maybe if you would have kept him instead

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Speaker 5: again sending him to Dallas.

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Speaker 2: Spot.

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Speaker 3: No, they've like he's gone like off of the team. Yeah, out,

1137
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:44,439
Speaker 3: not just out for a game.

1138
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Speaker 5: He is steer squad Darius slave via Tom Pellisero, and

1139
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 5: they're signing a Sante Samuel from the practice squad to

1140
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Speaker 5: the active roster.

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Speaker 2: It's it's there's some there's obviously things is going really

1142
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 2: sideways there.

1143
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 3: Yep, poorly behind the scenes, which is interesting because that's

1144
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Speaker 3: the one thing that you think of with Tomlin is

1145
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 3: for sure the culture. But you know, they weren't able

1146
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,840
Speaker 3: to get it right with Pickens. They have had problems

1147
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 3: with people certainly there in the past.

1148
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 2: And yes, of course they win. They don't have a

1149
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 2: losing record.

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Speaker 3: I think anybody would be thrilled if he came in

1151
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:23,320
Speaker 3: and ran your program, just because the it speaks for itself.

1152
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 3: What he's been able to do there, But there is

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Speaker 3: something odd about what's what's going on?

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Speaker 2: No doubt I think you when you are piecemealing it

1155
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 2: together at quarterback every year, Yeah, that is just tough sledding, man. Yeah,

1156
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 2: it's really tough sled I mean they tried with Russ.

1157
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 2: As part of me still wonders if they would have

1158
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 2: been better off just going with fields and just building

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Speaker 2: it around him. They weren't going to win a super

1160
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Speaker 2: Bowl that way, but is that better off than this

1161
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,799
Speaker 2: Rogers thing? I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. I

1162
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 2: don't know. I still wonder, like what happened with Kenny there? Yep,

1163
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 2: how that went so bad? Like and I'm not saying

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Speaker 2: you would have won a super Bowl with Kenny, but like.

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Speaker 3: Fifteen and ten, yeah, he won three out of every

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00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 3: five games you played. By the way, if we mentioned

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Speaker 3: the Browns roster moves, go ahead. Browns have signed defensive

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00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 3: tackle Sam Kamara to the active roster from the practice

1169
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Speaker 3: squad and Malie Collins been placed on injured reserve, ending

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Speaker 3: his season. The team also signed defensive tackle Simeon Barrow,

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Speaker 3: junior guard Jack Conley, running back Ammani Marshall who was

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Speaker 3: with us in the preseason, and linebacker Mark Robinson to

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Speaker 3: the practice squad. The club has also placed defensive end

1174
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 3: Julianaquara on practice squad injured and released linebacker Eugene Assante

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Speaker 3: from the practice squad.

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Speaker 2: There you go, There you go.

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Speaker 5: College football playoffs starts Saturday, December twentieth.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, well the nineteenth will be the first game

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Speaker 2: on Friday.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, on Saturday, at five o'clock they'll be going up

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Speaker 5: against Philly Commanders and at eight twenty Packers Bears. It

1182
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Speaker 5: just announced.

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00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they let the times. Okay, so what the

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Speaker 2: college football folks will do is they'll put the best

1185
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Speaker 2: game Friday night. That'll be the best game. Then they'll

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Speaker 2: put the second best game, probably three point thirty, the

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Speaker 2: third best at noon, and then they'll they'll basically punt

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00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 2: on the afternoon. And this is a This is one

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00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:08,280
Speaker 2: of my biggest pet peeves in the college football calendar.

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00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 2: I kind of laid out how to fix it. They

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00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 2: need to fix it, but there also needs to be

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00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 2: some cooperation from the National Football League because you are

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Speaker 2: getting it's the greatest minor league system in the history

1194
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:21,760
Speaker 2: of sports. It's the second most popular sports in this country.

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00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:24,800
Speaker 2: Give them some a couple of Saturdays. They don't need many,

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00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 2: they need one on the twentieth. Do if they get

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Speaker 2: this calendar right, one this weekend, one on the twentieth,

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Speaker 2: that's it. Give them one Saturday app Saturday night or

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Speaker 2: heck even Saturday afternoon for a national championship in January,

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Speaker 2: and then they'll stay out of a year away. You'll

1201
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 2: stay out of theirs. You're going to continue to get

1202
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:45,879
Speaker 2: ready made stars. You imagine like when Jeremiah Smith next

1203
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 2: year is draft eligible, Like you have many jerseys. I

1204
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 2: mean we had Bake, we had Johnny Manzel. I mean

1205
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 2: they're ready. We have Shure. I mean what should have

1206
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 2: been worth to us because he played three years of

1207
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 2: college football? You don't have to tell your fans who

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00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 2: shoudoor Sanders is?

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Speaker 4: They know?

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00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 2: Nope, Like, just give them a little and then college

1211
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 2: football's got to get organized, have one voice and just say, hey,

1212
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Speaker 2: what can we do here to make this make sense

1213
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 2: so that it's more seamless because it's a mess right now.

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Speaker 5: Yep, all right, let's go a little rapid fire through

1215
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Speaker 5: one thought. On Thanksgiving Day, the Packers take down the

1216
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Speaker 5: Lions in Detroit City thirty one, twenty four. Athan's a

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00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 5: girl one thought.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Packers are good, Jordan Love is good four touchdowns

1219
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 3: in this one, and the Lions are good too. They're

1220
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 3: just not quite what you expected.

1221
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 5: Now.

1222
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 3: Jamison Williams steps up majorly with i'mon Rocos down early

1223
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 3: in this game. I don't know there have been any

1224
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 3: updates on him, but it's just kind of surprising. Michael

1225
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 3: Parsons having a great season for them, but not a

1226
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 3: single sack by the Lions. Their defense just has not

1227
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 3: been what I think they needed to be. They're a

1228
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 3: team that feels like a paper lion, as it were.

1229
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 3: That's gonna I think get into the.

1230
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Speaker 2: Playoffs maybe maybe, but if they do, might be a

1231
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 2: quick exit. They have a massive game against Dallas. I agree,

1232
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 2: that's a massive Thursday night or I can't help but see,

1233
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 2: I think Detroit had so much in that game, so

1234
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 2: much into it. They're wearing the Berry throwbacks like they were.

1235
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 2: The place was electric. They had so much into that.

1236
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 2: Man and eminem Jack Jack White, that whole thing was amazing,

1237
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 2: Like and I'm watching that, I'm going I just felt

1238
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 2: sorry for because I just thought, oh that that was

1239
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 2: it that's probably it. And and then last year they

1240
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 2: had that magical season, but everybody got hurt at the end.

1241
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:34,919
Speaker 2: He just wondered, like, was there a window that's now

1242
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 2: did it just close like like that?

1243
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 5: Well, now you've got a must win game Thursday night.

1244
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 5: Oh it's yeah, Lions and the Cowboys come to town.

1245
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1246
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 5: And Amra did not practice today. This is the last

1247
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 5: day to practice Thursday. It's Thursday Thursdays.

1248
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Speaker 2: No, it's an unbelievable game. It's as good as Thursday

1249
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 2: night as you're gonna have.

1250
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Speaker 5: Amra did not practice. He will be a game time decision.

1251
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 2: And it's it's at Detroit.

1252
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 5: Yes, geez yeah, up next Cowboys thirty one, Kansas City,

1253
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 5: twenty eight SPO.

1254
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Speaker 2: Bishop mentioned this earlier. I just think the Cowboys are

1255
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 2: like this year's Bengals if they get in because I

1256
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 2: just think and it speaks to something Z and I

1257
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 2: talk about all the time. Weapons, weapons, weapons. If you

1258
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 2: have weapons, you have a chance. If you have weapons,

1259
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 2: you can overcome a lot of defensive inefficiencies. And they

1260
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 2: have two guys that you cannot single cover, so somebody

1261
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 2: is open on every play on the outside. And when

1262
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 2: you have a quarterback as good as Prescott. That can

1263
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 2: make you pay. They are uber dangerous and that was

1264
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 2: kind of my big takeaway is if you're in the NFC,

1265
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 2: I would not want to play Dallas with that quarterback

1266
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 2: and those two weapons. No, especially not indoors. They're a

1267
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 2: better team indoors.

1268
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 3: Quinin Williams obviously has been a nice addition to that team.

1269
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 3: They got picked up Logan Wilson remember in the middle

1270
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 3: of the season as well, the former Bengal who's played

1271
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 3: very well for them.

1272
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Cowboys are legit.

1273
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Speaker 3: Remember we did a powerpool a while back and I

1274
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 3: ranked them tenth after a couple of wins.

1275
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Speaker 2: Then they went on a little bit of a lull again.

1276
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Speaker 3: But I think they're I think they're back there in

1277
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 3: the mix, and they're a fun team to watch.

1278
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 5: They are.

1279
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 3: They're a fun football team to watch. Throw the ball

1280
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 3: around the yard. They got beat up.

1281
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 2: They got beat up by Denver in Denver, like forty

1282
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 2: seven to twenty seven, and then they lost at home

1283
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 2: to Arizona. Yeah that was and then they backed that

1284
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 2: up with beating Philly and beating KC. Yep. So it's

1285
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 2: like and they beat them both tight. Yeah, dak is

1286
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 2: you know Dak.

1287
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Speaker 3: I think if they continue to go on a run

1288
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 3: like they are, Dak's gonna be in the should be

1289
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 3: the MVP consideration again.

1290
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 5: You know we talked about Dallas and Detroit Thursday night.

1291
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Speaker 5: You want to wait up all day for Sunday night.

1292
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 5: Sunday Nights Houston at Kansas City. I must win. That's

1293
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:49,320
Speaker 5: another must win.

1294
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 2: I don't like that for my fantasy. That's not good.

1295
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 2: I'm a little chief heavy, Chief heavy.

1296
01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 5: Hey, it's in Kansas City.

1297
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 2: At least I'd be in the do Yeah.

1298
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 5: Bengals thirty two, Ratbirds fourteen's the girl One thoughts ROUNDO.

1299
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:09,439
Speaker 3: Thanksgiving, Welcome back. Joe Burrow looked great throwing the ball

1300
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 3: around the yard. Any updates on t Higgins and who

1301
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 3: but Yoshivash picked up a touchdown h they stepped in

1302
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 3: to me. The biggest takeaway from this, though, is like,

1303
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:19,720
Speaker 3: what in the world is wrong with the Ravens. What

1304
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 3: is wrong with the Ravens? Why are and things are

1305
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 3: clearly very very wrong with this Ravens operation On offense,

1306
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:31,040
Speaker 3: Lamar doesn't look great. Derek Henry got ten carries in

1307
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 3: the game, like ten. I don't know the Ravens are

1308
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 3: It's weird.

1309
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 2: Lamar has does not have in the last four I

1310
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 2: think he does not have a single game where he's

1311
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 2: completed sixty percent of his passes. He has not run

1312
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 2: for over forty yards. He's throwing his touchdown with three picks. Yeah,

1313
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 2: in his last four years. It's not right. Something's not right.

1314
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 2: And as great as he was at the start of

1315
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:55,440
Speaker 2: the year, he's he's clearly not right. Nope.

1316
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 5: To the Black Friday game, We've already talked about it.

1317
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 5: Anybody you have a thought on Bears twenty four Eagles fifteen.

1318
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:04,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Bears are for real. I mean this team

1319
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 3: is for real. They believe in Ben Johnson. He's playing well.

1320
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 3: In terms of getting Caleb Williams to play well, I'm sorry.

1321
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 3: And even though his numbers are never that good, it's

1322
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:16,640
Speaker 3: like he makes Caleb Williams, it makes the right play

1323
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:19,160
Speaker 3: when he needs to. And here's the other thing. That's

1324
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 3: the Black and Blue division. No, they are running the ball.

1325
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 3: DeAndre Swift and Manongat Manong Guy. How do you say

1326
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 3: mania Manung Guy? Manung Guy one forty carries two hundred

1327
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 3: and fifty five yards and two touchdowns. Forty carries two

1328
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:36,280
Speaker 3: fifty five and two touchdowns. Saquon Barkley thirteen for fifty six.

1329
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 2: He was a Manunguy was a great player at Rutgers

1330
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 2: on some kind of average teams, but he really elevated

1331
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 2: and that's what flipped for them because then they had

1332
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:47,120
Speaker 2: Swift and him, and now Johnson can run it like

1333
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 2: he ran it in the Lions with those two cats.

1334
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 2: Second a seventh round pick. Yeah, and so now you

1335
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:55,800
Speaker 2: have two guys who can go yep, they're just bludgeoning you. Yeah.

1336
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 2: I mean they both were over one fifty, weren't they

1337
01:02:57,840 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 2: against the Eagles?

1338
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 3: They twenty two for one already in a touch from

1339
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:02,920
Speaker 3: a young guy at eighteen one twenty five in a

1340
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 3: touchows one twenty five.

1341
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 2: Yeez.

1342
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:07,520
Speaker 5: We'll be in Chicago in two weeks.

1343
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 2: Seventh round pick. By the way, you can find those guys.

1344
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 2: You can find them, man.

1345
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 5: Yep to the early games on Sunday. How's that wallet?

1346
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 5: Carolina thirty one rams twenty eight, Oh, Bishop thought.

1347
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:27,960
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know that there's been a bigger

1348
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 2: fan in this area of Matt Stafford, No, true, in

1349
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 2: the last decade. Like, I just love everything about the dude,

1350
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 2: and all I need for him to do. I don't

1351
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:41,480
Speaker 2: even care about cover or any of it. Just go

1352
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 2: do it. Your do your business, handle it. Stafford goes

1353
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 2: to Carolina and throws two picks, which doubles his season total,

1354
01:03:51,120 --> 01:03:56,439
Speaker 2: and fumbled and fumbled. Bryce Young ended up. I want

1355
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 2: to say fifteen to twenty three touchdowns, like right around

1356
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:03,560
Speaker 2: two or do he was so efficient Carolina, man, people

1357
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 2: were wrong about people who who you would think would

1358
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:08,960
Speaker 2: know a lot about who's good and who's not. We're

1359
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:10,160
Speaker 2: wrong about Carolina.

1360
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:14,439
Speaker 3: Yes, that certainly is correct. Here's one that's just nuts

1361
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:17,120
Speaker 3: to me, and this is just a takeaway. DeVante Adams

1362
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 3: leading the NFL fourteen receiving touchdowns this season. He's got

1363
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 3: fourteen touchdowns on fifty two catches.

1364
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:29,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, fifty two catchs. Got to be the best touchdown

1365
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 2: one reception ratio maybe an NFL history. It's got to

1366
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 2: be close. I would think so in a season.

1367
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:38,280
Speaker 3: Although there was a guy last year Westbrook a Kine

1368
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 3: with Tennessee.

1369
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 2: I think he had nine on like with there would

1370
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:45,520
Speaker 2: have to be like a minimum number, yes, of a

1371
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 2: guy who's a real I bet it's this. If he

1372
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 2: leads the NFL in receiving touchdowns. People have the best

1373
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 2: ratio of receptions to soever do that. Westbrook A.

1374
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 3: Keene was nine touchdowns on thirty two receptions last year.

1375
01:04:57,800 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 2: That's wild.

1376
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, But Davante and it's what's crazy, is it too?

1377
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 3: About it too? Is they're all inside the ten yard line.

1378
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 3: I think he has two maybe that are outside. But

1379
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:10,840
Speaker 3: he's caught eleven touchdowns in their last six games. Caught,

1380
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 3: caught them. It's eleven touchdowns. And then my guy McMillan,

1381
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:17,480
Speaker 3: I just have to bring it up again. Only one

1382
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:19,320
Speaker 3: catch in this game, but guess what it went for

1383
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:21,560
Speaker 3: forty three yards in a touchdown. He's got four scores

1384
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 3: in his last three games as well, over two hundred

1385
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:26,680
Speaker 3: yards and four scores in the last three games.

1386
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 2: He's no big deal, no big deal, quite good.

1387
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 5: I can tell you who's playing well right now. It's

1388
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 5: the Houston Texans. They've won four in a row. Texans,

1389
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:37,840
Speaker 5: get CJ. Stroud back and take down the Colts. Colts

1390
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:40,760
Speaker 5: have lost two in a row and look pretty pedestrian.

1391
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:42,680
Speaker 5: Twenty to sixteen.

1392
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 3: Thought, well, Danny Dimes has a broken leg and he's playing, yeah,

1393
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:51,280
Speaker 3: which is incredible. Yeah, this is a team that's all

1394
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:54,480
Speaker 3: about it's about the defense right now. Their defense is

1395
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 3: just suffocating. And they did it to the Bills. They

1396
01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:02,160
Speaker 3: did it right here to the Colts. If you look

1397
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 3: at kind of their performances of late, here's their last

1398
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 3: five games and what they've given up they gave up.

1399
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 3: They've beat won twenty to sixteen, twenty three to nineteen,

1400
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:17,200
Speaker 3: sixteen to thirteen. They had a weird shootout thirty six

1401
01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:19,800
Speaker 3: twenty nine with Jacksonville. Other than that, they gave up

1402
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 3: eighteen to the Broncos, fifteen to the Niners. They've only

1403
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:26,920
Speaker 3: given up twenty or more points in three games all season,

1404
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:30,080
Speaker 3: twenty to the Bucks in Week two, twenty seven to Seattle,

1405
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 3: twenty nine to the Jags. Other than that, nobody's even

1406
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:34,840
Speaker 3: gotten to twenty on them.

1407
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:37,840
Speaker 2: So you couple that with an offense that maybe is

1408
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:39,880
Speaker 2: starting to turn a corner, and then you have what

1409
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:41,840
Speaker 2: I think we thought maybe Houston would be last year,

1410
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:45,000
Speaker 2: Like if Cjken revert, Nico's going a little bit now,

1411
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:46,800
Speaker 2: like it's all starting to come together a little bit

1412
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:48,040
Speaker 2: for them.

1413
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:51,960
Speaker 5: Up next, don't look now, but the Miami Dolphins have

1414
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 5: won three in a row, yeah, five and seven, And

1415
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:58,120
Speaker 5: right back into the playoff hunt. Dolphins eliminate the New

1416
01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:02,280
Speaker 5: Orleans Saints. The Saints joined the race the Titans and

1417
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:06,400
Speaker 5: they joined the New York Football Giants eliminated from playoff contention.

1418
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:07,440
Speaker 5: Boh Bishop one.

1419
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:09,400
Speaker 2: Thought, I just think a lot of credit to Mike McDaniel.

1420
01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 2: I think he was left for dead a month.

1421
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:13,640
Speaker 5: Ago after he played US.

1422
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was left for dead. They fired the general manager.

1423
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:17,920
Speaker 2: But it was like, okay, but why are you keeping Mic, Like,

1424
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:21,000
Speaker 2: get rid of him? And he has buy in down there,

1425
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:23,479
Speaker 2: and they kept fighting for him there a little chesty. Now,

1426
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:25,680
Speaker 2: this one got closer than it kind of was. It

1427
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:27,680
Speaker 2: wasn't really as close as the score would lead you

1428
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:31,720
Speaker 2: to believe. But yeah, like they just have a little

1429
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:33,280
Speaker 2: bit of buy and they have an ultimate weapon in

1430
01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:36,240
Speaker 2: HN and with that and everybody's playing with a little

1431
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:37,920
Speaker 2: bit of a little bit of fire in their belly

1432
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:39,280
Speaker 2: and this is what you get. So a lot of

1433
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:40,760
Speaker 2: credit to McDaniel a.

1434
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 3: Chan's averaging six yards of touch, He's got fourteen hundred

1435
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:46,800
Speaker 3: and four total yards and ten touchdowns in twelve games.

1436
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:48,400
Speaker 3: He's one of the best kept secrets kind of in

1437
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:51,720
Speaker 3: the NFL because people really aren't paying all that much attention.

1438
01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:53,960
Speaker 3: But he's been over one hundred total yards in four

1439
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:56,640
Speaker 3: straight games for them, and that three and one streak,

1440
01:07:56,640 --> 01:07:59,080
Speaker 3: and you go back and they've beat after they lost

1441
01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:02,240
Speaker 3: to us, they've won four out of their last five,

1442
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 3: and in those games, he's scored four touchdowns and he's

1443
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:07,680
Speaker 3: put up ninety one one zho six two twenty five,

1444
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:09,800
Speaker 3: one sixty five and one hundred and thirty four yards

1445
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:14,120
Speaker 3: from scrimmage. He's he's been the the engine of that offense.

1446
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:17,320
Speaker 5: Next up, the New York Jets doing a fine job

1447
01:08:17,360 --> 01:08:20,320
Speaker 5: of screwing up their draft positioning. Uh taking down the

1448
01:08:20,360 --> 01:08:24,840
Speaker 5: Gutlass Falcons twenty seven to twenty four. I don't know

1449
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:27,160
Speaker 5: what's going on with the two teams.

1450
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:30,040
Speaker 3: How did the Falcons blow this game? I mean, crazy

1451
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:33,479
Speaker 3: Bijeon is dominating this game twenty two to three for

1452
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:35,599
Speaker 3: one forty two on the ground, five for fifty one

1453
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:38,240
Speaker 3: through the area. He scored a touchdown. Tyler Algiers scores

1454
01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:41,559
Speaker 3: a touchdown every single game. Cousins numbers aren't even that bad.

1455
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 3: Twenty one to thirty three to two thirty four And

1456
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:45,200
Speaker 3: what's nuts about this one?

1457
01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:46,439
Speaker 2: I gotta find the play by play.

1458
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:50,280
Speaker 3: They had every chance to win this game, and in

1459
01:08:50,320 --> 01:08:52,320
Speaker 3: fact you would have thought they were going to They

1460
01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:54,920
Speaker 3: get the ball back with a minute and fifty three

1461
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:58,280
Speaker 3: seconds and they go take only twenty seven seconds off

1462
01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:02,320
Speaker 3: the clock and punt it, and that lets the Jets.

1463
01:09:02,360 --> 01:09:03,200
Speaker 2: Jets get the ball back.

1464
01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:04,840
Speaker 3: They punt it back to him, So Kirk Cousins had

1465
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:07,120
Speaker 3: two opportunities, and they go four three and out again

1466
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:09,760
Speaker 3: no yards, twenty two seconds and punt it and then

1467
01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:11,519
Speaker 3: the Jets somehow get a field goal.

1468
01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:12,439
Speaker 2: Crazy.

1469
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 3: I mean, they had two shots inside two minute warning

1470
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:18,040
Speaker 3: to drive down the field and get it done.

1471
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:19,439
Speaker 2: They had a bad punt after that.

1472
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:21,160
Speaker 3: They netted twenty four yards on the punt, they only

1473
01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:22,960
Speaker 3: go nineteen yards and Nick Folk makes a fifty six

1474
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:25,639
Speaker 3: yard walk off, but they go the first one. They

1475
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:30,559
Speaker 3: go income run Beijon for a yard. Cousins incomplete, Cousins incomplete.

1476
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:33,160
Speaker 3: Then they get the ball back incomplete, incomplete, incomplete. He

1477
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:34,920
Speaker 3: goes oh for his last five, he's twenty one for

1478
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 3: thirty three. Yeah, and he goes over.

1479
01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:38,400
Speaker 2: His last five in the fourth quarter, so he's twenty

1480
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:41,240
Speaker 2: one to twenty yeas twenty one to twenty eight, man, you'd.

1481
01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:43,040
Speaker 5: Be two games back with five to play. And you

1482
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:45,439
Speaker 5: got Tampa in two weeks on Thursday Night.

1483
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:47,400
Speaker 2: All those teams play each other a bunch in the

1484
01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:48,679
Speaker 2: last month exactly.

1485
01:09:49,360 --> 01:09:52,879
Speaker 5: H Tampa Bay speaking of the Buccaneers take down Arizona,

1486
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:56,800
Speaker 5: hold off a pesky Arizona the cardinal team, twenty to seventeen. Bobbushit.

1487
01:09:56,920 --> 01:09:58,120
Speaker 2: These early games are dogs.

1488
01:09:58,720 --> 01:09:59,799
Speaker 5: I love the games.

1489
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:03,080
Speaker 2: They were not particularly aesthetically pleasing. Tampa Bay needed to win.

1490
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:05,599
Speaker 2: They got to win. They got they got a lot

1491
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:07,479
Speaker 2: of issues, but but they got to win. And that

1492
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:09,720
Speaker 2: it's going to be. It's very likely. I think they

1493
01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:12,960
Speaker 2: play Carolina in the final game of the year. If

1494
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:15,719
Speaker 2: that holds, that very well could be for the division.

1495
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:18,320
Speaker 2: It could be for a cool g for young NBC.

1496
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:25,240
Speaker 2: Is is Trey mcride. Is Trey McBride the next like

1497
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:29,400
Speaker 2: Kelsey Bowers.

1498
01:10:29,439 --> 01:10:32,360
Speaker 3: Maybe Bowers got hurt this year, so you haven't seen it.

1499
01:10:32,439 --> 01:10:35,400
Speaker 3: McBride last year was one hundred and eleven eleven forty six.

1500
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:38,719
Speaker 3: This year he's already leads the NFL eighty eight catches.

1501
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:42,040
Speaker 3: He's eighty eight, eight, seventy nine and eight already this year.

1502
01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:45,639
Speaker 2: That's incredible. And it's got.

1503
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:49,559
Speaker 3: Five games with Kyler Oh He's been, in fact with

1504
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:58,720
Speaker 3: Jacoby Brissett is playing pretty good football. Jacoby, he's not.

1505
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:01,240
Speaker 3: He's not going to get in the he's not winning.

1506
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:04,560
Speaker 3: But here are his numbers. Three twenty two touchdowns and

1507
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:06,680
Speaker 3: a pick, two seventy nine two touchdowns, no picks, two

1508
01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:09,479
Speaker 3: sixty one two touchdowns, no picks, two fifty eight two touchdowns,

1509
01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:12,519
Speaker 3: no picks, four point fifty two two touchdowns, two picks,

1510
01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:15,240
Speaker 3: three seventeen a touchdown, no picks, and three on one

1511
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:16,519
Speaker 3: to two touchdowns and a pick.

1512
01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:21,960
Speaker 2: And he's lost four straight. Yeah, that's not on him. Well,

1513
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:24,320
Speaker 2: they're just not That's not a good operation right there.

1514
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:30,600
Speaker 5: No, uh up next Jacksonville twenty five Titans three. Jacksonville's

1515
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:31,960
Speaker 5: won three in a row. They're eight and four.

1516
01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:35,400
Speaker 2: Kids, weapons are hurt for them, it doesn't they're finding

1517
01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:37,919
Speaker 2: a way to win. The defense is coming along. Tennessee

1518
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:40,360
Speaker 2: is probably the answer to the question of which team

1519
01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:42,479
Speaker 2: in the NFL wants this season to just be done,

1520
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:44,639
Speaker 2: and it's them. They just want to just be done.

1521
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:46,479
Speaker 2: Give us our top pick, We'll trade it to somebody

1522
01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:48,839
Speaker 2: who wants a quarterback. We'll take a couple of picks

1523
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:51,000
Speaker 2: in the first round. I mean, that's clearly their plan.

1524
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:53,320
Speaker 2: They just need this season over with. I'm gonna move

1525
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:55,080
Speaker 2: by the way, they're here Sunday.

1526
01:11:55,200 --> 01:12:01,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's right, uh late window. Seahawks twenty six Vikings

1527
01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:01,840
Speaker 5: not a.

1528
01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:05,280
Speaker 3: This was a poor performance by the Seahawks, honestly, the

1529
01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:07,040
Speaker 3: middling on offense.

1530
01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:09,439
Speaker 2: They didn't I think only had two catches in the game.

1531
01:12:09,479 --> 01:12:11,040
Speaker 2: They didn't really, he didn't even get him a catch

1532
01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:12,960
Speaker 2: until at the end of the first set.

1533
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:15,160
Speaker 3: Two for twenty three. Darnold was fourteen to twenty six

1534
01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:17,920
Speaker 3: for one to twenty eight. They did nothing on offense,

1535
01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:20,759
Speaker 3: literally nothing, and won this game twenty six to nothing.

1536
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:23,800
Speaker 2: It's probably the most incompetent offensive play I've ever seen

1537
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:26,920
Speaker 2: from a quarterback. The brossmer kid yep, But I mean

1538
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:29,760
Speaker 2: he's an undrafted rookie free agent like Justin Jefferson. Two

1539
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:34,720
Speaker 2: catches for forty yards, Dude, he was his thrilled, his

1540
01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:37,880
Speaker 2: body language, and you can't blame him because it's like, man,

1541
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:39,360
Speaker 2: what happened here? Man?

1542
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:42,080
Speaker 3: Justin Jefferson in the league and his years in the

1543
01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:45,280
Speaker 3: league eighty This is his yards per game. By the way,

1544
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:48,200
Speaker 3: he is still the all time leader in the history

1545
01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:51,719
Speaker 3: of the NFL in yards receiving even ninety two point five,

1546
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:54,760
Speaker 3: eighty seven point five, ninety five point one, one oh

1547
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:57,120
Speaker 3: six point four, one oh seven point four last year,

1548
01:12:57,240 --> 01:13:02,280
Speaker 3: ninety point two. This year sixty six point six, sixty

1549
01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:05,439
Speaker 3: six point six. His catch rate is the lowest of

1550
01:13:05,439 --> 01:13:07,640
Speaker 3: his career fifty nine percent. Never been below sixty and

1551
01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:11,479
Speaker 3: in fact it's simply around seventy. His success rate has

1552
01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:15,360
Speaker 3: never been below fifty seven percent. It's forty five percent

1553
01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:19,400
Speaker 3: this year. I mean, this is just nuts, and it's

1554
01:13:19,439 --> 01:13:23,160
Speaker 3: gotten worse of late. The last time Justin Jefferson had

1555
01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:25,720
Speaker 3: one hundred yards was against US. He had seven for

1556
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:28,880
Speaker 3: one twenty three since then, five for seventy nine, seven

1557
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:31,800
Speaker 3: for seventy four, six for forty seven, four for thirty seven,

1558
01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 3: five for sixty one, four for forty eight, two for four.

1559
01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:38,400
Speaker 2: That was with Wentz. Yeah, that was with went Well

1560
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:41,519
Speaker 2: Wentz Wentz leaves, Yeah, and he's it's toast.

1561
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:41,840
Speaker 4: That's it.

1562
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:44,920
Speaker 5: Ice have no faith in Seattle because of Sam Darnold.

1563
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:48,160
Speaker 5: They're nine to three. This this is shaping up to

1564
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:49,840
Speaker 5: be exactly what it did in Minnesota.

1565
01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:51,680
Speaker 2: You have to wonder what people are saying in Minnesota

1566
01:13:51,680 --> 01:13:54,200
Speaker 2: though about oh wait, they had him they would be

1567
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:56,280
Speaker 2: in the mix. That's he's a tricky one.

1568
01:13:56,360 --> 01:13:58,120
Speaker 5: He's a good regular season quarterback.

1569
01:13:58,160 --> 01:14:01,920
Speaker 2: He might be, But then like, what's the value of that? Like,

1570
01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:05,000
Speaker 2: what value is it in Seattle to go twelve and

1571
01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:10,000
Speaker 2: five and make the playoffs get bounced? Yeah, but twelve

1572
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:16,400
Speaker 2: and five is fun? Yep, Like Minnesota had fun last year.

1573
01:14:16,439 --> 01:14:18,800
Speaker 2: They went thirteen and four. They played a massive game

1574
01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:20,760
Speaker 2: in their final regular season game, they had a home

1575
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:24,240
Speaker 2: playoff game. Like, yeah, I mean there's value in that.

1576
01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:27,800
Speaker 5: Uh, real quick, because we're up against a Chargers thirty

1577
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:28,960
Speaker 5: one Raiders fourteen.

1578
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:31,400
Speaker 2: Not much. I mean that was as it should go.

1579
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:33,080
Speaker 2: Raiders are an unmitigated mess.

1580
01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:36,200
Speaker 5: Chargers like Herbert, Like they've got till Monday night. They

1581
01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:39,200
Speaker 5: got Philly coming to town. Yeah, but he have surgery,

1582
01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:41,439
Speaker 5: like left hand, he says he's playing.

1583
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:43,880
Speaker 2: I don't know. He's having a good year. Yeah, Raiders

1584
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:46,360
Speaker 2: are a mess. Thest question.

1585
01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:49,040
Speaker 3: I'm reading a tweet from Tom pellisera like who tells

1586
01:14:49,080 --> 01:14:50,519
Speaker 3: them to write these tweets like this?

1587
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:51,719
Speaker 2: Is this from Theland's agent.

1588
01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:54,080
Speaker 3: Two time Pro Bowl wide receiver Adam Thlan was claimed

1589
01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:55,720
Speaker 3: off Waers by the Steelers, who won one more shot

1590
01:14:55,720 --> 01:14:57,799
Speaker 3: at a Super Bowl in his final season. Now pins

1591
01:14:58,120 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 3: with long time NFC nor with rival Aaron Rodders of Pittsburgh.

1592
01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:03,960
Speaker 3: He didn't pick there, So maybe he's saying, that's why

1593
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:06,080
Speaker 3: he has to get out of Minnesota. From Minnesota, that's

1594
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:07,599
Speaker 3: why he has to get out of Minnesota. That makes

1595
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:08,040
Speaker 3: more sense.

1596
01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:11,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, why would he go to Pittsburgh.

1597
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:13,320
Speaker 3: He had no choice, but everybody goes on waivers. Now,

1598
01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:15,479
Speaker 3: oh okay, they claimed him.

1599
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:18,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, Bill's beat the Steelers. We talked a lot about that.

1600
01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:20,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, neither of these teams are good.

1601
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:24,719
Speaker 5: Yep uh Sunday night. Somehow this became a ballgame. Denver

1602
01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:26,880
Speaker 5: twenty seven. Commis twenty six in.

1603
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:31,160
Speaker 2: Ot love that version of the Commi's uniforms making the

1604
01:15:31,240 --> 01:15:34,360
Speaker 2: best chicken salad they can make of a tough situation.

1605
01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:39,160
Speaker 2: I would like that they that that was it the

1606
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:43,320
Speaker 2: R that Joe Gibbs, Yes, that is would be really

1607
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:44,920
Speaker 2: cool on the side of that helmet. I know it

1608
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:47,680
Speaker 2: doesn't work for Commanders, but their whole branding doesn't work

1609
01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:49,160
Speaker 2: because of all of it. Could be the R and

1610
01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:52,439
Speaker 2: Commanders there you go, fine, just use that script and

1611
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:56,360
Speaker 2: just keep it, keep everything the same. But that I

1612
01:15:56,479 --> 01:15:59,040
Speaker 2: like that little little easter egg in there. That's a

1613
01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:01,280
Speaker 2: that's a good look in uniform. I don't know. I

1614
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:03,400
Speaker 2: don't know what to make of Denver. I know they've

1615
01:16:03,400 --> 01:16:05,799
Speaker 2: won nine in a row and their defense is awesome.

1616
01:16:06,720 --> 01:16:09,760
Speaker 2: Nicks is fine, but I gotta get used to it.

1617
01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:11,800
Speaker 3: They've won nine games, threw for three to twenty one

1618
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:13,559
Speaker 3: in this one, and they answered the call whenever he did.

1619
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:15,840
Speaker 3: This was a good Marcus Mariota game. He looked quite

1620
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:17,760
Speaker 3: competent and put up a lot of numbers in this one,

1621
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:24,160
Speaker 3: two ninety four, two touchdowns. Yet Denver plays these close games.

1622
01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:26,439
Speaker 3: I think sometimes they play down to level air competition,

1623
01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:27,880
Speaker 3: but then they just do whatever they have to do

1624
01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:29,400
Speaker 3: to win the game. Is at the end eight and two,

1625
01:16:29,439 --> 01:16:31,120
Speaker 3: as we said in one score games eight and.

1626
01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:32,920
Speaker 2: Two held that was like us. I mean, we weren't

1627
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:34,599
Speaker 2: quite that good. But was it twenty twenty three when

1628
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:37,080
Speaker 2: they made the postseason win like yeah, record in one

1629
01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:37,559
Speaker 2: score game.

1630
01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:40,400
Speaker 3: So they they win twenty to twelve, lose twenty nine

1631
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:43,120
Speaker 3: to twenty eight, lose twenty to three to twenty so

1632
01:16:43,439 --> 01:16:46,000
Speaker 3: by the way, they were one to two. Yeah, then

1633
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:49,200
Speaker 3: they win twenty eight three of the Bengals twenty one, seventeen, thirteen, eleven,

1634
01:16:49,240 --> 01:16:51,679
Speaker 3: thirty three, thirty two, forty four to twenty four over

1635
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:55,479
Speaker 3: Dallas eighteen to fifteen, ten to seven, twenty two to nineteen,

1636
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:57,679
Speaker 3: twenty seven to twenty six, and those games are against

1637
01:16:57,720 --> 01:17:00,000
Speaker 3: They beat the Texans eighteen to fifteen, Raiders ten to seven,

1638
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:03,639
Speaker 3: maybe the Raiders ten to seven. Chie's twenty two, nineteen, Commanders,

1639
01:17:03,680 --> 01:17:08,280
Speaker 3: twenty seven, twenty six. They get Raiders, Packers, Jags, Chiefs, Chargers,

1640
01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:09,760
Speaker 3: So rings schedule tough for them.

1641
01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:10,799
Speaker 2: That's wild.

1642
01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:15,599
Speaker 5: That's one thought. Week thirteen in the National Football League.

1643
01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:17,760
Speaker 2: There you go, kids coming up next. Browns legend Phil

1644
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:21,360
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1654
01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:08,360
Speaker 2: great Phil Taylor joining us here. Sad good to see

1655
01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:12,400
Speaker 2: you man. You'll be here until five thirty today. What

1656
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:14,920
Speaker 2: is Look, we haven't had you on in a minute.

1657
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:18,680
Speaker 2: When when you're playing career ends and it's like, all right,

1658
01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:21,040
Speaker 2: where are we going to settle down? How do you

1659
01:18:21,200 --> 01:18:23,320
Speaker 2: land on here? Because I see you bouncing around the

1660
01:18:23,320 --> 01:18:25,400
Speaker 2: youth sports scene from time to time with your Joe.

1661
01:18:25,439 --> 01:18:27,120
Speaker 2: How did you How did it end up being here?

1662
01:18:27,160 --> 01:18:29,200
Speaker 2: What made this home for you? Uh?

1663
01:18:29,240 --> 01:18:31,599
Speaker 12: This is where I met my wife at and you know,

1664
01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:34,280
Speaker 12: we started our family here. So it was one of

1665
01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:37,160
Speaker 12: those things I didn't want to just you know, uproot

1666
01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:40,040
Speaker 12: everybody and move wherever wherever.

1667
01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:40,200
Speaker 2: I was going.

1668
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:43,599
Speaker 12: So, you know, when I left Cleveland, you know, they

1669
01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:45,960
Speaker 12: we still had a house here. You know, we ran

1670
01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:48,360
Speaker 12: everything as business as usual here and then it was

1671
01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:50,720
Speaker 12: just me, you know, you know, doing what I had

1672
01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:51,000
Speaker 12: to do.

1673
01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:56,320
Speaker 3: So how much of you kind of enjoyed being in

1674
01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:59,640
Speaker 3: a city that loves its football team so much and

1675
01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:00,800
Speaker 3: loves the fact you play.

1676
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:02,320
Speaker 2: We're at Cleveland Brown that like that.

1677
01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:04,800
Speaker 3: It's always and I see sometimes we're in the DC

1678
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:07,160
Speaker 3: area come to those games, but like everybody, you know,

1679
01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:09,040
Speaker 3: you're at the hotel bar and people are going nuts

1680
01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:09,760
Speaker 3: just to see it.

1681
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:10,719
Speaker 2: It's just a city that.

1682
01:19:11,240 --> 01:19:13,080
Speaker 3: Loves football, which is what makes it, I think so

1683
01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:15,040
Speaker 3: frustrating for all of us that we haven't been able

1684
01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:17,759
Speaker 3: to give these fans the payoff.

1685
01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:18,240
Speaker 2: I think.

1686
01:19:18,240 --> 01:19:20,600
Speaker 12: I think it's tougher as a as a player, you know,

1687
01:19:20,680 --> 01:19:23,080
Speaker 12: because you you know, you kind of see it from

1688
01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:25,719
Speaker 12: both sides, you know. As a player, Yeah, I wanted

1689
01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:28,599
Speaker 12: to win, but now on the outside, I'm still a

1690
01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:30,760
Speaker 12: fan of the team. Yeah, and you know, I know

1691
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:33,360
Speaker 12: how the players feel and now and I know even

1692
01:19:33,400 --> 01:19:36,320
Speaker 12: more how the fans feel. So it's like, you know,

1693
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:37,200
Speaker 12: and I love it.

1694
01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:37,439
Speaker 5: You know.

1695
01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:40,000
Speaker 12: I always had, you know, love for Cleveland since the

1696
01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:41,920
Speaker 12: day they draft me, and that's why I chose to,

1697
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:45,000
Speaker 12: you know, stay here and and raise my family here

1698
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:47,280
Speaker 12: and still you know, do things with the Browns and

1699
01:19:47,320 --> 01:19:48,520
Speaker 12: do things in the community.

1700
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:50,320
Speaker 3: You talked about it now seeing it as a fan

1701
01:19:50,360 --> 01:19:52,439
Speaker 3: but also a former player, when you see a defense

1702
01:19:52,479 --> 01:19:54,880
Speaker 3: that's playing this is a Super Bowl defense, Yeah, it's

1703
01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:57,000
Speaker 3: playing at that level. Miles Garrett's doing things that have

1704
01:19:57,080 --> 01:19:58,840
Speaker 3: never been done before in the history of the National

1705
01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:02,120
Speaker 3: Football League. How frustrating is it that to know that

1706
01:20:02,160 --> 01:20:05,880
Speaker 3: we've gotten that phase is as good as it gets

1707
01:20:06,280 --> 01:20:09,320
Speaker 3: and we still can't be a consistent winning football team.

1708
01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:13,880
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's tough, you know, obviously, I think you know,

1709
01:20:14,160 --> 01:20:16,880
Speaker 12: the reason we can't put you know, the pieces we

1710
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:19,920
Speaker 12: won around certain guys on this team is because we're

1711
01:20:20,040 --> 01:20:24,360
Speaker 12: kind of handcuffed with bad investments, you know. And it

1712
01:20:24,439 --> 01:20:27,719
Speaker 12: sucks on both parts, the players side of it and

1713
01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:29,960
Speaker 12: the organization side of it, you know. And that's the

1714
01:20:30,040 --> 01:20:33,640
Speaker 12: nature of this beast. You never know what's gonna go

1715
01:20:33,439 --> 01:20:35,840
Speaker 12: go on with a guy you know, want you pay him,

1716
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:38,280
Speaker 12: you know. But at the same time, I know deep

1717
01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:41,400
Speaker 12: down and you know D Four's heart that you know,

1718
01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:43,880
Speaker 12: if given a chance, he'll still want to play. And

1719
01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:46,760
Speaker 12: I feel like he can still probably play somewhere else,

1720
01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:49,920
Speaker 12: you know what I mean. But it just sucks that

1721
01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:53,040
Speaker 12: we got this, you know, championship caliber defense and we

1722
01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:54,519
Speaker 12: can't get it done.

1723
01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:54,720
Speaker 5: You know.

1724
01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:57,639
Speaker 12: We're still losing games, you know, and Miles is probably

1725
01:20:57,640 --> 01:21:01,320
Speaker 12: gonna obliterate the record this year, yep. And what is

1726
01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:03,360
Speaker 12: he going to have to show for it, you know,

1727
01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:05,200
Speaker 12: not not even a playoff.

1728
01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:06,960
Speaker 2: With hard you know, what I mean. So, yeah, Phil,

1729
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:09,479
Speaker 2: how do when you're a part of something like that,

1730
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:10,720
Speaker 2: and I don't know in your career, if you were

1731
01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:13,080
Speaker 2: ever in a spot like that where one side was

1732
01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:16,920
Speaker 2: so great and the other side was deficient, how hard

1733
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:19,320
Speaker 2: is it to keep everybody rolling in the same direction

1734
01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:20,400
Speaker 2: in that circumstance.

1735
01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:22,519
Speaker 12: We were kind of in that, but we wasn't you know,

1736
01:21:22,760 --> 01:21:25,960
Speaker 12: championship caliber. We were top ten, you know, my first

1737
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:28,559
Speaker 12: couple of years in the league, and we were just

1738
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:31,960
Speaker 12: always you know, a quarterback away, you know, as we say,

1739
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:35,920
Speaker 12: but you know, being in the locker room, uh, you know,

1740
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:38,360
Speaker 12: dealing with something like that when you you know, you

1741
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:40,760
Speaker 12: see what, you see, the struggles, you know what's going on.

1742
01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:44,000
Speaker 12: But you gotta you can only control what you can control,

1743
01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:45,559
Speaker 12: you know what I mean. You don't want to be,

1744
01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:48,600
Speaker 12: you know, speaking out about things that you know have

1745
01:21:48,680 --> 01:21:49,439
Speaker 12: nothing to do with you.

1746
01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:52,960
Speaker 3: When you watch what Miles doing is doing this year,

1747
01:21:53,080 --> 01:21:54,519
Speaker 3: what kind of goes through your head? And what do

1748
01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:56,320
Speaker 3: you think it's like for the guys on that line

1749
01:21:56,360 --> 01:22:00,480
Speaker 3: with him, who are only ever getting single blocks and.

1750
01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:01,760
Speaker 2: Who are you know what, Malik was having a heck

1751
01:22:01,800 --> 01:22:02,240
Speaker 2: of a year.

1752
01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:04,960
Speaker 3: That sucks that he's gone down, Mason's playing well, my

1753
01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:07,200
Speaker 3: calls playing well, Shelby, all those guys. But you know,

1754
01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:08,840
Speaker 3: on the interior, when you have a guy like that

1755
01:22:08,920 --> 01:22:10,840
Speaker 3: on the outside, it's gotta be wild.

1756
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:13,160
Speaker 12: Oh yeah, I would have loved to play play with Miles,

1757
01:22:13,200 --> 01:22:16,040
Speaker 12: you know, freak me up a little bit. But uh yeah,

1758
01:22:16,160 --> 01:22:18,960
Speaker 12: I mean those guys are They're gonna play even harder

1759
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:21,720
Speaker 12: because they know he's out there, you know, giving up

1760
01:22:21,760 --> 01:22:24,200
Speaker 12: his body, you know, taking on you know, two to

1761
01:22:24,280 --> 01:22:29,439
Speaker 12: three blockers per play, you know, and so it's like

1762
01:22:29,960 --> 01:22:32,000
Speaker 12: you gotta win your one on one. You know, Miles

1763
01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:33,759
Speaker 12: might not be able to get at it, but somebody

1764
01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:35,360
Speaker 12: better get it, you know what I mean.

1765
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:39,040
Speaker 2: So, yeah, you're a guy who chase quarterbacks and tried

1766
01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:41,600
Speaker 2: to stop offenses for your career. You also probably a

1767
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:44,679
Speaker 2: pretty good eye for what makes a quarterback. We've seen

1768
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:47,040
Speaker 2: two starts from Shore Sanders, one on the road, one

1769
01:22:47,080 --> 01:22:50,360
Speaker 2: at home. What have you seen from him positively? What

1770
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:52,880
Speaker 2: needs to improve? What do you hope to see from

1771
01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:55,080
Speaker 2: him to let you know what he is over the

1772
01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:55,639
Speaker 2: next month?

1773
01:22:56,360 --> 01:22:56,479
Speaker 9: Uh?

1774
01:22:56,520 --> 01:22:57,280
Speaker 2: I see, he just.

1775
01:22:57,439 --> 01:23:00,360
Speaker 12: Each week he's he's trying to improve, you know, and

1776
01:23:00,439 --> 01:23:03,639
Speaker 12: uh you know, giving the you know, he's only had

1777
01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:06,599
Speaker 12: a few weeks of practicing with the ones and things

1778
01:23:06,680 --> 01:23:10,560
Speaker 12: like that. He's doing better than you know, I expected.

1779
01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:13,559
Speaker 12: And given that we don't have the best offensive line

1780
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:16,000
Speaker 12: right now, we don't have the best wide receiver corps

1781
01:23:16,040 --> 01:23:17,759
Speaker 12: right now, he's.

1782
01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:19,240
Speaker 2: Doing what he can do, you know what I mean.

1783
01:23:19,280 --> 01:23:22,160
Speaker 12: You can't really put that much pressure on somebody as

1784
01:23:22,160 --> 01:23:25,200
Speaker 12: a even as a rookie coming in with the situation

1785
01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:28,040
Speaker 12: we have and the personnel we have. You know, we

1786
01:23:28,160 --> 01:23:32,400
Speaker 12: have some young guys that I feel like we'll be

1787
01:23:32,439 --> 01:23:35,360
Speaker 12: stepping up and you know, will be the mode for

1788
01:23:35,400 --> 01:23:38,400
Speaker 12: the team in the next few years, like Fanning and Judkins.

1789
01:23:39,200 --> 01:23:42,639
Speaker 12: And I feel like with this upcoming draft, our first

1790
01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:46,000
Speaker 12: three picks should be either too old lineman and a

1791
01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:48,280
Speaker 12: wide receiver or by you know what I mean. Yes,

1792
01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:50,639
Speaker 12: I don't care if it's all old lineman. I feel

1793
01:23:50,640 --> 01:23:56,400
Speaker 12: like those teams we can we can give weapons in

1794
01:23:56,479 --> 01:24:00,600
Speaker 12: free agency, you know, and we got to you know

1795
01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:02,280
Speaker 12: what I mean. But at the same time, I would

1796
01:24:02,360 --> 01:24:04,920
Speaker 12: rather take a free agent wide receiver than to hope

1797
01:24:05,120 --> 01:24:07,559
Speaker 12: on a rookie wide receiver unless it's one of those

1798
01:24:07,560 --> 01:24:08,200
Speaker 12: top guys.

1799
01:24:08,479 --> 01:24:10,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're saying Carnel tape you can bring Carnel tape

1800
01:24:10,880 --> 01:24:15,679
Speaker 3: right up the road from Columbus and anybody have brought Yeah, exactly. Yeah,

1801
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:17,680
Speaker 3: so you're looking like this here for example. You know,

1802
01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:19,439
Speaker 3: the Browns I think are very happy with the way

1803
01:24:19,479 --> 01:24:21,280
Speaker 3: things play down in that draft. But there's a world

1804
01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:22,880
Speaker 3: in which maybe you made a couple more moves, he

1805
01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:25,519
Speaker 3: ended up with a BUCA and some more picks, and

1806
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:29,160
Speaker 3: you'd be feeling, you know, pretty good about things right now, Yeah,

1807
01:24:29,479 --> 01:24:32,200
Speaker 3: we do. You're right, we've got some of those young guys. Offensively,

1808
01:24:32,200 --> 01:24:34,720
Speaker 3: it's tough do you think as a former first round

1809
01:24:34,720 --> 01:24:36,720
Speaker 3: pick and an early pick in your own right? You know,

1810
01:24:36,760 --> 01:24:38,519
Speaker 3: for a guy like Chador. There were so many mock

1811
01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:41,880
Speaker 3: drafts that had cam Ward and Shador going one and two,

1812
01:24:42,080 --> 01:24:44,080
Speaker 3: one and two, one and two, and it ends up

1813
01:24:44,120 --> 01:24:46,639
Speaker 3: being cam Ward goes first, Chador, as we know, goes

1814
01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:49,719
Speaker 3: in the fifth round. But they're both the starting quarterbacks

1815
01:24:49,720 --> 01:24:51,840
Speaker 3: for their teams this Sunday, And so is there is

1816
01:24:51,880 --> 01:24:54,320
Speaker 3: that something that's in the mind of a young guy

1817
01:24:54,400 --> 01:24:56,639
Speaker 3: like Shador probably like, Okay, this guy is the number

1818
01:24:56,680 --> 01:24:59,560
Speaker 3: one pick. I believe in myself right here, this is

1819
01:24:59,560 --> 01:25:00,439
Speaker 3: what we're tr I had to do.

1820
01:25:00,640 --> 01:25:04,000
Speaker 12: Of course, because Uh, to be honest, you know, the

1821
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:07,400
Speaker 12: number one over raw pick. They're not playing well either

1822
01:25:07,439 --> 01:25:09,760
Speaker 12: right now, you know what I mean, And they kind

1823
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:12,240
Speaker 12: of look like, oh they're they're the same.

1824
01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:12,600
Speaker 2: You know.

1825
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:15,880
Speaker 12: It's it's saying like, dang, why did Shador fall so much?

1826
01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:19,160
Speaker 12: But I think all that was more more of the

1827
01:25:19,200 --> 01:25:22,200
Speaker 12: politics in the court of public opinion, you know, than

1828
01:25:22,479 --> 01:25:25,280
Speaker 12: it was you know, on the football field, and and

1829
01:25:25,720 --> 01:25:30,360
Speaker 12: actually drafting the guy what for what he's capable of doing,

1830
01:25:30,560 --> 01:25:31,720
Speaker 12: you know, and uh.

1831
01:25:31,640 --> 01:25:33,559
Speaker 2: There's a big showcase opportunity though.

1832
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:35,960
Speaker 12: Oh yeah, and I like it, you know, number there

1833
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:38,200
Speaker 12: and they're and they're both competitive with each other, so

1834
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:40,320
Speaker 12: I know both of them are gonna be wanting to

1835
01:25:40,360 --> 01:25:44,000
Speaker 12: go out there and have a great game. But for ward,

1836
01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:46,160
Speaker 12: I don't I don't think. So he has to face

1837
01:25:46,200 --> 01:25:51,280
Speaker 12: our defense. Yeah, in Tennessee's defense is not our defense,

1838
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:56,240
Speaker 12: nor is it San Francisco's defense. So I think Chador

1839
01:25:56,320 --> 01:25:59,240
Speaker 12: would probably end up coming out better on on this side.

1840
01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:01,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you think about how quickly. I mean,

1841
01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:04,679
Speaker 2: we were talking earlier about New England, like they land

1842
01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:07,599
Speaker 2: the quarterback. Now he's the third quarterback taken in that draft,

1843
01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:11,519
Speaker 2: but they land the quarterback Rapes comes in there, flips

1844
01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:14,679
Speaker 2: it in a second, and all of a sudden, they've

1845
01:26:14,720 --> 01:26:16,360
Speaker 2: won ten in a row. They're the one seed in

1846
01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:19,360
Speaker 2: the AFC. But it all does come back to the quarterback.

1847
01:26:19,360 --> 01:26:21,760
Speaker 2: If you don't have that, then the rest of it.

1848
01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:23,720
Speaker 2: I mean, look at Minnesota. We were talking about them,

1849
01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:26,479
Speaker 2: like they've one of the best receiving cores and probably

1850
01:26:26,479 --> 01:26:28,479
Speaker 2: the best receiver in the league. They can't get it

1851
01:26:28,479 --> 01:26:30,320
Speaker 2: going because right now they can't throw the all the field.

1852
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:32,920
Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean that's why, like my name will always

1853
01:26:32,920 --> 01:26:35,720
Speaker 12: go down, you know in history with the Browns, Oh

1854
01:26:35,880 --> 01:26:39,000
Speaker 12: what have what could we have had with Julio?

1855
01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:39,920
Speaker 2: Well?

1856
01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:42,240
Speaker 12: Could you have? You ain't have nothing to throw to him.

1857
01:26:43,479 --> 01:26:47,040
Speaker 12: It's true, you gotta have the quarterback exactly. So uh yeah,

1858
01:26:47,080 --> 01:26:51,120
Speaker 12: I mean the QB's down in this league is key,

1859
01:26:51,479 --> 01:26:54,840
Speaker 12: but it is it's also harder to play QB now,

1860
01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:57,200
Speaker 12: you know, and they're throwing these guys in the fire

1861
01:26:57,840 --> 01:27:00,439
Speaker 12: like we can go back to you know, Man's one

1862
01:27:00,439 --> 01:27:02,360
Speaker 12: of those guys. I feel like he was the type

1863
01:27:02,360 --> 01:27:05,439
Speaker 12: of person that needed to sit behind somebody for a

1864
01:27:05,439 --> 01:27:08,240
Speaker 12: couple of years, you know, learn it, you know, ease

1865
01:27:08,320 --> 01:27:11,040
Speaker 12: them into it, and you know, they get thrown in

1866
01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:14,559
Speaker 12: the fire. It's kind of like it's detrimental to some

1867
01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:18,599
Speaker 12: of these kids' careers because you know, just because they

1868
01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:21,160
Speaker 12: you know, were the first overall pick, they going to

1869
01:27:21,280 --> 01:27:25,479
Speaker 12: a bad team anyway, yep, so they're not gonna look good.

1870
01:27:25,640 --> 01:27:27,760
Speaker 12: So but if you know, say Cam Wore would have

1871
01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:30,120
Speaker 12: went to one of these teams, a better team and

1872
01:27:30,200 --> 01:27:33,280
Speaker 12: just backed up you know somebody, Yeah, I feel like

1873
01:27:33,320 --> 01:27:33,920
Speaker 12: he'd be better.

1874
01:27:34,200 --> 01:27:36,920
Speaker 3: I said, Mahomes backed up you know, Alex for a

1875
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:39,800
Speaker 3: whole year and then didn't play. Aaron Rodgers sat behind

1876
01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:43,080
Speaker 3: Brett Farr, Jordan Love sat behind Rogers for all those years.

1877
01:27:43,439 --> 01:27:45,880
Speaker 3: They probably say, maybe we should have gotten Rogers something

1878
01:27:45,920 --> 01:27:46,519
Speaker 3: we kept try to.

1879
01:27:46,439 --> 01:27:49,639
Speaker 2: Win another super Bowl. But yeah, there's there's no patience.

1880
01:27:49,680 --> 01:27:51,519
Speaker 3: We were talking about Peyton Manning or Peyton Manning's first

1881
01:27:51,560 --> 01:27:53,040
Speaker 3: year when three and thirteen through.

1882
01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:54,559
Speaker 2: Twenty eight picks. Yeah, yeah, like.

1883
01:27:54,520 --> 01:27:58,280
Speaker 3: Today's in today's NFL, He's might not even make it

1884
01:27:58,520 --> 01:27:59,040
Speaker 3: the season.

1885
01:27:59,160 --> 01:28:00,920
Speaker 2: You know, they might have made it switch at that point.

1886
01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:03,759
Speaker 2: So it's it is very different.

1887
01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:07,120
Speaker 3: What would tell you over the last you know, five games,

1888
01:28:07,120 --> 01:28:09,479
Speaker 3: And I hope Stor gets those opportunities over the final

1889
01:28:09,520 --> 01:28:12,120
Speaker 3: five games. What would tell you that you what do

1890
01:28:12,160 --> 01:28:13,519
Speaker 3: you want to see or what would you tell the

1891
01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:16,160
Speaker 3: fans to look for that says okay, yes, this is

1892
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:17,839
Speaker 3: this is going in the right direction.

1893
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:19,000
Speaker 5: Uh.

1894
01:28:19,200 --> 01:28:21,840
Speaker 12: Mentally, how he handles handles it, you know, how he

1895
01:28:21,920 --> 01:28:27,519
Speaker 12: carries itself. We know, shitdoor, he's he's not the typical QB.

1896
01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:30,280
Speaker 12: You know, he has a little swagger about itself and

1897
01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:33,160
Speaker 12: a lot of people they don't understand it. But at

1898
01:28:33,160 --> 01:28:36,439
Speaker 12: the same time, as long as he's consistently improving on

1899
01:28:36,439 --> 01:28:39,960
Speaker 12: the field, trying to get better, and you know, carrying

1900
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:43,200
Speaker 12: itself like a pro, I don't disguise the limit because

1901
01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:46,240
Speaker 12: as a player, you got to look at what's going

1902
01:28:46,280 --> 01:28:49,720
Speaker 12: on behind the door, you know, you know, behind the curtains.

1903
01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:52,720
Speaker 12: They have so many injuries on the office line, the

1904
01:28:52,760 --> 01:28:56,920
Speaker 12: office a line not playing well. He doesn't you know,

1905
01:28:57,520 --> 01:29:00,280
Speaker 12: calling a clip bait or whatever. He doesn't have a

1906
01:29:00,320 --> 01:29:03,080
Speaker 12: number one where I receive, you know. And Judy can

1907
01:29:03,120 --> 01:29:06,519
Speaker 12: be mad all he wants, but he needs help, you

1908
01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:06,960
Speaker 12: know what I mean.

1909
01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:07,960
Speaker 2: Judy gotta get open.

1910
01:29:08,160 --> 01:29:09,599
Speaker 12: You know, you can want the ball all you want,

1911
01:29:09,640 --> 01:29:11,120
Speaker 12: but you can't get the ball if you're not open.

1912
01:29:11,360 --> 01:29:14,360
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1913
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1915
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1926
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Speaker 2: to see you, my friend as always, and this was good.

1927
01:30:12,439 --> 01:30:14,400
Speaker 2: And then tomorrow will be on to Tennessee.

1928
01:30:14,800 --> 01:30:17,400
Speaker 3: Onto the Titans and hopefully back into the win column.

1929
01:30:18,160 --> 01:30:23,640
Speaker 3: Let's go get a little momentum going when two of

1930
01:30:23,680 --> 01:30:26,160
Speaker 3: the last three or that would be at least that'd

1931
01:30:26,200 --> 01:30:28,679
Speaker 3: be the best stretch we've had and get a little

1932
01:30:28,720 --> 01:30:31,240
Speaker 3: confidence hopefully, because after that you're going to face teams

1933
01:30:31,240 --> 01:30:32,880
Speaker 3: that are playing for something. That's when you're going to

1934
01:30:32,920 --> 01:30:34,599
Speaker 3: be in the role of, you know, trying to stay

1935
01:30:34,640 --> 01:30:36,519
Speaker 3: alive in this division if you get a win, but

1936
01:30:36,600 --> 01:30:38,560
Speaker 3: if you and if you don't, then you're playing a

1937
01:30:38,560 --> 01:30:39,160
Speaker 3: little spoiler.

1938
01:30:39,160 --> 01:30:40,720
Speaker 2: But I think this is a game. Absolutely the brown

1939
01:30:40,760 --> 01:30:43,639
Speaker 2: should win. Absolutely, So we thank all of you for listening.

1940
01:30:43,680 --> 01:30:46,000
Speaker 2: We think the great friends out here at MGM Northfield Park,

1941
01:30:46,160 --> 01:30:48,400
Speaker 2: the great Phil Taylor as well, Dave d Astill, thanks

1942
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Speaker 2: for joining us. Everybody Cleveland on Daily eight fifty ESPN Cleveland.

1943
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1944
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1945
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Speaker 4: That's the