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Speaker 2: and Matt Bucky Brooks has come out with his mock

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Speaker 2: draft three point zero and well he has fallen into

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Speaker 3: Uh twenty one, that's the spot. Huh.

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Speaker 2: Let's roll through this.

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Speaker 3: Let's get the feeling though, a lot of these guys

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Speaker 3: just want to get Dart in the first round because

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Speaker 2: Those that to me is more likely makes it happen

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Speaker 3: I mean, like I've heard the Jets love him like

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Speaker 3: that makes sense to me at the beginning of the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's roll through this year. So he has cam

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Speaker 3: I tend to think that. I read something that Dion

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Travis Hunter then goes to the Giants at three.

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Speaker 3: They don't really need him, but I think he's the

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Speaker 2: At four, the Patriots take Abdull Carter.

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Speaker 3: You take Carter over Membo if you're them, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: even if it's I mean, he's just a bire graded player. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's not like you're winning the Super Bowl this here

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Speaker 2: At five, the Jaguars take Mason Graham.

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Speaker 3: Getting pretty chalky too.

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Speaker 2: He was back up to three hundred and six pounds

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Speaker 3: I was happy to see that.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what his plan was with the combine.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, your underwear tess didn't work out.

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Speaker 2: At six, the Raiders take Ashton Genty.

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Speaker 3: I think that's quite possible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. At seven, the Jets take Penn State tight end

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Speaker 3: That's the other name that some Jets people I was

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Speaker 3: That's almost like Joe Alt to the Titans last year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I prefer Membo, who hasn't gone yet. But

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Speaker 2: Well, and we heard that the player comp was Ryan Ramchick.

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Speaker 3: I don't think that's crazy. There's been quite a few

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Speaker 2: At eleven, the San Francisco forty nine Ers take John A.

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Speaker 2: This is why the way this particular draft is going

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Speaker 2: At fifteen, the Falcons take.

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Speaker 3: Ed rusher Mike Green. There you go, right, It's not

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Speaker 2: At eighteen, the Seahawks take Grey's Abel offensive linemen out

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Speaker 2: I don't know if Dart's going to be in there.

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Speaker 2: For me to take Dart, all the defensive tackles would have.

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Speaker 2: Now, in this particular draft. None of the wide receivers

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Speaker 2: no no wonder Mike Tannabaum is a former NFL because

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Speaker 3: I did see that too. I was like, that is

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Speaker 3: It'd have to be Abdul Carter. Yeah, right, it have

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Speaker 2: At twenty two the Chargers and take Colston Loveland. I

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Speaker 3: You think you would take him. You think they'd take

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Speaker 2: At thirty, the Bills then take Kenneth Grant that happens

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Speaker 3: Makes sense. Everyone puts an O lineman there, but their

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Speaker 2: If Josh Simmons is healthy, yeah, he doesn't last at

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Not this year, right, it's not gonna happen. I don't

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Speaker 3: There's never an abundance of them. It's never like, boy,

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Speaker 3: there's too many tackles in this draft. I mean, last

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Speaker 2: So, yeah, that was Bucky's take there. I'm sorry. I

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Speaker 3: No, true or false, he will be a first round pick.

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Speaker 3: The Giants move because I.

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Speaker 2: Honestly think he's about the fiftieth rated player in this draft,

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Speaker 2: The Browns may take him if they take or Sanders

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Speaker 3: You know, I bet he goes in the top thirty five.

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Speaker 2: It's starting to happen more and more like, again, this

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Speaker 3: It, and I'm gonna I need to watch them more

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Speaker 3: That's kind of my thought on if the Steelers.

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Speaker 3: I think the Giants and Browns from ownership are saying

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Speaker 3: Maybe to get to ahead of the Steelers or whatever, right,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we can talk right right right if I want

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Speaker 2: So it's just it's all the machinations going on right now.

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Speaker 2: But we'll get some people on. We're down at the

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Speaker 2: Dale Lolly. You're listening to the drive here on the

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Speaker 1: At least is the drive with Dale Lolly and Matt

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Speaker 2: And we are back. I am Dale LOLLI he is

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Speaker 2: the Matt Williamson and Matt. We've done this a few

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Speaker 3: Wouldn't shock me if he falls more than you think.

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Speaker 3: You know, this is a back to that conversation, how

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but you'd have.

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Speaker 3: He's go can fall the third round for the Steelers,

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Speaker 2: Know, maybe maybe not. Yeah, you just don't know. Josh

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Speaker 3: if he's still there.

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00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:47,840
Speaker 2: Alfred Collins is another one. We actually warm it up

447
00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,320
Speaker 2: to that guy too. He bats down a ton of passes.

448
00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:51,440
Speaker 2: You watch them.

449
00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:52,160
Speaker 3: Both.

450
00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:54,120
Speaker 2: The Texas guys are interesting, yeah, I mean they both

451
00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:55,080
Speaker 2: brought in the other one. Yeah.

452
00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:58,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were stuck behind two really good players on

453
00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:01,960
Speaker 3: a super talented team. But they got dimensions and they

454
00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:04,440
Speaker 3: are big enough to ride to ride here. I think

455
00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:06,520
Speaker 3: one of those guys could end up in Pittsburgh. Yeah.

456
00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:09,440
Speaker 2: Broughton's another one there that kind of flew under the

457
00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:13,640
Speaker 2: radar a little bit. In a different draft class, you'd

458
00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:15,880
Speaker 2: be talking about him as a potential second round Yeah.

459
00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:17,280
Speaker 3: I tend to think so, and you might give him

460
00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:18,639
Speaker 3: the fourth right right.

461
00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:20,160
Speaker 4: Yeah.

462
00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:22,480
Speaker 2: Cam Jackson out of Florida is another one of these

463
00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:25,840
Speaker 2: nose tackles. It's just a huge space eater on the inside.

464
00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:27,920
Speaker 3: There's some value to that.

465
00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, you know, can you get a guy

466
00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:33,240
Speaker 2: like that in the in the sixth round.

467
00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:35,000
Speaker 3: Then that's that. I bet you give him the fifth Yeah.

468
00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:40,000
Speaker 3: I mean so that those types aren't for every defense,

469
00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:43,080
Speaker 3: and if there's I bet we could come up with

470
00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:45,960
Speaker 3: eight of them in this draft. The seventh or eighth

471
00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:47,960
Speaker 3: one is going to be around for a while. Yeah,

472
00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,240
Speaker 3: and maybe this that doesn't mean the seventh or eighth

473
00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:51,000
Speaker 3: even the best one.

474
00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:54,960
Speaker 2: There aren't realistically how many teams are going to be

475
00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:58,040
Speaker 2: interested in a true nose tackle.

476
00:20:57,760 --> 00:20:59,400
Speaker 3: Time, right, Like a lot of teams will be interested

477
00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:00,040
Speaker 3: in Alford.

478
00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,879
Speaker 2: Call Right, We're brought in someone of that, right, right.

479
00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:08,280
Speaker 3: But I mean Phillips and Caldwell and Jackson and these

480
00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:12,760
Speaker 3: nose types they have bargain, right, I was hes it

481
00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:14,560
Speaker 3: on him. But he's not much a pass rusher either,

482
00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:16,920
Speaker 3: you know, not everyone's going to be the market for him.

483
00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,160
Speaker 3: I think you'll get those guys around later or two

484
00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:19,840
Speaker 3: than you thought.

485
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:23,240
Speaker 2: That's the only argument I can come up with against

486
00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:24,800
Speaker 2: taking Kenneth Grant in the first round.

487
00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:28,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, because we do so many mocks. It's wonderful when

488
00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:31,160
Speaker 3: the fifth round rules around and it's west or Caldwell. Yeah,

489
00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:33,520
Speaker 3: go sign me up, and like we all kind of

490
00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,960
Speaker 3: did that. And I do think Grant could line up

491
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:39,199
Speaker 3: at other spots. I also think Collins could, but I

492
00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,880
Speaker 3: don't want. I don't know if I need two three

493
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:42,919
Speaker 3: hundred and thirty.

494
00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:46,560
Speaker 2: Plus guys in the same draft class. Yeah, to feed

495
00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 2: him too, Yeah, yeah, there is that. But good football

496
00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:56,720
Speaker 2: players are good football players, yeah, right, right right, And

497
00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:57,920
Speaker 2: I just want to collect them.

498
00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:01,160
Speaker 3: And you'll be big, physical, AFC nor you know, hard

499
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:05,320
Speaker 3: to play against. Derrick Henry's in your division. Don't discount it.

500
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I bet they draft a nose.

501
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:09,040
Speaker 4: Yeah.

502
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 2: JJ. Pegas to me out of Mississippi is another one

503
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,080
Speaker 2: that's interesting. He was a tight end early in his

504
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:19,480
Speaker 2: career and then he transferred. He was at Auburn, transfers

505
00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 2: to Mississippi.

506
00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:21,680
Speaker 3: He's an in for a visit.

507
00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:26,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they still used him as a short yard

508
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,159
Speaker 2: age fullback. I think with a lot of success. With

509
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,159
Speaker 2: a lot of success, I think he had he actually

510
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 2: touched a ball, like they give him the ball like

511
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,119
Speaker 2: nineteen times or something like that. He either scored a

512
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,440
Speaker 2: touchdown or came up with the first down. Seventeen times.

513
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,520
Speaker 3: So I can't verify this, but I've heard several people

514
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 3: bring it up that NFL teams at the Combine wanted

515
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 3: him to work out with the running backs too, and

516
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 3: he just said, I'll look too bad against us. It

517
00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,680
Speaker 3: was like, that's a bad career move, but wanted to

518
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 3: see him do some of the drills as a fullback.

519
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not to say he's Walter Payton or

520
00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:59,680
Speaker 3: Eric Dickerson, you know what I mean. He's still raw

521
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 3: as defensive tackle. Yeah, yeah, but he's super athletic, really talented. Yeah,

522
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,160
Speaker 3: what are his dimensions? Is he six two?

523
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:08,479
Speaker 2: He's like six two three hundred.

524
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:10,680
Speaker 3: I thought he was like two eighty eight or something

525
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 3: like that.

526
00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 2: But I mean the list him here at the Combine

527
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 2: as six two and a half three h nine.

528
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,159
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, I mean it. You just could use that

529
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:20,240
Speaker 3: guy that's Ogad Jobi.

530
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I just think that he ran a

531
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,680
Speaker 2: five to one five that's fine. Yeah, I mean he

532
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 2: for a nose tackle, you know, I can I.

533
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:34,120
Speaker 3: Guess it'd be more nose here.

534
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

535
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,119
Speaker 3: I mean he's not Hampton.

536
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 2: No, he's not that right, But with that athleticism, is

537
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 2: he hard Grave. Could he be hard great?

538
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, in my question, Okay, No, he's really interesting.

539
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, fourth fifth round, I think so.

540
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

541
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,439
Speaker 2: You know my love for Ty Robinson. I think a

542
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,160
Speaker 2: lot of people are sleeping on him.

543
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 3: I I don't think he's going to Pro Bowls, but

544
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,199
Speaker 3: I think he last in the league ten years and

545
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,359
Speaker 3: retires with a lot of millions in the back. Yeah.

546
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 2: Just a good football player.

547
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

548
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 4: Yeah.

549
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 2: Jamari Caldwell is another one of these nose tackles that

550
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:08,920
Speaker 2: I'm a fan. Pretty damn intriguing. Yeah.

551
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 3: He moves well. I mean he's very physical. A lot

552
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,400
Speaker 3: of stunts and twists with harmon and things like that

553
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 3: too that he can do fine. He's active.

554
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he is a nose tackle body type body type. Yeah.

555
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 2: Mentioned Brutton. I'm just looking here through some of these guys.

556
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,919
Speaker 2: Tim Smith out of Alabama another pure like you're not

557
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 2: going to get anything pass rush wise out of these guys. Yeah, yeah,

558
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,119
Speaker 2: but you want them to plug the middle.

559
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 3: I always want to him in Black from Iowa together too,

560
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 3: just full grown man.

561
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, yaha. Black's another one. I can't believe he's not

562
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 2: available on the Pro.

563
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 3: Football Yeah, so wark draft. I'm sure it's an oversight

564
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 3: of some sort. But both those guys are I mean,

565
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,160
Speaker 3: they can play a little high, but it doesn't always

566
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,360
Speaker 3: matter because they're just big, strong, powerful.

567
00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, Off, first off, the bus kind of

568
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 2: got I don't.

569
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 3: Want to meet him in at dark alley types. Yeah, right.

570
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 2: And honestly, is there you know, is there that much

571
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,440
Speaker 2: difference between a guy like that and Jordan Phillips?

572
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,479
Speaker 3: Probably not and probably not. I think Phillips plays lower

573
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 3: and he was a wrestler, and there probably is more

574
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 3: pass rush upside. But these guys are big, heavy handed,

575
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 3: knock back little center guys.

576
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're gonna you put him over top of the

577
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 2: linder bombs, the lender bombs of the world. They're gonna

578
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 2: knock him.

579
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's gonna be a handful.

580
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 2: You think he's gonna he's gonna have some issues, Let's

581
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 2: put it that way. Jay Toya out of UCLA is another.

582
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 3: One that I don't know a ton about him.

583
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 2: He kind of noticed him at the combine. He moves

584
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 2: pretty well six two.

585
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 3: Wow. That's a big man. Yeah, that's a big man.

586
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 2: And you know.

587
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 3: He's not a super chubbo though, right.

588
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,160
Speaker 2: No, I mean I just think he is a he's

589
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 2: got that pure nose tackle, but he the effort is

590
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 2: like you, yeah, you just see pure effort all the time.

591
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 2: Just another guy there that could be. Again, maybe he's

592
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 2: not your long term answer as a sure, but a

593
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,880
Speaker 2: guy that you know situationally can play the nose for you, that.

594
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 3: You get in the sixth round, yeah, you know that

595
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 3: makes a team and is active on game day as

596
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 3: a rookie. Maybe.

597
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 2: I mean you're talking about what did Daniel Jeremiah said

598
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 2: he has twenty four defensive tackles in this draft that

599
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 2: he has startable grades.

600
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 3: I know, I think McShay has thirty d lineman in

601
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 3: his top three rounds, including edge guys. I'm not sure

602
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 3: the numbers now I think about it, but it's something

603
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 3: like that. I mean there's a ton of them.

604
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, so you're going to get guys in

605
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 2: this particular draft in the fourth round, in the fifth round,

606
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 2: even in the sixth round that.

607
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,959
Speaker 3: Will be long time, long term contributors. Yeah, they're going

608
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 3: to last in this league and be pretty good careers.

609
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 3: And there's what out of dip your toes in those waters, what.

610
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 2: I see is more of those nose tackle types and

611
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 2: as many of the true defensive end types. Yeah, yeah,

612
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 2: which is why you know, when I look at a guy,

613
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 2: some of these edge guys or guys who are considered edge,

614
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 2: like a Shamar Stewart or like a.

615
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 3: The Mississippi Ude we were talking aboueah. Yeah, yeah, he

616
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 3: manufactured him into a bigger version.

617
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 2: Can I turn Can I turn Kyle Canard into a

618
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:28,719
Speaker 2: three four defensive end? I think there's a I mean,

619
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 2: you know, he has pass rush skills right right, He's six' four,

620
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 2: now he was down to two fifty fourth to. COMBAT

621
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 2: i think.

622
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 3: That's not what he wants to. Do, YEAH i think

623
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 3: that's the. Case himself is an edge. Guy i'm not

624
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 3: sure he's the best, example but.

625
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 2: He ran a four to seven three at The, LIKE

626
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 2: i don't know that his best. Position, Like i'm not

627
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 2: going to put him an outside, linebacker not Fit.

628
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,719
Speaker 3: STEELERS i, mean he's gonna be a two point, stance you,

629
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 3: know dropping the coverage once in a.

630
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 2: While he might be better off being at that two

631
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 2: hundred and two hundred and eighty five pound power end

632
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 2: over the tight end type of. Guy just saving On

633
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 2: jones FROM lsu is another.

634
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 3: One he was really impressive to me at The Senior,

635
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 3: bowl AND i don't know why he's not getting more conversation. Six,

636
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 3: yeah he plays like an. Edge he is an, edge,

637
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 3: yeah BUT i don't know that he can do that

638
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 3: at the next. Level he's not gonna run around, tackles.

639
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 2: Right you're not Gonna you're not gonna ask him to

640
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,120
Speaker 2: bend the, edge right. Right BUT i mean just those

641
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 2: those kind of guys there to think are getting kind

642
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 2: of overlooked in the process. Here, like is there a

643
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 2: lot of difference between Saving On jones And Vernon broughton

644
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 2: in the grand scheme of.

645
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:34,400
Speaker 3: Things probably. NOT i MEAN i think their style plays different.

646
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,640
Speaker 2: Other than about fifteen. Pounds, yeah, yeah you, know one's

647
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 2: gonna if.

648
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 3: You dedicate yourself to be more brought and like over

649
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 3: the first. Year, yeah you, know could you get there.

650
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 2: In the meantime you're a situational pass rusher.

651
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 3: That you, know you, KNOW i mean there's ability. There.

652
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 3: Yeah it's really An eagles thing, Too like they'll take

653
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 3: the lineman of all shapes and sizes as long as you.

654
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 2: Have great trade the. Traits, yeah, yeah the traits might

655
00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 2: take you a.

656
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 3: WHILE i, mean they took the dude From Houston, christian,

657
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 3: right it was a safety two years, ago you.

658
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 2: Know, yeah so you, know you just have To it

659
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 2: doesn't hurt to look outside the box on some of these.

660
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 2: Guys just because they're listed as this doesn't mean that's.

661
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 3: What particularly at that. POSITION i, mean there's a few

662
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 3: positions where just give me freaky athletes and coach them

663
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 3: up and maybe one out of two, hits but they

664
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 3: hit pretty. Big, yeah you, know they're just crazy long

665
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 3: arms or great get off or something that the key is.

666
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 2: For that in, particular you can't be the six to two.

667
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 2: Guy you can't ask the six with two two hundred

668
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 2: and sixty pound guy to, Suddenly, okay you're gonna put

669
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 2: on forty pounds and, yeah you're gonna have some. Length

670
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 2: you're gonna have what What Aaron smith, Had you have

671
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 2: to have What bretisol.

672
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 3: Had, YEAH i don't want, shorts w, arms and, yeah

673
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 3: especially if you're gonna. Run and, again The steeler scheme

674
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 3: isn't like it used to be where everyone has to

675
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 3: be we're not two gabbing right right, Right but it's

676
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 3: still they want length and they Want Cam hayward looking

677
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 3: dudes to. Dudes those guys in particularly those edge guys

678
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 3: look more Like hayward or stuff on to.

679
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 2: IT i, mean and YOU i think the arm length

680
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 2: is a big part of. It what A camway is

681
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 2: a Draft he was like two ninety. Five BUT i

682
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 2: bet he looks different now than he.

683
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 3: Does oh, yeah, yeah gray or OBVIOUSLY i mean more man's, strength,

684
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 3: thicker you, know just as the way his body's. Composed,

685
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 3: YEAH i bet we'd look at me, like, boy he

686
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 3: looks kind of, skinny you, know compared to the version

687
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 3: we know.

688
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 2: Now, no his shoulders are, bigger, yeah, Yeah, yeah he's

689
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 2: just a much, bigger thicker.

690
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 3: Guy most people don't GET u the opportunity to grow that.

691
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 2: Long and he probably also does not weigh two ninety five,

692
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 2: Anymore probably, not probably.

693
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 3: Not there's a lot of muscle and thickness and you,

694
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 3: know mass on that.

695
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 2: Body, yeah and that's just the natural. PROGRESSION i, mean

696
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 2: remember when when The steelers all a sad way it

697
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 2: just turned twenty, one when The steelers are drafted, now.

698
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 3: When he was, young AND i thought it was you,

699
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 3: know he was kind of a tweener at the time,

700
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 3: too you know that they were more of a three fourteen. Then,

701
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 3: Yeah AND i think that he wasn't for everyone because

702
00:30:58,600 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 3: he wasn't an edge bend.

703
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 2: When that's the that's why he went feller where he.

704
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 2: Did there are more teams looking for that now than

705
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 2: there used to.

706
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 4: Be.

707
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 2: Absolutely at the same, time you, know you can still

708
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 2: find those, guys AND i think.

709
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 3: If your point's a good, one you can maybe manufacture.

710
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 4: One.

711
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 2: YEAH i think arm length is such a big part of.

712
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 3: IT i think it's absolutely. Huge. ABSOLUTELY i, mean if

713
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 3: you can bend and change, direction you got traits including,

714
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 3: length that's a good.

715
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 2: Start, Yeah but the, length to me is one of

716
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 2: the key components because they don't want you can your

717
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 2: nose tackle can have shorter. ARMS i don't think that

718
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 2: your ends in a three four can have short.

719
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 3: Arms, NO i don't. EITHER i don't, Either AND i

720
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 3: don't think they want to be in six to two

721
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 3: or any of that kind of stuff. Too now in

722
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 3: nickel and, dime, sure but you still want the space

723
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 3: eaters and the way that they do their pass rush

724
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 3: and stunts and things like that. TOO a lot of

725
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 3: the length is. Important, yeah how many times you camlock guys,

726
00:31:57,960 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 3: out you, know.

727
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 2: Right length you just howered right boom and it's once

728
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 2: that arms, locked it's, yeah you're not breaking. IT i don't,

729
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 2: care AND i don't care if It's Quinton, nelson it's

730
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 2: he's getting walked back to the quarterback right.

731
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 3: Right and he's obviously the kremdl. Creme but you, KNOW

732
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 3: i think that's exactly what they're.

733
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 2: Looking but you know that's what they when they had

734
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 2: he into.

735
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 4: It it's a real.

736
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 3: Handful, YEAH i, mean Can nolan be one of those? Guys? Maybe? Maybe,

737
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 3: MAYBE i mean one few That i'd say maybe that's

738
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 3: a lofty.

739
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 2: Pray, YEAH i just think those guys are tougher to

740
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 2: find than those tackle. Types as much AS i Love, grant.

741
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 3: That's the only negative because the rest of your draft

742
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 3: doesn't go quite as. Well there's an argument For nolan Over.

743
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 3: GRANT i don't think there's an argument For harmon Over. Grant,

744
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 3: YEAH i have more questions.

745
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 2: About, it ALTHOUGH i wouldn't BE i wouldn't have a

746
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 2: problem with With harmon be me.

747
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 3: Neither he's disruptive and there's a lot to work with.

748
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 2: There, yeah and he's got the thirty five inch.

749
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 3: Arms he's coming into his own. Too he's a much

750
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 3: better player now than he was In Michigan. State, Yeah,

751
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 3: yeah he does of the, length, RIGHT i think it's

752
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 3: lower body could stand and get stronger and. Thicker but it,

753
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 3: will it, Will i'm sure it, will. Right you.

754
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 2: Know he put them on a different weight program and,

755
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 2: okay you gotta build your your base. Strength all this

756
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 2: this is fine up. Here, yeah, yeah we gotta work

757
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 2: on the below. That it's like. Bodybuilders don't forget the.

758
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 2: Legs yeah, yeah muscles up top are all nice and

759
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 2: that's all well and, good but you also flex your

760
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 2: calves and you don't.

761
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 3: Need them to be a true starter every down Player.

762
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 2: No twenty five, right yeah you. Wouldn't, anyways let's get

763
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 2: to a. Break he is The Matt. WILLIAMSON i Am Dale.

764
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 2: Lolly you're listening to The drive here on The Steelers Audio,

765
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 2: Network matt And i'll be back with more right after.

766
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:40,520
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767
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,440
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768
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: black And Gold Steelers Nation.

769
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 2: Radio and we are. Back I'm Dale. Lolli he is

770
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,360
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771
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,120
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772
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,320
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773
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,200
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774
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,080
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775
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,319
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776
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,800
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777
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,960
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778
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,440
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779
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 2: those AND i like to go To, yeah if anybody

780
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 2: has any, Questions i'll answer.

781
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 3: Those probably do another mail bag at some point this week. Too,

782
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 3: right that was a success last. Week people seem to enjoy.

783
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 2: It so, Tomorrow, matt THE nfl will have a, VIDEO i,

784
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 2: guess kind of a thing that you can join in

785
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 2: on to kind of give you a preview of what

786
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 2: The Competition committee is going to talk about at this

787
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 2: year's owners, meetings which kick off On. Sunday we'll be

788
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 2: down there and where just leaked out that one of

789
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 2: the things that they're likely to propose is the tweaks

790
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 2: to the league's kickoff.

791
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 1: Rule.

792
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 3: Good you mentioned this a couple of weeks, ago AND

793
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 3: i hadn't heard a lot of, it BUT i liked

794
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:01,720
Speaker 3: you to say back.

795
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 2: Then, Yeah the, proposal which is expected to be submitted

796
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 2: sometime this, week would spot the ball on touchbacks at

797
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 2: the thirty five rather than the thirty as it was

798
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty.

799
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,919
Speaker 3: Four interesting BECAUSE i remember us talking a lot in training. Camp,

800
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 3: obviously the kickoff rule was a big conversation, then AND

801
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 3: i said it many times and THAT i don't know

802
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 3: if the thirty is a bad enough, penalty and it

803
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 3: ended up kind of being true that.

804
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 2: People are just kicking it out of the end zone

805
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 2: if they, could.

806
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 3: If you, Could, yeah moving out to thirty, five that's

807
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 3: a lot different than the twenty when it used to be.

808
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 2: As good as kickers are in today's, game where if

809
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 2: you get to the other the opposing, forty you're in

810
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:43,399
Speaker 2: field goal, range.

811
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 3: Right right, Right oh, YEAH i think you're going about

812
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 3: The kioff.

813
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 2: Kickers so you, know if you move it out to

814
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 2: the thirty, five you get two first, downs three, points

815
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 2: you're giving them three.

816
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 3: Points league scoring will go. Up.

817
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,959
Speaker 2: Yeah you're going to force teams to kick the ball

818
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 2: into the landing, zone which is what they, want which

819
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 2: is what they, want, yeah, yeah and then you're going

820
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 2: to see more returns which are more, exciting again what they.

821
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 2: Want and you mentioned, TOO i mean things like The

822
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 2: harrison move For Roberts. PIERRE i mean a lot of

823
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 2: the moves is. GORONIC a lot of the moves they've,

824
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 2: made jumping out in front of The, yeah.

825
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 3: A little bit special teams. Oriented and you mentioned, TOO

826
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 3: i think you're right that at the end of the

827
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 3: season they weren't thrilled with kickoff and kickoff. Coverage special

828
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 3: teams were good for the, year, yeah but that they

829
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 3: weren't thrilled with that how the second half of the

830
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 3: season win or, so so get ahead of, It, yeah

831
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 3: try to be more important.

832
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 2: Now, yeah and you would think That Mike tomlin might

833
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 2: know a little bit more about what the exact proposal

834
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 2: is going to be being part of the competition, committee.

835
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 3: Especially more than the rookie head. Coach it's never done

836
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 3: it before and that type of, thing, right.

837
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 2: Or they don't have A gm that sits on, it you,

838
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 2: know because, yeah there's only so many people that sit

839
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 2: on the Competition.

840
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 3: Committee i'm sure they chat throughout the. YEAR i would.

841
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 2: Think. So the return rate last year was thirty two

842
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 2: point eight. Percent bet that's about one out of every three.

843
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 2: Kicks it was up from the twenty one point eight

844
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 2: percent the previous, year so big, spike so that they

845
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 2: did get more. Returns BUT i think they want even

846
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 2: more than. THAT i think they'd like to get up

847
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 2: over forty.

848
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 3: UNREASONABLE i bet. NOT i MEAN i don't want to kick.

849
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 3: It i'm not giving it to you at the thirty. Five,

850
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 3: YEAH i can help, it like maybe some instances if

851
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 3: you're a big.

852
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 2: Lead but the concussion rate on kickoffs last year dropped

853
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,720
Speaker 2: forty three. Percent. YEAH i knew that because you didn't

854
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 2: have the high speed, collisions SINCE.

855
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 3: I thought that part was. Great, YEAH i do miss

856
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 3: the surprise on, side BUT i think that's just going

857
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 3: to go the way With. DODO i mean that's. Gone ye,

858
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 3: yeah such a.

859
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 2: Life, YEAH i don't. Know there's just no way to do.

860
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 3: It, yeah, yeah, yeah you're they're a line.

861
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 2: Different, yeah unless you can kick the ball off of

862
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 2: somebody up, front you, know if your, kicker if your

863
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 2: kicker is good enough to squib it to well you Have,

864
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 2: yeah you have to blast it into one of the up.

865
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 2: Guys but it also still has to hit.

866
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 3: Inside but it wouldn't Right AND i don't know how

867
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 3: to do. IT i just missed that part of. It,

868
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 3: yeah you, know but and they ONLY i could see

869
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 3: them changing the rule on that that it doesn't have

870
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 3: to be the fourth, Quarter like The chiefs in The

871
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 3: Super bowl would have liked to have done it in the.

872
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 2: Third, yeah they scored right at the end of the third,

873
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 2: quarter and you would have liked to have had the option.

874
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 3: At least had the. Option but the return of the

875
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 3: recovery rate's so.

876
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 2: Bad but there's no. Surprise there's no, surprise, RIGHT i

877
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 2: don't have a problem with. That, like you should be

878
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 2: able to do an on side kick anytime you.

879
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 3: Want that's there's a lot of times in history you're

880
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 3: A Super bowl where it doesn't, happen.

881
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 2: But you can't do it the you can't do a

882
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 2: surprise on. Side but IF i want to in that,

883
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 2: situation If i'm The, chiefs.

884
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, yeah it shouldn't just be fourth THAT.

885
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 4: I want to.

886
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 2: Do AND i want to do an on side. Kick you,

887
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 2: Know let's Say i'm down twenty eight points at the, Half,

888
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 2: yeah and we, score we have the opening, kickoff we,

889
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 2: score AND i want to go on side in the third.

890
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 2: QUARTER i should have the option of Doing.

891
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 3: You should be able to do in the opening. Kickoff

892
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 3: you feel like it absolutely, Smart BUT i, mean if

893
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 3: that's an approach you. Great, YEAH i just which the

894
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 3: recovery rate was.

895
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 2: Better, ideally your players should be. Smarter the surprise on

896
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 2: side kick only works if the opposing team leave to her,

897
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 2: yeah half fasting their what they're.

898
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 3: They're not doing their assignment, Right you, shouldn't but they

899
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 3: wouldn't have their hands team out, there. RIGHT i, mean

900
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 3: it's different with a bunch of receivers and you know

901
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 3: you have some tight ends in linement or whatever you're

902
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 3: trying to recover these.

903
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 2: Things but if you've got, to if you've got a

904
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 2: guy who's really good at popping the ball up in

905
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 2: the air or can do some different things with, it

906
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 2: IF i want to go onside, KICK i should be

907
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 2: able to go on side kick anytime during a.

908
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 3: GAME i agree with. THAT i agree with. THAT i

909
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,879
Speaker 3: do miss the the surprise of it where you don't

910
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 3: have to announce it to the. Planet but it should

911
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 3: not just be a fourth quarter. THING i bet that gets.

912
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 3: CHANGED i don't know if they'll have that discussion or,

913
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 3: not But.

914
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 2: I'm sure that was part of the discussion.

915
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 3: Year one for that new kickoff. RULE i bet they

916
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:39,240
Speaker 3: want to tweak.

917
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:39,919
Speaker 2: It they want to tweak.

918
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 3: It i'm.

919
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 2: Sure if you know if we sat down With Danny,

920
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 2: Smith i'm sure he'd be, like, yeah he probably has

921
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 2: a bunch of ideas of how he would change. It

922
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 2: and it was all new least. YEAR i remember talking

923
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 2: To danny in training camp and just explain, Anybody, now

924
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 2: nobody knew what it was going to look.

925
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 3: Like, RIGHT i, mean he understood the, rule but he

926
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 3: didn't know exactly what to, expect.

927
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 2: And you didn't know what how other teams are going

928
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 2: to attempt. It, like he knew what his plan was

929
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 2: going to, be but you didn't know.

930
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:05,760
Speaker 3: What their, strategy what the strategy.

931
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 2: Might, be or what some, teams you, know who are

932
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 2: they going to put out? There we didn't even know

933
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 2: that at that.

934
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 3: POINT i MEAN i Remember Killer. BREW i think it was,

935
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:12,800
Speaker 3: saying this is this is kind of like a giant

936
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 3: outside zone run, play you, Know And i'm a safety

937
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 3: And i've seen. That, yeah not to mention.

938
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 2: Always but who else are you putting out there with?

939
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 3: That?

940
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 2: Yeah some teams, used you, know an offensive defensive lineman

941
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 2: in the. Middle there were a lot of tight ends

942
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 2: out there in the, middle, yeah and then a lot

943
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 2: of smaller, guys you.

944
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 3: KNOW i think the better idea of the type of

945
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 3: personnel they. Want, yeah maybe More pierre's and.

946
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,800
Speaker 2: Scronics now you have an entire offseason to have studied

947
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:39,879
Speaker 2: this and come up with some even more ideas about.

948
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 3: This and IF i would bet that the touch back

949
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 3: to the thirty five rule passes just a, HUNCH i have, Noid,

950
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,359
Speaker 3: yeah BUT i bet it. Does and therefore we better

951
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 3: be prepared on our kickoff team to have the right

952
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 3: eleven or ten and a kicker out. THERE i don't

953
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:54,919
Speaker 3: MAYBE i don't want a d lineman LIKE i THOUGHT

954
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 3: i did because he can't chase anybody down or whatever it.

955
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 3: IS i don't.

956
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 2: Know, yeah a lot of, it it's a in terms of,

957
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 2: THAT a lot of that was matching the personnel that

958
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 2: the other team had out. There if they've got a

959
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 2: three hundred pounder out, THERE i don't want my two

960
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 2: hundred pound cornerback trying to run.

961
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 3: Through that strong safety in the running back or. Whatever,

962
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 3: Right so everyone better of a returner. Too. YEAH i

963
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:23,240
Speaker 3: wonder if that's part of the Reason patterson's still available

964
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 3: at the.

965
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,919
Speaker 2: Moment, well they don't have a third running back at this, point,

966
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 2: right so he's technically That, yeah, yeah you, know and

967
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 2: if that changes then that could. Change so we'll see what.

968
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 2: HAPPENS i mean, again The steelers typically don't make a

969
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 2: move with something like that until they have, to no,

970
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 2: doubt no. Doubt so who. Knows but that's that's. Interesting

971
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 2: James daniels talked to THE i guess he talked to

972
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 2: reporters In miami today and they asked him if he's

973
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 2: going to play right guard or left, guard and he,

974
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 2: SAYS i don't know. Yet they're still trying to figure that. Out,

975
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 2: honestly they could use they need to clone, him and,

976
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 2: yeah he could play both guard spots because they don't

977
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 2: HAVE i don't.

978
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 3: REMEMBER i know The bears he played a fair amount of,

979
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 3: center and same With, iowa BUT i can't remember if

980
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 3: he's played a whole lot of left in his career or.

981
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:17,800
Speaker 2: Not, yeah so we'll, see.

982
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 3: You.

983
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 2: Know in terms of other news around the, league not

984
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 2: much going on right. Now it's it's a slow time

985
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 2: UNTIL i don't.

986
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 3: Know if you saw a woozya got picked up that, yeah.

987
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 2: And he was a guy that got cut last. Week, yeah,

988
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 2: yeah you know this was you, know he got into

989
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 2: free agency and they cut a woozy a. Loose there

990
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,439
Speaker 2: will be more guys like that getting cut.

991
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 3: Loose, yeah SO i did a podcast today AND i

992
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 3: sent it to. You but The steelers are really low

993
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 3: with their draft capital right. Now, yeah they don't have

994
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 3: a second round. Pick they're a playoff, team they're not

995
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 3: picking early in the. Rounds but they still do have

996
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 3: a lot of ability to add to their team with

997
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 3: moves like that because they have a lot of clap cap.

998
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 3: Flexibility even if a chunk Goes Darreon rodgers and they're

999
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 3: gonna have, time they're gonna time in cap space that

1000
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 3: they can get the guy that's gonna get cut or

1001
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 3: WHATEVER i. Mean AND i Know Alan robinson didn't work,

1002
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 3: out but there's a lot of those deals that do

1003
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 3: you know that you can pick up that's not a great,

1004
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 3: contract but you get a decent player for seventh round

1005
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 3: pick or a pick selop.

1006
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 2: Or you, know or he gets cut and you just

1007
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 2: sign him and just grab.

1008
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 3: Him Joe hayden's the best. Example, Ever, like no one

1009
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,359
Speaker 3: saw that, coming, Right not every team could have done

1010
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 3: it at that, point that late in the. Process.

1011
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 2: Right so we'll see if there's more of that kind

1012
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 2: of stuff. Happening especially, again we went over that defensive tackle.

1013
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 2: Draft there's gonna be a bunch of those guys. Drafted,

1014
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 2: yeah you, know and if you end up getting two

1015
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 2: of them and you, go, well we ended up with

1016
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 2: you're another. Team you drafted two of these guys and

1017
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 2: you didn't expect to have two of these, guys and

1018
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 2: some teams only carry four three hundred. Pounders, yeah, yeah,

1019
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 2: yeah well we got we got five now and one of.

1020
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 3: Them is making five million and one of them making one.

1021
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 3: Million so we're gonna get rid of the five million.

1022
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:00,479
Speaker 2: Guy, yeah or you need to get the young guys

1023
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:02,879
Speaker 2: as much practice time as, Possible so let's get rid

1024
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 2: of this.

1025
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 3: Guy. Yeah maybe it happens all the, time and not

1026
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 3: a lot of job security unless you're the top, guys

1027
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 3: a lot of move.

1028
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 2: In, yeah, Absolutely But, matt that's going to do it

1029
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 2: for our show. Today so for my Partner Matt, williamson

1030
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 2: For Justin miller here on site making sure our sound

1031
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 2: sounds okay out there and running The Justin miller, hotline

1032
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:26,399
Speaker 2: which we'll fire up. Tomorrow and For Tyler viittmeyer making

1033
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 2: sure the video gets out there on the. YouTube make

1034
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 2: sure you check that out and also give us a

1035
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 2: thumbs up on. There I'm Dale. Allie we thank you

1036
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:35,759
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1037
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:37,720
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