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Speaker 5: Welcome to Counterpoints. You've probably already noticed that Ryan Grimm

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Speaker 5: I'm really looking forward to having conversations with you on

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Speaker 5: some of these incredibly difficult topics that continue to dominate

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Speaker 1: It is not an understatement to say this is perhaps

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Speaker 1: one of the most consequential moments in recent memory, both

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Speaker 1: in terms of American politics and global politics. Really on

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Speaker 1: the edge of a very precarious, dangerous, and horrible situation.

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Speaker 4: Honestly, so, I'm not even going to preview the whole show.

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Speaker 1: I can normally do I'm just going to jump in

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Speaker 1: because we have President Biden on the ground in Israel

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Speaker 1: this morning, arriving just after a horrific Palestinians would say

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Speaker 1: attack from Israel. Israel would say it's the Palestinian's fault

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Speaker 4: I'm going to get into.

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Speaker 1: All of this that has left a mass of human

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Speaker 1: carnage and devastation in Gaza. I'm going to take you

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Speaker 1: through what both sides are saying, what I think about it,

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Speaker 1: wanted to start with what President Biden is saying on

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Speaker 1: the ground, expressing belief in Israel's side of affairs for

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Speaker 1: what happened with this hospital.

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Speaker 6: Let's take a listen, deeply said in an outrage by

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Speaker 6: the explosion as a hospital in Kazi yesterday, and based

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Speaker 6: on what I've seen, it appears as though it was

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Speaker 6: done by the team, not you. But there's a lot

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Speaker 6: of people out there not sure. So we've got a

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Speaker 1: This explosion has already upended President Biden's trip, leading to

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Speaker 1: canceled meetings. I'll get to that in a moment, but first,

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Speaker 1: the specifics of what happened at that hospital as best

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Speaker 1: Certainly Hamas and Islamic Jihad also have a track record

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Speaker 1: of lying. Journalists are not able to get into Gaza

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Speaker 1: take all of that into account as you're analyzing what

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Speaker 4: So, first of all, what we do know. A massive blast.

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Speaker 1: Rocked a hospital, actually a Christian hospital in Gaza City.

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Speaker 1: It was packed with wounded, those who have been wounded

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Speaker 1: are seeing images of a massive civilian to the Gaza

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Speaker 1: Health Ministry says hundreds of individuals. You know, the exact

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Speaker 1: Strings so the images they're quite stunning, and the videos

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Speaker 8: We should also say that the Israeli military at this

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Speaker 8: That this was a Palestinian Islamic Jahad rocket. They are

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Speaker 8: not what you normally associate with Palestinian rockets. These rockets

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Speaker 1: So he's referring there to the fact that the rockets,

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Speaker 1: actually from remnants of Israeli rockets missiles. They do damage,

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Speaker 1: they killed, but they don't typically have carnage in the

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Speaker 4: You have had protests in.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, no matter what it looks like, the

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Speaker 5: American media is saying likely hundreds were killed. It's impossible

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Speaker 5: the carnage, you can see the children, you can see

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Speaker 5: the United States and Israel are encouraging people to leave Gaza,

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Speaker 5: and when people are congregating at a hospital thinking that

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Speaker 5: you know, it's a hospital less likely to be hit,

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Speaker 5: kind of interesting point here. Israel maintains that Hamas stores

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Speaker 5: Though we don't bomb hospitals, we have a bombed hospitals,

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Speaker 3: As to what happened.

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Speaker 5: So my big takeaway right now, Crystal, is basically that

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Speaker 1: Well, the problem is there no are no safe areas,

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Speaker 1: you know, even after Israel told more than a million

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Speaker 1: is a virtual impossibility. I mean many and many people

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Speaker 1: like southern Gaza has been safe. It has also been bombed.

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Speaker 1: People have also been dying there. They just hit rough

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Speaker 4: And they may say, oh.

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Speaker 1: We don't target hospitals, but putting this hospital.

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Speaker 4: Aside, we know in the past they.

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Speaker 1: you know, exactly the nightmare scenario of even if and

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Speaker 1: this is a big gift, by the way, even if

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Speaker 1: the US, Israel, aroan Hezbola don't really want a broader war,

440
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Speaker 1: you could still end up in a broader war.

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Speaker 4: And we are already moving along that chain.

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Speaker 1: Of US scalation, where with this hospital air strike and

443
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Speaker 1: the images of the women and babies that were killed there,

444
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Speaker 1: the human carminate carnage, you already have this massive swell

445
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Speaker 1: of just sheer anger and outrage across the region. And

446
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Speaker 1: that's what undercut and forced the cancelation of Biden's summit

447
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Speaker 1: with four different Arab leaders that was supposed to happen

448
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Speaker 1: in Jordan, including Mahmudabas of the Palestinian authority. So those

449
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Speaker 1: attempts at diplomacy whatever, you know, however half baked or

450
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Speaker 1: unlikely to succeed they were, Those are debt. You have

451
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Speaker 1: Hesbula worried about, you know, their credibility, and they see.

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Speaker 4: This also as an existential fight.

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Speaker 1: So far, it seems like they've calculated that they can

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Speaker 1: do just enough to show their solidarity with the Palestinians

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Speaker 1: without igniting this broader conflict. They're going to be under

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Speaker 1: a lot of pressure to do a lot more, and

457
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Speaker 1: they're going to be motivated to do a lot more.

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Speaker 1: How does Israel respond to that? Now we have these

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Speaker 1: reports that the White House has been actively discussing the

460
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Speaker 1: possibility of using military force if Hesbela does get involved

461
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Speaker 1: and open up this second front in the war. And

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Speaker 1: I want everybody to understand what you were saying there, Emily.

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Speaker 1: It's important to underscore this. They're not going to go

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Speaker 1: to the American people and ask us if we want

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Speaker 1: to get involved in a broader war. They're already laying

466
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Speaker 1: out their legal justification for how they could put us

467
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Speaker 1: in this war without ever taking it to the United

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Speaker 1: States Congress, let alone the American people.

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Speaker 3: It's in the Access report.

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Speaker 4: That's exactly right. They's how much of an edge we

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Speaker 4: are on right now?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they say this is from the expert accesses quoting.

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Speaker 5: If Biden were to make that decision, he'd need to

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Speaker 5: notify Congress within forty eight hours under the War Power

475
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Speaker 5: Resolutions Act of nineteen seventy three, that would give Biden

476
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Speaker 5: sixty days to act before Congress has approval. These military

477
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Speaker 5: force would be required. And that's if they go that route.

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Speaker 5: We've seen them not go that route before and essentially

479
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Speaker 5: never authorize these types of conflicts. But again, you under

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Speaker 5: the War Powers Resolution of nineteen seventy three, he can

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Speaker 5: get involved in a conflict that would have years long implications, ramifications,

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Speaker 5: and the fact that this isn't outrageous in the Axios report,

483
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Speaker 5: that it isn't something that is treated like it's outrageous.

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Speaker 5: And the Axious report tells you exactly where we are

485
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Speaker 5: as a country that's just sort of casual that he

486
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Speaker 5: can take this to Congress within sixty days of getting

487
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Speaker 5: involved in the conflict and then it'll all be fine,

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Speaker 5: It'll be constitutional because to your point, Crystal, he could

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Speaker 5: get us involved in this and in fact, the signs

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Speaker 5: are let's put the next element up in the on

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Speaker 5: the screen and no breaking points covered this. Yesterday, the

492
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Speaker 5: Pentagon has ordered two thousand more US troops to be

493
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Speaker 5: ready to deploy to the Middle East. If deployed, they

494
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Speaker 5: would likely not serve in combat roles, but would provide

495
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Speaker 5: advice and medical support to Israeli forces. Official set and

496
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Speaker 5: this news got overshadowed yesterday in the wake of the

497
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Speaker 5: hospital strike. We can put this up. This is the

498
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Speaker 5: next element before This is a press release from Scentcom.

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Speaker 5: Centcom Commander arrives in Israel. General Michael Eric Carilla, Commander

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Speaker 5: US Central Command, has arrived in Tel Aviv, Israel, to

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Speaker 5: conduct high level meetings with Israel's military leadership, including their

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Speaker 5: Chief of Defense to gain a clear understanding of Israel's

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Speaker 5: defense requirements. Now, again this is worth remembering. The Access

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Speaker 5: story did point this out to there are thousands of

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Speaker 5: American citizens that live in Israel. We do have strategic

506
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Speaker 5: interests in Israel. All of that is true. There are

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Speaker 5: American lives to protect. There are humanitarian reasons to care

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Speaker 5: about what's happening, both in Israel in the wake of

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Speaker 5: Hamasa's brutal attack and in Gaza as people try to

510
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Speaker 5: evacuate or try to decipher what they should do based

511
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Speaker 5: on what Hamas is telling them to do. Absolutely, thousands

512
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Speaker 5: of American lives on the line. You want to deter

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Speaker 5: people from taking action. So that's where you have Lincoln's

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Speaker 5: kind of laughable quote where the US, he said, the

515
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Speaker 5: US is not fooling around by putting troops and warships

516
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Speaker 5: and stuff in the region or resources in the region.

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Speaker 5: So the tough talk has a strategic purpose, of course,

518
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Speaker 5: but there's obviously also the risk that the tough talk

519
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Speaker 5: amplifies tensions artificially in order to sound tough, and then

520
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Speaker 5: you have to put your money where your mouth is

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Speaker 5: in a way that ultimately is not a strategic benefit

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Speaker 5: or something that's constitutional or something that the country wants

523
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Speaker 5: at all, and pulling crystal shows most Americans have no

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Speaker 5: interest in a military conflict over Palestine at this moment.

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Speaker 4: There's so much to say here.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the original intent I believe of Biden's trip

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Speaker 1: to the region, which occurred before the course of this

528
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Speaker 1: hospital air strike, was to try to act as a deterrent,

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Speaker 1: try to talk to the parties involved, try to dissuade.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is what behind the scenes, the White

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Speaker 1: House is telling reporters at all kinds of news outlets

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Speaker 1: that they're trying to dissuade any of the other actors

533
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Speaker 1: in the region, be It Hesbla, be It Iran, not

534
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Speaker 1: to up the tensions. So the idea by sending these

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Speaker 1: two carriers strike groups, and by Biden b Lincoln being

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Speaker 1: in the region, Biden traveling to the region, was to

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Speaker 1: try to have a deterrent effect on these other actors. Now,

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Speaker 1: with the context of this hospital bombing, Biden's trip actively

539
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Speaker 1: exacerbates and in a way of course, fuel on the

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Speaker 1: fire of the rage that we already see overflowing in

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Speaker 1: this region. And that's why, you know, it's so consequential

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Speaker 1: that this meeting that he had planned in Jordan was

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Speaker 1: was canceled after the other leaders.

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Speaker 4: We can't be part of this.

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Speaker 1: Now, there's no way we can talk to you about

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Speaker 1: any potential diplomacy.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 1: The other thing that I really think it's important for

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Speaker 1: people to bear in minds here in terms of interpreting

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Speaker 1: Netnyahu's action in the context in which he's making speeches

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Speaker 1: saying access of evil, god forsaken term, you know, comparing

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Speaker 1: to Nazis, comparing to Isis, comparing to nine to eleven,

553
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Speaker 1: saying this is a civilizational struggle. Is he is fighting

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Speaker 1: for his political life. The majority of Israeli's want him gone.

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Speaker 1: They say, after the war is over, we want you out.

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Speaker 1: He was already an extraordinary, controversial, divisive figure amongst the

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Speaker 1: Israeli public before the dramatic intelligence and military failures that

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Speaker 1: you contributed to the massive horrific death toll of Israeli

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Speaker 1: civilians in this Hamas attack. You have some ninety plus

560
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Speaker 1: percent who blame him in part for those failures. So

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Speaker 1: he is very committed to holding on to power in

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Speaker 1: whatever way he possibly can. So this sort of extremely

563
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Speaker 1: belicose rhetoric, I believe he's hoping will trigger this sort

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Speaker 1: of rally around the flag effect so that he can

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Speaker 1: hold on to power.

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Speaker 4: So it adds a level.

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Speaker 1: Of additional danger to the situation that you have a

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Speaker 1: politician here desperate to hold on to power, who was

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Speaker 1: making these decisions and upping the ante with both his

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Speaker 1: rhetoric and with his actions. And you have another thing

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Speaker 1: I don't want to lose sight off here, and then

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Speaker 1: we can move on to what I think we always

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Speaker 1: have to keep at the forefront, which is the human beings,

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Speaker 1: the innocent human beings who are caught up in the

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Speaker 1: horror of this conflict.

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Speaker 4: But the other thing to keep.

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Speaker 1: In mind here is that net Yahoo and Israeli government

578
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Speaker 1: have admitted they have no plan for the day after.

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Speaker 1: Like going in and bombing the hell out of Gaza

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Speaker 1: is easy for the Israeli military. It's no problem. They

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Speaker 1: can do that all day long, you know, with our

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Speaker 1: support and our weaponry and all that they've invested and

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Speaker 1: all the reservists that they've called up.

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Speaker 4: That is no problem.

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Speaker 1: Once you've taken out Hamas, which is both you know,

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Speaker 1: military and political leadership, what then, who runs Gaza? Are

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Speaker 1: you going to reoccupy who's going to fill that vacuum,

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Speaker 1: and they have acknowledged emily that they have no plan

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Speaker 1: for that. I mean, it is very like reminiscent of

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Speaker 1: Iraq and how we went in with you know, guns

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Speaker 1: blazing and mission accomplished.

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Speaker 4: Hey, that was the easy part.

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Speaker 1: What comes next, of course, I mean we never should

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Speaker 1: have been there in the first place. That goes without saying,

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Speaker 1: but that's one of the things that the Biden administration

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Speaker 1: has been questioning. You know, you mentioned that Biden was saying,

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Speaker 1: We're going to ask some tough questions as a friend,

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Speaker 1: but they're also unwilling to use any points of real

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Speaker 1: like leverage to try to, you know, get at some

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Speaker 1: sort of a plan for what this is going to

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Speaker 1: look like and what comes next. And that just adds

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Speaker 1: to the overall chaos, volatility, and danger of the situation.

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Speaker 5: And the sad thing is that they're not wrong that

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Speaker 5: there are these coalescing forces of let's say, extremism in

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Speaker 5: the region that do believe, in some cases in terrorism

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Speaker 5: as sort of a righteous way to clap back at

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Speaker 5: Western imperialism, western colonialism, which has been very real in

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Speaker 5: their region for a long time. And so it's not

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Speaker 5: that it's entirely untrue that they are these coalescing forces

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Speaker 5: that wish America, that wish the West harm.

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Speaker 3: But when you talk.

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Speaker 5: Like that and have absolutely no plan for what steps

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Speaker 5: into the power vacuum, I mean, just now we're talking

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Speaker 5: about a hospital strike that potentially was committed by Palestinian

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Speaker 5: Islamic jihad is one of the potential actors implicated in

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Speaker 5: the strike. Hamas is not the only group, and that's

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Speaker 5: why Israel obviously in some cases was funneling resources to

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Speaker 5: Hamas over the years because they thought it was a

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Speaker 5: better alternative if we empower Hamas kind of covertly. We've

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Speaker 5: seen the West make that mistake time and time and again,

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Speaker 5: not just Israel. Yeah, but if we empower this one group,

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Speaker 5: it'll help, you know, stabilize things, et cetera, et cetera,

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Speaker 5: And you end up just creating a Frankenstein monster. And

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Speaker 5: so when you have no plan as to what happens

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Speaker 5: when there's a part There's a story on Al Jazeer's

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Speaker 5: homepage this morning asking if Gaza is Israel stalin grod

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Speaker 5: But it's you know, you can look at Aleppo, you

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Speaker 5: can look at Palujah. What happens in those power vacuums.

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Speaker 5: When people are engaged in urban warfare in basically blast

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Speaker 5: zones that have just been you know, taken off the

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Speaker 5: face of the earth, but people are hiding in different places.

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Speaker 5: These are recipes for even more extremism to fester. And

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Speaker 5: so I would, you know, be very curious to hear

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Speaker 5: what the plan is, but obviously we know that there

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Speaker 5: really isn't one at the moment.

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Speaker 3: Let's move on Crystal too.

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Speaker 5: As you said, the hostage situation, the human cost of

638
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Speaker 5: this conflict that should always be kept at the forefront

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Speaker 5: of this. The hostages are also sadly very much a

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Speaker 5: political question because they're at the center of the conflict

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Speaker 5: over you know, when humanitary and aid is going to

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Speaker 5: be applied. There at the center of the conversation between

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Speaker 5: the US and Israel about whether Israel should you know,

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Speaker 5: lift some parts of the blockade, should allow Gosins Palestinians

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Speaker 5: to have certain things water, all of that. It is

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Speaker 5: just another horrific part of this that again feels like

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Speaker 5: it gets worse by the hour, by the day.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 1: And as you said, Emily, you know, these are innocent

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Speaker 1: human beings who are now being used as pawns. Hamas

651
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Speaker 1: intentionally took them to use them as human sacrificial bargaining chips.

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Speaker 4: It's horrific. They should be released immediately.

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Speaker 1: Richard engel Over at MSNBC spoke with someone from Hamas

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Speaker 1: and they indicated that they will only release these hostages

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Speaker 1: if Israel stops the bombing.

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Speaker 4: Let's take a listen to what he had to say.

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Speaker 10: So I spoke to a short while ago a senior

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Speaker 10: Hamas official inside Gods, and I asked for claireification. I said,

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Speaker 10: are you still willing to release foreign hostages and what

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Speaker 10: do you mean that you would do it if the

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Speaker 10: field conditions are right? And he said that not only

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Speaker 10: are they willing to release all foreign host foreign hostages

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Speaker 10: meaning even Israelis who have second passports, but also all

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Speaker 10: Israeli civilians if the bombing stop. That's what they mean,

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Speaker 10: if the bombing stop. He said that all of the

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Speaker 10: civilian hostages, Israeli and foreigner could be released. He said

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Speaker 10: in one hour that it would be easy. I pressed

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Speaker 10: him out and I said, well, why don't you just

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Speaker 10: release them now? If you want to release these hostages,

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Speaker 10: just take them to the border of Gaza and let

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Speaker 10: them go, take them to a safe place, put them

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Speaker 10: in a car, and let them go. He said it

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Speaker 10: was impossible. He said it was impossible because Israel is

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Speaker 10: bombing everywhere that there is no safe place.

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Speaker 4: So there you go. So that's the Hama's line.

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Speaker 1: I keep in mind this was before the hospital bombing,

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Speaker 1: so you know the Hudos, how that has impacted their

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Speaker 1: comments or what they would say at this point on

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Speaker 1: the Israeli side, we can put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: They're saying they will only they're also using these hostages

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Speaker 1: in a sense.

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Speaker 4: They said they.

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Speaker 1: Will only allow humanitarian aid in uh to benefit, you know,

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Speaker 1: innocent civilians in Gaza if the hostages are released. So

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Speaker 1: they're holding humanitarian aid hostage until these hostages are released.

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Speaker 1: So you know, there these are innocent people who were

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Speaker 1: taken by Hamas, who are not being used as these

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Speaker 1: political pawns. It's an incredibly obviously horrific emotional fraud issue,

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Speaker 1: not only for the families of the hostages, some of

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Speaker 1: whom are American by the way, but also for Israeli

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Speaker 1: society overall. It has emerged as a real dividing line

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Speaker 1: in terms of Israelis and the.

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Speaker 4: Approach that they're seeking.

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Speaker 1: I'll also say, Emily, there was a comment from perhaps

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Speaker 1: the most extreme member of Netanyahu's cabinet, which is the

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Speaker 1: most extreme government and Israeli history, the National Security Minister

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Speaker 1: Itamar Ben Gavier wrote on social media after the hospital

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Speaker 1: bowling that hundreds of tons of explosives should enter the

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Speaker 1: region instead of aid to the besieged. Gaza's trip, as

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Speaker 1: long as there are no Israeli captives left in the

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Speaker 1: hands of Palestinian groups.

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Speaker 4: So that's where we are.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I was glad you mentioned that because I was

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Speaker 5: going to mention that too, And I think that's probably

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Speaker 5: something that Joe Biden part of the reason that the

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Speaker 5: United States, let's put the political reasons aside, part of

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Speaker 5: the reason the United States wanted a presence there, And

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Speaker 5: you know, I continue to think it's kind of a

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Speaker 5: strange decision for him to actually take the trip. But

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Speaker 5: I still think part of those conversations is about the

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Speaker 5: Ben Gavier position, because the United States knows it is

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Speaker 5: not a tenable position for the US. Again, we mentioned

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Speaker 5: this earlier in the show. They give about twenty twenty

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Speaker 5: percent of the aid from Americans military aid from Americans

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Speaker 5: ends up that's about twenty percent of the Israeli military

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Speaker 5: budget every single year, so they know it's not a

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Speaker 5: tenable position for them to support Israel while humanitarian aid

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Speaker 5: is being basically left out. I mean, this is another

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Speaker 5: entirely horrific scene unfolding in Egypt at the Rafa crossing,

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Speaker 5: where you have humanitarian aid that is actually piling up

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Speaker 5: on the other side of the crossing, gosins that need

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Speaker 5: the humanitarian aid, and just there has not been a

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Speaker 5: solution to finding a way to get a to b

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Speaker 5: whether gosins come across into Egypt, whether the Humanian humanitarian

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Speaker 5: aid is brought into Egypt. You have the Bengavir people

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Speaker 5: who say the only thing that should be coming through

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Speaker 5: is military resources, no humanitarian aid until the hostages are released.

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Speaker 5: That is, in some ways the saddest part is that

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Speaker 5: for so many people, the help is right there, but

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Speaker 5: we have not worked out a diplomatic solution for the

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Speaker 5: help to get to them. And so I think, yeah,

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Speaker 5: part of the reason Biden is in the area right now,

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Speaker 5: and that Blink who was made to wait like eight

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Speaker 5: hours by MBS for a meeting the other day, Biden's

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Speaker 5: meeting with.

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Speaker 3: Jordan, as we mentioned, was canceled. Not going well.

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Speaker 5: This diplomacy is not going well for the United States.

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Speaker 5: The sort of in person push for diplomacy not going well.

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Speaker 5: But part of the reason that they're doing it is

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Speaker 5: certainly because that question of humanitarian aid and hostage timing

741
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Speaker 5: is absolutely crucial to getting support for Israel for the

742
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Speaker 5: United States on the world stage, continuing to convince people

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Speaker 5: that's sort of the righteous cause as the weeks go on.

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Speaker 5: You know, you had unity in the wake of Hamas's barbaric,

745
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Speaker 5: horrific attack. Maintaining international unity in the weeks after when

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Speaker 5: you're actually engaged in a war is more difficult. And

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Speaker 5: I think the hostages are the negotiations over the hostages

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Speaker 5: have become one of the most important, sadly pawns in

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Speaker 5: their negotiating right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's humiliating for the US too. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we've had Jake Sullivan and Biden talking about, oh, we

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Speaker 1: want to get this aid in and we're working on

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Speaker 1: a solution. They even told American citizens that they would

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Speaker 1: be able to have safe crossing into Egypt. They showed

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Speaker 1: up at this border. The border is still closed. In fact,

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Speaker 1: the border is still being bombed by Israel as of

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Speaker 1: I believe yesterday or two days ago. So, you know,

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Speaker 1: for the Biden administration, the United States government supposedly this

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Speaker 1: powerful actor to put on these promises of like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're going to work this down, and it's already been

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Speaker 1: worked down. You can show up at the border and

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Speaker 1: then have absolutely nothing happened. It just shows our sort

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Speaker 1: of complete impotence in the situation, which I don't think is.

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Speaker 1: You know, if we were willing to actually use the

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Speaker 1: incredible leverage we have in the situation, we wouldn't be

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Speaker 1: so impotent, but we're not willing to. And Soccer and

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Speaker 1: I have talked about how it's very reminiscent of how

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Speaker 1: in Ukraine we also have adopted thisly impotent posture where

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Speaker 1: it's like, well, we don't really want Zelenski using weapons

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Speaker 1: in Russia, but we're not really going to do anything

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Speaker 1: about it either.

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Speaker 4: What are you going to do?

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Speaker 1: It's a very similar dynamic here. If they actually wanted

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Speaker 1: to get humanitarian aid in believe me, they have a

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Speaker 1: lot of leverage in the situation and they could make

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Speaker 1: it happen. But it has clearly not been the top priority.

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Speaker 1: And just to remind people like Palestinians are not al Hamas.

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Speaker 1: Almost a majority of people in Gaza, Palestinians and Gaza

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Speaker 1: are children. You have hundreds of American citizens who are

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Speaker 1: trapped in Gaza right now, which obviously should be a

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Speaker 1: priority for an American president, so they are running out

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Speaker 1: in addition to the incredible bombing campaign and the horrors

783
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Speaker 1: of that very limited food, water.

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Speaker 4: No electricity.

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Speaker 1: It is a true humanitarian catastrophe that we are witnessing

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Speaker 1: right now with seemingly no end in sight. Emily, I

787
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Speaker 1: think that's maybe a good segue into because there's not

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Speaker 1: just international news here. We also have like signs of

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Speaker 1: complete failure in chaos here at home, as the House

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Speaker 1: continues to go without any sort of speaker, at no

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Speaker 1: real end in sight for that situation either.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and you're gonna want to stick around for this

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Speaker 5: full block because Crystal towards the end of it has

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Speaker 5: added some comic relief that I think is desperately needed

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Speaker 5: right now as House Republicans and their conference are flailing

796
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Speaker 5: to replace Kevin McCarthy who was ousted about two weeks

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Speaker 5: ago now yesterday, we can put the first element up

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Speaker 5: on the screen here, Jim Jordan, chairman of the House

799
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Speaker 5: Judiciary Committee, failed to be elected speaker on the first ballot. Now,

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Speaker 5: this was among jordan allies and my own sources expected.

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Speaker 5: They did not expect him to succeed on the first ballot. Now,

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Speaker 5: this is c SPAN reminding you, if you can't see it,

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Speaker 5: if you're listening, that you need two hundred and seventeen

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Speaker 5: votes to win the gabble. So there's been conversations about

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Speaker 5: Republicans striking a deal with Hakim Jeffreys and sort of

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Speaker 5: centrist Democrats to get a centrist Republican speaker. All of

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Speaker 5: that has always been sort of pie in the sky.

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Speaker 5: But that's because you can get to seventeen theoretically with

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Speaker 5: some math that either includes keeping Republicans fully together and

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Speaker 5: only losing four votes. Jim Jordan can only afford to

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Speaker 5: lose four votes. He lost twenty yesterday, he said. His

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Speaker 5: team said, as his spokesman yesterday said, you know, basically,

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Speaker 5: the House needs a speaker right now, and was pushing

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Speaker 5: for there to be more votes yesterday. So it was

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Speaker 5: possible yesterday that we would have seen a marathon voting

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Speaker 5: session like we saw in January when Kevin McCarthy went

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Speaker 5: through fifteen ballots in a very short period of time.

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Speaker 3: That did not happen.

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Speaker 5: Instead, they could vote on Jordan again around eleven am.

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Speaker 5: Today we can put the next element up on the screen. So,

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Speaker 5: as Crystal pointed out, any other week, this would be

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Speaker 5: you know what we call the a block in the business,

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Speaker 5: this would be the headline that the House continues to

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Speaker 5: not have a speaker. The top candidate is you know,

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Speaker 5: you can see there he's still falling short of the

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Speaker 5: amount of votes that he needs, despite having now a

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Speaker 5: whole weekend of campaign. Now look at on the screen

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Speaker 5: there are Republicans still voting for Kevin McCarthy for Speaker

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Speaker 5: of the House. He got six votes yesterday he didn't

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Speaker 5: ask for them. Steve Scalise got seven votes. He also

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Speaker 5: wasn't asking for them. Tom Emmer, he's taken himself out

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Speaker 5: of the running. He got a vote. Lezeldon, who is

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Speaker 5: kind of a new name here, got three votes.

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Speaker 3: But look at that.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you still have six people voting for McCarthy

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Speaker 5: and seven people for Scalise. So prior candidates. And now

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Speaker 5: it gets even more interesting because Nuke Gingrich and John

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Speaker 5: Bayner have both suggested that the Speaker pro tem Patrick

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Speaker 5: McHenry of North Carolina be made temporary speaker, And it

840
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Speaker 5: kind of seems crystal like that's exactly where this is headed.

841
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Speaker 5: That you agree to disagree and have the disagreeable candidate.

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Speaker 5: And if that is the case, By the way, I

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Speaker 5: don't think most Americans care that much whether or not

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Speaker 5: you know who, whether or not the Speaker of the

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Speaker 5: House is temporary or if he's permanent. It makes Republicans

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Speaker 5: look ridiculous. I think most people are on the same

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Speaker 5: page about that. But we already all know the House

848
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Speaker 5: of Representatives is utterly broken, So I'm not sure that

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Speaker 5: this is like weighing heavily on the American consciousness. As

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Speaker 5: embarrassing and silly as it is, they weren't doing much anyway,

851
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Speaker 5: to be clear. But all that is to say, Matt

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Speaker 5: Gates ousted Kevin McCarthy, and if he first of all

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Speaker 5: he supported Scalisee as a replacement, but if he ends

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Speaker 5: up with McHenry as a replacement, you have both of

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Speaker 5: those options. Scalise and McHenry, but especially McHenry, are from

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Speaker 5: the perspective of like an anti establishment House Freedomcaucus guy

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Speaker 5: like Gates, much worse than McCarthy. McCarthy had spent years

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Speaker 5: working with the Freedom Caucus to tell them, I'm listening

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Speaker 5: to you. I mean to give you as much as

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Speaker 5: I can possibly give you if you continue to support me.

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Speaker 3: He was sympathetic to them.

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Speaker 5: He was radicalized in some He even kind of told

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Speaker 5: me this by the first impeachment that was a really

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Speaker 5: big deal for some establishment Republicans like Kevin McCarthy, who

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Speaker 5: started to say, maybe I should empower Jim Jordan, maybe

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Speaker 5: I should make him, maybe I should start an impeachment inquiry.

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Speaker 5: You would never have gotten that out of Patrick McHenry.

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Speaker 5: You probably wouldn't have gotten that out of Steve Scalice either,

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Speaker 5: So crystal incredibly embarrassing for the Republicans.

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Speaker 3: They might vote.

871
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Speaker 5: They might just throw their hands up in the air

872
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 5: at this point and say, let's agree to disagree and

873
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 5: let Patrick McHenry continue to do his thing and his

874
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 5: bow tie.

875
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 7: See.

876
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 1: I always thought that that was a real possibility, just

877
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 1: because I know that the status quo in DC like,

878
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 1: if they can avoid doing something and making a decision,

879
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 1: that's normally what happens. So I always thought that that

880
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:46,760
Speaker 1: was a real possibility that they because immediately the moment

881
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 1: that this you know, Israel Gaza war began and there

882
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: was this new push almost over you know, almost everybody

883
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 1: in the House wants to rush more aid to Israel.

884
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:00,839
Speaker 1: There's a few dissenters were to talk about that in

885
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 1: just a minute. But I thought, okay. Immediately there were

886
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,320
Speaker 1: all these articles that came out that were like, well,

887
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 1: I know we said the temporary Speaker can't really do anything,

888
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: but maybe.

889
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 4: We're going to change our mind on that.

890
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,720
Speaker 1: Maybe we can figure out a way that the temporary

891
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: Speaker can get Israel their aid and get Ukraine their aid.

892
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,879
Speaker 1: And when I saw those machinations happening, I was like, oh,

893
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 1: this is probably where they're going to end up. They're

894
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: just going to decide we're not going to come to

895
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: an agreement. No one can get the requisite number of votes. Actually,

896
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy had more votes when he was you know,

897
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: in this last go round than Jim Jordan does now.

898
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,439
Speaker 1: So maybe they're just going to fall back on the

899
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: status quo and default to McHenry and you know, make

900
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 1: that work for them.

901
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:49,959
Speaker 4: Another piece that I wonder what.

902
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: You think is going to happen in the vote today, Like,

903
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 1: do you think there's any chance that Jim Jordan can

904
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 1: actually get across the finish line. I don't have a

905
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 1: good feel for what the demand or concerns about Jordan are,

906
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,760
Speaker 1: which predominantly come from sort of the more quote unquote

907
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 1: moderate parts of the Republican caucus, Like is there something

908
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,399
Speaker 1: that he could promise them that would bring them on

909
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 1: board or do they just feel like, you know, you're

910
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 1: two partisan, you're too combative, you're too closely associated with

911
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 1: Trump and all those like election lize nonsense.

912
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 4: What is the real? What is the rub here with

913
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 4: regard to Jim Jordan.

914
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think actually the fact that we don't know

915
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 5: what any of those negotiating chips are publicly, I think

916
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 5: it's because they're not there.

917
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 3: And I think that's why there are you.

918
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:34,359
Speaker 5: Know, we've talked about, you know, how many people are

919
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:38,280
Speaker 5: never scalised, but how many people are are never Jordan.

920
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,720
Speaker 5: How many Centrists are never Jordan. I think that number

921
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 5: is pretty high. And essentially, I think there's some resignation

922
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 5: on both sides understanding that there's basically nothing you can do,

923
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 5: and that's why Jim Jordan over the weekend. According to

924
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 5: some sort of centrist Republicans, they say he really pissed

925
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 5: them off by turning to this new tactic, which was

926
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 5: a pressure campaign, where as the New York Times put it,

927
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 5: unleashing the rage of the party's base voters, which is

928
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 5: in the House of Representatives a really ridiculous and stupid

929
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:14,360
Speaker 5: thing to say, because they're supposed to represent the party's

930
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 5: base voter. So for the New York Times to be like, oh,

931
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 5: that's kind of icky, I thought was sort of telling.

932
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:21,879
Speaker 5: But all that is to say, there's really nothing from

933
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 5: my perspective, and that's why Jim Jordan. I've said this

934
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 5: a couple of times over the past couple of weeks,

935
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 5: and Crystal, you remember how huge, how towering a figure

936
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 5: Jim Jordan has been in the kind of conservative movement.

937
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 5: Even from like so the outside, you can see like

938
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 5: Jim Jordan is really like an icon to the grassroots

939
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 5: of the conservative movement. It's a kind of a fantasy

940
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,240
Speaker 5: draft pick. Really, like this is like if you could,

941
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,399
Speaker 5: if you could pick number one in the draft and

942
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 5: as a speaker of the House, people would pick Jim Jordan.

943
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 5: And the conservative movement is not at all used to,

944
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 5: and I know the sense ridiculous people on the left

945
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 5: is not at all used to seeing that. In the

946
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 5: House of Representatives, it's John Bayner, it's Paul Ryan, it's

947
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 5: Kevin McCarthy. You kind of try to work with people,

948
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:08,839
Speaker 5: but it's never someone who they feel like is really

949
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 5: their own is like died in the.

950
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:12,240
Speaker 4: War, Paul Ryan.

951
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 1: I know people feel different about him now, but during

952
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 1: the Tea Party era, he was like conservative Pino poster

953
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: boy dude.

954
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 10: He was, but he.

955
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 5: He was although people in the conservative movement like didn't

956
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 5: feel like he was a fellow traveler, even though he

957
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 5: kind of was a familiar figure. He wasn't like the

958
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 5: guy who was giving those like fire up speeches at

959
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:35,760
Speaker 5: sea pack like Jim Jordan.

960
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,399
Speaker 3: He always sort of seemed like he was the sort

961
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 3: of like.

962
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 5: A nerdy, cold guy who would you give you budget figures,

963
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:47,320
Speaker 5: but he wasn't there like in the trenches, yeah, talking

964
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 5: to activists. So all that is to say, like Jordan

965
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 5: is that like he is absolutely the model version of that.

966
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 5: And so that's why there are never Jordan centrist Republicans.

967
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 5: They don't want to vote for Jim Jordan, knowing that

968
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 5: he might be just throwing well, I shouldn't say might

969
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 5: will be throwing bombs every single day. You're constantly getting

970
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 5: media attention for impeachment stuff, for mortar stuff, and putting

971
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 5: them in uncomfortable situations. From their perspective, that's not a

972
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 5: tenable situation, and their districts to have on their record

973
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 5: that they voted for that. So I don't I don't

974
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 5: think there's a path for Jordan. Frankly, I kind of

975
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 5: wish there was a path for Jordan, but I just

976
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 5: don't think there is.

977
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Jordan in some ways is the perfect

978
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: emblem of like where the Republican base is right now,

979
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 1: because he's closely associated with these like you know, bombastic

980
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 1: pable news, theatrics and getting and really leading the charge

981
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 1: on like you know, the ben Ghazi hearings and the

982
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 1: weaponization of government and these like you know, inquiries, partisan

983
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 1: inquiries into the other side. But also at the same time,

984
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 1: during his entire time in Congress, like sixteen years, he's

985
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 1: never actually passed any legislation. But it's to me, again,

986
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 1: this is perfect. He's like he's got the vibes. He's

987
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: backed up Trump whenever Trump needed backup. He's in there,

988
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: he's mixing it up. He's like got the right affect

989
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 1: that the basis looking for. And he also was a

990
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,399
Speaker 1: real pioneer in terms of using you.

991
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 4: Know, like uh, I think didn't was.

992
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 1: A banner that called him like a legislative terrorist or

993
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,319
Speaker 1: government of terrorsts or something like that, because he's so

994
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:27,399
Speaker 1: closely associated with all of these like debt sealing type

995
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 1: hostage taking situations, which at times have been very effective

996
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 1: in terms of if you, you know, are a conservative

997
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 1: and you really care about like the budget deficit and

998
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 1: you want to cut social spending or whatever.

999
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 4: His you know, I think.

1000
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 1: All of this sucks, but his tactics have been effective

1001
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 1: at times, and that has really radicalized in a sense,

1002
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 1: the way that the House Republican Caucus in particular operates.

1003
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 4: So he's been at the forefront of all of that.

1004
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: So in a certain way, he is the perfect emblem

1005
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 1: of that caucus. But you know, it appears like there

1006
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,800
Speaker 1: are just just enough people that are like, I don't

1007
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 1: want to be the party that is, you know, the

1008
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 1: party of Trump and the part of party of Jim

1009
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 1: Jordan and his antics and his you know, extremism on

1010
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 1: issues from the budget to also abortion and social issues

1011
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 1: as well. They're worried about their seats in Congress, and

1012
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,840
Speaker 1: so that may be enough to derail him. But listen,

1013
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 1: this thing is a long way from over. I don't

1014
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:23,919
Speaker 1: think anyone really knows how it is going to end.

1015
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 1: As I said, I've always thought there was a real

1016
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 1: chance they just sort of like give up and end

1017
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 1: up with mckenry just hanging out there in the slot.

1018
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 1: And it does also make it appear like Matt Gates's

1019
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 1: beef was mostly personal with McCarthy, because if that's what.

1020
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 4: Ends up happening, then he didn't.

1021
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 1: He actually lost a lot in this exchange because they

1022
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 1: had much more sway and had this you know, original

1023
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:50,360
Speaker 1: deal that he made with McCarthy that he got, you know,

1024
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 1: a good bit out of that. He'll no longer have

1025
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 1: those sort of chips he can play going forward.

1026
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:54,839
Speaker 11: Well.

1027
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:57,720
Speaker 5: And this is an argument actually that Jordan has again

1028
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 5: sort of not pioneered, kind of embraced and led, is

1029
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 5: the idea that the House of Representatives is broken. So

1030
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:08,359
Speaker 5: hell yeah, we're going to do an impeachment inquiry because

1031
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:11,720
Speaker 5: Democrats broke it. And I think Matt Gates's best argument

1032
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 5: in his favor is that that's all he did. But

1033
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 5: I think the real he used that as a pretense,

1034
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 5: right to say, we're draining the swamp. The swamp is

1035
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 5: going to consume everything anyway, so let's just throw everything

1036
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 5: into disarray and chaos. It's better than when the House

1037
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 5: is working smoothly. I think it was likely a pretense

1038
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 5: for you know, a personal a grievance. We should mention

1039
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 5: there's a bill being introduced today that would, as Axios

1040
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:43,800
Speaker 5: puts it, temporarily empower McHenry to oversee the passage of legislation.

1041
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 5: So it's possible that they could resign themselves to this

1042
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 5: limbo today that that could just become very clear by

1043
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 5: the end of the day.

1044
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:55,479
Speaker 3: We don't yet know, but.

1045
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:58,719
Speaker 5: It's it's certainly one thing we want to mention here.

1046
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 5: Let's let's roll the tape up of one Democrat floating

1047
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 5: just a delicious suggestion for House Republicans.

1048
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 11: I could see President George W. Bush serving as as

1049
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 11: Speaker of the House. He could come back in, you know,

1050
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 11: And obviously I'm not a real fan of how the

1051
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 11: Iraq War went, but I would think that any reasonable

1052
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 11: Republican would be somebody that Democrats could work with if

1053
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 11: it was part of a system where you didn't have

1054
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 11: five of the most extreme Republicans blocking important legislation.

1055
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 1: You just said a name that I didn't even know

1056
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 1: was in this speaker realm, and that was former President

1057
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 1: George W.

1058
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 11: Bush.

1059
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 4: Is that someone you would support? And b where are

1060
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 4: we in this fight? Is there?

1061
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 7: Are we close to a resolution?

1062
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 11: George W. Bush? I pick him as a traditional Republican

1063
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 11: who isn't doing anything right now. Mitt Romney also comes

1064
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 11: to mind, but he's got Senate seat to fill for

1065
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 11: a while.

1066
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 5: Christ So can I say this is exactly what fuels

1067
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 5: Matt Gates. This pisses people off so much because the

1068
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 5: never Jordan votes are the people that would be like.

1069
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 3: Oh, hey, George W.

1070
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 7: Busch, Oh, okay, yeah, I hear you.

1071
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 5: That's Brad Sherman, Democrat Brad Sherman who suggested that.

1072
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 3: But good comic relief to your point, Chris.

1073
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 1: Thank god George W. Bush is not going to be

1074
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 1: Speaker of the House. It's not a serious proposal, but

1075
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 1: it is very revealing all the way. He can just

1076
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, the Iraq War, it wasn't my cup

1077
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 1: and Seve, but that thought water under the bridge all

1078
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 1: the like torture and war crimes and Getmo and the

1079
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 1: rocky civilians who were.

1080
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 4: Killed and our own men and women.

1081
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 1: And the treasure and the chaos in the Middle East

1082
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 1: and helping it spark isis you know, boys will be boys.

1083
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 1: I guess it's all good. He's the reasonable republicanist. Like

1084
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 1: nothing has made me more insane in the Trump era

1085
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 1: than the rehabilitation of George W. Bush specifically, but all

1086
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 1: of the neo Ki Nicole Wallace over on MSNBC and

1087
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 1: all these like resistance.

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Speaker 4: Heroes who all they have to.

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Speaker 1: Do is be like, I don't like Trump, and we're like, okay,

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Speaker 1: we forgive you for the war crimes. It's fine, don't

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Speaker 1: worry about it. Let's all link arms. You're reasonable. That

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Speaker 1: is the thing that I hate the most about Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump and our politics, because the divide becomes about nothing

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Speaker 1: other than him.

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Speaker 4: No policy, like the history has wiped.

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Speaker 1: Clean, all of our memories are rased. No like forward

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Speaker 1: looking policy. I mean, that's the other thing. That's another

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Speaker 1: reason why I think Jim Jordan is so perfect is

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Speaker 1: because like he has never passed any legislation, and in

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Speaker 1: the Trump era, that is like exactly emblematic of where

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Speaker 1: we all are that it doesn't have to do with

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Speaker 1: policy and delivering for the American people. Is just like

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Speaker 1: what do you think about the person of Donald Trump specifically?

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Speaker 1: And so since George W. Bush is seen as being

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Speaker 1: on the other side, on the correct side of the

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Speaker 1: Trump divide, then all of the horrors of his presidency

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Speaker 1: are immediately forgiven because he has the right answer on

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Speaker 1: one question that apparently matters in American politics.

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Speaker 5: Which is, yeah, this question of like civility and decency,

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Speaker 5: which doesn't write exactly so war crimes out the window.

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Speaker 5: But if he's civil and decent and his friends with Michelle.

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Speaker 3: Obama, he is one of the good ones.

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Speaker 5: Meanwhile, again, like whatever you think of Matt Gates, he

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Speaker 5: is as anti war as a Republican possibly could get.

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Speaker 5: Although I don't know where he stands on just bombing

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Speaker 5: the shit out of Mexico.

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Speaker 3: That's a different question.

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Speaker 1: Yet I wouldn't take the I would not label him

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Speaker 1: anti war, but as a Republican, he didn't make some

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Speaker 1: he did make some good noises about stock trading ban

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Speaker 1: I'll give him credit on that one.

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Speaker 4: But that's going to anti war.

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Speaker 5: And again, like as a Republican can get that's probably

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Speaker 5: as anti war and you you'll ever find a Republican.

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Speaker 5: So it's it's it's more of a standard of Republican

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Speaker 5: anti anti war candidates. But to the point that is

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Speaker 5: what really fuels people like Matt Gates is when you

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Speaker 5: have that like the warmongerers being the ones that are

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Speaker 5: depicted by the left and the centrist right as the

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Speaker 5: decent and civil ones. And that's why they come in

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Speaker 5: and say, all right, well, I'm blowing Congress up because

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Speaker 5: you people suck, And they have a point, speaking though Crystal,

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Speaker 5: of just throwing Congress into chaos and disarray. Everything isn't

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Speaker 5: quite neat and unified on the Democratic side either at

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Speaker 5: the moment. What's happening on the left, on the left

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Speaker 5: side of the chamber.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know, you've had some and this is

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Speaker 1: unusual in American history, you have had some voices of

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Speaker 1: dissent from the idea that we will back Israel no

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Speaker 1: matter what. Now, in my opinion, no country should be

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Speaker 1: given a no matter what blank check, but in particular Israel,

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Speaker 1: given their record, I mean even just looking at how

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Speaker 1: they're prosecuting this current war, and you know, committing what

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Speaker 1: the UN is describing as violations of international law or

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Speaker 1: war crimes, specifically with the complete siege. And so even

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Speaker 1: before this latest hospital airstrike, which is obviously up the

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Speaker 1: emotional level just an infinite amount, you had a little

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Speaker 1: bit of dissenting voices, and you had a huge crackdown

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Speaker 1: from the White House describing you know, just calls for

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Speaker 1: like a ceasefire as repugnant. But now with the civilians

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Speaker 1: killed at this hospital, the emotions are so much higher.

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Speaker 1: And so the tenor of the discussion between this you know,

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Speaker 1: handful of or left members of Congress, the tenor of

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Speaker 1: the discussion between them and Joe Biden has significantly changed,

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Speaker 1: has gone and put Rashida to Leeb's comments here up

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Speaker 1: on the screen. Rashida to Leib, Palestinian American who's been

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Speaker 1: one of the you know, I think uh leading voices

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Speaker 1: in terms of a different approach on Israel. She says,

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Speaker 1: Israel just bombed the Baptist hospital, killing five hundred Palestinians, doctors' children, patients,

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Speaker 1: Just like that, Potus, this is what happens when you

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Speaker 1: refuse to facilitate a sea and help de escalate your war.

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Speaker 1: Destruction only approach has opened my eyes and many Palestinian

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Speaker 1: Americans and Muslim Americans like me, we will remember where

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Speaker 1: you stood. You had ilhan Omar also tweeting, let's put

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Speaker 1: this up on the screen. Bombing a hospital is among

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Speaker 1: the gravest of war crimes. The IDF reportedly blowing up

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Speaker 1: one of the few places the injured and wounded con

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Speaker 1: sik medical treatment and shelter during a war is horrific.

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Speaker 1: Potus needs to push for an immediate cease fire to

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Speaker 1: end this slaughter. This comes on the heel. Let's put

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Speaker 1: this up on the screen. From Ryan's outlet from the intercept.

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Speaker 1: On Monday, before the hospital bombing, you had thirteen Democrats

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Speaker 1: in the House, led by Corey Bush Rashieta to leave,

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Speaker 1: Andre Carson, summer Lee and Dhlia Ramirez introduced a resolution

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Speaker 1: urging them Biden administration to call for an immediate de

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Speaker 1: escalation and ceasefire in Israel and Occupied Palestine and to

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Speaker 1: send humanitarian aid to Gaza. And you also did have

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Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders seeming yesterday to call for a cease fire,

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Speaker 1: saying these unspeakable crimes must stop now. The bombs and

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Speaker 1: missiles from both sides must end. Massive humanitarian aid must

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Speaker 1: be rushed to Gaza, and the hostages must be returned

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Speaker 1: to their families. So, you know, I think this marks

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Speaker 1: a dramatic shift, even though this is just a few

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Speaker 1: voices in the Democratic caucus in where the Democratic Party

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Speaker 1: has usually been I mean support like undie, unequivocal, unconditional

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Speaker 1: support for Israel has long been a bedrock of bipartisan

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Speaker 1: policy between Republicans and Democrats. You've had huge money efforts

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Speaker 1: that Ryan has covered very closely to.

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Speaker 4: Try to make sure enforce.

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Speaker 1: Discipline on that question of we will always stand with

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Speaker 1: Israel no matter what they do, no matter what comes.

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Speaker 1: With huge amounts of American dollars in aid. There has

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Speaker 1: been big money efforts to make sure that any candidates

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Speaker 1: who deviate from that are of including Summer Lee by

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Speaker 1: the way, who's on this resolution, that they get crushed

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Speaker 1: in primaries, that they're defeated at the ballot box. And still,

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Speaker 1: because you have a much different view of this conflict

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Speaker 1: between Israel and Palestine among young Democrats in particular, a

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Speaker 1: majority of whom sympathize in general outside of this current

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Speaker 1: conflict with Palestinians, you have some of that starting to

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Speaker 1: creep in. And I mean, Emily, I'll tell you from

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Speaker 1: my personal perspective, I will never forget the fact that

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Speaker 1: just calls for a ceasefire from the White House, Kareem

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Speaker 1: Jean Pierre called those calls repugnant and shameful. And now

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Speaker 1: we see, you know, whoever's side of the story you

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Speaker 1: believe with regard to the hospital, now we see just

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Speaker 1: the horrors of continuing this bombing campaign with no end

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Speaker 1: in sight, the human toll here. And you called a ceasefire,

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Speaker 1: calls for a ceasefire and diplomacy, you call them repugnant.

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Speaker 1: You banned State Department officials, according to a memo that

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Speaker 1: having to Post reported on, from talking about a ceasefire,

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Speaker 1: for calling to an end to bloodshed, calling for to

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Speaker 1: restore calm. They were are diplomats, were banned from even

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Speaker 1: using those words. That is something that I will never

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Speaker 1: forget and clearly has been zeered into the consciousness of

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Speaker 1: a few of these dissident members of Congress.

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Speaker 3: You know, this is a really interesting block to do.

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Speaker 5: After our last conversation in the previous block about how

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Speaker 5: Republicans are in disarray at the moment, and in the

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Speaker 5: belt Way, you know, and I think rightfully, to some

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Speaker 5: degree that's treated as kind of an embarrassment, and they

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Speaker 5: sort of right flank the House Freedom Caucus guys are

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Speaker 5: are being blamed for the chaos, when you know, in reality,

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Speaker 5: I think a lot of that blame goes to the establishment,

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Speaker 5: which is utterly unmoving in some cases and unwilling to

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Speaker 5: work with people, although it wasn't true of Kevin McCarthy Chrystal.

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Speaker 5: I've had this conversation with Ryan a few times. I'm

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Speaker 5: curious what you think too about the Squad sort of

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Speaker 5: taking a page out of the Freedom Caucus book and

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Speaker 5: really starting to push the party's leadership in the House

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Speaker 5: side a lot harder. Is this something you think that

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Speaker 5: could especially because it's unfolding in the context of the

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Speaker 5: speakership battle with their Republican colleagues. Is this something you

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Speaker 5: think could trigger maybe a more permanent or a more

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Speaker 5: serious now that Nancy Pelosi is out. This is one

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Speaker 5: of the big dividing lines post Pelosi with Hi King

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Speaker 5: Jeffries a more serious divorce between leadership and squad members.

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Speaker 1: I doubt it, I mean real, just because I mean

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Speaker 1: King Jeffrey's point is an interesting one because Nancy Pelosi

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Speaker 1: is very effective at enforcing loyalty and massive fundraiser, you know,

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Speaker 1: able to deliver dollars to struggling campaigns. Clearly was very

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Speaker 1: effective at getting the aocs of the world in line

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Speaker 1: with her agenda and buying into you know what, you'll

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Speaker 1: get more with what are they saying.

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Speaker 4: More with honey than vinegar? Yeah, exactly. She clearly got

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Speaker 4: them to buy into that.

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Speaker 1: And so any you know, from AOC originally protesting outside

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Speaker 1: of her office to then admitting that she had changed

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Speaker 1: her governing philosophy and she was working more the inside game.

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Speaker 4: That was very effective.

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Speaker 1: Will Kim jefferiesby as effective and enforcing that kind of

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Speaker 1: like loyalty and discipline hard to say, but I really

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Speaker 1: think the big enforcer of loyalty and discipline is Donald Trump,

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Speaker 1: you know, because when it comes down to it and

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Speaker 1: I listen, I also.

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Speaker 4: Don't want Trump reelected.

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Speaker 1: So I'm actually sympathetic to this view of like, well,

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Speaker 1: if you are you know, if you dissent, if you're

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Speaker 1: criticizing Joe Biden from the left, if you're you know,

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Speaker 1: making a big fuss about whatever you're just providing.

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Speaker 4: Succer to the Republicans.

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Speaker 1: You're helping to re elect Donald Trump, and he's a

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Speaker 1: million times worse than Joe Biden. So that's why I'm

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Speaker 1: skeptical that as long as Donald Trump is hanging out

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Speaker 1: there over everyone's heads, that the fundamental dynamics of the

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Speaker 1: political situation the Democratic Party are going to change.

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Speaker 4: And we saw this. I don't know if you've got a.

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Speaker 1: Chance to watch the results of the focus group that

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Speaker 1: we did with Democratic base voters down around Atlanta, and

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Speaker 1: when they were talking about Joe Biden, you know, they're like, oh,

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Speaker 1: we like it. They have affection for him, they're concerned

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Speaker 1: about his age. They don't see him as super competent.

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Speaker 1: You know, if somebody use the term like frail, he

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Speaker 1: seems soft.

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Speaker 4: You know he's not.

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Speaker 1: If you're watching the videos of him in Israel, it's

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Speaker 1: not an impressive site in terms of.

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Speaker 4: His verbal articulation or forcefulness.

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Speaker 1: But ultimately they're like, yeah, of course we're going to

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Speaker 1: vote for him, and we don't even really want him

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Speaker 1: to be challenged in the primary, because yeah, we might

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Speaker 1: like other options, but we really want is him to

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Speaker 1: step aside because we're worried that a messy democratic process

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Speaker 1: may you know, help enable Donald Trump back into the

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Speaker 1: White House. Now, I think I understand why they believe that.

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Speaker 4: I think that that.

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Speaker 1: Is bullshit that you know, the media has persuaded them of,

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Speaker 1: because we've seen very you know, very thetriolic primaries on

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Speaker 1: the Republican side in twenty sixteen on the Democratic side

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Speaker 1: between Hillary and Obama, and those candidates came out better

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Speaker 1: and ended up winning the White House.

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Speaker 4: So I don't think that that is accurate.

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Speaker 1: But that's the Donald Trump is shaping the views of

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Speaker 1: Democratic based voters and is very much shaping the views

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Speaker 1: of Democrats in Congress as well. So while you see

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Speaker 1: in this particular moment, and especially with you know, il

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Speaker 1: Han and with Rashida Talib, who still has family in

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Speaker 1: you know that she's not allowed to visit, by the way,

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Speaker 1: in the occupied territories, it's very visceral, it's very emotional.

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Speaker 1: They're sort of breaking that layer of decorum that is

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Speaker 1: typically on under their like laying over their even like

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Speaker 1: veiled criticisms of the administration. But I don't think that

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Speaker 1: that will last. I don't think it will lead to

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Speaker 1: a real shift towards sort of freedom Caucus tactics because

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Speaker 1: the fundamental dynamics remain the same that Donald Trump is

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Speaker 1: the biggest threat, and ultimately they'll do what they need

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Speaker 1: to do to be loyal Democratic soldiers to try to

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Speaker 1: make sure that he doesn't assent to the White House again.

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Speaker 5: This is actually so interesting because my understanding has always

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Speaker 5: been that Nancy Pelosi was the wrangler and was just

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Speaker 5: very very good at persuading people like AOC to the

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Speaker 5: point that you mentioned, and I actually wonder how much

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Speaker 5: Nancy Pelosi is still helping Hakim Jeffreyes sort of make

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Speaker 5: that argument and make that pitch in the Lower Chamber

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Speaker 5: because that's a I mean, that's sort of been baked

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Speaker 5: into their identity now thanks to Pelosi, Like they look

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Speaker 5: at what the Republicans are doing, and even people in

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Speaker 5: the squad who, by the way, I mean the disagreement

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Speaker 5: between Rashida Talib and the Josh Gottheimer types of people

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Speaker 5: when they're or as Richie Torres like that. They can

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Speaker 5: have disagreements over Medicare for all, etcetera, etcetera. This disagreement

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Speaker 5: over calls for a cease fire and over questions as

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Speaker 5: it pertains to Israel and Palestine has already gotten really ugly,

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Speaker 5: and for understandable reasons, and will I mean it's so

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Speaker 5: deep and personal that, you know, for them to maintain

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Speaker 5: unity in the face of that deep personal disagreement is

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Speaker 5: I mean, that's a feat for democratic leadership. That's you know,

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Speaker 5: in some ways, a testament to how well they've sold

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Speaker 5: the squad. This argument that if you sort of stay coalesced.

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Speaker 3: And in line, you will get more wins down.

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Speaker 5: The road, I think that's a reasonable argument, although I

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Speaker 5: don't think it is the most reasonable argument.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's the winning argument.

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Speaker 5: I actually think the Freedom Caucus has proved that Congress

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Speaker 5: isn't really doing anything anyway. I mean, they've punted almost

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Speaker 5: all of their duties to the executive branch. And you know,

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Speaker 5: actually representing the voters who sent you to Congress, whether

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Speaker 5: you're in the Bronx or you're in you know, rural Tennessee,

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Speaker 5: uh is what you're there to do. And you know,

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Speaker 5: if anything, the Hakeem Jefferies and U Nancy Pelosi's are

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Speaker 5: standing in the way of that and the interest of

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Speaker 5: serving San Francisco and you know, other places. So it's

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Speaker 5: it is kind of fascinating those dynamics are, but we'll

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Speaker 5: have to see how how it turns out this time.

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Speaker 3: I think you're right. I would put my money where

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Speaker 3: you're putting your money.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, think this last comment on this, think

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Speaker 1: of even just this issue. So even if you know

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Speaker 1: you are very sympathetic not to Hamas but to Palestinians

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Speaker 1: and their you know, righteous fight for self determination, and

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Speaker 1: that's where your predominant sympathies lie.

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Speaker 4: Well, if your choice is.

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Speaker 1: Between Trump and Biden, you know, even on this issue,

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Speaker 1: even as phorrent as I found, you know, the idea

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Speaker 1: of a ceasefire being shot as repugnant isn't even as

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Speaker 1: abhorn as I find that, there's no doubt that you'd

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Speaker 1: rather have Biden on this issue if you are in

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Speaker 1: favor of Palestinian statehood and Palestinian human rights. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Trump gave Netanyahu everything he wanted. Now it's fair to

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Speaker 1: say also Biden didn't really roll any of that back,

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Speaker 1: but he hasn't actively gone and exacerbated the situation.

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Speaker 4: Just like greenlit settlements.

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Speaker 1: There is at least some talk of like caring about

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Speaker 1: the human beings in Palestine, even if it is you know,

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Speaker 1: even if it is much less, further, much further down

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Speaker 1: the priority list than backing up Israel. So even on

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Speaker 1: this one issue, you know, if you put it to

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Speaker 1: Rashida's to leave an ilhan Omar, Okay, well, here are

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Speaker 1: your two choices. Here what you put like, there's no

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Speaker 1: doubt who they'd be on the side of. So that's

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Speaker 1: why I think that it doesn't fundamentally shift the dynamics,

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Speaker 1: even as emotions are understandably incredibly incredibly high and raw

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Speaker 1: and fraud right at the moment.

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Speaker 3: So all of this news is unfolding here in Washington,

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Speaker 3: d C. And over in the Middle East.

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Speaker 5: In Beijing, there is the third annual Belt in Road

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Speaker 5: Summit taking place. This is on the tenth anniversary to

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Speaker 5: celebrate commemorate the tenth anniversary of the Belt and Rolled initiative,

1379
01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:20,280
Speaker 5: which I think has been argued persuasively so that it

1380
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Speaker 5: is sort of neo colonial exercise. But we can get

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Speaker 5: into that maybe, Crystal. The point is we could put

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Speaker 5: the first element up on the screen that Putin and

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Speaker 5: Shijinping are meeting today. They met briefly yesterday. We're going

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Speaker 5: to put some video of that up on the screen.

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Speaker 5: You'll see it rolling as we're talking here. They are,

1386
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Speaker 5: so they did a handshake public handshake for the cameras yesterday.

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Speaker 5: You can see this rolling on the screen. They are

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Speaker 5: then going to have a meeting today. Xi Jinping is

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Speaker 5: delivering the keynote address today. He met with Victor Orbon

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Speaker 5: yesterday some other world leaders. This is actually Putin's second

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Speaker 5: visit outside of Russia since he was indicted by the

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Speaker 5: International Criminal Court in March, so his travel is actually

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Speaker 5: limited right now because of the war in Ukraine and

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Speaker 5: Russian alleged Russian war crimes. He is being treated by

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Speaker 5: Kremlin news sources right now as like the guest of

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Speaker 5: honor at Xijin Pang's summit. They're showing it, as the

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Speaker 5: Washington Post described, kind of his clout on full display

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Speaker 5: in the summit, that he is being treated as one

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Speaker 5: of the great world leaders by Hijin Ping and being

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Speaker 5: honored by Sujin Ping. They of course had what they

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Speaker 5: established what they call the no limits friendship. I think

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Speaker 5: that was last year that they formally they kind of

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Speaker 5: formalized that question of a no limits friendship. They've been

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Speaker 5: referring to each other as old friends over the course

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Speaker 5: of the summit.

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Speaker 3: And Krystal. We talked earlier in the show about you know.

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Speaker 5: What I It keeps coming to my mind as just

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Speaker 5: the phrase like nineteen thirteen, nineteen thirteen vibes. There's a

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Speaker 5: lot of people talking about nineteen thirty vibes. Both of

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Speaker 5: them have really criticized Israel in addition to their ally Iran.

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01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:13,040
Speaker 5: So you have Putin, you have Chijin Ping meeting as

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Speaker 5: Joe Biden is in Israel. I mean that split screen

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Speaker 5: in and of itself is just absolutely remarkable. You have

1414
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Speaker 5: Biden meeting in Tel Aviv with net and Yahoo. You

1415
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Speaker 5: have in Beijing Putin and Chijin Pang meeting with some

1416
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Speaker 5: other world leaders, and both of those sides are becoming

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01:17:29,240 --> 01:17:32,240
Speaker 5: more and more stark that question of who is with

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Speaker 5: sort of Iran and Hezbollah, as this could potentially turn

1419
01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:40,160
Speaker 5: quickly into a military conflict based on the US saying

1420
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Speaker 5: they would seriously likely consider boots on the ground military involvement.

1421
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Speaker 5: They say, not combat, but military involvement if Hasbola were

1422
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Speaker 5: to launch a strike and all of this, I mean

1423
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Speaker 5: talk about fraud. Used that word earlier in the short Crystal,

1424
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Speaker 5: I think is absolutely perfect. It is such a fragile

1425
01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:04,080
Speaker 5: ge political ecosystem right now. So the split screen of

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Speaker 5: them talking and projecting she Jimpang and Putin both projecting

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Speaker 5: this idea sort of a new generation of world leadership.

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01:18:12,479 --> 01:18:15,880
Speaker 5: You know, that's America's time is at an end, is

1429
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Speaker 5: the line, and it is time for these new countries.

1430
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Speaker 5: And China really sees their form of it's this sort

1431
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Speaker 5: of authoritarian.

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Speaker 3: Mercantile.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's just such a strange blend of different

1434
01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:32,439
Speaker 5: government governing philosophies. But they see it as socialism with

1435
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:35,160
Speaker 5: Chinese characteristics, and they think it should kind of lead

1436
01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:37,120
Speaker 5: the world going forward.

1437
01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:39,360
Speaker 3: Now, all of their.

1438
01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:45,000
Speaker 5: Talks of peace and unity and a bright global future

1439
01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:50,000
Speaker 5: ring hollow given their own personal records of human rights abuses.

1440
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Speaker 3: That isn't to say anybody else is perfect.

1441
01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:55,760
Speaker 5: It is to say that them having this conversation when

1442
01:18:55,880 --> 01:18:59,439
Speaker 5: Vladimir Putin is implicated and She Jimping, by the way,

1443
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:03,280
Speaker 5: is implication in all kinds of just grave human rights abuses,

1444
01:19:03,439 --> 01:19:08,080
Speaker 5: war crimes. I don't think they're really projecting the global leadership.

1445
01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:11,160
Speaker 5: They think they are crystal, but it is terrifying. The

1446
01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:14,639
Speaker 5: split screen is actually really terrifying because it shows how

1447
01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:19,960
Speaker 5: quickly everything can spill over into a literal world war,

1448
01:19:20,120 --> 01:19:22,400
Speaker 5: and that's not I actually don't think that's hyperbolic. Right

1449
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:24,639
Speaker 5: now when you have the involvement of Iran and Hezbollah

1450
01:19:24,720 --> 01:19:28,440
Speaker 5: on the line with allies that are meeting to project

1451
01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:31,040
Speaker 5: their intertwinement and their allieship.

1452
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Speaker 1: Right now, American influence in the world is in tatters,

1453
01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:39,240
Speaker 1: and I really think it does begin with the Iraq

1454
01:19:39,280 --> 01:19:43,920
Speaker 1: War and the war on terror and what we did

1455
01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:47,200
Speaker 1: in response to nine to eleven, which you know, makes

1456
01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:51,479
Speaker 1: this moment even more horrific that it seems like none

1457
01:19:51,479 --> 01:19:53,759
Speaker 1: of those lessons from nine to eleven in our response

1458
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:55,400
Speaker 1: seem to have been learned.

1459
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Speaker 5: Which was the goal of al Qaeda. It was the

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01:19:57,479 --> 01:20:00,120
Speaker 5: undercut American leadership on the global stage.

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Speaker 1: Works like a charm, works like a friggin charm, and

1462
01:20:04,680 --> 01:20:08,879
Speaker 1: you know, and that's all our own idiot murderers leaders.

1463
01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:17,400
Speaker 1: But between the Ukraine war and now the Hamas attacks

1464
01:20:17,439 --> 01:20:22,920
Speaker 1: and Israel's assault on Gaza, you have an acceleration of

1465
01:20:23,080 --> 01:20:27,519
Speaker 1: the of the realization of a multi polar world. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's what's really come into focus.

1467
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Speaker 4: And it's really important to keep in mind.

1468
01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:39,559
Speaker 1: Obviously we're Americans and we're consuming American media and you know,

1469
01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:42,559
Speaker 1: getting fed like a very Western view of both the

1470
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Speaker 1: Ukraine War and of what's happening.

1471
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Speaker 4: In Israel right now.

1472
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Speaker 1: And you know, the American people overwhelmingly on the side

1473
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Speaker 1: of Israel.

1474
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Speaker 4: In fact, the American people seem to.

1475
01:20:52,680 --> 01:20:55,120
Speaker 1: Be more on the side of Netanyahu than the Israeli

1476
01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:58,160
Speaker 1: people even are at this point. So we have this

1477
01:20:58,240 --> 01:21:01,360
Speaker 1: particular perspective, and it could be easy to feel like

1478
01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:05,320
Speaker 1: that must be shared widely in the world, but it's

1479
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Speaker 1: actually not.

1480
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Speaker 4: The bulk of the world.

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01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:13,479
Speaker 1: Sees both of these conflicts very differently, very differently, and

1482
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:16,879
Speaker 1: so that creates a very clear set of dividing lines

1483
01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:21,920
Speaker 1: that yes is you know, China and Russia foment this

1484
01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:25,880
Speaker 1: this partnership, and you know you see countries like India

1485
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:27,680
Speaker 1: trying to figure out where they want to fit in this,

1486
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Speaker 1: and Africa and South America. I mean, there's just a

1487
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:35,599
Speaker 1: very different view of the world that is held by

1488
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Speaker 1: the populations in these places, let alone, and you know,

1489
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Speaker 1: overwhelmingly in.

1490
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Speaker 4: The Middle East. So that's where we are right now.

1491
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Speaker 1: And you know, in some ways, as I said, both

1492
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Speaker 1: with the Ukraine War, now what's happening in Israel. I

1493
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Speaker 1: think America has adopted a posture of learned impotence, of

1494
01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:57,479
Speaker 1: unwillingness to use the the you know, incredible leverage of

1495
01:21:57,640 --> 01:22:01,120
Speaker 1: American dollars that we could use in the situation I want,

1496
01:22:01,200 --> 01:22:03,240
Speaker 1: if we actually wanted to, if we actually cared about

1497
01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:06,559
Speaker 1: affecting a particular outcome, we could use that leverage. But

1498
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Speaker 1: there seems to be this posture of like learned impotence

1499
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Speaker 1: on both sides. And you know, the one thing I

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Speaker 1: will say on the other side of this is China's

1501
01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:16,840
Speaker 1: got a lot of problems right now with their own

1502
01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:20,800
Speaker 1: economic situation. Very hard to know exactly what the numbers are,

1503
01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:23,800
Speaker 1: what it looks like, and there have been many, you know,

1504
01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:26,680
Speaker 1: dire warnings about what's going to happen in China with

1505
01:22:26,720 --> 01:22:29,880
Speaker 1: their economic situation before that have never come to pass.

1506
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Speaker 4: But you have a huge real.

1507
01:22:32,439 --> 01:22:37,120
Speaker 1: Estate bubble, you've got demographic issues that you've got, you.

1508
01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:38,439
Speaker 4: Know, an economic downturn.

1509
01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:42,479
Speaker 1: Even the thought was after COVID and after zero COVID

1510
01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:45,240
Speaker 1: lockdown there that they'd have this explosion of growth that's

1511
01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:46,440
Speaker 1: been quite the opposite.

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Speaker 4: So they do have their own issues as well.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to pretend like they're this like you know,

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Speaker 1: unstoppable giant that's continuing to move.

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Speaker 4: Forward, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: But I do think you see very clearly, very a

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Speaker 1: different world and different power dynamics coming into play right now.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a that's a really important point, especially because

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Speaker 5: as Chinese exports the United States are declining, and the

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Speaker 5: Washington Post points this out too, they're finding an export

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Speaker 5: market in Russia, and so that sort of economic partnership

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Speaker 5: and that trade relationship is becoming really important. Also, Putin

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Speaker 5: has you know, looked to China, Iran and North Korea

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Speaker 5: for as the Post puts at drones or tailor shells,

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Speaker 5: rockets and other weapons in his ongoing war against Ukraine.

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Speaker 5: So their partnership they found, you know, sort of different

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Speaker 5: benefits in it so far they already. But that is

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Speaker 5: to say that they still have serious, serious problems of

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Speaker 5: their own at home. Putin most recently is again the

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Speaker 5: Post points this out, failed to broker piece and that

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Speaker 5: horrific situation in Armenia and Azerbaijan. So it's not you know,

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Speaker 5: it's it's certainly not all rosy for them either, not

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Speaker 5: that it really ever would be, but that side by

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Speaker 5: side is genuinely.

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Speaker 3: You use this word early.

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Speaker 5: Let's bring it full circle, chilling as we see things

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Speaker 5: unfolding in the Middle East. And I do think it's important,

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Speaker 5: uh to recognize that groups like Hesbulah and Hamas have

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Speaker 5: this sort of philosophy of global terror. Their their idea

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Speaker 5: is not just about Middle East the Middle East. Obviously

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Speaker 5: they do have near term priorities in places like Palestine,

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Speaker 5: for example, but we've seen that that global reach enacted.

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Speaker 3: You know, more than more than a dozen times, you know,

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Speaker 3: in the last twenty years.

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Speaker 5: So it's it's a frightening reality when you combine that

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Speaker 5: with nuclear powers like Russia and China.

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Speaker 1: To be sure, I mean, Hamas has always focused on

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Speaker 1: national self determination, so it's different from a like ISIS

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Speaker 1: or al Qaeda in terms of their their aims and

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Speaker 1: their end goals. But you know, when you go back

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Speaker 1: and you listen to what we played earlier of Venet

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Speaker 1: Yahoo talking up a civilizational conflict between what he describes

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Speaker 1: as barbarians in the civilized war world. When you see

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Speaker 1: some of the language that's coming out of a run,

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Speaker 1: when you see some of the language coming from Hesbula,

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Speaker 1: when you see, you know, these meetings high level meetings

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Speaker 1: between Russia and China, you know, and you've got an

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Speaker 1: American president in Israel as they are, you know, inflicting

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Speaker 1: horror on Gaza civilians, Palestinian civilians. You know, the world

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Speaker 1: is genuinely at a precipice and you know may come

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Speaker 1: through it without a broader conflict, but that is far

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Speaker 1: from certain as we sit and as we watch this

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Speaker 1: right now. And you know the fact that that meeting

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Speaker 1: in Jordan, where there was supposed to be some diplomacy

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Speaker 1: between the US acting as best we can as a neutral,

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Speaker 1: arbitrary even though we were far from anything approaching that

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Speaker 1: with Arab leaders, that that was canceled, and you now

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Speaker 1: have very hot and angry protests throughout the region. These

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Speaker 1: are these are really troubling signs for what the future

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Speaker 1: may help.

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Speaker 4: So you know, we'll continue.

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Speaker 1: To try to understand it as best we can and

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Speaker 1: pars through the varying reports and a very difficult landscape,

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Speaker 1: fog of war and all of that.

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Speaker 4: And you know, emilyam.

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Speaker 1: Grateful to be able to be with you today and

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Speaker 1: to all of you guys out there, thank you for

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01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:18,080
Speaker 1: trusting us to try to sort through very challenging and

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Speaker 1: complex situations as they're unfolding.

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Speaker 5: Huge shout out to producers Mac and Griffin for all

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Speaker 5: of their work on that too, Yeah, and sifting through

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01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:28,000
Speaker 5: so much footage trying to verify those things because we

1583
01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:31,120
Speaker 5: take seriously the responsibility of bringing you guys the best

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Speaker 5: and the most accurate information that we possibly can.

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Speaker 3: On that note, if you haven't subscribed, please do.

1586
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Speaker 5: You can watch the full show of Counterpoints early and

1587
01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:43,519
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1588
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1589
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Speaker 5: Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts, hit the notification button

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Speaker 5: on YouTube. Crystal, you guys have just been doing incredible

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01:26:54,920 --> 01:26:58,479
Speaker 5: work throughout this whole conflict. Your coverage has just been

1593
01:26:58,520 --> 01:27:00,800
Speaker 5: excellent and you're so busy, so thank you so much

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Speaker 5: for taking the time to join the show today.

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Speaker 1: It was an honor to get to do it today,

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Speaker 1: especially on such a consequential news day. And Sagar and

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Speaker 1: I will be back in studio tomorrow with full coverage

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Speaker 1: for you, and also we'll be watching what happens today

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Speaker 1: if there's any breaking news that we need to do

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Speaker 1: a quick video on so I will see you guys tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: And oh, actually, Emily, we're going to have you in

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Speaker 1: studio with us tomorrow, believe too, So we're gonna have

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Speaker 1: a whole gang together for you guys.

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Speaker 4: All right, we'll see you then